I love how both casual and professional this whole podcast is. It feels like a conversation between 2 close friends, but over topics that actually matter with some laughs in the middle.
Whole conversation: Shintaro: So I was Travis: Hold Shintaro Shintaro: When it comes.... Travis: Hold on.... Shintaro: *Passes gas* Travis: Hold on Shintaro
I like your idea of a toolbox of throws and combinations into certain throws. We train at our Judo Club real-world Judo and I myself only train real-world Judo because of my age and LE work, everything into submission, a throw into a wristlock, arm locks and we use ankle and leg locks. I don't compete so I don't worry too much about actual IJF Rules and train for real-world situations because of my LE work. A person will always react in a stressful situation how you train and that's why I train like that because I've had to use some Judo in my work and the reaction is exactly the way I choose to train. I was a high school wrestler and we incorporate that in our Judo and we single and double leg takedowns. Good stuff
Thanks very much for this Shintaro and Travis! Loving it. Please put together the judo toolbox idea. I would gladly pay for it. The BJJ community is far ahead of judo in terms of characterizing different games or styles. Judo is still very often taught as isolated techniques. Looking forward to The Toolbox!
I think it would add a ton of value for people. I also think it would help people identify what type of judo they should be learning to get better faster!
Thank you, I appreciate the idea you guys both agree waiving Judo memberships due to family situation or just not having these funds cuz something happened. I can relate so much but I do offer to give back in the whatever way because that’s how I offer myself to give back.
Hey Travis! That British Kid here! I’m 23 now, been competing for the US for the last 6 years, I was hoping my 2 wins in Paris would have caught your attention when you were there watching, but I’ll try and get into the top 8 next time.
Wasn't watching really in Paris. I was speaking to some athletes about making some instructional for Judo Fanatics. But to be frank being in the top of an event is easy it just means you have to make the quarters which means you need one significant win. You're not really setting the bar that high entering an event looking to try and only have one win of importance. You should am a little higher or go to an event that is more your speed. While getting experience is great there is a better way to do it.
Travis Stevens I have been competing at the European Opens/Cups and have been medaling there while also competing and winning matches regularly at the grand slams/prixs to gain more world ranking points. And top 8 at a Grand Slam is a realistic goal for me that I would then be able to build higher goals from.
I have watched your video, very often. this is good conversation about judo. im korean living in Seoul. always thank you. im not good at English to write details. sorry
You two are great together! You should do that more often. I didn't know judo was so badly marketed in the US. Here in Europe I think it is handled quiet ok I guess. I am from germany and I just assumed every country had a league system like the Bundesliga lol
Run it like a Franchise and have all Judo Clubs pay into the Franchise and then the Franchise can provide certain services to all the Franchised Judo Clubs
Thank you both. Hope you guys make it up to the Seattle tacoma area for a seminar sometime. I missed you travis in Seattle a few years back with Haria bros
That’s what I love about grappling, learning a throw is like catching a pokemon. Mastering a throw is like getting that pokemon leveled up enough so you can challenge a gym master. And you’ll need enough variety with your mastered throws so you can take on different types of fighters. Not a huge variety but like water fire air earth you’ll need forwards backwards hip or foot
Travis is the alpha judo needs. Im thinking of going back to judo after being discouraged by the meathead black belt judokas who didnt seperate us into bubbles like you said when I started 7 years ago. Im a BJJ blue belt, japanese JJ Black belt now.
These videos never stop giving. I think one benefit of the japanese language as the professional jargon is that it's universal for judo. Like having your own language as the jargon just creates another barrier if you produce your content for everyone. I'm lost in the lingo when I need to communicate at my dojo in Finnish and I know some of the stuff by American youtubers and some in Finnish and trying to parse then with Japanese. It makes sense to me to talk about it in Japanese terms because the baggage grows too big the more languages you add to your resources of judo. God forbid I don't know French and don't follow French judo instructions too. And then when the experienced players/teachers hold seminars and if they have their own lingo, it's just learning yet another lingo over learning the judo message in that short session. Here we basically start with Finnish, teaching the basics of judo skills before techniques and a couple of dojo words like mokuso, rei, hajime, mate, owari. Those signal words for practice. Then slowly as the people graduate belts and learn more complicated concepts, there's slow increase of japanese terminology introduced like kuzushi, hidari, ai-yotsu, hikite, yaku-soku-geiko, newaza, osaekomi. Like in every profession there is some nonsensical terminology you speak with colleagues and they understand the exact intention of your words. The japanese words have slightly different meaning like Travis described. Sensei is the teacher in front of the class, coach is the person who gives you personal practice for competition, professor is the person who studied academics for 7 years, did research and had a doctoral thesis and teaches and researches in university. And I could never say "sleeve-lift-pull-sweep throw" with a straight face, even less in Finnish. I tried making a dictionary for the japanese in throw names to remember them easier and understand how they're categorized, and the translations became so clunky (although helpful to understand what the technique's name inform about the technique and how it should be performed). What Shintaro said about price signaling is something you'd wanna see. In terms of higher price = higher quality. It's not a coincidence every competitive judoka moved to Boston at a time. I think these days customers are slowly growing to the idea of the less you pay, the more you compromise. And there are customers who are yearning for good quality, not just to pay to technically get the product. I've started seeing it happen that as long as your reputation and knowledge gets spread, you don't have to compete in only the price, people will come to you because of your skills and pay for what you got that others don't. Shintaro also said a great thing about randori. Adults aren't used to tumbling anymore, they lack in movement unlike kids. Also judo is terrible for your health if you don't have movement, relaxation and strategy in mind. When I was in a beginner class back in time, I think we got into randori way too early (people in their early 20's, not kids but not stiff adults either). It was a source of lot of foot and hand minor injuries like bruises and soreness, because we had no idea what we were doing. We just tried to throw each other without understanding grappling, off balance or the most important part: being relaxed, not using strength unnecessarily, and not trying to force and kill each other in practice - tuning down to 50-70% even though it's a wannabe match. We weren't taught how to do free practice and keep it practice and learning, giving in a bit for learning etc. It was a negative experience to learning, not positive. It didn't give us more than knowing that what we do doesn't work, and bruises. It was so god damn confusing and just burned you out for all the effort. Now randori feels interesting, having multiple techniques down, gripping, knowing a bit of transition, kuzushi/combinations and just feeling the balance and direction of movement rather than trying to wrestle someone into what you want to do. Being able to chill and also give your partner some leeway to try things out. At least in the local club the higher belts are really good at understanding the roles and what's important and in more free form practice or randori they don't give you things for free and punish you for mistakes, but they don't attempt to dominate you. They give you tips and chill down. I've tried to learn the same qualities when I'm paired up with white or yellow belts because I respect that attitude so much. When you're paired with someone less experienced in practice, it's your responsibility to grow your "opponent" to match your level in the future and realize that you don't get much practice from dominating someone less experienced, you need to be smart and technical and use the opportunity to fine tune some things you can't against an equal opponent, and that it's more about them than you in that context. They can get so much out of you if you do it right that you see them grow in front of your very eyes. I also love how here many instructors run a sort of tough warm ups for beginners that include movements that are beneficial for tachiwaza and newaza, and then do very basics like ukemi practice, basics of newaza and stuff that you need to learn, but that also allows your body some time to adapt to the physicality through that warm up so you're more ready physically when they start teaching the throws. TH-cam is actually fantastic in terms of I'd have never encountered Travis or Shintaro or heard about their dojos or how much educational content they're putting out there without youtube. I can't even remember how they got into my radar or youtube feed, but you really do need those gateways into something. The world is too big and full of things to randomly stumble on something good. Of course people who are inside know Travis and Shintaro, people who competed nationally or internationally in US or against them. A dude in Finland would never know. And just being exposed to them got me to see athletes in my own nation that I'd never heard about and all the opportunities for judo around me. Until university I hadn't ever even been in touch with judo anywhere. Even though my cousin did judo as a kid, the only thing I remember was some picture of him in gi as a kid. I think what Travis said about athleticism in the US is just what I've been wondering. Because Shintaro talks a lot about crash pads and being soft and slow with adults starting judo and how people can't handle the throws, and I keep wondering what is it about. Because I know nobody who's in that shape that they can't, agter learning ukemis and practicing the throws a bit, get thrown on tatami and be ok with it. Sure it gets a bit exhausting after a bit but not a problem per se. And I keep wondering if people just aren't doing anything there until their 30's. I feel like what I did as a kid not even practicing any sport in a club (as a little kid I did playe ice hockey for a couple of years but after that it was just casual and general being outside) has carried all the way to my 30's. Maybe the weekly school PE classes too until 16yo. Like I did a bit of weightlifting in the recent years before getting back to judo after like 10 years of being passive, and it was the warm ups that got to me, not the throws. To be fair I think the education here too should have PE in every school all the way to the university. It would not only be good for staying active, but it'd be a welcome break from studying in front of a computer and keep your mind in better shape in ever more stressful school life. Just huge benefits at every area of life.
You're absolutely correct about so many issues. And for the record, I am trying to learn some Judo off of you're online stuff on BJJ fanatics, same with Shintaro's and Matt D'Aquino, (go support them and buy their material). But I will also say this, Judo needs to evolve a little. Judo has so many amazing techniques, and range, between the stand up section and the ground section. But competitions have pushed Judo into being a little bit just wrestling in a kimono. Aside from being an Olympic sport with the focus on the ippon from a throw, we should be seeing the leg take downs, the fireman's carry and we should also get to see high level judoka competing in and placing well against BJJ, as well as having it's own no gi comps and classes. No evolution leads to stagnation, new things pop up and take its place.
I'm not so sure I agree with judo being like wrestling. If anything we have moved away from wrestling since taking out the leg grabs. But I do think there should be some evolution of judo. But I wouldn't go to crazy with it.
The problem isn’t judo not being in UFC, it’s that BJJ is primarily marketing and secondarily an effective fighting system. So BJJ’s advantage is the mindset that created UFC 1.
I am a Judo Beginner. Not a nativ english speaker. It helps alot that almost the whole world uses the same names for the techniques and throws. Searching and learning them is much easier. If the US would use own names and europeans would use others you would have to translate them everytime. It's already annyoing with pounds and kilos.
In regards to the hawaii high school judo topic, there are several dilemmas. For the beginners starting in high school, you have one month to learn the sport before you compete (due to them prohibiting contact practice in the off season. This essentially means that you have to learn how to fall for 2 weeks, then get another 2 weeks to learn a basic throw. These beginners then go on to compete WEEKLY against club players who are often 1dan athletes. In the end, the beginners do shitty and get destroyed. And the club players get a false sense of confidence due to winning against the beginners, and thus have no development of grip fighting or advanced tactics. Another issue for the good athletes is that this state does not host any nationally ranked tournaments. You have to spend a lot of money to travel to the mainland, get a hotel and compete. So its very difficult to climb up the national rankings. And because of this, a lot of Athletes quit judo after high school, there aren't many opportunities for young adults
School coaches do get paid. In most districts. Judo can 100% be funded in schools if we had available coaches. There are plenty of grants that would easily allow multiple schools in a district to get mats and Gis. Not to mention sponsorships from companies and local business. Men can coach women sports, including judo. The real barrier to getting judo in schools is the amount of qualified instructors.
I can tell you that in our Judo Club all new students are not put with advanced students and only our Brown/Black Belts can work with the new students so no one gets hurt
"How tf do you get anything done when everyone's a volunteer" gotta go ask people who arrange big lan parties. Here in my area they had a level of show where professional event organizers were surprised of how amazing it was, while majority of the people were volunteers. Nerds are passionate and able it seems. The way you guys describe judo in US is so foreign to me living in Finland. Almost all the dojos are just sort of the club of the town and it's in most towns, the cost is maybe around (my local club as a reference) 115 euros per semester (fall and spring semesters) as practice fee to the club and if you want to graduate a belt or compete, you pay the 110 euros fee to the national judo federation and get an insurance. It's also mind-boggling to think that a dojo would have 200 students and 7 am to 6 pm worth of classes. I think the local club's schedule is maybe 4-6 hours a day at best. Here the judo federation I believe helps athletes find personal coaches and fund their training camps and travel fees, food expenses, offers them nutritional education among other things. The capital city has probably two or three clubs but otherwise it's not much of a competition of dojos rather than community thing. Except my university also had a judo club, community thing as well. They're usually registered associations with program and development plans. The local town clubs offer beginner classes for juniors and adults, classes for people who continue after the beginner class that's more of a hobby, competitive groups and kata groups, so pretty wide variety of judo training in general. I was surprised (after the uni club) how many black belts there were in the practice session teaching and training in the local club. However most of the training partners were in the range of 1-2 belts if not the same, people naturally matched. It was fun to have a bit of mismatch to see what's different when you get more experienced, and it was really useful to have the black belts or brown belts to watch when repeating techniques, or to get tips from. However, the funniest thing was that the most challenging ne-waza randori partner was a 14 year old yellow belt as opposed to these green belts. He had energy and intention, not a wide variety of techniques or honed skill, but he went for it. Of course the beginner classes are only beginners and teachers, you gotta wonder who thinks it's good to have a black belt just manhandle beginners. I totally understand it when someone of olympian level offers his expertise in his own dojo, like Pedro and Stevens, for a reasonable fee. It's for people wanting to get really good and further progress their skill and understanding. Value worth money and entrepreneurship raising the skill level in general (tide raises all boats they say). For a poor guy having gotten used to local town clubs, almost double the semester price a month sounded shocking, but for getting an olympian to coach them it sounds reasonable. Just like for a competitive athlete having a personal coach the price is in relation to the higher value. And not just any guy but someone worth the time, like say a certification that has prestige or competitive merits (doesn't guarantee teaching skills but a good proxy for assuming they know what they're talking about). At the same time to think that you could get judo for free at any level is just as ridiculous to me. Personally I would love attending competitions even as a yellow belt once I get more used to judo again, just to feel the more practical side of judo with evolving strategies. And to learn more quickly by 1. sparring with more skilled people 2. sparring with people coming from different teachers. Personally I don't get why people don't get excited about the possibility to stress test the skill they have learned and to get hands on experience. Travis' example of donation versus trade is also pretty wild. I always thought the charity game is an american thing, but I've heard beggars around here also make a ton of money just because they sit there and so many people drop something. Like there's actually sort of "mafia" ring placing beggars on the streets and collecting their money at the end of the day because it pays so well. Yet when you're offered to get something back for your money, suddenly there's no money to be had.
One thing that I have experienced now as someone who came back to the sport of BJJ and Judo after having met Travis which was great, was dealing with the infrastructure around these Martial Arts Schools. The billing systems that many schools use such as Affiliated Acceptance Corporation are horrible to deal with. When I signed up I read through the contract and frankly it is a Loan, a literal loan that goes on your credit. Which auto renews upon completion of the term. The company itself made the ideas of going back to Jits seem not even worth it. These payment processing companies many schools use are scummy, they treat you like a thief and cheat for simple questions or when you need to skip a payment for valid reasons. Sadly I tore a tendon in my shoulder and that means I am done for the year. I loath dealing with these collection type companies when it comes to something as simple as the billing of your account. Look them up and you will see the countless bad reviews. Its a bad mark not only on them, but the schools that use them. Many people opt to not return simply because they hate dealing with these companies, me included. I doubt I want to deal with them even after I heal up. My hope is that Martial Arts Schools listen to this issues because there are many easier alternatives that don't require contracts that feel like scummy car deal contracts. Its a business end issue that many people who do BJJ and Judo have even brought up to me when I said something. Just a thought and a point from my perspective, big hug from Vegas.
If Bravo can redo names and styles for BJJ and call it crazy stuff, you might as well redo Judo for the new market and give it a go. Then you can run new style Judo Comps with new rulesets and watch it grow. It worked in BJJ.
Is it possible that a major problem of Judo is that it's much more accessible for younger players (compared to BJJ being very accessible up to your 50s and beyond), and therefore your target audience just have less money.
Re. Judo terminology, the beauty of having a universal language is that everyone knows what you are referring to, no matter where you go to train. Medicine has a universal language of Latin names so that doctors and other medical professionals can immediately understand the aetiology and symptoms of a disease. I think that once you get rid of the use of universal terms, Judo will begin to splinter in terms of use of techniques. Suddenly you will get a thousand different versions of Judo so that there is no longer an identifiable body of work and concepts which everyone can identify as being Judo.
Drutgat While I do agree with you the only thing I would say is we are already there. A lot of people have come up with a bunch of "spin off techniques" that the Kodokan has classified as the core move. Which in turn makes it extremely difficult to teach.
@jqn8361 well it's not judo, but jiu jitsu has been pretty fun! I enjoy the challenge, and I enjoy the activity! Once I get of 2nd shift judo will become more of a reality!
The judo toolbox idea with the different types of judokas sounds like an awesome idea.
I'm glad you think so!
I would definitely love to see what throws are under each category
@@TravisStevensgrappling I would definitely buy a BJJ fanatics instructional that explored all that.
@@TravisStevensgrappling did you guys ever make any progress on this?
@@TravisStevensgrappling yo did you ever manage this?
Love the idea of letting leg grabs for takedown without points
Right I thought it would be a great middle ground. You should be aloud to defend yourself with it.
I love how both casual and professional this whole podcast is. It feels like a conversation between 2 close friends, but over topics that actually matter with some laughs in the middle.
Loved this. A great game would be to drink every time Travis asks Shintaro “you want to hear something crazy?”
LMAO!!! Thats to funny.
Judo for Self defence? YES PLEASE!
2 of my favourite Judo practitioners. I subscribed to both of you today before I came across this collaboration
Welcome to the community Daniyal Ali! This should be a wild ride. I hope you continue to enjoy the content I'm throwing up here on TH-cam!
Whole conversation:
Shintaro: So I was
Travis: Hold Shintaro
Shintaro: When it comes....
Travis: Hold on....
Shintaro: *Passes gas*
Travis: Hold on Shintaro
Man, I love all the ideas you propose! The leg grabs without scores, and the judo toolbox sound amazing! Hope to see bothof them one day!
I like your idea of a toolbox of throws and combinations into certain throws. We train at our Judo Club real-world Judo and I myself only train real-world Judo because of my age and LE work, everything into submission, a throw into a wristlock, arm locks and we use ankle and leg locks. I don't compete so I don't worry too much about actual IJF Rules and train for real-world situations because of my LE work. A person will always react in a stressful situation how you train and that's why I train like that because I've had to use some Judo in my work and the reaction is exactly the way I choose to train. I was a high school wrestler and we incorporate that in our Judo and we single and double leg takedowns. Good stuff
Thanks very much for this Shintaro and Travis! Loving it. Please put together the judo toolbox idea. I would gladly pay for it. The BJJ community is far ahead of judo in terms of characterizing different games or styles. Judo is still very often taught as isolated techniques. Looking forward to The Toolbox!
I'm glad you like the idea of this. It would take a ton of work to map out and to find a way to present it to make since.
Would love to see a video about your idea of "box/bucket" judo types and what to focus on for each of these type of body types/players
I think it would add a ton of value for people. I also think it would help people identify what type of judo they should be learning to get better faster!
Thank you, I appreciate the idea you guys both agree waiving Judo memberships due to family situation or just not having these funds cuz something happened. I can relate so much but I do offer to give back in the whatever way because that’s how I offer myself to give back.
Hey Travis! That British Kid here! I’m 23 now, been competing for the US for the last 6 years, I was hoping my 2 wins in Paris would have caught your attention when you were there watching, but I’ll try and get into the top 8 next time.
Wasn't watching really in Paris. I was speaking to some athletes about making some instructional for Judo Fanatics. But to be frank being in the top of an event is easy it just means you have to make the quarters which means you need one significant win. You're not really setting the bar that high entering an event looking to try and only have one win of importance. You should am a little higher or go to an event that is more your speed. While getting experience is great there is a better way to do it.
Travis Stevens I have been competing at the European Opens/Cups and have been medaling there while also competing and winning matches regularly at the grand slams/prixs to gain more world ranking points. And top 8 at a Grand Slam is a realistic goal for me that I would then be able to build higher goals from.
what a brilliant, insightful session. thanks Travis and Shintaro, I learned so damn much. very entertaining too. keep it up and again, many thanks.
Thanks Mikey! I'm glad you enjoy the content!
I have watched your video, very often. this is good conversation about judo. im korean living in Seoul. always thank you. im not good at English to write details. sorry
Hey Jude! Thanks for watching. I'm glad you liked the video. And good luck training in Seoul.
You two are great together! You should do that more often.
I didn't know judo was so badly marketed in the US. Here in Europe I think it is handled quiet ok I guess. I am from germany and I just assumed every country had a league system like the Bundesliga lol
Watching from the Philippines! Judo gods!
kodokan: everything is Japanese because it’s a Japanese art and to make it easier to recognize the move across countries
Travis: SPEAK ENGLISH DAMNIT
Run it like a Franchise and have all Judo Clubs pay into the Franchise and then the Franchise can provide certain services to all the Franchised Judo Clubs
Loved the banter between these two gents.
Thank you both. Hope you guys make it up to the Seattle tacoma area for a seminar sometime. I missed you travis in Seattle a few years back with Haria bros
Maybe one day! It's hard to say with everything going on in the world.
That’s what I love about grappling, learning a throw is like catching a pokemon. Mastering a throw is like getting that pokemon leveled up enough so you can challenge a gym master. And you’ll need enough variety with your mastered throws so you can take on different types of fighters. Not a huge variety but like water fire air earth you’ll need forwards backwards hip or foot
It took me 1.5 years to pull off Osoto in randori.
I have stopped Judo for years now, but Osoto is the only throw I can pull off in BJJ training.
As a female who’s played multiple sports 90% of my coaches have been men. Dads/ Ex-Players And they were awesome.
Travis is the alpha judo needs. Im thinking of going back to judo after being discouraged by the meathead black belt judokas who didnt seperate us into bubbles like you said when I started 7 years ago. Im a BJJ blue belt, japanese JJ Black belt now.
Love the idea of Judo for body types and what would suit different people.
Thank you brothers. Much appreciated and learning.
These videos never stop giving. I think one benefit of the japanese language as the professional jargon is that it's universal for judo. Like having your own language as the jargon just creates another barrier if you produce your content for everyone. I'm lost in the lingo when I need to communicate at my dojo in Finnish and I know some of the stuff by American youtubers and some in Finnish and trying to parse then with Japanese. It makes sense to me to talk about it in Japanese terms because the baggage grows too big the more languages you add to your resources of judo. God forbid I don't know French and don't follow French judo instructions too. And then when the experienced players/teachers hold seminars and if they have their own lingo, it's just learning yet another lingo over learning the judo message in that short session.
Here we basically start with Finnish, teaching the basics of judo skills before techniques and a couple of dojo words like mokuso, rei, hajime, mate, owari. Those signal words for practice. Then slowly as the people graduate belts and learn more complicated concepts, there's slow increase of japanese terminology introduced like kuzushi, hidari, ai-yotsu, hikite, yaku-soku-geiko, newaza, osaekomi. Like in every profession there is some nonsensical terminology you speak with colleagues and they understand the exact intention of your words. The japanese words have slightly different meaning like Travis described. Sensei is the teacher in front of the class, coach is the person who gives you personal practice for competition, professor is the person who studied academics for 7 years, did research and had a doctoral thesis and teaches and researches in university.
And I could never say "sleeve-lift-pull-sweep throw" with a straight face, even less in Finnish. I tried making a dictionary for the japanese in throw names to remember them easier and understand how they're categorized, and the translations became so clunky (although helpful to understand what the technique's name inform about the technique and how it should be performed).
What Shintaro said about price signaling is something you'd wanna see. In terms of higher price = higher quality. It's not a coincidence every competitive judoka moved to Boston at a time. I think these days customers are slowly growing to the idea of the less you pay, the more you compromise. And there are customers who are yearning for good quality, not just to pay to technically get the product. I've started seeing it happen that as long as your reputation and knowledge gets spread, you don't have to compete in only the price, people will come to you because of your skills and pay for what you got that others don't.
Shintaro also said a great thing about randori. Adults aren't used to tumbling anymore, they lack in movement unlike kids. Also judo is terrible for your health if you don't have movement, relaxation and strategy in mind. When I was in a beginner class back in time, I think we got into randori way too early (people in their early 20's, not kids but not stiff adults either). It was a source of lot of foot and hand minor injuries like bruises and soreness, because we had no idea what we were doing. We just tried to throw each other without understanding grappling, off balance or the most important part: being relaxed, not using strength unnecessarily, and not trying to force and kill each other in practice - tuning down to 50-70% even though it's a wannabe match. We weren't taught how to do free practice and keep it practice and learning, giving in a bit for learning etc. It was a negative experience to learning, not positive. It didn't give us more than knowing that what we do doesn't work, and bruises. It was so god damn confusing and just burned you out for all the effort. Now randori feels interesting, having multiple techniques down, gripping, knowing a bit of transition, kuzushi/combinations and just feeling the balance and direction of movement rather than trying to wrestle someone into what you want to do. Being able to chill and also give your partner some leeway to try things out. At least in the local club the higher belts are really good at understanding the roles and what's important and in more free form practice or randori they don't give you things for free and punish you for mistakes, but they don't attempt to dominate you. They give you tips and chill down. I've tried to learn the same qualities when I'm paired up with white or yellow belts because I respect that attitude so much. When you're paired with someone less experienced in practice, it's your responsibility to grow your "opponent" to match your level in the future and realize that you don't get much practice from dominating someone less experienced, you need to be smart and technical and use the opportunity to fine tune some things you can't against an equal opponent, and that it's more about them than you in that context. They can get so much out of you if you do it right that you see them grow in front of your very eyes. I also love how here many instructors run a sort of tough warm ups for beginners that include movements that are beneficial for tachiwaza and newaza, and then do very basics like ukemi practice, basics of newaza and stuff that you need to learn, but that also allows your body some time to adapt to the physicality through that warm up so you're more ready physically when they start teaching the throws.
TH-cam is actually fantastic in terms of I'd have never encountered Travis or Shintaro or heard about their dojos or how much educational content they're putting out there without youtube. I can't even remember how they got into my radar or youtube feed, but you really do need those gateways into something. The world is too big and full of things to randomly stumble on something good. Of course people who are inside know Travis and Shintaro, people who competed nationally or internationally in US or against them. A dude in Finland would never know. And just being exposed to them got me to see athletes in my own nation that I'd never heard about and all the opportunities for judo around me. Until university I hadn't ever even been in touch with judo anywhere. Even though my cousin did judo as a kid, the only thing I remember was some picture of him in gi as a kid.
I think what Travis said about athleticism in the US is just what I've been wondering. Because Shintaro talks a lot about crash pads and being soft and slow with adults starting judo and how people can't handle the throws, and I keep wondering what is it about. Because I know nobody who's in that shape that they can't, agter learning ukemis and practicing the throws a bit, get thrown on tatami and be ok with it. Sure it gets a bit exhausting after a bit but not a problem per se. And I keep wondering if people just aren't doing anything there until their 30's. I feel like what I did as a kid not even practicing any sport in a club (as a little kid I did playe ice hockey for a couple of years but after that it was just casual and general being outside) has carried all the way to my 30's. Maybe the weekly school PE classes too until 16yo. Like I did a bit of weightlifting in the recent years before getting back to judo after like 10 years of being passive, and it was the warm ups that got to me, not the throws. To be fair I think the education here too should have PE in every school all the way to the university. It would not only be good for staying active, but it'd be a welcome break from studying in front of a computer and keep your mind in better shape in ever more stressful school life. Just huge benefits at every area of life.
Fully agree w u travis.
You're absolutely correct about so many issues. And for the record, I am trying to learn some Judo off of you're online stuff on BJJ fanatics, same with Shintaro's and Matt D'Aquino, (go support them and buy their material). But I will also say this, Judo needs to evolve a little.
Judo has so many amazing techniques, and range, between the stand up section and the ground section. But competitions have pushed Judo into being a little bit just wrestling in a kimono. Aside from being an Olympic sport with the focus on the ippon from a throw, we should be seeing the leg take downs, the fireman's carry and we should also get to see high level judoka competing in and placing well against BJJ, as well as having it's own no gi comps and classes.
No evolution leads to stagnation, new things pop up and take its place.
here here
I'm not so sure I agree with judo being like wrestling. If anything we have moved away from wrestling since taking out the leg grabs. But I do think there should be some evolution of judo. But I wouldn't go to crazy with it.
@@TravisStevensgrappling thank you, fair enough.
Very good idea about letting it add up I wish they had that
The problem isn’t judo not being in UFC, it’s that BJJ is primarily marketing and secondarily an effective fighting system. So BJJ’s advantage is the mindset that created UFC 1.
love that toolbox idea!
I am a Judo Beginner. Not a nativ english speaker. It helps alot that almost the whole world uses the same names for the techniques and throws. Searching and learning them is much easier. If the US would use own names and europeans would use others you would have to translate them everytime. It's already annyoing with pounds and kilos.
Solution based thinking is the way .good job travis
Judo rant with friends:) good video!
I love it! We could have kept that going for hours!
Love this. Yes important to know or have a combination repertoire.
1:41:00 I love it!, and I know many young athletes would like to participate and everybody would love the exhibition
10:07 Would be great to bring leg grabs back in that way.
Right I think thats a great idea It also helps to promote Newaza as well.
In regards to the hawaii high school judo topic, there are several dilemmas. For the beginners starting in high school, you have one month to learn the sport before you compete (due to them prohibiting contact practice in the off season. This essentially means that you have to learn how to fall for 2 weeks, then get another 2 weeks to learn a basic throw. These beginners then go on to compete WEEKLY against club players who are often 1dan athletes.
In the end, the beginners do shitty and get destroyed. And the club players get a false sense of confidence due to winning against the beginners, and thus have no development of grip fighting or advanced tactics.
Another issue for the good athletes is that this state does not host any nationally ranked tournaments. You have to spend a lot of money to travel to the mainland, get a hotel and compete. So its very difficult to climb up the national rankings. And because of this, a lot of Athletes quit judo after high school, there aren't many opportunities for young adults
I love this statement! Thank you for the insight.
Awesome crossover!
Thanks!
ooooh my favorite 2 judokas!
Totally enjoy your videos and love your insights on how to execute judo throws. Will it be possible to have Justin Flores as a guest?
100% Possible. Its hard with the west coast due to timing but anything is possible. It's why all my guest have been east coast.
@@TravisStevensgrappling Can I also add Mike Swain, Chuck Jefferson, Jason Morris, James and Jimmy Pedro. 👍👍
School coaches do get paid. In most districts. Judo can 100% be funded in schools if we had available coaches. There are plenty of grants that would easily allow multiple schools in a district to get mats and Gis. Not to mention sponsorships from companies and local business. Men can coach women sports, including judo. The real barrier to getting judo in schools is the amount of qualified instructors.
I find that many of the problems discussed here us part of American society, I lived in Japan and the judo program in schools is huge and great level
Clubs not splitting up the noobs and pros for the most part is stopping a lot of adults to getting into Judo.
I can tell you that in our Judo Club all new students are not put with advanced students and only our Brown/Black Belts can work with the new students so no one gets hurt
Dudes are crushing on each other
Keep it up👍
Thanks Shayan!
Interesting dialogue in regards to jargon. I think yes maybe it does require change.
"How tf do you get anything done when everyone's a volunteer" gotta go ask people who arrange big lan parties. Here in my area they had a level of show where professional event organizers were surprised of how amazing it was, while majority of the people were volunteers. Nerds are passionate and able it seems.
The way you guys describe judo in US is so foreign to me living in Finland. Almost all the dojos are just sort of the club of the town and it's in most towns, the cost is maybe around (my local club as a reference) 115 euros per semester (fall and spring semesters) as practice fee to the club and if you want to graduate a belt or compete, you pay the 110 euros fee to the national judo federation and get an insurance. It's also mind-boggling to think that a dojo would have 200 students and 7 am to 6 pm worth of classes. I think the local club's schedule is maybe 4-6 hours a day at best. Here the judo federation I believe helps athletes find personal coaches and fund their training camps and travel fees, food expenses, offers them nutritional education among other things. The capital city has probably two or three clubs but otherwise it's not much of a competition of dojos rather than community thing. Except my university also had a judo club, community thing as well. They're usually registered associations with program and development plans. The local town clubs offer beginner classes for juniors and adults, classes for people who continue after the beginner class that's more of a hobby, competitive groups and kata groups, so pretty wide variety of judo training in general. I was surprised (after the uni club) how many black belts there were in the practice session teaching and training in the local club. However most of the training partners were in the range of 1-2 belts if not the same, people naturally matched. It was fun to have a bit of mismatch to see what's different when you get more experienced, and it was really useful to have the black belts or brown belts to watch when repeating techniques, or to get tips from. However, the funniest thing was that the most challenging ne-waza randori partner was a 14 year old yellow belt as opposed to these green belts. He had energy and intention, not a wide variety of techniques or honed skill, but he went for it. Of course the beginner classes are only beginners and teachers, you gotta wonder who thinks it's good to have a black belt just manhandle beginners.
I totally understand it when someone of olympian level offers his expertise in his own dojo, like Pedro and Stevens, for a reasonable fee. It's for people wanting to get really good and further progress their skill and understanding. Value worth money and entrepreneurship raising the skill level in general (tide raises all boats they say). For a poor guy having gotten used to local town clubs, almost double the semester price a month sounded shocking, but for getting an olympian to coach them it sounds reasonable. Just like for a competitive athlete having a personal coach the price is in relation to the higher value. And not just any guy but someone worth the time, like say a certification that has prestige or competitive merits (doesn't guarantee teaching skills but a good proxy for assuming they know what they're talking about). At the same time to think that you could get judo for free at any level is just as ridiculous to me.
Personally I would love attending competitions even as a yellow belt once I get more used to judo again, just to feel the more practical side of judo with evolving strategies. And to learn more quickly by 1. sparring with more skilled people 2. sparring with people coming from different teachers. Personally I don't get why people don't get excited about the possibility to stress test the skill they have learned and to get hands on experience.
Travis' example of donation versus trade is also pretty wild. I always thought the charity game is an american thing, but I've heard beggars around here also make a ton of money just because they sit there and so many people drop something. Like there's actually sort of "mafia" ring placing beggars on the streets and collecting their money at the end of the day because it pays so well. Yet when you're offered to get something back for your money, suddenly there's no money to be had.
Awesome.
Can you show a few video on how self defense judo?
Yeah I think that would be a good idea!
Yes, start a judo promotion. I dig judo when i see it on Fight to Win. I don't think they have judo fights anymore.
One thing that I have experienced now as someone who came back to the sport of BJJ and Judo after having met Travis which was great, was dealing with the infrastructure around these Martial Arts Schools. The billing systems that many schools use such as Affiliated Acceptance Corporation are horrible to deal with. When I signed up I read through the contract and frankly it is a Loan, a literal loan that goes on your credit. Which auto renews upon completion of the term. The company itself made the ideas of going back to Jits seem not even worth it. These payment processing companies many schools use are scummy, they treat you like a thief and cheat for simple questions or when you need to skip a payment for valid reasons. Sadly I tore a tendon in my shoulder and that means I am done for the year. I loath dealing with these collection type companies when it comes to something as simple as the billing of your account. Look them up and you will see the countless bad reviews. Its a bad mark not only on them, but the schools that use them. Many people opt to not return simply because they hate dealing with these companies, me included. I doubt I want to deal with them even after I heal up. My hope is that Martial Arts Schools listen to this issues because there are many easier alternatives that don't require contracts that feel like scummy car deal contracts. Its a business end issue that many people who do BJJ and Judo have even brought up to me when I said something. Just a thought and a point from my perspective, big hug from Vegas.
All great points Roberto! I hope your shoulder heals up well.
Mr. Stevens needs some sunshine in his life (literally and figuratively)?
The Archetypes of Judo Players. Also I'd totally get a group of 2-3 ppl to pay around 5k for a weekend seminar
Good conversation though👍
If Bravo can redo names and styles for BJJ and call it crazy stuff, you might as well redo Judo for the new market and give it a go. Then you can run new style Judo Comps with new rulesets and watch it grow. It worked in BJJ.
Should have kept it at Orlando so families can use it as a vacation
Should have kept what at Orlando?
@@TravisStevensgrappling nationals
Judo in schools, then Judo will flourish
Travis has like exactly same voice as Mark Bell!😏
Is it possible that a major problem of Judo is that it's much more accessible for younger players (compared to BJJ being very accessible up to your 50s and beyond), and therefore your target audience just have less money.
The brainstorming is great. Too bad people are scared to vocalize good ideas.
Thats why I wanted to bring the conversation to TH-cam rather than behind closed doors.
"Let it add up" sounds like sports jujitsu ala Ernie Boggs minus atemi
Interview starts at 2 min 30 sec.
Had some technical difficulties LOL. I hope it was worth the wait.
2:30
Re. Judo terminology, the beauty of having a universal language is that everyone knows what you are referring to, no matter where you go to train. Medicine has a universal language of Latin names so that doctors and other medical professionals can immediately understand the aetiology and symptoms of a disease.
I think that once you get rid of the use of universal terms, Judo will begin to splinter in terms of use of techniques. Suddenly you will get a thousand different versions of Judo so that there is no longer an identifiable body of work and concepts which everyone can identify as being Judo.
Drutgat While I do agree with you the only thing I would say is we are already there. A lot of people have come up with a bunch of "spin off techniques" that the Kodokan has classified as the core move. Which in turn makes it extremely difficult to teach.
I’m 23, is it too late to chase something like judo?
How is it going?
@jqn8361 well it's not judo, but jiu jitsu has been pretty fun! I enjoy the challenge, and I enjoy the activity! Once I get of 2nd shift judo will become more of a reality!
Great how is judo effective when it comes to self defense.
run judo as fast paced (chain wrestling)as wrestling would make judo more interesting to outsiders,like sparticus in a karate tourney.
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I honestly don't like the fact that the major selling point for martial arts in general is self defense...
what about mckenzie
What about him?
you dont even need a winner and loser for entry level competition, everybody just do randori for 5 mins and throw each other and put on a show,,
Am I being scammed lol I pay 85 dollars a month for 8 classes a month lol
That's a fair price
Sounds ground
can't stand this Stevens guy. Very negative. Shintaro is great as always, though.