Well TH-cam decided over 24hrs after the upload totally shut the video down because of the California Dreamin clips. So I've gone in and edited them out. Guess it's now 4 solo examples, sorry guys!
Well, since that was your big selling point for the video, and since the first example had horrible audio, I think you should have just deleted the whole thing, and tried again. A big swing and a miss. Felt like clickbait.
This is where JHS is gold with their “just try stuff” motto. The fact that John is still flipping his OD chain shows that even well-established guitarists love to experiment. It takes 5 seconds to flip your gain staging on your board. And always remember: if we could walk up on stage and play through John’s actual setup we still wouldn’t sound like John Mayer 😂
@@ferdinoh3704 you’ll always sound like you, so go be a better you if you’re not liking you at the moment… I think the fact that we always sound like ourselves is a blessing not a curse 😊😊😊
Many guitarists in the 80's and 90's proved this when EVH graciously let them try his rig. They all said even with the actual rig of their hero with his settings, they did not sound like him. They sounded like themselves playing that gear. Same can be said for all the people who tried to replicate SRV tones. The gear and settings is a surprisingly small part of the equation.
Theres a tone that he has during Slow Dancing that has really stuck with me the past few years. 2017 in Kansas City in the outro solo for SDIABR he boosted using either the klon or TS 10 and woah that tone SOARS. Never heard anything like it. I was fortunate enough to hear it live in PIttsburgh 22' and he did some of the same licks 5 years previous. Its not an overly driven tone its just clear and it soars above everything :)
Love the video. Strangely I don't really know Mayer's music at all. I much more familiar with his side players/band than him. But, the discussion re: pedal placement is completely subjective depending on the circumstance, guitar, pickup, pick or finger attack. Personally, for me the tube screamer is always before the J. Rockett Archer (Centaur "copy") on my board. The Klon type of circuit makes the tube screamer very manageable and evens it out. Putting it after the Klon gives it more grit and snarl which, depending on how hard you hit it which suits a lot of players preference in tone. Putting the Klon after feels like it's the adult in the room. I sorta treat it as the manager of the board and overall keeper of consistent tone. However, get the feel of it as well, which combo feels better good to the right hand. Tube Screamer can be your best friend but you're going to have a lot of disagreements along the way.
Generally when stacking pedals, the upstream pedal controls saturation level and the downstream pedal controls the overall tone. So the direction of stacking depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Either is valid, but will sound different, and different is good!
This is really neat. For awhile I’ve been going tubescreamer into morning glory because of like you mentioned the headroom on the morning glory being higher. This was pretty sweet.
@@Flo-qw4jr I agree a with the band part. Johns tone on every tour has always slightly varied, but the sob rock tour I thought the band particularly the drummer was just not up to par with his previous tours
@@CorBor69 Absolutely. And even when Aaron Sterling returned the band sounded kinda empty at times and his drum tone was kinda weird and not very snappy.
GREAT VIDEO Justin! I personally favor Klon into TS into Ceriatone JM amp, but either order is great. Now i just bought the Nordvang Gravity that alows you to invert the order as pleased and i am paying a bit arround with the order. Good job
TS into Klon is where it's at! The Klon has headroom that the TS can't offer. I like to sandwich my BlackBox between the TS and Klon. TS -> BB -> Klon is probably my favorite stack. On the RS performance - what is in the top left corner on JM's board? It looks a little KOT(ish) but not sure...As always, great video!
Great video Justin! I remember Alejandro mentioning a specific performance that got Me to the very same realization, the Howard Stern bash party (like a rolling stone) was TS10 into klon, which for me it is one of the best tones I’ve heard despite an obvious mistake he made around half way 😅 Keep it up bro
Great explanations. Super useful to hear examples and put each piece of equipment into perspective. Just got a JHS bonzai with TS-10 to experiment with, and I'll be able to better understand its use now!
The sound of these pedals and their order is entirely dependant on your amplifier and guitar. Pedals in-of-themselves don’t have ‘that tone’ - it is a combination that is guided by the EQ curve and dynamics of the rest of your gear. John plays a Dumble - which 99.9% of people don’t own, so getting really specific about the order is academic unless it’s him playing though his rig. I have a Lazy J - 20watt tweed combo - not like a dumble! TS10 after Klon sounded a bit better. It’s all context driven. You do you.
Yes, the sound is entirely dependent on many factors. Neat point. I'm sure you're opening eyes all over the world. I hope you're going on videos that talk about amplifiers to let them know the guitar and effects change the sound and certainly you must be reminding people on guitar videos that tone is in the fingers. You must be so fun at parties.
Anyone that claims they can hear a difference in which order his TS and Klon are without looking with a straight face is lying to themselves. The "Mayer thing" is being John Mayer. So much discussion for something that honestly doesn't matter one bit. Guitarists will drool over how brilliant his tone is no matter what order he has his pedals in, because the vast majority of his tone comes from HIM. I don't understand how it's 2023 and people are still talking about John's drive pedal order. He's been using Klon, TS, Katana, and Blues Driver famously for almost 20 years and has probably swapped the order hundreds of times. There are many other factors that make his live tone what it is than the pedal order. His amps, the venue, his PLAYING, the mix, tiny variations in where the knobs on his guitar and pedals and amps are set at any given time, etc. Not trying to be a hater. Just thought we were past this by now. Practice more and experiment with your gear. Those tones are 95% John and the rest is the gear. So stop spending so much time worrying about what John uses and how he uses it and figure out what works for YOU
imho, the ‘order’ is depends on the bass respond in the situation you’re in. different room(venues), different amp, even different guitar. the low end respond could be very different. it might not ‘audible’ except the guitar player.
The best tone I know of John Mayer ever having is the "where the light is" blue ray. Next best would be the crossroads 2010 performance. Such a bummer that the trio had such a short set that day.
There are a lots of photos of JM’s board clearly showing pedals connected in reverse order… for example ts-10 on the right but signal going from left… it’s more as if he’s used to having pedals placed in specific order for convenience and signal chain doesn’t follow the physical order. Anyway if you need to set your amp for clean tones and still need dirt, stacking drive pedals is the only ticket… you basically use one pedal to simulate one more gain stage. Funny I don’t hear any clipping from pedals, it’s just a volume boost atop another volume boost slamming Two Rocks.
If you’re saying there are lots of photos of his board showing the TS10 and Klon order shown in a way that isn’t how it’s physically set I’d love to see a few examples because every shot I have of his board, including ones only a handful of people have ever seen, show when it’s physically ordered that the signal flows that way. You might be mistaking seeing the QTron being put in between the drives but there certainly are not “a lot” of photos showing this order.
Klon has a different mid boost/bass cut than Tube Screamer. And its a hard clipper vs the Tube Screamer soft clipper. So if you want maybe not quite as much bass cut, and a more aggressive distortion tone, put the Klon downstream and the Tube Screamer upstream.
Why not get 2 tubescreamers with a klon in between?? You can try either combination that way, or even all 3 together. To me Trey Anastasio’s core tone is way better that Mayer’s and he runs mostly 2 tubescreamers into a Ross compressor, (with a Languedoc and a Trainwreck/Komet amp) he has been mixing in some klon in recent years tho.
A lot of focus on 2 pedals in an overall setup, surely arena acoustics, pa system, sound engineers, different guitars, John on the night etc... would have a huge impact on tone on the night?
Hi, is it his basic ts-10 settings that you discussed in other tutorials approximately 6-6-7 o'clock.? What would be the Clon approximate settings.? I appreciate all of the tips and your research. Cheers
Well done +justin Jeske, good job. Tube screamer is awesome. But I have to tell you the very secret is his amps. His guitar voicings come from his hands and his amps mainly, I would say. Everything else is less important: guitar brands and TS brands are not as important as his amps.
Going back and forth between BB into TS9 and TS9 into Bluesbreaker. Cannot freaking decide. You say it's usually Bluesbreaker into TS10 into Klon (or it used to be, right?) Just subbed. Interesting vids.
The settings on the pedals are probably just as important as the order. Are they set up to boost? How high is the gain on each pedal? Also, how clean is the amp set?
I’ve been playing acoustic all my life and just recently bought myself an electric guitar so my knowledge when it comes to pedals is very limited. When you say TS into Klon does that mean you have the guitar into the TS into the Klon into the amplifier or is it the other way around?
Great vid! I go back and forth between which order I prefer, really can't go wrong either way. :D Did that "Going Down" video get taken down? Can't seem to find the HD upload anymore unfortunately. Cheers, Justin!
Please tell ANYTHING more about that 2010 Crossroads Festival! That performance is what convinced me to run my 808 into my archer. Recently fried my archer 🤬 Greer Lightspeed has me content again tho.
From what I am aware John owns multiple from the CS run, but the one he plays live is a prototype from the run that he got in 2003 and started using in 03 as well for some performances. Without the sticker on the body too. But as far as I know he owns a few of the actual production guitars as well! Assuming that is one you sold him!
My signal goes comp, klone, ts, ts, and it's been in this order for ten years the other ways are not bad but this gets a nice clean break up on my tubes and I love it.
What amp and cab was he using during the “going Down” performance? I see some fenders, his strat, looks like 2 Alessandro cabs. But I can’t tell what heads.
The difference, Klon > TS would be a more “nasally” unique voicing and not as loud as a boost. TS > Klon would be more of a loud upper midrange boost. I prefer TS > Klon.
I'd bet the farm his Tube Screamer(s) is/are modified and may even have used different one's altogether here and there. Hard to take anything gear-wise at face value with guys at that level of the game. :)
It's funny, I'm a big Mayer fan, and I have a Klon type and a ts9 and a ts10. I like the ts9 a lot more - I'd almost say I dislike the TS10. So yeah, it's for sale 😅
I’ve always done the opposite. Brian Wampler and Josh from JHS both recommend running low gain into high gain as a starting point and modify from there.
@@UnboundOdysseus Can you show me where Brian and Josh recommended low gain into high gain? It's probably one of those things which has no 'correct' answer. I find that the low-gain controls become touchy when they feed into a high-gain stage. If you go the other way, things are more controllable, in my experience.
@@ahall3823 Check out JHS’s video on pedal order. Josh would definitely say there’s no “right” way to do it, but that low gain into high gain is a good place to start. I believe Brian Wampler said something to the effect of “the last pedal in the chain has the biggest effect on the colour of your tone.” Whenever I run higher gain pedals into lower gain pedals, the results are no good for me. I might as well take the high gain pedal out of the chain as it basically disappears when it runs into a lower gain pedal. So I like to run my RYRA Klone into my TS-9, and then the TS-9 runs into my RAT.
@@UnboundOdysseusMe too. Rosie BC183 fuzz > OCD (set low gain) > DS 2 > Ecstasy (red) > Tumnus mini (solo boost). Also on a mini board I do the Frusciante trick and run an MXR micro amp into my main drive which is an Xotic BB+.
Correct. And building ontop of that point, any amp can get 95% of the way there when it comes to mayers tone or any tone you wanna replicate (assuming the amp has the same wattage). We should all be practicing more and buying less
You dont see the cables.. are you shure the order of the pedals tell the whole story? I have used this kombo for almost 20 years! Klon before Sparkledrive always win👍
It’s because they’re not able to make them with the same quality components (resistors/capacitors) as they used to as nowadays these parts are cheaply made. There are some good clones around tho.
@@phunkyjunkee 100% false. Modern clones are the exact same circuit and sound identical - in fact the modern clones have higher quality and reliability. The high cost and them being sought after is because they're just not made anymore and they're rare, as such making them collectors items - that's all there is to it
You can put any pedal in front of a Two Rock or Dumble and it will sound good …..not to say Mayer’s playing isn’t great,because obviously that has a lot to do with it.
It’s in the hands fellas. I love quality gear as much as the next guy… And there certainly is a conversation to be had about the appropriate gear for certain gigs/venues…BUT, endlessly obsessing over Klon’s and TS’s, and particularly their order in the signal chain, is a waste of precious time. Truly. You are better off spending that time with your hands on the guitar. Do the hard work and it WILL pay off. Develop your ears and decide for yourself which pedals and whatnot sound best in YOUR hands. You don’t need someone to tell how YOU must arrange your pedals, that’s just ridiculous. Tone is ultimately in the hands. All the great players know this. There is no shortcut when it comes to most things in life, including guitar. Period. Great players consistently sound great going straight into the amp…irrespective of other factors. Basic pedal board setup and signal flow dynamics are certainly valuable tools…but again. It’s in the hands. Just be careful you don’t get caught up/lost in the minutiae. (FYI… Both the Centaur and the TS can be used as either a boost OR an overdrive. Depends on how you dial them in/have them set. So, it’s not just their order in the signal chain, it’s their individual settings. The only way any of this video has any real relevance, is if you assume that Mayer is not changing the settings on either of the pedals. 🤦🏻♂️)
Well TH-cam decided over 24hrs after the upload totally shut the video down because of the California Dreamin clips. So I've gone in and edited them out. Guess it's now 4 solo examples, sorry guys!
They blocked the final example 😢
The final (blocked ) solo is at 1 min 33 of this link. th-cam.com/video/e_0FZP-QRh4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OX3oItnOC3wCTcJg. (Hope that’s okay JJ. )😊
Well, since that was your big selling point for the video, and since the first example had horrible audio, I think you should have just deleted the whole thing, and tried again. A big swing and a miss. Felt like clickbait.
This is where JHS is gold with their “just try stuff” motto. The fact that John is still flipping his OD chain shows that even well-established guitarists love to experiment. It takes 5 seconds to flip your gain staging on your board.
And always remember: if we could walk up on stage and play through John’s actual setup we still wouldn’t sound like John Mayer 😂
So what is the message here :
Do like John to sound like John, but remember you will never sound like John...
👍🏻🤣
I may not sound like John but it would still be EPIC!!
@@ferdinoh3704 you’ll always sound like you, so go be a better you if you’re not liking you at the moment… I think the fact that we always sound like ourselves is a blessing not a curse 😊😊😊
Many guitarists in the 80's and 90's proved this when EVH graciously let them try his rig. They all said even with the actual rig of their hero with his settings, they did not sound like him. They sounded like themselves playing that gear.
Same can be said for all the people who tried to replicate SRV tones.
The gear and settings is a surprisingly small part of the equation.
Theres a tone that he has during Slow Dancing that has really stuck with me the past few years. 2017 in Kansas City in the outro solo for SDIABR he boosted using either the klon or TS 10 and woah that tone SOARS. Never heard anything like it. I was fortunate enough to hear it live in PIttsburgh 22' and he did some of the same licks 5 years previous. Its not an overly driven tone its just clear and it soars above everything :)
Videos been going dumb lit lately :) keep it up bro!! Great work!!
Love the video. Strangely I don't really know Mayer's music at all. I much more familiar with his side players/band than him. But, the discussion re: pedal placement is completely subjective depending on the circumstance, guitar, pickup, pick or finger attack. Personally, for me the tube screamer is always before the J. Rockett Archer (Centaur "copy") on my board. The Klon type of circuit makes the tube screamer very manageable and evens it out. Putting it after the Klon gives it more grit and snarl which, depending on how hard you hit it which suits a lot of players preference in tone. Putting the Klon after feels like it's the adult in the room. I sorta treat it as the manager of the board and overall keeper of consistent tone. However, get the feel of it as well, which combo feels better good to the right hand. Tube Screamer can be your best friend but you're going to have a lot of disagreements along the way.
Generally when stacking pedals, the upstream pedal controls saturation level and the downstream pedal controls the overall tone. So the direction of stacking depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Either is valid, but will sound different, and different is good!
This is really neat. For awhile I’ve been going tubescreamer into morning glory because of like you mentioned the headroom on the morning glory being higher. This was pretty sweet.
Give Bluesbreaker into Klon a try if you haven’t yet, I highly recommend it.
@@severebash9153 I need a Klone to give that a whirl. I bet it’s rad!
2019 tour tone is so much better in my opinion than sob rock tour
Went to both. Thought they were equally good.
@@Kendalladkins sob rock is so bright though, lacks the oomph
I generally felt that the sound during the 2019 tour was better. Not just John‘s tone but just the entire band’s sound.
@@Flo-qw4jr I agree a with the band part. Johns tone on every tour has always slightly varied, but the sob rock tour I thought the band particularly the drummer was just not up to par with his previous tours
@@CorBor69 Absolutely. And even when Aaron Sterling returned the band sounded kinda empty at times and his drum tone was kinda weird and not very snappy.
5:45 JESUS! This take on the In Repair is just incredible! Playing and tonality, just... WOW!
Hey man your doing a great job ! keep them videos rolling !
Ts10 into the Klon is amazing! I think it’s thicker.
Jon into the Klon? Magic, baby!
Thanks Justin 🙌🏼 such a great breakdown & examples. Inspired me to mess around w my chain 🎉🎉
The vídeo is mute on 11:00 minute and Go on like this during the 4th example
GREAT VIDEO Justin! I personally favor Klon into TS into Ceriatone JM amp, but either order is great. Now i just bought the Nordvang Gravity that alows you to invert the order as pleased and i am paying a bit arround with the order. Good job
Holy shit! I guessed what performance you were going to use before you even started! Haha
Another great one!
I got a TS mini and an MXR Sugar drive. And I got the J Rockett Klon clone. They should be good, right?
It would be nice to know which pedal settings would re-create his tone - - if that is even possible.
awesome, thanks so much
TS into Klon is where it's at! The Klon has headroom that the TS can't offer. I like to sandwich my BlackBox between the TS and Klon. TS -> BB -> Klon is probably my favorite stack. On the RS performance - what is in the top left corner on JM's board? It looks a little KOT(ish) but not sure...As always, great video!
Right on Justin!
just found this video. Thanks. The California Dreamin' tone he had is one of my fav but i didn't realise there was a klon there. Sweet.
Damn TH-cam censored out ALL of the tones from the end of the video. After all that editing and work breaking down the tone , TH-cam just erased it
Great video! Thanks! 🫶🏻
Super job guy ! From France :)
Great video Justin! I remember Alejandro mentioning a specific performance that got
Me to the very same realization, the Howard Stern bash party (like a rolling stone) was TS10 into klon, which for me it is one of the best tones I’ve heard despite an obvious mistake he made around half way 😅
Keep it up bro
So, what I’m hearing is put two tubescreamers on my board, 1 before the Tumnus, and 1 after.
I run a Zendrive (TS circuit) into Tumnus! #killer
Great explanations. Super useful to hear examples and put each piece of equipment into perspective. Just got a JHS bonzai with TS-10 to experiment with, and I'll be able to better understand its use now!
The sound of these pedals and their order is entirely dependant on your amplifier and guitar. Pedals in-of-themselves don’t have ‘that tone’ - it is a combination that is guided by the EQ curve and dynamics of the rest of your gear. John plays a Dumble - which 99.9% of people don’t own, so getting really specific about the order is academic unless it’s him playing though his rig. I have a Lazy J - 20watt tweed combo - not like a dumble! TS10 after Klon sounded a bit better. It’s all context driven. You do you.
Amen to that.
As a wise player once said, "You aren't playing the guitar... You're playing the amplifier (read: 'signal chain')."
Yes, the sound is entirely dependent on many factors. Neat point. I'm sure you're opening eyes all over the world. I hope you're going on videos that talk about amplifiers to let them know the guitar and effects change the sound and certainly you must be reminding people on guitar videos that tone is in the fingers. You must be so fun at parties.
@@fredtaylor9792 you ok? Did you bump your head?
@@reddsshaker3477 Did you bump yours?
Great video Justin, I’m going to try it. That tone he had in Los Angeles on the last tour was pretty epic, wasn’t it?
I dont know, but the first photo looks like even though on the stage they are in TS>Klon, the cables look opposite to me.
hola, great job, thanks!
Anyone that claims they can hear a difference in which order his TS and Klon are without looking with a straight face is lying to themselves.
The "Mayer thing" is being John Mayer. So much discussion for something that honestly doesn't matter one bit. Guitarists will drool over how brilliant his tone is no matter what order he has his pedals in, because the vast majority of his tone comes from HIM. I don't understand how it's 2023 and people are still talking about John's drive pedal order. He's been using Klon, TS, Katana, and Blues Driver famously for almost 20 years and has probably swapped the order hundreds of times.
There are many other factors that make his live tone what it is than the pedal order. His amps, the venue, his PLAYING, the mix, tiny variations in where the knobs on his guitar and pedals and amps are set at any given time, etc.
Not trying to be a hater. Just thought we were past this by now. Practice more and experiment with your gear. Those tones are 95% John and the rest is the gear. So stop spending so much time worrying about what John uses and how he uses it and figure out what works for YOU
Am I the only one who definitely sees that the cable goes from Klons output to TSs input on Conan?
First thing I noticed too lol
imho, the ‘order’ is depends on the bass respond in the situation you’re in. different room(venues), different amp, even different guitar. the low end respond could be very different. it might not ‘audible’ except the guitar player.
What kind of settings to use if I put a TS into a Klon for both pedals?
The best tone I know of John Mayer ever having is the "where the light is" blue ray. Next best would be the crossroads 2010 performance. Such a bummer that the trio had such a short set that day.
There are a lots of photos of JM’s board clearly showing pedals connected in reverse order… for example ts-10 on the right but signal going from left… it’s more as if he’s used to having pedals placed in specific order for convenience and signal chain doesn’t follow the physical order. Anyway if you need to set your amp for clean tones and still need dirt, stacking drive pedals is the only ticket… you basically use one pedal to simulate one more gain stage. Funny I don’t hear any clipping from pedals, it’s just a volume boost atop another volume boost slamming Two Rocks.
If you’re saying there are lots of photos of his board showing the TS10 and Klon order shown in a way that isn’t how it’s physically set I’d love to see a few examples because every shot I have of his board, including ones only a handful of people have ever seen, show when it’s physically ordered that the signal flows that way. You might be mistaking seeing the QTron being put in between the drives but there certainly are not “a lot” of photos showing this order.
Klon has a different mid boost/bass cut than Tube Screamer. And its a hard clipper vs the Tube Screamer soft clipper. So if you want maybe not quite as much bass cut, and a more aggressive distortion tone, put the Klon downstream and the Tube Screamer upstream.
Love this! I think a lot of people would be excited if you started looking at ariel posen’s sound!
Why not get 2 tubescreamers with a klon in between?? You can try either combination that way, or even all 3 together. To me Trey Anastasio’s core tone is way better that Mayer’s and he runs mostly 2 tubescreamers into a Ross compressor, (with a Languedoc and a Trainwreck/Komet amp) he has been mixing in some klon in recent years tho.
A lot of focus on 2 pedals in an overall setup, surely arena acoustics, pa system, sound engineers, different guitars, John on the night etc... would have a huge impact on tone on the night?
Can you put the settings for each pedal please? Thanks
Hi, is it his basic ts-10 settings that you discussed in other tutorials approximately 6-6-7 o'clock.? What would be the Clon approximate settings.? I appreciate all of the tips and your research. Cheers
I want to know the pedal setup used in Dead and Company, Brown Eyes Women, Chicago, 6/24/22 and All Along The Watchtower, Philadelphia 7/10/22
Tone so good it blew up YT or I went deaf.
I have two tube screamer in my pedalboard as john's idea in subrock tour... I got ts9 into jrockett archer (amazing klon clone) into ts808.
Well done +justin Jeske, good job. Tube screamer is awesome. But I have to tell you the very secret is his amps. His guitar voicings come from his hands and his amps mainly, I would say. Everything else is less important: guitar brands and TS brands are not as important as his amps.
So, is he using the TS like SRV...drive settings low, but boosting the signal into a hotter Klon...or vice-versa?
Two original Klons into three TS9's into Behringer super fuzz into Fender Frontman 2 X 12 is where it's at!
Going back and forth between BB into TS9 and TS9 into Bluesbreaker. Cannot freaking decide. You say it's usually Bluesbreaker into TS10 into Klon (or it used to be, right?) Just subbed. Interesting vids.
The settings on the pedals are probably just as important as the order. Are they set up to boost? How high is the gain on each pedal? Also, how clean is the amp set?
I’ve been playing acoustic all my life and just recently bought myself an electric guitar so my knowledge when it comes to pedals is very limited. When you say TS into Klon does that mean you have the guitar into the TS into the Klon into the amplifier or is it the other way around?
Yes it means guitar into TS into the Klon into the amp.
Any idea when John dropped using the Blues Breaker?
Does he boost the combination with the Katana in this case?
There’s a boost in there as well before the TS10
Great vid! I go back and forth between which order I prefer, really can't go wrong either way. :D
Did that "Going Down" video get taken down? Can't seem to find the HD upload anymore unfortunately.
Cheers, Justin!
How the hell did you find the California dreamin video?! I haven't seen it on TH-cam for months! great video, definitely gonna try this
I have the same tone with my diy klon and ts. But I don’t play as good as JM
Please tell ANYTHING more about that 2010 Crossroads Festival! That performance is what convinced me to run my 808 into my archer. Recently fried my archer 🤬 Greer Lightspeed has me content again tho.
The Monterey Strat is not a Prototype, but a typical CS Monterey Strat. I sold it to him in 2004
From what I am aware John owns multiple from the CS run, but the one he plays live is a prototype from the run that he got in 2003 and started using in 03 as well for some performances. Without the sticker on the body too.
But as far as I know he owns a few of the actual production guitars as well! Assuming that is one you sold him!
+1 for carbon copy video 🙏🏻
Thanks for the video!
Do you think light compression at the beginning of the chain would be ok? Thanks.
Have you tried it? I always run my compressor before my drive section and prefer it that way.
mayer may play with beringher and caline, and still sound incredible
I think hes definitely using a chorus in the 2019 in repair video for the lead tone.
Yup, the Chase Bliss Warped Vinyl Hifi is on throughout the whole song!
I have my TS and Klon running to different amps. I can’t combine them.
Would love humbucker examples!
My signal goes comp, klone, ts, ts, and it's been in this order for ten years the other ways are not bad but this gets a nice clean break up on my tubes and I love it.
What amp and cab was he using during the “going Down” performance? I see some fenders, his strat, looks like 2 Alessandro cabs. But I can’t tell what heads.
JM Sig and SSS002 on the two Alessandro's!
great thx! I checked out TS9 mini -> Way Huge Conspiracy Theory -> Fender Deluxe Reverb (UAFX Dream 65) ...wow, great sound! 😉
As a noob guitarist, I just want to honestly ask, what's his "always on" pedal of the two? Specifically in slow dancing
Like #946th & Subscribed. Thanks for your video👍
great video justin. I think you made a mistake in the description, it should be "i was never a fan of the former..."
Don't forget to run those pedals into a Dumble or a Two Rock for the full effect. 😁
Do you have a video showing klon into tube screamer? Very interested to see the difference!
The difference, Klon > TS would be a more “nasally” unique voicing and not as loud as a boost. TS > Klon would be more of a loud upper midrange boost. I prefer TS > Klon.
really like your videos ... can you make a video when other guitarrist reaccting john mayer is playing, like in this part 11:48....
I'd bet the farm his Tube Screamer(s) is/are modified and may even have used different one's altogether here and there. Hard to take anything gear-wise at face value with guys at that level of the game. :)
How comes that though its always ts into klon sometimes his sound is grittier?
Changes in the signal chain. Different guitars, different amps, different pedal settings, hell ... Different microphones and sound techs.
The tone during the Stones performance is kinda fuzzy, I feel there's something else going on rather than just the TS and the Klon
Could have possibly had the Katana boosting it but there weren’t any other drive/gain pedals on his board!
Is that the aqua Puss also ?
The Klon has great 'size'. The TS cuts off lows and focuses mids. Klon into TS totally nerfs the 'size' of the Klon.
Would be cool for you to play and demo the difference
Has John played a lick of his own yet?
No, he owns them
Two mid humped pedals stacked can be a bit much but he’s probably going into a fender amp which is mid scooped so it works
And a Strat
It's funny, I'm a big Mayer fan, and I have a Klon type and a ts9 and a ts10. I like the ts9 a lot more - I'd almost say I dislike the TS10. So yeah, it's for sale 😅
Good afternoom. I would like to know why I got banned from JMGL. Thanks.
Its actually klon into tube screamer into another klon.
I was expecting some settings on both pedals, great video tho
Generally, you run a higher gain pedal into lower gain pedal.
I’ve always done the opposite. Brian Wampler and Josh from JHS both recommend running low gain into high gain as a starting point and modify from there.
@@UnboundOdysseus Can you show me where Brian and Josh recommended low gain into high gain? It's probably one of those things which has no 'correct' answer. I find that the low-gain controls become touchy when they feed into a high-gain stage. If you go the other way, things are more controllable, in my experience.
@@ahall3823 Check out JHS’s video on pedal order. Josh would definitely say there’s no “right” way to do it, but that low gain into high gain is a good place to start. I believe Brian Wampler said something to the effect of “the last pedal in the chain has the biggest effect on the colour of your tone.” Whenever I run higher gain pedals into lower gain pedals, the results are no good for me. I might as well take the high gain pedal out of the chain as it basically disappears when it runs into a lower gain pedal. So I like to run my RYRA Klone into my TS-9, and then the TS-9 runs into my RAT.
@@UnboundOdysseusMe too. Rosie BC183 fuzz > OCD (set low gain) > DS 2 > Ecstasy (red) > Tumnus mini (solo boost). Also on a mini board I do the Frusciante trick and run an MXR micro amp into my main drive which is an Xotic BB+.
Now he uses Bad Monkey into Bad Monkey
I’m thinking the 40k dumbles has more to do with his tone than anythinf
Correct. And building ontop of that point, any amp can get 95% of the way there when it comes to mayers tone or any tone you wanna replicate (assuming the amp has the same wattage). We should all be practicing more and buying less
Is the katana off when he solos?
Katana gets a cigarette break when he solos. Scorpion tags in for a bit and then yells "Get over here!!" when the solo finishes.
how john can have such a big pedalboard without a switcher and tone suck, god only knows
Am I the only one noticing no sound around 11 mins in?…
Video got hit with another copyright strike that removed the audio 🫠
@@JustinJeske ahh damn.. I see. 🙄 sorry bro. YT is getting harder and harder for quality creators like yourself.
As you said "Subscribe" hehehe
You dont see the cables.. are you shure the order of the pedals tell the whole story?
I have used this kombo for almost 20 years!
Klon before Sparkledrive always win👍
Is this why the klon cost so much? John Mayer?
No
It’s because they’re not able to make them with the same quality components (resistors/capacitors) as they used to as nowadays these parts are cheaply made. There are some good clones around tho.
@@phunkyjunkee 100% false. Modern clones are the exact same circuit and sound identical - in fact the modern clones have higher quality and reliability. The high cost and them being sought after is because they're just not made anymore and they're rare, as such making them collectors items - that's all there is to it
@@zynthio so, not 100% false then, as I said there are some good clones around nowadays. Lol
@@zynthio it is CERTAINLY not because Mayer uses one, which was my main point.
You can put any pedal in front of a Two Rock or Dumble and it will sound good …..not to say Mayer’s playing isn’t great,because obviously that has a lot to do with it.
There is no way you can hear a difference in pedal order live... There are so many factors at play in what's been recorded.
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It’s in the hands fellas. I love quality gear as much as the next guy… And there certainly is a conversation to be had about the appropriate gear for certain gigs/venues…BUT, endlessly obsessing over Klon’s and TS’s, and particularly their order in the signal chain, is a waste of precious time. Truly. You are better off spending that time with your hands on the guitar. Do the hard work and it WILL pay off. Develop your ears and decide for yourself which pedals and whatnot sound best in YOUR hands. You don’t need someone to tell how YOU must arrange your pedals, that’s just ridiculous. Tone is ultimately in the hands. All the great players know this. There is no shortcut when it comes to most things in life, including guitar. Period. Great players consistently sound great going straight into the amp…irrespective of other factors. Basic pedal board setup and signal flow dynamics are certainly valuable tools…but again. It’s in the hands. Just be careful you don’t get caught up/lost in the minutiae.
(FYI… Both the Centaur and the TS can be used as either a boost OR an overdrive. Depends on how you dial them in/have them set. So, it’s not just their order in the signal chain, it’s their individual settings. The only way any of this video has any real relevance, is if you assume that Mayer is not changing the settings on either of the pedals. 🤦🏻♂️)