The SHOCKING Truth About Mrs. Winterton AKA Turner! The Gilded Age Season 2 Episode 2

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  • Turner is back! The Gilded Age Season 2 Episode 2 Turner shocks us all when she shows up on the arms of Mr. Winterton! But who is she reallyy in real life histor? Who did Julian Fellowes base the character Turner's storyline on? As shocking as episode 2 was, so is the truth behind the real life woman who inspired Fellowes to create Mrs. Winterton in all her glory!
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  • @fabulouswomeninhistory
    @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Time for another who's who! Julian Fellowes is known for his amalgamated characters where he takes several people from history and blends them into one...maybe even two of his screen characters. I have rooted out who I think he based Turner as Mrs Winterton on. Let me know what you think! Am I right? Wrong? Off base? Love to hear your comments!

  • @flygirlfly
    @flygirlfly 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

    I'm disappointed with Bertha. She's letting Turner live rent-free in her head.
    Turner threatened her; a bluff. Bertha has to get out ahead of it. Her ladies maid tried to seduce her husband, she got sacked.
    She should socially bury her as soon as her opera house is settled.

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Oh, yes the drama. This s a twist that will last all season! Thanks for joining the conversation!

    • @Satu-zs7gm
      @Satu-zs7gm 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      they need drama😂 ... annoying how they make the character more immature than high school girlfriend😂 like she really can't handle that her maid flirt with her husband to get money or something... yeah haven't seen that before😂 didn't she is the one who dismiss her because of Larry.. she didn't held Larry accountable..
      they know we all said the show was boring so now they made needless drama....

    • @PermenBoba-dq3jb
      @PermenBoba-dq3jb 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      this show is gettng cancelled 😂so not rent free anymore

    • @sunmont1461
      @sunmont1461 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PermenBoba-dq3jbwhere did u hear that?

    • @Serena_9
      @Serena_9 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@PermenBoba-dq3jbIt is renew for another season

  • @drippedinlit
    @drippedinlit 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    I’m willing to bet his second wife wasn’t really ill, men had a way-and still do, of making a woman out to be mentally unstable when she is not.

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Sadly, that is so very true. He wanted her out of the way and he had his good friend, Dr. Anderson to help him. As you say, it happens. Thanks for joining the conversation!

    • @beverleyheadley-glover371
      @beverleyheadley-glover371 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I was thinking the same thing
      His wife probably was not as ill as society deemed her but
      ????.
      r

  • @themermaidstale5008
    @themermaidstale5008 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    Was anyone Really Surprised that it was Turner, former lady’s maid to Bertha Russell as the new bride on the arm of the man that McAllister touted as a necessary donor/member of the new opera house? Bertha should have said, “Oh, Turner, there you are.”

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I was! So what fun when she showed up! Thanks for joining the conversation!

    • @JumbledEye
      @JumbledEye 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      I was surprised. So was my boyfriend. Especially since we've been told that the actress wasn't returning to the show! I must say it was very gratifying to see my tough, burly Marine of a boyfriend's jaw fall to his knees, and hear him *GASP!*... 🤣🤣🤣 as he clutched his pearls!

    • @cak813
      @cak813 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I was completely surprised. I wasn’t expecting that at all but it’s certainly a great plot twist.

    • @shrinkwrap1770
      @shrinkwrap1770 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I was. I expected her to become Ann Morris lady's maid.

    • @ladyshakari
      @ladyshakari 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​​@@shrinkwrap1770Ann Morris is too broke to afford a ladies maid now

  • @PamelaFord-jg8ms
    @PamelaFord-jg8ms 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Turner was stupid to taunt Mrs. Russell, when she has so much to loose. She obviously lied to her husband about her past, making her vulnerable.
    Turner will not end well. Her character is not likable. Bertha is ruthless, like her husband, she plays to win it all. So once crossed she will destroy an opponent. Turner's motives are small and mean.

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I agree. I think this character is good only for another season. She is not only unlikable but she is just not smart like Bertha and we love Bertha because she is so clever and we can't wait to see what she comes up with next in her driver for socal status. Thanks for joining the converSation!

    • @Satu-zs7gm
      @Satu-zs7gm 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      so cliche

    • @ShellyBeans259
      @ShellyBeans259 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m wondering what George will do to Turner for hurting Bertha. I mean Mr Morris killer himself and George was really punishing him over the Bazaar.

  • @LSTEdD1
    @LSTEdD1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Drexel was an ancestor of Christine Baranski’s husband. Thank you sooo much for the free book! I have been wanting to read it!! ☀️💛

  • @susieinthecountry4434
    @susieinthecountry4434 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    another sad story of wealthy people changing/manilipulating laws to suit their needs, incredible

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It certainly is a good example of that. Thanks for joining the conversation.

  • @ladyjustice1474
    @ladyjustice1474 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    The gilded age highlights the plain and horrible fact that women were expected to marry in order to have a roof over their head and food on the table, with no rights regarding property, money or anything else.

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It is true that the show writers understood the plight of women in the era but I see how they are portraying the women as strong, vibrant and excelling in the battle for social status. Just as George fought to make and keep his money, the only domain open to hihg society women was in the social arena. Of course, that is about to change with the turn of the century - something which Marian and Peggy portray in their roles. If the show has as long a run as Downton Abbey, we might just get to see if Bertha follows the story of her counterpart, Alva Vanderbilt, and divorces Geogre and takes up the banner for woman suffrage. I hope so!

    • @Satu-zs7gm
      @Satu-zs7gm 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      or they can work.... like thousand of peasant men🙄 the lack of self awareness is astonishing! they can be maid or whatever you acting like men didn't work for scraps like they all born a duke or something
      in 2023 and nothing has changed, women would rather marry rich men than had to work for what they want.... pathetic this highlight the disgusting and horrible fact that women were and are just lazy and incompetent, less intelligent

    • @ladyjustice1474
      @ladyjustice1474 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@fabulouswomeninhistory divorced women, up until the 1960's was either viewed as scandalous, or frowned upon. Along with other stereotypes.

  • @Dench999or911
    @Dench999or911 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you TH-cam algorithm for presenting me with this channel! Excellent research👏

  • @masonprov
    @masonprov 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    She was a real person. Mary Lilly Kenan Flagler Bingham. Judge Robert Worth Bingham married her after Flagler died. Shortly after moving to Louisville, she died of mysterious circumstances, and her husband inherited 10MM dollars and became the Ambassador to the Court of St James (England) Her's is one hell of a story. Real life is stranger than fiction.

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yes that could have been tacked onto the end of the video but I wanted to end with the sharp contrast between Eliz Drexler's version and the real history of the affair between Mary Lily and Flagler. Thanks tho forgeting that additional information into the conversation!

    • @masonprov
      @masonprov 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@fabulouswomeninhistory I always assumed that Sissy Bingham was loosely based on Mary Lilly. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Rakes is kind of a Robert Worth Bingham social climber.
      Thanks for the comment and the video.

  • @eddiern
    @eddiern 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I always thought Turner was based on Ida Wood. A poor Irishwoman who had married a newspaper publisher, Benjamin Wood.

  • @leigharmstrong9940
    @leigharmstrong9940 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow! The Free-read is fabulous for the weather here today. Thank you for great videos & the book.❤

  • @sergeayissi939
    @sergeayissi939 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This is WHY removing Mr Winterton from the Academy because he married Turner, does not make sense! A powerful man can marry whoever he wants without facing social consequences.

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I agree. This plot line doesn't make a lot of sense but the aim seems to be to have an on going battle btwn bertha and turner. Now bertha has a war on 2 fronts. Oh, the drama! Thanks for joining the conversation!

    • @PermenBoba-dq3jb
      @PermenBoba-dq3jb 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      he won't but she would she is not of the class.. and people could refuse to receive her a maid

    • @sergeayissi939
      @sergeayissi939 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @PermenBoba-dq3jb Mr Winterton is an old member of the Academy and surely a generous donator. You just don't remove him from there just because he shows up with a new girlfriend! That's not how it works.

    • @PermenBoba-dq3jb
      @PermenBoba-dq3jb 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sergeayissi939 idk Mrs Astor created the list to basically filtered out people, she is solely in charge she can kick people off if she wants to

  • @historychannelpodcasts
    @historychannelpodcasts 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I am a fan of your videos! Love that you do the research and pull these women out of the hidden vaults of history and bring them into the light. Love the narrations. Please keep doing these. BTW I think you got it right when it comes to how Fellows finds his material.

  • @sansserif8839
    @sansserif8839 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I thought Ms. Drexler's seamstress sounded a bit like a composite of a number of neglected lady's maids during that time. Tsk.

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes I am sure but cannot fathom why such a complete fabrication and in such detail. Must have wanted to change the narrative on the real Mary Lily from a home breaker to an innocent little ladies maid. Thanks for joining the conversation!

  • @classicalbk
    @classicalbk 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    How did Mary and Mr. Flagler have lunch together? Wouldn't she eat with the servants?

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good question. I imagine it is all part of the "story". Thanks for joining the conversation!

  • @graphiquejack
    @graphiquejack 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    That sounds a bit like the story they gave Jeanne Trippleton’s character in season one.

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, it does. Fellowes knows how to tap into history for his characters. I think that Mrs Chamberlain's story fits better with that of Arabella Huntington. See my video here th-cam.com/video/ASrmC46snkA/w-d-xo.html and let me know what you think.

    • @sergeayissi939
      @sergeayissi939 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      True! And Mrs Chamberlain is gone in season 2! So now Mrs Blaine + Turner are both technically replacing her in action!

    • @sandywelch369
      @sandywelch369 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      wha pat did Jeanne Tpton play?

  • @here_we_go_again2571
    @here_we_go_again2571 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Thank you "Fabulous ...." *Maid to Mrs. is the dream!* That is a different twist on the chorus girl marrying the rich old guy.😁
    It makes me wonder why Baroness Decies made-up such a story, but maybe it was Mary Lily Kenan Flagler Bingham who
    made up the story. Perhaps, for whatever reason she felt beholden to the Pembroke Joneses (Henry Walters had lived
    with the Joneses and married Sarah, after Pembroke died. He and Mary Lily were well acquainted.)
    There is a song and a true story about a clerk in a Woolworth Five and Dime store being the object of a rich man's attention
    and she married him. But I can't remember the names of the people.
    If you think about it, most of these millionaires were self-made men, without social position or education at a Liberal Arts
    college, who had rubbed shoulders with the elite while there. It was their sons who attended those colleges and married
    the millionaire's daughters.
    Some of the first of the so-called Robber Barrons had attended business schools - JD Rockefeller in Cleveland By contrast,
    James Fisk had worked in a circus carnival before the Civil War and as a sales clerk in a department store.
    Some of them had attended seminaries or college. Jay Gould (whose family were fairly well-established as farmers) had
    attended Hobart Academy [now defunct] in Hobart, New York (He paid for his schooling by working as a bookkeeper for a
    Blacksmith.) William A. Clark taught school and studied law at Iowa Wesleyan College. Both JDR's and James Fisk's fathers
    had been peddlers. (JDR's father was a scandalous person! But Fisk's father apprenticed him and he was able to secure a
    job at a reputable department store once peddling no longer was profitable in their area of the country.
    Again I would like to thank you for your fabulous videos! 😊

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Wow, so much good information here. I too wondered why eliz drexel would make up such as story that far off the mark of the real truth and I thought the same. She must have made up the story for the sake of the real Mary Lily's reputation. Makes you wonder what else in her memoir was sugar coated for members of her social class. Thanks for adding to the conversation and your kind words about my videos.. Keeps me motivated!

  • @CarolynForney
    @CarolynForney 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Mary probably pushed the old man down the steps.

  • @charlesjones5251
    @charlesjones5251 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautiful artworks.

  • @vernealeaton8830
    @vernealeaton8830 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I believe the character of Mrs. Blaine is more suitable to this storyline.

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ah, you caught that. When I was doing the part on the historical Mary Lily and her doddering husband, I too thought of Susan Blane's comments in the show ab about her husband and how he was a stay at home guy and that she didn't get out much. So, yes you could say that there is a crossover from the Turner character to the Blane characeter in this regard. Good for you to catch that. Thanks for joining the conversation!

  • @christya2488
    @christya2488 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I think Turner is going to torture Bertha by making her think that she actually succeeded in seducing Mr Russell, and Bertha is going to absolutely destroy her.

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Very possible. Bertha is now fighting a war on two fronts! Oh, the drama! Thanks for joining the conversation!

    • @jehick
      @jehick 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks to Vulture posting a recap of episode 3 two full days before it airs. I can say you're not right but also not wrong.

    • @christya2488
      @christya2488 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @jehick I just watched the episode, and I don't think Bertha is done with Turner. Before the season is over, I think Bertha is going to decimate Turner in the most humiliating way possible.

    • @jehick
      @jehick 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@christya2488 I sure hope so!

  • @Richardsonprincess00
    @Richardsonprincess00 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Bertha is about meet her match, talk about awkward in the gilded age.

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I know! Can't get enough of the melodrama! Thanks for joining the conversation!

    • @here_we_go_again2571
      @here_we_go_again2571 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Afraid so!
      McAllister tried to tell Bertha. But
      people like Bertha don't listen to advice
      unless the advice agrees with what
      they want to do. Who recommended
      Turner to Bertha?
      Mr. McAllister is probably on Mrs. Astor's
      and Mrs. Winterton's payrolls)

    • @CarolynForney
      @CarolynForney 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      We first need to know if Turner’s husband is aware that she was a lady’s maid or if she fabricated a lie . If fabricated then Bertha has ammunition. Being a former lady’s maid Turner knows all the social graces of a lady. So I’m sure her past will hinder her progression in high society and Bertha will use that to her advantage. I’m pro Bertha .

    • @lisafreebairn7736
      @lisafreebairn7736 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@CarolynForneyme too! Also team Bertha!

  • @ceilconstante640
    @ceilconstante640 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wondering if Mary Lilly helped him down the stairs.

  • @ATWTMVTVFTVSGAVRALPS
    @ATWTMVTVFTVSGAVRALPS 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I always love desperate and villainous women on period drama shows

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Makes for good drama! Thanks for joining the conversation!

  • @LSTEdD1
    @LSTEdD1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fascinating!

  • @peachygal4153
    @peachygal4153 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I had been written before. Ross Poldark married his servant Demelza. He was not wealthy, but he was gentry class. I guess probably plenty of other times. The Cinderella story was not exactly about a poor girl. Ella 's father was well off, if not gentry, but when he married a widow and later died, the widow was left as guardian and she mistreated her stepdaughter, treated her an unpaid servant and favored her daughters. My guess is Ella was not destitute, her stepmother could not stop her inheriting once she became of age but could mistreat her in the meantime. As fairy tales did have a grain of truth, my guess is the real Ella may have not married a prince but a prominent man because of her inheritance once she got it. Whereas her stepsisters had not been as well taken care of as well and may have remained spinsters. (in that time period the worst fate for a young girl) we can assume that brought the stepmother's animosity in the first place. Dowries were more important than beauty if marrying off a young girl.

    • @peachygal4153
      @peachygal4153 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Isay that also because the fairy tale ended with Ella bringing her stepsisters to live with her. Unmarried women of any age could not live alone. A widow could but not a woman who had never married.

  • @kimsmith1746
    @kimsmith1746 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Umm-kay. Are we sure Mary Lily's husband 'fell' down the stairs? I mean he was already old, but maybe he wasn't dying fast enough for his wife.

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There really wasn't any monetary reasons for Mary Lily to off her husband. And I didn't pick up on any scandal in the regards. The scandal came 3 years later when her next husband may have done her in for her money. Ah the drama. Off and on screen! Thanks for joining the conversation!

  • @emiliojiordano2432
    @emiliojiordano2432 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like the video but, as a native North Carolinian, I must correct your pronunciation of the county where Mary Lily was born. It’s Doo-Plihn (rhymes with “hen”) not Doo-Pleen.

  • @charlenesteward195
    @charlenesteward195 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hmmm🤔! Fell down the steps?! Can you say karma or just good old fashioned MURDER! Either way, it serves him right🤨.

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It does make you wonder. Thanks for joining the conversation!

  • @draggonsgate
    @draggonsgate 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "fell" down the stairs?

  • @nubiangoddess2376
    @nubiangoddess2376 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The real story sounds more like Mrs chamberlain

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, I agree there is certainly a similiarity. Not unllike Fellowes to bleed one character into another,. Thanks for joining the conversation!

  • @risingphoenix8072
    @risingphoenix8072 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I don’t like this “turn” of events.

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oh why? Makes for great drama fun!

    • @risingphoenix8072
      @risingphoenix8072 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fabulouswomeninhistory 😂. I know. I like the actress, but the character just sets my teeth on edge!

  • @WinfreyWright
    @WinfreyWright 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I did not like Turner in Season 1, but gotta admire her gumption. Lord knows I would jump into bed with Morgan Spector so fast it would make your head spin.

  • @kathryngilbert5952
    @kathryngilbert5952 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Would she be able to marry him?

  • @Digigrlny
    @Digigrlny 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We k ow already

  • @beverleyheadley-glover371
    @beverleyheadley-glover371 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well? She was a gorgeous lady. Regardless..

  • @michaelholtzman1463
    @michaelholtzman1463 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hmmm, fell did he? Sounds like someone got a karma shove.

    • @fabulouswomeninhistory
      @fabulouswomeninhistory  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You got it!

    • @Satu-zs7gm
      @Satu-zs7gm 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      maybe but everyone fell during this time, Mrs Astor died from slipping on her own stairs... no one pushed her obviously

  • @beverleyheadley-glover371
    @beverleyheadley-glover371 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Poor Ida. Mary lilly? Did you know this mans wife wad ill? Mmmm???