Fire Pit Collective’s Alan Shipnuck Talks LIV Golf-PGA Tour Merger with Rich Eisen | Full Interview
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 มิ.ย. 2023
- The Fire Pit Collective’s Alan Shipnuck tells Rich Eisen why the stunning PGA Tour-LIV Golf merger is the biggest golf story of the century, if the merger vindicates Phil Mickelson became the face of LIV Golf early on much to the chagrin of many of his peers, how the merger will impact the PGA Tour rank and file and golf’s majors, and what it means for Greg Norman’s legacy in the sport.
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“… if you can ignore where the money comes from…”
No, I can’t.
I don’t care if “sports washing works”.
Speaking as a golfer and golf fan, I cannot in good conscience engage with, support, or watch men’s professional golf anymore.
Ignore -> All
Serious question. Why do you only care about golfers? Why not FedEx, RBC, Coca Cola and many other major corporations for taking Saudi money
@@prestonsmith7004 I do care about corporations (and other sports, and celebrities, and .…) and their ethics and morals. There is some difference between transactional biz relationships (FedEx) and “branded endorsement” (reputation laundering). Many sports leagues are guilty of selling out - F1, Premier League, …
@@prestonsmith7004 Also, I stopped watching football after it was clear they were covering up Traumatic Brain Injury. I don’t go to any concerts where tickets are sold through exploitative monopolists LiveNation / Ticketmaster. I quit Facebook in 2013 when it became clear they were reckless and exploitative regarding user privacy and misinformation. I don’t make a big stink about it. I just believe it is important to live my values.
Agreed im out
@@russellcameronthomas2116 Or you could just ignore this totally imaginary "reputation laundering" like the rest of us.
Rich is heartbroken.
Golfers will try to form a union next. ⛳️ The top-10 will be against it, but the rest realize that the PGA and LIV are about to cash in and likely take it public through an IPO. I hate all of this, but it seems inevitable. 💰
I’m sure Rory has a very principled stance against the Saudis as he is covered in Nike swooshes
PGA players lost huge, LIV players gained all imo.
They could have amen the money . Can only blame themselves
They’re doing exactly what everyone told them they couldn’t do for the past year. Having their cake and eating it too.
Won't watch liv. They can say they won all they want. All those players are nasty snarky shits
Alan Shipnuck remains the only sane voice in this whole thing. Thank you Alan!!
What? He’s profited off if this also. Now he’s rushing a book about a conflict that’s over.
he seems to be a confused voice... many of these guys dont understand the details of how BUSINESS works. Their prejudices blinds them.
Well they have to invest all that money from the US government somewhere.
Don't worry about McIlroy and others who remained loyal to PGA. They will have been paid millions to calm them down. In secret of course. Notice how McIlroy has been much less critical of Liv and Liv golfers lately. Money talks!!!!!
The cost of a single early round ticket to my local PGA tour stop is about $100. That's 3x what I paid a decade ago and 6x what I paid in the mid-90s. Following this announcement one can expect that price to increase exponentially to the point where fans are literally priced out of it. Meanwhile corps and players fight over the table scraps all the whole claiming victimhood to the tune of net worths of 9 or more digits. Sayonara...
It's not outrageous and compares pretty favourably to anything else in that time period. What did you pay for a major concert then vs now?
$100 is a total rip off
That is the cost of a 3-day ticket to a LIV event, one reason why you see a lot of families at LIV events.
The average fan that goes isn’t going to be priced out. Most golfers and golf fans come from or have $
@@SunniMerlot 💯
WOW it's like the Rebel Alliance, Merging with the Empire.
Shipnuck carried the water for the PGA
are you insane = there is no bigger PR agent for LIV alive
Sounds like Alan already got a piece of that pie already! Rich got real quiet!
You have to be pretty naive to not have seen this coming. Saudi money is so entwined already, it's just more open now
Elevated events will kill the regular events. Make them all the same and elevate the majors and maybe 4 others. Players, memorial, genesis, and toc
…And those smaller events who’s local charities truly rely upon these weekly stops to drive giving will be the one’s who suffer. Sad day.
I sure hope - that all those thousands of volunteers - in every city - who have for years volunteered their time to help operate these events for decades for free - I hope they all tell these tours /players to go F themselves
Rory and company! Welcome to the LIV tour!!! ⛳️
Alan Shipcuck had somewhat of a decent take until he said "it's not about money". That's ridiculous, This battle was sustainable for the LIV/Saudis, they have unlimited funds, the PIF fund dwarfs the PGA Tour funds to say the least. The PGA Tour was going bankrupt.
The merged entity is now just a bigger monopoly....covers the top 300 players in the world
So basically the PGA has legitimacy but needs $$$ and the LIV Tour has $$$$$$$ but needs legitimacy. That about sums it up.
We all know that’s Serj Tankian
The first order of business, now that they have all this cash at their disposal, is to set aside a million from the pot and divide up among players who miss the cut-who have something called overhead to deal with in good weeks or bad
story of the day? that's an understatement.
Hilarious when he said they are part of "Boeing"...yes we know...signed Sept 11 2001
Love ya Rich Eisen ... you're truly a purist... but like Alan gently stated: MONEY WINS !! ... every time
Alan Shipnuck at 15:40 epic!
Jay betrayed the players. Incredibly bad look for him. He must have gotten paid a boat load, under the table, by PIF.
Great stuff from Alan Shipnuck. Very exciting possibilities about the organization and events in professional golf going forward. A great victory for Greg Norman.
Time for Rich to get with the program!
Rich doesn't understand golf in any way
Phil can take the victory lap, Norman is out of a job. I'm sure he got his money.
@@pauljcross2289 Rich needs to stick to the NFL
It was an attempted hostile takeover - so they targeted insiders - just the way a foreign government would - they found useful idiots - with MICE - Money, ideology , Compromat , Ego - they knew exactly how to weaken and destroy the PGA tour in the long term - it was pretty cheap really - - FIGJAM and NORMAN are the perfect useful idiots - I sure hope their final days are those that befall most historical traitors
2:50 it wasn’t about the money for Rory. It was about a legacy….WASN’T IT ??? Apparently not eh !!! For people who have money, It’s always about money…with everyone and every thing. Eat that humble crow pie fellas. Lol.
So with all this $$$, how do we keep the drama in golf competitions? What's at stake anymore? Is their really any pressure making a 10-foot putt if you're a billionaire?
Rich's disgust toward the Saudi's is justified, just wish there was some of the same towards the NBA-China marriage.
Seems like Jay went to the Saudi's behind Greg Norman's back and said hey guy's you can have the PGA if you want.
Jay is all about Jay....he enjoys his ridiculous salary
100% done watching golf ... 9/11
No sand wedge will get the PGA out of this trap.
You cant wind back the clock. An offer was made to Rory and co. U make a business decision at the time. Those who turned it down have to live with that. AND how can you say "Blood Money" and then say well NOW we want our share of the so called Blood money. etc etc
Fortune favors the brave
It is blood money. What's your point
@@weskenny Hows it Blood Money ????
he will be getting his share - you people are clueless as to how things like this work
Rory said he was offered No money.
Only watching Majors for me
As we have all done forever.
Time to BUD LIGHT the PGA TOUR !!!
Won’t happen
I think this is not over. Mcllroy said at the Canadian open it was not a merger of the two tours ( he said it twice) and the PGA players would not allow the LIV players to just come back given the damage they did. Rory said his understanding was that it was a merger between DP World tour, PGA and the Investment fund. Guess we will see.
Nah, that's not accurate. The PIF AKA LIV, owns the PGA Tour now. Rory has no say, Monahan has no say.
Rory is just protecting his ego and repeating what he was told by Jay Monahan. And who in their right mind would trust anything Jay Monahan says after this? There’s a ton of details to be worked out but the Saudis are in charge no matter how hard the PGA guys try and portray otherwise.
@@gsabella4 no - PIF is absolutely NOT LIV - they just bought a bunch of soccer teams at the same time - incels such as yourself have creative perceptions - the deal as it is stated is a separate for profit entity - funded by PIF and run by PGA tour. If you think people like Rory or Tiger will have no say - then you are even dumber than you sound
If you offered my 3x they paycheck and oh by the way I only work 3 days a week, sign me up.
Why are people so shocked lol cu they thought things mattered more than money?
Why should the players who made a business decision to stay with the PGA be compensated? The LIV players took all the risk and were compensated for that risk. The players that stayed with the PGA didn't have any risk.
that is because you don't understand how democracy works - if people like Tiger , Rory are not made right - this whole thing goes to hell - it is just how this works
Shipnuck had me until he said "it's not about money"
He knows better than that. But he needs access, because that is how he makes HIS money. If he tells the absolute truth, that the answer to every question about every facet of this thing is money, he risks losing that access.
When did he say that??
@@JonesyTerp1 he is a PR agent for LIV - he has a book coming out
Team golf is garbage apart from the Ryder cup, how about the odd scramble, skins game, match play
Name a single individual sport that made it as a team sport
Give me my 2-iron, a large bucket and give “Jay Moneyhand” a shag bag. I’m just kidding large bucket for everybody
LIV PGA merger best kept secret ever. JAY should be head of CIA
You will never know he is NOT.
Actually there are those of us that HAVE KNOWN ----- for some time----- that JAY IS CIA.....you can take it to the bank.
Ricky Fowler had a choice, he said no. He isn’t owed once cent… These PGA players who will demand reparations deserve literally nothing. They had a choice…
1000% AGREE... you cant wind back the clock. An offer was made. U make a decision at the time. Those who turned it down have to live with that. AND how can you say "Blood Money" and then say well NOW we want our share of the so called Blood money. etc etc
Yep. If it makes dollars it makes sense. Americans and their silly, self-righteous principles in the face of business is why so many aren't rich but wish they were. They can't set partisan loyalties aside to make a business transaction.
TRUSTWORTHY ---- thats Phil Mickelson ---- He was the LONE VOICE IN THE WILDERNESS criticising the PGA GREED from LONG AGO---- PHIL WAS THE PROPHET CALLING OUT JAY MONOHAN being unfair to players------- PHIL should be PGA Commissioner !!
Everything in life has a price!
I think it’s hilarious that people think that Shipnuck is brainwashed just because he isn’t being outrageous about this announcement.
It really goes to show how everybody just wants to live in an echo chamber and refuse to hear the other side of anything.
Go call your Uber, while you watch Disney+, and eat your Saudi pie. So hilarious.
Hello, I'm curious since I want to enter the correct echo chamber. Which one is it where they chopped up a reporters body in their embassy in a different country and got away with it?
@@tomh.1484 yeah because America is all squeaky clean. Cmon bruh.
And what in the world does that have to do with Golf??
You do realize EVERYTHING you use is basically Saudi funded. Are you deleting all those apps and devices from your life?? I doubt it. Because look at you using TH-cam. What a joke.
🎯🎯🎯
@@tomh.1484 that would be the Trump embassy
A key change will be more players can play in each tour… this is good for golf and good for golf fans.
Those guys who turned down the Saudi money because they took the moral high ground & didn't want to take the blood money should retire from the tour or play for free, otherwise they are hyprocites if they end up taking prize money which is funded by the Saudi PIF.
I hate team golf.
Bloooooood money!
Everybody is hungry for that blood money now...IMO
Watch Rory's principles change once he sees all that money.
Dude this is America - its only blood money when its in your pocket - when it is in mine - I earned it.
If you bought gas today, you probably did business with the Saudis. I know that's not strictly true, but you get the point. With everything that petroleum is used for, chances are you did business with the Saudis today whether it be buying gas or a drink at the gas station that comes in a plastic bottle.
Lol these poor PGA golfers and lost money. They made their choices and those had consequences good or bad.
Fans get conned with most everything. With golf, it's all about the individual. Try and try, the team deal isn't going to fly. Alan has been embedded in LIV so long he's drank the cool aid.
he totally has - he has been at every one of them - if you watch you can pick him out - he is taller than the other 3 in the crowd
I guess Rich is going to return his phone and all his clothes............or does he not realize where those came from either? OH! its selective moral outrage
got it, cool
History matters, but lets change everthing. Every clown and puppet has flip flopped in their mansplaining of this mess....
Actually Alan, Rickie has had a pretty good year . . . You do follow the sport, right?
Yeah he has been having a good season this year. But I think he’s more so saying that at the time he turned down LIV he was in the third year of a severe slump. So to have turned that down when he did was huge because he didn’t know his game would return like it has this year.
no he is a LIV PR agent
Devils $$$$
Like Rich would turn down 9 figures from the Saudis, whatever helps you sleep at night, lol.
Golf allowed itself to be Cucked by Saudi Arabia. Sad!
EAT THAT CROW!! BEE Itch!!
Blood money makes the world go round baby!
Eisen would lay off his entire staff and go back to radio before taking that nasty Saudi money. We should all be as good, moral and proper as Rich Eisen, who has totally never done anything for money.
Also, everything your govt. does, you are responsible for. All the civilians we droned for decades for the crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, Rich is complicit in those deaths.
/sarcasm
Globalist Corporatist consolidation of power & money CONTINUES
Tawdry. Very tawdry.
yes - very tawdry people . and for god sake please stop asking these players about how they justify - taking this money - the fact is they don't care it is so painful to watch them try and say something intelligent - and they are so not - it usually ends up - "everybody makes mistakes" for christ sakes if you want to embarrass them pull their pants down - but asking them questions about morality - they are golf pros - they could honestly care less
Change name from PGA to ABL - Arab Boot Lickers.
The new PGA, The Profit and Greed Association
The judgement of some people is so hypoctitical. Saudis are entrenched with our government and have been for many years.
It will be a good thing why care so much about it take a look at the world.
Americans ever heard of the CIA?
that is actually a ridiculous comment - yes the USA relationship dates back to FDR and King Saud - but this MBS run Saudi govt is a different animal - if you do not get that up front - there is no point
I wont watch any sport with Saudi money.
So do you use Saudi oil?😂 of course you do
@@dickhardpicard Saudi oil makes up less than 6% of the oil in my country. So not really.
@@manfrombc5162 ibm,Microsoft, coca cola, Ford motors,ExxonMobil, Kellogg cereal,chevron,motorola,pepsi, holiday Inn general electric etc. Yea u giving up money to them one way or another
Sounds like the Saudis bought Shipnuck as well! 🙄
why? cause he's not mad about the money? the PGA was dealing with China before this, it's not like the PGA had clean hands
they did - he goes to every event - he is writing a book about it - he might as well be LIV official fluffer
@@pjpredhomme7699 golf reporter goes to golf event. news at 11
Shipnuck is a shipwreck. Half way laughing about this throughout the interview. Definitely not the smartest in any room.
I hope he makes the trip over the Ryadh and brings his Yamulke - I will be interested to see how much of a LIV honk he is then if he makes it back
Can the pga ask liv if we can get our gas prices lowered since our president sucks ?
No, golf fans did not win. I don’t need to see the LIV players. Golf has lost its sense of decency.
this is what it took... and not any of the PGA China deals?
HAHAHA PGA BLINKED. Shiphead is not but a hack
The world is just going to crap each day.. And this is just another example .. Terrible. So much for tradition etc. Terrible
Pro golf is dead!!!!
No trump golf!
Yes, Trump golf, the best golf...
See you in Bedminster!