I just shot a feature film with the S5. I shot into the Ninja V so I got Full Frame, 5.9k RAW Proress 422 at 12 bit all day long in hot temps and never had to think about the camera once. The image is pure poetry, same color science and the Varicam. I have shot Vari's and Alexas and Reds, etc, and this image stands up with the best of them. You cannot tell them apart in the edit except for the fact you have a full frame aesthetic which to my eye is much better than Super 35. Just two small issues, rolling shutter, you have got to be careful with action sequences in full frame, no fast pans, make the action come toward or away from the camera, and you will brake lots of micro HDMI cables unless you clamp them. The S5 (not the mk II) is simply the best bang for your buck out there, and even cheaper now because of the advent of the MK II. You literally have to spend 50k on an old Vari to get anywhere near the image out of this little monster. It is the same sensor as the S1H but you can have two of these for the same price. The S5II X looks like it might offer some redundancy back up in terms of internal codecs and the enhanced IBIS, just in case the Ronan takes a crap, but I would happily shoot my nest 2 or 3 films on the S5 and know I can get 5.9k RAW all day without worry. Important point for nubes: the "cinematic look" has nothing to do with the camera. If you point a 90k Alexa at a bag of laundry in the midday sun it is going to look like a bag of laundry in the midday sun. The "cinematic look' is all about composition, colors, lights, shapes, textures, the art department and the costume people working in concert around the color palette, all in front of the lens. It has very little to do with the camera apart from use of lenses, anamorphic, long lens compression, control of depth of field, etc, not the camera. Most medium price cameras today are good enough as long as your composition is right. Lastly, auto focus: I shot a wedding on the Sony A7 Mk III, it's supposed to have great auto focus, right? It fecking hunted right when the groom was putting the ring on the bride's finger. As a matter of filmmaking skill, but also as a caution, do not rely on any auto focus when someone is paying you for your work. Unless you are shooting youtube videos, box openings etc, take pride in deciding where the camera is focused, that is a major part of the art.
Oh 100% man. Autofocus is not for every shot especially at a wedding. But it's really nice to have especially on repeatable shots. I've been manually focussing for years and can do it whenever I need to but it's nice not to have to for some moments or to just be able to see a moment happening and hit record as you're bringing the camera to eye level and it's already locked on before you'd even have a chance to start manually focussing. It's clutch in those scenarios. I agree with most of what you were saying though. The original s5 is great.
@@RoryandCasey I think we are all delighted Panny have finally implemented phase detect, it's really great for the company and anyone who needs AF. I just didn't grow up with it. But we are totally spoiled with the cameras out there today. I remember dreaming about the Panny DVX 100! Happy shooting .
Absolutely right. I think that anyone doing paid work should be able to pull focus in any situation if the need arises! The af tech out there now is phenomenal though and it's only going to get better
This is wildly informative and helpful, cheers for all the effort put into this. I have been curious about some of the issues I've had and I'm glad to know I'm not alone!
Nice update from real life usage! In some future video would you be interested in explaining your process for setting ISO and white balance during weddings? Wedding pros seem to have some of the most challenging setups with awful mixed lighting, rapid changes in lighting, low ISO environment and then suddenly in high ISO environments, etc. THNX!
Thanks for watching! I actually did a video a little bit ago that had my methods for very quickly setting white balance which I use all the time at weddings. For ISO I try to stick to either 640 or 4000 but I'm happy to go higher than 4000 on the dance floor. I'm pretty happy with the image without noise reduction up to 12800 but will push to 51200 in a pinch but I know I'll need to clean that up in post. Ideally though I try to stick to the native ISO's
Great video, I just had my first professional shoot moving from Nikon on the S5 II, the start up time is crazy compared to my old Z6 II, to the point I sometimes think there is an issue.
Thanks for the review, I was set to buy the s5 when the leaks came out for the s5ii and decided to buy it and I'll finally get it in a couple weeks. I think the biggest endorsement is that you're willing to invest in a second one. I'm coming from a Canon 6d mk ii which maxed out at 1080/ 60 and had like 45 AF points, so this is a big upgrade for me.
@@RoryandCasey just got my s5ii, it's sooooo good. Even for stuff that I thought it would be basically on par at - like landscapes - it's actually better than my 6d mk ii. Better colors, better DR, etc. The video is gorgeous, the AF is a huge upgrade, and I love the build, ergonomics, evf, and everything about this camera.
Looking forward to picking one of these up as a B-Cam/Travel Cam. I currently shoot on a rigged out S1H, but it’s too heavy for travel. This would work great on a Ronin RS3 Mini. And for run-n-gun shooting it would save me a lot of time jumping from an A Cam with NinjaV Monitor, Manual Follow Focus, Rails, Wireless Transmitter, etc. to a compact S5iix with autofocus on the Mini gimbal with f1.8 Primes. 🙌🏽
Thanks for sharing your experience with the S5II Rory! Can I ask how you find the HDMI lag when using an external monitor? Has it bother you in any situation during a shoot?
If I was shooting fast moving subjects then the lag might be an issue but for what I shoot the lag is totally acceptable. It's slightly slower than the s5 but only very slightly
What is the difference between Auto-focus Continuous (AFC) and Auto-focus Single ( AFS)? .... My S5ii behaves in same way in both the modes? ... Also, in Human priority mode, it tracks human body, but if something e.g a shoulder or hand comes in the front, it will focus on the hand, even if the hand is not covering the face. This is one of the biggest drawback for keeping the face in focus.
Hi Rory, many thanks for another very instructing video, very useful for any S5II recent buyer like. I had already followed your setup video and taken a lot inspiration from it. I also really like your current video listing the + and the - of this camera and fully agreed to your points, in many cases you put on words somethings like slow time to switch on which I noticed but was still unclear. I very much like the gentle and factual way you highlight the required improvements, I hope that some of the Panasonic survey guys are reading your comments.... Looking forward on next videos ...
fingers crossed someone takes notice of some of these issues! Thanks for watching and the kind words too. I've tried doing the 'flashy' youtube thing in the past but honestly I enjoy just creating content that is going to help some people out without all the bells and whistles that other youtubers are doing... glad you enjoy the more basic laid back approach
Hey Dean! For basic run and gun doccos I think both would be fine. I haven’t tested the fx30 but I know the s5 ii would handle it. For more in depth documentary work though I’d probably be looking at something with beefier codecs and options like xlr or internal ND’s maybe like the C70 or fx6 or even an S1h with the xlr adapter.
Hey thank you for this great real world information on the S5ii ! :) Recommendation: add video chapters, so it is easier to click through the video straight to the most interesting parts. (also increases ctr)
Hi, I have just discovered that this camera doesn’t have a low-pass filter. So it creates easily moirè effects. Do you know anything about that? Thanks
Thanks for mentioning focus peaking. You're right. It's much better on the S5II, and it was horrible on the S1, the S1H---unusable. And it's great that we can now punch in while recording---a great new feature, that I loved in my Fuji X-T4. At least someone is concerned about those of us who love to manual focus to get more cinematic looks.
Thanks for the update! Considering this as my first camera as I plan on moving out of my editing suite and start shooting my own stuff. Which lens would you recommend as a starter? I'll be doing mostly documentary style shooting, focus on people and some sport (I've read this isn't the best camera for sports, but I don't think that's going to be a big issue for me). Also if you have suggestions for tripods, gimballs or steadycam solutions I'd love to hear them! Thanks again!
For doc work you honestly can't go wrong with a 24-70. It's versatile and provides an amazing image. I can shoot an entire wedding on that one lens. It's probably not going to be long enough for sports though where something like the sigma 100-400 will be better but it's a very specific lens for a specific use. As for other gear recommendations... I have another video going over all the gear I use in a wedding day and a lot of it is listed in this video's description 😊
Why would you turn off the camera in the middle of wedding ? I think it best not to miss the "moment" by have plenty of back batteries. That is what I do and never miss "moments" at weddings. Thank you.
I have the same problem as you and even the AF-C mode when starting to press the focus button is slower than other camera brands. Hopefully in the upcoming firmware update lumix will fix and add compressed and uncompressed RAW shooting modes to be able to choose for even higher image file quality. Lumix's image file is very beautiful and flattering. Hopefully panasonic listens and somehow they can fix these in a firmware fix. A sony alpha camera user like me from the a7m4 generation switched to lumix s5ii also because I want to experience the new things that the company brings, hope panasonic can improve its AF to remove the prejudice that the camera company has traditionally slow focus.
I just purchased two s5ii’s after owning an S1H and an S5. I film weddings and talking head videos so the autofocus alone was worth the switch. Also like that the s5ii doesn’t have a record limit. I’d be interested in seeing more s5ii wedding related content if that’s something you’d consider doing a video for. Would like to see the autofocus settings you use and how they perform. I know you touched on it on this video but a deep dive on the subject would be 👌. Thank you for all you do 🙏.
thanks for watching! I'll add those videos to my list of ideas! I'm going to try to make more videos this year! Yeah the lack of record limit for interviews is amazing. It doesn't bother me too much in weddings as most australian wedding ceremonies only go for about 20mins but it is nice to just keep rolling on speeches.
Honestly the biggest plus for the S5 ii is the autofocus. The biggest plus for the S1H is actually the AA filter which helps stop moire. You can't go wrong with either.
@@RoryandCasey Thanks for the reply. I’m switching from Z Cams with MF so having the AF in the S1 and S5 (that I now have) was beneficial mainly when using on a gimbal. I like the full control with MF so really trying to find reasons to go with S5ii since I also do weddings. What situations on a wedding do you find the AF most useful?
Do you notice a marked improvement with the EVF and LCD? I have a S5 and a S1. The S1 has a great EVF and I can manual focus with it. I find the S5's EVF to be it's weakest point along with the AF. It's just really hard to manual focus with it.
the EVF is definitely better. The LCD is supposed to be better but I hate the small screens so I don't notice a huge improvement... I prefer to use an external monitor. One great thing about the EVF for photos is that now that we have pdaf you dont get that horrible pulsing that can make you seasick
hi, really like waatch your honest opinion since i m thinking of buying another S-series camera. When you say you use a 35mm and 85mm you mean that you got the 85mm on a tripod and you have the 35mm on a gimbal or something? i m using zoom lenses (24-105 and 28-70) and i ve been considering a change to primes, thats why i m curius onm your set up. would love to see a video more dedicated to that mate , good day :)
I use a harness and carry the two bodies one with an 85 and the other 35 on that harness. When I need to use a gimbal I take the 35 off the harness and put it on the gimbal.
From what I’ve read online I think 1080 120P can be recorded with audio but not 150 or 180, can you confirm this is correct? And if you’ve ever used the microphone inside the s5ii, does it record any noise from the cooling fan? Thanks for this review
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Have had mine for a month an very much agree with all your points. For me the biggest positive coming from Sony is the IBIS, it just so buttery smooth. On the AF I would say it is reliable, you just have to be a bit more intentional with it, given certain situations, where as the Sony is more plug-and-play, but it’s not perfect either, and the manual focusing features are way better than Sony, so it kind’a balances out.
100% agree. I think once there are a couple of firmware updates though the af will be killer. The software tracked and wanted to grab the right face in the original s5 so if they can bring that over to af that is rock solid they are going to have a combo that honestly will do anything I could ever want!
oh really? I have been using syncroscan at 5.9k and it works fine. I'll go back and test at other resolutions and frame rates! I have two main issues with recording straight to my ninja. The biggest one is that you lose the ability to dual record which is huge for weddings. My other issue is that it is complete overkill for what I do. If I'm recording for a corporate job that might end up on broadcast TV then yeah I'll 100% be shooting prores raw on the Ninja, but for real estate, weddings, etc it's not worth the massive file sizes for me. Of course others might have a different opinion but I can only speak for my workflow.
I would say it's definitely worth it for the autofocus. I'm using the AF is so many scenarios where I wouldn't have before and it's letting me focus more on story telling and composition and worrying less about focus. It's not perfect but understanding it's limitations helps me know when to switch back to MF
For me the bad is the aggressive sharpening and detail smoothing compared to the S1 and S5. I crop a lot so I noticed this immediatly. Sure if you don't crop you can't see it in my opinion it's the main point of high resolution modes.
@@RoryandCasey Even when the NR is set at -5 there are still too much noise reduction and details filtering on the S5II (video)standard profiles, the difference is huge compared to the S5, I made some videos about the issue.
I think they perform very similarly. I'll be filming and posting a side by side comparison including some pixel peeping to really tell which one outperforms in the coming weeks so stay tuned.
@@RoryandCasey , thank you in advance! If possible, please include in your side-by-side comparison also a demonstration how easily the respective noise can be removed in post!
Hello. Thank you for your honest review! Would you recommend what the minimum variety of lens do I need as a somebody who wants to start filming weddings? I have already 50mm 1.8 prime and 85mm 1.8 prime. What else would you recommend to get as a beginner videographer? Thank you !
You could do a lot with what you have with a 50 and an 85. The main lenses I use during the day are a 35 and 85 but during ceremony and speeches I also use a 70-200 on one camera for those close up shots while being able to keep my distance. A good 24-70 is always useful too. If you had only one camera a 24-70 is the most versatile lens you can use
hello I will be buying s5ii I just wanted to know is it compatible wit DJI RS2 as I am not able to see on DJI website. did you photograph interiors with this how was the result and what lens will you suggest for interior photo and video
There's a couple of things that are not great and definitely need to be looked at by Panasonic's engineering team but nothing that can't be fixed with firmware
@@FrankJoseph911 haha I get that... TH-cam is a playground of clickbait and sponsored videos. I haven't used a sony camera in a long time. I've had associates shoot for me on sony in a few weddings over the last few years and the colours are not good. I'm not loyal to any brand, over the years I've shot panasonic, sony, canon, fuji, Nikon and for what I do with my workflow I've landed on and am very happy with Panasonic. I'm not at all sponsored, endorsed or given anything by panasonic, I just like their stuff (though if panasonic are reading this my inbox is always open)
@@RoryandCasey Okay. I watched it. You aren't overly harsh. Losing AF in 6k was widely reported BEFORE the February release. Now, I don't know if it was marketed to you BEFORE that .... but the general public knew before the sales launch.
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@@RoryandCasey Thats all good i decided to go with the sony a7siii just because of the 4k 60 no crop and better low light, do you think its a good choice?
@@edi18912 Honestly you can't go wrong with any of the new cameras. They all have their positives and negatives. I'm sure you'll be happy with the Sony for years to come!
Have to mostly disagree with your disappointments for professional use. 4k 120+ is still very niche and not necessary for 99% of professional users. 240 less useful again. Even 4k 60 for most professional users is more of a niche setting and a crop doesn't bother me for the small amount I need to use it. The lenses definitely are not as broad as Sony or canon but that is changing over time.
still mft here, I am looking to upgrade from gh5 and bpcc4K? S5 II, or should I go for GH6? Lenses is the problem... Also I shoot everything in log/BRAW. Is the S5 II OK for skin tones compared to blackmagic/canon/sony?
If you're heavily invested in MFT lenses and you don't need autofocus then the gh6 is a beast of a camera you can't go wrong with it. S5 will have better low light performance and better autofocus.
@@RoryandCasey thank you for your answer. Even without (useable) continuous autofocus, GH6 still seems impressive! Though, there are a lot of used cinema camera's on the market today...
About 3 seconds. But that’s only after it’s been switched off….when you’ve been using it but leave it switched on but don’t use it for a while it goes to sleep, but starts immediately when touching the shutter button.
I can confirm the S5II is less sharp, it uses more sharpening by default and more noise reduction with most profiles, low light details look mushy compared to the S5, almost like the 4K is upscaled from a lower resolution. I made some videos about this issue. V-Log is better but not the best profile for low light.
If Sony want to send me one I’d be more than happy to! I could only compare based on the stats sheet and the fact the new Sony only has a single card slot is enough for me to rule it out without looking any further.
@@RoryandCasey ohhk.. sorry my bad. But you have put a nice video about S5M2. I was thinking to buy it (coming from fuji). But I would rather wait for 4K 60 no crop. Is there anything coming like S1M2 or S1HM2
I know exactly what you know! I haven't heard any rumours yet but it would make sense that something would be in the pipeline. 4k 60 full frame isn't a deal breaker for me. I think people get too caught up in the full frame 'look'. Have to remember most cinema cameras are still s35
@@RoryandCasey what’s you thought on S5M2X? If you can make a video about the improvements should be done in X-model, that would be great. Hopefully Panasonic guys, listen to you and make improvements. 🙏
Has anyone seen an official statement about the autofocus not working in the modes you mentioned? I think if they mess this one up it would really harm their image as a company :(.
I just shot a feature film with the S5. I shot into the Ninja V so I got Full Frame, 5.9k RAW Proress 422 at 12 bit all day long in hot temps and never had to think about the camera once. The image is pure poetry, same color science and the Varicam. I have shot Vari's and Alexas and Reds, etc, and this image stands up with the best of them. You cannot tell them apart in the edit except for the fact you have a full frame aesthetic which to my eye is much better than Super 35. Just two small issues, rolling shutter, you have got to be careful with action sequences in full frame, no fast pans, make the action come toward or away from the camera, and you will brake lots of micro HDMI cables unless you clamp them. The S5 (not the mk II) is simply the best bang for your buck out there, and even cheaper now because of the advent of the MK II. You literally have to spend 50k on an old Vari to get anywhere near the image out of this little monster. It is the same sensor as the S1H but you can have two of these for the same price. The S5II X looks like it might offer some redundancy back up in terms of internal codecs and the enhanced IBIS, just in case the Ronan takes a crap, but I would happily shoot my nest 2 or 3 films on the S5 and know I can get 5.9k RAW all day without worry. Important point for nubes: the "cinematic look" has nothing to do with the camera. If you point a 90k Alexa at a bag of laundry in the midday sun it is going to look like a bag of laundry in the midday sun. The "cinematic look' is all about composition, colors, lights, shapes, textures, the art department and the costume people working in concert around the color palette, all in front of the lens. It has very little to do with the camera apart from use of lenses, anamorphic, long lens compression, control of depth of field, etc, not the camera. Most medium price cameras today are good enough as long as your composition is right. Lastly, auto focus: I shot a wedding on the Sony A7 Mk III, it's supposed to have great auto focus, right? It fecking hunted right when the groom was putting the ring on the bride's finger. As a matter of filmmaking skill, but also as a caution, do not rely on any auto focus when someone is paying you for your work. Unless you are shooting youtube videos, box openings etc, take pride in deciding where the camera is focused, that is a major part of the art.
Oh 100% man. Autofocus is not for every shot especially at a wedding. But it's really nice to have especially on repeatable shots. I've been manually focussing for years and can do it whenever I need to but it's nice not to have to for some moments or to just be able to see a moment happening and hit record as you're bringing the camera to eye level and it's already locked on before you'd even have a chance to start manually focussing. It's clutch in those scenarios.
I agree with most of what you were saying though. The original s5 is great.
@@RoryandCasey I think we are all delighted Panny have finally implemented phase detect, it's really great for the company and anyone who needs AF. I just didn't grow up with it. But we are totally spoiled with the cameras out there today. I remember dreaming about the Panny DVX 100! Happy shooting .
Absolutely right. I think that anyone doing paid work should be able to pull focus in any situation if the need arises!
The af tech out there now is phenomenal though and it's only going to get better
Sony A7M3 is a 5 years old camera tho. The newer models have much improved autofocus.
This is wildly informative and helpful, cheers for all the effort put into this. I have been curious about some of the issues I've had and I'm glad to know I'm not alone!
Thank you! and thanks for watching!
Nice update from real life usage! In some future video would you be interested in explaining your process for setting ISO and white balance during weddings? Wedding pros seem to have some of the most challenging setups with awful mixed lighting, rapid changes in lighting, low ISO environment and then suddenly in high ISO environments, etc. THNX!
Thanks for watching! I actually did a video a little bit ago that had my methods for very quickly setting white balance which I use all the time at weddings. For ISO I try to stick to either 640 or 4000 but I'm happy to go higher than 4000 on the dance floor. I'm pretty happy with the image without noise reduction up to 12800 but will push to 51200 in a pinch but I know I'll need to clean that up in post. Ideally though I try to stick to the native ISO's
@@RoryandCasey Ha! I even watched that video so boo on me for forgetting...
@@judsonbertoch7928 haha it's all good! always happy to help!
Great video, I just had my first professional shoot moving from Nikon on the S5 II, the start up time is crazy compared to my old Z6 II, to the point I sometimes think there is an issue.
I still use my z6. The bouring thing is that I need to use the ninja v for video.
Are you happy with the S5ii?
Thanks for the review, I was set to buy the s5 when the leaks came out for the s5ii and decided to buy it and I'll finally get it in a couple weeks. I think the biggest endorsement is that you're willing to invest in a second one.
I'm coming from a Canon 6d mk ii which maxed out at 1080/ 60 and had like 45 AF points, so this is a big upgrade for me.
oh compared to the 6d it's going to be night and day difference for you!
@@RoryandCasey i made a preorder on the s5iix am coming from the original 7d , would i feel the upgrade?
It's going to be a massive difference! The 7d can't even compete.
@@RoryandCasey just got my s5ii, it's sooooo good. Even for stuff that I thought it would be basically on par at - like landscapes - it's actually better than my 6d mk ii. Better colors, better DR, etc. The video is gorgeous, the AF is a huge upgrade, and I love the build, ergonomics, evf, and everything about this camera.
Thanks for the video Rory. Always good to hear real world experience.
thanks for watching!
Mate I love your videos !!! Was tossing up what camera to get and you have helped so much ! Thank you ❤
Glad I could help!
Looking forward to picking one of these up as a B-Cam/Travel Cam.
I currently shoot on a rigged out S1H, but it’s too heavy for travel. This would work great on a Ronin RS3 Mini. And for run-n-gun shooting it would save me a lot of time jumping from an A Cam with NinjaV Monitor, Manual Follow Focus, Rails, Wireless Transmitter, etc. to a compact S5iix with autofocus on the Mini gimbal with f1.8 Primes. 🙌🏽
Oh yeah that would be an awesome combo!
Thanks for sharing your experience with the S5II Rory! Can I ask how you find the HDMI lag when using an external monitor? Has it bother you in any situation during a shoot?
If I was shooting fast moving subjects then the lag might be an issue but for what I shoot the lag is totally acceptable. It's slightly slower than the s5 but only very slightly
What is the difference between Auto-focus Continuous (AFC) and Auto-focus Single (
AFS)? .... My S5ii behaves in same way in both the modes? ... Also, in Human priority mode, it tracks human body, but if something e.g a shoulder or hand comes in the front, it will focus on the hand, even if the hand is not covering the face. This is one of the biggest drawback for keeping the face in focus.
Salamat Pagi. Thanks Rory.
Great points to be aware of! I was holding out for th S5IIx and passed on this version.
Hi Rory, many thanks for another very instructing video, very useful for any S5II recent buyer like. I had already followed your setup video and taken a lot inspiration from it. I also really like your current video listing the + and the - of this camera and fully agreed to your points, in many cases you put on words somethings like slow time to switch on which I noticed but was still unclear.
I very much like the gentle and factual way you highlight the required improvements, I hope that some of the Panasonic survey guys are reading your comments.... Looking forward on next videos ...
fingers crossed someone takes notice of some of these issues! Thanks for watching and the kind words too. I've tried doing the 'flashy' youtube thing in the past but honestly I enjoy just creating content that is going to help some people out without all the bells and whistles that other youtubers are doing... glad you enjoy the more basic laid back approach
Very helpful friend. Thanks!
Agree that the loss of detection modes with an HDMI monitor is a HUGE issue. It was very misleading in how that was advertised
My hope is that it will follow in a future firmware update.
Rory can you suggest me for documentary filmmaking. Fx30 or s5ii?
Hey Dean! For basic run and gun doccos I think both would be fine. I haven’t tested the fx30 but I know the s5 ii would handle it. For more in depth documentary work though I’d probably be looking at something with beefier codecs and options like xlr or internal ND’s maybe like the C70 or fx6 or even an S1h with the xlr adapter.
@@RoryandCasey is fx3 worth the price?
@@deanyau Honestly mate I couldn't tell you as I haven't used it.
Hey thank you for this great real world information on the S5ii ! :) Recommendation: add video chapters, so it is easier to click through the video straight to the most interesting parts. (also increases ctr)
Thanks mate! Yes you're right I just forgot to add the chapters in!
@@RoryandCasey oh okay great!
Hi, I have just discovered that this camera doesn’t have a low-pass filter. So it creates easily moirè effects. Do you know anything about that? Thanks
Yep. It’s not uncommon in these type of cameras. In the S series on the S1H has an AA filter.
Thanks for mentioning focus peaking. You're right. It's much better on the S5II, and it was horrible on the S1, the S1H---unusable. And it's great that we can now punch in while recording---a great new feature, that I loved in my Fuji X-T4.
At least someone is concerned about those of us who love to manual focus to get more cinematic looks.
Thanks for the update! Considering this as my first camera as I plan on moving out of my editing suite and start shooting my own stuff. Which lens would you recommend as a starter? I'll be doing mostly documentary style shooting, focus on people and some sport (I've read this isn't the best camera for sports, but I don't think that's going to be a big issue for me). Also if you have suggestions for tripods, gimballs or steadycam solutions I'd love to hear them! Thanks again!
For doc work you honestly can't go wrong with a 24-70. It's versatile and provides an amazing image. I can shoot an entire wedding on that one lens. It's probably not going to be long enough for sports though where something like the sigma 100-400 will be better but it's a very specific lens for a specific use.
As for other gear recommendations... I have another video going over all the gear I use in a wedding day and a lot of it is listed in this video's description 😊
What AF settings are you using when it grabs the arm instead of the face?
To lock the focus, press the shutter button halfway and the yellow box will become green.
Thanx my G!!
Glad you found it helpful!
The problem with focusing on arm instead of face when hugging. Could this be solved by using face/eye subject tracking instead of human?
Why would you turn off the camera in the middle of wedding ? I think it best not to miss the "moment" by have plenty of back batteries. That is what I do and never miss "moments" at weddings. Thank you.
Very good review and very helpful. Appreciate 🙂
I guess it was always habit as the original s5 was on by the time I raised it up. Can’t do that anymore with the s5ii
I have the same problem as you and even the AF-C mode when starting to press the focus button is slower than other camera brands. Hopefully in the upcoming firmware update lumix will fix and add compressed and uncompressed RAW shooting modes to be able to choose for even higher image file quality. Lumix's image file is very beautiful and flattering. Hopefully panasonic listens and somehow they can fix these in a firmware fix. A sony alpha camera user like me from the a7m4 generation switched to lumix s5ii also because I want to experience the new things that the company brings, hope panasonic can improve its AF to remove the prejudice that the camera company has traditionally slow focus.
any updates ?
I just purchased two s5ii’s after owning an S1H and an S5. I film weddings and talking head videos so the autofocus alone was worth the switch. Also like that the s5ii doesn’t have a record limit. I’d be interested in seeing more s5ii wedding related content if that’s something you’d consider doing a video for. Would like to see the autofocus settings you use and how they perform. I know you touched on it on this video but a deep dive on the subject would be 👌. Thank you for all you do 🙏.
thanks for watching! I'll add those videos to my list of ideas! I'm going to try to make more videos this year!
Yeah the lack of record limit for interviews is amazing. It doesn't bother me too much in weddings as most australian wedding ceremonies only go for about 20mins but it is nice to just keep rolling on speeches.
I’m considering buying a used S1H instead of the S5ii. What do you miss or think the S1H does better than the S5ii?
Honestly the biggest plus for the S5 ii is the autofocus. The biggest plus for the S1H is actually the AA filter which helps stop moire. You can't go wrong with either.
@@RoryandCasey Thanks for the reply. I’m switching from Z Cams with MF so having the AF in the S1 and S5 (that I now have) was beneficial mainly when using on a gimbal. I like the full control with MF so really trying to find reasons to go with S5ii since I also do weddings. What situations on a wedding do you find the AF most useful?
If I film myself playing guitar will it be able to focus on my face and hands,guitar at the same time? 🥲
Does human detect auto focus work in 6k open gate?Human detect is only available on mine at 4k.
Do you notice a marked improvement with the EVF and LCD? I have a S5 and a S1. The S1 has a great EVF and I can manual focus with it. I find the S5's EVF to be it's weakest point along with the AF. It's just really hard to manual focus with it.
the EVF is definitely better. The LCD is supposed to be better but I hate the small screens so I don't notice a huge improvement... I prefer to use an external monitor. One great thing about the EVF for photos is that now that we have pdaf you dont get that horrible pulsing that can make you seasick
Batteries recently sucks. Comparing to GH4 it’s like night and day.
hi, really like waatch your honest opinion since i m thinking of buying another S-series camera. When you say you use a 35mm and 85mm you mean that you got the 85mm on a tripod and you have the 35mm on a gimbal or something? i m using zoom lenses (24-105 and 28-70) and i ve been considering a change to primes, thats why i m curius onm your set up. would love to see a video more dedicated to that mate , good day :)
I use a harness and carry the two bodies one with an 85 and the other 35 on that harness. When I need to use a gimbal I take the 35 off the harness and put it on the gimbal.
During the actual ceremony everything is on tripods and monopods
From what I’ve read online I think 1080 120P can be recorded with audio but not 150 or 180, can you confirm this is correct? And if you’ve ever used the microphone inside the s5ii, does it record any noise from the cooling fan? Thanks for this review
muchas gracias you win a suscritor , love review like this . very pro and I can see you now what you talking about and this is very important more for the TH-cam hahahah . thank you
Have had mine for a month an very much agree with all your points. For me the biggest positive coming from Sony is the IBIS, it just so buttery smooth. On the AF I would say it is reliable, you just have to be a bit more intentional with it, given certain situations, where as the Sony is more plug-and-play, but it’s not perfect either, and the manual focusing features are way better than Sony, so it kind’a balances out.
100% agree. I think once there are a couple of firmware updates though the af will be killer. The software tracked and wanted to grab the right face in the original s5 so if they can bring that over to af that is rock solid they are going to have a combo that honestly will do anything I could ever want!
@@RoryandCasey I pray firmware gives us 5.9k at 48fps or 60fps lol 😂
Recording on Atomos ninja would solve some issues except Af .only some modes work w syncro scan i think. Great Review. Thank you
oh really? I have been using syncroscan at 5.9k and it works fine. I'll go back and test at other resolutions and frame rates!
I have two main issues with recording straight to my ninja. The biggest one is that you lose the ability to dual record which is huge for weddings. My other issue is that it is complete overkill for what I do. If I'm recording for a corporate job that might end up on broadcast TV then yeah I'll 100% be shooting prores raw on the Ninja, but for real estate, weddings, etc it's not worth the massive file sizes for me. Of course others might have a different opinion but I can only speak for my workflow.
Sounds good . Intresting. Thank you
you can lock the focus pressing shutter button halfway . Have you tried this ? o still having problems with AF ?
Would you say the autofocus is still worth the upgrade? I’m using the original S5 for weddings and by the sound of it you still can’t rely on it?
I would say it's definitely worth it for the autofocus. I'm using the AF is so many scenarios where I wouldn't have before and it's letting me focus more on story telling and composition and worrying less about focus. It's not perfect but understanding it's limitations helps me know when to switch back to MF
For me the bad is the aggressive sharpening and detail smoothing compared to the S1 and S5. I crop a lot so I noticed this immediatly. Sure if you don't crop you can't see it in my opinion it's the main point of high resolution modes.
You can turn all that down though but I agree. Most new cameras are over sharpened.
@@RoryandCasey Even when the NR is set at -5 there are still too much noise reduction and details filtering on the S5II (video)standard profiles, the difference is huge compared to the S5, I made some videos about the issue.
Which camera do you think performs better in low light, the S5m1 or the S5m2?!
I think they perform very similarly. I'll be filming and posting a side by side comparison including some pixel peeping to really tell which one outperforms in the coming weeks so stay tuned.
@@RoryandCasey , thank you in advance! If possible, please include in your side-by-side comparison also a demonstration how easily the respective noise can be removed in post!
Hello. Thank you for your honest review! Would you recommend what the minimum variety of lens do I need as a somebody who wants to start filming weddings? I have already 50mm 1.8 prime and 85mm 1.8 prime. What else would you recommend to get as a beginner videographer? Thank you !
You could do a lot with what you have with a 50 and an 85. The main lenses I use during the day are a 35 and 85 but during ceremony and speeches I also use a 70-200 on one camera for those close up shots while being able to keep my distance. A good 24-70 is always useful too. If you had only one camera a 24-70 is the most versatile lens you can use
@@RoryandCasey thank you 🙏
hello I will be buying s5ii I just wanted to know is it compatible wit DJI RS2 as I am not able to see on DJI website. did you photograph interiors with this how was the result and what lens will you suggest for interior photo and video
did that slow startup ever get resolved in firmware update? I have one coming Sunday and was curious.
I haven’t watched this video…. YET.
I will. But I cannot imagine much will be bad. Certainly not seriously wrong or bad. I expect.
There's a couple of things that are not great and definitely need to be looked at by Panasonic's engineering team but nothing that can't be fixed with firmware
@@RoryandCasey Let me watch your video now. I'm imagining you are a SONY honk who is pimping their shit. I'll watch and we shall see.
@@FrankJoseph911 haha I get that... TH-cam is a playground of clickbait and sponsored videos. I haven't used a sony camera in a long time. I've had associates shoot for me on sony in a few weddings over the last few years and the colours are not good. I'm not loyal to any brand, over the years I've shot panasonic, sony, canon, fuji, Nikon and for what I do with my workflow I've landed on and am very happy with Panasonic.
I'm not at all sponsored, endorsed or given anything by panasonic, I just like their stuff (though if panasonic are reading this my inbox is always open)
@@RoryandCasey Okay. I watched it. You aren't overly harsh. Losing AF in 6k was widely reported BEFORE the February release. Now, I don't know if it was marketed to you BEFORE that .... but the general public knew before the sales launch.
Yeah I don't want to be harsh. There's a few annoying things but I feel like panny can fix most of it in firmware.
Ive also had the same monitor issue
You should see how “fast” is Sony VENICE when you power it ON :)))
Did you already try ActiveTrack 3.0 without RavenEye?
can you send me a link so i can see your realestate videos you shot with the s5ii please mate
Hey mate! About 4-5 months ago I actually shut down the real estate component of my business purely because I was getting too busy with other projects. Those houses have long since sold so the listings aren't available anymore unfortunately. If you get in touch via our instagram I can send you a few links for examples that are unlisted videos.
@@RoryandCasey Thats all good i decided to go with the sony a7siii just because of the 4k 60 no crop and better low light, do you think its a good choice?
@@edi18912 Honestly you can't go wrong with any of the new cameras. They all have their positives and negatives. I'm sure you'll be happy with the Sony for years to come!
I have the first Gen model. It gets the job done.
Disappointed in the mk2. NO 4K 120. No FHD 240.
A crop at 4K 60?? No lenses for this system.
Have to mostly disagree with your disappointments for professional use. 4k 120+ is still very niche and not necessary for 99% of professional users. 240 less useful again.
Even 4k 60 for most professional users is more of a niche setting and a crop doesn't bother me for the small amount I need to use it.
The lenses definitely are not as broad as Sony or canon but that is changing over time.
still mft here, I am looking to upgrade from gh5 and bpcc4K? S5 II, or should I go for GH6? Lenses is the problem... Also I shoot everything in log/BRAW. Is the S5 II OK for skin tones compared to blackmagic/canon/sony?
If you're heavily invested in MFT lenses and you don't need autofocus then the gh6 is a beast of a camera you can't go wrong with it. S5 will have better low light performance and better autofocus.
@@RoryandCasey thank you for your answer. Even without (useable) continuous autofocus, GH6 still seems impressive! Though, there are a lot of used cinema camera's on the market today...
what memory card did you use for s5ii to take and record 4k video
Have you noticed any moire in your videos shooting with this camera?
I between 6k pro black magic or s5llx , wich camera is better in quality for music videos weddings and comerciales ,
Both are great cameras but both are very different. If I had both I’d take the s5 to weddings and the black magic to music video and commercials.
How many seconds does it take to start up?
About 3 seconds. But that’s only after it’s been switched off….when you’ve been using it but leave it switched on but don’t use it for a while it goes to sleep, but starts immediately when touching the shutter button.
Can you confirm the 4K footage out of S5 m2 is slightly less sharp than out of S5 m1?!
I haven't noticed that to be honest. If you noticed it you'd really have to be pixel peeping. I'm not seeing any difference generally.
I can confirm the S5II is less sharp, it uses more sharpening by default and more noise reduction with most profiles, low light details look mushy compared to the S5, almost like the 4K is upscaled from a lower resolution. I made some videos about this issue. V-Log is better but not the best profile for low light.
So, how many seconds is the startup time?
I'll time it after Easter and let you know!
synchroscan
Synchroscan is amazing but really not that new for Panasonic. They dropped the ball by not having it in the s5 but the S1h and even the gh5 had it
Can you compare to new Sony zv e1?
If Sony want to send me one I’d be more than happy to! I could only compare based on the stats sheet and the fact the new Sony only has a single card slot is enough for me to rule it out without looking any further.
@@RoryandCasey can you use lumix s5ii as a webcam in 4k? Without something like a cam link?
I’m not 100% sure I haven’t tried! If you can find it in the specs then you should be able to
I just noticed you are using color lab AI.. 😃
That's actually Davinci open on my laptop in the background. The UI is very similar though from what I've seen.
@@RoryandCasey ohhk.. sorry my bad. But you have put a nice video about S5M2. I was thinking to buy it (coming from fuji). But I would rather wait for 4K 60 no crop. Is there anything coming like S1M2 or S1HM2
I know exactly what you know! I haven't heard any rumours yet but it would make sense that something would be in the pipeline. 4k 60 full frame isn't a deal breaker for me. I think people get too caught up in the full frame 'look'. Have to remember most cinema cameras are still s35
@@RoryandCasey true.. 👍
@@RoryandCasey what’s you thought on S5M2X? If you can make a video about the improvements should be done in X-model, that would be great. Hopefully Panasonic guys, listen to you and make improvements. 🙏
Has anyone seen an official statement about the autofocus not working in the modes you mentioned? I think if they mess this one up it would really harm their image as a company :(.
I haven't seen anything official. I know panasonic are aware of it. My hope is that they address it in future firmware.
What about face eye af? Would that keep it from locking on to an arm
It might but I don't really want to be constantly switching af modes during the day at a wedding.