tough show to end. The end was great, but the Fionna resolution was a little shaky and I really wanted Simon to stay with Betty-golb. Scarab was more of a plot device than a villain.
on the Jay issue, here's my two cents. I feel like there is at least some intention behind how Finn''s head was impaled with two sharp objects, similar to a vampire bite, which we know his hat protects against. That detail alongside the fact there was not a single bit of blood when we know they can just show that now uses a very show not tell way to convey to us that farmworld Finn is still alive.
Honestly I'm glad Simon finally reached some sort of closure, after all the guys been through, he seriously needed it. And meanwhile: lich becomes a tetris block. 💀
@@valentinkambushev4968the delegated the lich as a misunderstood purposeless form of Golbs chaos Him being someone who worshiped golb to then be deleted is sad but his arc was always inevitable of the death of all things to I guess simp for golb
@LUCAS420BLZ golb is the god of chaos. Those tetras blocks are probably a bunch of people that feel like their life has no purpose. Since chaos itself is purposeless lich took this to mean that it wanted everything destroyed. But destroying everything doesn't create chaos, the only thing it does is create stale dead environments. He thought that golb would reward him for his efforts and blamed all his actions on golb. People need to stop regulating everything down to just simping. It's really stupid. Fact is he just didn't understand golb just like Simon didn't understand Betty.
@@Egg-ThorUh did YOU watch the finale? Dumb dumb. They got a whole magic candy tank being driven around by a baby. They were served by a fire monster. Cake is not the only magical thing there now
I kinda wish they had gone the route of getting magic into her world, it would open up the show to a guaranteed 2nd season (or more) where they have to fix the damage the magic does to her original world. If it did change the characters of her world, it would kinda suck, but adventure time is no stranger to having tragic outcomes for many of it's characters. Idk, I just feel like if they continue the show, it will be weird since there's no magic in her world which makes it a little less interesting. Also, if they want to keep exploring the multiverse, what would be their excuse to get back to traveling the multiverse? (And actually I don't mind the mundanity of her world, but it is better when it is contrasted with the magic of the land of Ooo).
I don't think GBetty was trying to criticize Simon. They were both human and did what they thought was best in order to find their happiness. If Simon knew better, he would have done better. I think Betty was actually trying to say "I sacrificed a ton for you and don't regret it because I think you ARE worth it, and your life has value. If not for yourself, try to do it for me." Of course, the message was sliiightly dilluted by Betty becoming an omnipotent omniscient being and therefore reducing her time with Simon to "an experience" but the love was still there.
Couldn't have put it in a more better way, she was trying to convey him this message the whole time, that she had sacrificed so much for him and she doesn't regret it because she values his life more than anything and that he should also learn to accept himself for who he is and just move on, it also makes sense because if he had put on the crown again, it would've only endangered his life while also neglecting betty's sacrifice of keeping him safe
He did do better. The show just for some reason ignores Simon goes with Betty's decisions multiple times in the series. And even when he tries to convince her not to sacrifice herself...she ignores him. When Simon tries to warn Betty about the snakes...she ignores him. And saying "we both made mistakes" doesn't cover that. You can have the point to move on...but not showing Betty reflect on her specific mistakes makes it seem one sided.
@@lProN00bl I have been someone like Betty. trust me their relationship was not healthy. Simon saying "why would I?" when Fiona asked if he went on the bus explained everything. Nobody is the bad guy. Simon prioritised his happiness and his goals and Betty was okay with doing that too. In turn, Betty lost herself. Even as GBetty, she still would do everything in her power for his happiness. Simon never prioritised her life, just his life with her. We both know if the roles were reversed, Betty would never dismiss Simon's idea abt snakes and she wouldn't let Simon sacrifice himself. That's the problem. She had a whole life and she constantly decides to follow this guy around and he never even thought abt the life she gave up. They could choose each other and still be happy. Its ok to prioritise and be obsessed with your partner a healthy amount and only if they do it back
@@lProN00bl I don't think the show is blaming Simon though, Beth even says that what happened with Nova isn't necessarily Casper's fault either. Betty was a very impulsive person and Simon was a very passive one. Betty constantly jumped at the chance to sacrifice herself and Simon just didn't notice and stop her. No one is the bad guy here, they both could have made better choices.
@@jerry3790 he was rushing because he was frustrated that he was just about to get what he wanted, ie wearing the crown again. But his relationship with Betty had always been immature. He had always let her give up for him and not vice versa
I love how Beth comments: "Well, you just a child, you don't undestand it yet" LIKE DAMN way to tell us how immature Simon is when it comes to understanding relationships
I ADORE the fact that Fionna finally has a world with fantasy and adventure, but throughout this entire montage, we see her doing slice-of-life things and just hanging out with her friends. Perfect encapsulation of her arc.
??? Why is everyone saying that there's magic in their world now? Did everyone watch this finale with blindfolds on? The world stayed non magic. The only magic thing there is Cake.
@@Egg-Thormagic flows through the multiverse, their world was cut off and powered by the crown or it was a link with the magic of the multiverse... now this world is connected and just like in U before the war, magic exists here but it is still a bit weak and invisible so much.
@Darlf_Sevil Plus, beings from other universes, such as some of Scarab's former prisoners, are staying. Fionna's World might become more urban fantasy as time moves on.
@@johnnygyro2295 Interesting idea: When they were in Simon's head, presumably their world was probably limited to the city, with little, if anything beyond it. Now that they're a legit universe, presumably they have a fully realized world to explore now. It's not impossible to think that far beyond the limits of the city, magic could exist, or even things like the crown, the Enchiridion, the Lich, etc. I could see urban fantasy elements slowly leaking into their day-to-day.
It was so interesting to see how The Lich was just another lonely yet obsessed character who didn't understand their object of obsession outside of their own selfish desires.
But the Lich is a like a machine. It's not his desire to destroy all life, it's the purpose he was created for. He's little more than a robot that has fufilled it's purpose and isn't needed anymore, the only difference being that the Lich is just self-aware enough to realise this at the end of all things.
Personally, I took the fact that Jay and Little Destiny moved to Fionna's world as confirmation that Farmworld Finn survived his ecounter with the Scarab. I dont believe that Jay would abandon his siblings so nonchalantly if his father was dead and I dont think that Prismo would help Scarab out if he did ended up killing someone who was not an anomaly. Still, I think it would be more fitting if Prismo send OG Finn, along with Farmworld and Baby Finn (maybe the tank as well) to help Fionna just so we could have all the versions fighting together in one shot.
Maybe Prime Marceline as well. It’s very weird to me that we didn’t see her interact with Simon again, especially when episode 7 emphasized how important his role was in setting her on the right path.
@@JG-pt3xe as far as we know, they could've pulled an Owl House, and now we have doors interconnecting the universes that became crossed with one another due to Flona's meddling.
@@southernflight5078 Yeah, maybe Prismo's wish-granting shadow rizz made the multiversal law-keepers allow multiversal travel? (though, probably only within specific circumstances) Hell, it could even lead to some interesting future plotlines! (Maybe a "Multiversal Quarantine" gets instilled when a Lich-Hand invasion begins brewing? That could be a fun way to give the Farmworld some extra closure)
It's heavily contextually implied that Farmworld Finn is fine. Everywhere else blood was used to depict dangerous wounds. There was no blood plus Scarab wasn't really on a killing spree until the end. It just doesn't make any sense to assume he is dead or even injured.
The shermy thing has deeper meaning than you realize. Betty trapped Simon in a time loop to protect him. The book/game was written by simon thousands of years before shermy. Simon learned his lesson then writes the book and the cycle never ends
Considering Astrid, the Fionna fan girl, was drawing Casper and Nova in her notebook, it's possible she was the one who wrote the book after hearing Simon's stories. Otherwise, yeah, it's a time loop.
@@johnnygyro2295I prefer what you said. I don't like time loops that are so tightly closed. The idea that the book was written anyways as her own original idea and it connects via that just feels nicer to me, like it makes more sense in a way.
@redactedoktor it would still be the same time loop whether Simon or the fan wrote the book. The only reason the fan was drawing those charaters was because Simon became shermy and learned that lesson. Simon had no interest in the fan before this adventure.
@@johnnygyro2295 It is stated that the author of the game book is Simon himself in Episode 8, around 20:16 or somthing. I'm not sure why they decided to show us the scene in which Astrid sketch the two characters. Maybe she will be the artist for the game book, but it is Simon who writes the story as he is stated to be the author.
I'd like to use the excuse "it's not about the destination, it's about the journey" when talking about this finale. My feelings are basically that I'm willing to let the ending slide since literally the rest of the episodes were absolutely a masterpiece, each and one of them.
I think, with the ending, Fionna accepting her world was more than just the Scarab destroying it all. I think it was more so due to the fact that most of the worlds she's seen have gone to shit. She also had the dream of her world being a dark, twisted nightmare rather than the fantasy she wanted. She also watched as others suffered/would suffer so that she can get her world. All the people that died on her journey because of her actions. There's also the fact that many of the people were happy with their world as it was. She just didn't want to sacrifice others anymore and would rather accept her world instead. I personally see it as a logical conclusion for her.
Sometimes people learn stuff the hard/long way and Simon apparently fits the bill because after all these years didn’t give true respect or love to Betty even though he actually loved her.
@@Mrcharles. To be fair Betty was all too eager to sacrifice herself. We see at the start of their relationship that Betty readily sacrificed her studies and degree to go with simon on one of his trips and then when he offers to share the glory, she declines feeling that the glory should belong to simon alone, even though simon ADMITS he wouldn't have been successful without her.
@@dandereninja4750 Yeah. Simon's mistake was being too much in his own head to realize what Betty was doing but Betty's actions weren't his fault. They both made their choices, it was side multiple times.
You know, when Fionna made that wish and blew on the dandelion-world thing and it spread out and got absorbed by everyone, it might have been better if some of the human characters became their fantasy counterparts. Like they sort get to be what they really want, to be who they really are like Cake, either as a normal human or their Ooo magical counterpart. Also, totally agree with you on the Farmworld characters and Baby Finn. It would have been better if they did not leave their worlds/came to Fionna's world. It's very jarring that they're here.
I liked Jay and Little Destiny helping out, but some confirmation on what happened in Farm World would've been nice. Maybe a season 2 would give context?
Well magic flows through the multiverse, their world was cut off and powered by the crown or it was a link with the magic of the multiverse... now this world is connected and just like in U before the war, magic exists here but it is still a bit weak and invisible so much. They drain magic bcs of it now conection exsist and they probady back to normal bcs magic flows again in big multiverse loop
Yeah…. Really thought they were gonna explain that. I guess it’s just because they weren’t canonized so their mere existence in other worlds was detrimental? But- would’ve liked a clearer explanation.
Hmmm, it wasn't because her universe was illegal and created by prismo? Now it's canon just like every other universe, so no primo magic corrupting everything
I think what Golbetty wanted was to stop Simon from making the same mistakes she made. It wasn't about calling him out for being a bad boyfriend (it was more complicated than that), but to show him where those self-sacrificing tendencies can lead you. The moment Simon realized "I have value beyond what my sacrifice can bring others", the cycle was broken.
My biggest issue with the finale is that Fionna didn't actually learn to appreciate her world, she just learned to fear others. She arrives at the conclusion that her world is good not because she learns to see the beautiful parts over the course of the series or realizes she's homesick for it while out in the multiverse, but by repeatedly being shown horrific alternate realities until she becomes too traumatized to want adventure anymore. Kind of a weird way to go about an arc that's supposed to be about seeing the beauty in life.
Life and learning are traumatizing. There are two ways to learn fire can burn you 1) You touch it and get burned 2) Someone else scares you into never touching it for fear of a burn Growth is incorporating that trauma into your life so that it doesn't spread and cause damage.
This comment right here is what we mean by "Twisting words". You negate all of the actual intent to flip the narrative upside down to fit your own. Canonically she has accepted living in a normal world and appreciating what she has because she knows she doesnt really have much reason to complain compared to others she has seen (namely the Ice King/Simon)
Shermy and Beth in my opinion being used in Fionna and Cake was a smart move because, for me, I don't think a show for them alone would be that great, just ok.
@@Dante-Balisk fionna and cake and adventure time were also not flawless people judge it way too good because "my childhood show". like fionna and cake to me looks not even a good writing. to me has sthe same quality as steven universe future because to me it just looks like milking the cow, pushing tons of stuff in to please the audience to get them back, and to apply to the modern shows in these modern times. nothing special, way too much (like adventure time already had as problem). it's meh. shermy and beth were some blank pages that could be re-written. but fionna and cake which i actually liked as how they were presented as ff characters in the original show, just died for me here. because it's like they are randoms put in 200 alternative universes to attract viewers
@@loftikussfrankly sounds more like you just don't like adventure time all that much and have personal issues with how much people do like adventure time, plenty of people haven't even watched adventure time when they were kids and still love the show a lot because it's a great show to watch. You not liking it isn't bad writing it's you not liking it, you don't gotta justify you standing alone against a lot of people who do, you could do something better than that and just focus on what you do like.
Honestly I think the only reason Fionna and Cake's arc feels off is because it's meant to be open-ended, there's a possibility of a next season but the creators just decided to make it end like that in the case that there isn't cause they likely already have something planned for the things like how come the other people in that town didn't have a choice in wanting to be normal or magical Shermy & Beth's part was pretty great honestly, considering the fact that if you watch when they found the book for the crown Simon said 'This world's petrikov' wrote the book, it makes the most sense that Betty sent him to the future and still thinking that it's a different world. He essentially gave himself the realization that Betty wanted, so it wasn't just an unnecessary camio just so they could put Shermy & Beth into the finale
I’m hoping that all the characters that were brought into Fionna’s world are there as an way to give Season 2 a reason to revisit the worlds we left behind.
Legit canonical universes are made from people’s wishes. Fionna and Cake’s world was unauthorized because it wasn’t made from a wish, but from Prismo’s own creative expression. However, with Fionna blowing her universe-dandelion thing, she made a wish. Now her world is finally tied to a wish, thus making it canonical and legit.
I think the dissonance between the Simon arc and the Fionna and Cake arc makes some 'out-of-universe' sense when we take into account that thing we heard about how this show apparently used a lot from the proposed Simon-focused episode of Distant Lands that never got made. It feels like this conclusion to Simon's arc is something that the writers have had in mind and really locked in for a long time now, possibly even during the writing of Adventure Time itself considering Betty's Mars episode. Whereas it seems like Fionna's and Cake's arc was conceived largely just for this show.
I’m so happy that Simon finally got some real closure. He still has some work to do since he is going to therapy, but I know he will have a happy ending.
I’m actually glad he’s getting therapy. Sometimes talking it out is really good for you even if Simon is talking to a Minerva robot. Maybe there is a happy ending for him after moving on from Betty but only time will tell if that’ll happen.
I'm glad someone finally pointed out that jay essentially either left his now orphan brothers and sister behind or and note this still bad. His dad survived who is mostly a guarantee permanent brain damaged person with his youngest siblings to try and take care of him
everyone's raising their eyebrow/giving jay side eye for 'abandoning his family' but prismo's the one that teleported them, the fact that they asked 'can we stay' implies that prismo would've teleported them back or given them a way to stay in touch if the worlds are connected now, and prismo can just do that reverse/editing like the original season to 'save' finn if he did get hurt, if not just drop finn off in some kinda world with a good hospital (and i'm sure finn's kids probably have basic training since he told Bonnie to make a barricade when he went off to chase Jay and Fionna) maybe there could be a mini arc in a future season where he is injured but learns to rely on the townspeople/be forgiven even if ppl don't necessarily know finn was the one who had the ice cream originally before. tho it is kinda a missed opportunity for marcie to not be there in the end and having a heart to heart with simon or Ooo!Finn even tho we know he never rly 'got over' Jake's death even tho it was also implied he's still in touch with Huntress Wizard at that time
i think scarabs powers might be stronger than the average vamp but idk if they'd be fully allowed to kill someone that's not an "anomaly" or whatever, but even if we did get a season 2 idk if it'd focused on farmworld's finn's story as much unless it's a flashback b/c he's mostly gotten over his arc and such @@The1stSinna
Really the best way for the show to end was to show what each universe looks like during the montage, showing vampire world, baby world, litch world, farm word, things like that
@@SMN9a Yes, but for consistency sake we would see it, maybe going from normal universe and going through each dimension reverse on how we saw it, so the litch world would be next with nothing happening, then vampire where we just see some vamps living their best life’s so we never see if Bonnie or Marcy died, then we’d go to the baby verse and make our way keep working our way down
I'm happy someone FINALY acknowledges the fact that Fionna and Cake where the only ones who got to choose there forms and everyone else have to deal with the fact they lost their old personalities and existence.
Episode 8 had me like "Okay but I have CONCERNS" 9 and 10 had me very relieved at how they were like "No, that's good, you should feel that way about their relationship, that's the moral of the story"
For me the best way to explain it is This finale felt like a season finale, not a series. This show has been doing really well so I hope there will be a season 2, as there are still questions i feel could be touched upon. I also want a series about Adult finn because the man is hurting.
Comment time: 1. Considering Fionna and pals were worried magic coming back would affect them negatively, them choosing to seemingly stay normal, while allowing people from other dimensions to stay might've been an attempt at a healthier compromise. 2. Until proven otherwise, I'm guessing Betty helped Simon and Fionna make her universe canon via the dandelion. 3. Maybe we'll learn what happened to Farmworld and Vampire World in season 2 if we get it? 4. Fionna has a giantess fantasy. Damn, where do I find a girl like that?!
I don't get why everybody expected the ending to be emotionally destroying. I am actually a little tired of animated endings that try way too hard to emotionally destroy their audience.
It's been frequent lately, yet I'm honestly glad that bittersweet/happy endings are being present, life can suck, life doesn't give you what you want but that doesn't mean that can't be a chance to be happy or be healing, I'd rather see Simon be healing than him dying or have a way to be back with Betty, even though he understood that he has to move on from that idea and treasure the memories he had with her.
Fern and FP together I think is incredible. FP definitely has a type Anyways, I think Fionna's arc, especially in this finale, is intended to be a parallel to the fans that grew up with Adventure Time. For me, Adventure Time was always a source of comfort and wonder, and so having a character that longs for that fantasy from childhood/another world is a perfect parallel to what some of us look for in our escapism in shows like this. To have Fionna accept her reality as is was a bit of a bummer in some ways, but the idea of still being able to find magic even in the mundane is something Fionna learned to accept and appreciate, and the show encourages fans to do the same in their own lives. Overall, it was bittersweet and a little underwhelming in some regards, but I think it's a beautiful message that they did an incredible job portraying.
Tbh, as a person who didn't watch adventure time all that much, the metaphor worked for me because I had no previous knowledge of their relationship before this show. I didn't even know who a betty was before watching Fiona and Cake.
The show may had provide closure for Simon but for Fiona I don't think it's escapism, she was made as a counterpart to Finn and the show felt like it scared her away from doing any more adventures. Like it's only for boys like Finn and Jake to enjoy. And Cake has the mindset of a regular house cat that can talk and walk with no equal footing with an owner and pet relationship. If there's a season 2, I'm fine with it taking place in the city as a slice of life but continue to go on adventures. Also I would like them regaining their original memories at some point and Fiona regaining her adventurous spirit or at show her being heroic and help people in need to show that she never lost it. As for Cake, I hope her owner and pet dynamic change, her character has a lot of room to grow I would love to see her make flapjacks for Fiona again.
I think the reason they left so many open endings for Fiona is so they had an opportunity to explore them if they are green lit for season 2; whereas for Simon, this is truly an ending to his story.
One of the aspects abt Simon being put into Shermy’s body is that we’re essentially seeing Jake again finally for the first time in this series (properly at least, not counting different dimensions) since he reincarnated into Beth. I feel like a reincarnation of Jake really is the best character to finally make Simon fully realize that him and Betty didn’t have a perfect relationship, especially with him having reached the 50th dead world previously making Beth an even more zen and wise version of him than ever.
I had the same thoughts about Fionna and Cake’s side of the ending, it definitely didn’t 100% land for me. I’m glad Simon’s ending was as great as it was
I easily feel this show could have been extended a few episodes and I felt a bit empty by the ending. Literally watching the last episode i was like "theres no way its ending here". After the Ice Prince dying Fionna is depressed and never does any "adventuring". Yes, I know, this is a different world/reality/dimension, its suppose to be relatible. But literally the entire premise was Fionna NOT liking her normal life and each Finn carnation having that sense of fight and adventure in them. Cake does all the heavy lifting (literally) in the later half and Fionna is given plot armor strawberries to help save the day. Idk, i get this was suppose to be different than adventure time, but the way it was advertised i thought we were getting the fionna and cake we saw previously in the end. Was that just me? The art, music, and relationship of the characters i love but the story arc for Fionna specifically felt cheated.
While I feel Simon’s story has concluded, I feel like Fionna and Cake’s is just beginning. That’s why I feel a Season 2 is on the horizon. Others have noted this but this really felt more like Simon Petrikov Future than it did Fionna & Cake. That’s not to say the two didn’t have their moments, I just feel like the bigger heavy hitters are being saved for later.
I have 100% convinced myself that Farmworld Finn's anti-piercing vampire resistant hat saved him from a puncture. Also this is our boy Finn we're talking about, no blood, no body, no deaths here.
Hope we get more mini series like this every once in a while. It would also be a great way to check in on characters that didn't get conclusions. Like maybe in the next season we see FarmFinn receiving medical care, what happened to the vampire universe, does the Litch's depression extend to all of them, mabye there can be a whole arc with that new universe Scrabby made and it gives the the FC people the ability to switch between their magical and non magical selves, there could be a whole identity crisis arc over it: who am I now that i DO have options? Maybe Simon has some latent magical ice powers from wearing the crown for so long? There's so many ideas that could be explored!
Simon was so obsessed with his happiness and saw Betty as like a way for him to get it and he was thinking if he's happy then so is she. He needs to get out of his own head and realise he's dealing with another entire human being rn and not everything revolves around him. He never had to wake up because Betty was ok with playing the part and he had no other friends
Look. I take J & LD appearing in Fionna world as a confirmation that Farm Finn ain’t dead. He would probably have stayed if FF died, and probably would have said something like “after my dad died…”. Also, he was “impaled” with no blood? While wearing a vampire resistant hat. He’s fine.
I think the ending should have been that when Simon is trying to get back to Ooo, he ends up back in Prismo's time room, where he makes a wish on Prismo that Fionna and Cake's world becomes a part of the multiverse proper, and since everyone gets one wish, and we know Prismo couldn't bring Betty back for Simon, he's probably owed one. I think that would have tied everything up a bit better, and it would have paid off Prismo saying he thought he could do something just before Simon and the girls started jumping realities in the first place.
Recently, I had my own version of the ending. Simon himself makes a wish on the dandelion. He wish to become Fionna and Cake's universe. After making this wish, he sacrifices his physical shell to make Fionna-world material and canon. And his soul turns into a field of similar dandelions, so that everyone can make their wish, but on condition. If the wish is well thought out and from the heart, then it will come true. And if the heart of the one who desires is filled with malice, then the dandelion has no effect on him. That would solve the problem with Fionna-world's people, who wants to be magical and together they can defeate Scarab. And also they will never have dragged people from other universes there. I came up with this idea after reading a "Character Rant" Reddit post about it. There, the author didn't like that the lesson about Simon not paying attention to Betty's desire somehow gives him a chance to get a taste of life again. It doesn't make sense to him, because knowing that life has value and assimilation in a world where you have no place are not connected in any way. Because Simon is really out of place in OOO. Author came to an interesting conclusion - Casper & Nova should be a reminder to Simon that he was once again faced with a choice: help himself or Fionna and Cake (like with protecting Marcy or save his sanity). And Simon chooses to help his friends by sacrificing himself. For example, by becoming the new Prismo, since our Prismo was responsible for this mess, or something like that. That can make a bittersweet, but beautiful and tearjerking ending. Because Simon and Betty are always making big sacrifices for one another, even on a universal scale.
Thank fuck. Someone finally acknowledging some of the strange narrative choices about Fiona and cakes ending. I’ve been seeing so much content on how awesome and perfect Simons arc was and how they loved him and Betty’s ending and that’s awesome, I love seeing that stuff but I’ve been waiting soooo long for someone to actually acknowledge the rest of the ending and share my feelings about it.
I see DJ Flame is keeping that mentality of “opposites attract” that Flame Princess had with Finn when she thought he was a water elemental. 😊 Honestly a cute ship.
I'd like to think that the seemingly underbaked finale is just a gateway for future seasons, with certain setups and unanswered questions. fingers crossed that's the case
Yeah, the mix of magical and mundane people. Why not? WHY NOT?! I'm sometimes think about Fionna having three magic dandelions instead of one. First one - for making world canon. Second one - for fixing the mess she made in her adventure. And third one - for people who wants to be magical.
Fionna & cake... it has a lot of potential but it kinda feels clunky in comparison to Adventure Time. There were some great ideas that just needed a little more time to breathe and focus.
I think the main reason its flawed is because they didnt know if season 2 would come to pass, so they thought to try and give it a decent end incase but leave it open
I feel like the last episode was written in that way to simultaneously have potential for a season two if fans demanded it enough while also giving an okay bittersweet ending if there isn’t a chance to get one
The book that Shermy/Simon read in the future is actually written by himself. Simon says explicitly "The Simon of this reality also wrote a book about antique artifacts". Its just probably that our Simon later in his life after the incident with Golbetty wrote that book knowing that 1000+ years in the future Shermy/Simon would read it.
I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING!!! The style of the episode titles being just names or what people are known as is probably a continuation on the season 4 finale to season 5 premiere episode titling style, where it was names. Like, the season 4 finale was “the lich”, and season 5 premiere was “Finn the Human” and “Jake the Dog”. So with Fionna and Cake being about the multiverse, is probably also a continuation of that or something.
Thank you! You literally voiced every thought I had on the finale myself. Simon's arc was great, but Fionna and Cake's was. . .fun, but problematic. I think I would have felt differently if we saw a few people changing their forms in the background, and the ending montage showed a mishmash of human versions of familiar characters and others who had opted to become their more magical versions (like, I can understand Fern staying human, but I would have loved to have seen BMO running around as their. . . non-inanimate appliance self), and then the implications of Jay's abandoning his family is chilling at best. : /
My immediate thought when Jay and Destiny asked to stay was wondering what happened to Jay’s family. We never had any follow up on if Farmworld Finn died or not plus the fates of his siblings were left up in the air.
With how eager this show has been to show blood, and how Farmworld Finn didn’t have so much as a stain on his hat, I feel like that makes it most likely he got a concussion more than anything. Maybe his hat has padding or something And besides, it’s like Little Destiny says, they have working toilets, they kinda just wanna enjoy this functioning world while they can
I really like the idea that what it means to be canon is for the magic of a universe to be broadly distributed. Kind of says death of the author stuff, like "what is improtant and real about this work is what matters to the fans".
I'm really glad you had the same thoughts I had. The ending bothered me with how no one else got a choice except for her and cake. Why would cake be the only magical being? What about other animals? Other people? What about the people they took the magic from? Did they revert back or are they just perpetually a normal object forever? Also, I understand what they were doing with Scarab- but I kinda wish he got some sort of redemption or at least make us feel like he deserved one. I don't see what's wrong with wanting to do your job and do it right and being frustrated that everyone else is just letting Fionna and Cake hop around killing people. It's so frustrating to have a well liked coworker that can get away with anything but you do what you're suppose to and you're seen as stuck up. You start doing what they're doing and everyone calls you out for it...but people seriously didn't care that Prismo was just ignoring his duties and putting universes in danger?.. I don't like that they didn't touch on that at all. The ending super bothered me when the farmworld teens show up and just- stay?? Like you said, what about Finn? Jay's siblings? Are we going to get a reboot in this universe where baby Finn tries to make the world magic again? I didn't like that they were "sent to help" but didn't really do much. It felt rushed and I haven't been able to put my finger much on why besides the loose ends that I noticed or the things they decided to gloss over. I believe they left it open for a series where maybe they explore different universes per season. I refuse to believe they just forgot about these open ends. I overall understand that not everything can be magical and that sometimes you need to come to terms in your own life to be happy and stay grounded but when you know magical worlds actually exist I feel like it would make it kind of hard to want to let go entirely of those fantasies.
I feel like a way to easily fix the problem with the finale would be for a lot of the characters to become magical if they want in the dandelion scene, and for them to fight back together. Then, in the montage they could show Simon hanging out with Marcy and jays family all chilling in Fionna world.
I kinda disagree with how you feel about Fionna and Cake's end. The idea is that they want all this magic and adventure and stuff, but they didn't understand that all that magic comes hand in hand with tragedy, war, and death. There is no perfect wonderful magic universe where you can fight monsters and stuff. All of Adventure Time was showing us how the world of season 1 was far more complex and tragic than we thought.
honestly, on top of being a fun callback, sending simon to the future confirms she doesnt experience time linearly so she has had to sit with an infinite understanding of their situation while watching their time together over and over again with her ex banging on her door for twelve years while he has every opportunity to use the life she Gave him to take care of himself and those around him better, and the end of the show is just that.. getting a little better one day at a time. Goddamn i love this show
@professorpengu502 Yah, without that, he would still be aiming for the crown, He would have never snapped back to reality, and fiona's world would have been repoed.
I'm not going to lie, I was a little disappointed that Prismo's back-up wasn't OG Finn and Huntress Wizard to tag team with Fionna and Cake to curbstomp the Scarab.
Honestly I absolutely believe Simon deserved a better arc conclusion than Fiona and Cake, story wise its been over a thousand years of him suffering from his choices, reality wise its been almost fourteen.
When I watched the finale, I thought it was amazing how Marshall and Gary basically prioritized their relationship and how happy they were together. Literally, I’m so ecstatic, even now, that they are together. Literally LOVE the creators of the show for putting them together
Would’ve been nice if Farmworld Finn and the others came. Also I wonder how Simon would’ve reacted to meeting a version of Betty that was driven mad by the crown instead.
I think Jay's causal attitude meant Farmworld Finn was fine, got to remember these characters tend to be more durable than real-world Humans, especially the Finns. Probably was just unconscious for a bit.
I think Fionna and Cake's ending feels underwhelming is because Simon's crushed our feelings. They both have their problems, but Simon's one had been prepared for years and a ton of episodes. Fionna and Cake... we know them only for ten episodes. We don’t have time to create an ending on the long run. We need someghubg effective. And what is effective? A big fight between the protagonist and the antagonist. We came back to what was Adventure Time in the first place: a fun adventure with a great hero against a scary bad guy. Personally, I really appreciate Fionna's ending. Because I relate more to her than Simon? Because the trope of "fantasy is not what you need" talks to me more than "don’t let your partner sacrifice themselves all the time for you"? Maybe. But it's a normal, fun, ending. An ending fitting what Fionna and Cake had been during these ten episodes. (And I really like Scarab's ending too because I felt bad for him the whole show. He was just doing his job!)
I was mad about jay and LD abandoning jays orphaned siblings, but my head cannon is jays willingness to leave his family is proof that farm finn is still around to take care of them
i genuinely think this series was supposed to be just about simon, but the executives wanted a fionna and cake series. so they're kind of an after thought
I think it would have been if Simon had called marcaline during some time when he was thinking about sacrificing himself to have a real heart filled goodbye to her and then maybe she would have come in at some point to try and stop him or talk him out of it I think that would have been a sweet moment
I feel like they could've done so much more with Fionna in terms of character development/existential horror, but they stuck too closely to making her arc parallel Simon's, even when it didn't always make sense for her/her world's lore.
@@ShrimpyDoesTH-cam yeah but like the finale points out that would completely change there lives and that's not a decision that fionna and cake can make for people
I thought Simon would blow the dandelion and then by spreading their universe it would be safe somehow. It kind of feels like a paradox that Simon put the universe inside the universe. It also bothers me a bit how everyone just blames Simon for how their relationship happened. I don’t remember how long they were together, but she could at any moment have talked to him about what she wanted. He just went along with what he was planning to do because he didn’t know what else to do. He was surprised that someone believed in him and overwhelmed by what they did. She wasn’t forced to do anything, she did it because she fell for an explorer and author she was interested in. She also calls him an experience at the end. It just doesn’t sounds right
I'm staying with the thought that Jay staying in fionna world pretty much confirms that farmworld finn survived. I'm 100% sure he wouldn't leave his siblings alone if their dad died.
I'm confused why everyone thinks farm world finn died. This series hasn't been shy about showing blood, yet when he was "impaled" there wasn't even a drop. Also I'm sure jay would be a lot more upset and not leave his siblings if his dad had just died😂
I think we can all agree that Simon’s arc was perfect. I can appreciate the choices book, b/c, even if the viewer didn’t need it spelled out for them, Simon did. He needed to realize that the imbalance in their relationship is what led to these outcomes. Also, I kinda wish the denizens of Fionna World got their memories of the magic back. Let them all realize that their dreams were in fact part memory, & let them see how they were. This creates a unique situation where everyone would get to choose what they want to be when Fionna makes her wish. Like Cake, they could choose to be magic & change to those forms, or choose to stay normal & keep living as they were. For people like Marshall, this would be a good option. It would also show that their world is now something new. It’s not Prismo’s fanfic, nor the de-magiced world they were forced into. It’s a mix & its own thing.
I don't think farm world Finn got impaled if he was we would probably see some blood gushing from his skull. I think he just got pounded hard on the ground and got knocked out by the scarab, in the very worst case I believe he has a concussion and is being nursed back to health by his kids. Also because of the last episode it seems that the scarab isn't allowed to kill anyone from the canon multiverse.
Thoughts on the Finale?
99.9/100
tough show to end. The end was great, but the Fionna resolution was a little shaky and I really wanted Simon to stay with Betty-golb. Scarab was more of a plot device than a villain.
@@noahhager1187 exactly
I wish we had more episodes
on the Jay issue, here's my two cents. I feel like there is at least some intention behind how Finn''s head was impaled with two sharp objects, similar to a vampire bite, which we know his hat protects against. That detail alongside the fact there was not a single bit of blood when we know they can just show that now uses a very show not tell way to convey to us that farmworld Finn is still alive.
Honestly I'm glad Simon finally reached some sort of closure, after all the guys been through, he seriously needed it. And meanwhile: lich becomes a tetris block. 💀
The Lich is the definition of wasted potential. In both this show and Adventure time.
@@valentinkambushev4968how so?
@@valentinkambushev4968the delegated the lich as a misunderstood purposeless form of Golbs chaos
Him being someone who worshiped golb to then be deleted is sad but his arc was always inevitable of the death of all things to I guess simp for golb
@LUCAS420BLZ golb is the god of chaos. Those tetras blocks are probably a bunch of people that feel like their life has no purpose. Since chaos itself is purposeless lich took this to mean that it wanted everything destroyed. But destroying everything doesn't create chaos, the only thing it does is create stale dead environments. He thought that golb would reward him for his efforts and blamed all his actions on golb.
People need to stop regulating everything down to just simping. It's really stupid. Fact is he just didn't understand golb just like Simon didn't understand Betty.
W pfp🗿
I love the fact that even though there's magic in her world now, Fionna is appreciating the normal parts of life. It's great.
@@Egg-Thor I phrased it poorly, okay?
@@Egg-Thor what about all of the crossovers?
@@Egg-ThorUh did YOU watch the finale? Dumb dumb. They got a whole magic candy tank being driven around by a baby. They were served by a fire monster. Cake is not the only magical thing there now
i find it oddly comforting in a sense, like it speaks to that relatable part of all of us where we try to find beauty in the mundane
I kinda wish they had gone the route of getting magic into her world, it would open up the show to a guaranteed 2nd season (or more) where they have to fix the damage the magic does to her original world. If it did change the characters of her world, it would kinda suck, but adventure time is no stranger to having tragic outcomes for many of it's characters. Idk, I just feel like if they continue the show, it will be weird since there's no magic in her world which makes it a little less interesting. Also, if they want to keep exploring the multiverse, what would be their excuse to get back to traveling the multiverse? (And actually I don't mind the mundanity of her world, but it is better when it is contrasted with the magic of the land of Ooo).
I don't think GBetty was trying to criticize Simon. They were both human and did what they thought was best in order to find their happiness. If Simon knew better, he would have done better. I think Betty was actually trying to say "I sacrificed a ton for you and don't regret it because I think you ARE worth it, and your life has value. If not for yourself, try to do it for me." Of course, the message was sliiightly dilluted by Betty becoming an omnipotent omniscient being and therefore reducing her time with Simon to "an experience" but the love was still there.
Couldn't have put it in a more better way, she was trying to convey him this message the whole time, that she had sacrificed so much for him and she doesn't regret it because she values his life more than anything and that he should also learn to accept himself for who he is and just move on, it also makes sense because if he had put on the crown again, it would've only endangered his life while also neglecting betty's sacrifice of keeping him safe
He did do better. The show just for some reason ignores Simon goes with Betty's decisions multiple times in the series. And even when he tries to convince her not to sacrifice herself...she ignores him.
When Simon tries to warn Betty about the snakes...she ignores him. And saying "we both made mistakes" doesn't cover that.
You can have the point to move on...but not showing Betty reflect on her specific mistakes makes it seem one sided.
@@lProN00bl I have been someone like Betty. trust me their relationship was not healthy. Simon saying "why would I?" when Fiona asked if he went on the bus explained everything. Nobody is the bad guy. Simon prioritised his happiness and his goals and Betty was okay with doing that too. In turn, Betty lost herself. Even as GBetty, she still would do everything in her power for his happiness. Simon never prioritised her life, just his life with her. We both know if the roles were reversed, Betty would never dismiss Simon's idea abt snakes and she wouldn't let Simon sacrifice himself. That's the problem. She had a whole life and she constantly decides to follow this guy around and he never even thought abt the life she gave up. They could choose each other and still be happy. Its ok to prioritise and be obsessed with your partner a healthy amount and only if they do it back
The show put it best. If Simon hadn't been so selfish, maybe he had never found the crown. And him and Betty would have died together.
@@lProN00bl I don't think the show is blaming Simon though, Beth even says that what happened with Nova isn't necessarily Casper's fault either.
Betty was a very impulsive person and Simon was a very passive one. Betty constantly jumped at the chance to sacrifice herself and Simon just didn't notice and stop her. No one is the bad guy here, they both could have made better choices.
No matter anyone says, I'm just glad baby Finn is safe
The one good tp
Well he is a buff baby
I was so worried about him since that episode, I’m glad he’s ok 😅
@@Coolyblast And he can dance like a man
@@excusezmoi9823He can shake-a his fanny, he can shake-a his can.
I think the line that makes Shermy and Beth make the most sense is when Beth only explains the problem because she assumes that Simon is a child
Yeah see but that’s part of the issue, why did Simon act so childlike in those scenes? Doesn’t make sense
@@jerry3790 he was rushing because he was frustrated that he was just about to get what he wanted, ie wearing the crown again. But his relationship with Betty had always been immature. He had always let her give up for him and not vice versa
@@jerry3790 He wanted to get out fast and a lot, and help Fionna and Cake with their world, also tunnel vision like some people say.
@@jerry3790 Because Simon never had a mature view of his relationship
I love how Beth comments: "Well, you just a child, you don't undestand it yet"
LIKE DAMN way to tell us how immature Simon is when it comes to understanding relationships
I ADORE the fact that Fionna finally has a world with fantasy and adventure, but throughout this entire montage, we see her doing slice-of-life things and just hanging out with her friends. Perfect encapsulation of her arc.
??? Why is everyone saying that there's magic in their world now? Did everyone watch this finale with blindfolds on? The world stayed non magic. The only magic thing there is Cake.
@@Egg-Thormagic flows through the multiverse, their world was cut off and powered by the crown or it was a link with the magic of the multiverse... now this world is connected and just like in U before the war, magic exists here but it is still a bit weak and invisible so much.
@Darlf_Sevil
Plus, beings from other universes, such as some of Scarab's former prisoners, are staying. Fionna's World might become more urban fantasy as time moves on.
@@johnnygyro2295 Interesting idea: When they were in Simon's head, presumably their world was probably limited to the city, with little, if anything beyond it. Now that they're a legit universe, presumably they have a fully realized world to explore now. It's not impossible to think that far beyond the limits of the city, magic could exist, or even things like the crown, the Enchiridion, the Lich, etc. I could see urban fantasy elements slowly leaking into their day-to-day.
Lmao you stole this
It was so interesting to see how The Lich was just another lonely yet obsessed character who didn't understand their object of obsession outside of their own selfish desires.
But the litch was meant to be a machine his main function to delete all life. Prismo said it himself .
@@jabarilewis5665he still is everything he has ever done has been for golb he cares about nothing else when he can't accomplish that he shuts down
But the Lich is a like a machine. It's not his desire to destroy all life, it's the purpose he was created for. He's little more than a robot that has fufilled it's purpose and isn't needed anymore, the only difference being that the Lich is just self-aware enough to realise this at the end of all things.
It ruins the lich
@@Kor06. how?
Personally, I took the fact that Jay and Little Destiny moved to Fionna's world as confirmation that Farmworld Finn survived his ecounter with the Scarab. I dont believe that Jay would abandon his siblings so nonchalantly if his father was dead and I dont think that Prismo would help Scarab out if he did ended up killing someone who was not an anomaly.
Still, I think it would be more fitting if Prismo send OG Finn, along with Farmworld and Baby Finn (maybe the tank as well) to help Fionna just so we could have all the versions fighting together in one shot.
Maybe Prime Marceline as well. It’s very weird to me that we didn’t see her interact with Simon again, especially when episode 7 emphasized how important his role was in setting her on the right path.
Still, Jay left his dad and siblings behind without the chance of ever seeing them again.
@@JG-pt3xe i mean, it's not like universe-hopping is getting any rarer in adventure time.
@@JG-pt3xe as far as we know, they could've pulled an Owl House, and now we have doors interconnecting the universes that became crossed with one another due to Flona's meddling.
@@southernflight5078 Yeah, maybe Prismo's wish-granting shadow rizz made the multiversal law-keepers allow multiversal travel? (though, probably only within specific circumstances)
Hell, it could even lead to some interesting future plotlines! (Maybe a "Multiversal Quarantine" gets instilled when a Lich-Hand invasion begins brewing? That could be a fun way to give the Farmworld some extra closure)
It's heavily contextually implied that Farmworld Finn is fine. Everywhere else blood was used to depict dangerous wounds. There was no blood plus Scarab wasn't really on a killing spree until the end. It just doesn't make any sense to assume he is dead or even injured.
Damn how strong is that hat bruh 😭
@@fortnite5205 remember, animal hats can block a vampire's fangs. I like to think Scarab's legs are as sharp as vampire fangs
Jay would not be that willing to stay if his father and siblings weren't okay.
@@fortnite5205 Strong enough to protect from vampires I would assume.
@@LiliannEnder why would it be as strong as a main timeline Finn hat
The shermy thing has deeper meaning than you realize. Betty trapped Simon in a time loop to protect him. The book/game was written by simon thousands of years before shermy. Simon learned his lesson then writes the book and the cycle never ends
Considering Astrid, the Fionna fan girl, was drawing Casper and Nova in her notebook, it's possible she was the one who wrote the book after hearing Simon's stories. Otherwise, yeah, it's a time loop.
@@johnnygyro2295I prefer what you said. I don't like time loops that are so tightly closed. The idea that the book was written anyways as her own original idea and it connects via that just feels nicer to me, like it makes more sense in a way.
@redactedoktor it would still be the same time loop whether Simon or the fan wrote the book. The only reason the fan was drawing those charaters was because Simon became shermy and learned that lesson. Simon had no interest in the fan before this adventure.
@@johnnygyro2295 It is stated that the author of the game book is Simon himself in Episode 8, around 20:16 or somthing.
I'm not sure why they decided to show us the scene in which Astrid sketch the two characters. Maybe she will be the artist for the game book, but it is Simon who writes the story as he is stated to be the author.
I'd like to use the excuse "it's not about the destination, it's about the journey" when talking about this finale. My feelings are basically that I'm willing to let the ending slide since literally the rest of the episodes were absolutely a masterpiece, each and one of them.
I think, with the ending, Fionna accepting her world was more than just the Scarab destroying it all. I think it was more so due to the fact that most of the worlds she's seen have gone to shit. She also had the dream of her world being a dark, twisted nightmare rather than the fantasy she wanted. She also watched as others suffered/would suffer so that she can get her world. All the people that died on her journey because of her actions. There's also the fact that many of the people were happy with their world as it was. She just didn't want to sacrifice others anymore and would rather accept her world instead.
I personally see it as a logical conclusion for her.
It may have took a long ass time but our boy Simon has finally gets a conclusion to his story after what? A decade
Sometimes people learn stuff the hard/long way and Simon apparently fits the bill because after all these years didn’t give true respect or love to Betty even though he actually loved her.
@@Mrcharles. To be fair Betty was all too eager to sacrifice herself. We see at the start of their relationship that Betty readily sacrificed her studies and degree to go with simon on one of his trips and then when he offers to share the glory, she declines feeling that the glory should belong to simon alone, even though simon ADMITS he wouldn't have been successful without her.
@@dandereninja4750Also Betty jumping through the time portal is realistically the only way for her to have survived the apocalypse
@@dandereninja4750 Yeah. Simon's mistake was being too much in his own head to realize what Betty was doing but Betty's actions weren't his fault. They both made their choices, it was side multiple times.
You know, when Fionna made that wish and blew on the dandelion-world thing and it spread out and got absorbed by everyone, it might have been better if some of the human characters became their fantasy counterparts. Like they sort get to be what they really want, to be who they really are like Cake, either as a normal human or their Ooo magical counterpart.
Also, totally agree with you on the Farmworld characters and Baby Finn. It would have been better if they did not leave their worlds/came to Fionna's world. It's very jarring that they're here.
Yeah, I agree it would've been cool to see a mix of magical selves and mundane
Me too, ngl, I was a little disappointed
i love that idea but gary and marshall should've remained humans anyway can we agree on that
I don't think anyone else would know what they were before to wish for it, the most they know is that it was just a dream
I liked Jay and Little Destiny helping out, but some confirmation on what happened in Farm World would've been nice. Maybe a season 2 would give context?
It’s really weird that Fiona’s normalizing touch never came up in the finale. That really felt like it was building up to something.
Well magic flows through the multiverse, their world was cut off and powered by the crown or it was a link with the magic of the multiverse... now this world is connected and just like in U before the war, magic exists here but it is still a bit weak and invisible so much. They drain magic bcs of it now conection exsist and they probady back to normal bcs magic flows again in big multiverse loop
Now that I think about it, yeah.
Season 2? Maybe.... please
Yeah…. Really thought they were gonna explain that. I guess it’s just because they weren’t canonized so their mere existence in other worlds was detrimental? But- would’ve liked a clearer explanation.
Hmmm, it wasn't because her universe was illegal and created by prismo? Now it's canon just like every other universe, so no primo magic corrupting everything
I think what Golbetty wanted was to stop Simon from making the same mistakes she made. It wasn't about calling him out for being a bad boyfriend (it was more complicated than that), but to show him where those self-sacrificing tendencies can lead you. The moment Simon realized "I have value beyond what my sacrifice can bring others", the cycle was broken.
My biggest issue with the finale is that Fionna didn't actually learn to appreciate her world, she just learned to fear others. She arrives at the conclusion that her world is good not because she learns to see the beautiful parts over the course of the series or realizes she's homesick for it while out in the multiverse, but by repeatedly being shown horrific alternate realities until she becomes too traumatized to want adventure anymore. Kind of a weird way to go about an arc that's supposed to be about seeing the beauty in life.
The problem is it showed that it is traumatizing; even Finn is traumatized. All the humans on ooo are also scared.
Life and learning are traumatizing.
There are two ways to learn fire can burn you
1) You touch it and get burned
2) Someone else scares you into never touching it for fear of a burn
Growth is incorporating that trauma into your life so that it doesn't spread and cause damage.
This comment right here is what we mean by "Twisting words". You negate all of the actual intent to flip the narrative upside down to fit your own. Canonically she has accepted living in a normal world and appreciating what she has because she knows she doesnt really have much reason to complain compared to others she has seen (namely the Ice King/Simon)
Shermy and Beth in my opinion being used in Fionna and Cake was a smart move because, for me, I don't think a show for them alone would be that great, just ok.
i disagree to be honest i am really interested with the development of that story
@@Dante-Balisk fionna and cake and adventure time were also not flawless people judge it way too good because "my childhood show". like fionna and cake to me looks not even a good writing. to me has sthe same quality as steven universe future because to me it just looks like milking the cow, pushing tons of stuff in to please the audience to get them back, and to apply to the modern shows in these modern times. nothing special, way too much (like adventure time already had as problem). it's meh.
shermy and beth were some blank pages that could be re-written. but fionna and cake which i actually liked as how they were presented as ff characters in the original show, just died for me here. because it's like they are randoms put in 200 alternative universes to attract viewers
@@loftikussWow, you sound like you have no concept of what good writing is and just came here to complain and be salty about "muh childhood"
@@loftikussfrankly sounds more like you just don't like adventure time all that much and have personal issues with how much people do like adventure time, plenty of people haven't even watched adventure time when they were kids and still love the show a lot because it's a great show to watch. You not liking it isn't bad writing it's you not liking it, you don't gotta justify you standing alone against a lot of people who do, you could do something better than that and just focus on what you do like.
I'd personally LOVE a Shermy and Beth show, though I do believe it could be a flop if it tried to be a kids show.
Honestly I think the only reason Fionna and Cake's arc feels off is because it's meant to be open-ended, there's a possibility of a next season but the creators just decided to make it end like that in the case that there isn't cause they likely already have something planned for the things like how come the other people in that town didn't have a choice in wanting to be normal or magical
Shermy & Beth's part was pretty great honestly, considering the fact that if you watch when they found the book for the crown Simon said 'This world's petrikov' wrote the book, it makes the most sense that Betty sent him to the future and still thinking that it's a different world. He essentially gave himself the realization that Betty wanted, so it wasn't just an unnecessary camio just so they could put Shermy & Beth into the finale
Preach, althought i didnt like the shermy and beth scene due to it feeling like a waste of time kinda. Ive appreciated it more due to this insight.
I’m hoping that all the characters that were brought into Fionna’s world are there as an way to give Season 2 a reason to revisit the worlds we left behind.
if there is a season 2, i want to see more inter dimensional travel. They left a lot in the open in most worlds
Legit canonical universes are made from people’s wishes. Fionna and Cake’s world was unauthorized because it wasn’t made from a wish, but from Prismo’s own creative expression.
However, with Fionna blowing her universe-dandelion thing, she made a wish. Now her world is finally tied to a wish, thus making it canonical and legit.
I think the dissonance between the Simon arc and the Fionna and Cake arc makes some 'out-of-universe' sense when we take into account that thing we heard about how this show apparently used a lot from the proposed Simon-focused episode of Distant Lands that never got made. It feels like this conclusion to Simon's arc is something that the writers have had in mind and really locked in for a long time now, possibly even during the writing of Adventure Time itself considering Betty's Mars episode. Whereas it seems like Fionna's and Cake's arc was conceived largely just for this show.
I’m so happy that Simon finally got some real closure. He still has some work to do since he is going to therapy, but I know he will have a happy ending.
I’m actually glad he’s getting therapy. Sometimes talking it out is really good for you even if Simon is talking to a Minerva robot.
Maybe there is a happy ending for him after moving on from Betty but only time will tell if that’ll happen.
@@Mrcharles. That wasn't a Minerva bot, it was Minerva herself.
I'm glad someone finally pointed out that jay essentially either left his now orphan brothers and sister behind or and note this still bad. His dad survived who is mostly a guarantee permanent brain damaged person with his youngest siblings to try and take care of him
Finn is a tough guy, he can probably take
It's a finn. He's fine
everyone's raising their eyebrow/giving jay side eye for 'abandoning his family' but prismo's the one that teleported them, the fact that they asked 'can we stay' implies that prismo would've teleported them back or given them a way to stay in touch if the worlds are connected now, and prismo can just do that reverse/editing like the original season to 'save' finn if he did get hurt, if not just drop finn off in some kinda world with a good hospital (and i'm sure finn's kids probably have basic training since he told Bonnie to make a barricade when he went off to chase Jay and Fionna)
maybe there could be a mini arc in a future season where he is injured but learns to rely on the townspeople/be forgiven even if ppl don't necessarily know finn was the one who had the ice cream originally before. tho it is kinda a missed opportunity for marcie to not be there in the end and having a heart to heart with simon or Ooo!Finn even tho we know he never rly 'got over' Jake's death even tho it was also implied he's still in touch with Huntress Wizard at that time
i think scarabs powers might be stronger than the average vamp but idk if they'd be fully allowed to kill someone that's not an "anomaly" or whatever, but even if we did get a season 2 idk if it'd focused on farmworld's finn's story as much unless it's a flashback b/c he's mostly gotten over his arc and such @@The1stSinna
Really the best way for the show to end was to show what each universe looks like during the montage, showing vampire world, baby world, litch world, farm word, things like that
Agree but except vampires' worldand the lich's world since those 2 world are beyond repair.
@@SMN9a
Yes, but for consistency sake we would see it, maybe going from normal universe and going through each dimension reverse on how we saw it, so the litch world would be next with nothing happening, then vampire where we just see some vamps living their best life’s so we never see if Bonnie or Marcy died, then we’d go to the baby verse and make our way keep working our way down
@@LCBKJust put like a single dandelion blooming on the lich's world and all is good
@@yohhh6715 to quote Jurassic park, life finds a way
I'm happy someone FINALY acknowledges the fact that Fionna and Cake where the only ones who got to choose there forms and everyone else have to deal with the fact they lost their old personalities and existence.
Episode 8 had me like "Okay but I have CONCERNS"
9 and 10 had me very relieved at how they were like "No, that's good, you should feel that way about their relationship, that's the moral of the story"
For me the best way to explain it is This finale felt like a season finale, not a series. This show has been doing really well so I hope there will be a season 2, as there are still questions i feel could be touched upon. I also want a series about Adult finn because the man is hurting.
Comment time:
1. Considering Fionna and pals were worried magic coming back would affect them negatively, them choosing to seemingly stay normal, while allowing people from other dimensions to stay might've been an attempt at a healthier compromise.
2. Until proven otherwise, I'm guessing Betty helped Simon and Fionna make her universe canon via the dandelion.
3. Maybe we'll learn what happened to Farmworld and Vampire World in season 2 if we get it?
4. Fionna has a giantess fantasy. Damn, where do I find a girl like that?!
4th point is wild 💀
@yohhh6715
I'm not sure what the skull's supposed to mean, but it is indeed wild.
@@johnnygyro2295Skull emojis have been used to represent shock or something insanely out of pocket.
@@trist10
Thank you.
@@johnnygyro2295it also means you've killed me with laughter.
I don't get why everybody expected the ending to be emotionally destroying. I am actually a little tired of animated endings that try way too hard to emotionally destroy their audience.
I think we're getting addicted to the pain.
It's been frequent lately, yet I'm honestly glad that bittersweet/happy endings are being present, life can suck, life doesn't give you what you want but that doesn't mean that can't be a chance to be happy or be healing, I'd rather see Simon be healing than him dying or have a way to be back with Betty, even though he understood that he has to move on from that idea and treasure the memories he had with her.
@@nicoleflores2054 agree. I am also glad that they didn't kill Simon... only to bring him back a few minutes later, like lots of shows do.
@@drakefire6675 speak for yourself.
Honestly yeah. We've already had enough doom and gloom that it's perfectly fine to have a nice happy ending so long as it works with the narrative
Fern and FP together I think is incredible. FP definitely has a type
Anyways, I think Fionna's arc, especially in this finale, is intended to be a parallel to the fans that grew up with Adventure Time. For me, Adventure Time was always a source of comfort and wonder, and so having a character that longs for that fantasy from childhood/another world is a perfect parallel to what some of us look for in our escapism in shows like this. To have Fionna accept her reality as is was a bit of a bummer in some ways, but the idea of still being able to find magic even in the mundane is something Fionna learned to accept and appreciate, and the show encourages fans to do the same in their own lives. Overall, it was bittersweet and a little underwhelming in some regards, but I think it's a beautiful message that they did an incredible job portraying.
Tbh, as a person who didn't watch adventure time all that much, the metaphor worked for me because I had no previous knowledge of their relationship before this show. I didn't even know who a betty was before watching Fiona and Cake.
I binged adventure time and distant lands because I heard this show was out
The finale of Fionna and Cake was baked with love! 😍
I was absolutely blown by the ending! It made me wanna figure out what’s next for cake and Fiona now that they’re world is official.
The show may had provide closure for Simon but for Fiona I don't think it's escapism, she was made as a counterpart to Finn and the show felt like it scared her away from doing any more adventures. Like it's only for boys like Finn and Jake to enjoy. And Cake has the mindset of a regular house cat that can talk and walk with no equal footing with an owner and pet relationship. If there's a season 2, I'm fine with it taking place in the city as a slice of life but continue to go on adventures. Also I would like them regaining their original memories at some point and Fiona regaining her adventurous spirit or at show her being heroic and help people in need to show that she never lost it. As for Cake, I hope her owner and pet dynamic change, her character has a lot of room to grow I would love to see her make flapjacks for Fiona again.
I think the reason they left so many open endings for Fiona is so they had an opportunity to explore them if they are green lit for season 2; whereas for Simon, this is truly an ending to his story.
One of the aspects abt Simon being put into Shermy’s body is that we’re essentially seeing Jake again finally for the first time in this series (properly at least, not counting different dimensions) since he reincarnated into Beth. I feel like a reincarnation of Jake really is the best character to finally make Simon fully realize that him and Betty didn’t have a perfect relationship, especially with him having reached the 50th dead world previously making Beth an even more zen and wise version of him than ever.
I had the same thoughts about Fionna and Cake’s side of the ending, it definitely didn’t 100% land for me. I’m glad Simon’s ending was as great as it was
I easily feel this show could have been extended a few episodes and I felt a bit empty by the ending. Literally watching the last episode i was like "theres no way its ending here". After the Ice Prince dying Fionna is depressed and never does any "adventuring". Yes, I know, this is a different world/reality/dimension, its suppose to be relatible. But literally the entire premise was Fionna NOT liking her normal life and each Finn carnation having that sense of fight and adventure in them. Cake does all the heavy lifting (literally) in the later half and Fionna is given plot armor strawberries to help save the day. Idk, i get this was suppose to be different than adventure time, but the way it was advertised i thought we were getting the fionna and cake we saw previously in the end. Was that just me? The art, music, and relationship of the characters i love but the story arc for Fionna specifically felt cheated.
totally agree on everything you said
While I feel Simon’s story has concluded, I feel like Fionna and Cake’s is just beginning. That’s why I feel a Season 2 is on the horizon. Others have noted this but this really felt more like Simon Petrikov Future than it did Fionna & Cake. That’s not to say the two didn’t have their moments, I just feel like the bigger heavy hitters are being saved for later.
I have 100% convinced myself that Farmworld Finn's anti-piercing vampire resistant hat saved him from a puncture. Also this is our boy Finn we're talking about, no blood, no body, no deaths here.
Hope we get more mini series like this every once in a while. It would also be a great way to check in on characters that didn't get conclusions. Like maybe in the next season we see FarmFinn receiving medical care, what happened to the vampire universe, does the Litch's depression extend to all of them, mabye there can be a whole arc with that new universe Scrabby made and it gives the the FC people the ability to switch between their magical and non magical selves, there could be a whole identity crisis arc over it: who am I now that i DO have options? Maybe Simon has some latent magical ice powers from wearing the crown for so long? There's so many ideas that could be explored!
Simon was so obsessed with his happiness and saw Betty as like a way for him to get it and he was thinking if he's happy then so is she. He needs to get out of his own head and realise he's dealing with another entire human being rn and not everything revolves around him. He never had to wake up because Betty was ok with playing the part and he had no other friends
Hmmm... 50/50 agree.
The twist of The Lich's true condition truly amazed me. Bravo to the team that worked on the show🔥✍️
Look. I take J & LD appearing in Fionna world as a confirmation that Farm Finn ain’t dead. He would probably have stayed if FF died, and probably would have said something like “after my dad died…”.
Also, he was “impaled” with no blood? While wearing a vampire resistant hat. He’s fine.
I think the ending should have been that when Simon is trying to get back to Ooo, he ends up back in Prismo's time room, where he makes a wish on Prismo that Fionna and Cake's world becomes a part of the multiverse proper, and since everyone gets one wish, and we know Prismo couldn't bring Betty back for Simon, he's probably owed one. I think that would have tied everything up a bit better, and it would have paid off Prismo saying he thought he could do something just before Simon and the girls started jumping realities in the first place.
Recently, I had my own version of the ending.
Simon himself makes a wish on the dandelion. He wish to become Fionna and Cake's universe. After making this wish, he sacrifices his physical shell to make Fionna-world material and canon. And his soul turns into a field of similar dandelions, so that everyone can make their wish, but on condition. If the wish is well thought out and from the heart, then it will come true. And if the heart of the one who desires is filled with malice, then the dandelion has no effect on him. That would solve the problem with Fionna-world's people, who wants to be magical and together they can defeate Scarab. And also they will never have dragged people from other universes there.
I came up with this idea after reading a "Character Rant" Reddit post about it. There, the author didn't like that the lesson about Simon not paying attention to Betty's desire somehow gives him a chance to get a taste of life again. It doesn't make sense to him, because knowing that life has value and assimilation in a world where you have no place are not connected in any way. Because Simon is really out of place in OOO. Author came to an interesting conclusion - Casper & Nova should be a reminder to Simon that he was once again faced with a choice: help himself or Fionna and Cake (like with protecting Marcy or save his sanity). And Simon chooses to help his friends by sacrificing himself. For example, by becoming the new Prismo, since our Prismo was responsible for this mess, or something like that. That can make a bittersweet, but beautiful and tearjerking ending. Because Simon and Betty are always making big sacrifices for one another, even on a universal scale.
Thank fuck. Someone finally acknowledging some of the strange narrative choices about Fiona and cakes ending. I’ve been seeing so much content on how awesome and perfect Simons arc was and how they loved him and Betty’s ending and that’s awesome, I love seeing that stuff but I’ve been waiting soooo long for someone to actually acknowledge the rest of the ending and share my feelings about it.
I see DJ Flame is keeping that mentality of “opposites attract” that Flame Princess had with Finn when she thought he was a water elemental. 😊 Honestly a cute ship.
one thing that I love is that we kindoff got the equivalent of Finn´s iconic scream inb Fiona form (evidence: 14:14 )
Considering that this is a show that accepts blood and gore, when Finn was "impaled" in the head, there was no blood.
I'd like to think that the seemingly underbaked finale is just a gateway for future seasons, with certain setups and unanswered questions. fingers crossed that's the case
I feel like the ending should have had a mix. Some people wanting to be more fantastical others staying as themselves.
Yeah, the mix of magical and mundane people. Why not? WHY NOT?!
I'm sometimes think about Fionna having three magic dandelions instead of one. First one - for making world canon. Second one - for fixing the mess she made in her adventure. And third one - for people who wants to be magical.
Fionna & cake... it has a lot of potential but it kinda feels clunky in comparison to Adventure Time. There were some great ideas that just needed a little more time to breathe and focus.
Love the use of a dandelion
You know the meaning of blowing an dandelion
I think the main reason its flawed is because they didnt know if season 2 would come to pass, so they thought to try and give it a decent end incase but leave it open
Is there gonna be a season 2 or no bc I really want it
I feel like it's more like they leave the door open for a potential of a season 2 than straight up confirming one is in the work
@@neonpluralThey are Trying for One, but HBO hasn't Confirmed or Greenlit it Yet, from What I Hear.
@@dr.blockcraft6633 ok thanks
I feel like the last episode was written in that way to simultaneously have potential for a season two if fans demanded it enough while also giving an okay bittersweet ending if there isn’t a chance to get one
The book that Shermy/Simon read in the future is actually written by himself. Simon says explicitly "The Simon of this reality also wrote a book about antique artifacts". Its just probably that our Simon later in his life after the incident with Golbetty wrote that book knowing that 1000+ years in the future Shermy/Simon would read it.
I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING!!! The style of the episode titles being just names or what people are known as is probably a continuation on the season 4 finale to season 5 premiere episode titling style, where it was names. Like, the season 4 finale was “the lich”, and season 5 premiere was “Finn the Human” and “Jake the Dog”. So with Fionna and Cake being about the multiverse, is probably also a continuation of that or something.
Thank you! You literally voiced every thought I had on the finale myself. Simon's arc was great, but Fionna and Cake's was. . .fun, but problematic. I think I would have felt differently if we saw a few people changing their forms in the background, and the ending montage showed a mishmash of human versions of familiar characters and others who had opted to become their more magical versions (like, I can understand Fern staying human, but I would have loved to have seen BMO running around as their. . . non-inanimate appliance self), and then the implications of Jay's abandoning his family is chilling at best. : /
I think this ending shines more like a season finale rather than a series finale.
My immediate thought when Jay and Destiny asked to stay was wondering what happened to Jay’s family. We never had any follow up on if Farmworld Finn died or not plus the fates of his siblings were left up in the air.
With how eager this show has been to show blood, and how Farmworld Finn didn’t have so much as a stain on his hat, I feel like that makes it most likely he got a concussion more than anything. Maybe his hat has padding or something
And besides, it’s like Little Destiny says, they have working toilets, they kinda just wanna enjoy this functioning world while they can
MANNNN it WOULD have been cool if some people became magical and other people chose to remain as their city-selves
I really like the idea that what it means to be canon is for the magic of a universe to be broadly distributed. Kind of says death of the author stuff, like "what is improtant and real about this work is what matters to the fans".
I'm really glad you had the same thoughts I had. The ending bothered me with how no one else got a choice except for her and cake. Why would cake be the only magical being? What about other animals? Other people? What about the people they took the magic from? Did they revert back or are they just perpetually a normal object forever?
Also, I understand what they were doing with Scarab- but I kinda wish he got some sort of redemption or at least make us feel like he deserved one. I don't see what's wrong with wanting to do your job and do it right and being frustrated that everyone else is just letting Fionna and Cake hop around killing people. It's so frustrating to have a well liked coworker that can get away with anything but you do what you're suppose to and you're seen as stuck up. You start doing what they're doing and everyone calls you out for it...but people seriously didn't care that Prismo was just ignoring his duties and putting universes in danger?.. I don't like that they didn't touch on that at all.
The ending super bothered me when the farmworld teens show up and just- stay?? Like you said, what about Finn? Jay's siblings? Are we going to get a reboot in this universe where baby Finn tries to make the world magic again? I didn't like that they were "sent to help" but didn't really do much. It felt rushed and I haven't been able to put my finger much on why besides the loose ends that I noticed or the things they decided to gloss over. I believe they left it open for a series where maybe they explore different universes per season. I refuse to believe they just forgot about these open ends.
I overall understand that not everything can be magical and that sometimes you need to come to terms in your own life to be happy and stay grounded but when you know magical worlds actually exist I feel like it would make it kind of hard to want to let go entirely of those fantasies.
I feel like a way to easily fix the problem with the finale would be for a lot of the characters to become magical if they want in the dandelion scene, and for them to fight back together. Then, in the montage they could show Simon hanging out with Marcy and jays family all chilling in Fionna world.
this show is a relief for the soul
i really dont know what more you could possibly want from an ending, like it was such an amazing conclusion
I kinda disagree with how you feel about Fionna and Cake's end. The idea is that they want all this magic and adventure and stuff, but they didn't understand that all that magic comes hand in hand with tragedy, war, and death. There is no perfect wonderful magic universe where you can fight monsters and stuff. All of Adventure Time was showing us how the world of season 1 was far more complex and tragic than we thought.
I think the magical aspects of Fiona and Cakes world will slowly come out. Like people will gradually become more magical
Interesting. There’s comfirmed to be a season 2 coming soon
honestly, on top of being a fun callback, sending simon to the future confirms she doesnt experience time linearly so she has had to sit with an infinite understanding of their situation while watching their time together over and over again with her ex banging on her door for twelve years while he has every opportunity to use the life she Gave him to take care of himself and those around him better, and the end of the show is just that.. getting a little better one day at a time. Goddamn i love this show
also the ending being that everyone everyone fighting for their world, and showing protests against the landlord/ evil capitalist made me SO happy
I don't care how contrived or flimsy the premise for this show has to be for it to continue.
I want 100 years of Adventure Time.
i sobbed when i saw that Simon and Fiona could still talk to one another via text. i genuinely didn't expect so it broke me lmao
Im so glad they had Casper and Nova to develop Simon!
they were entirely pointless.
@@FishwicksREALit was what literally caused Simon to have a realization about his and Betty's relationship how is that pointless
@professorpengu502 Yah, without that, he would still be aiming for the crown, He would have never snapped back to reality, and fiona's world would have been repoed.
@@professorpengu502 it could have been done literally any other way that was more nuanced.
@@FishwicksREAL and that makes it pointless how?
I'm not going to lie, I was a little disappointed that Prismo's back-up wasn't OG Finn and Huntress Wizard to tag team with Fionna and Cake to curbstomp the Scarab.
I hope for season 2 everyone actually gets their choice and becomes magical or normal depending on what they chose.
Jay doesn't seem sad, so that sorta implies Finn isn't dead
Honestly I absolutely believe Simon deserved a better arc conclusion than Fiona and Cake, story wise its been over a thousand years of him suffering from his choices, reality wise its been almost fourteen.
I'm really satisfied with this conclusion. And if this is where the series ends i'm happy with that too.
When I watched the finale, I thought it was amazing how Marshall and Gary basically prioritized their relationship and how happy they were together. Literally, I’m so ecstatic, even now, that they are together. Literally LOVE the creators of the show for putting them together
Would’ve been nice if Farmworld Finn and the others came.
Also I wonder how Simon would’ve reacted to meeting a version of Betty that was driven mad by the crown instead.
What If Betty Wears The Ice Crown Instead Of Simon.
What If Betty Wears The Ice Crown Instead Of Simon.
I think Jay's causal attitude meant Farmworld Finn was fine, got to remember these characters tend to be more durable than real-world Humans, especially the Finns. Probably was just unconscious for a bit.
I think Fionna and Cake's ending feels underwhelming is because Simon's crushed our feelings. They both have their problems, but Simon's one had been prepared for years and a ton of episodes. Fionna and Cake... we know them only for ten episodes.
We don’t have time to create an ending on the long run. We need someghubg effective. And what is effective? A big fight between the protagonist and the antagonist. We came back to what was Adventure Time in the first place: a fun adventure with a great hero against a scary bad guy.
Personally, I really appreciate Fionna's ending. Because I relate more to her than Simon? Because the trope of "fantasy is not what you need" talks to me more than "don’t let your partner sacrifice themselves all the time for you"? Maybe. But it's a normal, fun, ending. An ending fitting what Fionna and Cake had been during these ten episodes.
(And I really like Scarab's ending too because I felt bad for him the whole show. He was just doing his job!)
I was mad about jay and LD abandoning jays orphaned siblings, but my head cannon is jays willingness to leave his family is proof that farm finn is still around to take care of them
that flame prince and fern, i'll be looking for lots of fanart in the near future
i genuinely think this series was supposed to be just about simon, but the executives wanted a fionna and cake series. so they're kind of an after thought
I think it would have been if Simon had called marcaline during some time when he was thinking about sacrificing himself to have a real heart filled goodbye to her and then maybe she would have come in at some point to try and stop him or talk him out of it I think that would have been a sweet moment
I'm missed Marceline and her connection with Simon. It was sad that she never show up and never visiting him, when he's back to OOO.
I feel like they could've done so much more with Fionna in terms of character development/existential horror, but they stuck too closely to making her arc parallel Simon's, even when it didn't always make sense for her/her world's lore.
Farmer Finn was probably fine after the Scarab attack then, don't think Jay would just leave his siblings to starve and die.
This show felt like it was ending just as it was starting
There wouldnt be a problem if Jay and Little D just said "we wanna stick around for a bit"
i feel like it should have still ended with their world becoming magic again, would be really cool to see.
I mean it is kind of the magic flows through the multivers which it's attached to and there are several magic beings there now
@@professorpengu502 sure but like their world going back to ooo and stuff
@@ShrimpyDoesTH-cam yeah but like the finale points out that would completely change there lives and that's not a decision that fionna and cake can make for people
@@professorpengu502 Those people were way happier in their past world then how they are now.
I thought Simon would blow the dandelion and then by spreading their universe it would be safe somehow. It kind of feels like a paradox that Simon put the universe inside the universe. It also bothers me a bit how everyone just blames Simon for how their relationship happened. I don’t remember how long they were together, but she could at any moment have talked to him about what she wanted. He just went along with what he was planning to do because he didn’t know what else to do. He was surprised that someone believed in him and overwhelmed by what they did. She wasn’t forced to do anything, she did it because she fell for an explorer and author she was interested in. She also calls him an experience at the end. It just doesn’t sounds right
Im just saying the promotion and soundtrack says its season 1
I'm staying with the thought that Jay staying in fionna world pretty much confirms that farmworld finn survived. I'm 100% sure he wouldn't leave his siblings alone if their dad died.
I'm confused why everyone thinks farm world finn died. This series hasn't been shy about showing blood, yet when he was "impaled" there wasn't even a drop. Also I'm sure jay would be a lot more upset and not leave his siblings if his dad had just died😂
Rebecca Sugar casually never knowing how to write a satisfying finale trend continues
I think we can all agree that Simon’s arc was perfect. I can appreciate the choices book, b/c, even if the viewer didn’t need it spelled out for them, Simon did. He needed to realize that the imbalance in their relationship is what led to these outcomes.
Also, I kinda wish the denizens of Fionna World got their memories of the magic back. Let them all realize that their dreams were in fact part memory, & let them see how they were. This creates a unique situation where everyone would get to choose what they want to be when Fionna makes her wish. Like Cake, they could choose to be magic & change to those forms, or choose to stay normal & keep living as they were. For people like Marshall, this would be a good option. It would also show that their world is now something new. It’s not Prismo’s fanfic, nor the de-magiced world they were forced into. It’s a mix & its own thing.
I don't think farm world Finn got impaled if he was we would probably see some blood gushing from his skull. I think he just got pounded hard on the ground and got knocked out by the scarab, in the very worst case I believe he has a concussion and is being nursed back to health by his kids. Also because of the last episode it seems that the scarab isn't allowed to kill anyone from the canon multiverse.
Marcy and Simon should have had 1 finale scene