Brings back a lot of memories. Two of us were released from driving duties to be the cameramen for this and many other training films at that time. Great crew to work with and great fun to do. Made directly for the then British Rail Board as in house training.
We watched this video today on a signalling course run by Phil Graham and Alan Lewis. I'm coming in from not having much knowledge on the subject at all - it's very fascinating!
I've watched this video about 20 times now. I'm currently going through the process of being trained as a signalman on a local preservation steam railway. This video is very informative. Has helped greatly
This is actually a very useful guide that doesn't talk down to its audience. And some good filming, particularly good views inside signalboxes. And a nice variety of traction, including an interesting glimpse of an MOD shunter in action.
The rag, or "duster" is used both to keep the brightwork on the levers shiny and to maximize grip on the metal. It's an old tradition for signallers to keep the signal box and its equipment clean and shiny as a matter of pride. The very best had everything, including the floor, absolutely spotless.
@@agentx7138 A nice touch to be sure, most of the ones I've seen were usually plain, or had some stitching on them from the railway company, "B.R." "GWR", etc.
uk domestic sparky here, with family history of railway (dad worked for BREL Eastleigh, southern region, as an electrician). Got a customer who is a train driver for south western railway, but a total geek of railways, i will share this with him. If i have already done so by the time you read this, Hi Colin
I spent my first 11 years living in a house that backed on to the line just opposite Aylesbury signal box at 30:35 I always wondered what is like inside. I used to love watching those trains. The bloody loud 37's that occasionally rumbled past were my favourite.
35:58 - I wonder what that chap is doing at this exact moment in time, 32 years on here in 2021? He almost certainly has no idea that we're sitting here watching his 1989 self all these years on. Probably has no idea that he ever appeared (and appears) in a BR film. Strange world we live in...
Don’t have any knowledge yet have applied for Signaller lvl 7 and passed first 3 assessments, next is Interview and very anxious, my english is very good but not native so dunno if I will pass
I'm actually a signalman, but from middle europe where train signalling is mostly different. But I'm always interested in "how it's done" in other countries
An excellent summary of BR signalling systems showing some brilliant footage of pre-modernisation Chiltern Line, with Wycombe South's centre-pivoted signal arms and the once very long lever frame at Risborough North. And the Tonbridge-Hastings line boxes are nearly all memories now.
+Niall101a It's designed for those of us who work in signalling. some of us find it interesting, if we work in this field. If you find it boring, don't watch it.
Track Circuits are not something that you want terrorists to know about. If 2 track Circuits are connected together by a pair of wires crossed over, cause a false clear, trains will crash into each other.
I was an instructor at the Southern Region Training School, South Side (Waterloo) from 1977 until privatisation. We used to show this film during the Rules part of the trainee driver (MP12) courses. (Under privatisation, I went to the Connex South-Eastern Training Centre at London Bridge - until voluntary severance beckoned!). The narrator in the film(s) also worked at South Side for a period. He also filmed and narrated many route-learning videos. He had been a Driver, Signaller, had a model shop and small film company. Pleasure to go to work in BR days!
It sure was. I was cameraman/recordist on those films released from train driving along with another driver from the Southern to work producing these films. Best years of my train driver career learn so much about other departments.
MiniHulk69 No it's not so much a case of PC but also there are not as much % of the population smoking now (smoking leaves horrid smells and stains which I've seen and experienced as an ex smoker myself) along with litigious bullshit. But if 60% are non smokers why should they have to put up with the rank smell from the 40%? When I was doing car parts deliveries for a company years ago we had the cars shuffled around and worked out so that the smokers had certain cars they shared and non-smokers shared certain cars to stop this dispute and it worked well. Each was assigned a car they were responsible for and were never swapped out for this reason. It meant the non smokers had no smell and the smokers didn't have the bitching about the smell.
***** I see your point. Thing is with me is I don't smoke, but been bought up with smokers. IMO, if someone wants to smoke around me, do it. I dont care. If I'm going to get a "smoke related" illness I'll get one regardless if I smoke or not. Plus, I never have liked being told what I can and cannot do. I do things my way lol :p
MiniHulk69 I understand what you mean. I'm not so fussed about people smoking near me in the open air but in enclosed spaces I cannot stand the smell (since I was a smoker myself once it is now even worse for me) and it's more the smell and shitty coating left behind that would offend me. Out in the yard I wouldn't give two hoots.
@@minihulk69 Even if you are against political correctness, a smoking restriction is helping everybody. You have a right to smoke, as long as the smoke is not hurting others. A shared locomotive cab violates the above rule.
The English-Style Signalling and Communication System also had widely practiced in many Commonwealth Nations including Malaysia, India, and much more. Malayan Railway used Anglo-Indian Signalling and Communication Style.
Semaphores, and the Block System that is associated with them, have worked well for over a hundred years and are still in use in some places as has been mentioned. Accidents did occur (Cowden was mentioned), but were almost always the result of driver error in passing signals at danger, or of signalmen forgetting a train was standing at their signals and accepting another one in the belief that the line was clear, a situation remedied in more modern times by the provision of interlocked track circuiting. Rule 55 requires traincrew to contact the signalman to remind him of their presence at a signal if they are there for more than 5 minutes (2 if there is a tunnel in the section or during fog or falling snow). Signalmen had 'collars', rings which could be placed over a lever to prevent it's being unlocked and pulled, which they used as reminders; the practice was for the collars to be left in place until a lever was used, and replaced afterwards. No system in which humans play a part is immune from accidents caused by human error (or deliberate malice!), yet we still insist that trains are driven by drivers, aircraft flown by pilots, and ships steered by helmsmen under a captain's order...
I agree that human error is the cause of most mishaps but computers have very little ability to detect things like vehicles over crossings or some drunken fool fallen on the track so catch 22 but I think human drivers are still the best.
Sadly, Glen, car drivers playing chicken (or committing suicide) on crossings and drunken fools falling under trains are all too often detected too late for effective avoidance by human drivers as well. Outright stupidity of this sort will defeat any safety regime, although automated trains fitted with a radar or similar system to detect obstacles like cars or drunks might be able to respond quicker than a human driver, especially in poor visibility. An absoulutely foolproof system seems impossible to achieve, but there are immense benefits in trying...
John Richards It's hard to weigh the loss of jobs vs the gain of the auto system as well. Catch22. And with no driver, if something fails and it's a diesel your screwed (at least electrics can have the overheads turned off.
Fair point, but I was commenting on human reluctance to trust safe automated systems when the alternative of fallible human control and decision making is available. It is, as Mr Spock would point out, illogical, captain, yet I would entirely subscribe to it and prefer vehicles in which I am riding to have an apparently competent human in charge of them, and in fact would really rather be in control myself as I do not trust anyone else. Driverless cars will be the norm in less than a few decades; how will our deluded egos cope with that! A remotely controlled diesel running away is a nightmare scenario, sho 'nuff, but not beyond the wit of man to solve as a problem...
John Richards Automation isn't really full proof, there have been cases where automation has failed in an uncontrolled environment. Even though human errors are a factor, they're really the only flexible link in the chain where if something goes wrong, they're normally the ones who try to rectify the problem. For example: In planes automation is dictated by sensors which detect the "angle of attack", lift and heading. If one of those sensors somehow freezes up, the automatic system would get confused and send the plane in an unpredictable direction or pitch. In this situation, the pilot may get confused with what the automation is telling the plane to do and thus, automation may cause the plane to crash due to faulty readings from the sensors. The thing is, I feel that eliminating the human factor would present a greater risk to passenger safety then having one in there. I like it when the computer aids the driver in doing a task (like autopilot and many of these safety devices presented in the video), but I sometimes worry if we are providing too much control to the computer in terms of automation and automated vehicles.
Flashing yellow approach junctions: The rules have since changed, in that when the next signal after the junction is at danger the flashers cannot show and it's standard (steady yellows) approach release. Followed the SPaD and collision at Colwich (Staffs) and a couple of other incidents where drivers misread aspect sequences and believed they 'had the road beyond the signal after the junction and not just through the junction. Since this film Britain has also 'reinvented' splitting distant signals, to give drivers better information about the state of the line through junctions ahead and aspects at signals beyond them.
I had exactly that last night where I was not given flashing yellows for the junction being set as usual due to the section of track beyond it being occupied. I only got the junc ind when right on top of it.
@@ulysees08 Thanks. IMO it's a vital safeguard against 'around the corner' SPaD esp where 99% of the time that signal is off. In my day there was a SPaD at Wootton Bassett where driver had got the flasher but didn't register that the main jn sig stayed at yellow plus feather. The next signal was protecting a head-on move (potential 115mph closing speed) through a crossover only just beyond the overlap. Fortunately the train pulled up short....
@@ulysees08 Whilst on, also reminds me that some flasher locations in 4aspect areas had overlapping sequences whereby a given signal could flash either single or double yellow depending on which junction ahead was set and feathered. Again this was potentially confusing for drivers and so were retrospectively banned. Newton Abbot East was one that springs to mind.
@@jess.hawkins there's one video where they were both in it holding a conversation. I think it's the one about the three step brake. I commented "top 10 anime crossovers" lol.
Good evening, some single track museum railways in the United Kingdom are still operated with staff or token blocks although all their stations are equipped not only with home signals but also with departure signals (generally "railway semaphore signals" with arms positioned at 45º in the dial lower or in the upper quadrant to communicate to the driver that the way is clear). It is therefore not clear to me the need to have a staff or token block in the presence of starting signals. In other words, the signals that authorize the sending of trains in the opposite direction along the single track section could not be interconnected with each other in order to avoid head-on collisions as well as pile-ups as happens on double-track lines equipped with "Absolute block" ? If I remember correctly, the intermediate railway stations of the lines operated with the "Radio Electronic Token Block" do not have departure signals, except the "Stop Board". Grateful for the attention given to me, I would like to take this opportunity to extend cordial and sincere regards
Which means those original signal boxes are still serving their purpose and handling their current traffic levels properly, and as the saying goes, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
"In 1948 there were approximately 10,000 signal boxes; by 2012 this had reduced to about 500. National Rail has plans to concentrate control at twelve centres by 2040, decommissioning most of the remaining mechanical signal boxes by 2025." -Wikipedia on signal boxes that are still listed as buildings in England
Fantastic, however at 10:30 the Commentator wants to explain the "sequence", of the 4 Colour light and the 3 Colour light displays, but the video is only looking at one signal so the Commentators sequence is describing not the view of the camera but only one possible view of the driver's multiple signals, which is going to confuse anyone. From the *Signal's* point of view and of someone watching one signal ie the video watcher, the correct sequence is for 4 Lights are G, R, Y, Y/Y, G --- 3 lights are, G, R, Y, G. From the *drivers* point of view it is different BUT only IF you are catching up to the train ahead, then you would see G, Y/Y, Y and R from 4 or more different signals as you close up to the train ahead.
When I was at VSC Clapham Junction, had a very high failure rate, ASE had to be paid off, replacement was to be sacked in 6 months time with chief signal engineers unless failure rate dropped, bought in man from Stanley led a task force team, he reduced failure rate.
Heh, you haven't seen the explanations for how the different brake systems work, you've got Airbrakes (Train Brakes), Emergency brakes, Engine brakes, Dynamic brakes, Independent Brakes, Bail-off and Magnetic Brakes, at least that's how many I can name!
@@ramblingrob4693yep, I’m not a driver or involved in the industry, but I agree. I want my train drivers paid well for shuttling hundreds of people around in a big metal tube. Same for airline pilots
My idea is to make one big long train that stops at all stations because it is so long everyone can use the same train and no other train is there to crash into it.
In the case of a normal-length train, that's called a slow service, and is usually only provided when a line is divided into fast and slow lines. And I get where you're going, but might such a train occupy more than one block at one time, need tens of kilometres to come to an emergency stop, and have to be divided into pieces to fit into a depot to be maintained?
@@david-stewart That would be impractical, because then every car would have to be stopped at every station, and it would massively slow the service down.
@@denelson83 I think somebody did exactly this for a baggage conveyor or moving walkway or something. Every car has some headway. When it reaches a station, the car stops and the headway gets taken up. When the car departs, it quickly accelerates to a faster speed then re-establishes the headway. See also the ThyssenKrupp Express Walkway, it's a moving walkway that goes fast in the middle and then slows down at the ends to a safe entry/exit speed.
Where do people find these videos and is there some way of finding info about the videos ie music used or other information not shown in the "credits" at the end?
I remember standing in the middle of the junction wiith a bit of wire to bridge the track circuits so as get the signal to operate. Felt rather insecure doing that on such a busy line. (before anyone says it we had a chief signal engineer with us and coms the box).
I like to think of the double and single yellow signals as a prompt to slow to two-thirds or one-third of maximum track speed respectively. Searchlight-type signals which use LED luminaires are becoming more prevalent on British railways. Banner repeater signals can also use LEDs, in which case, their off indications are distinguishable between caution and clear aspects. The distinction is a white display for a caution aspect, and a green display for a clear. Banner repeaters that do not make this distinction instead defer it to the AWS. Banner repeater ID plates carry the identification of the signals they repeat, followed by the letters "BR". A variant of the banner repeater used primarily on platform lines is an "OFF" display, which only illuminates if the platform starting signal immediately in advance of it is not at danger. This is for the benefit of the guard of a train as a further safeguard against a so-called "ding-ding and away" SPAD, so that the guard can wait until he or she sees the "OFF" indication before signalling the driver to depart, knowing from this indication that the platform starting signal is showing a proceed aspect.
Learning to drive at full pelt on the East Coast Main Line, we're taught as a rule of thumb to aim for 80mph passing a double yellow, and 50mph at a single, so the 2/3 and 1/3 speed is about right for us too. You're right that there are now some 'tri-state' banner repeaters which can show whether the following signal is specifically green rather than just 'not red', but there are some LED versions being installed which still just show the old On/Off states. The tri-state ones can be distinguished by a special symbol on the signal ID plate which looks like a sideways hamburger 😂
Wow, towards the end this showing the most confusing & complicated signal systems. And there are/were so many. I though it was bad here with all the changes in the past 20 years.
That's because almost all of the preserved railways in Britain use token machines - so even though our signalmen are trained by qualified trainers in their departments, films like this are still very helpful to us.
Started out as a box boy then as a signalman on the T&H line then as a relief signalman on the LT&S eventually ending up as a Signalling mgr in Upminster IECC... 30 yrs later I'm a taxi driver 😂
@@AndreiTupolev: Would you have to though? I can't think of any examples off the top of my head -(and they very well may not exist!)- [Edit: there are many as detailed in my lower post, 14:06 shows a 3 aspect signal on a 125mile/h line. Still can't see how I missed that!] but I don't see why it would be necessary to have 4-aspect signalling on a 125mile/h line, other than for capacity?
@@AndreiTupolev: Oh, is it? I didn’t know that, I was under the impression that double yellows were only for enhancing capacity (and that you could in theory have any speed with 3 or 2 aspect signalling and only a single yellow placed at the appropriate braking distance). In practice anyway, any line capable for 125mile/h is almost certainly busy enough (or has mixed speed traffic) that it needs 4 aspect signalling anyway, but I’d love to see a list of lines equipped for 125mile/h to confirm that theory! (Edit: actually there are/were 125mile/h under 3 aspect! The GWML is one example (and in fact is clearly demonstrated in this video: 14:06) and people list examples in the thread on www.railforums.co.uk/threads/125mph-with-3-aspect-colour-light-signalling.166778/ )
The fact that the driver must check. that it is the right token isn't reassuring. If it's always been the correct token for 20 years doesn't mean that it IS the correct token but if someone does it 10000 times, can they be expected to be so alert? In all, UK drivers do a great job with what seems like badly flawed systems. I am disgusted that they do not get the respect of pilots. I've SEEN people berate railway staff..... scary.
They are trained ALWAYS to be alert to having the right token. Just like airline pilots are taught to ALWAYS check that all the control surfaces move freely, and in the right direction, no matter how many thousand times they've done it. The token system for use on single track lines has proved simple, dependable and reliable - as long as it's used in full accordance with the regulations. If people start getting lazy, careless or stupid, even the most hi-tech system won't save them.
At 11:29 he says that the searchlight signal can be a four aspect arrangement. How is that possible? Presumably that's either a mistake or there's another colour to denote the preliminary signal, or possibly a flashing amber?
Ah, I see it now. I think the explanation could have been a lot clearer. To me, the word "searchlight" implied that it was singular, so that didn't make sense to me.
The Preston to Blackpool line still uses Semaphores; but... sorry to say they will be lost in the next couple of years with the electrification upgrade.
Leigh Saunderson Although its now running six months late, completion target was May 2016. They have already started work on some bridges and such and I think Poulton No.3 Box has (thankfully) been saved already.
The biggest problem with those is the user forgetting to put them back down again. Next user comes along and, seeing the barriers up, thinks it's OK to cross when there could be a train coming. Only had one such crossing on the patch I used to cover, but it was a pain in the proverbial.
it's the same as wearing gloves i suppose, but their hands don't need to work as much as let say a driver, thus using a rug is easier for them with no need to take on and off
Curious about the block explanation near the start - does it mean that between 2 signal boxes there is only one block? As I was always under the impression there may be several blocks between signal boxes ?
By and large yes, but it is between open signal boxes. A block section may contain many closed, 'switched out' boxes at night or weekends, especially Sunday; the block is in operation between two open boxes. At the switched out boxes, the running line signal are left set to 'clear', in the 'off' position, and the road set accordingly
Brings back a lot of memories. Two of us were released from driving duties to be the cameramen for this and many other training films at that time. Great crew to work with and great fun to do. Made directly for the then British Rail Board as in house training.
We watched this video today on a signalling course run by Phil Graham and Alan Lewis. I'm coming in from not having much knowledge on the subject at all - it's very fascinating!
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I loved the old DMU's from the early 70's constantly changing gears from Edinburgh Waverley to Arbroath !
@@railwayspresents6047 why should he give you his number?!
@@Biggles2498 Yes they made a change I was also passed out on the Rolls Royces which were fully auto.
I've watched this video about 20 times now. I'm currently going through the process of being trained as a signalman on a local preservation steam railway. This video is very informative.
Has helped greatly
Richard Harris the chap who directed used to own a loco on the Nene valley railway. Not sure if the NRM has it now.
That was David and yes I believe it did.
This is actually a very useful guide that doesn't talk down to its audience. And some good filming, particularly good views inside signalboxes. And a nice variety of traction, including an interesting glimpse of an MOD shunter in action.
The rag, or "duster" is used both to keep the brightwork on the levers shiny and to maximize grip on the metal.
It's an old tradition for signallers to keep the signal box and its equipment clean and shiny as a matter of pride. The very best had everything, including the floor, absolutely spotless.
I remember some having nicely decorated with plants and flowers around the exterior.
@@agentx7138
A nice touch to be sure, most of the ones I've seen were usually plain, or had some stitching on them from the railway company, "B.R." "GWR", etc.
We called them lever cloths...
It also helps keep your skin from being pinched...
uk domestic sparky here, with family history of railway (dad worked for BREL Eastleigh, southern region, as an electrician). Got a customer who is a train driver for south western railway, but a total geek of railways, i will share this with him. If i have already done so by the time you read this, Hi Colin
PS it;s dad's fault i am an electrician, rip dad
I spent my first 11 years living in a house that backed on to the line just opposite Aylesbury signal box at 30:35 I always wondered what is like inside.
I used to love watching those trains. The bloody loud 37's that occasionally rumbled past were my favourite.
A fantastic peace of rail history and many memory's, love it. Thanks for posting.
35:58 - I wonder what that chap is doing at this exact moment in time, 32 years on here in 2021? He almost certainly has no idea that we're sitting here watching his 1989 self all these years on. Probably has no idea that he ever appeared (and appears) in a BR film. Strange world we live in...
Might be dead.
Who here is from another country but just watches this randomly despite having no railway signal knowledge or dosent work in the rail industry
I have some knowledge for BNSF Signaling on the Surfline I guess. I have no idea what any of this is.
Don’t have any knowledge yet have applied for Signaller lvl 7 and passed first 3 assessments, next is Interview and very anxious, my english is very good but not native so dunno if I will pass
Me a Chinese boy watching British rail documentaries for fun ;)
I work for Canadian Pacific Railway but I used to work for Network Rail the in the UK for about 2 years.
I'm actually a signalman, but from middle europe where train signalling is mostly different. But I'm always interested in "how it's done" in other countries
An excellent summary of BR signalling systems showing some brilliant footage of pre-modernisation Chiltern Line, with Wycombe South's centre-pivoted signal arms and the once very long lever frame at Risborough North. And the Tonbridge-Hastings line boxes are nearly all memories now.
End of part 1:
"Right lads and lasses go and have your lunch, have a brew, a fag, use the loo and I'll see you back here in an hour."
It used to be go have a few pints and lunch back then lol
Hands down the best video I have ever seen on the internet. It has changed my perspective on life.
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I know that feel dude.... My life was empty before I learned all about signals.
+Niall101a It's designed for those of us who work in signalling. some of us find it interesting, if we work in this field. If you find it boring, don't watch it.
+John Harwood Ruining the moment dude, why? We know what it was meant for
David Stewart BR signalling parts 1 & 2
Track Circuits are not something that you want terrorists to know about. If 2 track Circuits are connected together by a pair of wires crossed over, cause a false clear, trains will crash into each other.
I was an instructor at the Southern Region Training School, South Side (Waterloo) from 1977 until privatisation.
We used to show this film during the Rules part of the trainee driver (MP12) courses.
(Under privatisation, I went to the Connex South-Eastern Training Centre at London Bridge - until voluntary severance beckoned!).
The narrator in the film(s) also worked at South Side for a period. He also filmed and narrated many route-learning videos.
He had been a Driver, Signaller, had a model shop and small film company.
Pleasure to go to work in BR days!
It sure was. I was cameraman/recordist on those films released from train driving along with another driver from the Southern to work producing these films. Best years of my train driver career learn so much about other departments.
This video is marvelous! Thank you for publishing this.
Great video. Love the shot at Lymington with the man walking off the train and his wife following carrying the luggage
Lol the snyth music at the start is so 80s!
@MrJobofo I know...
@@TrainFan_95 this was made the year I was born, 1989. Even I can tell how brash the 80's music is, lol
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Love the driver having a smoke at 23:00
Won't happen in todays PC society.
MiniHulk69
No it's not so much a case of PC but also there are not as much % of the population smoking now (smoking leaves horrid smells and stains which I've seen and experienced as an ex smoker myself) along with litigious bullshit.
But if 60% are non smokers why should they have to put up with the rank smell from the 40%? When I was doing car parts deliveries for a company years ago we had the cars shuffled around and worked out so that the smokers had certain cars they shared and non-smokers shared certain cars to stop this dispute and it worked well. Each was assigned a car they were responsible for and were never swapped out for this reason. It meant the non smokers had no smell and the smokers didn't have the bitching about the smell.
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I see your point. Thing is with me is I don't smoke, but been bought up with smokers. IMO, if someone wants to smoke around me, do it. I dont care. If I'm going to get a "smoke related" illness I'll get one regardless if I smoke or not.
Plus, I never have liked being told what I can and cannot do. I do things my way lol :p
MiniHulk69
I understand what you mean. I'm not so fussed about people smoking near me in the open air but in enclosed spaces I cannot stand the smell (since I was a smoker myself once it is now even worse for me) and it's more the smell and shitty coating left behind that would offend me. Out in the yard I wouldn't give two hoots.
@@minihulk69 Even if you are against political correctness, a smoking restriction is helping everybody. You have a right to smoke, as long as the smoke is not hurting others. A shared locomotive cab violates the above rule.
The English-Style Signalling and Communication System also had widely practiced in many Commonwealth Nations including Malaysia, India, and much more.
Malayan Railway used Anglo-Indian Signalling and Communication Style.
good to know !
Canada is the most notable exception. It instead adopted American-style railway signals.
Semaphores, and the Block System that is associated with them, have worked well for over a hundred years and are still in use in some places as has been mentioned. Accidents did occur (Cowden was mentioned), but were almost always the result of driver error in passing signals at danger, or of signalmen forgetting a train was standing at their signals and accepting another one in the belief that the line was clear, a situation remedied in more modern times by the provision of interlocked track circuiting. Rule 55 requires traincrew to contact the signalman to remind him of their presence at a signal if they are there for more than 5 minutes (2 if there is a tunnel in the section or during fog or falling snow). Signalmen had 'collars', rings which could be placed over a lever to prevent it's being unlocked and pulled, which they used as reminders; the practice was for the collars to be left in place until a lever was used, and replaced afterwards.
No system in which humans play a part is immune from accidents caused by human error (or deliberate malice!), yet we still insist that trains are driven by drivers, aircraft flown by pilots, and ships steered by helmsmen under a captain's order...
I agree that human error is the cause of most mishaps but computers have very little ability to detect things like vehicles over crossings or some drunken fool fallen on the track so catch 22 but I think human drivers are still the best.
Sadly, Glen, car drivers playing chicken (or committing suicide) on crossings and drunken fools falling under trains are all too often detected too late for effective avoidance by human drivers as well. Outright stupidity of this sort will defeat any safety regime, although automated trains fitted with a radar or similar system to detect obstacles like cars or drunks might be able to respond quicker than a human driver, especially in poor visibility.
An absoulutely foolproof system seems impossible to achieve, but there are immense benefits in trying...
John Richards
It's hard to weigh the loss of jobs vs the gain of the auto system as well. Catch22. And with no driver, if something fails and it's a diesel your screwed (at least electrics can have the overheads turned off.
Fair point, but I was commenting on human reluctance to trust safe automated systems when the alternative of fallible human control and decision making is available. It is, as Mr Spock would point out, illogical, captain, yet I would entirely subscribe to it and prefer vehicles in which I am riding to have an apparently competent human in charge of them, and in fact would really rather be in control myself as I do not trust anyone else.
Driverless cars will be the norm in less than a few decades; how will our deluded egos cope with that!
A remotely controlled diesel running away is a nightmare scenario, sho 'nuff, but not beyond the wit of man to solve as a problem...
John Richards Automation isn't really full proof, there have been cases where automation has failed in an uncontrolled environment.
Even though human errors are a factor, they're really the only flexible link in the chain where if something goes wrong, they're normally the ones who try to rectify the problem.
For example: In planes automation is dictated by sensors which detect the "angle of attack", lift and heading.
If one of those sensors somehow freezes up, the automatic system would get confused and send the plane in an unpredictable direction or pitch.
In this situation, the pilot may get confused with what the automation is telling the plane to do and thus, automation may cause the plane to crash due to faulty readings from the sensors.
The thing is, I feel that eliminating the human factor would present a greater risk to passenger safety then having one in there.
I like it when the computer aids the driver in doing a task (like autopilot and many of these safety devices presented in the video), but I sometimes worry if we are providing too much control to the computer in terms of automation and automated vehicles.
I think I may need to watch this again as there is so much to understand. Martin. (Thailand)
why does the intro music go this hard
Flashing yellow approach junctions: The rules have since changed, in that when the next signal after the junction is at danger the flashers cannot show and it's standard (steady yellows) approach release. Followed the SPaD and collision at Colwich (Staffs) and a couple of other incidents where drivers misread aspect sequences and believed they 'had the road beyond the signal after the junction and not just through the junction.
Since this film Britain has also 'reinvented' splitting distant signals, to give drivers better information about the state of the line through junctions ahead and aspects at signals beyond them.
Do you know where there are examples of this?
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Colwich, Wootton Bassett, Didcot East
I had exactly that last night where I was not given flashing yellows for the junction being set as usual due to the section of track beyond it being occupied. I only got the junc ind when right on top of it.
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Thanks. IMO it's a vital safeguard against 'around the corner' SPaD esp where 99% of the time that signal is off. In my day there was a SPaD at Wootton Bassett where driver had got the flasher but didn't register that the main jn sig stayed at yellow plus feather. The next signal was protecting a head-on move (potential 115mph closing speed) through a crossover only just beyond the overlap. Fortunately the train pulled up short....
@@ulysees08
Whilst on, also reminds me that some flasher locations in 4aspect areas had overlapping sequences whereby a given signal could flash either single or double yellow depending on which junction ahead was set and feathered. Again this was potentially confusing for drivers and so were retrospectively banned. Newton Abbot East was one that springs to mind.
A really good video with absolute attention to detail.
Round 17:00 you can see the Cranks (Rail Enthusiasts) Particularly 47 Bashers, wish i was there
Music is a time machine to the 80's!
I have a serious new appreciation for the signaling operation on the west somerset railway in TSW2
I swear, David Dore really got around narrating all these railway films back in the day, didn't he?
Joshua Saxby until he got that Paul chap roped in for all of them!
@@mouselovinlady Unstoppable duo
@@jess.hawkins there's one video where they were both in it holding a conversation. I think it's the one about the three step brake. I commented "top 10 anime crossovers" lol.
Good evening, some single track museum railways in the United Kingdom are still operated with staff or token blocks although all their stations are equipped not only with home signals but also with departure signals (generally "railway semaphore signals" with arms positioned at 45º in the dial lower or in the upper quadrant to communicate to the driver that the way is clear). It is therefore not clear to me the need to have a staff or token block in the presence of starting signals. In other words, the signals that authorize the sending of trains in the opposite direction along the single track section could not be interconnected with each other in order to avoid head-on collisions as well as pile-ups as happens on double-track lines equipped with "Absolute block" ? If I remember correctly, the intermediate railway stations of the lines operated with the "Radio Electronic Token Block" do not have departure signals, except the "Stop Board". Grateful for the attention given to me, I would like to take this opportunity to extend cordial and sincere regards
Still a fair number of the manual boxes knocking about. Amazing in 2022
They knocked down a nice Victorian signal box at Blackpool North and Victorian signals
Which means those original signal boxes are still serving their purpose and handling their current traffic levels properly, and as the saying goes, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
18:55 - 19:04 nice view of a shunt signal and derailer, and the derailer aligning to allow movement safely prior to the signal change.
18:45 for the modern counterpart
I'm pretty sure that is Maidstone West. It's changed an awful lot since this film was made.
19:06 That's not 45 degrees right?
19:06
Can someone send me a link to the cheesy music at the start?
Nice to see Mouuldsworth Junction box now sadly removed.
Just curious how many Signal Boxes are still in use. Here in the US they are nearly extinct.
"In 1948 there were approximately 10,000 signal boxes; by 2012 this had reduced to about 500. National Rail has plans to concentrate control at twelve centres by 2040, decommissioning most of the remaining mechanical signal boxes by 2025."
-Wikipedia on signal boxes that are still listed as buildings in England
Fantastic, however at 10:30 the Commentator wants to explain the "sequence", of the 4 Colour light and the 3 Colour light displays, but the video is only looking at one signal so the Commentators sequence is describing not the view of the camera but only one possible view of the driver's multiple signals, which is going to confuse anyone.
From the *Signal's* point of view and of someone watching one signal ie the video watcher, the correct sequence is for 4 Lights are G, R, Y, Y/Y, G --- 3 lights are, G, R, Y, G.
From the *drivers* point of view it is different BUT only IF you are catching up to the train ahead, then you would see G, Y/Y, Y and R from 4 or more different signals as you close up to the train ahead.
I worked for BR for many years and know all of these systems.
When I was at VSC Clapham Junction, had a very high failure rate, ASE had to be paid off, replacement was to be sacked in 6 months time with chief signal engineers unless failure rate dropped, bought in man from Stanley led a task force team, he reduced failure rate.
No wonder train drivers earn so much all this has made my brain hurt!
Heh, you haven't seen the explanations for how the different brake systems work, you've got Airbrakes (Train Brakes), Emergency brakes, Engine brakes, Dynamic brakes, Independent Brakes, Bail-off and Magnetic Brakes, at least that's how many I can name!
I agree all these people who strike haven't got a clue what it takes to be a driver
@@ramblingrob4693yep, I’m not a driver or involved in the industry, but I agree. I want my train drivers paid well for shuttling hundreds of people around in a big metal tube. Same for airline pilots
This is like learning another language.
My idea is to make one big long train that stops at all stations because it is so long everyone can use the same train and no other train is there to crash into it.
In the case of a normal-length train, that's called a slow service, and is usually only provided when a line is divided into fast and slow lines.
And I get where you're going, but might such a train occupy more than one block at one time, need tens of kilometres to come to an emergency stop, and have to be divided into pieces to fit into a depot to be maintained?
@@denelson83 Hi No what I mean is a train that has no end. Like a constant moving corridor.
@@david-stewart That would be impractical, because then every car would have to be stopped at every station, and it would massively slow the service down.
Impossible 🙄
@@denelson83 I think somebody did exactly this for a baggage conveyor or moving walkway or something. Every car has some headway. When it reaches a station, the car stops and the headway gets taken up. When the car departs, it quickly accelerates to a faster speed then re-establishes the headway. See also the ThyssenKrupp Express Walkway, it's a moving walkway that goes fast in the middle and then slows down at the ends to a safe entry/exit speed.
this is fascinating
Where do people find these videos and is there some way of finding info about the videos ie music used or other information not shown in the "credits" at the end?
Like having to shunt 1 up train onto a loop siding to clear another down's way.
Choo Choo: I'm a train and I approve this video!!!
they got off the train before it even stopped hahahahaah. damn the old days were so cool
I remember this well
Princes Rhisborough to Aylesbury started my S&T with Burt and Ray in 1989
At 16:20, do the signals at Crewe still have these route indications instead of the standard feathers?
I remember standing in the middle of the junction wiith a bit of wire to bridge the track circuits so as get the signal to operate. Felt rather insecure doing that on such a busy line. (before anyone says it we had a chief signal engineer with us and coms the box).
Hi, I've seen many photo's of semaphore signal arms bearing a ring. what is the purpose of this ring?
I think you'll find it's for a permissive block - passenger trains could not usually use a permissive block.
very helpful video. It's classic 😍
You can the it’s the 80s by the music!
Me, a trainspotter, I’ve been in the 0:00 type signalbox
Anyone know what music was used in the introductory segment? Thanks
Charlie Chiappe - Brainblast
This is very cool indeed! but now for the most important question what is the intro song called! i need to know!!! Whahahha
Interesting how the block instrument displays look like the italian tricolore
Thanks plainly difficult for leading me here
Like that music in the beginning
I like to think of the double and single yellow signals as a prompt to slow to two-thirds or one-third of maximum track speed respectively.
Searchlight-type signals which use LED luminaires are becoming more prevalent on British railways.
Banner repeater signals can also use LEDs, in which case, their off indications are distinguishable between caution and clear aspects. The distinction is a white display for a caution aspect, and a green display for a clear. Banner repeaters that do not make this distinction instead defer it to the AWS. Banner repeater ID plates carry the identification of the signals they repeat, followed by the letters "BR".
A variant of the banner repeater used primarily on platform lines is an "OFF" display, which only illuminates if the platform starting signal immediately in advance of it is not at danger. This is for the benefit of the guard of a train as a further safeguard against a so-called "ding-ding and away" SPAD, so that the guard can wait until he or she sees the "OFF" indication before signalling the driver to depart, knowing from this indication that the platform starting signal is showing a proceed aspect.
Learning to drive at full pelt on the East Coast Main Line, we're taught as a rule of thumb to aim for 80mph passing a double yellow, and 50mph at a single, so the 2/3 and 1/3 speed is about right for us too.
You're right that there are now some 'tri-state' banner repeaters which can show whether the following signal is specifically green rather than just 'not red', but there are some LED versions being installed which still just show the old On/Off states. The tri-state ones can be distinguished by a special symbol on the signal ID plate which looks like a sideways hamburger 😂
@@robhardie6687 It's a white disk with a black vertical band through it.
I always found LEDs to darn bright causing temp loss of night vision.
Wow, towards the end this showing the most confusing & complicated signal systems. And there are/were so many. I though it was bad here with all the changes in the past 20 years.
Interesting stuff. Cheers 👍👍
i love that song what is it named
Can't help but notice that the most viewed section is the one about the token block system
That's because almost all of the preserved railways in Britain use token machines - so even though our signalmen are trained by qualified trainers in their departments, films like this are still very helpful to us.
That is Risborough box? Still in use today an the Chinnor and Princess Risborough railway. They open the box on certain days...
What's the music called?
Sweet video. Thank you.
Glen O'Riley We had great fun making it but very hard work and long a days sometimes. Plus pro video gear was very heavy in those days.
Semaphores are still used at Woodhouse just outside Sheffield.
Not anymore. All gone.
@@ulysees08 Well yes, my comment is 9 years old.
@Bobby O yep I noticed.
Not sure if I am correctly guessing was high Wycombe station featured near the beginning?
Not looked at the film lately but yes we certainly filmed at High Wycombe.
ah yes, when the videos gave time for the information to sink in. watch fireship for some contrast.
35:58 Hi man!
Started out as a box boy then as a signalman on the T&H line then as a relief signalman on the LT&S eventually ending up as a Signalling mgr in Upminster IECC... 30 yrs later I'm a taxi driver 😂
No riffraff on the station
I wouldn't want to be driving an HST at 125 mph with one yellow aspect as the first warning that the next light is red ! Oh Lordy !
You'd have four aspect Signalling at that speed.
@@AndreiTupolev: Would you have to though? I can't think of any examples off the top of my head -(and they very well may not exist!)- [Edit: there are many as detailed in my lower post, 14:06 shows a 3 aspect signal on a 125mile/h line. Still can't see how I missed that!] but I don't see why it would be necessary to have 4-aspect signalling on a 125mile/h line, other than for capacity?
@@fetchstixRHD Oh, 4 aspect signals are necessary on all lines over 100 mph. The preliminary double yellow gives you enough braking distance.
@@AndreiTupolev: Oh, is it? I didn’t know that, I was under the impression that double yellows were only for enhancing capacity (and that you could in theory have any speed with 3 or 2 aspect signalling and only a single yellow placed at the appropriate braking distance). In practice anyway, any line capable for 125mile/h is almost certainly busy enough (or has mixed speed traffic) that it needs 4 aspect signalling anyway, but I’d love to see a list of lines equipped for 125mile/h to confirm that theory!
(Edit: actually there are/were 125mile/h under 3 aspect! The GWML is one example (and in fact is clearly demonstrated in this video: 14:06) and people list examples in the thread on www.railforums.co.uk/threads/125mph-with-3-aspect-colour-light-signalling.166778/ )
Full service brake application and pray you don't SPAD..
Tripcocks in set position guys
Who is the narrator, anyone? Very distinctive voice
David Dore. His name is in the credits at the end of this video.
Love seeing the Class 43 HSTs
OMG! I hope there's not going to be a quiz.
The fact that the driver must check. that it is the right token isn't reassuring. If it's always been the correct token for 20 years doesn't mean that it IS the correct token but if someone does it 10000 times, can they be expected to be so alert?
In all, UK drivers do a great job with what seems like badly flawed systems. I am disgusted that they do not get the respect of pilots.
I've SEEN people berate railway staff..... scary.
They are trained ALWAYS to be alert to having the right token. Just like airline pilots are taught to ALWAYS check that all the control surfaces move freely, and in the right direction, no matter how many thousand times they've done it.
The token system for use on single track lines has proved simple, dependable and reliable - as long as it's used in full accordance with the regulations. If people start getting lazy, careless or stupid, even the most hi-tech system won't save them.
Quite fascinating 👏
Fascinating detail! I do think, though, that putting up signals on posts for drivers to observe is perhaps a bit 19th century now...
@Wylye_guy - What would you do, then? Hang them from sky-hooks?
Interesting stuff.
What's the song on the first minutes?
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19:02, isn't the best example of a disc shunt-signal 😂😂
At 11:29 he says that the searchlight signal can be a four aspect arrangement. How is that possible? Presumably that's either a mistake or there's another colour to denote the preliminary signal, or possibly a flashing amber?
You can see a four-aspect searchlight type signal just as he says it - it has another signal head for showing the second yellow.
Ah, I see it now. I think the explanation could have been a lot clearer. To me, the word "searchlight" implied that it was singular, so that didn't make sense to me.
Roger Froud I’ve got one in my back garden.
The Preston to Blackpool line still uses Semaphores; but... sorry to say they will be lost in the next couple of years with the electrification upgrade.
Any idea when the electrification is due ? I quite enjoy that line to Blackpool, be a shame .
Leigh Saunderson Although its now running six months late, completion target was May 2016. They have already started work on some bridges and such and I think Poulton No.3 Box has (thankfully) been saved already.
Nice mullet at 36.36 ... I bet he regrets that now.
The opening music is way too good for this. Sounds like an epic game of Gradius at the local arcade. 😀
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What's the Music called Lads or Lasses.
Darude - Sandstorm.
Futuristic for 1989 🙂
Loving your rail training videos, do you have any more,
Lee Thomas Quite a lot most online now but only made for in house training.
That intro started off with the makings of a half decent drum and bass track but went downhill.
Very interesting indeed.👍☘️
To protect the signalman's hands & to maximize grip.
I've never seen a do-it-yourself lifting barrier crossing before! (49:12) That looks a bit labour-intensive.
The biggest problem with those is the user forgetting to put them back down again. Next user comes along and, seeing the barriers up, thinks it's OK to cross when there could be a train coming. Only had one such crossing on the patch I used to cover, but it was a pain in the proverbial.
Tom Scott shows one off in one of his videos.
Illyewminated
it's the same as wearing gloves i suppose, but their hands don't need to work as much as let say a driver, thus using a rug is easier for them with no need to take on and off
I'm here for the scary music
i feel like i’m back in the training school 😄
Chris, Are you a signalman? If so can I contact you as I have signalman interview with Network rail very soon. Just prepping.
No sorry Tony, i’m a driver, good luck with the interview though 👍👍
great thank you
Jeezus, that opening music was a bit manic!
Curious about the block explanation near the start - does it mean that between 2 signal boxes there is only one block? As I was always under the impression there may be several blocks between signal boxes ?
as it says, if there is a long distance there may be multiple blocks.
By and large yes, but it is between open signal boxes. A block section may contain many closed, 'switched out' boxes at night or weekends, especially Sunday; the block is in operation between two open boxes. At the switched out boxes, the running line signal are left set to 'clear', in the 'off' position, and the road set accordingly
A block is a length of line between any two consecutive signals.
These videos are superb. One question - why do signalbox staff always use a rag when pulling the levers?
Southmead Lad, mostly to avoid blisters but also to stop rust forming on the levers from moisture on the hands