Limit of x! over x^x as x goes to infinity

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  • @GermanAndres
    @GermanAndres ปีที่แล้ว +340

    It's amazing how passionate you are about teaching, thank you!
    Also "those who stop learning stop living" hit me hard.

  • @keithnisbet
    @keithnisbet 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Wow. I haven't done this kind of math since 1972 when in Physics program at university. Long unused but not totally forgotten. You have a wonderful teaching style, far better than the "Professors" that I had at the time. I love the logic and reasoning that allows such seemingly difficult problems to be solved. Thanks very much.

  • @jamesharmon4994
    @jamesharmon4994 ปีที่แล้ว +266

    What I immediately looked at was how the numerator and denominator are defined. The numerator is 1*2*3*4...x.
    .., the denominator is defined x*x*x*x...
    Clearly, the denominator is getting bigger faster than the numerator, so the limit will be zero.

    • @CovidIslandDiscs
      @CovidIslandDiscs ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Yes this one is very simple.

    • @BrjanBuckmaster
      @BrjanBuckmaster ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yup! I quickly came to the same conclusion.

    • @adw1z
      @adw1z ปีที่แล้ว +50

      It’s still not obvious that the limit tends to 0 and not some constant in (0,1) - that requires proving

    • @BrjanBuckmaster
      @BrjanBuckmaster ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@adw1z pretty obvious to me, especially when observing x! And x^x using my old friend Desmos. For x>0, x^x clearly blows away x!.

    • @christie6279
      @christie6279 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      why does the denom increasing faster than the numerator mean the limit is 0?

  • @adw1z
    @adw1z ปีที่แล้ว +454

    The Stirling approximation for the factorial would make this really quick!
    x! ≡ Γ(x+1) ~ sqrt(2πx) (x/e)^x as x -> ∞
    So x! / x^x = O(x^1/2 e^-x) as x -> ∞
    -> 0 as x -> ∞ , since e^-x is beyond all orders in x^k as x -> ∞
    (and nice thing is this clearly holds for non-integer x via the gamma function, so no need to worry about the factorial of a non-integer aspect in a continuous limit)

    • @scottparkins1634
      @scottparkins1634 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Yep that’s true, you can also use the AM-GM to get an upper bound of [(x+1)/2]^x for x! but this is overkill compared to the simple method presented here 😂

    • @maelhostettler1004
      @maelhostettler1004 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      however the proof of stirling involve Wallis Integral and general properties of equivalents... not that ez

    • @adw1z
      @adw1z ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@maelhostettler1004 I’ve done exactly that so I am satisfied, not sure about everyone else though 😭
      Also proved the Stirling series to the next order term using Laplace’s Method and And Watson’s Lemma, in fact:
      x! ≡ Γ(x+1) ~ sqrt(2πx) (x/e)^x * [ 1 + 1/(12x)
      + 1/(288x^2) + … ] as x -> ∞
      The first term of the series is the commonly known “Stirling Approximation”, which in itself is extremely accurate for large x so the other terms aren’t really needed, but still it’s very interesting!
      The point is to use what we already know - there’s no point in not using the Stirling Formula given it’s been proved and is now a common result. It’s like saying you can’t use the squeeze theorem, because u don’t know the proof of it. The result I showed is better anyways as it shows the asymptotic behaviour of the limit function at large x precisely, and not just the limiting result at infinity.
      And arguably, the Stirling series is not hard to show - just need a few integration by parts and clever substitutions. The foundations are set in stone

    • @lgooch
      @lgooch ปีที่แล้ว

      @@scottparkins1634I don’t think this is overkill, this a nice solution.

    • @filippochi143
      @filippochi143 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@maelhostettler1004very important observation! We often think some proofs are faster or simpler when they actually require some more advanced techniques, that require some longer or more difficult proofs. The beauty of mathematics is to prove apparently difficult statements with elementary techniques, trying to not overcomplicate things.

  • @enirgetec3523
    @enirgetec3523 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    Always a joy to watch these as a calc student who is beyond bored by my textbook's bland problems. Your passion is contagious, and you help me realize how beautiful math is. Thank you for these videos.

    • @ayushrudra8600
      @ayushrudra8600 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You should use aops books if you want more interesting problems / more of a challenge

    • @Kaze1111
      @Kaze1111 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What’s calc? UC Berkeley? They should have something way much harder than this

  • @gunz-oh3917
    @gunz-oh3917 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I'm Japanese, and I'm not good at English so much, but your explanation is very easy to understand for me.
    Thank you! and Excellent!

    • @PrimeNewtons
      @PrimeNewtons  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad to hear that!

    • @2sljmath
      @2sljmath 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      👌🏻👌🏻

  • @josearmandorz75
    @josearmandorz75 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    That is the most beautiful and satisfying limit demonstration I’ve ever seen

  • @Tmplar
    @Tmplar ปีที่แล้ว +62

    In Italy we call it “The Cops Theorem” because the two external functions are like cops carrying the middle function to their same limit (prison).

    • @w花b
      @w花b 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Same in France except we don't say cops but "gendarme" which is different but for the sake simplicity let's just say they're a kind of cop.

    • @o-hogameplay185
      @o-hogameplay185 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      same in hungary

    • @elfkrovv1690
      @elfkrovv1690 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Same in Ukraine, we call it: "Теорема про двух поліцейських" - Theorem about two cops

    • @Felix-hk7kn
      @Felix-hk7kn 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      In romania, we call it the "claw criterion"

    • @Tmplar
      @Tmplar 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @whitedemon6382 My favorite so far!

  • @cdkslakkend5742
    @cdkslakkend5742 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Honestly, great presentation. I understood from beginning to end. It's never always clear how creative logic can be applied when using inequalities. This example using the squeeze theorem to demonstrate how to rewrite the question in a form that looks much more digestible is priceless. Thank you.

  • @markrobinson9956
    @markrobinson9956 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    From one math teacher to another, you are a great teacher.

  • @harriehausenman8623
    @harriehausenman8623 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Such a beautiful chalkboard-writing 🤗 It really helps digesting the content since it is all so clearly readable and nicely ordered. Compared to others (*cough*Borcherds*cough*) this should have waaay more views and subs!
    Thanks for the great content!

  • @ice9ify
    @ice9ify ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bro, I just found this channel, and this is really great stuff. This wasnt new, yet very plainly explained. Great to see that the math content creators are not 100% whitebread

  • @eng954
    @eng954 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    your explanation and english are both very clear and understandable. As an old mentor of engineering math. i appreciated you so much.Thank u so much.

  • @mikezilberbrand1663
    @mikezilberbrand1663 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    X!=1*2*3*4*5.....*X, then the ratio is 1/x* 2/x*.....x/x. Each one is

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Can you clarify your notation please?

  • @jayniesgottagun
    @jayniesgottagun ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I never took Calc and I understood everything you said. You are marvelous.

    • @KSM94K
      @KSM94K ปีที่แล้ว

      That's big brain

  • @robvdm
    @robvdm ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This is a nice demonstration of the kind of fundamentals that mathematicians use frequently that many students don’t really encounter. I do bounds and rate stuff quite frequently and there’s always a bunch of little tricks that I use to get things into a nice form that aren’t really “advanced” but also aren’t exactly easy. You need to have a good mathematical awareness for this kind of stuff.

  • @foobar476
    @foobar476 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone else feel that there is sleight of hand in using

  • @alexandre9051
    @alexandre9051 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Haha great video! Studied calculus 20 years ago, I can still follow you... I'm glad I put the effort into learning it at the time! Thanks for the video, you made it look easy!

  • @tsulong
    @tsulong ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I've been out of school for ~15 years and i don't use anything more advanced than basic algebra for my current job. Coming back to these concepts is so much fun and so interesting. And you're such a great teacher too!

    • @knupug
      @knupug ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've been out of high school for 51 years (calc 1 and 2) and college for 44 (diff eq) and couldn't agree more!!

    • @indescribablecardinal6571
      @indescribablecardinal6571 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And that's sad. Research, programming with luck and teaching are the only accesible jobs where you can apply advanced maths.

  • @jimmybee7
    @jimmybee7 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    For every x >= 2, x! is smaller than x^x BECAUSE
    x^x = x•x•x•x…x•x (x times)
    x! = x•(x-1)•(x-2)…(2)•(1)
    The terms of x! are getting farther away from x, so x^x would in a way reach infinity faster, so the expression is like (small infinity)/(big infinity). This is more easily seen as 1/(infinity) or just 0.
    *Also multiplying out x! gives some polynomial with leading coefficient one: x^x - x^x + (xC2)x^(x-2) + …
    This means the degree of the numerator is smaller than the degree of the denominator, so the limit is zero.
    (x choose 2)x^(x-2) + …
    -------------
    x^x
    I think..?

    • @DeadCatX2
      @DeadCatX2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      This was my immediate intuition as well, the denominator "grows" faster so the result should approach zero as we approach infinity

    • @CovidIslandDiscs
      @CovidIslandDiscs ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep.

    • @wiilli4471
      @wiilli4471 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is not a mathematical proof lmao.

    • @sigsqrl
      @sigsqrl ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ⁠@@wiilli4471did they say it is?

    • @Bodyknock
      @Bodyknock ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It’s not quite that simple. For instance, consider the functions f(n) = (1/2 + 1/2ⁿ) n and g(n) = n, and look at f/g. The numerator decreases over time approaching n/2 while the denominator is always n. Notice that f is always moving “farther away” from the denominator, but their ratio is approaching 1/2 and not zero.

  • @johnfranchina84
    @johnfranchina84 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Electrical Engineer here - my degree was like a deep dive into maths which I loved. Love your passion for maths snd teaching.

  • @alikaperdue
    @alikaperdue ปีที่แล้ว +11

    My initial guess by looking at it is that it will approach 0. Because breaking it apart it will be a lot of factor terms that start with finites (1,2,3...) on the top and infinite on the bottom. Leading up to factors that approach 1.

    • @GigaChad46
      @GigaChad46 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I thought it too. Because x! is slower growing than x^x, thus even for small intigers making patern:
      Let x=3
      3!/3³ = 6/27 = 2/9
      Let x=4
      4!/4⁴ = 24/256 = 3/32
      Since 2/9 > 3/32, we can say this fuction tends to go to zero.

  • @gultuteferra8342
    @gultuteferra8342 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve never seen such a best teacher. Thank you so much.

  • @Frostnburn
    @Frostnburn ปีที่แล้ว +41

    For positive integer X, we know that X! = X * (X-1) * (X-2) * .... * 1, totalling X terms, we know X^X is X * X * X... * X, X terms, so X!/X^X is X/X * (X-1)/X * (X-2)/X * ... * 1/X
    We know that the first term is 1, the second term onwards all the way to 1/X is less than 1, so the original function is always less than 1 for any positive integer X. As X approaches infinity, the last term (1/X) approaches zero, so the original function must also approach zero.

    • @BossDropbear
      @BossDropbear ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Exactly. Not sure how this is a 10 min video.

    • @emurphy42
      @emurphy42 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@BossDropbearWhat would be more interesting is proving the same for the gamma function (generalizing factorial from integers to reals). Intuitively the ratio probably still continuously decreases, but I haven't tried to prove that it does.

    • @slr150
      @slr150 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah I did the same thing, but It's interesting to see other approaches.

  • @AdalbertMemminger-s8v
    @AdalbertMemminger-s8v 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One of the best videos I've ever seen. Fascinating problem solved in a fundamental yet brilliant way!!! Keep up the great work

  • @sugaruisland6387
    @sugaruisland6387 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't think "the squeeze theorem" is easy, but your neat and gentle explanation makes me understand this theorem. Even I'm not native speaker of English. Thank you very much.

  • @gallium-gonzollium
    @gallium-gonzollium ปีที่แล้ว +56

    honestly your presentation is so intuitive and awesome that i would want to have you as my calculus teacher. no joke youre actually on par with 3blue1brown, if not beyond, when it comes to visual learning like this. i commend the phenomal work here.

    • @juv7026
      @juv7026 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ..what?

  • @jpl569
    @jpl569 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Here is another way : assume x is a positive integer (otherwise, we use the gamma function and it’s - nearly - the same story).
    Let f be the fonction x -> x ! / x^x, from N to Q, and A (x) = f (x+1) / f(x).
    Then A (x) = f (x+1) / f(x) = (x+1) ! x^x / x ! (x + 1)^(x + 1) = x^x / (x + 1)^x = (1 + 1/x)^(-x) = exp (-x ln (1+1/x)).
    Using equivalents, we see that lim A (x) is 1/e when x -> ∞. Then, for x big enough, A (x) < 1/2 and f(x) < 1/2^x, which proves lim f (x) = 0.
    Thanks for your videos !

  • @ap1962
    @ap1962 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I really like your use and explanation of the squeeze theorom

  • @ВасилийПупкин-у9ь
    @ВасилийПупкин-у9ь ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's an amazing approach! Thank you from Russia!

  • @KarlChamoun
    @KarlChamoun ปีที่แล้ว +3

    just a clarification, the gamma function can be defined for negative non integers and can also be lower than 1 for positive numbers

    • @PrimeNewtons
      @PrimeNewtons  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      True. I realized what I said but it was too late 😢

  • @worldnotworld
    @worldnotworld 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very clear. And I love your cap. It suits you!

  • @inyobill
    @inyobill ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Good stuff, mate. Super clear discussion. Making complex concepts easy is a gift. I see why you're on the way to your million sub=scribers.

  • @سروشعلینژاد-م7ر
    @سروشعلینژاد-م7ر 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello, I am in the third year of studying mathematics. I really enjoyed solving the example and your teaching method. Thank you

  • @KennyMccormicklul
    @KennyMccormicklul ปีที่แล้ว +1

    man i tell you.. i dont get many new things that i listen to at the first time.. but in this case, i understood it at the first time. thank you man you are great :D!

  • @davidwright8432
    @davidwright8432 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice presentation, and clear explanation! I was pretty sure 'by inspection' (sorta guess) that the limit was 0, but couldn't prove it. Now I can! Wheee! Thanks.

  • @conceptsbuddy
    @conceptsbuddy ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you making a pretty straight forward question so complicated.
    x factorial = x.x-1……3.2.1
    Now take out x from each term
    x factorial = x^x(1.1-(1/x).1-(2/x)…2/x.1/x)
    Hence numerator and denominator in question cancel out and limit is equal to 0

  • @willa4you
    @willa4you 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fun fact: in Italy we call the squeeze theorem, the "teorema dei 2 carabinieri". Now, the carabinieri are technically policemen so the allegory is that two policemen heading somewhere are dragging with them the central function which is some kind of prisoner! 🙂

    • @PrimeNewtons
      @PrimeNewtons  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's a beautiful allegory.

    • @MouhibBayounes
      @MouhibBayounes 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      In french too!!
      We call it "theoreme des gens d'armes" 😂

  • @mbugday4685
    @mbugday4685 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You are absolutely right in case of natural numbers whereas we take limit of function over real numbers. According to your definition of factorial, it is not even defined on real numbers so that leads everything that you have done to be actually completely no sense.

  • @shmuelzehavi4940
    @shmuelzehavi4940 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice solution and explanation.
    You could make it even simpler by stating: 0 < x!/x^x ≤ 1/x

  • @DennisMüller-l9j
    @DennisMüller-l9j 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You consider the series sum_n^{infty} n!/n^n, use the quotient test, conclude that the series converges and deduce the limit of the sequence of summands to be zero.
    Note that when you write x!, you would typically mean the (continuous) Gamma-function, which coincides with a factorial only for integers x.

  • @epikherolol8189
    @epikherolol8189 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    We can easily say that the limit is 0 within 10s coz x^x will be greater than x!
    Coz exponential function outperforms multiplication by miles

  • @herodotomello
    @herodotomello ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man, you're great! Greetings from Brazil

  • @shgysk8zer0
    @shgysk8zer0 ปีที่แล้ว

    In this case it's obvious that x can't be negative, but in the general case how is the < ruled out to give just the = case?

  • @carlosalbertocuadros5469
    @carlosalbertocuadros5469 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good Job Professor

  • @hamzaemad8338
    @hamzaemad8338 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you you opened a way in my mind in maths section the way of your solving is very logic and good

  • @henrybarber288
    @henrybarber288 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Alternative method:
    The sequence a(n) = n!/n^n is decreasing since
    a(n+1) = a(n) * (n/n+1)^n < a(n).
    The sequence also has a lower bound since every term is positive.
    Therefore the sequence converges by monotone convergence.
    Notice that the limit as n
    approaches infinity of
    (n/n+1)^n = (1 - 1/n+1)^n
    is e^-1 = 1/e.
    So now
    lim a(n+1) = lim a(n) * (n/n+1)^n
    = 1/e * lim a(n).
    But lim a(n+1) = lim a(n) so this implies
    lim a(n) = 0.

  • @daniellopez3124
    @daniellopez3124 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very well explained, thanks you very much, greetings from Perú.

  • @jakubfrei3757
    @jakubfrei3757 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Im always waiting for a moment when this guy start rapping and its not comming, which makes me feeel a little bit awkward, but i really love the way you explain things, good job !

    • @PrimeNewtons
      @PrimeNewtons  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Someday!

    • @jakubfrei3757
      @jakubfrei3757 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PrimeNewtons Im glad You're not taking it in bad way friend!

  • @justarandomdood
    @justarandomdood ปีที่แล้ว

    Isnt this just growth rate of functions?
    Ln(x) < x^n < n^x < x! < x^x
    Or something like that?

  • @Ukraine-is-Corrupt
    @Ukraine-is-Corrupt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    According to MatCad, that question isn’t expressed in the correct way. You should define whether the limit is being approached from below, from above, or from both sides of infinity. Remember, it has been proven that different sizes of infinity exist

  • @Steve_Stowers
    @Steve_Stowers ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If we're assuming that x is a whole number, so that x! is defined, I would have written it with n, rather than x.
    Sometimes this doesn't make a difference, but sometimes it does. For example, the sequence sin(πn) is just 0, 0, 0, ... so it has limit 0. But the limit of the function sin(πx) (where x is a real number) as x approaches infinity does not exist.

  • @kokopelli314
    @kokopelli314 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The fact that you could figure that out without even writing it down makes me happy

  • @beentheredonethatunfortunately
    @beentheredonethatunfortunately 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I got here by videos I think are aimed at middle schoolers. Even if the title screen made me feel I must be missing something in my basic understanding. I was always annoyed by the presentation and ended up just looking at the comments to check I was correct - and yes always was.
    However this is much more interesting. Made me actually think and I even learned (or with my memory might even be reminded of) something. I had the right answer but I certainly didn't write in down and do it rigourlessly I and if I had written it down I wouldn't have got marks for the working out section (basically I just went straight from x!/x^x to 1/x and didn't do any "bracketing" for the squeeze).
    Good video. I look forward to finding more from you in my feed.

  • @renankloster
    @renankloster 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Math is so amazing! I'm a school teacher in Brazil and I love it. Thanks.❤

  • @DraigPad
    @DraigPad หลายเดือนก่อน

    Encountered precisely this function in the wild as the likelihood according to an empirical distribution of the sample that was used to construct it.

  • @nevvermind75
    @nevvermind75 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was very much enjoying the video, but the outro got you a new subscriber. You have a very theatrical & charismatic way of talking. I love it!

  • @dougball328
    @dougball328 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was easily done by inspection. Every numerator term (x-1), (x-2) etc will be over X. This product will go to zero as X goes to infinity.

  • @tigerinthejungle_14
    @tigerinthejungle_14 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In India, we call it the Sandwich Theorem which makes sense, and also we some times refer it to as Squeeze Play Theorem

  • @BigOttomatic
    @BigOttomatic 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was a nice way to show not only how to use the squeeze theorem, but also why it works

  • @TechnoCoderz369
    @TechnoCoderz369 ปีที่แล้ว

    Literally I used to think that squeeze theorem is useless! Thanks for this video!

  • @Thieves_real
    @Thieves_real 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    for x^[(x-1)]/x^x at 8:54 we can use exponent rules and say that this is equal to x^(x-1-x) and that's equal to x^-1 = 1/x btw the exponent rule im using is (x^y)/([x^z)=x^(y-z)

  • @michaelandcarmenmaguire1108
    @michaelandcarmenmaguire1108 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your passion. Very well presented proof.

  • @danieldanieldadada
    @danieldanieldadada ปีที่แล้ว

    6:40 factorial of any number between 0 and 1 is less than 1.

  • @gabrielmarino8510
    @gabrielmarino8510 ปีที่แล้ว

    Unmatched teaching, even knowning the theorem I would never had though in using it.

  • @OpPhilo03
    @OpPhilo03 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amezing teaching style sir. I impressed you.😊😊

  • @DiegoAndrade
    @DiegoAndrade ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bravo beautiful introduction keep it coming brother !!!

  • @pk2712
    @pk2712 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great explanation and use of the squeeze theorem.

  • @AcademiaCS1
    @AcademiaCS1 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's it. The way you teach is really great. You allow (as it should be) students to think before you pronounce the answer, and that's the way we work at my Academy. I look up to you. :-)

  • @QZSS
    @QZSS ปีที่แล้ว

    Really enjoyed watching your teaching style

  • @yaweno9555
    @yaweno9555 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nicely explained. Thank you.

  • @DavyCDiamondback
    @DavyCDiamondback ปีที่แล้ว +1

    X!/(X^X) = (X-1)!/(X^(X-1)) = Product (a) where a

  • @oddwad6290
    @oddwad6290 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very clever and well done . Enjoyed watching it simplified .

  • @nfineon
    @nfineon 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good presentation style very soft easy to follow voice, simple explainations.

  • @user-mathematicprof
    @user-mathematicprof 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks, I've been looking for that for a long time!

  • @XxKnuckleSOverlorDxX
    @XxKnuckleSOverlorDxX 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    | x!/x^x |< E, for any E > 0 by the archimedian principle you can always find x such that the inequality holds for any arbitrary E.

  • @X00000370
    @X00000370 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    another very nice math example...

  • @killerforever1386
    @killerforever1386 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Everyone: (Impressed by this dude or their ways to solve this question)
    Me: He has really nice hand writing.

  • @TheDigiWorld
    @TheDigiWorld ปีที่แล้ว

    A simple way is to use the definition of factorial and exponents
    x! = x * (x - 1) * (x - 2) ... 2 * 1
    x^x = x * x * x * x ... (x times)
    Note when we compute x!/x^x, the first x matches, but all the remaining terms in the numerator will be less than the remaining terms in the denominator as we let x go out towards ♾️. Which means that the denominator grows much faster than the numerator thus the limit approaches 0

  • @ganesanthenappan5366
    @ganesanthenappan5366 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautifully Explained. Thanks

  • @Ogrencikafasi
    @Ogrencikafasi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When i see the problem, i am sure the limit is equal to zero. But i cant prove it like that. İts nice solution.

  • @henryparker4668
    @henryparker4668 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Very cool explanation! Thank you. In looking at this problem, in my mind, I figured the denominator (x^x) would approach infinity faster than the numerator (x!). With that thought, I “guessed” the limit would be zero. Is there any logic to that thought process?

    • @PrimeNewtons
      @PrimeNewtons  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yes. Almost every limit that converges to 0 as x goes to infinity is predictable. The problem is the algebra.

  • @agytjax
    @agytjax 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    At 5:07, how is x!

  • @stevebeal73
    @stevebeal73 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. As you say "never stop learning" and I don't (74 years old now!)

  • @beaumatthews6411
    @beaumatthews6411 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can seemingly just tell because I know x^x must grow at a faster rate. x! is like a half version of x^x

  • @Mal1234567
    @Mal1234567 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Claude 2 used Stirling's approximation for the factorial function:
    x! ≈ sqrt(2πx) * (x/e)^x
    I've never heard of it but it apparently worked.

  • @detirado
    @detirado ปีที่แล้ว

    Refreshing my maths ans learning English at the same time... superb!

  • @donsena2013
    @donsena2013 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We could simply say that by mathematical induction
    1 x 2 x 3 x 4 x 5 x . . . x n-1 x n = n !
    is necessarily less than
    n x n x n x n x n x . . . x n-1 x n = X^X
    since, while there are n multipliers in each product,
    each multiplier in the denominator for the expression lim[X→ ∞] (X! /X^X)
    is less than or just equal to n.
    The significance of this disparity between the corresponding multipliers in X! and in X^X grows as the number of multipliers in X! and X^X itself grows,
    so that, for increasingly larger X,
    X! /X^X necessarily tends to zero.

  • @jonathandawson3091
    @jonathandawson3091 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interesting premise of the video. Seems like product of k/x for k from 1 to x, and x going to infinity? So that must be 0, right?
    To prove, fix an epsilon and choose an x large enough so that 1/x < epsilon. Done because just the first term is less than epsilon, and all other terms are less than 1. Right?

  • @davidconlee2196
    @davidconlee2196 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very cool! Thank you for sharing this

  • @unclesmrgol
    @unclesmrgol ปีที่แล้ว

    Best use of the squeeze theorem I've seen in a very long time.

  • @holdenmccrotch6485
    @holdenmccrotch6485 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very clever. I thought I'd be too ignorant to understand this but I'm pretty sure I got it! Thank you for that

  • @toddbarton1049
    @toddbarton1049 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fantastic explanation! So therefore x^x grows faster than x! is what we can deduce?

  • @5anatakos
    @5anatakos ปีที่แล้ว

    For non-integer values of x, one cannot say that x! = x*(x-1)*(x-2)*...*1 so, yes, one will need to use the Gamma function.

  • @mathsfamily6766
    @mathsfamily6766 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    that is amazing limit problem. Please show for more solving like this, I'm really love no L'hpital rule.

  • @m.h.6470
    @m.h.6470 ปีที่แล้ว

    Solution without any calculation:
    x^x grows much faster than x!, because if you expand those Terms, for every term of x^x, you have a smaller term (except for the first, which is equal) in x!.
    As such, the Limit tends to 0, as the denominator becomes much larger than the numerator.

  • @eliteteamkiller319
    @eliteteamkiller319 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nicely done. You’re a great teacher.

  • @amop2250
    @amop2250 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video, but you can find that solution without having to do any calculations. we can logically deduce that x! increases at a slower rate x^x, and so we know that, as x approaches infinity, we get a small number over a very big number, or zero.

  • @Dongobog-ps9tz
    @Dongobog-ps9tz ปีที่แล้ว

    You have a delightful voice! I'd listen to you read an audiobook

  • @jakubl8271
    @jakubl8271 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Artificial time inflating.
    For example (x^(x-1))/(x^x) can be simplified much faster: (x^(x-1))/(x^x) = (x^(x-1))/(x*x^(x-1)), then x^(x-1) cancel out ans 1/x is left.