GORN: Cultural Index
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ค. 2018
- The Index likes to take a different approach to a species lore where possible, not just looking at the facts as they appear but trying to create an unified image of the species.
This is incredibly relevant to the Gorn, this lizard-like species appeared in the Star Trek TOS episode Arena, a primary theme of which was not to take things at face value, but always dig deeper.
...Which is just as well as there's only 1 prime timeline event on which to base all this speculation.
This is the Cultural Index a series aimed at exploring various Science-Fiction species.
For outsiders to a series to get to know the basics and maybe even hardened Sci-fi nuts might discover something new.
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Let's be honest, the Gorn exist so that Kirk could show off his devastating "Double Slap" melee tactic.
Also Kirk gave the Gorn space herpes. according to robot chicken at least.
@@davidhollenbeck9227 I blame the Tribbles.
@@fistpunder That's the trouble with Tribbles.
James Demos Those sexy, sexy tribbles.
@@kurtr1181 Atleast they are edible and breed faster than rabbits ...
"These mammals give me the creeps!"
That comic panel!🤣🤣
I love the Gorn because their one of the few “aliens” that actually seem like aliens. Most “aliens” on the show look like humans with some facial changes.
Still better then Star Gate were almost every alien society is made from the descendants of kidnapped humans. Maybe every hundredth planet they visit has like one alien that isn't a human.
Really? Humanoid reptiles at best. Still not very Alien.
Well, I know it's a tiny bit of a cop-out, but there is a canonical explanation for why most species in the Star Trek Universe are all vaguely humanoid with some forehead bumps or spots or strange looking ears. They(Humans, Klingons, Romulans, Vulcans, etc...) all come from the SAME progenitor species that itself has a semi-featureless humanoid form.
It serves two purposes, one it's an easy way to explain why everything is always a human with shit glued on their head. And two, it's a way to give a sort of "togetherness" and kinship to the entire spectrum of sentient beings in the Universe. "We are all brothers and sisters" type stuff.
That was the one thing i hated about the star trek universe. I understood that TOS was limited due to budget and cgi tech at that time, but decades later they still continued to make all or most aliens looks like humans. I remember in one episode of TNG "the Chase" the writers tried to give some ridiculous explanation. That was just Bullsh*t and laziness in writing.
There is an in universe explanation from TNG. An ancient race seeded life on thousands of world many millennium ago using their own genetic material as a template. Therefore most species are "cousins" of each other. Although it's likely there are some, perhaps the Gorn, who have a different origin. It is confirmed that Vulcans/Romulans, Klingnons, Humans and Cardarssians originated from these ancient aliens.
The amount of "extended universe" content that was available to draw upon in the making of this video suggests that I'm not alone in thinking that space lizards have an instinctive, primordial appeal. They're just cool.
Space lizards version 90000
And it's not like we are secretly ruled by lizard pe……
[*sound of energy weapon]
There is a book by science fiction author Ben Bova called The Star Conquerers. It’s antagonists are a reptilian race called the Saurians. The Gorn resemble them. This is a pre Star Trek novel. I often wonder if Gene Roddenberry gleaned a few ideas from it. There are a few striking similarities.
@@lukasp5892 Have you read the Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy? (old EU/Legends novels) Bossk is savage, hilarious and just a wee bit dim! His race and culture was fleshed out a bit in the series...although it's main focus is Boba Fett.
The Scarans were pretty cool
I never really did like the way Gorn were portrayed in video games. I understand that the big, slow, plodding creature that they are in Star Trek: Online is largely consistent with their showing in The Arena, but that episode also makes *absolutely clear* that the Gorn, while different, are every bit as intelligent and capable as any federation species.
The fact that they can grasp small, light infantry tactics using transporters to facilitate lightning strikes against designated objectives using light mortars should be proof enough that the depiction of the slow, ponderous, rock-chucking doofus is unfitting. If they are ever revisited again, I should hope that they will be more human-like than we have seen previously, showing that judging a book by its cover is a fool's errand.
...they have weddings? xD
its sad the coolest looking form of the gorn was in the terrible JJ star trek movie game they were AMAZING in that game the retconned backstory was bad but they way the looked talked and acted was great and unique yet very very gorn.
In STO a Gorn is my bridge officer and he is a massive nerd so with a little bit of fantasy everything is possible
I don't mind the amount of Memory Beta content, mostly because you clearly label what is canon and what is from official, but noncanon sources. That's far more than most of the other larger channels will do and part of what makes this series, and channel overall, one of the best speculative fiction channels.
I wish Star Trek would do more stuff with the Gorn and stop with the "look exactly like humans but are aliens because of budget b.s." The Gorn and Tholians would be cool and scary antagonists.
I think races that require CG or more work than a funny forehead would be too expensive to see much of. Don't forget that the Borg were originally supposed to be insectoid until the show runners reminded them of their budget.
Brandon G True, but Paramount makes lots of money and a syfi story should not let budgets dictate a story.
I remember in Power Rangers Dino Thunder on of the main antagonists had a really scary face that was an animtronic and was pretty convincing with it's mouth movements. They could do something similar.
I agree but it does dictate the story. Never seen power rangers past the first one but I know Farscape used animatronics for their big bad race the Scarans and it worked well so I totally understand that it could work. I think somewhere along the line animatronics fell out of style for north America like 2d animation.
Brandon G yeah... sigh :(
I wish when they have a fleet battle it looks like a real battle. In the latter battles off the the dominion war they would show big opposing fleets. Show a handful of ships fighting while the rest just sat there and did nothing. Ridiculous. The call that a fleet battle?
I will never forgive TNG for not including the Gorn in at least 1 episode! Reptile discrimination. Never even got to see 1 Gorn Battle Cruiser. They look like dinosaur warriors. My favorite aliens of all time.
Gron vs.horta the tunnel diging alien?
@@williampow69 the Horta were not a large enough race (numerically speaking). Remember in ToS, the Horta they encountered was the only one left to care for the babies that were about to hatch. They were an indigenous species to that planet (Janus VI) and no indication was given that they existed anywhere else, not even after Spock mind-melded with the "mother" Horta.
@@saiga5476 They were also extremelly peacefull.
TNG was reptilist.
They also missed the Mirror Universe episodes but for the record the real life cast couldn't be that awesome like their comic book counterpart.
It'll be very interesting to see the updated version of the Gorn once this season of Strange New Worlds is finished. They definitely took the Gorn in a whole different direction than earlier Beta canon, and made the scariest race in Trek since the Borg.
The Gorn would make an interesting culture to have the Federation Associate with, and they'd be real easy to do a horror story around
Imagine a visiting Gorn ambassador, or ambassadorial guard, they're about as rational and reasonable as your average human, though with some primal urges based around hunting. Suddenly the station gets beat up by some phenomena, and among other things the universal translators don't work. Now you have members of the crew who can't speak the same language, and among other things, there's a seven foot lizard that bench press the next 3 biggest humans running around, with one hand, he can't make himself understood, and when all you get is hisses and snarls, you start getting paranoid real quick
Grand Admiral Thrawn There was a script for Voyager with a disaster knocking out the universal translators and trying to repair the ship, it was almost made.
casbott how many of them could speak the same language?
Grand Admiral Thrawn you are the only xeno I respect.
My KDF character in STO is a Gorn and I chose the blueish grey scale colour, mainly because I thought it looked better, nice to see my character "Slythor Slyne", is highly regarded among his species for his colouring's ;op
I also have a Gorn character named Sp'T. I really wish there was some separate content for Gorns in the KDF play -- like Starfleet has to a mild extent for Vulcans. There currently isn't though. I'm basically playing a 9 ft tall reptilian Klingon as far as the story goes...but it is still a lot of fun.
Sprayed my drink out of my nose at "*Pictured: Diplomatic Relations".
I loved flying Gorn in Starfleet Command. Their ships aren't exactly nimble, to understate something, but Gorn ships were just bristling with disruptors. Their firing arcs were unfair and awesome. Get behind a Klingon? Shoot him down. Outflank a Federation ship? Shoot him down. Outfly an underpowered Romulan? Shoot him down! Approach the Gorn from any angle at all? Get shot.
Outstanding Love the Gorn Species! ⭐⭐⭐⭐
Just looking at the map, the idea that the Klingons would invade them post dominion seems plausible on the surface, since they share a border, but unlikely once you analyze the situation.
The Klingon empire is weakened after the war thanks to Galron wasting ships for political rivalry with Martog, so the empire is not strong enough to mount an invasion (especially with the threat that the Romulans might get antsy on another border).
Also Martog likes the Federation and humans (And is a popular leader which gives him the power to set policy unilaterally) and won't do anything to upset or provoke them. And invading a species on the Federation border, a species that joined them in fighting the dominion, would be a provocation to the Federation (a military campaign right next to Federation territory with a race that has peaceful diplomatic relations and a history of trying to maintain such) and would be seen as dishonorable and a betrayal by most Klingons.
Also since the Gorns have been next to the Klingon empire for centuries and have not been invaded yet, the Klingons are obviously hesitant to attack them, and may have an understanding.
The most likely outcome is that the Gorns will play nice with the Federation and maybe even start sending out Gorn specialist to interact with Federation citizens to examine Federation culture closer, to forge personal ties. They know that picking a fight with the Federation would be a losing proposition (And have known for centuries, also every alpha/beta quadrant power just had a demonstration of how tough the Federation really is when pushed) and that the Federation is the winning team and will play fair if you do. So the Gorns may well start to become Federation associates, as the best way to preserve their territory in the long run, since being good buddy's with the Federation will keep the Klingons at bay in the further future, post Martog and restored to full fighting prowess. When you're surrounded by two allied powers, if they offer to be your allies as well, accept.
The Klingons inhabit a very resource poor section of the quadrant. Everyone else is licking their own wounds, and while the federation would send aid, it would necessarily be limited.
Klingons will do what they do best when pressed into life or death situations. They'll wage war.
The other way to look at it would be that the Klingons may try to turn the Gorn into a client state or vassal, as while they are weakened they are still one of the Big Three and need to get what they can as they have the worst position of the Big Three.
gowron*
None of STO makes sense. Let's just enjoy the space combat and move on.
Star Trek Strange New Worlds has some new mention of Gorn. They seem to have been barbaric slavers too.
The Gorn are my favorite species in Star Trek and I am sad that they weren’t explored as much. But hey, Gorn to be Wild
I very much appreciate all the information on them! What I find most interesting is the first meeting of the Klingons and the Gorn. The Gorn strike me as more honorable than a number of Klingons that we've seen.
I've also heard it say that their ancestors were from Earth and the reason they are so wary of Humans is they don't want them to find out (the DNA alternation helps hide this) and they were separated from the Herbivore Voth some time ago - perhaps by the Preservers.
But I don't mind the extra Galactic origin - even if it is kinda like the Tholian's Origin too.
It could be useful if we even move Star Trek forward to an extra Galactic setting.
The Silurians removed the ancestors of Voth and Gorn from Earth when they fled the asteroid impact, 66 mya, and released them on worlds where they could thrive. 😁
@@shibolinemress8913 interestingly there was an crossover planned between Doctor Who and Enterprise so Voth and Silurians being related could have been canon
I think you mixed them up with Clan Ru.
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And to think that Lurch from The Adams Family was in that Gorn suit all this time.
Yes! A Kelvin Gorn reference! The group of good boy Gorn from the Kelvin comic are my favorites.
I liked the info on the Gorn from the Starfleet Command games. That's where most of my knowledge of them comes from. In that, they have tanky ships packed with sophisticated technology. While not especially pleasing to the eye, they boasted robust shields & hulls, and a brutal arsenal of powerful phasers and plasma torpedos. They were not very graceful, but were highly effective in direct, no nonsense combat. The Gorn were known to be very able in the sciences, giving their ships plenty of utility when not bludgeoning foes for having the audacity to pick a fight with them. Interestingly, they were allies of the Federation during the time of Sulu & the USS Excelsior, at least in that story. Perhaps years of peace and trade allowed the Gorn in that setting to become proficient with cutting edge Federation technology, while maintaining their own independent standing outside the Federation itself.
There's lots of interesting potential with the Gorn, and I would love to see them characterized as more than frightful, aggressive, and dangerous. I really do like the idea of such a race becoming a partner to the Federation and it's alliances.
I knew there as a reason my first officer could make my xindi aquatic carrier do a aileron roll, gotta be the blue scales. Damn good helmsman!
The Gorn females hold the real power, and just send the males out to do the fighting. 😁
That's what popped into my head after his storyline reference. 👍
You mean just like every nation on Earth does as well
Pfft busy laying eggs
Them that lay the eggs make the laws, or something like that, i think. We could learn a thing or two from the Gorn.
Also Agamid lizards possess bigger females, so that is probably why they decided that the gorn would also have bigger females
In JJ Abrams' Star Trek: Into the Darkness, Didn't McCoy say he helped give birth to baby Gorns and that they bite?
Yep!
It's just Star Trek Into Darkness, there's no "the".
I love the design of the original, wish they would make a modern version retaining the classic look Instead of the one on STO and that Enterprise episode.
Always good to hear some Gorn goodness.
Fan of the Star Fleet Battles interpretation of Gorn ships here.
"These Bloody Words!" priceless. That's why I named mine Slaan. Not original, no. But, simple and to the point.
My favourite star trek race. Mysterious, enigmatic and powerful.
A slow breeding race filled with long lived experts that hide surprising intelligence behind that hulking reptilian form.
"Ones with a bluish yellow color" isnt that green?
It is interesting to see how the Star Fleet Battle lore has been spun into the Star Trek Universe version of the Gorn to create this version of there society. The Gorn, despite there one appearance in TOS and one appearance in the Animated Series, were one of the original races in the 1979 version of Star Fleet battles. A rather detailed background was created in SFB for them, and has been expanded upon in both the War game, and in the RPG's that fallowed.
In SFB, the Gorn developed on three different planets in three systems relative close to each other, but there is no fossil evidence of there existence more then 30,000 years old. They have legends of what translates to the "Dragon Kings' have placed Gorns on those three worlds. Two other worlds have intelligence live that shares genetics with the Gorn, one is non space traveling race on a planet within the Romulian Empire, and the other is a warp capable species that develo9ped away from the Gorn form, inducing have small vestal wings. They found fossils of Gorns on their world, and created legends around them being "demons", so as they went out into space they found their own "Demons".
Star Fleet Battles was very influential on Star Trek. There are usually many noticeable similarities between Star Trek and Star Fleet Battles and, the opposite of what most would suspect, it all originates in Star Fleet Battles. In 1978 it was the other way around, but since the mid-1980's Star Trek has taken more from Star Fleet Battles than SFB took from Star Trek. Similarities between SFB and Star Trek usually originate in SFB, not Star Trek.
The TNG episodes "The Wounded" and "Peak Performance" were both tributes to Star Fleet Battles and it's influence over Star Trek. They are both SFB scenarios converted into Star Trek episodes. "Peak Performance" is a true tribute to SFB that is loaded with famous qoutes from the Star Fleet Universe such as "Combat is a minor province in the makeup of a starship captain". The "Kholrami" character in "Peak Performance" is a caricature of SFB's designer Steve Cole, who practically created all of the ships and navies of the Star Trek universe before the movies were even made.
Cool. I knew about "Peak Performance" and the "Kholrami", but not about "The Wounded". And Yes, Peak Performance is really a love letter to SFB, as appose to some of the comments in Star Trek II, The part about two dimensional thinking. And I have met Steven V. Cole, he has some very angry words to say to me back in my gaming podcaster days. And I agree about the Ships SVC design, but some did come from the Star Fleet Battles Technical Manual, which was a percurser to SFB its self. And those ships are far better then the ones design my FASA.
Over all I think Star Trek has treated SFB and it creator far far better then Stargate has treated the company and creator of Fringwothy.
"The Wounded" is a re-make of SH2.0 The Surprised Reversed which was, itself, inspired by the 6-Day War where Israel pre-preemptively attacked Syria, Egypt, and Jordan who were positioning too attack them.
SVC is of a different generation and doesn't really get the modern TH-cam gaming world, he is fairly hostile to people who make videos about SFB due to his 20th century ways of thinking about copyright and advertising. I'm sure it wasn't you, he tries to squash anything like that. That is probably a part of the reason that SFB has been largely forgotten in today's internet world.
And, yes, SFB was licensed through Franz Joseph's Technical Manual through Majel Roddenberry's Lincoln Productions, a company she formed shortly after Star Trek was canceled to try to continue to make money on Star Trek. Franz Joseph's Technical Manual and Star Fleet Battles were among the most successful products licensed by Majel Roddenberry's Lincoln Productions, which was a primary reason that Star Trek was brought back. Star Wars is always credited with bringing back Star Trek, but Star Wars was really only the final nail in the coffin on that decision. Star Trek was on the verge of coming back before Star Wars due to the conventions and the commercial success of Lincoln Productions.
It wasn't TH-cam. I was an actually podcaster, on a audio show for a number of years. I reviewed little known games. I reviewed both the Companion game line, which was a number of unlicensed supplements for SFB that took place on the other side of the Galaxy, and a supplement for the Pin Wheel galaxy, which was a small supplement that was only available at Gencon.
The Pin Wheel galaxy supplement was sold just for the cost of printing. The Companion game supplements were produced ruing the time between the end of Task Force games and the start of ADB as SFB Publisher. And at the time I reviewed them, they had been out of print for more then ten years. I still got very upset with me for applying a First Contact metal (A SFB award for promoting SFB on the Internet), for all the reviews I had done (far more then just the two that got him upset).
In my collection I have both of the Franz Joseph's books, The Star Fleet Battles Technical Manual and its supplement Alien Space.
Yes... he doesn't like "unofficial expansions" to the Star Fleet Universe. That began in the 1980's with a former staff member named John Hammer, who was pretty much excommunicated from the Star Fleet Universe for making the original unofficial expansion. The game business was very different before computer games existed, and SVC still plays by 1980's rules. He isn't very compatible with the modern internet, and he strongly discourages the exact type of fan production material that computer game makers hope that gamers will create. Part of the reason for that, though, is his obligation to report such things to Paramount. If Paramount got the idea that he was supporting such efforts he could lose his unique "never ends, lasts until the end of time" license to do TOS Star Trek games. So there is a very good reason behind it, as well.
Franz Joseph, Lou Zocchi, and Steve Cole are forgotten figures in the history of Star Trek. That trio was partly responsible for reviving Star Trek, and created most of the ships and fleets of the Star Trek universe. A lot of what Gene Roddenberry is given credit for was actually Franz, Lou, and Steve.
I wish that STO would let us have 23rd Century Gorn Ships and 23rd Century costume options. The Rubber head just isn't enough.
Thanks for doing a Gorn episode. Always wanted to know about them. Keep up the good work!
Who knew that the gorn actually existed in our galaxy....
Pictured, "diplomatic relations" lol
deadphishiy A change from Kirk's usual 'diplomatic relations' …
[*camera goes soft focus and gentle music in background]
I dont mind I have been interested about Gorn and you gave at least good hypotesis about them.
I used to play Starfleet Battles (a table top strategy based on TOS with expanded content) where the Gorn were allies of the Federations. I loved playing them because they were a Plasma armed fed allied species.
Clearly, Star Trek needs to do more with the Gorn. I have a mighty need to see some Giant Lizard Women.
I would totally fap to that.
I appreciate the work put into collating all this info. Trek canon is notoriously spread out and can be contradictory in some cases.
These videos are almost as close to Starfleet culture briefings as I’ve seen. Thank you, sir!
one of my fave star trek aliens
According to one source, Cestus III was jointly colonized by the Federation and Gorn, with each sticking to regions of the planet more suited to them.
The Federation to the arable plains, the Gorn to the swamps.
New to your channel, but I'm enjoying this cultural index series and I plan to check out more of the channel.
You will need to update this....
Good to see the Gorn back in SNW. They seem to be the Big Bad in this series. I hope their second appearance in the series isn't the last. I don't think the Gorn who fought Kirk used to blink and fear the latest remaster of the original series may have included a "Lucasing."
The Gorn would have made for some serious opposition for the Federation to overcome. Instead? All we, primarily, ever got was Klingons and Romulans. Those two races were always the primary opposition outside of the Borg and the Dominion, It would be awesome for the new series to deal with the Gorn more and in greater detail than previous series.
Good video. I agree, I wish we knew more about the race, but with the limited amount we have this video was very enjoyable.
Considering the TNG-canon explanation for the origin of mammalian laterally symmetric bipedal body-plans, that is, of a seeding "predecessor race", makes any non-mammalian race instantly suspicious. Extra-galactic origins become far more likely when you have galactic caretakers, with some races (such as the Tholians) potentially avoiding interaction due to vastly different habitable planet requirements-if there's no conflict, there's no need to "prune the ecosystem". This only further encourages in my mind the idea both that they're extra-galactic, and came to our galaxy _after_ the seeding race had already disappeared.
I'd like to see BoS content
Now that my vote is cast, yes the Gorn are amazing and it's a pity they didn't get more than a casual look in main canon.
I can not help to notice the interesting parallels between the Gorn and Predators.
I used to have these books they were written like official diplomatic manuals and they had profiles on every single Star Trek species. I had one for TOS and another for TNG, and they had a detailed backstory and descriptions of the Gorn in them,. Every species ever shown on both shows, actually. They were awesome.
Imagine your aliens needing redesigns.
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Another thing we can add to Prime Timeline Alpha Canon: Apparently they have weddings; and aren’t very fond of wedding crashes..
Wondering if someone was going to mention the Lower Decks episode, lol
Having played Star Fleet Battles as a teenager, I always thought it was a shame that so much of that universe died with the game(along with the races it included), however when I played it the Gorn where one of my favorite races. Interestingly in SFB they were the Federations closest allies
Hope you do a new cultural index again soon. Loved these videos
The Gorn were also a faction in the Starfleet Command games by Interplay and had very different ship designs. They were the counterpart to the Romulans, also possessing Plasma Torpedo technology, although it wasn't as developed as the Romulans.
Came here after episode 4 of strange new worlds.
Loved that episode. SNW has been great so far. By far the best of the current era Trek shows.
Thank you so much this was a great refresher on the Gorn after watching last night's episode of Star Trek Strange New Worlds.
I thought the Gorn were supposed to be an ancient "fallen" race who used to own much more territory in a large Empire, and that their claims of territorial violations came from others settling on worlds they used to own previously. I was also under the impression that the radically different appearances was the result of isolated colonies evolving differently after they were separated from each other after the previously mentioned fall.
I don't have any sources though, this is just stuff I remember(sometimes vaguely) from over the years, so don't take this as fact.
The thing over the eyes is indeed technology, though. You can wear them in Star Trek Online.
Making the compound eyes a tech attachment was something that I did not agree with, although I do understand how it gives added appearance options in STO. I would prefer that they list it as an organic attachment, but that is splitting hairs. Regardless, all of my Gorn have the compound eyes.
@@echosun4835 Just because they are called Spec-Ops shields doesn't mean they aren't biological as part of the gorn or biologically derived
@@danshakuimo This is true. They could be organic, similar to the lens in the FLIRs used on military jets and helos.
This was cool. Learned a lot about a group I didn't know before. Very cool! 💯
I remember as a kid watching The Original Series in syndication I liked the Gorn I wish they could do more with the going of course you're going to have to use stuff it's not officially Canon like from novels and comic books even video games but you don't have much of a choice considering that not much was ever done with them outside of one episode that I believe they were mentioned in an episode of Deep Space Nine I may be wrong though
There needs to be a Star Trek series/miniseries that just deals with an individual alien species. Each episode having a standalone story involving a different alien culture.
well done. I appreciate your mining non-canon sources. I also appreciate your clarifying which information is canon.
Hey, nice, Deep Haze, love the song.
It's only a matter of time now, and eventually we will see Gorn, Starfleet officers, and/or crew, serving on Starfleet starships, even living on Earth (and elsewhere), and becoming a more active and commonly occuring character, and member of the "Star Trek" interstellar community.
The studio execs and writers are aware, and if enough fans want to see it happen, it will happen.
Let's get it on a T-Shirt! 🌎 ❤ GORN❗
I always wanted to go with the idea that the Gorn are Star Trek's counterpart to the wookies. Big strong powerful aliens that are scary but once you make friends you've got a friend for life. That alien spotlight comic is a great story.
Glad the gorn seem to be becoming more of a thing on Star Trek SNW. Them destroying the USS Puget Sound is actually one of the more concrete things we've ever got about them.
Voiced by Ted Cassidy, Lurch from the Addam’s Family.
I always liked the Gorn. They were my second favorite faction in Starfleet Command.
I once met a Gorn he was my waiter at a space restaurant it took him 2 hours to bring my food to my table.
In the FASA sourcebook, Gorn understanding of physics was 'push hard until it moves.' ;)
some speculation based off of your index.
is seems like infanticide specifically male perpetrated infanticide is common. they likely lack formal martial relationships, instead holding harems or open breeding seasons, hence heavy competition and strong reason for infanticide. I think a lot of political centers are probably female run, basically middle and upper management are exclusively female. I could imagine a senate exclusively of females but and executive branch exclusively of males with males assigned to casts based on how they were modified beyond their parentage. I imagine the ratio of males to females is 3:2 with males having a respectively short lifespan for regularly engaging constant high risk conditions i.e. hard labor (even if very advanced), "training accidents" (gladiatorial fights/ 1v1 hunts), and exposing themselves to environment hazards for the purpose of exploration.
I suspect the females are hyper territorial but are materially protective of males. while I would call them exclusively domestic it seems like the females dominate politics, bio-engineering (general science), and civics. using their attributes to dominate law making where as the males, being constantly competative are best suited to executive functions and require a strict cast system.
this is all backwards to human logic because we are homogeneous and have a male dominated society by default, but it appears that this would be how they balance out their biological difference as the females are dominate by default and the males are very biologically diverse.
A lot of female lizards are also larger than male lizards.
err yes that would probably have a heavy effect on their culture, as they are normally larger because they have strong maternal instincts and basically have to be able to beat the shit out of males through pure force.
Definitely valid theories. One note, in the context of societal organization it is spelled "caste" - not "cast".
Martial?
Maybe more "Dinosaurian' than "Reptilian?" Likely not Exothermic (or, at least exclusively so, consider using mass to retain heat and a circulatory system that produces heat like Great White Sharks).
They might also have strong cultural norms against devouring their own off-spring (think of how crocs are with their own offspring (as opposed to others's hatch lings). Maybe Gorn, in general, are very protective of their own and very territorial about others.
I’ve always wondered about space mapping in Star Trek. How can you map four directions (up, down, right side, and left side)? Each direction goes on indefinitely. How can you declare territory when the boundaries know no limits in any direction?
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Do brotherhood of steel but i hope sooner or later that you will do protass from starcraft
"OH NO, GORN WEDDING!!!"
What would have been great is if they had tied the Gorn to the Voth from Voyager. Gorn could have come from the same original stock but crash landed on a different planet and developed differently
Time to revise this species. Can't wait to see what you do.
This might need a follow up video now
Thank you... I wish there was more about the Gorn too.. At least you know more about em, than any of the new Star Trek people do.. !!!!
Great stuff. I like your separation of canon and Beta information. Very interesting. In the related Star Fleet Universe the Gorn became one of the major empires and they have a lot of background information on them (I imagine that is where the 3 Gdhar worlds come from). Worth checking out if you are interested in a different non-canon take.
I always liked the Gorn ship designs from Starfleet Battles myself.
Yes. They had similar warp drives and used mini plasma weapons.... Like the original romulans
I wonder if the Gorn arent extragalactic, but merely an offshoot of the Voth, who would certainly have been able to make the trip long before the federation, Starfleet or Humans evolved.
fantastic! I loved this.
I like the "sunglass" he's wearing.
I'm really shocked they never added a Gorn storyline in any of the movies. Usually exec's would love to add Dinosaurs in anything. Money.
What I remember from the Starfleet Battle Games (definitely non canon) there the Gorn were allied with the Federation and this alliance was described as the only alliance based on trust rather than expediency (to the point where Gorn pilots would serve in federation ships and vice versa). Technologywise they were close to Romulans using plasma torpedoes as primary armament.
The black powder cannon was a cool idea.
To be honest I am very intrigued to see what star treks Strange New Worlds does with them .
I hope we get to see more of the Gorn in Star Trek Picard. I suspect we havent seen much of them because they are hard to portray on screen without it seeming cheesy but that is part of the charm of the gorn... if indeed you can say they possess ANY charm. They ARE an intriguing race.
I think the Gorn and Kirk fight was the basis for the Galaxy Quest line, "I see you managed to get your shirt off."
They appeared in a Star Trek TNG book.
Eerily version of the 2282 attack on a UFP ship youve mentioned, which is similar to the visions of Laan Noonien Singh in SNW.
I love the gorn, thanks for making this. Did you make Tholians yet? If not, I'd vote for them.
Would be interesting if the Gorn were an offshoot of the Voth that remained in the alpha quadrant.
This channel has Gorn awry!
Gallen Dugall god damn it Barb!
It's all Ogre now.
We're not Gorn down this road are we?
Now you've Gorn and done it...
Shove a stick up a reptiles arse. What do you get?
. gorn on the cob
They also have Gornola Bars 😋🍫
Keep up the excellent work 👽
Any chance we'll ever see the cultural index for the Minbari?
I'd love a Minbari video.
I have a copy of "The Gorn Crisis" graphic novel and it was really good. I wish the lore and artistic changes made to the Gorn for that novel were kept in ENTERPRISE and beyond.
So, one thing that kinda gets me is the hatching idea. In Star Trek “Into Darkness” Bones talks about helping a Gorn give birth. I know it’s Kelvin Timeline but the biology wouldn’t change due to Spock’s interloping. More than that, it’s stickling but it’s kinda what we got.
Check out startrek empires at war as well.
Their Gorn ship design were some of my favorites
The Gorn were among the most interesting of the Star Trek aliens, and it was a shame they were never utilised again in the future (tng, ds9, etc). They could have done so much more with them... But I'm given to think that real world reasons as to why they weren't reused usits cheaper to paint lines in a humans face than to make a dozen full body costumes.
they are in strange new worlds.
The Amarillo Design Bureau space combat simulator board game "Star Fleet Battles" (1979) and the PC game versions "Star Fleet Command" (1999) and "Star Fleet Command II" (2002), which is based on the 1975 "Star Fleet Technical Manual" book, the Romulans share a border with the Romulan Star Empire.
The Gorns are based around three habitable home worlds in three close star systems and are in sporadic border conflicts with the Romulans, who wish to expand into Gorn territory. The many campaigns remembered by the Romulan commander in the episode "Balance of Terror" are said to hint at the countless incursion raids the Romulans have made across the Gorn border.
Gorn ships are armed with disrupters but also plasma torpedo weapons and in the SFB / SFC lore it is speculated by Star Fleet that the Romulans acquired the plasma torpedo technology from captured / wrecked Gorn smaller warships.
These newer Gorn warships share a common design style, with a fore command and aft engineering saucer with a connecting trunk with attached heavy weapon carrying "wings" (for increased firing arcs) plus top and bottom warp nacelles. These started appearing in the 2260's. This design ethos was scaled appropriately to cover freighters, corvettes, frigates, destroyers, cruisers, dreadnaughts and battleships as apart of a comprehensive modernisation and rearmament programme by the Gorn navy. This came as a shock to the Romulans, causing a suspension of border incursions and prompted their own fleet redesign over the following decades. During this period the Gorn navy featured the most over gunned and powerful warships for their class grouping in the quadrant. Fortunately it was for deterrent and defence purposes only.
Other new Gorn warship hull designs also appeared in the 2280's onwards of a more angular design nature. Gorn starship hull design varies so wildly it can cause confusion in recognising that a vessel is in fact Gorn in origin.
In SFB / SFC the Gorns are highly territorial, have no expansionist aims and have been a spacefaring race longer than the other antagonists in the Alpha quadrant. They regard the weaker Romulans as a "minor occasional annoyance" that could be easily eliminated once and for all, but isn't worth the expense to do so. Following the Klingon - Romulan alliance and technology exchange, the Romulans were considered a serious threat by the Gorns as Romulan border incursion raids using Klingon built E4, F5, D6 and D7 warships resumed, which lead to the Gorn opening diplomatic channels to the Federation during the 2270's. This was to confirm that the Federation had no hostile expansionist intentions on Gorn space and enabled the Gorn navy to pull warships from the Federation border to deal with the resurgent Klingon backed Romulan threat.