Bad Assumptions | American Airlines Flight 182/TWA Flight 37 Mid-Air Incident

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  • @andygarmhausen2571
    @andygarmhausen2571 4 ปีที่แล้ว +322

    I was a passenger on AA Flight 182. I was sitting near the back on the right side on the aisle. The damage to the aircraft was to the interior and was significant. When Captain Eby essentially dove the aircraft, many of the passengers in the front half of the plane who had unbuckled their seat belts were thrown to the ceiling along with several food carts. The cabin ceiling in a DC-10 is a "drop" ceiling and the passengers and carts went through it. Many of the ceiling tiles were dislodged and were hanging down. One food cart came down in an unoccupied seat. It would have taken some time to repair the aircraft before it could be returned to service.

    • @lindadavies6109
      @lindadavies6109 4 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      It must have been a horrific experience for all of you. Glad you got off that plane and reunited with your family.

    • @watershed44
      @watershed44 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @Andy Garmhausen
      What did the flight crew say about the situation after the captain made the sharp dive? Did he tell you it was a near miss? Man if you were on this plane you need to do a video about it and let people ask you questions. Thanks!
      All the passengers on 182 and 37 were so fortunate. Seems like miracle to me.

    • @andygarmhausen2571
      @andygarmhausen2571 4 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      ​@@watershed44 Yes, the Captain came on the intercom several minutes after the incident and stated that what happened was "an evasive maneuver to avoid another aircraft" and that we would be landing in Detroit in about 20 minutes. We had no idea how close it was although I distinctly remember hearing a loud roar commensurate with the dive. I thought then that it was our engines. Later I began to think it was the sound from the engines of the L-1011.

    • @mikewhipkey6863
      @mikewhipkey6863 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@andygarmhausen2571 well since everyone survived I would say that is a fun story...

    • @MendTheWorld
      @MendTheWorld 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Cool... And your underpants?

  • @bobmillerick300
    @bobmillerick300 4 ปีที่แล้ว +282

    That definitely falls into the "Holy Crap" category.

    • @nzk86384
      @nzk86384 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Holy crap

    • @bandfromtheband9445
      @bandfromtheband9445 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      No F'ING kidding!!! JUST WHAT in the hell were both of those two Flight Crews thinking? "Who's going to make the first Diversion and when"???" "Fun and games"? This is terrifying and

    • @nzk86384
      @nzk86384 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@bandfromtheband9445 and....?

    • @nicholasmcgee8705
      @nicholasmcgee8705 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      More like "HOLY SHIT"

    • @miragesmack007
      @miragesmack007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@bandfromtheband9445 flight crews had nothing to do with this mishap. I am surprised the LA bound plane didn't see the other planes lights though, since his own lights were seen by the other plane.

  • @catherinesophiereese672
    @catherinesophiereese672 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    11/26/2019 - Just saw a retrospective of this near miss on TV; several former passengers and crew of that miraculous flight have kept in touch with the Captain and they all celebrated his 100th Birthday together in 2018. What a Hero! ❤️🙏🏻❤️

  • @martinsloan9785
    @martinsloan9785 4 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Gee wiz, that L1011 is a gorgeous aircraft.

    • @Xenotypal
      @Xenotypal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      my all time favorite. a TWA L-1011 is just a pure classic.

    • @mlpartclub412
      @mlpartclub412 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I can see they don’t fly for commercial airline companies like TWA anymore.

    • @mcburcke
      @mcburcke 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Pilots loved flying it, too. Great aircraft.

    • @Brtt4849
      @Brtt4849 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      L1011 be like Let’s beat up this other tri-jet

    • @vet-7174
      @vet-7174 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Enjoyed flying in one !!

  • @halsavage6806
    @halsavage6806 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Great video-reconstruct of this incident. I was a passenger on this AAL flight that night (seat 2H starboard side) When the dive took place I didn't have my seat belt fastened. I flew up and hit the ceiling panels. After the plane leveled off, there was complete chaos in the cabin. Injured Flight Attendants, and passengers. Overhead luggage compartments opened up from the force of the dive, sewage from the toilets ran down the aisles and seats were bent out of place where people landed on them. For a very well researched and in depth look at the entire event, get a copy of the book titled EBY Master of the Moment, by Bert Herman also a passenger on the flight that night. Also... and call it superstition if you want to ...the Flight Number was 182 and there were exactly 182 passengers on board that night. Great video, please keep up your good work.

    • @emmcee476
      @emmcee476 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for sharing. What were the reactions like, AFTER the announcement was made about what caused the dive?

  • @hshs5756
    @hshs5756 4 ปีที่แล้ว +116

    One of my aircraft mechanic instructors told us a story from his days as a 707 flight engineer for United on cargo flights to Japan. Mid-Pacific they were talking with a sister ship on a return flight 1,000 feet higher, looking for each other, and beginning to joke about whose navigation was off when they didn't see each other. Finally a dot appeared far ahead, and suddenly a 707 flashed overhead. At a closing speed near 1,000 mph, from the time you can see an aircraft coming at you and time it arrives is next to nothing.

    • @HEDGE1011
      @HEDGE1011 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Hs Hs It is. 1,000’ vertical separation in RVSM airspace is now the norm, and indeed from the time you can visually acquire another aircraft moving on the opposite direction until it’s past is quite fast. It does depend on several factors (eg size of the aircraft, sun angle, presence of contrails), but in this case at night in clouds with minimal exterior lighting on the opportunity to see and avoid is minimal at best, especially for the L-1011 pilots given the AA aircraft was below them in what’s effectively a blind spot in the cockpit (and the L-1011 has excellent cockpit visibility compared to other aircraft).

    • @hshs5756
      @hshs5756 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@HEDGE1011 I'm reading Ed Jablonsky's book _Flying Fortress_ now, and a favorite Luftwaffe attack angle is head-on. Even in the days of propeller aircraft, A Focke-Wulf 190 doing 400 and a B-17 doing 350 are closing at 750, not much time for either to get a shot off at the other.

    • @dpeasehead
      @dpeasehead 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@hshs5756 Without a tailwind and a steep nose down attitude a B-17 would be hard put get anywhere near 350 mph. For most of WWII 350 mph was fighter speed, not heavy four engine bomber speed whether the bomber was cruising, or on a bomb run. But yes, you are correct about the fact that the head-on firing pass took nerves of steel and perfect timing if one was to hit the target with ones guns and not with the entire fighter plane. This tactic only became popular with the Luftwaffe because it was the only attack angle which avoided a long, slow and dangerous tail chase straight into the .50 calibers in the tail, and which placed the cockpit, wing fuel tanks, and the engines and their props and oil tanks of a B-17 or B-24 ALL in the kill zone at the same time. For a few fleeting seconds.

    • @hshs5756
      @hshs5756 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dpeasehead You're right, a B-17's top speed at 25,200 ft is only 317 mph www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/B-17/B-17.html so I should have dropped my closing speed number to 717 mph. But I doubt if anyone in that situation shooting at each other could tell the difference.

    • @davidca96
      @davidca96 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Human reaction time simply cannot react fast enough at those speeds, TCAS when used properly is a game changer it pretty much makes these situations a thing of the past thankfully.

  • @tower_studios_dave
    @tower_studios_dave 4 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    Again, thank you for these lesser known non fatal incidents. Fascinating. Keep up the good work my friend

  • @Elle-ho3yg
    @Elle-ho3yg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +194

    Never heard of this one - nicely done my man!

  • @gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043
    @gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I had not heard of this before. How utterly chilling and gut-wrenching! Can’t imagine what those pilots felt when they saw aircraft lights *coming at them* at eye level!
    Interesting reporting on the planes’ futures after that harrowing event, too. Great job as usual, Allec!

    • @watershed44
      @watershed44 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @gomphrena -beautiful flower-
      I bet both the AA pilots were in shock for weeks after this incident. I can't imagine flying and landing after such a shock.

    • @gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043
      @gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      watershed44 • Ditto. Unbelievable no one suffered a heart attack; but glad they didn’t!

    • @Cissy2cute
      @Cissy2cute 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@watershed44 Might have had nightmares about it, too.

  • @Digitallycloned
    @Digitallycloned 4 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    My heart skipped a beat for a second there. Well done!

    • @trafficjon400
      @trafficjon400 ปีที่แล้ว

      after watching lots of airline crashes this one glued me to my seat. Great Job!!

  • @bookeratkins8134
    @bookeratkins8134 4 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    Thank God for that second controller!!

    • @K1OIK
      @K1OIK 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who cares?

    • @bookeratkins8134
      @bookeratkins8134 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@K1OIK ummm.... The souls of the people on the planes possibly??

    • @sPokeySouza
      @sPokeySouza 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@K1OIK are you stupid?

    • @pedrovicnt_
      @pedrovicnt_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@K1OIK shut

    • @K1OIK
      @K1OIK 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pedrovicnt_ what?

  • @hogansavoy6525
    @hogansavoy6525 4 ปีที่แล้ว +250

    Within 100 feet of each other but the pilots of the TWA plane never knew until they landed at LAX?
    WTF?!?!?

    • @watershed44
      @watershed44 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @Hogan Savoy
      Indeed, that's crazy. Perhaps the controller and supervisor believed that informing the crew would have created a lot of extra stress before completing the flight.

    • @aflacduckquack
      @aflacduckquack 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Yah! I mean, the L-1011 pilots could've been looking at something while the DC-10 was approaching, but then it passed within 100'... turbulence, noise, shock wave maybe? Amazing TWA's guys didn't pick up on it. Not that they were responsible for any of it...

    • @austindarrenor
      @austindarrenor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      The video didn't say anything about what caused the damage to the AA DC-10. Might have been if the AA was in a climb and caught jet blast from the L-1011? Would like to have seen it in the vid.

    • @trent3872
      @trent3872 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Both pilots of the AA flight had to buy new under drawers as the old ones were shart in!

    • @billgund4532
      @billgund4532 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Visibility out of the cockpit is notoriously lousy. Coupled with a closing speed of @800 mph and you have mere seconds visually acquire the conflicting traffic, evaluate the potential danger and take appropriate actuation.

  • @BrokebackBob
    @BrokebackBob 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    The ATC tech in Cleveland should have been fired and blacklisted so they could not work in ATC ever again. ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE.

    • @jaimhaas5170
      @jaimhaas5170 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      More evidence of SLOPPY human error that could easily have killed over 600 people. I completely agree with you.

    • @redwingsfan3621
      @redwingsfan3621 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Debbie Kirby It says (he) multiple times, Ms. PC.

    • @redwingsfan3621
      @redwingsfan3621 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Debbie Kirby Political correctness... a cancer on our society.

    • @redwingsfan3621
      @redwingsfan3621 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Halcyon Outlander The term, “Snowflake,” was coined by those who typically abhor political correctness, so that’s an interesting choice of insult for you to use here.

    • @EphemeralProductions
      @EphemeralProductions 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Amen!! I would say that almost letting two planes collide head on just because you wanted to do other stuff or go take a #2 is more than a fireable offense! He's lucky he didn't get slapped with worse than what he got.

  • @ericwicker2223
    @ericwicker2223 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    That was very scary. If the didn't avoid each other. Everyone on both planes would have killed. No telling how many people on the ground would have killed or injured.

    • @oh_no_no_no
      @oh_no_no_no 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not to mention it was just a couple of days before Thanksgiving.

  • @TheAmir259
    @TheAmir259 4 ปีที่แล้ว +161

    So a DC-10 vs an L-1011?
    Also i can safely assume that TCAS wasn't a thing yet at the time

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      TheAmir259 not until after the Aeromexico crash

    • @watershed44
      @watershed44 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @TheAmir259
      It was a long way off really. You have to remember too that there were a LOT less commercial planes in the air back then especially in the USA so in theory it wasn't as critical except for when it is.

    • @philipthomas6808
      @philipthomas6808 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      No, TCAS did not happen until the 80's...

    • @barefooboy17
      @barefooboy17 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      After PSA 182 mid air collision in San Diego did TCAS really be used and required

    • @Hopeless_and_Forlorn
      @Hopeless_and_Forlorn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      TCAS was mandated to go into operation in 1992, which it did. The technology of the time was barely adequate--early TCAS onboard computers used two 486 processors to make it happen. Also, the Mode S transponder made coordination of maneuvers between airplanes possible, but TCAS can recognize any A/C transponder and avoid those reporting altitude. If enacted today, an airborne anti-collison system would doubtless use ADS-B and GPS, but the TCAS-transponder system has proven itself effective many times. I do not think we will ever know how many incidents it has prevented.

  • @cantgetright_24_7
    @cantgetright_24_7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Hey man. I read your comment earlier about flight school. I've been watching your videos forever now and I am really happy for you. You seem very passionate about flying and I am glad that you will get to experience it! I'm sure you'll do great.

  • @watershed44
    @watershed44 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    *Seemed that this L1011 was star crossed, creepy how almost ten years later it has another incident but yet all the passengers survived in both. Miracles do happen.*

    • @TenorCantusFirmus
      @TenorCantusFirmus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The miracle was the one done by the designers of the plane, all the lethal crashes of the TriStar I know about had been due to such a chain of errors and misbehaviours you'd say it was done on purpose, just to know how further might you've pushed it because it was too much to handle.

    • @rapman5363
      @rapman5363 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      watershed44 the first incident was 1975 the second was 1992 so 17 years apart. Js

    • @watershed44
      @watershed44 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Richard Speranza
      Correct, I kept thinking I remember the video saying 1984...thanks.
      In any case still a weird coincidence about the fact that two serious incidents happened and NO ONE was seriously injured or killed.

    • @watershed44
      @watershed44 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @TenorCantusFirmus
      So you are saying that any crash of the L-1011 was the result of
      flyboy or top gun antics of the pilots? wow. I suppose anything is possible though because I agree that the 1011 was probably one of the safest large commercial aviation craft ever produced until this very day!!!!!

    • @TheSjuris
      @TheSjuris 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      watershed44 also extremely expensive to the point that it cost too much money for it to be a relevant airplane.

  • @georgemallory797
    @georgemallory797 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love that music during the post flight investigation analysis. It really evokes emotion and a sense of human fallibility.

  • @StevenBanks123
    @StevenBanks123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    As a result did the ATC have his “World’s Best Dad” coffee mug taken away or something... anything?

  • @aflacduckquack
    @aflacduckquack 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Nice vid, Allec! I'd never heard of this incident. Reminds me of that Japan Air one where the 747 and DC-10 almost collided. You'd think this mess-up would've gotten them to develop TCAS. Guess not. Everyone lived- that's what matters. Good job by the AA pilot to act speedily...

    • @K1OIK
      @K1OIK 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      What did you do with the time you saved not typing eo?

    • @atomstarfireproductions8695
      @atomstarfireproductions8695 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They had TCAS, but the 747 TCAS commanded to climb, but ATC commanded to descend, and the pilots descended. The DC-10 TCAS commanded to descend, so the pilots descended.

    • @smartysmarty1714
      @smartysmarty1714 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@K1OIK: Now THAT was funny! Just like the morons that type "n" for "and"..... annoys the hell out of me...

    • @miragesmack007
      @miragesmack007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Reminds me more of the Bashkirian Airlines collision with the DHL cargo plane over Germany, where ATC let them collide, but pilots were confused between their last second ATC commands vs what TCAS was telling them to do. Had the second plane been ordered to ascend, would they have done it for sure?

    • @K1OIK
      @K1OIK 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@smartysmarty1714 They try to be so cool and that their time is so much more valuable they must use abbreviations

  • @vernonthiede8439
    @vernonthiede8439 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was on a TWA L-1011 out of STL in 1973 on the way to LA when about halfway along there was the sounds of "oohs and Ahh's" as an American DC-10 passed by us about 1 mile to our south and about 1000' higher going the other way. First time I had ever seen another airplane at cruise. Later we passed a forest fire over Arizona and the Captain pointed it out banking left so passengers got a good view and banking right to correct. He did that at least three times. Those were the good old days! I was only 10 years old and so fascinated!

  • @canaan_perry
    @canaan_perry 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I always have my belt on unless I need a toilet break. Scary stuff.

  • @Destroythenavel
    @Destroythenavel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I remember when this happened. It was the Wednesday before Thanksgiving 1975.

  • @dianeschroeder3980
    @dianeschroeder3980 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    That ATC should have been fired! Great video!👍❤️✈️

  • @jimmyb8060
    @jimmyb8060 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    When I flew to the Philippines, as I was looking out the window, I saw a jet coming at us, and it was FAST. But it was definitely 1000 feet or so, below us. It's just that if it was at, or near, the same altitude as us, reaction time to evade was EXTREMELY limited. Very good video, Allec.

    • @5roundsrapid263
      @5roundsrapid263 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’ve seen that several times while in flight. Now that there’s TCAS, it’s not as risky.

    • @HEDGE1011
      @HEDGE1011 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      JimmyB In RVSM airspace 1,000 feet vertically is all that’s required for IFR separation. Rarely do I fly a leg that there isn’t someone crossing out with me 1000’ above or below.

  • @cantgetright_24_7
    @cantgetright_24_7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It would be cool if somebody did a channel like yours but about ships and ship disasters.

  • @Michael500ca
    @Michael500ca 4 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    The pilot's underwear did not survive.

    • @hmshood9212
      @hmshood9212 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Code Brown

    • @smartysmarty1714
      @smartysmarty1714 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@hmshood9212: "BED PAN BED PAN BED PAN !!!"

    • @Xenotypal
      @Xenotypal 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@smartysmarty1714 "ID LIKE TO DECLARE AN EMERGENCY"

  • @johnwatson3948
    @johnwatson3948 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was when my dad was flying DC-10s for AA but don’t recall him mentioning this - he was slightly older than this captain and flying the coveted Caribbean routes instead of coast to coast.

  • @patton303
    @patton303 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I flew on the L-1011 many times as a kid and teenager. It is my favorite commercial aircraft of all time.
    Beautiful and spacious too. Lots of leg room. Now we do Philly to Orlando in a boring A-319 while being slowly crushed to death and smelling the Pantene on the person in front of you.

  • @sharronunger7053
    @sharronunger7053 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Seeing a plane coming at me in mid air....I cannot imagine.

    • @watershed44
      @watershed44 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Sharron Unger
      Indeed, so little time to react. I'm sure the capt, F.O. saw their lives flash before them!!!!!

  • @spensert4933
    @spensert4933 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    "I'd check on that."

    • @38911bytefree
      @38911bytefree 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Let me grab a ruler to take the distance in inches

    • @allgrainbrewer10
      @allgrainbrewer10 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The other plane was at his assigned level sir. YOU were the one at the incorrect altitude. SMH

    • @joeseeking3572
      @joeseeking3572 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Anyone who can manage that level of understatement after such an experience has my respect!

    • @Vacaneu
      @Vacaneu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@allgrainbrewer10 no he wasn't lmao

  • @briancarno8837
    @briancarno8837 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    another well thought out and interesting video...I hope ypour making some money for all this hard work

  • @moiraatkinson
    @moiraatkinson 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nicely done as always. It must have been a terrifying experience!

  • @sharonrose7938
    @sharonrose7938 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting & informative video! Thank you, Allec.

  • @mariauzcategui5347
    @mariauzcategui5347 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm glad to see both planes avoided the mid-air crash!

  • @pauldevenish
    @pauldevenish 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another fantastic video Allec. There's another mid-air collision that's kind of gone un-noticed really. A BEA Trident collided with an Inex-Adria Aviopromet DC-9 over Yugoslavia in 1976. Be good to see that if you need any ideas for further video's

  • @timduggan1962
    @timduggan1962 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's important to note, for non-pilots? Back in that day it was before what we call "Mode-C' altitude reporting by the transponders to the ATC RADAR. Also, WAY before GPS accuracy, which includes both lateral AND vertical info. ALSO before TCAS...One more thing? Above FL 230 (or 23,000 feet) in the U.S. we operated with a minimum of 2,000 feet vertical separation, and this was accomplished by using certain altitudes, whether mostly Eastbound or Westbound. Nowadays? We comply with (because of better more accurate pitot-static systems, more modern) with 1,000 foot separation standards, EVEN when above 23,000 (FL230). Courses that are mostly Westbound use EVEN altitude numbers, Eastbound Odd numbers. This has been a tradition for decades. Private/Student pilots learn this...except when they fly VFR at lower altitudes, this is why they cruise at 500-foot intervals.

  • @zombiealive648
    @zombiealive648 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The real event of DC-10 vs L-1011

    • @Xenotypal
      @Xenotypal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      imagine liking a DC-10 over an L-1011.

    • @Kaboomboo
      @Kaboomboo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Love the pfp

  • @barbarakratsios7836
    @barbarakratsios7836 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What! That initial Air Traffic Controller ASSUMED that he could prevent a possible collision! The second controller's quick action was a touch of divine intervention.

  • @goodfella2400
    @goodfella2400 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Two of the most beautiful aircraft you’ll ever see.

    • @kirilmihaylov1934
      @kirilmihaylov1934 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can't see them anymore

    • @adrianpeters2413
      @adrianpeters2413 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Goodfella.....NO....

    • @goodfella2400
      @goodfella2400 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Neither of you have any taste. Just 737/A320s and McDonalds... 🙄

    • @adrianpeters2413
      @adrianpeters2413 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@goodfella2400 Thank you for your assumption there, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I assume (see what I did there?) You have not looked at Concorde and the V.C.10 .

    • @sanddabz5635
      @sanddabz5635 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kirilmihaylov1934 So whats that mean??? When a Rainbow disappears it isn't pretty anymore?

  • @angelitonavarro2747
    @angelitonavarro2747 ปีที่แล้ว

    the most relieving video in this guy's channel

  • @johngates450
    @johngates450 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Unbelievable! ..Life is so very precious..So glad all survived..
    Well done video ..Thank you!

  • @bt10ant
    @bt10ant 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Another good reason to keep that seat belt on.....

  • @DomQuartuccio
    @DomQuartuccio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Can't say I was aware of this one, great video!

  • @watchgoose
    @watchgoose 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    good one, Allec.

  • @jbb8382
    @jbb8382 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great work !

  • @user-mp9rd4hg8b
    @user-mp9rd4hg8b 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The L-1011 was evidently cursed. Considering the odds of a commercial aircraft crashing are extremely low. And this one was nearly destroyed once and finally destroyed later.

  • @JoshuasPHXAviation
    @JoshuasPHXAviation 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Awesome Allec!👍👍

  • @shariys1
    @shariys1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    You know what they say about ASS-U-ME ... and that would have been a collision over downriver Detroit, a heavily populated area. Damn, I shudder to think ... 😱

    • @aeb1barfo
      @aeb1barfo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Like 2X that Bronx crash.

    • @Steve197201
      @Steve197201 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think both planes would be vaporized. The only thing people on the ground would see is little pieces fluttering to the ground.

    • @Xenotypal
      @Xenotypal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Steve197201 JET FUEL CANT MELT STEEL ENGINES

    • @InteriorDesignStudent
      @InteriorDesignStudent 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      facepalm

  • @ianlucamuresanu131
    @ianlucamuresanu131 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Allec.. youre still uploading... man, ive watched you since i was 7 ... never thought you still uploaded, great job and, have a nice day:)

  • @goodfella2400
    @goodfella2400 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Two of the most beautiful aircraft designs ever built. Great job providing the history of each ship, post near miss.

  • @cherripaterson6066
    @cherripaterson6066 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks Allec for another great video. that was a pretty close call. two planes coming within 100 feet of each other.

  • @AV4Life
    @AV4Life 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Exactly why the only time my seatbelt is coming off is if I’m walking to the bathroom.

  • @JoeAriminvm
    @JoeAriminvm ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pardon my ignorance but what is that brown section on the fuselage at 8:06?

  • @vet-7174
    @vet-7174 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Channel 🖒

  • @gabriel.melnek
    @gabriel.melnek 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks, Josh.

  • @ThatBobGuy850
    @ThatBobGuy850 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great video, Allec!
    8:15 Air Force One! (the old one, anyway)

  • @baraxor
    @baraxor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The words "Flight 182" and "mid-air incident" makes me think immediately of San Diego. RIP the victims.
    On a lighter note, this video reminded me of a editorial cartoon from the early 1980s, when collision avoidance was finally getting a serious look by the aviation industry after near-misses like this one, and tragic actual collisions: passengers in the cabin are looking out their windows in terror, while one of them says "how come that flight gets steak and we only get chicken?!"

  • @gmeena1
    @gmeena1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It's good that only the pilot of one plane reacted, had both pilots reacted in the same manner i.e pushing the yokes in same direction, i think a mid air collision would have occured.

    • @julosx
      @julosx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It would have been pretty much like the Überlingen collision in 2002 if you ask me.

  • @MorganBrown
    @MorganBrown 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    8:06 what the heck did Raytheon do to this bird?

    • @roblaa3198
      @roblaa3198 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I know what the hell was that

    • @MorganBrown
      @MorganBrown 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@roblaa3198 www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/wasp.htm "Widebody Airborne Sensor Platform (WASP) is an airborne system housed in a modified DC-10. It has ultra high frequency satellite communication and performs target acquisition and tracking." Pretty sure this is what they were doing

    • @MendTheWorld
      @MendTheWorld 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Morgan Brown Yowsa!!

  • @Urlocallordandsavior
    @Urlocallordandsavior 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rip Captain Eby, who died at the age of 102 in July 2021.

  • @diogopinto9462
    @diogopinto9462 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I remember when I was a kid back in the 90's I was sleeping on the floor and some other aeroplane flew over us, we heard it ..

  • @tony.bickert
    @tony.bickert 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    had to go to comment section to find out about the damage and injury details from what i assume was the swift descent. no mention in the video captions. thanks andy g.

  • @robhill9336
    @robhill9336 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Considering it was a DC-10, I'm surprised the plane didn't somehow ignore the captian's inputs and then crash right into the TWA plane.

  • @dx1450
    @dx1450 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Legend has it that controller, after this incident, went on to keep screwing up orders in the McDonald's drive thru.

  • @shywolfgames5782
    @shywolfgames5782 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Imagine if both of the planes pitched downwards to avoid it

  • @neilherrera5497
    @neilherrera5497 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank god that everyone on board American flight 182 and TWA flight 37 survived. If the American DC-10 pilot's didn't respond when they saw a L-1011 in front of their own eyes. It would be a huge mid-air disaster and everyone on board and including TWA flight 37 perished. It was one of the earliest mid-air incidents way before 2002 Uberlingen Mid-Air Collision that everyone on board perished.

    • @rapman5363
      @rapman5363 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Neil Herrera it was actually the ATC who first saw the two planes approaching each other and ordered AA182 to lower the aircraft to 330.

    • @TheSjuris
      @TheSjuris 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Richard Speranza while the TWA also decided to descend.

  • @nitramluap
    @nitramluap 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I wonder what stories the aircraft we fly on have to tell...

  • @jeanfish7
    @jeanfish7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank God the pilots and crew were so experienced

  • @christophermclean3921
    @christophermclean3921 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question: while flying from West Palm Beach to NY I’m looking out the window . It’s a clear day. I see another jet plane going opposite way. I thought that it was kind of close. It was a bit lower. And maybe 5 hundred feet away. What constitutes too close?

    • @JKevinBrady801
      @JKevinBrady801 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Standard verticle sepration 1000 feet - it can look a lot closer

  • @alastairmurray5225
    @alastairmurray5225 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I often wonder how many times near misses occur and how many go unreported. About six years ago I was on an Aer Lingus flight from Dublin to Berlin and while idly looking out the window somewhere over Europe I saw a speck approach and in a flash another aircraft had passed beneath us . I’m fairly good with distance and I’m guessing we were separated by about 200 feet , I was able to see the pilot for a nano second as he passed beneath. I gave an involuntary gasp as the two aircraft passed and the guys in the seats in front of me and behind me asked if I had seen what they had as they too believed we’d had a near miss . I didn’t say anything to any cabin crew as they were busy and most likely would have been unaware of anything untoward and so I just left it . For months afterwards I searched the CAA website for reports of near misses involving my flight but found nothing , however, I was slightly perturbed by the number of actual reported near misses involving other flights.

  • @timmy841212
    @timmy841212 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Talk about a close call. 😳

  • @htos1av
    @htos1av 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was great! No one hurt and a complete ending. Excellent!

    • @pacmult
      @pacmult 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      31 injuries including all 10 flight attendants.

  • @solomonpilot2510
    @solomonpilot2510 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    THANK GOD BOTH SISTERS AVOIDED MID AIR COLLISION AND THX 4 POSTING !

  • @grosskopf2779
    @grosskopf2779 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Was there some firing as far as Air Traffic Control?

  • @notthegreekpi7331
    @notthegreekpi7331 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good job. What flight simulator do you use? For example, I’ll start doing crash animations in a while with X-Plane, but do you use FSX or what? Also, how did you get the L1011 to be on your route and/or viceversa. Was it multiplayer or something? Anyway, whilst I don’t really like the simulator’s cockpit design, I have to say you edit very well 👏 good job 👍!

  • @SeksithSunthon
    @SeksithSunthon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is a 2 jumbo trijet near collision in mid-air 2 plane was just 3 year-old

  • @emre833
    @emre833 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    at 4:25 I think my heart stopped for a moment
    I am so glad that everybody survived

    • @pacmult
      @pacmult 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too!

  • @cindysavage265
    @cindysavage265 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My 5th grade teacher always said “When you assume, you make an ‘ass’ of ‘u’ and ‘me’”. I have always tried to life my life by that truth. True in 1974, true today

    • @MrSnout5
      @MrSnout5 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Another way of putting it is 'Assumption is the mother of all f**kups!'

    • @terryofford4977
      @terryofford4977 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brilliant, I like it, Politicians are full of Assumptions, Remember that at your next election program

  • @torgeirbrandsnes1916
    @torgeirbrandsnes1916 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vlog as always! Have you done the BEA Trident and Adria DC-9 over Yugoslavia in 1974? There was a movie made. I have seen it here on YT.

  • @andrewthomas5348
    @andrewthomas5348 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow, that was frightening. Never assume.

  • @loumac2955
    @loumac2955 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Human error, the two most frightening words in commercial aviation. The controller who almost sent over 300 people to a horrible death probably wasn't fired because of a strong labor union that President Reagan would later destroy. I used to love the livery of TWA at that time, especially on that plane. Classic. Great video as usual!

  • @bazza945
    @bazza945 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is really interesting about these two aircraft is the were the first of the wide bodied type and were in direct competition for the same market.

  • @michaelwier1222
    @michaelwier1222 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video. Good choice of music.

  • @333anders6
    @333anders6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ibay is the master!!

  • @benjaminshields5833
    @benjaminshields5833 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel like the music is very effective in these videos . So weird how the L1011 was destroyed in an accident years later.

  • @mogwaifan7094
    @mogwaifan7094 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the airplane graveyard beside the dc10 is a Boeing 707 in airforce styling. Is that a former airforce 1 plane? Curious

  • @Daniela-Christianson
    @Daniela-Christianson 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Phew! So thankful these two planes didn't collide! That was scary just watching it all these years later.

  • @CarminesRCTipsandTricks
    @CarminesRCTipsandTricks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A DC-10 incident that WASN'T the Aircraft's fault!!! 😲
    Seriously, outstanding Airmanship by that Crew! That's the kind of seat-of-the-pants Flying that's too rare in the Fly by the book ONLY that many Pilots rely on.

  • @kekkelpenneypeckeltoot5700
    @kekkelpenneypeckeltoot5700 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can you insert the actual
    ATC recordings in these? When we hear the voices it makes it much better imo. You do make great videos, adding the actual
    Conversation would make them superb!

    • @stanislavkostarnov2157
      @stanislavkostarnov2157 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I do not think it is digitally recorded, or even recorded at all anywhere today (recording was much harder back then)

    • @fz7091
      @fz7091 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You have to remember that for some crashes and incidents the cvr are not released to the public domain.

    • @kekkelpenneypeckeltoot5700
      @kekkelpenneypeckeltoot5700 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      fai_f I understand that. I’m only asking for when they’re available to insert them.

  • @tungstenkid2271
    @tungstenkid2271 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The first controller saw the collision course but forgot to mention it to the new controller, what could go wrong?..Luckily the new controller was on the ball and spotted it and ordered an immediate descent..
    I'm sure the first controller will make lots of friends in the dole queue.

    • @rongants6082
      @rongants6082 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nope. Government job, he probably got promoted, then filed a PTSD claim and retired with disability.

  • @frankparker4151
    @frankparker4151 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why didnt each plane bank to its respective right rather than trying to leap frog over another?

  • @sanddabz5635
    @sanddabz5635 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We set our clock in Ocean Beach Ca........you knew it was about noon, when a Delta L10-11 came screaming over looking for the Pacific.

  • @theresechristiansen9769
    @theresechristiansen9769 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This landed in my 'recommended for you' as "Bad Ass." I thought "wha?"

  • @jaimhaas5170
    @jaimhaas5170 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What damage was done to the plane? You say at the end it was "repaired" and put back in service but you never mentioned any damage.

    • @planeflight1202
      @planeflight1202 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ThweThe agressive dive probably caused minor damage.

    • @hunterneitzel3012
      @hunterneitzel3012 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The ceiling of the cabin is made of panels in a dc10, so the tiles were knocked out of place by the passengers going airborne into the ceiling

    • @HEDGE1011
      @HEDGE1011 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      jaim haas It’s all in the NTSB report.
      www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR7603.pdf

  • @allgrainbrewer10
    @allgrainbrewer10 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    You’re cleared Flight Level 370. Meh. I do what I want, when I want.

    • @HEDGE1011
      @HEDGE1011 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Larry John What? The pilots involved were all complying with the clearances they had been issued.

    • @allgrainbrewer10
      @allgrainbrewer10 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      HEDGE1011 really? Did he ever get to his assigned flight level?

    • @HEDGE1011
      @HEDGE1011 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Larry John He never got to FL370 because he was still climbing to it when the incident occurred...which was in compliance with the clearance he’d been given.

    • @allgrainbrewer10
      @allgrainbrewer10 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      HEDGE1011 so it’s back to my original post. Meh. I’ll get there when I get there. It is unclear from this video if he took longer than normal. From the controllers reaction, he’s climbing too slow. Hence the title Bad Assumptions

    • @HEDGE1011
      @HEDGE1011 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Larry John Again, all pilots were operating within the clearances issued by ATC. That there was a controller error here is not in doubt.

  • @lindadavies6109
    @lindadavies6109 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Allec. Another white knuckled, edge of the seat, didn't see that one coming, both literally and figuratively! Excellent vid. Well done!
    Greetings from South Africa 👋🇿🇦

    • @K1OIK
      @K1OIK 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What did you do with the time you saved not typing eo?

    • @ThatIsALakeSir
      @ThatIsALakeSir 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Another 4 year old comment.. with a person nitpicking about there being no “eo” in “vid”. Seriously, why the fuck.

  • @landtuna8061
    @landtuna8061 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The aircraft "boneyard" mentioned in this video is Davis-Monthan AFB.

    • @Catcrumbs
      @Catcrumbs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, that's what it said in the video. Well done.

    • @nommadd5758
      @nommadd5758 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Catcrumbs : The video referred to the AFB as "David-Motham", not Davis-Monthan. "Well done."

  • @monkey-trial...6578
    @monkey-trial...6578 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the way this guy shows the biography of the actual aircraft. When she was born, how she lived and how she retired or in this case died. The crawl went too fast to read what happened to the ATC . I think I would have fired him and or made him relearn it properly. I'm gathering he was a bit beyond it though, he assumed too much and too 9ften. It's always in the ' great assumption ' when things go badly wrong. I'm amazed at how many people do it! In every seminar or course on how to do business you're cautioned strongly against assuming. It's just so stupid.

  • @scottjohnson1640
    @scottjohnson1640 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    If I was the air traffic controller I'd probably quit after something like that.

    • @jeffcoat1959
      @jeffcoat1959 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And hopefully not end up like Peter Nielsen.

    • @niceguy60
      @niceguy60 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jeffcoat1959
      That was cold man

    • @watershed44
      @watershed44 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Scott Johnson
      Indeed, I would have personally written letters of apology to all the passengers, flight crew and co-workers and never set foot in a tower ever again. I would never forget the potential catastrophic event I might have put into motion.