Excellent video Rob, I think that today Oura Ring doesn't offer something new that doesn't do the rest other than being a ring and not a watch, I don't know if it's worth those 300 + subscription. Today everyone has nocturnal hrv, sleep and respiratory rate. It would be interesting if you could test the Apple watch applications for sleep and a new one like Athytic
Really good analysis. So glad I chose not to upgrade my Oura Ring 2. It's unfortunate that releasing the 3 was really a move to generate cash, and not because there was any improvement to their technology.
Hi Joshua! Well, it could still happen. Also, I think the improved sleep stage algorithm could also work on the Oura Ring 2, though I think they will not upgrade that one. They did improve the sensors to improve temperature, and add workout heart rate and SpO2, though they have so far needed many month to provide these updates... I indeed think they were overly optimistic on timelines, but lets hope they release these soon and that they work well 😊😄
@@TheQuantifiedScientist yes good points! How much do you find devices can improve with software/algorithm changes? I kinda feel like it depends much more on the hardware technology itself, and software improvements are usually small or to resolve bugs. I guess we'll need another update in a little while!
It is certainly a bit aggravating that people now have to factor in a subscription fee, or people like me had to rush into upgrading to the next gen before having had enough usage of gen 2, for a product with barely any improvement. But I try to remain hopeful that this cash flow is part of a strategy to show investors that the product still has potential, and will help Oura keep the lights on and crack on with improvements. But then again, I could be saying it because I am now personally invested into the product and wish to see a return on that. Either way, it's a new-ish form of technology so it is to be expected that it is a risky investment.
A terrible roll out of the new model. Read the scathing reviews on their Instagram. Ours basically did a crowd funding on their loyal Oura ring 2 customers. Their business model is enough to put one off of their decent product.
impeccable work! Nice that someone with the background tests so meticulously. I would just suggest you make some general videos like "what are the best biomarkers to track for goal x" or "what are the best devices to track sleeping quality" etc. Because since this is the first video I saw of your, it is not that easy to find this kind of information. All the best from Germany :-)
Hi Curtis! There are some quite OK trackers out there. However, without EEG (or preferably PPG) I think there will be a limit. Also, these algorithms will likely be aimed at "normal/healthy" sleepers
@@TheQuantifiedScientist could you tell me which device now in 2022 is the best one in your opinion. Best value for best tracking ability... I'm looking into buying one. I've watched a lot of your videos.
Not a current Oura user. Has this beta release been updated again since? Is it still in beta? Are there any other channels looking at the latest software/algorithm? Any info is much appreciated.
Would definitely love to see some updated tests. Debating about getting the Oura ring or the Apple Watch ultra. Mainly because the Apple Watch might be uncomfortable when sleeping.
@@nathan-clark yes, as of 2 months I believe, they show in the oura app a beta version. So we see 2 versions of sleep, beta is usually seeing less time in deep sleep and more in REM. I am also curious to see another test with oura to see if the beta is more accurate, you're the only one I trust❤️
Been waiting for this video for a while, and will wait for another one after the software update becomes available to see if I should buy the oura ring 3 or the next Apple Watch. I love your videos and they are extremely helpful and reliable, keep it up my man!
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Went for a ski trip a few weeks back and the oura ring was quite good in noticing my body becoming exhausted. Subjectively I was starting to feel it gradually as well. But the morning then oura ring said to rest, I was originally planning on going but decided against over caffeinating and going and just resting and it was the good choice. Athlytic with the apple watch was still reporting stuff that was a bit more random at that point. So I like the ring as an unobtrusive tracker that I also like as an accessory. Means I don't have to take any others with me.
I am totally agreed with your assessment. I am wearing Oura ring 2 then 3 for many years now. The recommendation the ring gives me has been very helpful and my sleep has improved a lot. The readiness scores were very accurate to how I felt when I jog. Oura ring look at the data on that day plus the trend lead to that day to give the scores, I think that might be the big difference compared to Rob data only looking at specific data of the day.
As feedback, I'd be really interested to see a plot of devices how well devices detected awake time vs sleep time combining (deep, light and rem together). I've accepted that actual sleep stage tracking is not very good for these devices and I'm only really interested in tracking how many hours I was asleep accurately, and I'm curious which device is the best for that.
I would love to see review on the best sleep tracker ecosystem (sleep, fitness, medical trackers [ Cholesterol, Blood pressure..etc.] vs best sleep & fitness tracker vs best solo sleep tracker. Can you also include the best tracking apps for all those devices. 🤔
Thanks to you, instead of an expensive Oura Ring 3 I own a Garmin vivomove Sport (so beautiful and good for deep sleep) and a fitbit inspire 2, such a good value using it for hrv and additional sleep tracking.
Excellent, I’m about to watch this. I bought the oura 2 and then the 3 purely from your videos. And it’s transformed my sleeping. I have gone from 4-5 hours a night to a solid 7. Was able to work out my natural rhythm is from 4am to 11am for sleep. Although I’m often getting over 50-60% deep and only 10% max rem. also have a frontier x heart monitor for continuous ecg and the heart rates match up pretty well.
@@WombatGamesChannel yes it's subscription based now if on gen 3. But came with 6 months free. If upgrading from oura 2 you got lifetime subscription for free. I still have a few months left.
Wonderful Nick! Happy my videos turned out helpful, and it seems like you are a proper night owl ;-) . And, 4-5 hours of sleep sounds like a suboptimal amount indeed ;-) . Have a great day! 😊😄
I was really hoping you had tested on their promised* 2022 sleep tracking algorithm. They claim ridiculously high accuracy, so hopefully the rubber will meet the road this year. Please re-test when the new algo is out!!
Does this video not cover the new sleep tracking algorithm? I'm very tempted to buy an Oura for sleep analysis and this video suggests I should keep my money...
I was waiting the whole video for the *For Sale announcement from the video thumbnail, as I thought I could get the ring on discount from you (I'm about an hour drive from Vienna), and after the video ended I saw it actually says For Some :-) it was obscured by the timestamp of the video length. Anyway, this is the video I was waiting for, it confirms that I have to wait for a reliable device. Thanks Rob.
Hi, could you make an comparison for the most discussed rings (Oura3, RingCon and Ultrahuman Aur) in accuracy? And maybe some more interesting ssettings like setup measuringintervall? All reviews are to general. Yours are the only one which review things which really matters. Thanks and keep going!
Oura is indeed gunning for whoop’s helm for recovery, stress and sleep but at the moment it seems that Fitbit is closer to whoop than Oura and Fitbit’s main focus isn’t that anyway
Hi Shervin! Yep, Whoop still beats Oura's ass when it comes to sleep stage tracking at the moment. I do think that the size of the group of people who would benefit most from having a Whoop is probably comparable to the size of the group that would benefit more from Oura. Though they have plenty of overlap, for the non-sport-focussed and more-health-focussed group, the Oura is still a great choice. Have a great day!
Yet another excellent, comprehensive review. I’ve worn WHOOP for over two years and have now been wearing Oura Ring 3 for about 4 months. In my experience, WHOOP is far superior at sleep staging. Oura is particularly bad at detecting SWS & REM. Here’s to hoping that the updated sleep staging algorithm is vastly improved, but I’m skeptical it’s as good as Oura claims in that one peer-reviewed journal article.
Compared to both Apple Watch and WHOOP, Oura seems to struggle with accurately detecting respiratory rate. I think that’s one of the reasons it’s so ineffective at accurately staging sleep. Hopefully, the new algorithm greatly improves this.
@@jamesfhIII I just got my oura ring 3 today. Its my first technological device that's wearable. When this "new update" I've heard so much about coming out?
@@XTen1000DaysX According to the most recent email from Oura, the new sleep staging algorithm is scheduled to launch sometime in “autumn” of this year.
When the Oura Ring 3 was announced, I purchased 2 month old Ring 2 for $120 for someone who ordered the 3. So glad I did. While the Ring 2 is not perfect, it does prompt me to rest As an activity tracker, I don't think the ring 2 is very accurate, I sit all day and type on a keyboard, I doubt I am as active as it tell me, even though the activity is very low Still great sleep tracker and if the 3 is as good as Oura claim, I will buy it Great video once again, thank you Rob
Great explanation and review Rob. I use my Apple Watch and an app called Training today. The app has access to my HRV and it translate that to a RTT score. I think it’s pretty accurate. When I am up I do see the last measurement was taken around 5am & around the day the app will update if I am stationary with very little movement. I also use my Garmin watch and rely on body battery as an indication of my HRV
@@TheQuantifiedScientist I think so 😉 to be fair the Apple Watch is reliable for HRV tracking and having training today work out my readiness is a plus. I had covid recently and training app consistently gave me a score of zero for 4 consecutive days advising to refrain from any activities! Amazing stuff right? On day 5/6 it recommend that I do minimal activity in zone 1 and 2
@@Ajajambo Nice. Can the apple watch be configured to keep you in zone 1 and 2 whilst training? I.e. give you an alert if you're training outside of those zones
I am looking forward to summarizing the best Smartwatch in the category of heartbeat accuracy, GPS accuracy etc. I really like your scientific tests because there is a lack of objective tests like yours.
Hi Rob! I love your channel almost absolutely!! There is one little thing I started to question in your reviews. From what I understand you aren't analyzing the most useful data for sleep. As a productivity maniac I am interested in better sleep. In this context better sleep is more deep sleep. Especially the amount of deep sleep is the most important metric for me (and the rest of biohackers). So when you analyze if the deep sleep was detected it's only a small part of the story. For me, much more important information is how accurate was the amount of detected deep sleep. It actually doesn't matter if the deep sleep was detected mistakenly in incorrect moments IF the sum amount of the deep sleep was counted correctly: -> the amount of deep sleep on the test device is 95% the same as on the model device). Do you think you could address this challenge in some way? Maybe you could publish the raw sleep data from your tests and I could help calculate the accuracy for this specific and (in my opinion) the most important metric. I appreciate your work!
Having so much trouble deciding whether to go with the Oura 3 or Whoop 4.0 to be a companion to my Apple Watch 6.0. Really appreciate all you reviews and time spent for your TH-cam videos
I hadn't realized they had finally updated the algorithm. Still far from perfect but probably at least *somewhat* useful / clearly better than chance with decent deep and awake detection. Guess I'll finally start paying attention to it again.
Please consider to make a video for the smartwatches with smart alarm feature. Is one of the most important things that have a direct impact to your daily life. Keep it up!
Awesome interview, would love to see more of this between those of you in the wearable space, and I have so many questions for all of you, including the quantified scientist. For instance, does he see an overlap in his field of study and wearables? If so does he plan to pursue them? I’d imagine somewhere buried in the data there’s useful information when it comes to epigenetic‘s. Three people come to mind when I think about the work you guys are doing, Daniel Kraft, Eric Topol, and Berci Mesko. These guys bring the health and medical side to the wearables discussion. Lastly, we’ve all had our “I wish my watch did this” moments. What features or upgrades do you wish Garmin or Apple (or other) would add today, something you know is technologically easy to add but for whatever reason doesn’t exist? I’ve been begging for a multi-activity feature for years, I’ll buy whatever brand delivers it. The common term is”WOD”, a mix of as many activities as you like. The activity names should transfer too so that box jumps transfer to Garmin Connect and Strava as box jumps and not revert to the generic “cardio” name. Ideally we can save these WOD’s and share them so others can download them. The possibilities are endless and so many people are Crosstraining, doing CrossFit, Hyrox training and competition, Spartan obstacle course racing, DekaFit competitions etc. Okay I can go on forever, thanks for the interview and keep it up!
Did you consider swapping hands of the oura rings and do a repeated experiment? It would be really interesting to see if there are indeed differences between hands, don't you think?
Do you have a video/blog/article, where you compare all the different devices side-by-side to see which on is the best for tracking sleep? Or is it just these individual reviews? Thanks!
My friend please rate and test the new Oura Gen 3 ring sleep algorithm. I think it sucks. But I'd like to see your analysis. Thanks man! I mean you are seriously promoting it in this video and yet I think it's worse than it ever was. They didn't even really change the way they perceive it I mean measure it. It just seems like they used a formula to change the math based on the HRV score. People with higher HRV scores are getting instantly more sleep and deep sleep but people that have lower HRV scores including those who are older who have normal HRV scores for their age are immediately seeing huge deficits in sleep and deep sleep. That's just total BS. They're also admitting that their former algorithm was completely wrong. And that they were basically ripping people off for the last several years if we believe that their new algorithm is true. This is why it's oh so very important for you to do another review where you test this new algorithm against other devices and your other equipment that you so well used to do so. We're really counting on you sir!
Hi Rob. I’ve been watching your videos for a while, and follow your analysis with interest. The only thing holding back my decision, not just the algorithm update, is the battery longevity. How long will the battery in the ring last before it just stops holding a charge? $300 + subscription is a lot for something that may last 18-24 months maybe? What’s your opinion on the oura ring’s shall life? Thanks 🙏
Circular ring - Oura ring's rival is coming this year. Would love to hear your review about it soon :D other reviews is not as good and scientific as your
I noticed that about a month ago my REM sleep time increased significantly and has more or less stayed higher. I have been wearing an Oura ring for 3 years now and the increase REM amount was definitely a noticeable change. I was wondering if they tweaked the sleep algorithm a little bit.
Can you do an analysis of the 'sleep as android' app? It does an estimation based on movement so probably not accurate. However you can also couple it with a HR monitor during your sleep and maybe then the accuracy is decent.
Oura has a new CEO as far as I know. Could be the reason for the sudden change. Hopefully this doesn't become a new pattern. That said I have had two rings with battery issues, gotten two new rings for free with upgrades include.
I have a question - have you since reworked the data analysis for the sleep tracking on the garmin venu 2? Because as far as I can tell, the dot in your comparison chart doesn't match any of the data given in your review of the device, and I know you changed EEG device around that time. Just, yanno, what is the method for generating the comparison chart here?
Absolutely love your videos as a fellow scientist! I was wondering if you could do your top polar watches for daily continuous tracking? I have a heart condition and would like to have a good wearable device to monitor my heart but I'm not an apple fan. Also I'm located in the US and Huawei has been banned here. Thank you!
Hi Rob. Thanks for the video. Do you know if the oura ring released the promised features yet? I am quite excited and looking forward to a nice device with which I can track my hrv, but also o2 levels in my blood. The oura ring appeals to me, but I also feel kind of lost as to which I should go for an alternative device. Some much choice. Which would you recommend?
Regarding sleep stage tracking - do you believe it's only a matter of algorithms and data analysis, or is perhaps hand movement (and other sensed data by the ring) *itself* not reliable enough for sleep stage indication compared to brain activity measurements?
Hey there, love your videos :) Just had a question : Is there a reason why the data isn't sorted by date in ascending / descending order at 15:05 ? Might have shown the nature of their algorithm (learning / static) :)
Was going to order one. However they have no UK supplier and it can’t be bought on Amazon. So I’d have to buy if off their international site, wait several weeks, then pay unspecified import taxes and fees. So that’s a major fail and I’ll forget the idea.
If you don’t mind me asking, are you left or right handed please? Provided you are using the same size ring on both hands, I wonder if there is any difference in data as a persons most used hand is supposed to be ever so slightly bigger than the other. Just wondered if you’ve noticed any correlations?
Hi Rob, may I ask why do you think Oura ring 3 is not better than whoop devices in Test 8 of this video? I think among the sleep tracking devices you've tested, Oura ring 3 has the best performance in terms of detecting deep sleep which I think might be the most important component of a night sleep. Thank you.
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Excellent video Rob, I think that today Oura Ring doesn't offer something new that doesn't do the rest other than being a ring and not a watch, I don't know if it's worth those 300 + subscription. Today everyone has nocturnal hrv, sleep and respiratory rate. It would be interesting if you could test the Apple watch applications for sleep and a new one like Athytic
Hi Franco! It seems like some others are interested in this too, thanks for sharing your thoughts! 😊😄
@@TheQuantifiedScientist Polar Pacer Pro next?
Really good analysis. So glad I chose not to upgrade my Oura Ring 2.
It's unfortunate that releasing the 3 was really a move to generate cash, and not because there was any improvement to their technology.
Hi Joshua! Well, it could still happen. Also, I think the improved sleep stage algorithm could also work on the Oura Ring 2, though I think they will not upgrade that one. They did improve the sensors to improve temperature, and add workout heart rate and SpO2, though they have so far needed many month to provide these updates... I indeed think they were overly optimistic on timelines, but lets hope they release these soon and that they work well 😊😄
@@TheQuantifiedScientist yes good points! How much do you find devices can improve with software/algorithm changes? I kinda feel like it depends much more on the hardware technology itself, and software improvements are usually small or to resolve bugs.
I guess we'll need another update in a little while!
It is certainly a bit aggravating that people now have to factor in a subscription fee, or people like me had to rush into upgrading to the next gen before having had enough usage of gen 2, for a product with barely any improvement.
But I try to remain hopeful that this cash flow is part of a strategy to show investors that the product still has potential, and will help Oura keep the lights on and crack on with improvements. But then again, I could be saying it because I am now personally invested into the product and wish to see a return on that. Either way, it's a new-ish form of technology so it is to be expected that it is a risky investment.
And you still have batery in good condicion
A terrible roll out of the new model. Read the scathing reviews on their Instagram. Ours basically did a crowd funding on their loyal Oura ring 2 customers. Their business model is enough to put one off of their decent product.
I like it that you are increasing the depth of your analysis and changing the content lately. Good job!
impeccable work!
Nice that someone with the background tests so meticulously.
I would just suggest you make some general videos like "what are the best biomarkers to track for goal x" or "what are the best devices to track sleeping quality" etc. Because since this is the first video I saw of your, it is not that easy to find this kind of information.
All the best from Germany :-)
Amazing stuff! Those reviews are priceless.
Still waiting for a wearable that accuratly tracks sleep.
Hi Curtis! There are some quite OK trackers out there. However, without EEG (or preferably PPG) I think there will be a limit. Also, these algorithms will likely be aimed at "normal/healthy" sleepers
@@TheQuantifiedScientist could you tell me which device now in 2022 is the best one in your opinion. Best value for best tracking ability... I'm looking into buying one. I've watched a lot of your videos.
Great video Rob. Can you retest with the latest beta release. I’m curious to see how their new sleep stage tracking algorithm performs
Yes pleaseee
Not a current Oura user. Has this beta release been updated again since? Is it still in beta? Are there any other channels looking at the latest software/algorithm? Any info is much appreciated.
Would definitely love to see some updated tests. Debating about getting the Oura ring or the Apple Watch ultra. Mainly because the Apple Watch might be uncomfortable when sleeping.
@@nathan-clark yes, as of 2 months I believe, they show in the oura app a beta version. So we see 2 versions of sleep, beta is usually seeing less time in deep sleep and more in REM. I am also curious to see another test with oura to see if the beta is more accurate, you're the only one I trust❤️
Been waiting for this video for a while, and will wait for another one after the software update becomes available to see if I should buy the oura ring 3 or the next Apple Watch.
I love your videos and they are extremely helpful and reliable, keep it up my man!
Thanks Lucas! It is really appreciated
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This review is simply amazing. Love the objective, scientific analysis. Thank you
Thanks for the well presented and clear data presentation.
Went for a ski trip a few weeks back and the oura ring was quite good in noticing my body becoming exhausted.
Subjectively I was starting to feel it gradually as well. But the morning then oura ring said to rest, I was originally planning on going but decided against over caffeinating and going and just resting and it was the good choice.
Athlytic with the apple watch was still reporting stuff that was a bit more random at that point.
So I like the ring as an unobtrusive tracker that I also like as an accessory. Means I don't have to take any others with me.
I am totally agreed with your assessment. I am wearing Oura ring 2 then 3 for many years now. The recommendation the ring gives me has been very helpful and my sleep has improved a lot. The readiness scores were very accurate to how I felt when I jog. Oura ring look at the data on that day plus the trend lead to that day to give the scores, I think that might be the big difference compared to Rob data only looking at specific data of the day.
As feedback, I'd be really interested to see a plot of devices how well devices detected awake time vs sleep time combining (deep, light and rem together). I've accepted that actual sleep stage tracking is not very good for these devices and I'm only really interested in tracking how many hours I was asleep accurately, and I'm curious which device is the best for that.
Nice Video! Looking forward to the new algorithms and your analysis :D
Hi Leo! Me too!
I would love to see review on the best sleep tracker ecosystem (sleep, fitness, medical trackers [ Cholesterol, Blood pressure..etc.] vs best sleep & fitness tracker vs best solo sleep tracker. Can you also include the best tracking apps for all those devices. 🤔
Thanks to you, instead of an expensive Oura Ring 3 I own a Garmin vivomove Sport (so beautiful and good for deep sleep) and a fitbit inspire 2, such a good value using it for hrv and additional sleep tracking.
But how do you know for sure if it's really any good?
Thank you for the very valuable content and easy to understand presentation.
Excellent, I’m about to watch this. I bought the oura 2 and then the 3 purely from your videos. And it’s transformed my sleeping. I have gone from 4-5 hours a night to a solid 7. Was able to work out my natural rhythm is from 4am to 11am for sleep. Although I’m often getting over 50-60% deep and only 10% max rem. also have a frontier x heart monitor for continuous ecg and the heart rates match up pretty well.
Did they switch to the subscription based model or was that not true?
@@WombatGamesChannel yes it's subscription based now if on gen 3. But came with 6 months free. If upgrading from oura 2 you got lifetime subscription for free. I still have a few months left.
@@NicksGotBeef hmmm I really dont like that approach to be honest. Ill stick to my fitbit charge i think
Yeah it's not great. But I have an issue with wearing things round my wrists. So this ring was perfect for me.
Wonderful Nick! Happy my videos turned out helpful, and it seems like you are a proper night owl ;-) . And, 4-5 hours of sleep sounds like a suboptimal amount indeed ;-) . Have a great day! 😊😄
Excellent analysis as always
Thanks Joe, these kind words always mean a lot (after a weekend of hard work on the video 😊😄 )
I was really hoping you had tested on their promised* 2022 sleep tracking algorithm.
They claim ridiculously high accuracy, so hopefully the rubber will meet the road this year.
Please re-test when the new algo is out!!
Does this video not cover the new sleep tracking algorithm? I'm very tempted to buy an Oura for sleep analysis and this video suggests I should keep my money...
I was waiting the whole video for the *For Sale announcement from the video thumbnail, as I thought I could get the ring on discount from you (I'm about an hour drive from Vienna), and after the video ended I saw it actually says For Some :-) it was obscured by the timestamp of the video length.
Anyway, this is the video I was waiting for, it confirms that I have to wait for a reliable device. Thanks Rob.
Hi Kristian! Haha, sorry, no Oura Rings for sale 😅 . Still happy that you enjoyed the video though 😊😄
Can't wait their new updates and of course you review for it. If they keep their promises i will definitely buy one !
As usual very nice review :)
love your videos have been using them to choose my tools!
Hi Rob, thanks for this hard work
Thanks so much Freaking Freak!
I just want to say thank you for making these videos and taking the time to promote science in this world of marketing lies.
I guess I will have to wait until autumn. Thank you for making this video
Hi, could you make an comparison for the most discussed rings (Oura3, RingCon and Ultrahuman Aur) in accuracy? And maybe some more interesting ssettings like setup measuringintervall? All reviews are to general. Yours are the only one which review things which really matters. Thanks and keep going!
Really in-depth review. Awesome job.
Excellent analysis, as always Rob! Thank you!
I love all the WHOOP Affiliate links in the Oura Ring videos
Oura is indeed gunning for whoop’s helm for recovery, stress and sleep but at the moment it seems that Fitbit is closer to whoop than Oura and Fitbit’s main focus isn’t that anyway
Hi Shervin! Yep, Whoop still beats Oura's ass when it comes to sleep stage tracking at the moment. I do think that the size of the group of people who would benefit most from having a Whoop is probably comparable to the size of the group that would benefit more from Oura. Though they have plenty of overlap, for the non-sport-focussed and more-health-focussed group, the Oura is still a great choice. Have a great day!
Another excellent video with real numbers. I love it thanks! Which software are you using to calculate the HRV with the polar strap?
Neal, you're doing great in the world! Keep it up!
Yet another excellent, comprehensive review. I’ve worn WHOOP for over two years and have now been wearing Oura Ring 3 for about 4 months. In my experience, WHOOP is far superior at sleep staging. Oura is particularly bad at detecting SWS & REM. Here’s to hoping that the updated sleep staging algorithm is vastly improved, but I’m skeptical it’s as good as Oura claims in that one peer-reviewed journal article.
Hi James! Yes, Whoop indeed does a much better job. Lets see if Oura can step up their game with the new algorithm!
Compared to both Apple Watch and WHOOP, Oura seems to struggle with accurately detecting respiratory rate. I think that’s one of the reasons it’s so ineffective at accurately staging sleep. Hopefully, the new algorithm greatly improves this.
@@jamesfhIII I just got my oura ring 3 today. Its my first technological device that's wearable. When this "new update" I've heard so much about coming out?
@@XTen1000DaysX According to the most recent email from Oura, the new sleep staging algorithm is scheduled to launch sometime in “autumn” of this year.
@@jamesfhIII well do you think I should buy the whoop or ora ring?
Perfect summary, well presented to the point
When the Oura Ring 3 was announced, I purchased 2 month old Ring 2 for $120 for someone who ordered the 3.
So glad I did. While the Ring 2 is not perfect, it does prompt me to rest
As an activity tracker, I don't think the ring 2 is very accurate, I sit all day and type on a keyboard, I doubt I am as active as it tell me, even though the activity is very low
Still great sleep tracker and if the 3 is as good as Oura claim, I will buy it
Great video once again, thank you Rob
Great vid and analysis! Any chance of reviewing the upcoming competitor the Circular Ring?
GIVE US THE NEW ALGORITHM OURA!!!
Hi Shervin! Yeah, I would love to see how good that new algorithm actually is :-D
Polar released a beginner and a mid-ranged "Polar Pacer Pro" hopefully you can do reviews on them eventually
The left hand should give more accurate as there is more of your heart on the left and a bit shorter distance to track
Great explanation and review Rob. I use my Apple Watch and an app called Training today. The app has access to my HRV and it translate that to a RTT score. I think it’s pretty accurate. When I am up I do see the last measurement was taken around 5am & around the day the app will update if I am stationary with very little movement. I also use my Garmin watch and rely on body battery as an indication of my HRV
I’d like a review by Rob, maybe an Apple Watch with an app like this will be better value than Oura ring.
Thanks for the compliments BinoWorld! Thanks for sharing, seems like you have figured out a system that works well for you! 😊😄
@@TheQuantifiedScientist I think so 😉 to be fair the Apple Watch is reliable for HRV tracking and having training today work out my readiness is a plus. I had covid recently and training app consistently gave me a score of zero for 4 consecutive days advising to refrain from any activities! Amazing stuff right? On day 5/6 it recommend that I do minimal activity in zone 1 and 2
@@Ajajambo Nice. Can the apple watch be configured to keep you in zone 1 and 2 whilst training? I.e. give you an alert if you're training outside of those zones
I am looking forward to summarizing the best Smartwatch in the category of heartbeat accuracy, GPS accuracy etc.
I really like your scientific tests because there is a lack of objective tests like yours.
Hi Rob!
I love your channel almost absolutely!!
There is one little thing I started to question in your reviews.
From what I understand you aren't analyzing the most useful data for sleep.
As a productivity maniac I am interested in better sleep. In this context better sleep is more deep sleep.
Especially the amount of deep sleep is the most important metric for me (and the rest of biohackers).
So when you analyze if the deep sleep was detected it's only a small part of the story.
For me, much more important information is how accurate was the amount of detected deep sleep.
It actually doesn't matter if the deep sleep was detected mistakenly in incorrect moments IF the sum amount of the deep sleep was counted correctly:
-> the amount of deep sleep on the test device is 95% the same as on the model device).
Do you think you could address this challenge in some way?
Maybe you could publish the raw sleep data from your tests and I could help calculate the accuracy for this specific and (in my opinion) the most important metric.
I appreciate your work!
Need a circular ring review. Fantastic video btw
Having so much trouble deciding whether to go with the Oura 3 or Whoop 4.0 to be a companion to my Apple Watch 6.0. Really appreciate all you reviews and time spent for your TH-cam videos
If the update comes out oura 3 could be dope
@@XTen1000DaysX when will it come out?
@@chris5897 no idea reddit it maybe
They've rolled out the additional algorithm and blood oxygen saturation. Would love to see if the results have improved!
I hadn't realized they had finally updated the algorithm. Still far from perfect but probably at least *somewhat* useful / clearly better than chance with decent deep and awake detection. Guess I'll finally start paying attention to it again.
Great analysis. Great hair.
Hi Zach! Haha, thanks 💁🏼♂️
The oura ring is also compatible w Natural Cycles for more accurate menstrual cycle tracking
Please consider to make a video for the smartwatches with smart alarm feature. Is one of the most important things that have a direct impact to your daily life. Keep it up!
Love your bike!
Amazing work! Thanks
Looking forward to a head to head with the upcoming Circular Ring (specs seem promising and does not have a subscription model)
Awesome interview, would love to see more of this between those of you in the wearable space, and I have so many questions for all of you, including the quantified scientist.
For instance, does he see an overlap in his field of study and wearables? If so does he plan to pursue them? I’d imagine somewhere buried in the data there’s useful information when it comes to epigenetic‘s.
Three people come to mind when I think about the work you guys are doing, Daniel Kraft, Eric Topol, and Berci Mesko. These guys bring the health and medical side to the wearables discussion.
Lastly, we’ve all had our “I wish my watch did this” moments. What features or upgrades do you wish Garmin or Apple (or other) would add today, something you know is technologically easy to add but for whatever reason doesn’t exist?
I’ve been begging for a multi-activity feature for years, I’ll buy whatever brand delivers it. The common term is”WOD”, a mix of as many activities as you like. The activity names should transfer too so that box jumps transfer to Garmin Connect and Strava as box jumps and not revert to the generic “cardio” name. Ideally we can save these WOD’s and share them so others can download them. The possibilities are endless and so many people are Crosstraining, doing CrossFit, Hyrox training and competition, Spartan obstacle course racing, DekaFit competitions etc.
Okay I can go on forever, thanks for the interview and keep it up!
Thank you very much for the video. Would you advice to buy an Apple Watch 8 or Oura ring 3 ?
Quiet a good looking creative thumbnail to make the rings look like spectacles
Also great informative video
Thanks Anos! Glad you enjoyed it 😊😄
Did you consider swapping hands of the oura rings and do a repeated experiment?
It would be really interesting to see if there are indeed differences between hands, don't you think?
Thanks for this review, i hope to see a review of Mi band 7.
Subscription for a consumer product? No thank you, I have commitment issues. Great analysis monsieur!
Thanks for the video!! Have you looked into the validity of its spo2 measurements at all yet?
Excellent video once again.
Do you have any plans for CGM testing?
Do you have a video/blog/article, where you compare all the different devices side-by-side to see which on is the best for tracking sleep? Or is it just these individual reviews? Thanks!
My friend please rate and test the new Oura Gen 3 ring sleep algorithm. I think it sucks. But I'd like to see your analysis. Thanks man! I mean you are seriously promoting it in this video and yet I think it's worse than it ever was. They didn't even really change the way they perceive it I mean measure it. It just seems like they used a formula to change the math based on the HRV score. People with higher HRV scores are getting instantly more sleep and deep sleep but people that have lower HRV scores including those who are older who have normal HRV scores for their age are immediately seeing huge deficits in sleep and deep sleep. That's just total BS. They're also admitting that their former algorithm was completely wrong. And that they were basically ripping people off for the last several years if we believe that their new algorithm is true. This is why it's oh so very important for you to do another review where you test this new algorithm against other devices and your other equipment that you so well used to do so. We're really counting on you sir!
Hi Rob. I’ve been watching your videos for a while, and follow your analysis with interest. The only thing holding back my decision, not just the algorithm update, is the battery longevity. How long will the battery in the ring last before it just stops holding a charge? $300 + subscription is a lot for something that may last 18-24 months maybe?
What’s your opinion on the oura ring’s shall life? Thanks 🙏
Trustworthy videos. If you could suggest any budget band with high accuracy of steps and heart rate, sleep tracking is not important. Thank you. 👏
Please make a follow up video after they have updated the firmware
I suggest you to retest the Huawei GT3 aganin. There were recentily a upgrade that updated the sensors. It seens to be more accurate now.
Thanks!
I was pretty interested in this ring but refuse to pay for another subscription. Not truly worth it to me.
Thank you for another excellent video.
Circular ring - Oura ring's rival is coming this year. Would love to hear your review about it soon :D other reviews is not as good and scientific as your
I noticed that about a month ago my REM sleep time increased significantly and has more or less stayed higher. I have been wearing an Oura ring for 3 years now and the increase REM amount was definitely a noticeable change. I was wondering if they tweaked the sleep algorithm a little bit.
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Please cover the ECG features of Apple and Galaxy
TY a lot for such a great work! I wonder why you use saint petersburg footage in your videos?:)
Please review ringconn smart ring if possible.
Can you do an analysis of the 'sleep as android' app? It does an estimation based on movement so probably not accurate. However you can also couple it with a HR monitor during your sleep and maybe then the accuracy is decent.
Hi Arne! That has been on my list for a long long time indeed. I need to make some time for it 😊😄
As a drummer, even though high HRV is better, I still feel shane.
Could you do an assessment of the accuracy of the Fenix 7 for sleep tracking please?
Oura has a new CEO as far as I know. Could be the reason for the sudden change. Hopefully this doesn't become a new pattern. That said I have had two rings with battery issues, gotten two new rings for free with upgrades include.
I have a question - have you since reworked the data analysis for the sleep tracking on the garmin venu 2? Because as far as I can tell, the dot in your comparison chart doesn't match any of the data given in your review of the device, and I know you changed EEG device around that time. Just, yanno, what is the method for generating the comparison chart here?
when is Amazfit NEO video coming out ??
please emfit qs test too, soon, thx.
Absolutely love your videos as a fellow scientist! I was wondering if you could do your top polar watches for daily continuous tracking? I have a heart condition and would like to have a good wearable device to monitor my heart but I'm not an apple fan. Also I'm located in the US and Huawei has been banned here. Thank you!
Eveyrthing is perfect and super interesting but on test 8 we can't see Apple Watch to compare :(
How about using both Oura rings on different fingers of the same hand? Especially if you are a side sleeper…
Viewing this in early September - is the new software out? And the inproved sleepmonitoring coming soon?
A Suunto 9 Peak review would be nice thanks:)
Can I look at the Ring as a scale in that each one is can be different but if you use the same ring/scale then it should be consistence.
Will you ever consider measuring the same hrv data for garmin ("stress")?
How about that new algorithm?
Hi Rob. Thanks for the video. Do you know if the oura ring released the promised features yet?
I am quite excited and looking forward to a nice device with which I can track my hrv, but also o2 levels in my blood. The oura ring appeals to me, but I also feel kind of lost as to which I should go for an alternative device. Some much choice. Which would you recommend?
Can you please review colorfit ultra 2 watch ?
Regarding sleep stage tracking - do you believe it's only a matter of algorithms and data analysis, or is perhaps hand movement (and other sensed data by the ring) *itself* not reliable enough for sleep stage indication compared to brain activity measurements?
Hey there, love your videos :)
Just had a question :
Is there a reason why the data isn't sorted by date in ascending / descending order at 15:05 ?
Might have shown the nature of their algorithm (learning / static) :)
Was going to order one. However they have no UK supplier and it can’t be bought on Amazon. So I’d have to buy if off their international site, wait several weeks, then pay unspecified import taxes and fees. So that’s a major fail and I’ll forget the idea.
Hi Rob, may I request for you to review the Xiaomi Mibro X1 smartwatch? Thank you so much! ❤️
If you don’t mind me asking, are you left or right handed please?
Provided you are using the same size ring on both hands, I wonder if there is any difference in data as a persons most used hand is supposed to be ever so slightly bigger than the other. Just wondered if you’ve noticed any correlations?
Hi Rob, would you also consider testing out the step counter for the Oura Ring? Seems to always over estimate versus other trackers.
Bro Fitbit Inspire 3 please! 🙏🏼
Hi Rob, may I ask why do you think Oura ring 3 is not better than whoop devices in Test 8 of this video? I think among the sleep tracking devices you've tested, Oura ring 3 has the best performance in terms of detecting deep sleep which I think might be the most important component of a night sleep. Thank you.
Commenting for the algo. Cheers Rob!
Will you be testing the sleep score max? Very curious to see if it actually does what it says it does.