Great Loco, Horrible Mechanism | Bachmann 3MT | Unboxing & Review
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0:00 Intro
3:28 Unboxing
7:13 Class History
8:32 Detailing
15:53 Mechanism
17:41 Performance
23:32 Haulage
27:38 Ratings
32:05 Conclusion - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
This is becoming a bit of a thing now. You either buy a loco with good detail or good mechanism, rarely do the two come together now. Thanks for the video, and keep up the hard work Sam!
Yeah I know! With prices going up all the time, it's crazy that manufacturers still aren't ticking every box!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
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Hattons sounds like the UK’s equivalent of ModelTrainStuff, over here in the US. Both seem to knock a big chunk off of the price of models; you can routinely find a model on MTS for over $100 less than the RRP.
Also: Good God, the loco is limping *even in the intro!*
The only caveat being that Hattons secondhand pricing is bloody ridiculous at the minute- they were selling a Network Rail HST pack, rather substantially damaged, for twice as much as a new HST pack! Coach prices also been through the roof on there, saw a load of Hornby Mk2s selling for a rather high amount
Yeah that's right Bennett - never a good idea to buy direct from a manufacturer... though Bachmann don't sell direct to the public. Still, there are retailers that sell at RRP, so got to be careful! Like all second hand sellers, you've got to watch what you buy! Some of Hatton's second hand pricing makes no sense at all, but other items are reasonable!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This is a perfect example of why Bachmann only thinks customers care about details and just wants to show their locomotives looking pretty on display. I genuinely believe that Bachmann purposely doesn’t want us to run their model trains because the mechanism is Bachmann’s typical comedy of errors.
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Yeah absolutely - I think you can say the same about other manufactures too! A vocal minority (on certain forums!) make such a fuss about detail and accuracy that manufacturers think this is what everyone cares about most... I've found that the opposite is true: the whole package matters! Detailing, quality, performance, mechanism, price are all equally important!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I think the unfortunate truth is that most of the time when a manufacturer makes a model never seen before, even if they intentionally make it bad and then proceed to completely over-price it (Bachmann) they hold a monopoly. Take for example the new W1, (whenever it comes) even if its bad its the only way to have a model of a W1 outside of kit-building. This is the reason why Hornby AND Bachmann both go after other smaller manufacturers who make models at a lower price and better quality, they know they will eventually lost that monopoly if other people start undercutting them at better quality.
If the manufacturers actually make them where they're supposed to make models instead of making them in China we wouldn't have quality problems.
@@mercuryoak2 I doubt manufacturing in China leads to a lot of these issues. Given how some of these are designed (especially the ones from Heljin), I doubt they'd be much better if they were manufactured within the UK/Europe/US/"where they're supposed to make models". It's more like the major companies trying to squeeze every cent they can out of their customers in order to maximize profits, and thus, maximize the money the shareholders make...
@@mercuryoak2 And where exactly DO you want them made? Its a FACT that the application of all the fiddly detail modellers demand (and Sam is so enthusiastic about) takes a skilled person (not an automated machine) to do it.
Even with significant wage increases in the past decade, skilled Labour costs (and note the bit about SKILLED, just paying the minimum won't cut it) are a fraction of what you would need to pay in Europe to attract people to do the same job.
You think prices are expensive now - its no joke to say that production in the UK could easily add £250 to the price tag of all models...
Thanks to this Channel, just bought my first loco off ebay (Terrier in SR livery) and picked up a Toad break van from my local model shop.
I have one of these. It too had tight spots as it ran which rather ruined it for me. But then, all of a sudden it started to run smoothly (it's on DCC). I can only assume that the "bearings" have settled in. I can't imagine that the cost of machining some housings and fitting bronze bearings would add more than a fiver to the cost. Although it's a theoretical improvement I'm not so sure that a 5-pole motor would necessarily make much difference because I have many 3-pole locos that run beautifully; I suspect that it actually comes down the build quality of the motor more than anything. But a flywheel should be a legal requirement if there's room! Oh, and you're right - it's an absolute stunner in the looks department.
Sorry to hear that Roger, glad that it started working properly after a while! We're not talking a fiver though for bearings... we're talking pence! As a consumer, I've bought that size roller bearings for £1 each... and they're made up of multiple parts with ball bearings inside. To produce what is basically a set of bronze shims... pence!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, just a suggestion for the future. Maybe you could give the loco its first run and then dismantle it to show the mechanism, and then run it in, just so that people don't say the reason it isn't running is that you broke it. I don't believe for one second that you break your locos when you dismantle them, but I know there are some people out there who think it is you instead of the poor mechanism. Sorry if I sound like i'm having a go at you, I don't mean to, I only said this so you don't have to put up with any more people complaining.
Imagine a loco that is the perfect blend of Bachmann detail and Hornby performance. Wouldn't that be the dream? Honestly, I find there to be no excuse for Bachmann to producing these knockoff mechanisms when they're main competitor can produce such amazing ones by comparison, especially for the prices they're asking nowadays. Also, for the love of god, add some bearings, I can't imagine they cost much and can do wonders for a models well-being and longevity.
Sometimes, I really miss the old Triang x04 motors. May not be up to modern standards, but they were sturdy, reliable, and really only needed the motor brushes replacing every so often when they wore out. Only time I needed a motor replacement on my Triang L1 4-4-0 was when the motor unwound, a very rare occurrence. Other than that, the loco has provided stalwart performance for me for close to 10 years now.
As always, enjoyed your video, keep up the good work, and let's hope Bachmann really gets their act together soon with regards to their mechanisms. :)
Sam, you should try a Roco German tank loco - you will be impressed! Second hand models can be picked up at reasonable prices. Quality and performance way above Hornby/Bachmann
Kader Group, parent of Bachmann: the other model train company that knows how to leave their customers with mixed emotions.
haha they certainly do!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam I think you may have to look in the manual which comes in the box, it says this is not a toy and shouldn’t be run on carpet! Take note 😉
To confirm, this is the old bachmann 3mt tank. So anyone sad thinking it's the new one is wrong. The new one is having a retool so it can get rid of the issues this one has.
Good review of a glass case classic from Bachmann. Have you tried shunting this model over points in reverse? I find on mine it always details when shunting rolling stock. Does your model have a V-shaped notch in the rear coupling assembly? On mine, that's is the cause of problems. Would you describe this loco as a curate's egg (good in parts)? Thanks for uploading.
Thanks for your great model train reviews....they are so in depth and thoughtful. Much appreciated Sam. 😃👍🌟
This is the thing now doesn't matter how much you spend the quality of model trains is so hit and miss its hard to know what to buy. I'm glad reviewers like Sam exist because it gives us modellers an informed review for how locomotives run and look so we can make an informed choice. It's a pity you didn't get the arm c38 through hornby wouldve been good to see a review before I bought it lol
Appreciate the channel, thank you. You referred to a better 2-6-2 from Bachmann on the inside track but I didn’t catch name. What was it please?
Hi sam fun fact: i think thats the inspiration for arthur from thomas and friends if im right
I love the standard 3 and have 2 myself. Haven't had any problems with mine (both a few years old), they are both decent runners so think you might have a dud?
Hi Sam my Hornby railroad tornado has stopped working and become a free roller even though it is loco driven how do you recommend I fix it
Thank you Sam for, once again, a seemingly very thorough, considered review. As everyone seems to be saying, a well finished but seriously marred loco -again!
Well done on your scores!
Tim
Great review Sam . Could you change the motor and fit bearings to see if it runs better and make video of the overhaul?
A video from Sam!!!! Time for a bathroom break so I can watch it! Yaaaaay!
It was one of these locos that taught me what lubricating Bachmann 3 pole motors does.
Beforehand it worked really well (second hand, so could have been worn in a lot), but as soon as it was lubricated things started going wrong. Every time I start it, it does that puff of smoke you mentioned you had randomly alongside poor running that needs pushing and nurturing, before running fine for the rest of the running session. It's getting better, so hopefully it will reach a full recovery in good time (before the lack of bearings kill it anyway that is)
Do you plan to do a review on the Bachmann Caledonian 812 when it's released?
It's a good job you're here to review models and separate the good from the bad. Bargain prices always raise suspicion for me since there's normally something wrong with a model for the price to be reduced. Great video sam :)
Thank you so much! Bargain prices don't necessarily mean there's something wrong with a model... they're usually a result of unsold stock. There can be many reasons for lack of sales... poor quality being just one of them!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thanks Sam. I was wondering if you could help me out. I received an email Etsy asking me to review my Uncle Fredrikson's Amazing Balancing Coaches. Unfortunately I haven’t received them. Is there anyway to check in them. Thanks.
Here is a idea. Maybe use your improving 3D printing knowledge to try and improve a mechanism on a Locomotive. Start small maybe. Then try and improve some larger ones.
Great idea! That would be fun one day! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam I've been a viewer for a long time now and u have inspired me to build my own model railway.
Bye the way. Can you do another shunting challenge with the class E2 and the standard3
Just brought a Bachman diesel 03. Interested to see what you say about those. I’ve mixed opinions so far
Hey Sam I have suggestion could you maybe do some Chuggington Bachmann models?
good review. good to see you on the Hornby documentary onTV 's 'Yesterday' keep up the good work!
What about the standard class 4 don’t you have one of those
Cool review of the BR Standard Class 3MT tank by Bachmann Sam 👍👍
In my opinion, I find that the Class 3MTs are sandwich locos in between the Standard Class 2MT & 4MT tanks as it has 2-6-2 wheel arrangement & bunker from 2MT and the front end of the running plate is from the 4MT.
Hi Sam again love the videos. I’ve got a question for you would you do a video on pricing of locomotives and rolling stock . I understand cheap models(ie £30ish to £100) & expensive models (£150ish to £200) but The but the grey area is a little confusing . It would be a much easier to understand in purchasing what an okay-ish model. hopefully that makes a bit of sense thanks
I was watching the video, and noticed the dome was slightly off from the body. Not sure if that is an error or part of the real engine but am just pointing it out. 10:17 it was at
I bought one of these last year to replace a Hornby S15 I dumped after the third motor with fourth TTC decoder failed. My MT3 also failed to run properly so I did what I wish all modellers would do, sent it back!! The replacement was tons better and improved after running in ( no smoke) . I ran on dc for a while without motor issues before investing in DCC sound and it is currently one of the quietest (sound off!) sweetest locos I have.
The 82045 Trust is actually creating a new-build locomotive that just happens to be a Standard class 3MT Tank! It's a real shame they were all scrapped by the end of BR.
It's a beautifully detailed thing and lovely in BR black. Those square bearings always put my teeth on edge. Hopefully whatever is binding up in the mechanism will wear smooth and it will stop it's lurching motion.
The Ivatt you refer to is a class 2....Riddles did a std2 tank based on that design ...
The std 3 did take influence from the GWR prairies, similar boiler for example.
Yes indeed Matt - that's the one!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam so cool to see you on the tv in the ad for hornby on yesterday channel
I've got one of these. I did find that it took a long time to run in, and it had a few hiccups during that process, but once it was done I found that mine ran really smoothly. The mechanism just needs a long time to iron out the kinks.
Hiya Sam, was watching Hornby: A model world on Monday and was pleasantly surprised to see you conduct an experiment (what else). Did Hornby get in touch with you? How did you react? Amazing as always!
Regards
haha thank you so much! Nah - the production company got in touch! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Yes, I saw it too. Sam the Speed King! Lol.
They’re gorgeous locomotives!! The design is Ivat and it’s based on the Great Western Large Prairie. It’s a beautiful locomotive, and you have all sorts of parts that you might wish to fit.
Hey Sam. It looked to me like the port side valve gear was all out of alignment so I was not surprised that it didn't run. Cheers, Dan.
This sure is a great model indeed!
Bravo Sam Bravo!
Great review Sam, I do like the standard 3 tanks but I do prefer the 4's, the good news is the 3 rebuild is coming along nicely and should be completed soon! -TheImperialDiamondSpinosaurus
The new build BR standard 3MT tank is 82045 and it’s currently being built at Bridgnorth on the Severn Valley Railway.
This locomotive sounds like the complete opposite of the Class V3 2-6-2T you reviewed about a week ago. Maybe you could put the chassis from the V3 under the body of the 3MT?
I purchased one of these ages ago but mine has been professionally re numbered as a limited edition model by the group who are rebuilding the new build version at the Severn Valley Railway. The new build real version of loco will be in BR green.
Hi Sam, I have precisely the same model - actually right alongside me (I have several 'on show' alongside where I vegetate watching the TV, which I rotate).
It is absolutely one of my favourites - performance has always been good, and got better, and always very smooth.
Crawl is very smooth and slow, up to quite a reasonable speed - very prototypical.
Mine is as smooth as nearly any bushed Hornby locomotive - aside the 56 running at the moment which is beyond virtually anything!!
She can haul the 13x bogie TEA crude oil tanker train of Bachmann carriages I have on my layout currently without any major issues.
Any smoke on the motor I'd be careful - perhaps previous owner (purchased new or 'good used'?) over-oiled it?
Perhaps a little running in is required, but I'd be careful of that motor. Mine's VERY consistent and has none of the problems you mention.
Gave mine the kiss of death!!
Never done it before, but started moving slowly then wisps of smoke. Now inconsistently transitioning between slow and normal - weird.
I removed from operational duty and when able will investigate - just found a screw between the sleepers - perhaps ... not happy!
Al.
Hi Sam, Good review, Why is it things look nice and don't work as good, All the Best Brian 🤗😎
Hi Sam for my birthday I got a Hornby Duchess of Sutherland and a Hornby Burton Hall and a LMS brake van and a Triang convertor horse box wagon and unfortunately the Hall class is a poor runner it runs but it wobbles terribly but my Duchess of Sutherland runs OK Considering she is tender driven
I have a question, not about Bachman but about the company PIKO. Does anyone know if their models are good quality? Their prices are quite low and would be perfect for my beginner track
I have had a few PIKO locos for a few years now and they run OK. Their prices are low because they are in the former East Germany and used to be the only model trains available on the other side of the iron curtain. Their prices are getting up to match other German model train mfrs now.
Wouldn't it be nice if all those DCC fitters and weathering expert companies could offer a mechanism upgrade service. Add bearings and change to 5 pole motor with if room fit a flywheel would be very popular.
I agree!! Unfortunately it's very involved though... machining slots for bearings just isn't a practical thing to do unfortunately! That said, I'm finally working on a way to replace the motors in these and the results so far have been amazing... video in the works! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
No doubt a lovely loco! Personally my favourite class but the mechanism is a shame, but I can't wait to see 82045 completed!
Sam, you say the fine detail is flimsy this must be inevitable if it is to be fine scale the only way to make the detail sturdy is to make it clumsy and out of scale. I also note you often pick up on the seam line along the top of the boiler. I suggest you look at some images of the prototype this is where the cladding sheets join in full size creating a joint just like the seam on the model so not sure you are being altogether fair with your criticism.
To an extent that's true - but details such as the steps can be made much more robust by being part of the diecast chassis/running plate! Same with other details... not all models are this fragile! Cladding lines are sometimes visible on the real thing... but they're far more subtle than this, and they shouldn't be visible on the chimney and firebox, surely?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
That Mechanism quality looks like belongs under the LNER V3 you reviewed a couple of days ago. Shame this one didn't have the same quality chassis as the V3.
Hi sam
My fairburn tank by Bachmann is nice looking
Can't do second radius
In my opinion does need an updated tooling
Looks nice
Opening smoke box door is point less in my opinion
Tar for sharing your findings
Keep safe arp
I have 30 locos on my layout, diesel and steam. None of the steam locos are Bachmann. Can anyone guess why?
Thanks for this review Sam. I have one of these on pre-order due in June (BR Black Late Crest Weathered). Having second thoughts now. Will inspect the hell out of it in the shop and run in well before using it on the layout. FYI the RRP is now £180.00. I have the Bachmann 2MT tank and it runs fine. Maybe the latest ones have an improved mechanism?
This is the old 3mt tank. So the new one won't be like this old one.
A rather striking contrast to the bachmann V3 you reviewed a while ago, perhaps put the body of this one on the V3 chassis and have a perfect bachmann loco?
One of its problems might have been over lubrication. That slowing down during the running in followed by a puff of smoke and then speeding up again sounds like what my Triang locos used to do when I was too liberal with the 3in1 when I was a kid. Once it got hot from running, the excess oil in the motor burnt off and after that it ran as normal.
Hi Sam, The tooling for this model is over ten years old. - may explain the lack of bearings and the three pole motor.
At least you didn't take the lights out with this one, so funny on that Hornby programme the other night with the scale speed record, just the sort of daft thing I would do. 🚂😂
Hilarious! I have the same model, currently languishing in my scrap box. The lurching continued until the valve gear decided to unravel...Trivia alert; back in 1964 I got a cab ride in a 3MT on the 'Kenny Belle' from Clapham Junction, and it stayed in one piece! Such a shame about the 3MT; they were a common sight on ECS duties to and from Clapham Junction and Waterloo, and have always been a favourite design. Bachmann can get it right; I have a couple of fairly ancient LondonTransport-liveried 57XX panniers which perform quietly and flawlessly; likewise the H2 Atlantic and one or two others. That being said Hornby aren't perfect either!
Thanks Sam, and congratulations on your elevation to TV stardom!
Feels like most of the models you review are made to be set pieces instead of active models. They look the part, but with such awful mechanisms and at eye-watering prices, you have to wonder why they bothered at all.
Hi Sam. Was it my imagination or was there a lot of slippage on the driving wheels?
Have you considered replacing the garbage motor with an aftermarket 5 pole? Not that you should have to, but a loco as detailed as that needs a lot more love than Bachmann gave it.
As you will notice, the locomotive modelled was made in Swindon, the home of the Great Western Railway. The Ivatt design is based on the Great Western Large Prairie locomotive, IN THE FACTORY FROM WHICH THE FATHER CAME.
My grandad has 2 of these and one of them is a superb runner and the other is not so good it performs similar to yours with almost no torque and runs very slowly at 60/70% speed. I love the look of the engine and the one that runs well has amazing pulling power because they are weighty little things.
Great video and I’m glad it’s not just him that has the same issue.
Cheers Dan :)
Thanks for sharing Dan - yes it seems inconsistency is definitely a thing... every time I slate a Bachmann loco for it's mechanism, some people tell me theirs are the same, and others tell me theirs run perfect. It seems to guarantee good running every time, a quality mechanism is needed!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains such a shame their mechanisms are like that because if they were quality they would be all round good locos!
Arthur
Remember though that Stanier was a Great Western man, utilising GWR features such as a Belpaire firebox with a taper boiler etc. Ivatt in turn basing his designs largely on Stanier's. Just as one can say that the ubiquitous Black Five can trace it's roots all the way back to the Hall Class. Great video Sam! Cheers, Joachim
Yeah that's very true - the Hall is a great example of that!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Never had an issue with the 3 of mine. Strong, dependable and consistent. Not sure where you bought this one but none of mine had/have the issues youre trying to put across.
It's the same old wolf in sheep's clothing here Sam. Beautiful on the outside, rotten on the inside. I would have given it only two stars for performance, in all seriousness. I won't bore you with all the mechanical shortcomings as you have mentioned them all anyway. A good looking dud. Best, Pete.
I think it was more of a sheep in wolf's clothing!
Once I get my last paycheck from my current job, and my first paycheck from my new job, I'm gettin' a ET44 (though I'm modeling 1940's Southern Pacific, I still have a modern collection). I was wondering if you'd be interested in a model aswell, as paying for the two engines from the manufacture will knock a few dollars off the total. I am personally getting BNSF, however, I'm thinking of sending you (at my cost, because my new job pays that well) Norfolk Southern, since it has direct ties to the Southern Railway, of which you seem very interested in. I know I don't have to, but you kinda need something that's a bit more modern than the 50's in you're collection too.
KEEPIT UP SAM!
How is it going with the 3DPrinting sj rc6 loco?
haha not looked into that - but I'd love to one day! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains ok can you plz do it before christmas
SAM you were on Hornby a model world this week!!!!!
I've been reading from my F.B groups about failing locomotives, points and other electronics. New doesn't mean good and it concerns me because I have to import my locomotives so if they are crap it costs to replace/return it. Good review Sam 👍but looks dosen't make a locomotive go. I've just bought a Bachmann class 24 from AJM Railways so I'm hoping the thing will work.
How about an "Upgrade" of this loco, 5 pole with flywheel and real brass bearings ?
Hi Sam,
I would appreciate an in depth report on the politics and history behind the various controversies between manufacturers and retailers, as hinted at in several of your reviews. Preferably illustrated with affected locomotives and rolling stock.
I'm unable to go into it in detail sadly, as much of what I've been told was off the record and unverified! :(
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Nice engine. CHEERS FROM OVER SEAS UNITED STATES 🇺🇸
Looks like a mix of an E2 and a fowler class 4p
Well done Sam.
Good viewing as usual 👍🏻
I love the Standard class 3 as it was Triang's first standard tank, R59. It is a shame the .mechanism lets this one down again.
A fair trial, I just wish I'd seen this before I bought mine, also at a "discount", (but glad it was). Mine seemed to perform great on its running in , but only on left hand curves. A really horrible clunking on the right hander!. I did spot a slightly bent hanger on the rear of the slides (which should be vertical , one is, one isn't) so I'm not sure if this contributes. Now the second of two of my Bachmanns that you have reviewed (the other is the 4MT) and scored poorly,: and the same problems on both of my locos. I won't be buying another until I've checked your reviews first. Choo choo
Hi Sam might be a bit late commenting on this for a reply lol but, I'm super anxious about buying Bachmann cos of very high prices and poor mechanisms, could you do a top 5 best and worst Bachmann mechanisms video one day? They look beautiful but I want my models to work!!
Is this the new bachmann 3mt tank?
I believe it's the latest model yes! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
“Arthur is it just me or did you gain a little weight?”
Sam 3d print idea, make express coaches good enough to go behind your favorite express steam loco they have to be of your own design and have working corridor connections along with having an interior
Having watched you repair dead and moldy, it would be interesting to see you take a new loco, and without buying/replacing parts, turn it into a “runner.”
Hopefully Bachmann gives these things' mechanisms a much needed upgrade to match the external details.
Nice to see you on tv 👍
Hi Sam. Talking of issues not addressed in reviews: there seems to be damage to the running plate above the cylinders on the lefthand side of the model. It looks as though it had been attacked with a rasp file!
Hi Sam, my father would have called this "a big lantern with a tiny light". Well what's in the name... we all know: It's what is inside ! And you demonstrated this again. Keep out fingers crossed that - maybe - one day Bachmann will produce decent loco's, nice looking, good performers and for a reasonable price. Until then I pass my way on any of their products. Thanks for sharing. Cheers, Filip
The N gauge version is rather nice too....had my BR green one for a good while now
Very cool Matt - would love to see that! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I legitimately don't remember a review of yours where there was a Bachmann loco that actually ran well. Which sucks for me because I've decided my next Loco is gonna be a GWR Pannier tank and Bachmann makes up the majority of the listings I find :/
The Bachmann Midland Blue Pullman is a tour de force. Even Hornby salute that model.
Hopefully, their new V2 will be a bit special; hopefully 🤞
However, their inconsistency model to model means they have poor engineering standards &/or development quality control. Dapol are similar.
It must have been a big honour being on Hornby: A Model World on Monday.
It certainly was!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The opening smokebox door….. it looks like the detail behind it misses the space of the actual smokebox and starts straight with the boiler tubeplate. Pretty pants if that is the case.
It’s such a beautiful detailed loco…..nice and heavy too. How much trouble and cost would be involved to simply re power it? For the price you paid you could remove the old motor and add bearings to the chassis…..now you’ve got a great loco. I know that no one should have to do this on any loco but….you’ve bought it so make it better.
Maybe do the test run out of the box first before you pull the mechanism apart ? - crawled nicely after a few runs back and fourth
Good review.