When John Mayer Goes TS Into Klon It’s Incredible | 5 Solo Examples
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ม.ค. 2023
- John Mayer’s drive chain is usually either TS into Klon or Klon into TS. I was never a fan of the latter until I heard one specific performance. Today I’ll go over that and four additional ones where John uses the TS10 into the Klon Centaur with brilliant tonal results.
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Well TH-cam decided over 24hrs after the upload totally shut the video down because of the California Dreamin clips. So I've gone in and edited them out. Guess it's now 4 solo examples, sorry guys!
They blocked the final example 😢
The final (blocked ) solo is at 1 min 33 of this link. th-cam.com/video/e_0FZP-QRh4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OX3oItnOC3wCTcJg. (Hope that’s okay JJ. )😊
This is where JHS is gold with their “just try stuff” motto. The fact that John is still flipping his OD chain shows that even well-established guitarists love to experiment. It takes 5 seconds to flip your gain staging on your board.
And always remember: if we could walk up on stage and play through John’s actual setup we still wouldn’t sound like John Mayer 😂
So what is the message here :
Do like John to sound like John, but remember you will never sound like John...
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I may not sound like John but it would still be EPIC!!
@@ferdinoh3704 you’ll always sound like you, so go be a better you if you’re not liking you at the moment… I think the fact that we always sound like ourselves is a blessing not a curse 😊😊😊
Videos been going dumb lit lately :) keep it up bro!! Great work!!
Hey man your doing a great job ! keep them videos rolling !
Thanks Justin 🙌🏼 such a great breakdown & examples. Inspired me to mess around w my chain 🎉🎉
Great explanations. Super useful to hear examples and put each piece of equipment into perspective. Just got a JHS bonzai with TS-10 to experiment with, and I'll be able to better understand its use now!
Another great one!
Great video! Thanks! 🫶🏻
Theres a tone that he has during Slow Dancing that has really stuck with me the past few years. 2017 in Kansas City in the outro solo for SDIABR he boosted using either the klon or TS 10 and woah that tone SOARS. Never heard anything like it. I was fortunate enough to hear it live in PIttsburgh 22' and he did some of the same licks 5 years previous. Its not an overly driven tone its just clear and it soars above everything :)
awesome, thanks so much
This is really neat. For awhile I’ve been going tubescreamer into morning glory because of like you mentioned the headroom on the morning glory being higher. This was pretty sweet.
Give Bluesbreaker into Klon a try if you haven’t yet, I highly recommend it.
@@severebash9153 I need a Klone to give that a whirl. I bet it’s rad!
Right on Justin!
Great video Justin! I remember Alejandro mentioning a specific performance that got
Me to the very same realization, the Howard Stern bash party (like a rolling stone) was TS10 into klon, which for me it is one of the best tones I’ve heard despite an obvious mistake he made around half way 😅
Keep it up bro
GREAT VIDEO Justin! I personally favor Klon into TS into Ceriatone JM amp, but either order is great. Now i just bought the Nordvang Gravity that alows you to invert the order as pleased and i am paying a bit arround with the order. Good job
Great vid! I go back and forth between which order I prefer, really can't go wrong either way. :D
Did that "Going Down" video get taken down? Can't seem to find the HD upload anymore unfortunately.
Cheers, Justin!
Super job guy ! From France :)
Holy shit! I guessed what performance you were going to use before you even started! Haha
Thanks for the video!
Do you think light compression at the beginning of the chain would be ok? Thanks.
just found this video. Thanks. The California Dreamin' tone he had is one of my fav but i didn't realise there was a klon there. Sweet.
Hi, is it his basic ts-10 settings that you discussed in other tutorials approximately 6-6-7 o'clock.? What would be the Clon approximate settings.? I appreciate all of the tips and your research. Cheers
Great video Justin, I’m going to try it. That tone he had in Los Angeles on the last tour was pretty epic, wasn’t it?
It would be nice to know which pedal settings would re-create his tone - - if that is even possible.
Love the video. Strangely I don't really know Mayer's music at all. I much more familiar with his side players/band than him. But, the discussion re: pedal placement is completely subjective depending on the circumstance, guitar, pickup, pick or finger attack. Personally, for me the tube screamer is always before the J. Rockett Archer (Centaur "copy") on my board. The Klon type of circuit makes the tube screamer very manageable and evens it out. Putting it after the Klon gives it more grit and snarl which, depending on how hard you hit it which suits a lot of players preference in tone. Putting the Klon after feels like it's the adult in the room. I sorta treat it as the manager of the board and overall keeper of consistent tone. However, get the feel of it as well, which combo feels better good to the right hand. Tube Screamer can be your best friend but you're going to have a lot of disagreements along the way.
The settings on the pedals are probably just as important as the order. Are they set up to boost? How high is the gain on each pedal? Also, how clean is the amp set?
hola, great job, thanks!
2019 tour tone is so much better in my opinion than sob rock tour
Went to both. Thought they were equally good.
@@Kendalladkins sob rock is so bright though, lacks the oomph
I generally felt that the sound during the 2019 tour was better. Not just John‘s tone but just the entire band’s sound.
@@Flo-qw4jr I agree a with the band part. Johns tone on every tour has always slightly varied, but the sob rock tour I thought the band particularly the drummer was just not up to par with his previous tours
@@CorBor69 Absolutely. And even when Aaron Sterling returned the band sounded kinda empty at times and his drum tone was kinda weird and not very snappy.
I got a TS mini and an MXR Sugar drive. And I got the J Rockett Klon clone. They should be good, right?
What kind of settings to use if I put a TS into a Klon for both pedals?
5:45 JESUS! This take on the In Repair is just incredible! Playing and tonality, just... WOW!
Love this! I think a lot of people would be excited if you started looking at ariel posen’s sound!
Do you have a video showing klon into tube screamer? Very interested to see the difference!
As a noob guitarist, I just want to honestly ask, what's his "always on" pedal of the two? Specifically in slow dancing
TS into Klon is where it's at! The Klon has headroom that the TS can't offer. I like to sandwich my BlackBox between the TS and Klon. TS -> BB -> Klon is probably my favorite stack. On the RS performance - what is in the top left corner on JM's board? It looks a little KOT(ish) but not sure...As always, great video!
How the hell did you find the California dreamin video?! I haven't seen it on TH-cam for months! great video, definitely gonna try this
Generally when stacking pedals, the upstream pedal controls saturation level and the downstream pedal controls the overall tone. So the direction of stacking depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Either is valid, but will sound different, and different is good!
What amp and cab was he using during the “going Down” performance? I see some fenders, his strat, looks like 2 Alessandro cabs. But I can’t tell what heads.
JM Sig and SSS002 on the two Alessandro's!
Am I the only one who definitely sees that the cable goes from Klons output to TSs input on Conan?
Any idea when John dropped using the Blues Breaker?
Damn TH-cam censored out ALL of the tones from the end of the video. After all that editing and work breaking down the tone , TH-cam just erased it
I’ve been playing acoustic all my life and just recently bought myself an electric guitar so my knowledge when it comes to pedals is very limited. When you say TS into Klon does that mean you have the guitar into the TS into the Klon into the amplifier or is it the other way around?
Yes it means guitar into TS into the Klon into the amp.
Please tell ANYTHING more about that 2010 Crossroads Festival! That performance is what convinced me to run my 808 into my archer. Recently fried my archer 🤬 Greer Lightspeed has me content again tho.
Can you put the settings for each pedal please? Thanks
I want to know the pedal setup used in Dead and Company, Brown Eyes Women, Chicago, 6/24/22 and All Along The Watchtower, Philadelphia 7/10/22
Does he boost the combination with the Katana in this case?
So, is he using the TS like SRV...drive settings low, but boosting the signal into a hotter Klon...or vice-versa?
Ts10 into the Klon is amazing! I think it’s thicker.
Jon into the Klon? Magic, baby!
great thx! I checked out TS9 mini -> Way Huge Conspiracy Theory -> Fender Deluxe Reverb (UAFX Dream 65) ...wow, great sound! 😉
So, what I’m hearing is put two tubescreamers on my board, 1 before the Tumnus, and 1 after.
Going back and forth between BB into TS9 and TS9 into Bluesbreaker. Cannot freaking decide. You say it's usually Bluesbreaker into TS10 into Klon (or it used to be, right?) Just subbed. Interesting vids.
Klon has a different mid boost/bass cut than Tube Screamer. And its a hard clipper vs the Tube Screamer soft clipper. So if you want maybe not quite as much bass cut, and a more aggressive distortion tone, put the Klon downstream and the Tube Screamer upstream.
I have my TS and Klon running to different amps. I can’t combine them.
I dont know, but the first photo looks like even though on the stage they are in TS>Klon, the cables look opposite to me.
The best tone I know of John Mayer ever having is the "where the light is" blue ray. Next best would be the crossroads 2010 performance. Such a bummer that the trio had such a short set that day.
great video justin. I think you made a mistake in the description, it should be "i was never a fan of the former..."
Two original Klons into three TS9's into Behringer super fuzz into Fender Frontman 2 X 12 is where it's at!
Like #946th & Subscribed. Thanks for your video👍
There are a lots of photos of JM’s board clearly showing pedals connected in reverse order… for example ts-10 on the right but signal going from left… it’s more as if he’s used to having pedals placed in specific order for convenience and signal chain doesn’t follow the physical order. Anyway if you need to set your amp for clean tones and still need dirt, stacking drive pedals is the only ticket… you basically use one pedal to simulate one more gain stage. Funny I don’t hear any clipping from pedals, it’s just a volume boost atop another volume boost slamming Two Rocks.
If you’re saying there are lots of photos of his board showing the TS10 and Klon order shown in a way that isn’t how it’s physically set I’d love to see a few examples because every shot I have of his board, including ones only a handful of people have ever seen, show when it’s physically ordered that the signal flows that way. You might be mistaking seeing the QTron being put in between the drives but there certainly are not “a lot” of photos showing this order.
I have two tube screamer in my pedalboard as john's idea in subrock tour... I got ts9 into jrockett archer (amazing klon clone) into ts808.
Well done +justin Jeske, good job. Tube screamer is awesome. But I have to tell you the very secret is his amps. His guitar voicings come from his hands and his amps mainly, I would say. Everything else is less important: guitar brands and TS brands are not as important as his amps.
A lot of focus on 2 pedals in an overall setup, surely arena acoustics, pa system, sound engineers, different guitars, John on the night etc... would have a huge impact on tone on the night?
Why not get 2 tubescreamers with a klon in between?? You can try either combination that way, or even all 3 together. To me Trey Anastasio’s core tone is way better that Mayer’s and he runs mostly 2 tubescreamers into a Ross compressor, (with a Languedoc and a Trainwreck/Komet amp) he has been mixing in some klon in recent years tho.
Is that the aqua Puss also ?
imho, the ‘order’ is depends on the bass respond in the situation you’re in. different room(venues), different amp, even different guitar. the low end respond could be very different. it might not ‘audible’ except the guitar player.
How comes that though its always ts into klon sometimes his sound is grittier?
Changes in the signal chain. Different guitars, different amps, different pedal settings, hell ... Different microphones and sound techs.
Anyone that claims they can hear a difference in which order his TS and Klon are without looking with a straight face is lying to themselves.
The "Mayer thing" is being John Mayer. So much discussion for something that honestly doesn't matter one bit. Guitarists will drool over how brilliant his tone is no matter what order he has his pedals in, because the vast majority of his tone comes from HIM. I don't understand how it's 2023 and people are still talking about John's drive pedal order. He's been using Klon, TS, Katana, and Blues Driver famously for almost 20 years and has probably swapped the order hundreds of times.
There are many other factors that make his live tone what it is than the pedal order. His amps, the venue, his PLAYING, the mix, tiny variations in where the knobs on his guitar and pedals and amps are set at any given time, etc.
Not trying to be a hater. Just thought we were past this by now. Practice more and experiment with your gear. Those tones are 95% John and the rest is the gear. So stop spending so much time worrying about what John uses and how he uses it and figure out what works for YOU
There’s a boost in there as well before the TS10
I have the same tone with my diy klon and ts. But I don’t play as good as JM
Don't forget to run those pedals into a Dumble or a Two Rock for the full effect. 😁
Would love humbucker examples!
I think hes definitely using a chorus in the 2019 in repair video for the lead tone.
Yup, the Chase Bliss Warped Vinyl Hifi is on throughout the whole song!
Is the katana off when he solos?
Katana gets a cigarette break when he solos. Scorpion tags in for a bit and then yells "Get over here!!" when the solo finishes.
Buffer>TS>Klone>Timmy> 👌
The sound of these pedals and their order is entirely dependant on your amplifier and guitar. Pedals in-of-themselves don’t have ‘that tone’ - it is a combination that is guided by the EQ curve and dynamics of the rest of your gear. John plays a Dumble - which 99.9% of people don’t own, so getting really specific about the order is academic unless it’s him playing though his rig. I have a Lazy J - 20watt tweed combo - not like a dumble! TS10 after Klon sounded a bit better. It’s all context driven. You do you.
Amen to that.
As a wise player once said, "You aren't playing the guitar... You're playing the amplifier (read: 'signal chain')."
Yes, the sound is entirely dependent on many factors. Neat point. I'm sure you're opening eyes all over the world. I hope you're going on videos that talk about amplifiers to let them know the guitar and effects change the sound and certainly you must be reminding people on guitar videos that tone is in the fingers. You must be so fun at parties.
@@fredtaylor9792 you ok? Did you bump your head?
@@reddsshaker3477 Did you bump yours?
I'd bet the farm his Tube Screamer(s) is/are modified and may even have used different one's altogether here and there. Hard to take anything gear-wise at face value with guys at that level of the game. :)
It's funny, I'm a big Mayer fan, and I have a Klon type and a ts9 and a ts10. I like the ts9 a lot more - I'd almost say I dislike the TS10. So yeah, it's for sale 😅
The vídeo is mute on 11:00 minute and Go on like this during the 4th example
mayer may play with beringher and caline, and still sound incredible
I’m thinking the 40k dumbles has more to do with his tone than anythinf
really like your videos ... can you make a video when other guitarrist reaccting john mayer is playing, like in this part 11:48....
I was expecting some settings on both pedals, great video tho
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Its actually klon into tube screamer into another klon.
The tone during the Stones performance is kinda fuzzy, I feel there's something else going on rather than just the TS and the Klon
Could have possibly had the Katana boosting it but there weren’t any other drive/gain pedals on his board!
+1 for carbon copy video 🙏🏻
The Klon has great 'size'. The TS cuts off lows and focuses mids. Klon into TS totally nerfs the 'size' of the Klon.
Good afternoom. I would like to know why I got banned from JMGL. Thanks.
Has John played a lick of his own yet?
No, he owns them
As you said "Subscribe" hehehe
You dont see the cables.. are you shure the order of the pedals tell the whole story?
I have used this kombo for almost 20 years!
Klon before Sparkledrive always win👍
Generally, you run a higher gain pedal into lower gain pedal.
I’ve always done the opposite. Brian Wampler and Josh from JHS both recommend running low gain into high gain as a starting point and modify from there.
@@UnboundOdysseus Can you show me where Brian and Josh recommended low gain into high gain? It's probably one of those things which has no 'correct' answer. I find that the low-gain controls become touchy when they feed into a high-gain stage. If you go the other way, things are more controllable, in my experience.
@@ahall3823 Check out JHS’s video on pedal order. Josh would definitely say there’s no “right” way to do it, but that low gain into high gain is a good place to start. I believe Brian Wampler said something to the effect of “the last pedal in the chain has the biggest effect on the colour of your tone.” Whenever I run higher gain pedals into lower gain pedals, the results are no good for me. I might as well take the high gain pedal out of the chain as it basically disappears when it runs into a lower gain pedal. So I like to run my RYRA Klone into my TS-9, and then the TS-9 runs into my RAT.
Now he uses Bad Monkey into Bad Monkey
John mayer why don't you chime in and tell them what you do .that would be cool hey
I’m more interested in what those cargo pants are 😂🤷🏻♂️
i can afford a ts and klon clone thats super close to the og. i can afford to put his pickups in my guitars. I cant afford the two rock amps.
Last solo is muted
how john can have such a big pedalboard without a switcher and tone suck, god only knows
My signal goes comp, klone, ts, ts, and it's been in this order for ten years the other ways are not bad but this gets a nice clean break up on my tubes and I love it.
Am I the only one noticing no sound around 11 mins in?…
Video got hit with another copyright strike that removed the audio 🫠
@@JustinJeske ahh damn.. I see. 🙄 sorry bro. YT is getting harder and harder for quality creators like yourself.
There is no way you can hear a difference in pedal order live... There are so many factors at play in what's been recorded.
You can put any pedal in front of a Two Rock or Dumble and it will sound good …..not to say Mayer’s playing isn’t great,because obviously that has a lot to do with it.
Is this why the klon cost so much? John Mayer?
No
It’s because they’re not able to make them with the same quality components (resistors/capacitors) as they used to as nowadays these parts are cheaply made. There are some good clones around tho.
@@phunkyjunkee 100% false. Modern clones are the exact same circuit and sound identical - in fact the modern clones have higher quality and reliability. The high cost and them being sought after is because they're just not made anymore and they're rare, as such making them collectors items - that's all there is to it
@@zynthio so, not 100% false then, as I said there are some good clones around nowadays. Lol
@@zynthio it is CERTAINLY not because Mayer uses one, which was my main point.