Seiko Showdown: SPB455 and SPB451 vs. First Generation - Which Reigns Supreme?
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Love the date window at 4:30!!
Perfect colorway. Chef's kiss.
I got my sbdc053 for $670 US, 6years ago, still have it at the moment. At this current price point, lots of competition with better movement and less qc issues. I do give seiko credit for beautiful original designs but I hope they also focus on their qc issues.
The blue looks stunning! I may pull the trigger on that one
I agree, it's such a great shade of blue...but then again, that black one looks awesome as well.
Blue one looks amazing
blue is my
🤩 Great video. Thanks for spotting details others had missed and taking such HQ shots 🙏
My pleasure 😊
Thanks for the content. When I hear that music, I know it’s about to get good.
haha HYPE!
Thanks for Sharing the new Seiko 👍
I much prefer the date placement on the new version. Looks great without cutting into the lume.
Thanks for the in-depth overview of these new Seiko 63MAS divers. They do look more refined and could have more comfort on the wrist.
That blue one is sweet! I’d probably go for the MM200 GMT first at this price point, but I’d love to pick up that blue 63MAS at some point
The blue is mesmerizing....
Good review! The “3 Days” on the dial is not necessary
for real. makes it sound like we are kids. "dont forget, its 3 days power reserve kids!" ....smh..
Just like orient putting water resistant on all their dials. It's a basic feature that doesn't need to take up real estate to describe.
For me it's okay. don't forget *chronometer certified" on some Swiss watch. Those look great for me .
@@Apex_Apeq chronometer has more flex than biden remembering what to say on stage...
I love the secret measurement “poink” sound lol 😅
Blue or black is a must for me
The title says 63mas, perhaps you should fix that ;) On-topic: I got my SPB453 a couple of days ago and it is an improvement over the 143 in every way. The dial looks much cleaner with the added hour marker and the date window is barely noticeable. The '3 days' on the dial is unnecessary, but if you ask me, so is 'Chronometer Officially Certified', which uses much more dial space. The date and three days text seem to be a dealbreaker for many, and I can understand that these features seem prominent if you are only looking at pictures or macro shots. When you are actually handling the watch, you barely notice either. The bracelet and clasp still leave a lot to be desired at this price point so I cant wait for an aftermarket bracelet or perhaps I should just get an Artem sailcloth. Love the upgrades Seiko!
Congrats. And i like the date at 4:30 a lot. W/o the index at 3,a watch looks stupid to me.
Good review as usual ! Thanks
I hope Seiko will upgrade the captain willard same way with 6R55, 4:30 date and 300m WR
I really like your reviews always watch until the very end, very neat and detailed. Only one thing keeps me away from mid range 62 mas watches is 6R35 movement, with it's weird unpredictable accuracy. Hope they do well with this movement, and could finally compete with mid range Swiss 80 powermatic movement in terms of stability and accuracy.
I have an SPB297 and i love It. These are very very nice, a definite improvement
Great to hear!
Is the accuracy still horrible?
I am looking forward to trying this on in person. I sold my SPB143, lovely watch but wore too large on my wrist. The SJE is just dang spendy or I'd go for that.
I've had bad experience with the 6R35 and 6R54 movements. They just randomly decide to go out of spec (by a huge margin). I'm talking about one to two minutes off a day. I don't think I can trust this one either... So far the SLA models have been good to me, and one day I might try an SJE.
Same deal for me after ~3 years of ownership with my SPB. I picked up the SJE093 but still have my SPB, which I got serviced.
Maybe the 3 days on the dial of this one refers to how often you have to set the time.
These are so nice! Hard to decide between the special edition and the blue
the special edition is really special in the flesh. Looks so great in all light! the scuba blue is very dark and can look like a black watch at times.
@@EscapementWatch Damn you...You make me want both ..Off the record ..I'm actually picking up the navigator GMT tomorrow..I know it's over priced ..But man I just have to have it..🤣
Navigator gmt is awesome! congrats ahead of time!
Your reviews are always very detailed. Difference if any between spb239 and this new guilt model.
Hi sir. I'm your fan. Please make a comparison video between bb58 & spb455. I have a bb 58. and just thought about buying this spb 455 because it looks more interesting with the case design and the color. Thanks a lot sir. ❤
For me, the small round date window at 4:30 is a disqualifier.
Thanks for your review. You always do a great job.
Really? if you live with it its well hidden you hardly notice it. But I get it! thanks for watching
Previously owning the Sinn 556 and marathon MSAR, the window isn’t noticeable unless you look for it. Especially after the first week on wrist
@@Not-a-bot222 yep...I have a hard time even noticing it in the video unless I look for it.
I think people just over react about it just because it is a new think. I don't find any problem with this location
No matching date wheel with the dial on the special edition is a pity
So is the caseback essentially the same height but with a flat kanagawa wave logo?
I also noticed the chamfered and polished bezel edge from earlier press shots, really helps to outline the watch.
Thank you for doing this; very informative. Am I weird for liking the date aperture location and shape?😃
nope its 50/50 from what I have read so far
Picked up a amzwatch's watch as my first watch last month and I’m absolutely in love with it. Perfect size, looks elegant, very comfortable. Now my only problem is holding off from buying more watches so quickly!
forget it u are lost 😁
Nice old vintage look,very good and nice watch
thanks for this quality review of this magnificent watch.
Thanks to you, i understand the weight of this watch on the tropic is 94g 🙂
168g with the bracelet is too heavy to be comfy for me.
Glad it was helpful!
If I was looking for a straight up dive watch the blue is very good.
have they managed to line up the bezels on this one? I have the 147 62MAS and the lume pip settles about .5 mm passed 12 o'clock - annoying
realy cool watch and realy cool review... nice pictures and the comparativ lumes is apreciable... lot of youtubers forget to show the lume.... and on a diver watch is a non sens !!
Thanks for watching!
you're awesome dude, thanks
No problem!
Beautiful watch, especially in blue ! "3 days" on the dial can go, as well as "divers" Just "300 metres" would have looked better imo, preferrably in red (the non fading type of paint please :) ). Oh, and a red tipped second hand, now we're at it !
Sticking diver's on clarifies that it's iso tested. 300m without divers doesn't really mean anything.
02:39 From this angle the hour marker does not align with the minute marker @ 1200 thats kinda biggie :(
Seiko made it abundantly clear that they don't give a hoot about QC on these mid to low end models.
@@tilio9380 now that is a problem, since even a 100 dollar skagen watch aligns perfectly, if not, they take it back
I own a Seiko LX titanium spring drive, Omega Seamaster, and Damasko dk32 submarine steel hardened case. The movement on the Seiko 63mas is satisfactory, but I am concerned about its accuracy. Anyway, great video
For that price you should get applied indexes.
They apply indices on cheaper watches, SEIKO do this to eliminate the risk of indices from falling off under the stresses of Pro diving.
Good video and review! I like the new release.
Curious if the uncle seiko bracelet for my SPB147 would fit this. I’m sure someone will try it soon enough.
I'm guessing it wont fit.
Definitely needed another low beat rate high dollar watch that’s almost identical to the previous ones they’ve put out.
I'm really liking the black and blue and not sure which I'd pick...definitely not the gilt though. I can't wait for that fad to disappear
It's not a fad, gilt dials have been around for quite some time
Ok. I have the SPB143 which I love. Great review . Do I need to this watch?????
Since you love the 143 already no need.
Would love the 143 in this size with the slimmer shorter link bracelet, but 3 micro adjust.
Thanks for the review! Agree the cheap stamped sheet metal bracelet extension has to go
You bet!
@@EscapementWatch What will uncle Seiko come up with is the question..His jubilee completely changed my 143
Removing the 3 days, X logo & the date at 4:30, put it at 3 or just remove it at all
I think a Pagani design will match with u
@@Apex_Apeq with me? What do you mean?
I thought the original 1965 diver was the 62mas, not the 63mas? When did the 63mas come out?
63mas came out with SPB149 when I made a video about it years ago. The reasoning: the original 62mas uses its first to numbers in its movement to for the name. and 6R35 was just released back then so I said 63 as its the first 2 numbers. The only watch I call 62 mas are the reissues of the 62mas and the original.
@EscapementWatch Thanks for the clarification. There are too many "mas" references for my taste. I consider them all reinterpretations of the original 62mas, including the SPB453 I just purchased.
Its really just 62MAS for faithful remakes and 63MAS for modern reinterpretations.
I have ALL the iterations of the previous version, and have just got the SPB455. The very small changes to the watch head dimensions are surprisingly noticeable on the wrist, it does wear a little smaller, is a tad more comfortable on my 7.5" wrist and the bracelet is definitely an improvement. No mention on the Seiko website or your review of a 'super hard coating' on the case, I believe most of the the previous versions did. Any info on that?
Yes it has dia Shield coating. I put it in the measurements section when I did the diameter
@@EscapementWatch Sorry, didn't see that. Doh! Thank you for replying.
Ok I just checked the link for the proof picture and for some reason the watchmaker took down his photo's of the escape wheel and pallet fork. He posted last year in May and I thought it would always be up. No idea why he edited his post and deleted it. BUTTTTTTT you can see the 1st commenter saying, "Thanks for sharing. Precision part manufacturing to the tolerances seiko achieve with MEMS is amazing tech." One day when another watchmaker posts pics I'll update the link. sorry guys.
It’s okay, I believe you! Back to watching Godzilla Minus One, Japan is killing it lately !
looks good!
I'm very tempted by these although I've heard that there's a 30th anniversary skx in the pipeline. I'm very interested learning the level of spec for this.
From tmwc or anyone else?
@@pk1342
Only Russell tmwc .
what is tmwc, a new leak source? as for a new skx I've been hearing about it but could be just rumors. It came out in 96 right so 2026 30 year? I can see that happening. Seiko always looking for an anniversary excuse to make a watch.
@@EscapementWatch I haven't seen any reputable leak source about an SKX but there was a video from the mad watch collector recently speculating about an SKX 30th anniversary reinterpration - I was wondering if this is what OP was referring to.
ahh ok
So is the l2l 46.4, or 47.4?
watch the video my man! I show dimensions for both old and new full details.
@EscapementWatch i did watch it, brother. You said 46.4mm but on the screen it said 47.4mm. Ill rewatch it, maye i made a mistake.
Sorry for the confusion. The list that pops up on the top left says "last gen measurements" so you guys can compare. but the moving animation with watch in hand is the new one: 46.4mm. Last generation is 47.5mm @4:30 (previous generations full measurements) Hope that clears it up.
@EscapementWatch yeah, my fault. Great review brother, as always 👍
Thanks for watch appreciate you long time subs.
The hour hands doesnt align perfectly with the marker😫, when the minute hits 60min mark the hour hand is a bit late by 1-2 minute.
Great video. Really appreciate the detailed comparison and on-screen graphics!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Price ain't the same anymore. The main questions here is, is it still worth it to buy a seiko, when you have a lot of microbrands with better value.
that is a personal decision. Some people value Seiko's heritage and will be willing to pay more.
Great review as usual
I appreciate that
Beautiful watches in person. But yea, come on Seiko, the stamped clasp and diver extension remain awful!
The clasp looks fully milled. The divers extension is stamped
Dont think so on the clasp, but I could be wrong :)
I wish I knew more about watches. A local jewelry store that I’ve been a patron for decades just started selling Seiko Prospex watches. The cheapest one is about $2400. But the Dillards at the mall has some a lot cheaper -$500-$700. The most expensive one on Seiko’s website is about $1000. I’ve looked at other places online too and found the same disparity. Why such a huge difference? What am I missing?
different Seiko tiers. SLA or SJE references are the upper end 2k+ with superior finish on the inside and case. Also, the movements are a tier above. SPB reference is this one in this video and is mid-tier. And SRPE is lower end. Its more complicated but that should help you start.
2:38 Are the hands not both pointing exactly at 12?
yes it looks like a hair off. But interestingly when I go to 1-2minutes pasted 12 you can see the hour hand tip then passes 12. Could be an illusion of the handset (half polish half brushed)
backward wiggle on the bezel still exist on this new version :(
Good details.
I hate the round date aperture and its placement. A 6 o’clock or 3 o’clock date window would be fine. The 4:30 sucks
Couldn’t disagree more! Such a delicate and mindful placement, totally melds into the dial. I hate 3 and 6!
I read the link about MEMS but it seems some portions were deleted? It doesn't state MEMS there
Yes it's very strange he deleted his photos. But you can see the post he created the tags are 6 r35 service and mems. And the first commenter saying wow Seiko can achieve so much precision with mems thank you for sharing. It was posted last year and I did see them they were very crude memes technology it wasn't like the grand Seiko pallet fork and escape wheel quality wise. I did not have rights to the photo so I couldn't post it I should have just saved it on my computer
I think its size is better than spb143 but unfortunately it looks cheaper. Previous 62mas reissues look much more elegant.
No I have a 147 and a 451 the 451 feels of higher quality and better finished, except if you are the type to equate heft and weight with quality, then the previous generation is better.
Thumbs up for your video. As with the subject of the video... I'm still not sold on the new 6R55 movement. And, your explanation that it is essentially the same as the previous 6R35 is not encouraging.
The current state of the 6R movements and the poor clasp with ugly dive extension which is useless for nearly all of us as well as restricting good articulation of the bracelet to rest flat when placed on a table top all make me hold off from any Seiko dive watch purchases until they satisfactorily address both.
I might have been inclined to spend significantly more to go with the new Marine Master with 6L movement. BUT, the same crappy clasp situation will hold me back. I want the COMPLETE package from Seiko divers. Plenty of other watches to enjoy until then... If that day will ever come.
Do you know if the bracelet on the SPB143 fits these models?
I'm not 100% sure but due to the lug to lug being different it probably won't fit
Great review.
Thanks!
Thanks, nice review ! that date window , yikes
이번 나온 제품중에서 포인트는 두꼐를 0.5 줄여지면서 디자인은 얇아지면서 오히려 방수 스펙은 200mm에서 300mm 으로 올려진점에서 좋은방향의 디자인 진보라 생각됩니다. 다이버지만 일상 생활에서 착용을 추구하는 디자인을 추구하는 방향으로 두께는 얇야지고 무게를 감소함으로써 착용감을 개선했다는 점에서 좋다고 생각합니다. 그리고 거기에에 방수 300mm 로 견딜수 있게 만들진점이 좋다고 생각됩니다. 차도 마찬가지로 엔진의 다운사이징을 만드는것 이 더 어렵다는걸 생각해봐야 할것 같습니다. 외형은 줄이면서 스펙을 늘리는 작업 쉽지많은 않다고 생각됩니다. 기존 SPB143 한국 가격이지만 206만원 거기에 이번 모델은 222만원으로 책정되었습니다. 불과 16만원 상승입니다. 만들어진 디자인 스펙에 비하면 과하지 않다고 생각됩니다.
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Hi! I watched this video because I got a SPB143 and I love it. I am wondering which watch is on your wrist in this video??? Best regards
In the intro I'm wearing Grand Seiko Kishun (SBGW283)
@@EscapementWatch THX a lot! This one looks great too! I'm not so much into colored dials except black and champaign, but this light blue is really nice!
Beautiful watch! Don’t understand all the hate.
Its a Seiko so naturally it is hated.
Annoying they wont go with a date at 6 or just a no date variant.
Btw does this still have a diashield coating that gives the metal a warmer hue?
It's unlikely that they will make one without date given that the S in 62MAS comes from "Selfdater", as in, with a date complication.
I actually like the date (and generally hate 4:30 date windows). I have a Slim Turtle and in person it is very discreet. I think they made the change to be ISO compliant, as you know must have lume plots at every hour.
@@joshn.5625 Agreed. The black variant this release is the best one to my eyes as it makes the date window discreet. Hard to unsee in the other colors however
I love where the date is, better than having it at 3 or 6 o'clock.. Like other watches. Iv got older version & very happy with it 😊 + still no scratches thx to dia-shield coating. (if u don't want a date, buy black bay 58)
little steps in refinement, giant step on price~ 😅
I have a 6.5 wrist. Which watch do u think wears better on your 6.5 wrist: spb455 or spb187?
spb455 for sure
날짜창의 위치 변경은 이렇게 생각됩니다. ISO 인증을 위해 3시 방향의 작은 인덱스 야광을 개선하기 위해 4시 방향으로 빠지면서 3시 인덱스를 크기를 키움으로써 야광을 개선을 하다보니 부득이하게 4시 와 5시 사이로 위치를 바꾸었을거라 생각됩니다.
Good review! 👍
Glad you liked it
When they release the grey without the faux patina on a bracelet, as a true SPB143 replacement, I'll really be interested.
they will...as a limited edition and 500 more 😀
Is the secret measurement and therefore dial size any different to the previous generation?
I believe they are the same. But I'm not 100% confirmed.
@@EscapementWatch did you ever do a secret measurement of the previous gen?
i dont think i was doing it back then, sorry
What SLA model is it in the beginning of the video???
It looks mostly like SLA073 but fully black dial with Marine master name right under Seiko logo... what could that be??? Please help to find exact ref!
Oh that is the new SLA Marinemaster coming soon stay tuned.
@EscapementWatch thanks for a hint! I've found announced model) Please ask Seiko to release exact design in Titanium. It wold be a genius hit of the market!!! Seiko need it to close losses of LX Line.
Could you share the MEMS proof again? The link doesn’t show anything.
Yeah the post was deleted I should have took a screenshot. But once more start getting serviced there will be more photos online.
@@EscapementWatch thank you for the reply!👍👍
Hi, which one is better Seiko SPB451 or Longines Hydroconquest L3.781.4.96.6?
Hydro
I still prefer the older model (only 1st gen as they dont have hideous lume on minute track at 3), i cant stand the date at 4.30 and what they brag about 3 days pr. Its a must buy for me if no date and just written “automatic 300m” cuz damn they look good. 😂
This is only a small bump in price over the cheaper $1000 Citizen Promaster Fujitsubo Automatic diver watch. While that Citizen watch has a decent titanium bracelet it looks and feels cheap compared to this more expensive Seiko Watch. That gorgeous blue dial is what I really like with this Seiko diver watch. I would only buy one of these new these new Seiko 63MAS divers if I could get a decent discount.
Shock proof/resistant?....i need this kind of watch
2:39 I have had a previous generation 63MAS with the same hand alignment issue. Seiko QC is just straight up laughable at this point.
the blue is my
iam waiting only for autumn with special price
I wish I could have one but I'm poor and can't have one but I'm still going to get a plastic watch 😢
Wish there were proper matte versions of these - and the proof I’m not alone is the bajillions of photos that hide the reflections on both the blue & black versions.
I blame you reviewers for years of constantly banging on about “gorgeous sunburst” dials when really what everyone wants is deep matte dials & bezels that absorb every reflection from a 20 mile radius ;)
They only build what sells! Reviewers especially me with ZERO INFLUENCE are not to blame. Blame your fellow watch enthusiasts. I love sunray dials hoping seiko adds it to the new marinemasters. :) But I also love matte dials(not many can do this well without looking cheap) Squale just made a beauty go check it out.
@@EscapementWatch I looked up the Squale but it just illustrates how good Seiko is at designing simple but gorgeous dials.
Tudor also know what sells. There’s no way an SPB with a matte finish wouldn’t fly off the shelves. The reason so many people photograph them without the reflections (probably without even realising it) is obviously because they prefer that aesthetic.
I think reviews count for a lot more than you think. Not individually, but collectively & over time. 👍
I like your new visual setup very much. Congratulations 🎉
thanks its an ai background I designed using an app. I will be using it for awhile when I do intros.
No. Date windows should either be at 3 or 6 o clock
I've been getting into no date watches but i'm kind of liking the hidden appearance of this one. Temping...
It's a beautiful watch, but for me it's all about the movement, is the movement any good because the last one was trash
Are you even allowed to be a watch TH-camr without that “A MAN AND HIS WATCH” book somewhere in every video?
Its against the law to not have it.
Done with Seikos.
Want more vids of these
The "62MAS Homage" link goes to a dead web page.
thanks fixed!
Gah! Just do a no date version already! 😂
Maybe they listened to me. 🤷🏻♂️ I've been complaining about that damn wave bump for years! It's irritating.
Really nice background and setup, this is a good step up. But lose the gloves, c’mon man.
the gloves are there to not distract with dirty finger nails or cuts.
63?
Yea it's the nickname
I hate so much seiko because now I will spend money to buy it
awesome vid
The old one is SPB147.