I left Lumix for a year after selling gh5s. I got a7iv. I could not stay with Sony, menu system and overheating got me. Now I am back with S5ii and love it.. But I need new camera with 4k 120 uncropped with PDAF as soon as possible!
I have several cameras from different brands including a Nikon Z8, Sony A7 IV, Canon R6 … but I still prefer the Lumix S5 IIx. Its IBIS, open gate and no overheating are still unmatched by any other company. I am concerned by the future of Panasonic, though. I hope they will continue on business for a long time 🤞
@@Tinvaak Because how exactly would it work out, they havent really released anything significant. Leica is in a world of its own, and Lumix, Blackmagic consumers dont really relate to them. There were some great lens offerings however there isnt anything to use them with lol; Blackmagic had 1 camera release, Lumix also had only S5IIx(and S9 that isnt really relevant as its a hobby camera, and older lumix cameras have bad AF so people tend to not go for them unless you manual focus but thats nieche community. Lenses are also quite expensive, and you are left with 2 bodies to use them with (Leica users for sure wont use sigma or lumix lenses with Leica's exceptional offerings). They are great cameras but ts just a bad package overall. S1/R/H line was released in 2019 and never got a successor. Lumix is a great brand but they have not been competative at all, even tho they had great ideas.
Out of all of the camera brands, Lumix (in my opinion) has the best internal features right out of the box. They have the most flexible recording modes and true anamorphic support for those who need it. Sadly however, Lumix cameras have always been crippled by Panasonic in someway. This has been the case leading up to the s5ii and s5iix with their autofocus and in the case of the s5iix, substantial cropping in 4k60 and the lack of a 4k120 option. I am speaking as a GH5 owner. I have owned and used the GH5 since the original launch window back in 2017... I have used and owned other camera brands since, but for 2025 and beyond, I really want to come home to Lumix. Lumix sadly will always be the "almost" brand and why so many filmmakers overlook their cameras. Personally, it's really is so hard for me to pull the trigger on the s5iix because of that 1.5x crop in 4k60p and no 4k120p... That is kind of a dealbreaker for me on this generation of cameras. I hope the s1hII can bring me home to Lumix.
The difference between Panasonic and it's competitors is that Canon and Sony will put out three cameras that have significant flaws in the time that Panasonic spends getting a camera right. It's a matter of respecting your customer base
Sony also puts out a lot of the same crap in different cameras for way too much money. The s5IIx is a game changer it’s the a73 of the 2020’s to me. It just does everything and it’s a workhorse
You make it sound a little dramatic. Lumix cameras at release are years ahead of the competition. They are built to last and will work flawlessly for years. Their only problem was the autofocus, and this has been fixed for the S5 II and GH7. Next will be the updated versions of the S1, S1R and S1H. If they release a S1H II with good autofocus it will be incredible. I have a GH4 and S5 and believe it or not I still use and love both cameras. Just need to know how to pull manual focus. I do own and use a Canon R5 but never used the 8K . I use the R5 for wildlife photography. It is OK for video, but was not designed for that purpose, and lack some video features that are present in the 2014 GH4.
It is unlikely that panasonic was ahead of us. The rolling shutter is worse than the competition, 4k 60p crop, autofocus is still worse than canon and Sony.
The S1H still produces gorgeous images and the S5 has a brutal value for around 700 bucks used. That just speaks volumes in how far ahead Lumix cameras can be at release, when the competition needs half a decade to catch up. I just hope the S1H II isn't just an evolutionary Mark II update like the S5II, but a real leap forward and if thats the case, then all this waiting is worth it.
Next year might be make or break, they need a Z9 Z8 momentum. I am still a Lumix user and if the L-Mount ended right now, I think it would be sad because their is so much untapped potential. Especially after the s5 IIX
All I want from Lumix S1H ii are: the good new autofocus from gh7, at least 15 usable stops, good performance when it comes to rolling shutter ( a stacked sensor), the ability to record internal ProRes raw. And ssd recording. The most important thing, a good price point ($3000 US). The S1H is already a good camera for filmmaker or Photographer.
"at least 15 usable stops"? only the ARRI 35 has 15,3 usable stops (SNR=2), even the ARRI Alexa classic (wich is the second best in this field) has 13,8 stops, then the Raptor X with 13,7. The S1H has 12,7 stops and the S5II/X : 12,4
Thank You for this. Been waiting for S1HII for a while. Would like it to have 4K 120 Open gate full sensor readout. Also better image stabilization and new and improved autofocus
Panasonic is right, 8K just isn't that important. This new camera cycle is just a little nuts, with the S5 versions not sure there is any need for an S1 anymore. The S1H won't be compared to the A7R line at all, that is a landscape/portrait camera that can shoot okay at best video. The S1H was always a video centric camera, I would imagine it will use some form of stacked or global shutter and have video features that will exceed the competition. If you do it right you don't need to really come out with new cameras that are merely updates to the previous model. I will also keep an eye on Nikon after the Red acquisition, they could make some real waves as well. Time will tell.
I'm with you. I'm increasingly concerned about the company. I left Canon for Panasonic 5 years ago because I felt like Canon was abusing their customers and liked Panasonic's commitment to firmware upgrades. I've invested heavily in Lumix cameras and lenses but getting very, very close to selling it all and moving to Sony. That would be a shame because I really despise Sony's ergonomics.
A DOP looking forward to a new iteration of the camera you love 5-7 years down the line isn't exactly what I'd call obsession. It's just caring for your tools is all 🤷 Having said that, I haven't looked at the news for well over a year as S1 pretty much satisfies me.
They don't just need refreshments. They need more products if they want to stay in race with Canon, Nikon, Sony. Along with upgrades, more line of products for different shooting requirements like the major players already have.
I have Nikon Z9, Fuji Xt3 and LUMIX S1H. No matter how much I love the Z9 I still prefer the S1H for video work and still happy using it since it was launched . I agree it’s taking them so long to produce another iteration and if I was thinking of buying a lumix camera I wouldn’t buy the S1H now. But I would to believe that the S5X is like the demo for what Panasonic will do next. The S1H is still a beast of a camera that compete in today’s market. Let’s hope they come up with a worth waiting S1H II.
Thanks for the update, I have the S1H now for years mainly for stock footage and vacations. Got the S1R a little while ago again! for the photography side of my work. Both excellent cameras it must be said. I recently got back into wildlife photography, got the new sigma 70-200mm and 500mm f5.6 so I’m invested in the L mount for some time now. The S1H is still up there for my needs but could do with an upgrade for the S1R. It’s very good but I do miss the odd shots with the focus situation, landscapes not an issue but find myself a little envious of other makes from time to time. At my age I’m not going to switch to another platform but may need to restrict my focus on what I do if things don’t develop soon.
I am largely rowing in the same boat, gear wise, with my workhorse GH5s, but I am long waiting, hoping, for a flagship S1H II with all the latest and greatest we see in Lumix today. If it gets announced and released soon, I will buy it, with great relief. I need to step up with Panasonic Lumix, which I have preferred for 10 years, or I need to change brands. I hope Panasonic Lumix is listening.
S1 is almost perfect. There are some things to be desired, of course -- but those are incremental improvements. Better built-in mics and ADC, improved (rolling) shutter performance, internal prores or RAW, higher dynamic range, punch in focus assist while recording, and a few things for convenience and a couple of minor bug-fixes is all I can think of really. Oh, of course, built-in ND would be nice but not expecting it for the DSLR form factor any time soon.
Seems to me that it's a sensor supply issue. They've wrung as much out of the Sony IMX410 as they can, and they know the next cams have to improve on it, specifically full-sensor 4K60 and reduced rolling shutter. The only improved 24MP-ish sensor we've seen since the IMX410 is the Z6III sensor, and Nikon probably has an exclusive on that for a while, and Sony might keep it for the A7V after that.
I think they are delaying in order to make it groundbreaking as is the case with most of their past releases. GH7 internal 32bit float and Arri log... wow. Yet other brand loyalists just shrug. Perhaps they wont be able to shrug with this release.
There is no need to incline panasonic to the megapixel race. 6k is enough for almost everything. We need to make sure that these 24 megapixels work to the maximum: make the best dynamic range of 16 plus stops, or more, better sensitivity. Make a more powerful processor, or add another one so that there is less rolling shutter, which can also open up the possibility of shooting full-fledged 6k 60p, 4k 120p. Improved autofocus. A triple base iso is possible. To work in the matrix with color, colorсines, so that it does not lead away to the magenta. That's what users and buyers want to see in this camera. This is not something revolutionary, but something that many expect and hope to get from panasonic in order to stay on this system and not switch to other systems.
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I eventually sold my S1H, and used an A6700 as a stop gap, letting an S5 ii take main duties. If they made an S1H with a faster readout, less jello, no HDMI delay and decent AF that'd be enough for me TBH. In that time I've realised just good Sony cameras are now. The previous zombie skintones aren't really an issue now like they used to be. This is sad as I don't want to leave Panasonic, but they've just stalled now, and it's looking like the future is Sony. I WANT to be wrong though, as Panasonic colour is amazing. But I've already started gradually offloading L lenses now.
A jar of 45 megapickes does sound good, but the UK picked onions are amazing😋. I don't think there's a S1 mkii..... My theory is the S1 was released, then a tech person at Panasonic or Netflix popped the question... Add a low pass filter, add a fan to extend recording times and that will be approved by Netflix! The S1H was just a "yes we can do that to get approval" 👍🏼 I'm about to sell my BMPCC4k as I was hired to shoot a horror festival and the pocket 4k was giving me lots of problems with batteries and media I've used many times before... Just way too many issues for one shoot. Looks like a S1H for me, and going back to Panasonic for the 4th time😂💥🎥👍🏼✌🏻
@@Khainchi so do I sell my Pocket 4k for the S1H 🤔 BUT... I realy like the Blackmagic RAW 4k 75fps🤔...BUT the pocket 4k eats batteries, like a dog eating cookies😂... I just don't know... Or a zcam e2 M4... I need slow-motion and 10bit video😐😔😮💨
@@stuCameraman1 wait a little bro and s1h will rather go around even cheaper you can very well keep your blackmagic p4k too 😃 as soon as s1hii came out s1h will drop in prices,and don’t take my word for it try do a lil google search and see what Hollywood pros got to say about s1h some will compare the footage coming out of this little beast with arri which is insane 👏
I switched to 2 S1 bodies and a S1H after 20 years of Nikon (D2 D3 D4 D5 etc). In the passed years I really love(d) the bodies. I bought 2 S5II bodies and really like it, but it would be great to have a fresh body with S5II+++ specs in a professional body.
I think they're going to do 8k because how I interpret that response was consumers aren't ready for 8k now and that's why it will be released at a later date 🤔
Still with Panasonic. S5 IIX. It's still the best bargain in the business for indie filmmakers. That said, I do worry about Panasonic's finances and suspect they lost a ton of money on those cameras introduced in 2018. Not sure what an S1H II could offer at this point to put LUMIX back in the game against Canon/Sony/Nikon. As you say, a lot of the differentiators have been incorporated into these competitor's flagships. I suppose the LEICA partnership might facilitate some innovation that could wrong-foot the competition and put LUMIX back ahead somehow, but no idea what that could be.
My S1 gives me 5.9k 16:9 with my Black Magic Video Assist. I really do not desire more as for as video quality. May some better slow motion options when I need it. But I have no issues with my S1 at this time.
I am still happy with s5 mk1. Until there is no exact reason, i will keep on the lumix system. I also don't want to swap the camera body every 1-2-3 years. Even the lack of PDAF is still not a big deal in 2024. I have worked with canon and sony too, they are excellent cameras, but at the end of the day, this is just a personal preference to me, i am more comfortable on the lumix S line.
Panasonic company is struggling with funding. They cant sell enough mft cameras to keep up with these bigger companies. Everyone left the gh5 and went to the new canon and sony. Fujifilm stepped up and passed Panasonic. And this year even more customers are leaving.
I have owned 2, Lumix S1 H fsijce 2020... I absolutely love the caneras 🎉🎉🎉 At the noment cameras just need good cinematographers no need to keep buying or changing camera brands like clothes😅
Surely the S5 replaced the S1 line as the "hybrid" model because they realised the original S1 was too big and heavy for that sort of use, as opposed to video shooters or landscape/studio photographers who liked the weight of the S1H and S1R. If so, the S1 has had its update, and a pretty damn good one. I'd be astonished if an S1mark ii ever appears.
I really like my S5IIX. For the price, it's incredibly versatile in the number of situations I can use it in. They also released the GH7 earlier this year. This leads me to wonder the following: The delay could be a funding issue. OR... it could be Panasonic trying to decide how they fit into a teeming red ocean of a full frame market. Perhaps they've been trying to see if being the "budget" brand (that can do an awful lot of what the higher end cameras can do- just not everything) pays off. Or perhaps they focus more on dynamic range instead of resolution . There's no denying they're at a bit of a crossroads with how aggressive Nikon, Sony, Canon, and Black Magic have been . A lot of economies right now are not creating extra money in people's pockets. It could be that Panasonic is really trying to navigate their full frame releases more strategically during difficult times .
I have been shooting on Panasonic cameras (GH2, GH3, GH5, GH5s S1H and EVA1) for a long time. I still own the GH4, S1H and EVA1. Although a bit "vintage" by current gear, all these cameras still work like new and deliver great images. Sure the GH4 lags behind the S1H and EVA1, but still comes in handy as a B or C camera. Before getting the EVA1, I owned a SONY FS5 for a year, but consistently got better footage shooting Panasonic Vlog. That encouraged me to get the EVA1, and continued my Panasonic support with the S1H. I regret that Panasonic pulled out of the cinema camera market, as the EVA1 is a fantastic camera. I recall many great reviews of the Varicam models. As good as these cameras were, Panasonic chose to focus on the mirrorless camera Lumix line. I never expected MFT to advance as far as it has, and think the GH7 is a really good camera for the price. If the past is any indication, I'm confident the new iteration of the S1H will be a powerful camera and great value. I don't pretend to know the business of running Panasonic, but I wonder if Panasonic's slower, less frequent updates are a tactic to provide bigger improvements while spreading out funds out over a longer period of R&D time. Panasonic's market share is much less than Canon, Sony and Nikon, so maybe they simply can't fund R&D for faster releases. Panasonic continues to surprise us with their releases, and hope their small share of the market remains...or grows. Meanwhile, I look forward to the next S1H.
I‘m one of the people still waiting for the S1H II. The S1H is still my main camera even for commercials, even if I have the chance to shoot on the Komodo. I only prefer cameras like the RED Komodo for scenes where minimal rolling shutter is required. (I think dynamic range is actually a bit better on the S1H!) I love the dynamic range, anamorphic modes & color science. I just hope there will be a 50/60 fps and maybe even 100 fps open gate (or only minimal crop) in 10-bit with minimal rolling shutter. Also the HDMI-delay should improve. I don‘t need 8k. For 50/60p I would be ok with around 3k. Leave the Super35 modes but give us an uncropped mode :), please 🙂
I mean, the S1 was kinda replaced by the S5 when it came out. If it does come out I hope they make it more compact or keep it big and make it have dual CFexpress type Bs
I really wish Panasonic would have done a 12MP full-frame sensor with the same capabilities as the a7S III / FX3, with the Panasonic PDAF found on the S5 II / S9. Just re-use the S5 II body to keep costs down... and sell it for about $2,500. It needn't have the LED top screen, the complex tilt and swivel LCD of the GH7 / S1H. But it would need a pretty good EVF and LCD screen. Since Sony currently seels the 12MP full frame ZV-E1 for about $1,900, I don't think the $2,500 MP price would be unreasonable to achieve for Panasonic. Again, just re-use the S5 II body and it's ok if SOME of the resoultuions and frame rates have time limits. Also, Panasonic, please make a separate cable (the way that Sony has) that allows one to record timecode metadata in to the USB C port. I think Sony sells this cable for like $50. Maybe there aren't enough Panasonic users in general to make this a viable option, but if they could sell it to not only people using the S1 / S1R / S5 / S5 II AND all the poeple using the GH5 / GH5 II / GH4 / G9 / G9 II cameras, it might make financial sense.
Six years is not that long it only seems that it is because it's being compared to other camera company's like Sony who just flood the market with too many unneeded cameras. I like that Panasonic is doing it's own thing and not bending to pressure from other company's - you go Panasonic 👍👍 Myself I have always been a Canon shooter❤
My guess? Panasonic is not buying another "of the shelf" Sony 410 family sensor. Instead, I suspect they are building a new custom FF sensor that uses the same dual gain conversion logic that their GH7 sensor has. If so, Lumix "might" have the highest dynamic range of ANY full frame sensor in the world. If so, they could recover the extensive development cost by selling to other camera companies too.
I'd much rather have faster frame rates than 8k. 6k open gate is plenty of resolution. I want 6k 60p open gate. 4k 120p no crop. If the new camera has that I'm sold.
Hi I love your channel but you missed the point about Panasonic. I am a MFT GH4,5,5s FF S5 org,S5iiX Lumix shooter (with BM P4K,P6K). Shooting mostly multicam event interview docu style in the classical music world for orchestra musician Ensemble quartet mostly content creation and archive of concerts. For many user like me on budget...sub 2000$ Nikon Z6,7,8 Canon R6,R5 org,R5ii are just too expensive for the multicam setup and the job I am doing and Panasonic Blackmagic are the way to go. Cheap,reliable good image shooting Prores or B raw specially S5 org has insane price value actually with body around 700$. used. A new R5ii with 24-70 + 70-200 will cost you around 8000$...for that I can get an S5iiX sigma 60-600, ,Samyang 35-150 2-2.8 Lumix 35,50,85 1.8 and probably one more lens and the image for my used would be for video and the use I have almost as good (still in video for me Blackmagic colors are unbeatable followed with S5iiX Braw footage in sub 5000$ body price ) Most of us don't care about 8K or global shooter so much We want the best image per $ we can get so with S5ii and S5iiX we are mostly happy...and for mft shooters GH7 is an attractive camera with Arri log C and Prores raw internal for 1999$...because most of us Lumix are more into video we don't need 40 megapixels sensors 24 for 6K is enough. But we got to have arri log C color internal out of the box and Prores raw internal. For me I am very happy when the price of.Lumix is not the price of Canon specially because of the gamble with overheating even with the R5ii...I never had such problems on Lumix or Blackmagic cameras and I am recording mostly very long content like festival concerts etc...for me Canon hybrid are a no go and C400 is too expensive
If Panasonic ships another full frame camera that doesn't have 4K120, or has a 4k60 crop, they're gonna lose a lot of customers. For any manufacture, these next-gen cameras should NOT have a crop or bad slow motion. If I get a full frame camera, I want to have access to the entire sensor and not be unnecessarily restricted. I mean, the s5iix has 6K open gate, you're telling me you're going to crop the sensor and not even give me 4k120??? Who's ever decision it was at Panasonic to do this, should be fired! There are no other cameras on the market that have the same reliable features that Lumix does, but they screw up something so important as the slow motion offerings????!!!! Common Panasonic, "You Need To DO Better"!!! I feel like the s5iix is 90% of the way there for most people. I'm excited for what the s5iiix could bring, but with Panasonic's track record, which isn't as bad as Blackmagic in my opinion, it's gonna be a long while. Finally, on the next Lumix flagship camera, I would love to see two USB-C ports... One port for charging, one port for ssd recording. I don't like using a dummy battery, this is the old way, USB-C is so much better.
Every time I ask Lumix about release dates for the S1H MK 2, they give me "Well if we were working on that camera, we couldn't tell you". And they give no info on it. Pretty frustrating.
What's Panasonic doing now? Panasonic exit my country at the pandemic. No cameras, no TV, no audio equipment, nothing. You can only import o buy from grey market or independent importer. No official representative here. The S9 camera is like a defeat for Panasonic. A product that make no sense for the price. I hope DJI enter the mirrorless market soon, so people could have an alternative in the L Mount. DJI knows about video, UI, color, etc, and seems to have more ideas and more innovation and more access to capital.
And if the rumoured DJI full frame mirrorless camera is true, users have plethora of options to choose from. In that case, why will anyone choose Lumix over others?
Simon, You hit the nail on the head with your rhetorical question near the video's end. "...if you want to stay in this game?..." Panasonic has a minuscule slice of the consumer digital camera market nowadays and I suspect the muckety-mucks in Kadoma have decided that its resources are better spent elsewhere rather than on a market that is ever shrinking, being swallowed by the phone camera. Unlike, Canon and Nikon, Lumix began in 2001 and doesn't have that tradition that stems from film cameras. Even Sony bought the venerable Minolta, another company with an imaging capture tradition. Its release of the Lumix S9, while admirable appears to have flopped mightily. Whether the S9 was an ill-conceived and executed product from the get-go or they simply couldn't bring in a truly revolutionary camera for the price point is a topic for many a pub discussion. And I fear the S9 flop is yet another nail in the coffin for Lumix. From this perspective, Panasonic's tepid emphasis on issuing updates of its flagship models is understandable.
I am very sorry that you have to wait so long for the next Panasonic Flagsip camera. I hope you somehow manage and survive, because it's really so terrible, I hope people don't take to the streets and riot because of it. That Panasonic is really causing huge problems...
6K oversampled 4K is plenty. Especially for those creators who do professional work targeted to a 4K output. I still don't see any programming available in 8K or screens that can output 8K. Maybe in the cinema, but 4K output on the best available tool does have a larger market in my opinion. BTW, I am using my Canon R7 for my video. My only Panasonic cameras have been a point and shoot and the GX85, so my opinion may not be current. Yes, 6 years "IS" a very long time for the S1 MK2. This could be bad.
I wish and hope Panasonic releases a ground breaking s1hii that sells like hot cakes and they put canon and Sony on a back foot to give people better value not those overly priced gear with some good marketing,hang in there Panasonic just try to put your camera out there before Sony fx3ii or fx4 whatever and it will be other way round more people from Sony and canon will come to Panasonic for the value and quality that its cameras offer
Still no S1H II release announcement, video said October it would announce. I assume it was due to chip shortage or something else? Hoping that it will be announced soon as I sure do need 4k60fps full frame. I love my S5IIx but the crop in 60p hurts. Otherwise is great camera. Also need that PDAF with full frame 4k60p or 6K open gate 60p. As I say that Im thinking April 2025. S5iix mark II would be maybe late 2025 or early 2026. I cant wait that long. Please Panasonic just release it and beat the crap out of Sony already. The problem is that Lumix gets their chips from Sony and Sony gives them worse versions of their own chips. So that means their new Alpha line needs to be out for like 8 months before Lumix gets the Sony scraps. So that means middle to end of 2025 we will see some amazing cameras. Bummer how long all this takes. Maybe work with AMD or someone else?
Neither 6k, but that's not the point of 6k or 8k. The point is when you scale down an 8k or 6k footage to 4k the quality will be quite better than shooting directly 4k. Also if you want to crop on the footage for wildlife for example it's better to do it from 8k or 6k.
@@222jojo for me with 6k 60 and 4k 120 without crop ill buy it, if also has olpf filter like the first s1h even better. File size are already huge and in 8k 60 will be a nightmare, and heat management for now panasonic is leading, cameras don't overheat if they have active cooling.
I don’t understand why Panasonic not give good FPS to their customer, it’s a dealbreaker. + rolling shutter issue. I think it was a mistake to choose LUMIX cameras, for me. Sony is much stronger
@ordinaryfilmmaker "According to the Latest rumors from the web, we may see a Panasonic S5 R camera with a 47-megapixel BSI CMOS sensor, similar to what we have already seen in the Panasonic S1R. According to sources, the key twist is that the camera will have improved autofocus. However, the information available to us is limited, so I cannot confirm at this moment if it will indeed have a hybrid 47 MP full-frame sensor, OR a DFD one like we have seen in the Panasonic S1R." (TNC) Who knows, maybe the S line will cease to exist in favour of a S5R?
Does the Sony Venice II count as a top cinema camera? (Being used in the filming of *TOP* Gun Maverick and Avatar - The Way of Water). Over in the Sony facebook group, a well known and highly respected Cinematographer - Alistair Chapman - has opined that the excellent skin tones out of the Venice II and Burano are due to being 8K oversample 4K.
@KeithSklower skin tones have nothing to do with oversampling that's effects details skin tone would be it's colour tuning and there skin tone are fine not great. And no as 80% of major movies are shot on arri other 20% sony red and others
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I left Lumix for a year after selling gh5s. I got a7iv. I could not stay with Sony, menu system and overheating got me. Now I am back with S5ii and love it.. But I need new camera with 4k 120 uncropped with PDAF as soon as possible!
I have several cameras from different brands including a Nikon Z8, Sony A7 IV, Canon R6 … but I still prefer the Lumix S5 IIx. Its IBIS, open gate and no overheating are still unmatched by any other company. I am concerned by the future of Panasonic, though. I hope they will continue on business for a long time 🤞
I agree
@@Tinvaak Because how exactly would it work out, they havent really released anything significant. Leica is in a world of its own, and Lumix, Blackmagic consumers dont really relate to them. There were some great lens offerings however there isnt anything to use them with lol; Blackmagic had 1 camera release, Lumix also had only S5IIx(and S9 that isnt really relevant as its a hobby camera, and older lumix cameras have bad AF so people tend to not go for them unless you manual focus but thats nieche community. Lenses are also quite expensive, and you are left with 2 bodies to use them with (Leica users for sure wont use sigma or lumix lenses with Leica's exceptional offerings). They are great cameras but ts just a bad package overall. S1/R/H line was released in 2019 and never got a successor. Lumix is a great brand but they have not been competative at all, even tho they had great ideas.
If IBIS of S5II is 10/10 for, what is the score of A7 IV, especially in hand held photography?
Out of all of the camera brands, Lumix (in my opinion) has the best internal features right out of the box. They have the most flexible recording modes and true anamorphic support for those who need it. Sadly however, Lumix cameras have always been crippled by Panasonic in someway. This has been the case leading up to the s5ii and s5iix with their autofocus and in the case of the s5iix, substantial cropping in 4k60 and the lack of a 4k120 option. I am speaking as a GH5 owner. I have owned and used the GH5 since the original launch window back in 2017... I have used and owned other camera brands since, but for 2025 and beyond, I really want to come home to Lumix. Lumix sadly will always be the "almost" brand and why so many filmmakers overlook their cameras. Personally, it's really is so hard for me to pull the trigger on the s5iix because of that 1.5x crop in 4k60p and no 4k120p... That is kind of a dealbreaker for me on this generation of cameras. I hope the s1hII can bring me home to Lumix.
The difference between Panasonic and it's competitors is that Canon and Sony will put out three cameras that have significant flaws in the time that Panasonic spends getting a camera right. It's a matter of respecting your customer base
Sony also puts out a lot of the same crap in different cameras for way too much money. The s5IIx is a game changer it’s the a73 of the 2020’s to me. It just does everything and it’s a workhorse
You make it sound a little dramatic. Lumix cameras at release are years ahead of the competition. They are built to last and will work flawlessly for years. Their only problem was the autofocus, and this has been fixed for the S5 II and GH7. Next will be the updated versions of the S1, S1R and S1H. If they release a S1H II with good autofocus it will be incredible. I have a GH4 and S5 and believe it or not I still use and love both cameras. Just need to know how to pull manual focus. I do own and use a Canon R5 but never used the 8K . I use the R5 for wildlife photography. It is OK for video, but was not designed for that purpose, and lack some video features that are present in the 2014 GH4.
@@californiafarmin2145 R5ii is pretty jack of all trades.
It is unlikely that panasonic was ahead of us. The rolling shutter is worse than the competition, 4k 60p crop, autofocus is still worse than canon and Sony.
@@masterfangeek6689😂
The S1H still produces gorgeous images and the S5 has a brutal value for around 700 bucks used. That just speaks volumes in how far ahead Lumix cameras can be at release, when the competition needs half a decade to catch up. I just hope the S1H II isn't just an evolutionary Mark II update like the S5II, but a real leap forward and if thats the case, then all this waiting is worth it.
Next year might be make or break, they need a Z9 Z8 momentum. I am still a Lumix user and if the L-Mount ended right now, I think it would be sad because their is so much untapped potential. Especially after the s5 IIX
Hearing that for the last 3 years
@Kylehallphotography and every year they deliver a product or add to the alliance that gives them more time
All I want from Lumix S1H ii are: the good new autofocus from gh7, at least 15 usable stops, good performance when it comes to rolling shutter ( a stacked sensor), the ability to record internal ProRes raw. And ssd recording. The most important thing, a good price point ($3000 US). The S1H is already a good camera for filmmaker or Photographer.
"at least 15 usable stops"? only the ARRI 35 has 15,3 usable stops (SNR=2), even the ARRI Alexa classic (wich is the second best in this field) has 13,8 stops, then the Raptor X with 13,7. The S1H has 12,7 stops and the S5II/X : 12,4
Internal braw would be insane…. And pls 4k120 small crop and 4k60 no crop
Thank You for this. Been waiting for S1HII for a while. Would like it to have 4K 120 Open gate full sensor readout. Also better image stabilization and new and improved autofocus
Panasonic is right, 8K just isn't that important. This new camera cycle is just a little nuts, with the S5 versions not sure there is any need for an S1 anymore. The S1H won't be compared to the A7R line at all, that is a landscape/portrait camera that can shoot okay at best video. The S1H was always a video centric camera, I would imagine it will use some form of stacked or global shutter and have video features that will exceed the competition. If you do it right you don't need to really come out with new cameras that are merely updates to the previous model.
I will also keep an eye on Nikon after the Red acquisition, they could make some real waves as well. Time will tell.
I'm with you. I'm increasingly concerned about the company. I left Canon for Panasonic 5 years ago because I felt like Canon was abusing their customers and liked Panasonic's commitment to firmware upgrades. I've invested heavily in Lumix cameras and lenses but getting very, very close to selling it all and moving to Sony. That would be a shame because I really despise Sony's ergonomics.
Same but if Panny doesn't cut it I'm sliding to Nikon. Love my Lumix stuff but I simply want a faster sensor. That's it. Oh and a top LCD readout.
I find this obsession with new cameras silly. Take a look at the best documentaries at sundance, they are all using cams 5-8 years old.
that's TH-cam for ya. 90% of these TH-camrs don't work in the field.
@@Lu-sj6ni 90%? More like 99% of these dudes have never shot anything that wasn't coffee b-roll shots.
@@joaocorreiamedia true that lol
A DOP looking forward to a new iteration of the camera you love 5-7 years down the line isn't exactly what I'd call obsession. It's just caring for your tools is all 🤷 Having said that, I haven't looked at the news for well over a year as S1 pretty much satisfies me.
100% in agreement
They don't just need refreshments. They need more products if they want to stay in race with Canon, Nikon, Sony. Along with upgrades, more line of products for different shooting requirements like the major players already have.
I have Nikon Z9, Fuji Xt3 and LUMIX S1H. No matter how much I love the Z9 I still prefer the S1H for video work and still happy using it since it was launched . I agree it’s taking them so long to produce another iteration and if I was thinking of buying a lumix camera I wouldn’t buy the S1H now. But I would to believe that the S5X is like the demo for what Panasonic will do next.
The S1H is still a beast of a camera that compete in today’s market. Let’s hope they come up with a worth waiting S1H II.
Its now December and still no announcement, I'm about to pull the trigger on the C400 because I dont want to wait anymore :(
And that's sad. They keep losing customers. The C400 is a good camera, but still...
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker apparently there is an announcement next week, lets see.
If they use their patented internal ND system. Absolute game-changer.
Thanks for the update, I have the S1H now for years mainly for stock footage and vacations. Got the S1R a little while ago again! for the photography side of my work. Both excellent cameras it must be said. I recently got back into wildlife photography, got the new sigma 70-200mm and 500mm f5.6 so I’m invested in the L mount for some time now. The S1H is still up there for my needs but could do with an upgrade for the S1R. It’s very good but I do miss the odd shots with the focus situation, landscapes not an issue but find myself a little envious of other makes from time to time. At my age I’m not going to switch to another platform but may need to restrict my focus on what I do if things don’t develop soon.
I am largely rowing in the same boat, gear wise, with my workhorse GH5s, but I am long waiting, hoping, for a flagship S1H II with all the latest and greatest we see in Lumix today. If it gets announced and released soon, I will buy it, with great relief. I need to step up with Panasonic Lumix, which I have preferred for 10 years, or I need to change brands. I hope Panasonic Lumix is listening.
S1 is almost perfect. There are some things to be desired, of course -- but those are incremental improvements. Better built-in mics and ADC, improved (rolling) shutter performance, internal prores or RAW, higher dynamic range, punch in focus assist while recording, and a few things for convenience and a couple of minor bug-fixes is all I can think of really. Oh, of course, built-in ND would be nice but not expecting it for the DSLR form factor any time soon.
Ill order when there will be reliable and real new updates from one version to another... i am fed up with marketing ony !!
Seems to me that it's a sensor supply issue. They've wrung as much out of the Sony IMX410 as they can, and they know the next cams have to improve on it, specifically full-sensor 4K60 and reduced rolling shutter. The only improved 24MP-ish sensor we've seen since the IMX410 is the Z6III sensor, and Nikon probably has an exclusive on that for a while, and Sony might keep it for the A7V after that.
I think they are delaying in order to make it groundbreaking as is the case with most of their past releases. GH7 internal 32bit float and Arri log... wow. Yet other brand loyalists just shrug. Perhaps they wont be able to shrug with this release.
The problem with this camera is still mft. They aren't selling and Panasonic knows it. Most customers want a full frame now. It is what it is.
There is no need to incline panasonic to the megapixel race. 6k is enough for almost everything. We need to make sure that these 24 megapixels work to the maximum: make the best dynamic range of 16 plus stops, or more, better sensitivity. Make a more powerful processor, or add another one so that there is less rolling shutter, which can also open up the possibility of shooting full-fledged 6k 60p, 4k 120p. Improved autofocus. A triple base iso is possible. To work in the matrix with color, colorсines, so that it does not lead away to the magenta. That's what users and buyers want to see in this camera. This is not something revolutionary, but something that many expect and hope to get from panasonic in order to stay on this system and not switch to other systems.
I eventually sold my S1H, and used an A6700 as a stop gap, letting an S5 ii take main duties. If they made an S1H with a faster readout, less jello, no HDMI delay and decent AF that'd be enough for me TBH. In that time I've realised just good Sony cameras are now. The previous zombie skintones aren't really an issue now like they used to be. This is sad as I don't want to leave Panasonic, but they've just stalled now, and it's looking like the future is Sony. I WANT to be wrong though, as Panasonic colour is amazing. But I've already started gradually offloading L lenses now.
S1H is still a beast of camera.
i will probably buy it
A jar of 45 megapickes does sound good, but the UK picked onions are amazing😋. I don't think there's a S1 mkii..... My theory is the S1 was released, then a tech person at Panasonic or Netflix popped the question... Add a low pass filter, add a fan to extend recording times and that will be approved by Netflix! The S1H was just a "yes we can do that to get approval" 👍🏼 I'm about to sell my BMPCC4k as I was hired to shoot a horror festival and the pocket 4k was giving me lots of problems with batteries and media I've used many times before... Just way too many issues for one shoot. Looks like a S1H for me, and going back to Panasonic for the 4th time😂💥🎥👍🏼✌🏻
Man s1h the only camera that produces as beautiful image as black magic cameras with that ibis it’s real good
@@Khainchi so do I sell my Pocket 4k for the S1H 🤔 BUT... I realy like the Blackmagic RAW 4k 75fps🤔...BUT the pocket 4k eats batteries, like a dog eating cookies😂... I just don't know... Or a zcam e2 M4... I need slow-motion and 10bit video😐😔😮💨
@@stuCameraman1 wait a little bro and s1h will rather go around even cheaper you can very well keep your blackmagic p4k too 😃 as soon as s1hii came out s1h will drop in prices,and don’t take my word for it try do a lil google search and see what Hollywood pros got to say about s1h some will compare the footage coming out of this little beast with arri which is insane 👏
I switched to 2 S1 bodies and a S1H after 20 years of Nikon (D2 D3 D4 D5 etc). In the passed years I really love(d) the bodies. I bought 2 S5II bodies and really like it, but it would be great to have a fresh body with S5II+++ specs in a professional body.
I think they're going to do 8k because how I interpret that response was consumers aren't ready for 8k now and that's why it will be released at a later date 🤔
Still with Panasonic. S5 IIX. It's still the best bargain in the business for indie filmmakers. That said, I do worry about Panasonic's finances and suspect they lost a ton of money on those cameras introduced in 2018. Not sure what an S1H II could offer at this point to put LUMIX back in the game against Canon/Sony/Nikon. As you say, a lot of the differentiators have been incorporated into these competitor's flagships. I suppose the LEICA partnership might facilitate some innovation that could wrong-foot the competition and put LUMIX back ahead somehow, but no idea what that could be.
My S1 gives me 5.9k 16:9 with my Black Magic Video Assist. I really do not desire more as for as video quality.
May some better slow motion options when I need it. But I have no issues with my S1 at this time.
Weren’t you the one saying a year a go saying the wait was over? Why do you make this nonsense?
I am still happy with s5 mk1. Until there is no exact reason, i will keep on the lumix system. I also don't want to swap the camera body every 1-2-3 years. Even the lack of PDAF is still not a big deal in 2024. I have worked with canon and sony too, they are excellent cameras, but at the end of the day, this is just a personal preference to me, i am more comfortable on the lumix S line.
Panasonic company is struggling with funding. They cant sell enough mft cameras to keep up with these bigger companies. Everyone left the gh5 and went to the new canon and sony. Fujifilm stepped up and passed Panasonic. And this year even more customers are leaving.
I have owned 2, Lumix S1 H fsijce 2020... I absolutely love the caneras 🎉🎉🎉 At the noment cameras just need good cinematographers no need to keep buying or changing camera brands like clothes😅
Surely the S5 replaced the S1 line as the "hybrid" model because they realised the original S1 was too big and heavy for that sort of use, as opposed to video shooters or landscape/studio photographers who liked the weight of the S1H and S1R. If so, the S1 has had its update, and a pretty damn good one. I'd be astonished if an S1mark ii ever appears.
I really like my S5IIX. For the price, it's incredibly versatile in the number of situations I can use it in. They also released the GH7 earlier this year. This leads me to wonder the following: The delay could be a funding issue. OR... it could be Panasonic trying to decide how they fit into a teeming red ocean of a full frame market. Perhaps they've been trying to see if being the "budget" brand (that can do an awful lot of what the higher end cameras can do- just not everything) pays off. Or perhaps they focus more on dynamic range instead of resolution . There's no denying they're at a bit of a crossroads with how aggressive Nikon, Sony, Canon, and Black Magic have been . A lot of economies right now are not creating extra money in people's pockets. It could be that Panasonic is really trying to navigate their full frame releases more strategically during difficult times .
I have been shooting on Panasonic cameras (GH2, GH3, GH5, GH5s S1H and EVA1) for a long time. I still own the GH4, S1H and EVA1. Although a bit "vintage" by current gear, all these cameras still work like new and deliver great images. Sure the GH4 lags behind the S1H and EVA1, but still comes in handy as a B or C camera.
Before getting the EVA1, I owned a SONY FS5 for a year, but consistently got better footage shooting Panasonic Vlog. That encouraged me to get the EVA1, and continued my Panasonic support with the S1H.
I regret that Panasonic pulled out of the cinema camera market, as the EVA1 is a fantastic camera. I recall many great reviews of the Varicam models. As good as these cameras were, Panasonic chose to focus on the mirrorless camera Lumix line. I never expected MFT to advance as far as it has, and think the GH7 is a really good camera for the price. If the past is any indication, I'm confident the new iteration of the S1H will be a powerful camera and great value.
I don't pretend to know the business of running Panasonic, but I wonder if Panasonic's slower, less frequent updates are a tactic to provide bigger improvements while spreading out funds out over a longer period of R&D time. Panasonic's market share is much less than Canon, Sony and Nikon, so maybe they simply can't fund R&D for faster releases.
Panasonic continues to surprise us with their releases, and hope their small share of the market remains...or grows. Meanwhile, I look forward to the next S1H.
I got my S1H for 1600€ when the s5II was announced. That's such a good value for the money...
I‘m one of the people still waiting for the S1H II. The S1H is still my main camera even for commercials, even if I have the chance to shoot on the Komodo. I only prefer cameras like the RED Komodo for scenes where minimal rolling shutter is required. (I think dynamic range is actually a bit better on the S1H!)
I love the dynamic range, anamorphic modes & color science. I just hope there will be a 50/60 fps and maybe even 100 fps open gate (or only minimal crop) in 10-bit with minimal rolling shutter. Also the HDMI-delay should improve. I don‘t need 8k. For 50/60p I would be ok with around 3k. Leave the Super35 modes but give us an uncropped mode :), please 🙂
I mean, the S1 was kinda replaced by the S5 when it came out. If it does come out I hope they make it more compact or keep it big and make it have dual CFexpress type Bs
I really wish Panasonic would have done a 12MP full-frame sensor with the same capabilities as the a7S III / FX3, with the Panasonic PDAF found on the S5 II / S9. Just re-use the S5 II body to keep costs down... and sell it for about $2,500. It needn't have the LED top screen, the complex tilt and swivel LCD of the GH7 / S1H. But it would need a pretty good EVF and LCD screen. Since Sony currently seels the 12MP full frame ZV-E1 for about $1,900, I don't think the $2,500 MP price would be unreasonable to achieve for Panasonic. Again, just re-use the S5 II body and it's ok if SOME of the resoultuions and frame rates have time limits.
Also, Panasonic, please make a separate cable (the way that Sony has) that allows one to record timecode metadata in to the USB C port. I think Sony sells this cable for like $50. Maybe there aren't enough Panasonic users in general to make this a viable option, but if they could sell it to not only people using the S1 / S1R / S5 / S5 II AND all the poeple using the GH5 / GH5 II / GH4 / G9 / G9 II cameras, it might make financial sense.
Six years is not that long it only seems that it is because it's being compared to other camera company's like Sony who just flood the market with too many unneeded cameras. I like that Panasonic is doing it's own thing and not bending to pressure from other company's - you go Panasonic 👍👍 Myself I have always been a Canon shooter❤
My guess? Panasonic is
not buying another "of the shelf" Sony 410 family sensor. Instead, I suspect they are building a new custom FF sensor that uses the same dual gain conversion logic that their GH7 sensor has. If so, Lumix "might" have the highest dynamic range of ANY full frame sensor in the world. If so, they could recover the extensive development cost by selling to other camera companies too.
I'd much rather have faster frame rates than 8k. 6k open gate is plenty of resolution. I want 6k 60p open gate. 4k 120p no crop. If the new camera has that I'm sold.
id like 16 or 17 stops of dynamic range.
Hi
I love your channel but you missed the point about Panasonic.
I am a MFT GH4,5,5s FF S5 org,S5iiX Lumix shooter (with BM P4K,P6K).
Shooting mostly multicam event interview docu style in the classical music world for orchestra musician Ensemble quartet mostly content creation and archive of concerts.
For many user like me on budget...sub 2000$
Nikon Z6,7,8 Canon R6,R5 org,R5ii are just too expensive for the multicam setup and the job I am doing and Panasonic Blackmagic are the way to go.
Cheap,reliable good image shooting Prores or B raw specially S5 org has insane price value actually with body around 700$. used.
A new R5ii with 24-70 + 70-200 will cost you around 8000$...for that I can get an S5iiX sigma 60-600, ,Samyang 35-150 2-2.8 Lumix 35,50,85 1.8 and probably one more lens
and the image for my used would be for video and the use I have almost as good
(still in video for me Blackmagic colors are unbeatable followed with S5iiX Braw footage in sub 5000$ body price )
Most of us don't care about 8K or global shooter so much
We want the best image per $ we can get so with S5ii and S5iiX we are mostly happy...and for mft shooters GH7 is an attractive camera with Arri log C and Prores raw internal for 1999$...because most of us Lumix are more into video we don't need 40 megapixels sensors 24 for 6K is enough.
But we got to have arri log C color internal out of the box and Prores raw internal.
For me I am very happy when the price of.Lumix is not the price of Canon specially because of the gamble with overheating even with the R5ii...I never had such problems on Lumix or Blackmagic cameras and I am recording mostly very long content like festival concerts etc...for me Canon hybrid are a no go and C400 is too expensive
If Panasonic ships another full frame camera that doesn't have 4K120, or has a 4k60 crop, they're gonna lose a lot of customers. For any manufacture, these next-gen cameras should NOT have a crop or bad slow motion. If I get a full frame camera, I want to have access to the entire sensor and not be unnecessarily restricted. I mean, the s5iix has 6K open gate, you're telling me you're going to crop the sensor and not even give me 4k120??? Who's ever decision it was at Panasonic to do this, should be fired! There are no other cameras on the market that have the same reliable features that Lumix does, but they screw up something so important as the slow motion offerings????!!!! Common Panasonic, "You Need To DO Better"!!! I feel like the s5iix is 90% of the way there for most people. I'm excited for what the s5iiix could bring, but with Panasonic's track record, which isn't as bad as Blackmagic in my opinion, it's gonna be a long while. Finally, on the next Lumix flagship camera, I would love to see two USB-C ports... One port for charging, one port for ssd recording. I don't like using a dummy battery, this is the old way, USB-C is so much better.
No excuses for that anymore... too many cameras have it.
Every time I ask Lumix about release dates for the S1H MK 2, they give me "Well if we were working on that camera, we couldn't tell you". And they give no info on it. Pretty frustrating.
So far haven't seen any competition catch up especially in good ibis
What's Panasonic doing now?
Panasonic exit my country at the pandemic. No cameras, no TV, no audio equipment, nothing. You can only import o buy from grey market or independent importer. No official representative here.
The S9 camera is like a defeat for Panasonic. A product that make no sense for the price.
I hope DJI enter the mirrorless market soon, so people could have an alternative in the L Mount. DJI knows about video, UI, color, etc, and seems to have more ideas and more innovation and more access to capital.
The S9 is a best seller though
And if the rumoured DJI full frame mirrorless camera is true, users have plethora of options to choose from. In that case, why will anyone choose Lumix over others?
Need the S1H II to drop, so I can buy my brother in laws S5II xD
S1H 2? 120 Fps 4k???
Simon, You hit the nail on the head with your rhetorical question near the video's end. "...if you want to stay in this game?..." Panasonic has a minuscule slice of the consumer digital camera market nowadays and I suspect the muckety-mucks in Kadoma have decided that its resources are better spent elsewhere rather than on a market that is ever shrinking, being swallowed by the phone camera. Unlike, Canon and Nikon, Lumix began in 2001 and doesn't have that tradition that stems from film cameras. Even Sony bought the venerable Minolta, another company with an imaging capture tradition. Its release of the Lumix S9, while admirable appears to have flopped mightily. Whether the S9 was an ill-conceived and executed product from the get-go or they simply couldn't bring in a truly revolutionary camera for the price point is a topic for many a pub discussion. And I fear the S9 flop is yet another nail in the coffin for Lumix. From this perspective, Panasonic's tepid emphasis on issuing updates of its flagship models is understandable.
How is the S9 a flop when it's selling well?
Philosophy of Panasonic Cameras: "Our best camera is our latest camera"
I am very sorry that you have to wait so long for the next Panasonic Flagsip camera. I hope you somehow manage and survive, because it's really so terrible, I hope people don't take to the streets and riot because of it. That Panasonic is really causing huge problems...
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6K oversampled 4K is plenty. Especially for those creators who do professional work targeted to a 4K output. I still don't see any programming available in 8K or screens that can output 8K. Maybe in the cinema, but 4K output on the best available tool does have a larger market in my opinion.
BTW, I am using my Canon R7 for my video. My only Panasonic cameras have been a point and shoot and the GX85, so my opinion may not be current.
Yes, 6 years "IS" a very long time for the S1 MK2. This could be bad.
I wish and hope Panasonic releases a ground breaking s1hii that sells like hot cakes and they put canon and Sony on a back foot to give people better value not those overly priced gear with some good marketing,hang in there Panasonic just try to put your camera out there before Sony fx3ii or fx4 whatever and it will be other way round more people from Sony and canon will come to Panasonic for the value and quality that its cameras offer
Panasonic has the troubles but its Canon thats laying people off.
for video we don't need 8k
24mpx is enough
Only a few more months :)
I would take nd filters or better videos specs at 4k over 8k. Especially with ai upscaling becoming amazing
Still no S1H II release announcement, video said October it would announce. I assume it was due to chip shortage or something else? Hoping that it will be announced soon as I sure do need 4k60fps full frame. I love my S5IIx but the crop in 60p hurts. Otherwise is great camera. Also need that PDAF with full frame 4k60p or 6K open gate 60p. As I say that Im thinking April 2025. S5iix mark II would be maybe late 2025 or early 2026. I cant wait that long. Please Panasonic just release it and beat the crap out of Sony already.
The problem is that Lumix gets their chips from Sony and Sony gives them worse versions of their own chips. So that means their new Alpha line needs to be out for like 8 months before Lumix gets the Sony scraps. So that means middle to end of 2025 we will see some amazing cameras. Bummer how long all this takes. Maybe work with AMD or someone else?
I don't know anyone who has an 8K display...
Neither 6k, but that's not the point of 6k or 8k. The point is when you scale down an 8k or 6k footage to 4k the quality will be quite better than shooting directly 4k. Also if you want to crop on the footage for wildlife for example it's better to do it from 8k or 6k.
@@Just-Nico True but will they give 8K 60 or 120? File size and heat management become the issues unless your shooting in small bursts
@@222jojo for me with 6k 60 and 4k 120 without crop ill buy it, if also has olpf filter like the first s1h even better. File size are already huge and in 8k 60 will be a nightmare, and heat management for now panasonic is leading, cameras don't overheat if they have active cooling.
Come on man, you’ve already blown up the internet before with your ‘huge’ rumors about S1II. Nothing happened. Why would you be reliable now? 🧐🤨
I don’t understand why Panasonic not give good FPS to their customer, it’s a dealbreaker. + rolling shutter issue. I think it was a mistake to choose LUMIX cameras, for me. Sony is much stronger
Source = Andreas
Dude 24mp is good for a cinema based camera literally arri use 4k-6k plus r5ii has dreadful dynamic range s1hmk2 has 17stops
Well it’s October and still nothing. Instead we got junk firmware updates. Looks like 2025
Two R5’s in six years. What is the time between first and second R5. Thatcher is wat counts
@ordinaryfilmmaker "According to the Latest rumors from the web, we may see a Panasonic S5 R camera with a 47-megapixel BSI CMOS sensor, similar to what we have already seen in the Panasonic S1R. According to sources, the key twist is that the camera will have improved autofocus. However, the information available to us is limited, so I cannot confirm at this moment if it will indeed have a hybrid 47 MP full-frame sensor, OR a DFD one like we have seen in the Panasonic S1R." (TNC)
Who knows, maybe the S line will cease to exist in favour of a S5R?
Lumix is a smaller brand that's why it takes longer to produce a camera.
True 8k is pointless even top cinema cameras like arri don't even do 8k
Does the Sony Venice II count as a top cinema camera? (Being used in the filming of *TOP* Gun Maverick and Avatar - The Way of Water). Over in the Sony facebook group, a well known and highly respected Cinematographer - Alistair Chapman - has opined that the excellent skin tones out of the Venice II and Burano are due to being 8K oversample 4K.
@KeithSklower skin tones have nothing to do with oversampling that's effects details skin tone would be it's colour tuning and there skin tone are fine not great. And no as 80% of major movies are shot on arri other 20% sony red and others
6 years is fine and canon still hasn't created and impressive camera as r5ii dynamic range is even worse than the already bad r5
What happened to your finger
No lumix customer would buy a nikon or sony as there just bad
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If they use their patented internal ND system. Absolute game-changer.
What happened to your finger