R Brown, did you try the microadjustment? It´s on the top burr, locked by the lever. You can make it coarser (increasing the number, it´s 1-10) or fine. Give a try!
Your videos will be of great help to a lot of people with these machines. I began tinkering with my broken secondhand machine about a year ago, the issues it had are too numerous to mention here in one comment! Thankfully all are currently resolved and it is working perfectly. One issue I had was my grind was way too course even on setting 1. I had to flip up the smaller white cog under the dial and move the large cog about three teeth along to recalibrate the grind parameters. It now gives me the range i need to get a good grind. I would say to anybody maybe attempting this, ensure to not go too fine or the burrs could touch. You are not really missing much not having the adjustable upper burr. I have found it's range almost negligible so far.
Good information on the newer grinder and it's new adjustment mechanism. I suppose if my grinder were to wear out, it could be replaced with a newer model grinder as all that fine adjustment mechanism is inside the unit.
@@darrenwatton2650 This is excellent news ! I have just purchased what seems to be an older version and setting 1 is too course. So your comment heartens me & I will now investigate purchasing that part. Thank you 🙏
Thanks for the video. My machine all of a sudden started making weird noise which sounded like the burrs are tight on each other. I opened both bottom and top burrs cleaned them. Didn’t get fixed! One strange thing I see is that when I lock the top burr I have to do it only at highest coarse size and even when it’s locked the knob becomes very tight to turn to lower numbers ( even getting to number 12!) . Still I hear the same sound. ( I don’t have coffee beans in the system while I am testing) When I remove top burr, I can easily turn the knob and no issues. I feel Somehow there is something that makes the top burrs so tight when I put it in. I see you have spent a good amount of effort to learn the mechanisms, do you have any idea what could be the issue of my machine?
I've not dug into my grinder that far, but maybe something got jammed. It could be some coffee grounds stuck under the lower burr or the adjustment mechanism and is preventing it from dropping. Might contact Breville support to see if they have any ideas. I believe a new grinder is still available in case yours is not fixable.
Hi there I hope you can help ? my sage barista is only grinding very coarse, no matter what I turn the dial to. . Do you know why this could be please? Thank you so much
@@connieloveshp8250 Check that the adjustment mechanism goes up and down like shown in the video. It may be there's coffee grounds stuck below the part that moves up and down. And, try this grinder cleaning: th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html and see if anything is stuck inside preventing the movable burr from moving. And if you have a newer model machine with the adjustable burr in the grinder, try adjusting that.
"As the grinder wears, the coffee will get coarser and coarser." Bingo! This is what I'm experiencing with my 870XL. It's 4 1/2 years old now and I've noticed I'm maxed out at the fine end of the adjustment knob. I came here to get an idea of how things look inside. Gonna have to open mine up. I just assumed the grinding burrs have worn. But perhaps there's something loose. The top nut perhaps? Or if my machine has additional adjustment inside, then I should be set. I also purchased some "burr grinder cleaner" about a year ago. Still haven't used it. Perhaps that should be my first assault and see how it does. Either way, thank you so much for posting!
Good idea to check inside for any obvious signs or wear and anything loose. Should be clear if you have the adjustable burr type grinder, mine is old enough to not have that. There was also a comment in this video from someone who mentioned it might be possible to re-index the grinder on the adjustment mechanism and/or clean it out underneath if that's part of the issue.
I've never run into that situation. You might try using something like a screwdriver to try and rotate the top burr back and forth and see if that'll free it up enough to remove. I do something similar when I remove mine, see the grinder cleaning video in this playlist. I find I need to rock it back and forth with the bail a number of times until it starts to move. It won't feel like anything is happening at first, but keep turning it back and forth until you feel is start to move. You don't want to use excessive force and break something. Instead, gradually increase the pressure as you get a feel for how much you can use without breaking something.
@@The4Crawler unfortunately the wiggling didn't work :( I can't see what you meant by using a screwdriver. Do you put it between the stainless steel ring to use as a leaver?
@@dodadodo25 You probably don't want to use it as a lever in that ring as that will likely snap off. Just see if you can work it around the sides and loosen up anything that might be holding it in position. That burr needs to rotate a bit to unlock.
Great job. Very interesting and shows you have a real grasp on the technical. I don't have to take mine apart now! And, 1 is fine is the best thing to remember if you're looking to adjust... Did you know that sour is too coarse or too little and bitter is too fine or too much? Also, too tamped can make it bitter - while not tamped enough can make it sour... The internal fine tune is very easy to deal with if you take out the top burr...
Great information on fine tuning the grind settings. I think the internal fine tuning feature in the grinder was only on the later machines. Mine is lacking that adjustable top burr. Although, if I were to replace the grinder with a new one, I would pick up that feature.
My barista grinder stops grinder after grinding small amount & needs to keep my hand on button to continue grinding , what would be the cause of this please ?
I've never run into that problem myself. Could be the Grind Amount dial has a bad connection to the main controller board. Might try resetting the machine by unplugging it for a while. Or contact Breville support and see if they have any troubleshooting ideas.
I was in my machine trying to fix a leak then accidentally knocked this and messed it up. I disassembled (the gears) and tried to reassemble it but I don’t see it moving the burr like in this video, despite the gear turning around the center black piece. Do you have any videos where you take this piece apart and reassemble?
I've never torn mine apart more than in this video. I did disassemble and clean the burrs in the grinder in this video: th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=GWmTPuYVNv9TPldy You might want to contact Breville support and ask if they have any detailed assembly information on that part. And a replacement grinder assembly is also available if you can't get yours working.
Hello mate! my breville machine grinder have problem, whenever i grind, nothing comes out so i tried deep cleaning it by removing the screws etc2. and still nothing comeouts, everything just get stuck in the grinder.
It sounds like the chute below the grinder is getting plugged. Did you clean that out when you worked on the grinder: th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html Might be due to a flavored or very oily coffee bean, maybe try different beans and see if that works any better. If it plugs up right away, try running it for just a short time, then open up the grinder and see what is getting plugged up first.
Never tried but likely possible. Hoeever, finding a replacement might be hard. I do believe they sell a replacement grinder module that can be swapped out.
I saw in the comments that few people had same issue that when you setting the wheel on coarser and coarser but coffee is still fine. I did fix it! You need to disassemble the grinder by removing wheel with grinding level (numbers) and pull up another big gear like part and clean under. There is markings on the wheels so you put it back right way and everything works fine. Issue occurred on long term when we grind coffee and coffee dust start building under the stationary wheel and start pushing closer and closer so coffee grind start being finer and finer.
This tip ultimately helped me really get my grind size range of motion back to a fully functional state. There was quite a bit of dust impacted up under the larger gear. I used the stock cleaning brush, some tapping and a vacuum to clear it all out.
My grinder setting selector moves itself during the grinding process. I opened the machine and what holds the selector gear in a specific setting/number is just friction. Have you ever seen this?
Have not seen that myself. It could be there's coffee grounds under or in the adjusting mechanism that's preventing that adjuster from staying in place. On my (older) machine, there's what feels like a spring loaded detent on the adjustment dial that holds it in place.
@@The4Crawler no spring on mine. I cleaned everything and still do the same. There is a plastic gear under the selector…that gear is inserted into another plastic. Must be that the plastic has wearing…therefore less friction. I would love to share the video here but I don’t I can’t on YT. I don’t think they make much parts for the bes860xl anymore. I’m thinking of increasing the friction with a through small bolt.
@@engrxtn Don't have any 860 experience, that series might be a little different. If friction is the mechanism, then something to increase the friction may work. If you can upload your video to something like Google photos or Dropbox, etc. I could grab it and upload to TH-cam if you want. Would be a good problem and potential fix for 860 owners.
@@engrxtn Yes, looks like whatever is holding that dial is worn out and letting it slip. On the 870 model, there's a distinct click as you go from number to number. Maybe Breville added that detent to prevent the issue you're seeing.
Hello Mr. Brown...I have a Breville Barista Express, I did the deep cleaning on the grinder, but when I push the portafilter against the push button for grind it does nothing, any idea what it could be?? Thanks
I would guess that there's an issue with the switch at the back of the grinder. Maybe it's clogged with coffee grounds or maybe the wiring connector behind it has loosened up and is no longer making a connection. If you push the switch in with your finger, do you hear it click as it goes all the way in? If not, something is preventing it from closing. If it does click, then the wiring is the likely issue.
My Breville 870XL (purchased 2013) was finicky. My unit’s grind fineness/coarseness knob had to be set very low (fine) and my grind amount knob had to be set very low (not that the amount was low - the knob wasn’t well calibrated). If I wanted good espresso could never touch these knobs. I could tell if I was going to get a wonderful or dud espresso just by watching the pressure gauge during extraction. Thanks for the video.
Yes, agree that the grinder settings are finicky. Always cracks me up when a viewer will ask what grinder setting and amount numbers they should use for brand XYZ coffee beans.
@@The4Crawler Excellent point. Anyone reading this who has already or planned to ask where you should set the coarseness knob and grind amount knob - I wish it were calibrated so that was possible. Your knobs are a mile off from my knobs and any other Breville. Now, the DIGITAL settings ARE calibrated machine to machine. Obviously 205-degree water shouldn’t vary machine to machine. And I leave you with - the best espresso (on Earth) comes from Intelligentsia Coffee!
I fixed my machine and can’t close the lid. Thanks to your video, I turned the dial to finest thinking that was the issue. Unfortunately, it still won’t close. Any suggestions?
Have you noticed that the grinding amount has decreased over the years. I am wondering if the grinder motor spins slower now and grinds less. I have mine set for double and the "Grind Amount" set to the highest. Even then I sometimes still will grind another1-2 seconds to get the amount I need to keep the pressure up.
Yes, that does seem to happen. Probably somewhat due to wear in the burrs. Also, worth doing the advanced grinder cleaning: th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html Over time, the outlet passage can get clogged up and that limits how much ground coffee can pass through in the time set by the amount knob.
Hi there, I have the 860 but older model than yours . Mine has the finest grinds on the higher number, finest is 15 and 2 is coarsest. Anyway, my grind is the same, 15 or 2? don't know how to fix this?
Could be the grinder needs internal cleaning: th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html If that doesn't help, maybe some other viewers may have a suggestion.
Hello, Great video, very informative. Thank you. My Breville Barista Express stopped grinding. It sounds like a jet engine. I cleaned the grinder and put them back. when there is no coffee beans it rotates ok, but when I put coffee beans the rotation stopes and sounds like a jet engine again and stops rotating. I also changed the adjustment dial level and changed the coffee beans, but no change. How can I clean the chute?
This video goes into a full or advanced grinder cleaning process as Breville calls it: th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html Might also contact Breville support and see if they have any troubleshooting information. It sounds as if something may not be fully engaging in the grinder mechanism and causing it to slip when there's a load on the grinder, when the coffee beans are added.
I saw a video saying making it fine would damage the burrs. But u thought this should be common sense for manufacturer to account for this and design it so it couldn't touch. What do you think?
That would be the case in the extreme if your adjustment made the burrs contact each other. On my machine, I can go from full fine to full coarse with no contact. But if you start hearing a metal on metal grating noise, then you've gone too fine.
@The4Crawler thanks for the reply. I was messing with the inner burr setting default 6. I turn to 3/fine makes wierd sound same for 5,4,3. Making the same noise at same exact outter wheel setting. I don't know why that is.
@@seek3n You might have the newer model grinder with the extra set of internal adjustments. My grinder is the older one with just the external grinder setting wheel. I don't have any experience with that style grinder, but yes, you may be able to adjust that to the point the burrs make contact. I believe those adjustments are meant to compensate for wear over time.
I've not got that far into mine, but did to a tear down of the internal parts: th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html Part number and a brief description below: www.ereplacementparts.com/grinder-complete-assembly-p-1810375.html#RepairInstructions Maybe if I ever am into the inside of the machine again, I'll try taking a look at how the grinder fits in there. Machine is working well right now and as they say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
@@The4Crawler Thanks Mr R - fair enough! Sadly the spindle of the grinder assembly in my unit appears to have seized, which I reckon is not a good sign?
@@iandouglas8188 If so, it's likely something in the gear reduction unit. Assume you've torn it down in place and can't get the shaft to turn. It doesn't look like the grinder assembly is too difficult to replace. A handful of screws and some wires. Sounds like you need to pull the main circuit board out for access
@@iandouglas8188 I've never tried to turn mine. But with a high gear reduction in that, it's probably very hard to turn the grinder and get the motor to spin that way.
With the numbered dial on the left side. Smaller numbers are finer grind, larger numbers are coarser. Adjust for about the consistency of fine table salt then up or down as needed to get the desired extraction pressure.
@@The4Crawler Yes I think we all know this. In case anyone actually does want to know how to make an internal adjustment... Undo the screw on the course / fine dial and remove it. The you need to remove the white plastic cog underneath by squeezing the 2 tabs at the bottom of the shaft and pulling up. You can see on the underside of the white cog the is a plastic stop that stops it from over rotating. Simply move the big black cog into the range that you want it then refit the white cog in the correct position. This may take a little trial and error but you'll work it out.
@@RoostR34 OK, it sounds like you are you referring to taking the grinder adjustment mechanism apart and resetting the range of the coarse/fine dial. I hadn't considered doing that, but will keep that in mind. I've also heard that you can get a build-up of ground coffee underneath these parts and cleaning that out can help restore the full working range on the adjustment dial.
@@RoostR34 Good to know. This is a good option on the older grinders that don't have the internal fine adjustment on the grinder burr like the newer models to.
No hermano ya le realice dicha limpieza , al parecer una pedazo de piedra o algo fuerte que trajo el café hizo que sucediera eso, ya que se ve el disco como rayado y un poco golpeado , algo muy mínimo, y otra pregunta que te quiero realizar la breville touch cuando termina de hacer el expreso tiene como un sonido muy leve, es decir si tú colocas la oreja en la maquina sentirás como un sonido interno que luego de 30 segundos aproximadamente o un poco mas se apaga, es así tu maquina también tiene el mismo sonido ???
"No, brother, I already did this cleaning, apparently a piece of stone or something strong that brought the coffee made that happen, since the album is seen as scratched and slightly beaten, something very minimal, and another question that I want to ask you The breville touch when it finishes making the espresso has a very slight sound, that is, if you put your ear in the machine you will feel like an internal sound that after approximately 30 seconds or a little more turns off, so your machine also has the same sound ???" "You can get replacement burrs for the grinder, check with Breville or you can try ereplacementparts.com. The sound you are hearing is probably the drain solenoid that remains on for about 30 seconds after a brew cycle to let any steam or hot water drain out of the machine:" Puede obtener rebabas de reemplazo para la amoladora, consulte con Breville o puede probar ereplacementparts.com. El sonido que está escuchando es probablemente el solenoide de drenaje que permanece encendido durante unos 30 segundos después de un ciclo de preparación para permitir que el vapor o el agua caliente salgan de la máquina: th-cam.com/video/9cC-m3a-oXY/w-d-xo.html
I don't have access to that model machine. But looking at pg. 52 of the manual, it seems to be the same cleaning instructions as the 870 model, see first video below: th-cam.com/video/uo9G6g6tZ_w/w-d-xo.html Cleaning with rice: th-cam.com/video/iriaqWpfO6s/w-d-xo.html Advanced grinder cleaning: th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html
@@AntonioAlvarezMolina The user manual only shows the one cleaning procedure from what I can see. So either that process or he uncooked rice (or cleaning tablet) method should still work.
My Barista Express grind adjustment dial moves when the grinder is grinding beans. This means that I can dial in or set it to a number but then vibration when grinding moves the dial, so it changes the settings on its own to some other number and this can ruin the brew. How do I tighten the grinder adjustment dial so it doesn't move when the grinder is on? Thanks!
There seems to be some sort of spring loaded detent mechanism on that dial. Never tore into that on my machine, but there's an exploded parts diagram on the page below that might help: www.ereplacementparts.com/breville-bes870xl-the-barista-express-parts-c-116052_116055_290179.html
You might try the advanced grinder cleaning process if you've not already tried that: th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html I find that when the grinder gets clogged up inside, the coffee comes out very fine even on the coarsest setting, that's my signal that it needs cleaning. If you have a later model machine, they have an additional adjustment on one of the burrs to change the overall grind setting to account for wear.
My question is, where can parts be purchased if the breville parts are out of stock? I lost the washer that goes on top of the felt washer Part #SP0001574. I can't use my machine until I get a replacement part. Breville says they are out of stock until October of this year 2021.
ereplacementparts.com is one option. Otherwise, see if you can get a dimension for that washer and find one at a hardware store. Another option: www.fix.com/parts/espresso-machine/breville/fix12008189/washer-for-bearing-sp0001574/
@@The4Crawler Thank you. I found out that they won't ship to Alaska. I would get a washer from the hardware store if I knew the O.D, thickness, and I.D. but not able to find that out.
Hi. I did clean as described in your video. But it still gets stuck and stops grinding if i fill the hopper with coffee beans. What do you think is happening?
Haven't run into that issue myself. Did you do the basic or advanced grinder cleaning? th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html Might see if there's something inside jamming the grinding burrs. Also, if you have a later model machine, with the adjustable burr, try opening up that setting a bit. Otherwise, try contacting Breville support and see if they have any other ideas.
@@The4Crawler cranberry BES870CRN. Is that the model? I was able to get the inner and outer burrs; brushed the ground outlet clean too. It runs well when there is no bean; but as soon as i put them in, its like the sprockets/ or belts if these are the mechanisms down under and or inside it cant run the burrs.
Hi, my smart grinder pro suddenly dropped from the usual 14 to 6 settings. Does this means the upper burr assembly has been worn out? Does anyone can confirm this?
If I have an older model (say 2015) .. do you know if I could buy an inside grinder part that has the internal setting? Mine only has the external grinder setting. I just pulled out the inside grinder to adjust the setting, but I didn't see any numbers. I wonder if I just purchased a new inside grinder (with settings) if it would work in my older machine...
Hey can you help me in fixing the grinder as the grinder in my machine doesn't rotate and just produce sound. I cant open the top burr using the metal ring and is stuck too. Do you think opening it from the back is gonna help me in reaching for any stuck coffee in the grinder?
Should be able to get to everything from the top. Try cranking the dial to full coarse and then you may need to work the conical burr back and forth like I had to in this video: th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html You might try inverting the whole machine and give it a few gentle taps to see if you can dislodge anything stuck inside the grinder.
@@The4Crawler I have tried vacuuming and have used so much force to twist the metal ring back and forth but always end up getting the ring out of its place from the black plastic it is connected to. Don't know if there's any other method to reach in the grinder to clean. Because the ring they designed to open is just not strong enough to twist
Well, try taking off the top panel and see if it's any easier that way. If that doesn't help, try contacting Breville customer support: www.breville.com/us/en/home/index.html My conical burr has always come out with a bit of back and forth jiggling but I've heard of others who have had theirs stuck in place.
thank mate for this great video, I have a question my machine is giving me more than what i need even though the gind amount is on the less point do you have an idea how to fix it ?
Never ran into that exact issue. Make sure you're on the right 1-cup or 2-cup setting as that can affect the grind volume. You might also try unplugging the machine for a few minutes then power it back on and see if that makes any difference. You can always manually stop the grinder by pushing the filter basket back into the switch. Other than that, might contact Breville Support and see if they have any other ideas.
You might try cleaning the grinder and see if that helps: th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html And if it's a newer machine, those have an adjustable top burr that you may be able to adjust to fix the grind setting. I'm not familiar with the newer mechanism, but perhaps another viewer or the Breville customer service folks can help with that.
you have two adjustments, one is the dial you see outside on the side and then the burr inside is removable and has its own adjustment as well from 1 -10, when I bought mine it was set to 6 which was why i couldn't get a fine grind
I've never taken the whole grinder out. There's an exploded parts diagram on the web page below that might help: www.ereplacementparts.com/breville-bes870xl-the-barista-express-parts-c-116052_116055_290179.html
Hey man! Upon turning my grind adjustment wheel it does not produce the clicking sound which is being heard in your video each time you turn it. I tried adjusting the upper burr and troubleshooted some issues. Just wondering if i could do something about it. Thank you,Sir! P.S i use a breville barista express BES870XL
The clicking sound on my machine (2014 vintage) comes from the knob you turn to adjust the grinder. It's not coming from the grinder itself, more like a spring loaded detent in the knob itself as you hit each number. I know Breville made some changes to the grinders in later model machines and maybe they eliminated the clicking sound.
R Brown thank you for the information. You’re a saint for all the details and tips you share here for all breville barista users man. Keep it up! God bless!
Haven't dug that far into mine. But I would first remove the grinder hopper and top cover: th-cam.com/video/96IuKiuIB5A/w-d-xo.html and have a look at the grinder adjusting mechanism. With the grinder burrs removed: th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html you should be able to get a good look at how the parts work and likely what is wrong. Not much to it, just the numbered wheel with some gear teeth on it and matting gear teeth on the round part of the grinder head. That part has a coarse thread that moves it up and down as you turn the wheel. I would suspect that either the gear teeth are not aligned or the gear on the numbered wheel is either slipping or broken. New grinder or adjusting wheel are available, likely from Breville or below: www.ereplacementparts.com/breville-bes870xl-the-barista-express-parts-c-116052_116055_290179.html
Hola espero se encuentren bien, tengo una máquina breville expresó touch, la compre en diciembre cuando estuve en usa de vacaciones , yo soy de venezuela no me ha durado 3 meses y ya presenta problemas con el molino suena como a metal con metal y no puedo usar el molino a menos q lo pongo a moler en el nivel 30 es decir el más grueso para no escuchar ese sonido, dígame q puedo hacer ya que aquí en mi país no tengo garantía de eso
"Hello, I hope you are well, I have a Breville machine, expressed touch, I bought it in December when I was in the USA on vacation, I am from Venezuela, it has not lasted 3 months and I already have problems with the mill, it sounds like metal to metal and I cannot use the mill unless I put it to grind at level 30, that is, the thickest so as not to hear that sound, tell me what I can do since here in my country I have no guarantee of that" "You might look into opening up the grinder, cleaning it inside and see if any debris is stuck inside. Also, if you have the later style grinder with the adjustments on the burr, see if changing that makes a difference." Puede mirar para abrir el molinillo, limpiarlo por dentro y ver si hay restos atrapados en el interior. Además, si tiene la amoladora de estilo posterior con los ajustes en las rebabas, vea si cambiar eso hace la diferencia. th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html
Ok perfecto y el tema crema en mi café , no veo q saca esa crema q me sacaba antes , ya la descalcifique y lo único que no he cambiado es el filtro que lleva la parte de atrás la máquina en el agua ya que en mi país no lo venden , eso influye en algo???
@@naim7947 "Ok perfect and the theme cream in my coffee, I do not see that it removes that cream that I removed before, I already descaled it and the only thing that I have not changed is the filter that takes the back of the machine in the water since in my country do not sell it, does that influence something ???" "The water filter doesn't do anything magic. Two versions, one is a water softener and the other type is activated charcoal to remove odors and chemicals from the water. If you use bottled water or have soft water no real need to change the filter. If you have hard water or bad tasting water, then the filter is a good thing to change." El filtro de agua no hace nada mágico. Dos versiones, una es un ablandador de agua y la otra es carbón activado para eliminar olores y productos químicos del agua. Si usa agua embotellada o agua blanda, no es necesario cambiar el filtro. Si tiene agua dura o agua de mal sabor, entonces es bueno cambiar el filtro: th-cam.com/video/VLqiSIQEBE8/w-d-xo.html
I've noticed that's usually a sign the grinder needs cleaning. Reason being that as the outlet of the grinder gets packed up with fine powder and oils, it both closes up the gap between the burrs and it's harder for the newly ground coffee to exit. Thus, it stays in the grinder longer and gets ground finer before it finally makes it out to the filter basket. Try the advanced cleaning option: th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html or at least some uncooked white rice or grinder cleaning tablets: th-cam.com/video/iriaqWpfO6s/w-d-xo.html and see if that helps. If not, you may need to adjust the grinder burrs for wear, the newer machines have some sort of micro-adjustment with one of the burrs for this.
Ours has been doing the same and has finally broken... (grinder jams and motor clicking slipping gears) I discovered that the reason is the grinds impeller is worn away and the grinds compact and jam inside the machine. I Google BES860XL Impeller and found a 3D printing replacement on Shapeways website. The part is in the mail :)
That's interesting, thanks for posting. I also see the 3D part file on Thingiverse: www.thingiverse.com/thing:3444711 Looks like that part was redesigned in the 870XL, its now made mostly of metal. th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html
@@The4Crawler I have managed a temporary fix while awaiting the replacement impeller. I rotated the grind adjustment large cog about 1/8 turn clockwise to increase the coarse of the grind. Now the grinds are more powdery and don't clog the machine. Still getting about 1/2 filter pressure and good crema so that'll do me :)
Sounds like a good work around. I notice my grinder is moving slowly to the higher end of the dial. I guess as the burrs wear, the grind gets finer for a given setting.
hello! and thanks for your videos. I have a question hopefully you can help me with this. My Breville's grinder is pouring small and fine amount of coffee even on a larger number on this dial and also cranking the amount of coffee knob to 7 o'clock. This is resulting in overextraction ( little coffee).Do you have any idea why? im using the same coffee beans and have done all the maintenance needed.
You might try the advanced grinder cleaning if you've not already done so: th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html If you have a new model machine, the grinder burrs have an internal adjustment where you can compensate for wear if that's the cause of the fine grind. On my older machine, I've noticed the grind getting finer over time, likely due to wear. The cleaning helped to some degree, as the burrs and outlet chute get clogged, the coffee stays in the grinder longer = finer grind. I think it may be possible to play with the shim washer thickness under the one burr to make small changes to the grind, but I've not looked into that in detail.
Today, I was making my second espresso of the day and when I went to grind a double shoot there was loud gear grinding noises. I immediately stopped down and did the typical grinder deep clean and found a particularly hard bean stuck between the two burrs. And THEN I noticed that the size adjustment wheel was far easier to turn. Looking closer, I can tell that it's no longer raising the outer conical burr assembly, so I'm fairly certain that's what's stripped somehow. I haven't yet done a full tear down to get to those gears. I'm still trying to figure out how to remove the housing properly to expose the internals. Ugh...
My wheel keeps moving (towards coarse) while grinder is running?!? I have tried deep clean and still it’s moving. When working on empty (without coffee beans) it remains in place. I don’t know what’s going on there? Hmmm… any1 having the same issue??
I would look around the adjustment wheel. There is likely a spring loaded detent pin or something like that that gives it that clicking noise as you adjust it. Maybe that's become clogged with coffee grounds to where it no longer holds the dial in position.
Hi there, just found this video to try and help with a problem I am having. We are not getting any ground coffee to come out the grinder and what seems to be happening is the gap between the 2 burs has closed over time to the point now the gap is too small for the grinds to dropdown. I have cleaned it very well including taking out the bottom bur, I have adjusted the top bur (I have the newer model) to both extremes, and still, we cannot get the grounds to drop. When I set the dial to very fine the 2 burs are actually touching! I am wondering based on what I see in your video if for some reason the top bur has jumped out of position??? It would be wonderful if you can shed some light on this, cheers Franklin.
I haven't worked with the newer adjustable grinder. But it's worth checking if you have all the required washers and shims inside the grinder: th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html You could try and find an on-line exploded parts diagram for that and see if all the parts are there. Have seen a commenter mention they re-adjusted the grinder, see the comment by @Darren Watton below.
Hi there, great video!! Thanks!! I have the previous model, the 860,but this mechanism is very similar so I hope you can help me out. My grinder wasn't working, so I completely open it, super cleaned, etc. But now, when I put everything together, I'm having a big issue : no matter what number I select, the coffee looks always the same. So I must have done something very wrong, hahaha. Could you do a video where you treasure out the big wheel and how do you install the center piece? The one that goes up an down? Mine goes up and down, but the coffee is always exactly the same. I realized that I can "screw" the black center piece more or less, and that changes if its corse or fine. But the dial is not affecting the size. I hope this makes sense ;) Thanks in advance
If I have the machine open again, I can try to take a closer look at the parts. On mine, I measured between 12.4mm and 13.0mm from the top of the threaded cylinder to the flat part of the big gear at the highest and lowest adjustments. If you took the burrs out, double check that they went back in properly and are fully seated in position. The center burr should have the one thin shim under it, if it's like mine.
@@The4Crawler thanks for your answer. No, I haven't take out the center burr, because in mine there is no nut on top of it, so it is quite difficult to do so. Have you found a little white plastic piece? I think it goes under the "numbers wheel"?
@@carlosvaquerofoto Interesting, sounds like the 860 model grinder is a bit different, mine has a nut and lock washer holding the center burr in place. Even the 870 model seems to have 2 different grinder setups, the later model has an adjustable outer burr. I've not opened up the grinder adjustment mechanism on my 870, but maybe you can find a PDF service manual on-line that shows the parts breakdown for that.
@@The4Crawler do you mind posting a video/photo with samples of the coarsest size and the finest?? I think mine might be bad, because I can't tell much of a difference between the 1 and the 16 ;( They look pretty much the same) But I can see how the burr goes up and down when I have the machine open and I move the big wheel
Out of nowhere, my grinder started making a funny noice. It is now squeaking when grinder is turned on for finer settings (7 and below). Since this issue , it is now very difficult to turn the dial on the lower (finer) numbers , but still easy to change dial on coarser settings. Coffee seems to be grinding very fine on lower numbers now . So fine hardly any coffee comes out
Check out the videos in this playlist for grinder cleaning procedures, specifically the "Advanced Grinder Cleaning" video. Perhaps the grinder is plugged up, especially the chute below the grinder. If that doesn't help, I think there's a comment on this video about pulling the adjustment mechanism off and cleaning out coffee debris that can build up under the adjustment dial.
@@The4Crawler thanks! I did clean the grinder and took all parts out of the grinder. In order to clean adjustment dial , would this involve taking of back of the machine ?
Then it's likely the wiring connection to the switch that is the issue. Pull off the grinder and the top cover and have a look inside at the wiring that connects to that switch.
It sounds like something hard may be stuck inside the grinder. I would empty the hopper, unlock and remove it then follow the advanved grinder cleaning steps: th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html
R Brown, did you try the microadjustment? It´s on the top burr, locked by the lever. You can make it coarser (increasing the number, it´s 1-10) or fine. Give a try!
That's a feature on the newer model machines. Mine is older (circa 2014) and lacks that adjustment feature.
@@The4Crawlermine is a 2009 860xl and didn’t have the adjustment on the burr. Bought the new burr with adjustments and it works on mine.
@@engrxtn Good to know. Might have to pick up one of those adjustable burrs for my 870XL.
Your videos will be of great help to a lot of people with these machines. I began tinkering with my broken secondhand machine about a year ago, the issues it had are too numerous to mention here in one comment! Thankfully all are currently resolved and it is working perfectly. One issue I had was my grind was way too course even on setting 1. I had to flip up the smaller white cog under the dial and move the large cog about three teeth along to recalibrate the grind parameters. It now gives me the range i need to get a good grind. I would say to anybody maybe attempting this, ensure to not go too fine or the burrs could touch. You are not really missing much not having the adjustable upper burr. I have found it's range almost negligible so far.
Good information on the newer grinder and it's new adjustment mechanism. I suppose if my grinder were to wear out, it could be replaced with a newer model grinder as all that fine adjustment mechanism is inside the unit.
@@The4Crawler Yes I had the old upper burr and bought the newer one. It fits just the same.
@@darrenwatton2650 Excellent, that good to hear.
@@darrenwatton2650 This is excellent news ! I have just purchased what seems to be an older version and setting 1 is too course. So your comment heartens me & I will now investigate purchasing that part. Thank you 🙏
Thx for simply beeing there and helping out.
This is what I have been looking for! Amazing. Thank you!
You're very welcome!
Thanks for the video. My machine all of a sudden started making weird noise which sounded like the burrs are tight on each other. I opened both bottom and top burrs cleaned them. Didn’t get fixed! One strange thing I see is that when I lock the top burr I have to do it only at highest coarse size and even when it’s locked the knob becomes very tight to turn to lower numbers ( even getting to number 12!) . Still I hear the same sound. ( I don’t have coffee beans in the system while I am testing)
When I remove top burr, I can easily turn the knob and no issues. I feel Somehow there is something that makes the top burrs so tight when I put it in. I see you have spent a good amount of effort to learn the mechanisms, do you have any idea what could be the issue of my machine?
I've not dug into my grinder that far, but maybe something got jammed. It could be some coffee grounds stuck under the lower burr or the adjustment mechanism and is preventing it from dropping. Might contact Breville support to see if they have any ideas. I believe a new grinder is still available in case yours is not fixable.
I am part of a Sage owners group and I linked you video to a comment where they were not getting coffee to grind, I hope it helps them.
Great, hopefully the grinder videos are of some help.
Hi there
I hope you can help ? my sage barista is only grinding very coarse, no matter what I turn the dial to. . Do you know why this could be please?
Thank you so much
@@connieloveshp8250 Check that the adjustment mechanism goes up and down like shown in the video. It may be there's coffee grounds stuck below the part that moves up and down. And, try this grinder cleaning:
th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html
and see if anything is stuck inside preventing the movable burr from moving. And if you have a newer model machine with the adjustable burr in the grinder, try adjusting that.
Thank you so much 😊
"As the grinder wears, the coffee will get coarser and coarser."
Bingo!
This is what I'm experiencing with my 870XL. It's 4 1/2 years old now and I've noticed I'm maxed out at the fine end of the adjustment knob. I came here to get an idea of how things look inside. Gonna have to open mine up.
I just assumed the grinding burrs have worn. But perhaps there's something loose. The top nut perhaps? Or if my machine has additional adjustment inside, then I should be set.
I also purchased some "burr grinder cleaner" about a year ago. Still haven't used it. Perhaps that should be my first assault and see how it does.
Either way, thank you so much for posting!
Good idea to check inside for any obvious signs or wear and anything loose. Should be clear if you have the adjustable burr type grinder, mine is old enough to not have that. There was also a comment in this video from someone who mentioned it might be possible to re-index the grinder on the adjustment mechanism and/or clean it out underneath if that's part of the issue.
@@The4Crawler thank you again!
Thank you v much for this. Led me to understand what's wrong with mine. Excellent!
Glad it helped!
What would you do to unblock the grinder if it isn't spinning and you can't get the top burr out?
I've never run into that situation. You might try using something like a screwdriver to try and rotate the top burr back and forth and see if that'll free it up enough to remove. I do something similar when I remove mine, see the grinder cleaning video in this playlist. I find I need to rock it back and forth with the bail a number of times until it starts to move. It won't feel like anything is happening at first, but keep turning it back and forth until you feel is start to move. You don't want to use excessive force and break something. Instead, gradually increase the pressure as you get a feel for how much you can use without breaking something.
@@The4Crawler you're amazing!! Thank you so much 🙏 I will check your other video out now and see if I can get it unstuck. I'll keep you posted:)
@@dodadodo25 This is the time stamp for that part:
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@@The4Crawler unfortunately the wiggling didn't work :( I can't see what you meant by using a screwdriver. Do you put it between the stainless steel ring to use as a leaver?
@@dodadodo25 You probably don't want to use it as a lever in that ring as that will likely snap off. Just see if you can work it around the sides and loosen up anything that might be holding it in position. That burr needs to rotate a bit to unlock.
ahh we love our coffee thank for showing
Great job. Very interesting and shows you have a real grasp on the technical. I don't have to take mine apart now! And, 1 is fine is the best thing to remember if you're looking to adjust... Did you know that sour is too coarse or too little and bitter is too fine or too much? Also, too tamped can make it bitter - while not tamped enough can make it sour...
The internal fine tune is very easy to deal with if you take out the top burr...
Great information on fine tuning the grind settings. I think the internal fine tuning feature in the grinder was only on the later machines. Mine is lacking that adjustable top burr. Although, if I were to replace the grinder with a new one, I would pick up that feature.
My barista grinder stops grinder after grinding small amount & needs to keep my hand on button to continue grinding , what would be the cause of this please ?
I've never run into that problem myself. Could be the Grind Amount dial has a bad connection to the main controller board. Might try resetting the machine by unplugging it for a while. Or contact Breville support and see if they have any troubleshooting ideas.
I was in my machine trying to fix a leak then accidentally knocked this and messed it up. I disassembled (the gears) and tried to reassemble it but I don’t see it moving the burr like in this video, despite the gear turning around the center black piece. Do you have any videos where you take this piece apart and reassemble?
I've never torn mine apart more than in this video. I did disassemble and clean the burrs in the grinder in this video:
th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=GWmTPuYVNv9TPldy
You might want to contact Breville support and ask if they have any detailed assembly information on that part. And a replacement grinder assembly is also available if you can't get yours working.
@@The4Crawlerwow, thank you so much for such a fast response. I’ll reach out to Breville and see what they think!
Hello mate! my breville machine grinder have problem, whenever i grind, nothing comes out so i tried deep cleaning it by removing the screws etc2. and still nothing comeouts, everything just get stuck in the grinder.
It sounds like the chute below the grinder is getting plugged. Did you clean that out when you worked on the grinder:
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Might be due to a flavored or very oily coffee bean, maybe try different beans and see if that works any better. If it plugs up right away, try running it for just a short time, then open up the grinder and see what is getting plugged up first.
Mr Brown, Is it possible to replace the motor?
Never tried but likely possible. Hoeever, finding a replacement might be hard. I do believe they sell a replacement grinder module that can be swapped out.
I saw in the comments that few people had same issue that when you setting the wheel on coarser and coarser but coffee is still fine.
I did fix it!
You need to disassemble the grinder by removing wheel with grinding level (numbers) and pull up another big gear like part and clean under. There is markings on the wheels so you put it back right way and everything works fine. Issue occurred on long term when we grind coffee and coffee dust start building under the stationary wheel and start pushing closer and closer so coffee grind start being finer and finer.
Great find, I'll have to give that a try next time I open up the machine. For now, mine has been working fine.
Thanks for sharing Igor! I'm looking at this right now.
This tip ultimately helped me really get my grind size range of motion back to a fully functional state. There was quite a bit of dust impacted up under the larger gear. I used the stock cleaning brush, some tapping and a vacuum to clear it all out.
@@redmenace3921 I'll be giving this a try next time I have the top off the machine. Thanks for the great comment.
How do you take the larger gear?
My grinder setting selector moves itself during the grinding process. I opened the machine and what holds the selector gear in a specific setting/number is just friction. Have you ever seen this?
Have not seen that myself. It could be there's coffee grounds under or in the adjusting mechanism that's preventing that adjuster from staying in place. On my (older) machine, there's what feels like a spring loaded detent on the adjustment dial that holds it in place.
@@The4Crawler no spring on mine. I cleaned everything and still do the same. There is a plastic gear under the selector…that gear is inserted into another plastic. Must be that the plastic has wearing…therefore less friction. I would love to share the video here but I don’t I can’t on YT. I don’t think they make much parts for the bes860xl anymore. I’m thinking of increasing the friction with a through small bolt.
@@engrxtn Don't have any 860 experience, that series might be a little different. If friction is the mechanism, then something to increase the friction may work. If you can upload your video to something like Google photos or Dropbox, etc. I could grab it and upload to TH-cam if you want. Would be a good problem and potential fix for 860 owners.
@@The4Crawler uploaded the video to my TH-cam. Let me know if you can see it. Will figure out the solution and share it. Thank you!!
@@engrxtn Yes, looks like whatever is holding that dial is worn out and letting it slip. On the 870 model, there's a distinct click as you go from number to number. Maybe Breville added that detent to prevent the issue you're seeing.
Interesting! Thanks for this!
Glad you liked it!
Hello Mr. Brown...I have a Breville Barista Express, I did the deep cleaning on the grinder, but when I push the portafilter against the push button for grind it does nothing, any idea what it could be?? Thanks
I would guess that there's an issue with the switch at the back of the grinder. Maybe it's clogged with coffee grounds or maybe the wiring connector behind it has loosened up and is no longer making a connection. If you push the switch in with your finger, do you hear it click as it goes all the way in? If not, something is preventing it from closing. If it does click, then the wiring is the likely issue.
Yes it does click
My Breville 870XL (purchased 2013) was finicky. My unit’s grind fineness/coarseness knob had to be set very low (fine) and my grind amount knob had to be set very low (not that the amount was low - the knob wasn’t well calibrated). If I wanted good espresso could never touch these knobs. I could tell if I was going to get a wonderful or dud espresso just by watching the pressure gauge during extraction. Thanks for the video.
Yes, agree that the grinder settings are finicky. Always cracks me up when a viewer will ask what grinder setting and amount numbers they should use for brand XYZ coffee beans.
@@The4Crawler Excellent point. Anyone reading this who has already or planned to ask where you should set the coarseness knob and grind amount knob - I wish it were calibrated so that was possible. Your knobs are a mile off from my knobs and any other Breville. Now, the DIGITAL settings ARE calibrated machine to machine. Obviously 205-degree water shouldn’t vary machine to machine. And I leave you with - the best espresso (on Earth) comes from Intelligentsia Coffee!
I fixed my machine and can’t close the lid. Thanks to your video, I turned the dial to finest thinking that was the issue. Unfortunately, it still won’t close. Any suggestions?
Some grinder re-assembly tips in this video/timestamp:
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Have you noticed that the grinding amount has decreased over the years. I am wondering if the grinder motor spins slower now and grinds less. I have mine set for double and the "Grind Amount" set to the highest. Even then I sometimes still will grind another1-2 seconds to get the amount I need to keep the pressure up.
Yes, that does seem to happen. Probably somewhat due to wear in the burrs. Also, worth doing the advanced grinder cleaning:
th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html
Over time, the outlet passage can get clogged up and that limits how much ground coffee can pass through in the time set by the amount knob.
Mine is completely worn out. It’s the very first model, though. It's not string anymore, so it gets jammed all the time.
Hi there, I have the 860 but older model than yours . Mine has the finest grinds on the higher number, finest is 15 and 2 is coarsest. Anyway, my grind is the same, 15 or 2? don't know how to fix this?
Could be the grinder needs internal cleaning:
th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html
If that doesn't help, maybe some other viewers may have a suggestion.
Coarser is a higher number. Finer is a lower number. The arrows are confusing.
Hello, Great video, very informative. Thank you. My Breville Barista Express stopped grinding. It sounds like a jet engine. I cleaned the grinder and put them back. when there is no coffee beans it rotates ok, but when I put coffee beans the rotation stopes and sounds like a jet engine again and stops rotating. I also changed the adjustment dial level and changed the coffee beans, but no change. How can I clean the chute?
This video goes into a full or advanced grinder cleaning process as Breville calls it:
th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html
Might also contact Breville support and see if they have any troubleshooting information. It sounds as if something may not be fully engaging in the grinder mechanism and causing it to slip when there's a load on the grinder, when the coffee beans are added.
@@The4Crawler thanks a lot!
Is the Breville motor grinder a brushless motor?
I don't think so. It seems to be driven with a single Triac.
@@The4Crawler Owh,hope there can built one that Would be last long life time
@@The4Crawler tq ☺️
I saw a video saying making it fine would damage the burrs. But u thought this should be common sense for manufacturer to account for this and design it so it couldn't touch. What do you think?
That would be the case in the extreme if your adjustment made the burrs contact each other. On my machine, I can go from full fine to full coarse with no contact. But if you start hearing a metal on metal grating noise, then you've gone too fine.
@The4Crawler thanks for the reply.
I was messing with the inner burr setting default 6. I turn to 3/fine makes wierd sound same for 5,4,3. Making the same noise at same exact outter wheel setting. I don't know why that is.
@@seek3n You might have the newer model grinder with the extra set of internal adjustments. My grinder is the older one with just the external grinder setting wheel.
I don't have any experience with that style grinder, but yes, you may be able to adjust that to the point the burrs make contact. I believe those adjustments are meant to compensate for wear over time.
@The4Crawler ohh. Thank you so much again!
Could you possibly post a video on replacing the complete grinder assembly of a BES870? It would be much appreciated.
I've not got that far into mine, but did to a tear down of the internal parts:
th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html
Part number and a brief description below:
www.ereplacementparts.com/grinder-complete-assembly-p-1810375.html#RepairInstructions
Maybe if I ever am into the inside of the machine again, I'll try taking a look at how the grinder fits in there. Machine is working well right now and as they say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
@@The4Crawler Thanks Mr R - fair enough! Sadly the spindle of the grinder assembly in my unit appears to have seized, which I reckon is not a good sign?
@@iandouglas8188 If so, it's likely something in the gear reduction unit. Assume you've torn it down in place and can't get the shaft to turn.
It doesn't look like the grinder assembly is too difficult to replace. A handful of screws and some wires. Sounds like you need to pull the main circuit board out for access
@@The4Crawler Yes that is so...I assume that it should turn easily when not powered up?
@@iandouglas8188 I've never tried to turn mine. But with a high gear reduction in that, it's probably very hard to turn the grinder and get the motor to spin that way.
So how do you adjust it???
With the numbered dial on the left side. Smaller numbers are finer grind, larger numbers are coarser. Adjust for about the consistency of fine table salt then up or down as needed to get the desired extraction pressure.
@@The4Crawler Yes I think we all know this.
In case anyone actually does want to know how to make an internal adjustment...
Undo the screw on the course / fine dial and remove it. The you need to remove the white plastic cog underneath by squeezing the 2 tabs at the bottom of the shaft and pulling up. You can see on the underside of the white cog the is a plastic stop that stops it from over rotating. Simply move the big black cog into the range that you want it then refit the white cog in the correct position. This may take a little trial and error but you'll work it out.
@@RoostR34 OK, it sounds like you are you referring to taking the grinder adjustment mechanism apart and resetting the range of the coarse/fine dial. I hadn't considered doing that, but will keep that in mind. I've also heard that you can get a build-up of ground coffee underneath these parts and cleaning that out can help restore the full working range on the adjustment dial.
@@The4Crawler Yeah I needed to get a finer adjustment than was set at factory. Or the burr has worn. Not sure, repaired it for a friend 🙂
@@RoostR34 Good to know. This is a good option on the older grinders that don't have the internal fine adjustment on the grinder burr like the newer models to.
No hermano ya le realice dicha limpieza , al parecer una pedazo de piedra o algo fuerte que trajo el café hizo que sucediera eso, ya que se ve el disco como rayado y un poco golpeado , algo muy mínimo, y otra pregunta que te quiero realizar la breville touch cuando termina de hacer el expreso tiene como un sonido muy leve, es decir si tú colocas la oreja en la maquina sentirás como un sonido interno que luego de 30 segundos aproximadamente o un poco mas se apaga, es así tu maquina también tiene el mismo sonido ???
"No, brother, I already did this cleaning, apparently a piece of stone or something strong that brought the coffee made that happen, since the album is seen as scratched and slightly beaten, something very minimal, and another question that I want to ask you The breville touch when it finishes making the espresso has a very slight sound, that is, if you put your ear in the machine you will feel like an internal sound that after approximately 30 seconds or a little more turns off, so your machine also has the same sound ???"
"You can get replacement burrs for the grinder, check with Breville or you can try ereplacementparts.com. The sound you are hearing is probably the drain solenoid that remains on for about 30 seconds after a brew cycle to let any steam or hot water drain out of the machine:"
Puede obtener rebabas de reemplazo para la amoladora, consulte con Breville o puede probar ereplacementparts.com. El sonido que está escuchando es probablemente el solenoide de drenaje que permanece encendido durante unos 30 segundos después de un ciclo de preparación para permitir que el vapor o el agua caliente salgan de la máquina:
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do you have or can you refer a video to explain how clean grinder in Breville BES860XL? Thank you.
I don't have access to that model machine. But looking at pg. 52 of the manual, it seems to be the same cleaning instructions as the 870 model, see first video below:
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Cleaning with rice:
th-cam.com/video/iriaqWpfO6s/w-d-xo.html
Advanced grinder cleaning:
th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html
@@The4Crawler Thank you for quick answer. My problem is that BES860 is difficult to remove the central piece because there is no bolt on the top.
@@AntonioAlvarezMolina The user manual only shows the one cleaning procedure from what I can see. So either that process or he uncooked rice (or cleaning tablet) method should still work.
My Barista Express grind adjustment dial moves when the grinder is grinding beans. This means that I can dial in or set it to a number but then vibration when grinding moves the dial, so it changes the settings on its own to some other number and this can ruin the brew. How do I tighten the grinder adjustment dial so it doesn't move when the grinder is on? Thanks!
There seems to be some sort of spring loaded detent mechanism on that dial. Never tore into that on my machine, but there's an exploded parts diagram on the page below that might help:
www.ereplacementparts.com/breville-bes870xl-the-barista-express-parts-c-116052_116055_290179.html
@@The4Crawler thank you!
hey was this ever fixed? facing the same issue with mine
I have the same situation…ordered a new grinder assembly and still doing it. The new part doesn’t have a spring loaded mechanism to stop this
I rotate the wheel to coarse but it still comes out very fine
You might try the advanced grinder cleaning process if you've not already tried that:
th-cam.com/video/0ZDii493IPY/w-d-xo.html
I find that when the grinder gets clogged up inside, the coffee comes out very fine even on the coarsest setting, that's my signal that it needs cleaning.
If you have a later model machine, they have an additional adjustment on one of the burrs to change the overall grind setting to account for wear.
My question is, where can parts be purchased if the breville parts are out of stock? I lost the washer that goes on top of the felt washer Part #SP0001574. I can't use my machine until I get a replacement part. Breville says they are out of stock until October of this year 2021.
ereplacementparts.com is one option. Otherwise, see if you can get a dimension for that washer and find one at a hardware store. Another option:
www.fix.com/parts/espresso-machine/breville/fix12008189/washer-for-bearing-sp0001574/
@@The4Crawler Thank you. I found out that they won't ship to Alaska. I would get a washer from the hardware store if I knew the O.D, thickness, and I.D. but not able to find that out.
Hi. I did clean as described in your video. But it still gets stuck and stops grinding if i fill the hopper with coffee beans. What do you think is happening?
Haven't run into that issue myself. Did you do the basic or advanced grinder cleaning?
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Might see if there's something inside jamming the grinding burrs. Also, if you have a later model machine, with the adjustable burr, try opening up that setting a bit. Otherwise, try contacting Breville support and see if they have any other ideas.
@@The4Crawler cranberry BES870CRN. Is that the model? I was able to get the inner and outer burrs; brushed the ground outlet clean too. It runs well when there is no bean; but as soon as i put them in, its like the sprockets/ or belts if these are the mechanisms down under and or inside it cant run the burrs.
Hi, my smart grinder pro suddenly dropped from the usual 14 to 6 settings. Does this means the upper burr assembly has been worn out? Does anyone can confirm this?
I'm not familiar with the inner workings of that grinder. Might be worth contacting Breville support:
mybreville.force.com/BrevilleCustomerCommunity/
If I have an older model (say 2015) .. do you know if I could buy an inside grinder part that has the internal setting? Mine only has the external grinder setting. I just pulled out the inside grinder to adjust the setting, but I didn't see any numbers. I wonder if I just purchased a new inside grinder (with settings) if it would work in my older machine...
I have heard that it is possible to install a newer grinder but I've not tried it myself.
Hey can you help me in fixing the grinder as the grinder in my machine doesn't rotate and just produce sound. I cant open the top burr using the metal ring and is stuck too.
Do you think opening it from the back is gonna help me in reaching for any stuck coffee in the grinder?
Should be able to get to everything from the top. Try cranking the dial to full coarse and then you may need to work the conical burr back and forth like I had to in this video:
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You might try inverting the whole machine and give it a few gentle taps to see if you can dislodge anything stuck inside the grinder.
@@The4Crawler I have tried vacuuming and have used so much force to twist the metal ring back and forth but always end up getting the ring out of its place from the black plastic it is connected to.
Don't know if there's any other method to reach in the grinder to clean. Because the ring they designed to open is just not strong enough to twist
Well, try taking off the top panel and see if it's any easier that way. If that doesn't help, try contacting Breville customer support:
www.breville.com/us/en/home/index.html
My conical burr has always come out with a bit of back and forth jiggling but I've heard of others who have had theirs stuck in place.
thank mate for this great video, I have a question my machine is giving me more than what i need even though the gind amount is on the less point do you have an idea how to fix it ?
Never ran into that exact issue. Make sure you're on the right 1-cup or 2-cup setting as that can affect the grind volume. You might also try unplugging the machine for a few minutes then power it back on and see if that makes any difference. You can always manually stop the grinder by pushing the filter basket back into the switch. Other than that, might contact Breville Support and see if they have any other ideas.
Hello, my grinder does not grind fine, I have it in 1 and it is not too fine, you know it could happen. Thank you
You might try cleaning the grinder and see if that helps:
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And if it's a newer machine, those have an adjustable top burr that you may be able to adjust to fix the grind setting. I'm not familiar with the newer mechanism, but perhaps another viewer or the Breville customer service folks can help with that.
you have two adjustments, one is the dial you see outside on the side and then the burr inside is removable and has its own adjustment as well from 1 -10, when I bought mine it was set to 6 which was why i couldn't get a fine grind
That must be a newer design machine. Apparently that's there to adjust for wear over time.
My grinder won't work at all cleaned it out now opened back but can't take out whole grinder unit... How do I do this
I've never taken the whole grinder out. There's an exploded parts diagram on the web page below that might help:
www.ereplacementparts.com/breville-bes870xl-the-barista-express-parts-c-116052_116055_290179.html
What is the size of the screwdriver?
Which screwdriver was that in reference to (time stamp in the video)?
Hey man! Upon turning my grind adjustment wheel it does not produce the clicking sound which is being heard in your video each time you turn it. I tried adjusting the upper burr and troubleshooted some issues. Just wondering if i could do something about it. Thank you,Sir!
P.S i use a breville barista express BES870XL
The clicking sound on my machine (2014 vintage) comes from the knob you turn to adjust the grinder. It's not coming from the grinder itself, more like a spring loaded detent in the knob itself as you hit each number. I know Breville made some changes to the grinders in later model machines and maybe they eliminated the clicking sound.
R Brown thank you for the information. You’re a saint for all the details and tips you share here for all breville barista users man. Keep it up! God bless!
Glad you like the videos and thanks the the positive comment!
R Brown Hey Man! How do i trouble shoot if i broke my grind adjustment wheel?
Haven't dug that far into mine. But I would first remove the grinder hopper and top cover:
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and have a look at the grinder adjusting mechanism.
With the grinder burrs removed:
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you should be able to get a good look at how the parts work and likely what is wrong.
Not much to it, just the numbered wheel with some gear teeth on it and matting gear teeth on the round part of the grinder head. That part has a coarse thread that moves it up and down as you turn the wheel.
I would suspect that either the gear teeth are not aligned or the gear on the numbered wheel is either slipping or broken.
New grinder or adjusting wheel are available, likely from Breville or below:
www.ereplacementparts.com/breville-bes870xl-the-barista-express-parts-c-116052_116055_290179.html
Hola espero se encuentren bien, tengo una máquina breville expresó touch, la compre en diciembre cuando estuve en usa de vacaciones , yo soy de venezuela no me ha durado 3 meses y ya presenta problemas con el molino suena como a metal con metal y no puedo usar el molino a menos q lo pongo a moler en el nivel 30 es decir el más grueso para no escuchar ese sonido, dígame q puedo hacer ya que aquí en mi país no tengo garantía de eso
"Hello, I hope you are well, I have a Breville machine, expressed touch, I bought it in December when I was in the USA on vacation, I am from Venezuela, it has not lasted 3 months and I already have problems with the mill, it sounds like metal to metal and I cannot use the mill unless I put it to grind at level 30, that is, the thickest so as not to hear that sound, tell me what I can do since here in my country I have no guarantee of that"
"You might look into opening up the grinder, cleaning it inside and see if any debris is stuck inside. Also, if you have the later style grinder with the adjustments on the burr, see if changing that makes a difference."
Puede mirar para abrir el molinillo, limpiarlo por dentro y ver si hay restos atrapados en el interior. Además, si tiene la amoladora de estilo posterior con los ajustes en las rebabas, vea si cambiar eso hace la diferencia.
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Ok perfecto y el tema crema en mi café , no veo q saca esa crema q me sacaba antes , ya la descalcifique y lo único que no he cambiado es el filtro que lleva la parte de atrás la máquina en el agua ya que en mi país no lo venden , eso influye en algo???
@@naim7947 "Ok perfect and the theme cream in my coffee, I do not see that it removes that cream that I removed before, I already descaled it and the only thing that I have not changed is the filter that takes the back of the machine in the water since in my country do not sell it, does that influence something ???"
"The water filter doesn't do anything magic. Two versions, one is a water softener and the other type is activated charcoal to remove odors and chemicals from the water. If you use bottled water or have soft water no real need to change the filter. If you have hard water or bad tasting water, then the filter is a good thing to change."
El filtro de agua no hace nada mágico. Dos versiones, una es un ablandador de agua y la otra es carbón activado para eliminar olores y productos químicos del agua. Si usa agua embotellada o agua blanda, no es necesario cambiar el filtro. Si tiene agua dura o agua de mal sabor, entonces es bueno cambiar el filtro:
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I have the same problem. I keep setting more and more course to get the same grind. Did you figure out what is going on?
I've noticed that's usually a sign the grinder needs cleaning. Reason being that as the outlet of the grinder gets packed up with fine powder and oils, it both closes up the gap between the burrs and it's harder for the newly ground coffee to exit. Thus, it stays in the grinder longer and gets ground finer before it finally makes it out to the filter basket.
Try the advanced cleaning option:
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or at least some uncooked white rice or grinder cleaning tablets:
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and see if that helps.
If not, you may need to adjust the grinder burrs for wear, the newer machines have some sort of micro-adjustment with one of the burrs for this.
Ours has been doing the same and has finally broken... (grinder jams and motor clicking slipping gears)
I discovered that the reason is the grinds impeller is worn away and the grinds compact and jam inside the machine.
I Google BES860XL Impeller and found a 3D printing replacement on Shapeways website. The part is in the mail :)
That's interesting, thanks for posting. I also see the 3D part file on Thingiverse:
www.thingiverse.com/thing:3444711
Looks like that part was redesigned in the 870XL, its now made mostly of metal.
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@@The4Crawler I have managed a temporary fix while awaiting the replacement impeller.
I rotated the grind adjustment large cog about 1/8 turn clockwise to increase the coarse of the grind. Now the grinds are more powdery and don't clog the machine.
Still getting about 1/2 filter pressure and good crema so that'll do me :)
Sounds like a good work around. I notice my grinder is moving slowly to the higher end of the dial. I guess as the burrs wear, the grind gets finer for a given setting.
The new stationery burr ring with adjustments is now used in new Barista Express.
Yes, I think that new adjustable burr was added a few years ago.
hello! and thanks for your videos. I have a question hopefully you can help me with this.
My Breville's grinder is pouring small and fine amount of coffee even on a larger number on this dial and also cranking the amount of coffee knob to 7 o'clock. This is resulting in overextraction ( little coffee).Do you have any idea why? im using the same coffee beans and have done all the maintenance needed.
You might try the advanced grinder cleaning if you've not already done so:
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If you have a new model machine, the grinder burrs have an internal adjustment where you can compensate for wear if that's the cause of the fine grind.
On my older machine, I've noticed the grind getting finer over time, likely due to wear. The cleaning helped to some degree, as the burrs and outlet chute get clogged, the coffee stays in the grinder longer = finer grind. I think it may be possible to play with the shim washer thickness under the one burr to make small changes to the grind, but I've not looked into that in detail.
Today, I was making my second espresso of the day and when I went to grind a double shoot there was loud gear grinding noises.
I immediately stopped down and did the typical grinder deep clean and found a particularly hard bean stuck between the two burrs.
And THEN I noticed that the size adjustment wheel was far easier to turn. Looking closer, I can tell that it's no longer raising the outer conical burr assembly, so I'm fairly certain that's what's stripped somehow. I haven't yet done a full tear down to get to those gears. I'm still trying to figure out how to remove the housing properly to expose the internals.
Ugh...
You can find an exploded parts diagram below:
www.ereplacementparts.com/breville-bes870xl-the-barista-express-parts-c-116052_116055_290179.html
My wheel keeps moving (towards coarse) while grinder is running?!? I have tried deep clean and still it’s moving. When working on empty (without coffee beans) it remains in place. I don’t know what’s going on there? Hmmm… any1 having the same issue??
I would look around the adjustment wheel. There is likely a spring loaded detent pin or something like that that gives it that clicking noise as you adjust it. Maybe that's become clogged with coffee grounds to where it no longer holds the dial in position.
@@The4Crawlerthanx man 👊🏻 will try that too!
Hi there, just found this video to try and help with a problem I am having. We are not getting any ground coffee to come out the grinder and what seems to be happening is the gap between the 2 burs has closed over time to the point now the gap is too small for the grinds to dropdown. I have cleaned it very well including taking out the bottom bur, I have adjusted the top bur (I have the newer model) to both extremes, and still, we cannot get the grounds to drop. When I set the dial to very fine the 2 burs are actually touching! I am wondering based on what I see in your video if for some reason the top bur has jumped out of position??? It would be wonderful if you can shed some light on this, cheers Franklin.
I haven't worked with the newer adjustable grinder. But it's worth checking if you have all the required washers and shims inside the grinder:
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You could try and find an on-line exploded parts diagram for that and see if all the parts are there.
Have seen a commenter mention they re-adjusted the grinder, see the comment by @Darren Watton below.
Hi there, great video!! Thanks!!
I have the previous model, the 860,but this mechanism is very similar so I hope you can help me out.
My grinder wasn't working, so I completely open it, super cleaned, etc. But now, when I put everything together, I'm having a big issue : no matter what number I select, the coffee looks always the same. So I must have done something very wrong, hahaha.
Could you do a video where you treasure out the big wheel and how do you install the center piece? The one that goes up an down?
Mine goes up and down, but the coffee is always exactly the same. I realized that I can "screw" the black center piece more or less, and that changes if its corse or fine. But the dial is not affecting the size. I hope this makes sense ;)
Thanks in advance
If I have the machine open again, I can try to take a closer look at the parts. On mine, I measured between 12.4mm and 13.0mm from the top of the threaded cylinder to the flat part of the big gear at the highest and lowest adjustments. If you took the burrs out, double check that they went back in properly and are fully seated in position. The center burr should have the one thin shim under it, if it's like mine.
@@The4Crawler thanks for your answer. No, I haven't take out the center burr, because in mine there is no nut on top of it, so it is quite difficult to do so.
Have you found a little white plastic piece? I think it goes under the "numbers wheel"?
@@carlosvaquerofoto Interesting, sounds like the 860 model grinder is a bit different, mine has a nut and lock washer holding the center burr in place. Even the 870 model seems to have 2 different grinder setups, the later model has an adjustable outer burr. I've not opened up the grinder adjustment mechanism on my 870, but maybe you can find a PDF service manual on-line that shows the parts breakdown for that.
@@The4Crawler do you mind posting a video/photo with samples of the coarsest size and the finest?? I think mine might be bad, because I can't tell much of a difference between the 1 and the 16 ;( They look pretty much the same) But I can see how the burr goes up and down when I have the machine open and I move the big wheel
I'll give that a try and see if I can come up with something like that. Will have to play around with a few ideas and see what works.
Out of nowhere, my grinder started making a funny noice. It is now squeaking when grinder is turned on for finer settings (7 and below).
Since this issue , it is now very difficult to turn the dial on the lower (finer) numbers , but still easy to change dial on coarser settings.
Coffee seems to be grinding very fine on lower numbers now . So fine hardly any coffee comes out
Check out the videos in this playlist for grinder cleaning procedures, specifically the "Advanced Grinder Cleaning" video. Perhaps the grinder is plugged up, especially the chute below the grinder. If that doesn't help, I think there's a comment on this video about pulling the adjustment mechanism off and cleaning out coffee debris that can build up under the adjustment dial.
@@The4Crawler thanks! I did clean the grinder and took all parts out of the grinder.
In order to clean adjustment dial , would this involve taking of back of the machine ?
@@pieterweyns1989 I've not tried it myself, but I assume it's all accessible with the top cover of the machine off.
The dial goed smooth when I take out the top burr , but when I re enter the burr it’s hard again to move it into the lower numbers
Looked under adjustment dial but all clean there (machine is only 1 month old )
Yes, I push it and it clicks, but I guess no power
Then it's likely the wiring connection to the switch that is the issue. Pull off the grinder and the top cover and have a look inside at the wiring that connects to that switch.
@@The4Crawler ok I will try that thanks
ei mate, im having some problems with my grinder, th-cam.com/video/5y42gdTg8Zc/w-d-xo.html this is what is making, what do you recomend me ?
It sounds like something hard may be stuck inside the grinder. I would empty the hopper, unlock and remove it then follow the advanved grinder cleaning steps:
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