One great thing about Dr Octopus' arms being puppeteered instead of CG animated is that their movement feeds back into the actor they're attached to, which in turn gives them weight and makes them appear real and dangerous. When they are CG, they appear more floaty and weightless.
Let's hope they continue to do that in the new upcoming Spiderman movie with Doc Oct in it. I'm worried they'll just CG the fuck out of everything leaving out the wonderful Sam Raimi practical SFX.
Yup ..but that's what alfred molina isn't worried about now is the cgi .. coz the puppets are heavy for his back ..that's what he said on interview with willem defoe and jamie foxx ...
And also having the practical effects as a reference probably helped the animators to think about how the tentacles should move to sell the illusion better, even if there were limitations to it.
Not many people seem to talk about this, but one of the biggest differences is how the hero from Spiderman 2 doesn't just take the pain. He screams! It makes him more relatable, and we can SEE his pain whenever the mask is off. It's one of the biggest contributing factors that make it hold up even today.
@@owens.studios Exactly! When the couch smiled and laughed at Tobey's grimacing while saving the train, I thought, "Dude, those are the EXACT faces a human would make if they were just durable enough to survive this shit."
i’m actually really impressed with the work that went into Spiderman 2 (2004). the CGI was obviously noticeable but definitely still really good for it’s time. great film
It would pretty much look like me putting all my effort into anything. There's no separate "Train stopping face" that happens only in that scenario. Toby just has a dumb 'best effort' face. Love this movie though!
Exactly, I kind of like that he's just giving it his all regardless of how it looks. Makes it more authentic than Captain America grabbing the rail from below to stop Bucky from escaping in the helicopter just so they could shoot a juicy bicep curl. All these superhero movies give the impression that those huge amounts of effort wouldn't cause your face to distort. So yeah, I appreciated Maguire's silly face because it's finally some realism.
There's never a scene of a superhero having diarrhea so he can't fight crime, or sitting on the toilet right when things are happening so they have to choose between wiping and saving someone. Or imagine if batman had a cold so he'd sound even more dumb, I'd wanna see that
@@asdfffs That sounds amazing XD And yeah, while I can absolutely understand that's it's not compelling tv to have superheroes go through the day-to-day of going to the bathroom or shaving etc., often stuff is written in such a way that it's extremely unlikely they'd have the time or opportunity to do that stuff. Does Captain America shave every time before he goes out the door? Does Black Widow get regular haircuts so her hair doesn't change much over longer periods of time? If they're on a mission that takes all day, where do they go to the bathroom? Are they taking clean underwear with them or do they all have horrible infections? Why aren't their teeth falling out or is there an allotted moment during the day where they're all brushing their teeth? So many questions! XD
I always liked Toby McGuire's strange faces when Spider-Man's mask comes off, as it's more realistic than looking cool while your arms are being dislocated and it shows the importance of a full face mask for a crime fighter, especially for a teenager
@@chato. Nah, it's pretty fairly rated, really bad writing, mediocre at best directing, pretty decent/good effects overall is the consensus as far as I'm aware
I firmly believe that people that say that Tobey's face while stoping the train is exaggerated and ridiculous have never lifted weights in his entire life. Not even once.
It's actually something too you yourself have no control over. When I lift weights the muscles in my face does what it want no matter how I try to resist it.
I think the problem is Tobey's face itself, people also critique his crying face. He's a pretty goofy looking dude, it serves Peter Parker well, spider-man not so much, imo.
Raimi knows something about CG. He moves the camera and orders the shots so the CG is always cemented in each scene. This original trilogy is so good, even the roughest effects still look acceptable compared to some stuff that comes out today
One thing I realise is that he always cut to a close up with practical suits on between the cgi sequence, this help make it less noticable, while in mcu case they make the scenes fully cgi and didn't use close ups as much which made the action less easy to follow
The CG shots are still framed in camera like they could’ve been shot practically. Too many filmmakers rely on a completely digital background and a digital camera in which it just starts to feel like a cartoon
Apparently Sam Raimi and Mark Webb have been consulted for the production of No Way Home also. I REALLY hope the take Raimi's advice and it works out. The movie is gonna be amazing!
Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2 to me still has some of the best effects, almost every single scene using vfx/sfx just look so perfect, it never occurred to me as a child that anything was faked since it's a movie
I remember someone visiting the housw like 4 years ago and we rewatched it and there was a scene where it was obviously a doll being thrown instead of a real person haha.
I think what sells the arms is their “intelligence”. In the scene on the building you can see an arm get ready to attack Spider-Man but Doc falls so it tries to grab the building instead as if it’s an independent being stuck to other beings
another fun thing: there haven't been any elevated train tracks in Manhattan since 1973, but every New Yorker I know who has seen it completely forgot about this at least for the duration of the sequence; it's so engaging and it sells the sequence so well that you don't even care about the geography
I think it is more because the movie was going for the 60's esque vibe from the comics. Best example I can think of for that is the Daily Bugle, all the colors are simplified, the architecture is art deco, even the glass in the windows is hazy and unclear like an old building that was made in the 20's.
I get that you're trying to say there isn't an elevated train in that specific area that spider man was in but I would just like to remind everyone that Harlem is in fact part of the island of Manhattan
With how constantly "over-realism" gives away the CG parts, one saying (that very much may be a quote from some fictional character, can't quite recall it) comes to my mind: One difference between the lies and the truth is that the latter doesn't have to be realistic
One thing that goes unnoticed that I think makes Doc Ock one of the greatest comic villains put to screen is that Raimi made the man and the machine feel like two different characters. The tentacles have so much personality separate from Otto that you can almost hear the internal dialogue between the two in your head. Just expert filmmaking from an under appreciated master of his craft.
It does a lot to sell Otto's conflict. Without being able to "feel" that "dialogue" his internal struggle would just seem like angsty "woe is me" bullshit. Instead, due to Molina's masterful acting and the acting of the tentacles themselves, you genuinely understand some of what is going on inside him. He *genuinely* isn't wholly in control. Mix that with the glimpse we get of Otto's relationship with his wife, and how he feels responsible for her death, and suddenly everything he does is no longer villainy. It's entirely reasonable from his point of view and it's heart breaking. Molina's Doc Ock was never an evil man, he was a loving husband and idealist who had everything but his work taken from him. That was all he had left. So of course he let it consume him.
Nailed It ! Also did you know that in the official novelization of the film, they actually showcase the internal dialogue between Otto and his tentacles
I’m sure someone’s already commented or y’all already know, but Mysterio in the comics was a special effects artist for 60’s films which is why his outfit is so theatrical because of that background, so I thought it was genius that they just made a modern day version of it which I thought was hilarious. Also I’m glad I wasn’t the only person who thought the SFX in AS2 was cool!
Speaking of Spiderman scenes, I'd love to see them react to the birth of the Sandman scene in Spiderman 3. One of my all-time favorite scenes in any movie. Looking at it now, there was definitely an insane amount of work done to not only animate all that sand, but to somehow make it emote
Food for thought about the train scene: Superman saving trains is iconic, and it's so easy for him to do it too. That's why Spiderman achieving the same effect but with so much more effort is so amazing. With this scene, movie-spiderman truly elevated himself from being a hero to being a superhero.
As cheesy as Sam Raimi can be sometimes, he is a master storyteller when it comes to visual representation. That tentacle scene is one of the best scenes EVER put to film. I saw a recent breakdown on another channel that did a brilliant analysis of it and described it (correctly, I might add) as "Bloodless Horror". Brutally violent, shocking, and terrifying without ever going over the top and maintaining a "PG" rating. The level of storytelling in that short scene is some of the best, clearest, concise, and grounded in all of filmdom. You never, for one second, lose track of where any of the characters or action in the scene are in the room. There are so many little 'setups' and 'payoffs' throughout, and in a very real sense, every frame is a painting. Every aspect, from the lighting, angles, audio and sound design, to the visual FX are nearly perfect, especially considering that the vast majority of what you see is captured on set, in-camera. I couldn't help grinning maniacally like some cinematic villain sitting in front of a screen in his volcanic lair as I watch, wholeheartedly agreeing that it is one of my all-time favorite scenes in any movie, ever.
@@MABlacksmith I believe so, yes. I hadn't heard of the channel before seeing that video, so I'm not familiar, but that sounds right. I'd have to go back and look for it to be sure. It was, like... a month or two ago. It popped up in my suggestions (which I usually ignore) and I clicked. All I know for sure is, he was spot-on.
@@naiknaik8812 yes, the charm is what made me love the trilogy so much, I love how loveable doc ock and Green goblin are but they are also menacing and a thread to Peter
Something I just realized that I appreciate about you guys is that you never seem to interrupt each other. When one person is knowledgable/excited about something and wants to share, the other two let him speak. Makes it way more enjoyable than if you all were fighting for the spotlight.
"His skin is spider-man colored" This quote really says it all about why it looks good sometimes and bad sometimes. Does it look like a guy in a spider-man suit or a spider-man colored guy?
The other cool thing about Spiderman 2’s loose rippling suit is that the air rippling suit emphasizes the speed of motion, whereas the other suits are too stationary.
Spider man in this movie is compleat, is the spider man we should have, Gwen perfect, But out of this characters The entire movie is bad But the villains The lines from them The story of peters parents is just super meh But Peter and Gwen And spider man And specially the cgi just perfect... That's why I love this movie. And I understand people hated... But this is my favorite spider man film tho be honest.
@@ailoxtime4479 the cgi in that movie is fucking AMAZING like I literally love how in the 2nd one they made the suit not skin tight so it didn't look like a skin tight man running around they made it look good like no shade to Sam raimi or Jon watts love those movies but I reckon this movie has one of the best cgi in spiderman movies
TASM 2 is my all time favourite Movie, The Costume looks so freaking awesome (like in the Ultimate Spider-man Comics, which are my favourite Comics) the action with electro, the shoots where you are as near on spider-man as possible, the love between Gwen and Peter, The sad scene at the end and the Music from Hans Zimmer makes it one of the greatest Movies for me. +it was in 3D in cinemas, and that was freaking awesome!
It's not something to feel guilty about. It's a good spiderman film. Story is kinda wack yes but the new ones are even worse narrative wise. It's justtthat most people arent spidey fans so they dint know shit. The new ones look like common drama so ppl like them more
In the behind-the-scenes of Spider-Man 2 the VFX supervisor talked about how they were always going for a 50/50 split between practical and CG effects. As for the train scene, it was one of the very first things that Raimi had in mind for the movie - and the very first they started prepping up for. Not overusing CG, having a clear vision and enough time to prep to actually realize said vision are why Spider-Man 2's VFX hold up so well to this day - and why the train fight is still a top contender for best superhero action scene of all time.
TASM2 still has the best visual effects I’ve seen in any Spider-Man movie and most superhero movies in general. I remember watching a feature of the VFX breakdown and it was so impressive and to actually have an actor in a real tangible Spider-Man suit (probably the best suit in live action?) - Perfect
I'm a makeup effects artist for film and I have a hard time enjoying movies when I'm so focused on great or bad makeup. Saying "viewing it with these goggles we have on" gave me a genuine light bulb moment that I need to allow myself to take the goggles off sometimes, especially when I forget I'm wearing them. Thanks for that comment!
Steady shots, simple cuts that follow motion, action movies need to stop being so lazy and plan their shots better. It’s cool having all this crazy technical gun-fu sure but it comes at the expense of storytelling imo
@@fysean this!! sometimes with a lot of mcu and holland’s spider-man fights it’s quite hard to follow what’s actually happening because there’s so much going on but not enough cuts and varying shots to actually show us
3:00 another easy way to recognize this as CG is the fact that you wouldn't put a bunch of actors near such fast moving objects, the risk of injury is just too high.
The part in the 8 minute mark where they discuss the action feeling disparate from the rest of the film is why I think directors that are action guys first are the best. Chad Stahelski and David Leitch of John Wick/Deadpool/Atomic Blonde, Mad Max director George Miller, James Gunn, their action scenes _always_ feels artistically tied to the rest of the film. Taika Waititi too. I'm not sure if he's completely involved with the action choreo, but some of the most iconic scenes in Thor Ragnarok (the gopro shot of Mjolnir flying and smacking fire demons, the God of Thunder scene on the bridge) were allegedly part of his pitch reel to Marvel Studios, so it was his idea at least. I hope that for the rest of the new MCU directors, they take a stronger involvement in the action even if the studio says "our previz/stunt guys have this, just worry about the talk-y bits."
There's definitely issues with directors who aren't experienced with action trying to do action scenes. Chloé Zhao did Eternals with basically no film experience that wasn't dramatic films with huge sweeping environment scenes.
I think shang chi is a great example of this. They brought in a majority of jackie's team for choreography and filming the action scenes, and since a decent amount of people in the stunt viz were directors themselves, they were constantly working with the pre viz team and the director while filming action scenes, and it shows, shang chi had one of the best fight choreography up there with winter soldier. Having an experienced stunt/action team is a huge advantage.
@@parry111 One of their previous videos had them bring on the Iron Fist coordinator as a guest and he explained how they had a whole stunt crew choreographing every fight scene and the directors and cinematographers would just ruin everything they did on the day of shooting.
@@chitoryu12 I was wondering why Chloe was chosen to direct their epoch-spanning drama about space gods and the ancient eldritch beings that made them, when her entire imdb page seems to be about indie cowboy movies. I wonder which shots in the film are actually hers, and which are the previz team, because the only time I was really engaged in Eternals was when Gemma Chan's character would go into space and talk to their god. Oh and without wishing to spoil, Omni Man is still the best subversion of The Superman.
I rewatched The Amazing Spider-Man 2 the other week cuz I rewatched all the movies, but yeah as flawed and dumb as a lot of the stuff is in it (and I definitely acknowledge those flaws), I can't deny how much I love and enjoy that movie. Not even in the ironic "so bad it's good" sense I just genuinely enjoy it and have fun with it. I feel like I'm the only person in the world who feels this way lol
Yep, you are nowhere near alone with that opinion. Especially with all the new discussion about after NWH, more people are saying how much they loved those movies and more people are going back and seeing that they are still good, or at least, nowhere near as terrible as they thought.
i totally get you. tasm2 was the first big superhero movie that i ever watched in theaters when i was 12 and i became obsessed with those movies because of it. i always loved andrew’s version of spider-man and his overall portrayal (visually) in his movies but always, too, felt so disoriented by all of the hate that his spider-man received until very recently. i also just rewatched the sequel a couple weeks ago and, with more mature eyes, completely recognized the dog trash writing and obnoxiously convoluted plot it suffered from. But i still deeply enjoyed watching it. I’m choosing to settle on the conclusion that this movie consists of some of the most polarizing aspects in cinema history. The performance that garfield gave was so unbelievably good that it couldn’t be ruined by the trash dialogue, his onscreen chemistry with emma stone was too real to not get hopelessly invested in, and the visual craftsmanship was just so grounded in reality that it made the most outlandish superhero feats fill me with awe rather than disbelief. everyone doing the heavy lifting in this franchise did their jobs perfectly while people that were giving directions went completely off the rails. after seeing some of the scenes that were cut from the final version, i honestly wouldn’t have wanted to see where this franchise was heading before being cut short, but i did want more of andrew’s spidey. his version, in the most specific sense, deserved better.
@@mairenoates8294 I totally agree. TASM 2 was the first big movie I remember being super excited for, and back then it totally paid off. I was obsessed with Electro at that age, and when I re-watched it recently, I wholeheartedly expected it to be a pile of garbage that I had been looking at through nostalgic lenses, but what surprised me was that it was somehow even better than I remembered. The way the cinematography, the visual effects, the art design, soundtrack and sound design is so meticulously crafted astounds me now just as much as it astounded me as a kid, and I now see more clearly than ever that that movie was the first spark which led me to a love of filmmaking which I now pursue as a career.
Can we establish that Tobey’s Spidey films have the best VFX in the early to mid 2000s ever and Andrew’s Spidey sequel having the best opening scene ever. The VFX for Tom’s Spidey films do tend to look real and fake at the same time. The Nick Fury scene in Far From Home is the most hilariously shot sequence, just green screen a man, then comp him into a scene, Just the sheer meta humour with Mysterio, The dream sequence, The water effects, The MCU is really showing us some great VFX and if not sometimes lazy writing that Wren states about Spider-Man 2 2 (TASM2). Can’t wait to see them react to VFX when No Way Home comes out.
Woah, Niko Made a great point at 6:11 where an octopus still performs the last action it was given, which actually makes a ton of sense why the tentacles were so hyperfocused on rebuilding Ock's machine again, since that was his last thought while he had control over them.
I gotta say, to me TASM 2 is one of the spiderman movies that i liked less overall, but I enjoyed that last sequence because i thought it was a great idea to produce the sequence as a visual techno tune. I admit that it looks too over the top and witht the flaws mentioned here at around 11:00, but i did enjoy it.
Raimi is just a great director. I would even say old school director with a distinct style. A true auteur. You always can tell, when Raimi directed a movie. I am really curious, how Dr. Strange will turn out. How much of Raimi will shine through.
Tobey maguires screeching and screaming and funny facial expressions are part of what made his spidey awesome. The train save constipation face was right in character with the 'im back!... my back!' scene. The former was serious and the latter played for laughs, but both were totally appropriate.
9:50 love the kind of quick stop it makes, you can feel the physics of him going high speed then sudden little stop when he gets to that breaking point in the pendulum motion.
@@gagetaylor192 it grossly misunderstands the point of the story. Making Nick into this completely nice person betrays the point of the narrative. He's sort of judgemental and a bit of a dick with women in the book. I normally don't mind it when adaptations make changes but in this case it really messes with the idea that nobody is blameless. It's really important to what Fitzgerald wrote.
I honestly genuinely like Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man in the suit. He nails the banter in a way we haven't really gotten yet in a live-action version, and his physicality is :chef's kiss:. It's the rest of the movies around him (including his Peter Parker) that just... ugh.
@@theatheistbear3117 I really hated his portrayal of Peter. I can maybe agree with the banter of Spider-Man, but Tobey's Peter is someone I would love to hang out with and learn from, Andrew's Peter is someone I desperately want to 'teach a lesson.'
@@anonymousaccordionist3326 his Peter Parker is a very realistic teenager/highschooler, so I like his. He reminds me of myself years ago, but obv Tobey's Peter is better
Dude holy crap, Sam raimi's Spider-Man 2 is my favorite movie of all time. That guy really really understood Spider-Man. But even I didn't know about how much work went into creating doc ock's character and the way the arms "think". That being based on the actual physiology of an octopus? That has got to be some of the coolest fucking shit I've ever heard. Thank you Niko for teaching me something new. Edit: in defense of Marc Webb's Amazing Spider-Man 2, that film is a genuine pleasure to watch. The way certain scenes were shot like in particular the opening sequence or the first "fight" with Electro were so damn cool and fun to watch that regardless of the bad writing and all that it looks, kind of *amazing*.
Honestly, you're one of the few people that I've seen who appreciates both Raimi films and The Amazing films. The TASM movies are special to me because of Andrew's portrayal and the slo-mo scenes that showed his Spidey senses were amazing to witness but they have shitty writing no doubt whereas Spider-Man 2 will be one of the best superhero movies of all time. It really understood the character a lot better.
@@WilliamButtlicker oh yeah I feel that my dude, it's extremely rare to find somebody like that. So it's a pleasure to speak with you, and I completely agree, fundamentally Sam Raimi really cared about the character Spider-Man and was able to pull off a damn good movie as well. Spider-Man 2 in my opinion is essentially perfect as far as movies go. Like how much that movie resonated with me as a kid I probably couldn't realistically describe. Aside from saying that it just makes you want to be a better person and Spider-Man is very inspiring. And I actually have heard some information talking about how Mark Webb wanted to make the movies pretty different from how they turned out. Some corporate BS got in the way though. That doesn't change the fact that those movies are really damn fun to watch. That scene where he was saving the people on the stairs in Times Square blew my fucking mind. The Slow Mo in that moment was so well done and so cool. And this is probably unpopular but I really don't care at all about the Disney Marvel franchise version of Spider-Man. Because just like all of the other characters in their Universe there are no consequences. Nothing bad actually happens to the characters, at least not anything that would have a lasting impact. And we know to expect that because it's Disney and they only care about making a franchise. Like they obviously don't care to understand Spider-Man as a character. And it sucks, like I wish that they would care to make more films that feel like they have an actual impact. That's just me though, does that make sense?
@@jordanfelt5978 Exactly, I mean that'd have been the first time we'd have seen the Sinister Six in live action if Webb had got his third film. I still think that just like Ben Affleck's Batman, Andrew deserved more time with Spider-Man. He had genuine love for the character and he looked more comfortable to me than both Tobey and Tom. I hope we see him in No Way Home. And about the MCU version, I know where you're coming from because it's already a pretty big universe with loads of character and sometimes it does feel that the character of Spider-Man isn't getting the charm that it deserves in the MCU. Homecoming was a good film ngl but Far From Home kinda irked me too. And I'm a huge fan of the MCU so that is saying something. But atleast we're getting to see three different versions of Spider-Man in live action so that's a win. And I hope No Way Home serves that question of the impact that has been missing from this version. Whatever the case, It's a good time to be a Spidey fan lol.
@@WilliamButtlicker oh yeah I agree with what you said about Marc Webb Spider-Man, I actually really liked Andrew Garfield as Spiderman. He was goofy as hell and it was enjoyable to watch and of course the romance in those films was great. As far as the MCU goes, I'm excited for the upcoming no way home for the same reasons you are basically. I just don't know if I trust Disney to do it right. Outside of that pretty much all their films feel like the same thing now, over and over again with different characters in my opinion. The movies literally all feel the same and they're not interesting anymore, we already know to expect that there are no real consequences for their characters. Honestly, does it not feel way too 'samey'?
Pertaining to the scene with Jackson and Holland, I feel like Marvel does this a lot. Regardless, if you can pull it off with CGI, it doesn’t mean it’s right. Actors feed off each other when they’re on set together. Lots of actors find this type of practice suffocating. It’s a simple enough scene to pull off by shooting them separately but I hate how comfortable studios are doing this.
I mean they wouldn't deliberately do it through CGI as it would cost them a lot more. It maybe because they don't really have a choice because of the scheduling of every star in the film. And imo, if it isn't noticable, it's a really good job.
Spidey films only fall over when there's a human face on a CG character. What I love about Mysterio is that the mocap suit integrates the comic book suits iconography. I really liked Mysterio, and despite being apparently a one and done character, I like how he's basically the reason why the real multiverse explodes, which is super ironic given the illusions he chooses in this movie. His impact on the MCU is legitimately massive and a neat reverse flip of Iron Man who started the last phase of movies. It's such a nice twist of irony, where a 'fraud' of a villain actually presents the biggest existential threat to the hero and has now done infinitely more damage to the universe than Thanos ever could. Mysterio is arguably the biggest pain in the ass Spidey has ever faced. I just really liked everything about this take on Mysterio.
@@JADNCK i mean do we know what actually caused the multiverse to split for sure? There's a moment where Kang stops being able to see and control the time stream, and I suspect it could be Dr Strange in NWH who causes that to happen
@@JADNCK He exposed Peter Parker who then ripped open the dimensional fabric by botching a spell of Doctor Strange. If Mysterio hadn't done anything then the multiverse of madness wouldn't have happened. Loki simply turned the multiverse back on. Peter Parker and Strange blew the reactor. Its kind of like a WW1 causing WW2 thing. If WW1 never happened the events that caused WW2 wouldn't have existed. Yes, there are agents in the story more directly responsible, but in the MCU Spideys fight with Mysterio is like his World War 1 event.
All Im hoping for is the VFX teams for No Way Home will keep true enough to the past work done from each of Spideys past film villians before, ESPECIALLY Electro cause the amount of effort and detail that was put by SonyImageWorks was so OUTSTANDING that it deserved Oscar level recognition. Thank you Corridor Crew for this breakdown
@@lag00n54 And I'm happy their respecting the comic accuracy to that (cause Jamie lookin better like that), but I'm hoping it'll be as we saw in the trailer with hopefully some similar effects that his time in TAS2 had with the lightning flow from how he moves and his strikes but with of course the yellow lightning touch
@@danieleanzaldi Yeah I know but just hoping they'll keep similar to the work they've done past from TAS2 Electro but just his visual electric effects from ways of his movements and attacks
Sam is a visionary. His take on biologically convert him to have spider like powers instead of a device to shoot webs which is something true to comic books, but hey creative liberties. It was such a genius move. Spiderman 1 was a great origin story
It still boggles my mind now Dock Ock was able to take as many punches as he did in this movie. (I know Spider-Man definitely holds back his punches but that is still lots of punches to the face, it’s impressive 😆)
TASM2 is such a shame because nearly everything about the movie is flawless aside from the writing. The cinematography is incredible, the actors are well cast and the score is great. But the story and writing is atrocious. Unfortunately, Garfield gets a lot of flak for his portrayal of the character despite the fact that the issues with it are not his fault.
TASM2 fall prey on chopping of scenes by Sony...there's of footage of peter parker interaction with Mary jane, his father, uncle ben's flashback... but in the final product.. the whole MJ character was put out of the film... i genuinely feel TASM2 got the same treatment like JL theatrical release.
Yeah and that's the thing people at some point forget all this kind of details just because of the script. Cause just talking from the visuals in this saga or specific in TASM 2 as they said they nailed the look with the suit, along side with the figth scenes and the fractions where you can have the perspective of Andrew swinging in New York, the lapses where time slows down so you can see what it's happening around him. But then the script comes and it's the thing sadly overshadows everything amazing about this movie, but in at somepoints the script make sense or is good, cause being honest there scenes in which you get to empathize with the character or well, and get the oportunity to see Spiderman as a normal person where the phrase "anyone can wear the mask" makes a lot of sense, and the thing with electro, it is an absurd drama, because that is the way which they present it in the comics for a while, as in the animated series that they released in 2012 and it is never bad to be able to see a different appearance of the characters, being something they've done lately with Tom's spider-man and his 20,000 suits hahaha
14:22 i just noticed a little trick that makes the waterboy hit HARD. There is a little pre camera shakea frame or two before the impact, then it wiggles more! Like a rumble underground before an eruption! Wow! Now thats what I call an effective....effect! 😅
I'd love if you covered a bit of the Amazing Spider-Man 1 cause a lot of the behind the scenes is so interesting and cool, plus it's like the only spiderman to do practical web swinging; it always astounds me that they had a whole backlot for most of New York in the movie.
Imo TASM 2 is by far the most visually stunning of the Spider-Man movies, and it brings some of the best performances with it (Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone have unparalleled chemistry). But it's such a cluster fuck of occasionally good, but mostly terrible writing. It's such a shame Sony interfered so much with the production of the film. I wish Mark Webb was given the opportunity to tell the movie as he originally intended.
@Dzie Kuje Spiderman 3 was garbache.. I said I hope this movie will redeem the fact that spiderman 3 was bad and Andrew gardield was non existant. What’s your problem?
Andrew is such a great spiderman, hes always so funny and quipy, especially in the first movie with the car jacking scene, probably my favorite spiderman scene ever
Dysktra, Johnson and his team produced so many best visuals for Spider-Man 2, it was easily the most well produced in terms of visual effects of the Spider-Man films made to date IMO.
I think the reason a CG Spider-Man looks so photo-realistic is because in every scene where his mask is off, the actor is almost always standing on some sort of surface. But in almost all of the scenes where Spider-Man is swinging, the mask is on is face. Because the way people can tell it's CG is by looking the face. You can't make a face look super photo-real because a face is always moving. But the reason Spider-Man is the best in CG is because you can't see his face, and it's all up to the lighting.
At the end of Far From Home Spiderman is zipping around the bridge solving problems and obliterating drones left and right and that, to me, is the most Spiderman action sequence I've ever seen in a Spiderman movie. Also, it's an Aerial fight, so I'm not sure I agree with you on that one.
TASM2 still has the best looking Spidey, the perfect quips for Spidey and most importantly the best swinging action is any Spider-Man movie to date. I hope we get some good swinging action in No Way Home cuz the swinging in the first two ones are NOT it.
@TheRealRogerEbert bruh their talking about the live action spidey I mean of course into the spider verse was best at capturing the momentum cause it was animated. In an animated movie you can make the characters move in many ways a real human being can't.
If only Andrew could choose an accent. Is he a raspy voiced teen or the nerd from Social Network with non-raspy accent? Also, the quips would be alright if he wasn’t just letting Rhino plow through pedestrian vehicles ( most likely occupied) while making needless jokes. I will say that the CG suit was dope though. Loved the wrinkles moving in the wind. Happy they put the work in after being caught stealing the animation from Mirrors Edge.
Coming from a mechanical engineering perspective, knowing where and when Dr. Ocs arms were CGI was super fun having made a bunch of cable control mechanisms before
Sam is right about the new suits going back to old CG. They even did the same to Iron man. He used to have a suit made of individual parts, sure it didn't make physical sense where the parts were coming from. Take the suitcase suit from iron man 2, movie was pretty meh overall but that one suit sequence is better than any of the iron man scenes in the latest marvel movies. The fact that they got so lazy as writers to move to nanobots, not only does it solve every problem perfectly; Tony can just make any thing from any part of his suit. It also makes the effects boring. All you need to do is create an effect of the nano bots forming a shape and transition from start to end. There's no figuring out where the interesting parts come from, only having those parts once. Even in iron man 3, when he shoots the individual parts onto Pepper as the building is exploding. It's so cool seeing each piece land, attach and then unfold. With the nanobots, they just turn into a continous shape like black panther or spiderman. Boring and adds to that unreal effect
Now that you mention it it does seem like a weird and obviously inferior choice. For Iron Man especially. I mean he's IRON man. Not nanobot man. He's gotta have a ton of mechanical parts on his suit. Nanobots are just like a degree away from magic, like green lantern or something.
@@SquareNoggin It wasn't lazy writing for Tony's. In the comics, Iron man's suit progressed to nanobots as time went on. What's lazy is that EVERYONE seemingly has a nanobot suit.
Functionally (practical use for combat in-verse) it's better to have a fully assembled suit that you can then add onto with the nanobots, but you brought up an even better point: the visuals. Even with better CGI as the years go on, it stood out more and more to me as the suits became more seamless. The biggest offender, in my opinion, was in Civil War when it started to go less bulky armor pieces which consequently gave it pretty awful floating head syndrome, and despite them largely mitigating that (not entirely though) it still doesn't even feel as good as the first few movies of it where it was mostly practical but touched up with CGI and had individually noticeable pieces.
@@SquareNoggin unfortunately he ISN'T IRON MAN His suit was a gold-titatnium alloy in the first place. It never was Iron in the movies. So, him donning a nano-suit won't do any injustice to his name, not say it does take away a part of realism.
I love when Doc Oc is holding Aunt May and she's just hovering there, holding her purse and umbrella like being pinched on her back by as robotic claw and holding her out in the air is no bother for a 70 year old woman.
TASM 2 makes me cry every time, the grieving scenes are too real. Between the director's choices on those and Andrew's acting immediately after the impact, it's a real tear-jerker
Spider-Man 2 is still the best superhero movie. It brought comic books into the mainstream, had great character development and stakes, and of course great action.
@@Sadvillainy nah Spiderman 2 is better. TDK is regarded so high cus of heath ledger acting which is brilliant ofc but exclude that then even Batman begins is a better Batman story than tdk. TDK is great and but the Nolan fanboys hail it as the best movie of all time which is quite hilarious..
@@AyushBhadouria this cant be a serious assessment of that movie lmao. One of those beloved and celebrated comic book movies of all time and you put that on Ledgers death and Nolan fanboys??? Lmao stop it.
It's so cool seeing y'all talk about the arms in Spider-Man 2 (2004) because I remember watching all the behind the scenes dvd clips about the arms and just being in awe of it. Spider-Man 2 really does hold up CGI-wise in so many ways! Also, good luck getting tix for NWH (if you haven't already) :)
I honestly think that Raimi’s trilogy still has the most fluid and natural looking Spidey swinging VFX out of all the Spidey movies, including the more recent MCU movies. It holds up really, really well.
I've often said Raimi's Spider-man 2 is my favorite superhero film (possibly tied with The Dark Knight), but it's been a while since I watched it. Seeing bits of it again, it's not just nostalgia...DANG is it good! Gonna need to watch it again ASAP. Can't wait to see what Raimi does with Doctor Strange 2!! (I also went as MoCap Mysterio for Halloween in 2019!)
That amazing hospital scene from Spider-Man 2 (2004) is so Evil Dead (awesome horror classics also by Sam Raimi), it scared the sh*t outta me when I saw it as a kid. And it's the only time where the movie turned into a horror film. Yet it doesn't feel out of place at all. It's super well directed and I'm glad Sam Raimi decided to film that part Like it's a horror film.
Yeah, I love that Raimi has the distinct style. The tight zooms. The crazy angles. And his consistent and fun uses of it over decades is excellent. There are few great scenes in Oz; the Great and Powerful with that technique.
I think that the Amazing Spider-Man 2 has great emotional moments though, like Peter's talks with Aunt May and Gwen Stacy's death. They're actually pretty good. Also, I ain't never seen Diggy Gorgonzolaz and the Corridor Crew in the same room.
I think TASM2 had some very impactful scenes and a nice message of continuing to take up your responsibility in the midst of sadness and sorrows. I don't get why people are so rough on it. It's definitely NOT one of the worst movies of all time, that statement pisses me off.
To bad those moments are dew and fare between and we instead have to spend a bunch of time on harry trying to get Magic spider blood and turning into the worst green goblin ever.
@@galactic85 Doesn't take away from all those good moments tho. His talk with aunt may, Gwen's death, the ending speech, his visions of Gwen's dad etc were all done extremely well. Electro wasn't an awful villain imo, mainly due to Jaimie Foxx' performance. Harry was extremely bad, but that's the only big downfall of the movie imo. Apart from that I think it's a good Spider-Man movie
I feel like it's abit unfortunate you only stuck to the sequals in each franchise because tasm 1 has some incredible web swinging sequences that would have been fun to see you break down
yes so true, the hallway fight with the lizard that is entirely cg looks so good; and the spectacular use of a back lot and practical effects for most scenes are really cool.
Did anyone else notice that he's wearing a Vildhjarta band t-shirt for their new album Måsstaden under vatten which is a Swedish metal band that is a masterpiece! I had no idea Corridor Crew had great taste in music :)
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The amazing spider man was like green lantern it was horrible
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One great thing about Dr Octopus' arms being puppeteered instead of CG animated is that their movement feeds back into the actor they're attached to, which in turn gives them weight and makes them appear real and dangerous. When they are CG, they appear more floaty and weightless.
Ufff yeah, still can't watch the fist three movies because each time actors get animated they fly about hollow styrofoam muppets.
Let's hope they continue to do that in the new upcoming Spiderman movie with Doc Oct in it. I'm worried they'll just CG the fuck out of everything leaving out the wonderful Sam Raimi practical SFX.
Yup ..but that's what alfred molina isn't worried about now is the cgi .. coz the puppets are heavy for his back ..that's what he said on interview with willem defoe and jamie foxx ...
@@MattJett doubt it. In the trailer it already looks like the arms are going to be only cg
And also having the practical effects as a reference probably helped the animators to think about how the tentacles should move to sell the illusion better, even if there were limitations to it.
Not many people seem to talk about this, but one of the biggest differences is how the hero from Spiderman 2 doesn't just take the pain. He screams! It makes him more relatable, and we can SEE his pain whenever the mask is off. It's one of the biggest contributing factors that make it hold up even today.
Tobey Macguire's Spiderman always got injured, sometimes badly. It made it more believable somehow, even though other superheroes get hurt too
That's part of what makes the train scene so good. His sceams and facial expressions perfectly match somebody getting pulled limp from limp
@@owens.studios Exactly! When the couch smiled and laughed at Tobey's grimacing while saving the train, I thought, "Dude, those are the EXACT faces a human would make if they were just durable enough to survive this shit."
Yea but there are also some good things about spiderman two as well as spiderman two
@@King_Neptune69 what about Homecoming?..
i’m actually really impressed with the work that went into Spiderman 2 (2004). the CGI was obviously noticeable but definitely still really good for it’s time. great film
And it was 2004 when computer games were still at world of Warcraft level
yea dude, they knocked it out of the park.
If you downgrade the resolution and watch it on an old TV (like people used to do at that time), will be really hard to notice anything.
its*
How does everyone notice CGI so easily??
Sam nailed it with the "I'd like to see your face while your stopping a train." Real life superheroes would not look cool 100% of the time
It would pretty much look like me putting all my effort into anything. There's no separate "Train stopping face" that happens only in that scenario. Toby just has a dumb 'best effort' face. Love this movie though!
Exactly, I kind of like that he's just giving it his all regardless of how it looks. Makes it more authentic than Captain America grabbing the rail from below to stop Bucky from escaping in the helicopter just so they could shoot a juicy bicep curl. All these superhero movies give the impression that those huge amounts of effort wouldn't cause your face to distort.
So yeah, I appreciated Maguire's silly face because it's finally some realism.
There's never a scene of a superhero having diarrhea so he can't fight crime, or sitting on the toilet right when things are happening so they have to choose between wiping and saving someone. Or imagine if batman had a cold so he'd sound even more dumb, I'd wanna see that
@@asdfffs That sounds amazing XD
And yeah, while I can absolutely understand that's it's not compelling tv to have superheroes go through the day-to-day of going to the bathroom or shaving etc., often stuff is written in such a way that it's extremely unlikely they'd have the time or opportunity to do that stuff. Does Captain America shave every time before he goes out the door? Does Black Widow get regular haircuts so her hair doesn't change much over longer periods of time? If they're on a mission that takes all day, where do they go to the bathroom? Are they taking clean underwear with them or do they all have horrible infections? Why aren't their teeth falling out or is there an allotted moment during the day where they're all brushing their teeth? So many questions! XD
Plus I really would like to see that. Wren would look hilarious.
7:44 THANK YOU!
Toby’s faces were real. They may not have been the most pleasing thing to look at but the emotion conveyed was very real.
Tobey*
@@englishatheart do you spend all day correcting people about tobey's name?
@@horseoperamarker maybe she does
Just like Nick Cage in the Wickerman bees section.
JGrace Calm down, it’s just a simple correction! It should be obvious that it’s informative rather that malicious.
I always liked Toby McGuire's strange faces when Spider-Man's mask comes off, as it's more realistic than looking cool while your arms are being dislocated and it shows the importance of a full face mask for a crime fighter, especially for a teenager
Tobey* Maguire*
@@englishatheart Do you just chill in the comments waiting to correct everyone on Tobey’s name?
@@englishatheart bruh what is your obsession with Tobys name
@@Broccoli_32 What is wrong with correcting someone's spellings? Would you appreciate someone writing your name wrong?
@@dragonbane44 It’s about the 5th comment she’s made correcting someone on it. Also yeah I don’t care if someone I don’t know spells my name wrong lol
The opening swinging sequence for Amazing Spider Man 2 is absolutely stunning.
But also makes 0 sense on how he got up in the air...
@@metalcrusader6666 Dude, You're finding " sense" In Superhero Movies? Are You Insane Or something?
@@metalcrusader6666 he jumped of a helicopter
@@metalcrusader6666 u don't make a fuckin sense
@@metalcrusader6666 he can literally catapult himself in the air, he's done in it in every spiderman series
Don’t care what anyone says about The Amazing Spider-Man movies: the effects, especially the web swinging sequences, are awesome
Hell yea, though amazing 2’s story is a bit wonky, those movies are underrated and its effects are incredible
That's what everyone says
@@chato. Nah, it's pretty fairly rated, really bad writing, mediocre at best directing, pretty decent/good effects overall is the consensus as far as I'm aware
@@alexhobson5478Loads of folks mention Garfield’s and Stone’s undeniable chemistry as a high point in the Amazing Spider-Man franchise too.
its definitely a case of style over substance, but its still enjoyable lol
I firmly believe that people that say that Tobey's face while stoping the train is exaggerated and ridiculous have never lifted weights in his entire life. Not even once.
It's actually something too you yourself have no control over. When I lift weights the muscles in my face does what it want no matter how I try to resist it.
I think the problem is Tobey's face itself, people also critique his crying face. He's a pretty goofy looking dude, it serves Peter Parker well, spider-man not so much, imo.
@@CaptainARR show your face then pretty boy
He looks like he’s taking a shit
His face in general throughout the movies was just cringe worthy.
Raimi knows something about CG. He moves the camera and orders the shots so the CG is always cemented in each scene. This original trilogy is so good, even the roughest effects still look acceptable compared to some stuff that comes out today
One thing I realise is that he always cut to a close up with practical suits on between the cgi sequence, this help make it less noticable, while in mcu case they make the scenes fully cgi and didn't use close ups as much which made the action less easy to follow
Raimi: "You know, I'm something of a VFX artist myself"
The CG shots are still framed in camera like they could’ve been shot practically. Too many filmmakers rely on a completely digital background and a digital camera in which it just starts to feel like a cartoon
Cinnamon Goo?
Apparently Sam Raimi and Mark Webb have been consulted for the production of No Way Home also. I REALLY hope the take Raimi's advice and it works out. The movie is gonna be amazing!
Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2 to me still has some of the best effects, almost every single scene using vfx/sfx just look so perfect, it never occurred to me as a child that anything was faked since it's a movie
I would say it's TASM2
There are some obviously CG scenes, it's still got to be top 5 superhero movies ever though. It's petty much my favourite.
i also thought it was good i was like hmmmmmm spider-man very cool epic movie
I remember someone visiting the housw like 4 years ago and we rewatched it and there was a scene where it was obviously a doll being thrown instead of a real person haha.
@@UnknownedYt very epic arachnoid moment
I think what sells the arms is their “intelligence”. In the scene on the building you can see an arm get ready to attack Spider-Man but Doc falls so it tries to grab the building instead as if it’s an independent being stuck to other beings
Only half way through the vid and feel like I’ve learned so much off just the specular highlights alone
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Man I want these puppets to return in nwh
Oh shit, this is like nick fury showing up at the end of iron man
another fun thing: there haven't been any elevated train tracks in Manhattan since 1973, but every New Yorker I know who has seen it completely forgot about this at least for the duration of the sequence; it's so engaging and it sells the sequence so well that you don't even care about the geography
I think it is more because the movie was going for the 60's esque vibe from the comics. Best example I can think of for that is the Daily Bugle, all the colors are simplified, the architecture is art deco, even the glass in the windows is hazy and unclear like an old building that was made in the 20's.
I can suspend my disbelief for that how engaging that scene is. Or you could just say the Marvel-verse New York isn't the same as ours
I was in NYC a couple years ago and rode an elevated subway so im not sure what youre talking about
I get that you're trying to say there isn't an elevated train in that specific area that spider man was in but I would just like to remind everyone that Harlem is in fact part of the island of Manhattan
@@baqcasanke Right? I was there in 2014 and remember riding them too.
One of the worst give-aways to CG is that the motion is almost always way too smooth and fluid.
Like Peter 3’s Eyes
With how constantly "over-realism" gives away the CG parts, one saying (that very much may be a quote from some fictional character, can't quite recall it) comes to my mind:
One difference between the lies and the truth is that the latter doesn't have to be realistic
imagine a mocap web swing
It's either too smooth and fluid or it moves too quickly and feels weightless.
Spider-Man 2 is literally one of the best Spider-Man movies…
Its the best
Damn straight
frr
The Og trilogy still the best
yeah I love spiderman 2
The CG quality jump from Spider-Man (2002) to Spider-Man 2 (2004) was really really respectable honestly.
One thing that goes unnoticed that I think makes Doc Ock one of the greatest comic villains put to screen is that Raimi made the man and the machine feel like two different characters. The tentacles have so much personality separate from Otto that you can almost hear the internal dialogue between the two in your head. Just expert filmmaking from an under appreciated master of his craft.
It does a lot to sell Otto's conflict. Without being able to "feel" that "dialogue" his internal struggle would just seem like angsty "woe is me" bullshit. Instead, due to Molina's masterful acting and the acting of the tentacles themselves, you genuinely understand some of what is going on inside him. He *genuinely* isn't wholly in control. Mix that with the glimpse we get of Otto's relationship with his wife, and how he feels responsible for her death, and suddenly everything he does is no longer villainy. It's entirely reasonable from his point of view and it's heart breaking. Molina's Doc Ock was never an evil man, he was a loving husband and idealist who had everything but his work taken from him. That was all he had left. So of course he let it consume him.
Nailed It ! Also did you know that in the official novelization of the film, they actually showcase the internal dialogue between Otto and his tentacles
Totally... because the robot arm AI would give even a single shit about him finishing his experiment.
@@RadicalSalman999 oh that's really cool
Yeah a nice addition from raimi
I’m sure someone’s already commented or y’all already know, but Mysterio in the comics was a special effects artist for 60’s films which is why his outfit is so theatrical because of that background, so I thought it was genius that they just made a modern day version of it which I thought was hilarious.
Also I’m glad I wasn’t the only person who thought the SFX in AS2 was cool!
Yeah, I really liked how they updated Mysterio in that way. Really clever
Speaking of Spiderman scenes, I'd love to see them react to the birth of the Sandman scene in Spiderman 3. One of my all-time favorite scenes in any movie. Looking at it now, there was definitely an insane amount of work done to not only animate all that sand, but to somehow make it emote
With Christmas coming up you should do Jack Frost with Michael Keaton where he turns into a snowman
Oh please do!!
And the horror jack frost movie too same episode
Could do Rise of the Guardians too.
And more Iron Man 3 coverage since it's a Christmas movie.
Odd seeing you on a non halo video
Food for thought about the train scene: Superman saving trains is iconic, and it's so easy for him to do it too. That's why Spiderman achieving the same effect but with so much more effort is so amazing. With this scene, movie-spiderman truly elevated himself from being a hero to being a superhero.
As cheesy as Sam Raimi can be sometimes, he is a master storyteller when it comes to visual representation. That tentacle scene is one of the best scenes EVER put to film. I saw a recent breakdown on another channel that did a brilliant analysis of it and described it (correctly, I might add) as "Bloodless Horror". Brutally violent, shocking, and terrifying without ever going over the top and maintaining a "PG" rating.
The level of storytelling in that short scene is some of the best, clearest, concise, and grounded in all of filmdom. You never, for one second, lose track of where any of the characters or action in the scene are in the room. There are so many little 'setups' and 'payoffs' throughout, and in a very real sense, every frame is a painting. Every aspect, from the lighting, angles, audio and sound design, to the visual FX are nearly perfect, especially considering that the vast majority of what you see is captured on set, in-camera.
I couldn't help grinning maniacally like some cinematic villain sitting in front of a screen in his volcanic lair as I watch, wholeheartedly agreeing that it is one of my all-time favorite scenes in any movie, ever.
Nerdwriter1, am I right?
@@MABlacksmith I believe so, yes. I hadn't heard of the channel before seeing that video, so I'm not familiar, but that sounds right. I'd have to go back and look for it to be sure. It was, like... a month or two ago. It popped up in my suggestions (which I usually ignore) and I clicked. All I know for sure is, he was spot-on.
Let just hope he didn't resign from Doctor Strange (2&3) because of 'creative difference' between him and Feige
I think the cheesiness is part of the charm of hismovies i think
@@naiknaik8812 yes, the charm is what made me love the trilogy so much, I love how loveable doc ock and Green goblin are but they are also menacing and a thread to Peter
Something I just realized that I appreciate about you guys is that you never seem to interrupt each other. When one person is knowledgable/excited about something and wants to share, the other two let him speak. Makes it way more enjoyable than if you all were fighting for the spotlight.
"His skin is spider-man colored"
This quote really says it all about why it looks good sometimes and bad sometimes. Does it look like a guy in a spider-man suit or a spider-man colored guy?
MCU Spidey is smoooove lol
I was high when I read this and my brain did not like it
That is why is so good. Spiderman looks like an own character himself.
The other cool thing about Spiderman 2’s loose rippling suit is that the air rippling suit emphasizes the speed of motion, whereas the other suits are too stationary.
"His gun is two sticks taped together and he's not in the room," were not the things I was expecting.
Out of the three movies reviewed, Spider-Man 2 was probably my favorite
TASM 2 has always been one of my biggest guilty pleasures. I know is messy, but for me, it feels like a Spider-Man should feel
Spider man in this movie is compleat, is the spider man we should have, Gwen perfect,
But out of this characters
The entire movie is bad
But the villains
The lines from them
The story of peters parents is just super meh
But Peter and Gwen
And spider man
And specially the cgi
just perfect... That's why I love this movie.
And I understand people hated... But this is my favorite spider man film tho be honest.
@@ailoxtime4479 the cgi in that movie is fucking AMAZING like I literally love how in the 2nd one they made the suit not skin tight so it didn't look like a skin tight man running around they made it look good like no shade to Sam raimi or Jon watts love those movies but I reckon this movie has one of the best cgi in spiderman movies
TASM 2 is my all time favourite Movie, The Costume looks so freaking awesome (like in the Ultimate Spider-man Comics, which are my favourite Comics) the action with electro, the shoots where you are as near on spider-man as possible, the love between Gwen and Peter, The sad scene at the end and the Music from Hans Zimmer makes it one of the greatest Movies for me. +it was in 3D in cinemas, and that was freaking awesome!
Im tobey generation but Tasm 2 is my favorite spidey movie
It's not something to feel guilty about. It's a good spiderman film. Story is kinda wack yes but the new ones are even worse narrative wise. It's justtthat most people arent spidey fans so they dint know shit. The new ones look like common drama so ppl like them more
In the behind-the-scenes of Spider-Man 2 the VFX supervisor talked about how they were always going for a 50/50 split between practical and CG effects. As for the train scene, it was one of the very first things that Raimi had in mind for the movie - and the very first they started prepping up for.
Not overusing CG, having a clear vision and enough time to prep to actually realize said vision are why Spider-Man 2's VFX hold up so well to this day - and why the train fight is still a top contender for best superhero action scene of all time.
Far more admirable than MCU's overuse of CGI which is a joke quite frankly.
Exactly, some of the best stuff comes from using practical effects first, then using CG to elevate them.
TASM2 still has the best visual effects I’ve seen in any Spider-Man movie and most superhero movies in general. I remember watching a feature of the VFX breakdown and it was so impressive and to actually have an actor in a real tangible Spider-Man suit (probably the best suit in live action?) - Perfect
Couldn't be said any better than that bro
And the music/ sound effects are incredible
There's more magic to the effects in the Raimi Spider-Man 2 in my opinion.
FUCKING FACTS
@@anthonymartensen3164 cause it’s okd
I'm a makeup effects artist for film and I have a hard time enjoying movies when I'm so focused on great or bad makeup. Saying "viewing it with these goggles we have on" gave me a genuine light bulb moment that I need to allow myself to take the goggles off sometimes, especially when I forget I'm wearing them. Thanks for that comment!
Sometimes its nice tho when a movie does something REALLY good and you just geek the hell out about it.
The fight scenes between doc and Spider-Man are fast paced but easy to follow
Steady shots, simple cuts that follow motion, action movies need to stop being so lazy and plan their shots better. It’s cool having all this crazy technical gun-fu sure but it comes at the expense of storytelling imo
@@fysean this!! sometimes with a lot of mcu and holland’s spider-man fights it’s quite hard to follow what’s actually happening because there’s so much going on but not enough cuts and varying shots to actually show us
3:00 another easy way to recognize this as CG is the fact that you wouldn't put a bunch of actors near such fast moving objects, the risk of injury is just too high.
The part in the 8 minute mark where they discuss the action feeling disparate from the rest of the film is why I think directors that are action guys first are the best. Chad Stahelski and David Leitch of John Wick/Deadpool/Atomic Blonde, Mad Max director George Miller, James Gunn, their action scenes _always_ feels artistically tied to the rest of the film. Taika Waititi too. I'm not sure if he's completely involved with the action choreo, but some of the most iconic scenes in Thor Ragnarok (the gopro shot of Mjolnir flying and smacking fire demons, the God of Thunder scene on the bridge) were allegedly part of his pitch reel to Marvel Studios, so it was his idea at least.
I hope that for the rest of the new MCU directors, they take a stronger involvement in the action even if the studio says "our previz/stunt guys have this, just worry about the talk-y bits."
Taika Waititi is a god among men.
There's definitely issues with directors who aren't experienced with action trying to do action scenes. Chloé Zhao did Eternals with basically no film experience that wasn't dramatic films with huge sweeping environment scenes.
I think shang chi is a great example of this. They brought in a majority of jackie's team for choreography and filming the action scenes, and since a decent amount of people in the stunt viz were directors themselves, they were constantly working with the pre viz team and the director while filming action scenes, and it shows, shang chi had one of the best fight choreography up there with winter soldier. Having an experienced stunt/action team is a huge advantage.
@@parry111 One of their previous videos had them bring on the Iron Fist coordinator as a guest and he explained how they had a whole stunt crew choreographing every fight scene and the directors and cinematographers would just ruin everything they did on the day of shooting.
@@chitoryu12 I was wondering why Chloe was chosen to direct their epoch-spanning drama about space gods and the ancient eldritch beings that made them, when her entire imdb page seems to be about indie cowboy movies. I wonder which shots in the film are actually hers, and which are the previz team, because the only time I was really engaged in Eternals was when Gemma Chan's character would go into space and talk to their god. Oh and without wishing to spoil, Omni Man is still the best subversion of The Superman.
I rewatched The Amazing Spider-Man 2 the other week cuz I rewatched all the movies, but yeah as flawed and dumb as a lot of the stuff is in it (and I definitely acknowledge those flaws), I can't deny how much I love and enjoy that movie. Not even in the ironic "so bad it's good" sense I just genuinely enjoy it and have fun with it. I feel like I'm the only person in the world who feels this way lol
Trust me you aren't. I actually really enjoyed the reboots.
Yep, you are nowhere near alone with that opinion. Especially with all the new discussion about after NWH, more people are saying how much they loved those movies and more people are going back and seeing that they are still good, or at least, nowhere near as terrible as they thought.
i totally get you. tasm2 was the first big superhero movie that i ever watched in theaters when i was 12 and i became obsessed with those movies because of it. i always loved andrew’s version of spider-man and his overall portrayal (visually) in his movies but always, too, felt so disoriented by all of the hate that his spider-man received until very recently. i also just rewatched the sequel a couple weeks ago and, with more mature eyes, completely recognized the dog trash writing and obnoxiously convoluted plot it suffered from. But i still deeply enjoyed watching it. I’m choosing to settle on the conclusion that this movie consists of some of the most polarizing aspects in cinema history. The performance that garfield gave was so unbelievably good that it couldn’t be ruined by the trash dialogue, his onscreen chemistry with emma stone was too real to not get hopelessly invested in, and the visual craftsmanship was just so grounded in reality that it made the most outlandish superhero feats fill me with awe rather than disbelief. everyone doing the heavy lifting in this franchise did their jobs perfectly while people that were giving directions went completely off the rails. after seeing some of the scenes that were cut from the final version, i honestly wouldn’t have wanted to see where this franchise was heading before being cut short, but i did want more of andrew’s spidey. his version, in the most specific sense, deserved better.
@@mairenoates8294 I totally agree. TASM 2 was the first big movie I remember being super excited for, and back then it totally paid off. I was obsessed with Electro at that age, and when I re-watched it recently, I wholeheartedly expected it to be a pile of garbage that I had been looking at through nostalgic lenses, but what surprised me was that it was somehow even better than I remembered. The way the cinematography, the visual effects, the art design, soundtrack and sound design is so meticulously crafted astounds me now just as much as it astounded me as a kid, and I now see more clearly than ever that that movie was the first spark which led me to a love of filmmaking which I now pursue as a career.
I slept midway through the movie
Can we establish that Tobey’s Spidey films have the best VFX in the early to mid 2000s ever and Andrew’s Spidey sequel having the best opening scene ever. The VFX for Tom’s Spidey films do tend to look real and fake at the same time. The Nick Fury scene in Far From Home is the most hilariously shot sequence, just green screen a man, then comp him into a scene, Just the sheer meta humour with Mysterio, The dream sequence, The water effects, The MCU is really showing us some great VFX and if not sometimes lazy writing that Wren states about Spider-Man 2 2 (TASM2). Can’t wait to see them react to VFX when No Way Home comes out.
Lord of the Rings might have it beat but it's still close
Attack of the Clones looks amazing too if you rewatch it on Blu-Ray on a nicely calibrated screen.
@@jetri4111 I think Dead Man's Chest is phenomenal from a VFX perspective, but the first one looks pretty rough by today's standards
@@jetri4111 I agree. That goblin glider looks real rubbery in some scenes
no way home vfx arent even done yet
I personally think TASM 1 (and 2) have the best ever Spider-Man CGI yet
They really do. By a long shot tbh.
Oh absolutely. It’s not even close
Cap
They really do. I wonder wtf happened with MCU/Sony Spidey . I rarely believe i am looking at Tom Holland or even a double in a suit.
@@alwaysxnever I'm pretty sure alot of the stunts are done by Tom Holland
At least as much as he can
The more dangerous one's are double
Woah, Niko Made a great point at 6:11 where an octopus still performs the last action it was given, which actually makes a ton of sense why the tentacles were so hyperfocused on rebuilding Ock's machine again, since that was his last thought while he had control over them.
Er, what? The tentacles have literally nothing to do with a biological octopus.
Mind = Blown!
I gotta say, to me TASM 2 is one of the spiderman movies that i liked less overall, but I enjoyed that last sequence because i thought it was a great idea to produce the sequence as a visual techno tune. I admit that it looks too over the top and witht the flaws mentioned here at around 11:00, but i did enjoy it.
The fact that TASM 2 pulled off photorealistic shots back in 2014 WITH A 4K DI still blows my mind.
Just wish the movie could’ve lived up to the VFX.
Same.I also wish the MCU suit could look as detailed and realistic.
@@alwaysxnever It really bugs me how both Disney and SONY have all these resources but squander them through laziness and poor direction.
Raimi is just a great director. I would even say old school director with a distinct style. A true auteur. You always can tell, when Raimi directed a movie. I am really curious, how Dr. Strange will turn out. How much of Raimi will shine through.
Your use of commas really threw me off
Web swinging from beginning of Amazing spider-man2 is incredible. never gets old.
Tobey maguires screeching and screaming and funny facial expressions are part of what made his spidey awesome. The train save constipation face was right in character with the 'im back!... my back!' scene. The former was serious and the latter played for laughs, but both were totally appropriate.
9:50 love the kind of quick stop it makes, you can feel the physics of him going high speed then sudden little stop when he gets to that breaking point in the pendulum motion.
I’d be interested to see Corridor break down the Great Gatsby. Practically every scene in that movie has CGI in it in some way, shape, or form.
That movies kinda not very good lol
@@plywoodruntz hahahaha true, but the cgi is
@@adamfabry4625 lol it must be, I never would've guessed
@@plywoodruntz I've seen the movie once and I thought it was pretty good. Don't really know what would make it such a bad movie.
@@gagetaylor192 it grossly misunderstands the point of the story. Making Nick into this completely nice person betrays the point of the narrative. He's sort of judgemental and a bit of a dick with women in the book. I normally don't mind it when adaptations make changes but in this case it really messes with the idea that nobody is blameless. It's really important to what Fitzgerald wrote.
I honestly genuinely like Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man in the suit. He nails the banter in a way we haven't really gotten yet in a live-action version, and his physicality is :chef's kiss:. It's the rest of the movies around him (including his Peter Parker) that just... ugh.
Andrew did a great job playing both sides of the character, not just the Spider-Man side.
@@theatheistbear3117 I really hated his portrayal of Peter. I can maybe agree with the banter of Spider-Man, but Tobey's Peter is someone I would love to hang out with and learn from, Andrew's Peter is someone I desperately want to 'teach a lesson.'
@@anonymousaccordionist3326 that's why we love his Peter Parker version
@@anonymousaccordionist3326 his Peter Parker is a very realistic teenager/highschooler, so I like his. He reminds me of myself years ago, but obv Tobey's Peter is better
@@theatheistbear3117 Sorry, but I really disagree, Peter is supposed to be a super nerdy, shy kid. Andrew was way too cool to play him properly.
6:59 I completely agree. I love it when characters have to improvise.
Dude holy crap, Sam raimi's Spider-Man 2 is my favorite movie of all time. That guy really really understood Spider-Man. But even I didn't know about how much work went into creating doc ock's character and the way the arms "think". That being based on the actual physiology of an octopus? That has got to be some of the coolest fucking shit I've ever heard. Thank you Niko for teaching me something new.
Edit: in defense of Marc Webb's Amazing Spider-Man 2, that film is a genuine pleasure to watch. The way certain scenes were shot like in particular the opening sequence or the first "fight" with Electro were so damn cool and fun to watch that regardless of the bad writing and all that it looks, kind of *amazing*.
Honestly, you're one of the few people that I've seen who appreciates both Raimi films and The Amazing films. The TASM movies are special to me because of Andrew's portrayal and the slo-mo scenes that showed his Spidey senses were amazing to witness but they have shitty writing no doubt whereas Spider-Man 2 will be one of the best superhero movies of all time. It really understood the character a lot better.
@@WilliamButtlicker oh yeah I feel that my dude, it's extremely rare to find somebody like that. So it's a pleasure to speak with you, and I completely agree, fundamentally Sam Raimi really cared about the character Spider-Man and was able to pull off a damn good movie as well. Spider-Man 2 in my opinion is essentially perfect as far as movies go. Like how much that movie resonated with me as a kid I probably couldn't realistically describe. Aside from saying that it just makes you want to be a better person and Spider-Man is very inspiring.
And I actually have heard some information talking about how Mark Webb wanted to make the movies pretty different from how they turned out. Some corporate BS got in the way though. That doesn't change the fact that those movies are really damn fun to watch. That scene where he was saving the people on the stairs in Times Square blew my fucking mind. The Slow Mo in that moment was so well done and so cool.
And this is probably unpopular but I really don't care at all about the Disney Marvel franchise version of Spider-Man. Because just like all of the other characters in their Universe there are no consequences. Nothing bad actually happens to the characters, at least not anything that would have a lasting impact. And we know to expect that because it's Disney and they only care about making a franchise. Like they obviously don't care to understand Spider-Man as a character. And it sucks, like I wish that they would care to make more films that feel like they have an actual impact. That's just me though, does that make sense?
@@jordanfelt5978 Exactly, I mean that'd have been the first time we'd have seen the Sinister Six in live action if Webb had got his third film. I still think that just like Ben Affleck's Batman, Andrew deserved more time with Spider-Man. He had genuine love for the character and he looked more comfortable to me than both Tobey and Tom. I hope we see him in No Way Home.
And about the MCU version, I know where you're coming from because it's already a pretty big universe with loads of character and sometimes it does feel that the character of Spider-Man isn't getting the charm that it deserves in the MCU. Homecoming was a good film ngl but Far From Home kinda irked me too. And I'm a huge fan of the MCU so that is saying something. But atleast we're getting to see three different versions of Spider-Man in live action so that's a win. And I hope No Way Home serves that question of the impact that has been missing from this version. Whatever the case, It's a good time to be a Spidey fan lol.
@@WilliamButtlicker oh yeah I agree with what you said about Marc Webb Spider-Man, I actually really liked Andrew Garfield as Spiderman. He was goofy as hell and it was enjoyable to watch and of course the romance in those films was great.
As far as the MCU goes, I'm excited for the upcoming no way home for the same reasons you are basically. I just don't know if I trust Disney to do it right. Outside of that pretty much all their films feel like the same thing now, over and over again with different characters in my opinion. The movies literally all feel the same and they're not interesting anymore, we already know to expect that there are no real consequences for their characters. Honestly, does it not feel way too 'samey'?
@@WilliamButtlicker 1 doesn’t have bad writing at all imo
Pertaining to the scene with Jackson and Holland, I feel like Marvel does this a lot. Regardless, if you can pull it off with CGI, it doesn’t mean it’s right. Actors feed off each other when they’re on set together. Lots of actors find this type of practice suffocating. It’s a simple enough scene to pull off by shooting them separately but I hate how comfortable studios are doing this.
I mean according to corridor crew it's because of their scheduling but still...
I mean they wouldn't deliberately do it through CGI as it would cost them a lot more. It maybe because they don't really have a choice because of the scheduling of every star in the film. And imo, if it isn't noticable, it's a really good job.
Oh but did you notice that he wasn't there when you watched it?
I bet not, so what is the problem?
At this point it's the actors choice. If it is important to them to be on stage, then they should be flexible with their schedule.
I agree. I think the actors should be together as much as possible. They can feed off of each other's energy that way.
Spidey films only fall over when there's a human face on a CG character.
What I love about Mysterio is that the mocap suit integrates the comic book suits iconography. I really liked Mysterio, and despite being apparently a one and done character, I like how he's basically the reason why the real multiverse explodes, which is super ironic given the illusions he chooses in this movie. His impact on the MCU is legitimately massive and a neat reverse flip of Iron Man who started the last phase of movies. It's such a nice twist of irony, where a 'fraud' of a villain actually presents the biggest existential threat to the hero and has now done infinitely more damage to the universe than Thanos ever could. Mysterio is arguably the biggest pain in the ass Spidey has ever faced. I just really liked everything about this take on Mysterio.
That's such a good point, I never thought of it like that, but he talks about a fake multiverse and then causes the real one, that's fantastic!
He didn't cause the multiverse to explode though. That's Loki and Kang.
@@JADNCK i mean do we know what actually caused the multiverse to split for sure? There's a moment where Kang stops being able to see and control the time stream, and I suspect it could be Dr Strange in NWH who causes that to happen
@@JADNCK
He exposed Peter Parker who then ripped open the dimensional fabric by botching a spell of Doctor Strange. If Mysterio hadn't done anything then the multiverse of madness wouldn't have happened.
Loki simply turned the multiverse back on. Peter Parker and Strange blew the reactor.
Its kind of like a WW1 causing WW2 thing. If WW1 never happened the events that caused WW2 wouldn't have existed. Yes, there are agents in the story more directly responsible, but in the MCU Spideys fight with Mysterio is like his World War 1 event.
@@MrMisanthrope84 Peter didn’t botch the spell, that’s what Strange thinks but it’s always been Loki and Kang.
In defense of tasm 2, the contusion of Gwen and peters relationship is amazing, him struggling with captain Stacey’s death is awsome
All Im hoping for is the VFX teams for No Way Home will keep true enough to the past work done from each of Spideys past film villians before, ESPECIALLY Electro cause the amount of effort and detail that was put by SonyImageWorks was so OUTSTANDING that it deserved Oscar level recognition. Thank you Corridor Crew for this breakdown
well it's still image works working on no way home (and also far from home)
Electro was no longer that blue smurf you see
They went with the more comic like kind
Where he has his human skin with yellow electricity
@@lag00n54 And I'm happy their respecting the comic accuracy to that (cause Jamie lookin better like that), but I'm hoping it'll be as we saw in the trailer with hopefully some similar effects that his time in TAS2 had with the lightning flow from how he moves and his strikes but with of course the yellow lightning touch
@@danieleanzaldi Yeah I know but just hoping they'll keep similar to the work they've done past from TAS2 Electro but just his visual electric effects from ways of his movements and attacks
Yep definitely agree.
I love how they incorporated the practical arms into Spider-Man 2. I bet you some of those shots will outperform some of the shots in No Way Home.
Spiderman 2 train scene is probably one of the greatest action scene in any superhero movie… Thanks Sam Raimi👌
Sam is a visionary. His take on biologically convert him to have spider like powers instead of a device to shoot webs which is something true to comic books, but hey creative liberties. It was such a genius move. Spiderman 1 was a great origin story
@@thecompanioncube4211 wholly agreed.
It still boggles my mind now Dock Ock was able to take as many punches as he did in this movie. (I know Spider-Man definitely holds back his punches but that is still lots of punches to the face, it’s impressive 😆)
I wish 16 people would follow me around and puppeteer giant tentacles for me.. almost more than I wish I just regularly had the tentacles 😂
do you mean friends?
Hot damn, I know that guy. You’re famous.
What would bjj do with the tentacles? 😝
I love that they played the Black Panther music when Gui showed up. That was so perfect!
TASM2 is such a shame because nearly everything about the movie is flawless aside from the writing. The cinematography is incredible, the actors are well cast and the score is great. But the story and writing is atrocious. Unfortunately, Garfield gets a lot of flak for his portrayal of the character despite the fact that the issues with it are not his fault.
TASM2 fall prey on chopping of scenes by Sony...there's of footage of peter parker interaction with Mary jane, his father, uncle ben's flashback... but in the final product.. the whole MJ character was put out of the film...
i genuinely feel TASM2 got the same treatment like JL theatrical release.
Yeah and that's the thing people at some point forget all this kind of details just because of the script. Cause just talking from the visuals in this saga or specific in TASM 2 as they said they nailed the look with the suit, along side with the figth scenes and the fractions where you can have the perspective of Andrew swinging in New York, the lapses where time slows down so you can see what it's happening around him. But then the script comes and it's the thing sadly overshadows everything amazing about this movie, but in at somepoints the script make sense or is good, cause being honest there scenes in which you get to empathize with the character or well, and get the oportunity to see Spiderman as a normal person
where the phrase "anyone can wear the mask" makes a lot of sense, and the thing with electro, it is an absurd drama, because that is the way which they present it in the comics for a while, as in the animated series that they released in 2012 and it is never bad to be able to see a different appearance of the characters, being something they've done lately with Tom's spider-man and his 20,000 suits hahaha
They also removed his dad showing up at the end where he faked his death.
I mean....there was that grasping Web hand that I think isn't the writings fault.
Fr man. Andrew gave a great performance despite the material not being that good.
14:22 i just noticed a little trick that makes the waterboy hit HARD. There is a little pre camera shakea frame or two before the impact, then it wiggles more!
Like a rumble underground before an eruption! Wow!
Now thats what I call an effective....effect! 😅
I'd love if you covered a bit of the Amazing Spider-Man 1 cause a lot of the behind the scenes is so interesting and cool, plus it's like the only spiderman to do practical web swinging; it always astounds me that they had a whole backlot for most of New York in the movie.
They already did in another video just look up the amazing Spider-Man.
Nope. They did practical swinging for the MCU version too.
@@skepticalbadger interestingly, both Holland and Garfield were gymnasts when they were young
Imo TASM 2 is by far the most visually stunning of the Spider-Man movies, and it brings some of the best performances with it (Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone have unparalleled chemistry). But it's such a cluster fuck of occasionally good, but mostly terrible writing. It's such a shame Sony interfered so much with the production of the film. I wish Mark Webb was given the opportunity to tell the movie as he originally intended.
The fact that Gui just shows up - I'm jealous. You guys have made some really awesome connections with some really awesome people.
Part reason why this scene feels cool is that Sam Raimi took inspiration from his earlier horror movies
Please do an Animators react to Arcane. Its so beatiful I need someone to tell me how they did it so I can appreciate it more.
Yesss, I would love that! ^-^
I love that show yea they should do that
I second this!!! I would adore seeing that
+1 to this, it would be really nice ;p
I wanted to comment exactly this, but i was like, someone probably has already asked this, and yes, here it is
Hype for new Spider-man movie is real! Can’t wait to see it!
@WETA♥️ what 💀🗿
So you're excited for Spider Man too?
@@erictuthill9029 nothing gets past you
Toby spiderman 3 didn't get good reviews, third andrew garifeld movie never came, so I hope this will redeem the trilogies.
@Dzie Kuje Spiderman 3 was garbache.. I said I hope this movie will redeem the fact that spiderman 3 was bad and Andrew gardield was non existant. What’s your problem?
I rewatched it today. after finishing, i was thinking the vfx was way ahead of its time, it'd be cool to see corridor crew react and breakdown this😅
Andrew is such a great spiderman, hes always so funny and quipy, especially in the first movie with the car jacking scene, probably my favorite spiderman scene ever
Dysktra, Johnson and his team produced so many best visuals for Spider-Man 2, it was easily the most well produced in terms of visual effects of the Spider-Man films made to date IMO.
I think the reason a CG Spider-Man looks so photo-realistic is because in every scene where his mask is off, the actor is almost always standing on some sort of surface. But in almost all of the scenes where Spider-Man is swinging, the mask is on is face. Because the way people can tell it's CG is by looking the face. You can't make a face look super photo-real because a face is always moving. But the reason Spider-Man is the best in CG is because you can't see his face, and it's all up to the lighting.
I don’t like the movie but I’ll always defend the design for electro, hes meant to look like how he does in the ultimate universe
Exactly!
Shame they wouldn't acknowledge that fact
Did the Ultimates version come first, or did the comics copy the movie?
@@williamzebub3252 the movie took inspiration from the comics
His design is fine but that final battle CGI just looks rough.
You know what the Tom holland spider man’s are missing, more aerial fights. That’s what made the Tobey Maguire ones awesome.
Wrong
@@masonwright7700 no Mason, I’m WRIGHT!
At the end of Far From Home Spiderman is zipping around the bridge solving problems and obliterating drones left and right and that, to me, is the most Spiderman action sequence I've ever seen in a Spiderman movie. Also, it's an Aerial fight, so I'm not sure I agree with you on that one.
@@alanroberts6086 yeah, I just feel like there were more fights while swinging through the city and stuff.
Needs more wall crawling fights!
TASM2 still has the best looking Spidey, the perfect quips for Spidey and most importantly the best swinging action is any Spider-Man movie to date.
I hope we get some good swinging action in No Way Home cuz the swinging in the first two ones are NOT it.
Unlikely
Too bad the movies are trash
Andrew was also the spideriest Spidey. If there's one thing I wish they did more of, it's having a real SPIDER-Man.
@TheRealRogerEbert bruh their talking about the live action spidey
I mean of course into the spider verse was best at capturing the momentum cause it was animated. In an animated movie you can make the characters move in many ways a real human being can't.
If only Andrew could choose an accent. Is he a raspy voiced teen or the nerd from Social Network with non-raspy accent? Also, the quips would be alright if he wasn’t just letting Rhino plow through pedestrian vehicles ( most likely occupied) while making needless jokes. I will say that the CG suit was dope though. Loved the wrinkles moving in the wind. Happy they put the work in after being caught stealing the animation from Mirrors Edge.
Coming from a mechanical engineering perspective, knowing where and when Dr. Ocs arms were CGI was super fun having made a bunch of cable control mechanisms before
that train scene is the most iconic , alfred molena nailed his role
Amazing Spiderman 2 suit was AMAZING! They should bring some of that back
Sam is right about the new suits going back to old CG. They even did the same to Iron man. He used to have a suit made of individual parts, sure it didn't make physical sense where the parts were coming from. Take the suitcase suit from iron man 2, movie was pretty meh overall but that one suit sequence is better than any of the iron man scenes in the latest marvel movies.
The fact that they got so lazy as writers to move to nanobots, not only does it solve every problem perfectly; Tony can just make any thing from any part of his suit. It also makes the effects boring. All you need to do is create an effect of the nano bots forming a shape and transition from start to end. There's no figuring out where the interesting parts come from, only having those parts once.
Even in iron man 3, when he shoots the individual parts onto Pepper as the building is exploding. It's so cool seeing each piece land, attach and then unfold.
With the nanobots, they just turn into a continous shape like black panther or spiderman. Boring and adds to that unreal effect
I hate that every superhero in MCU almost have that magically disappearing mask/helmet nowdays.
Now that you mention it it does seem like a weird and obviously inferior choice.
For Iron Man especially. I mean he's IRON man. Not nanobot man. He's gotta have a ton of mechanical parts on his suit.
Nanobots are just like a degree away from magic, like green lantern or something.
@@SquareNoggin It wasn't lazy writing for Tony's. In the comics, Iron man's suit progressed to nanobots as time went on. What's lazy is that EVERYONE seemingly has a nanobot suit.
Functionally (practical use for combat in-verse) it's better to have a fully assembled suit that you can then add onto with the nanobots, but you brought up an even better point: the visuals. Even with better CGI as the years go on, it stood out more and more to me as the suits became more seamless. The biggest offender, in my opinion, was in Civil War when it started to go less bulky armor pieces which consequently gave it pretty awful floating head syndrome, and despite them largely mitigating that (not entirely though) it still doesn't even feel as good as the first few movies of it where it was mostly practical but touched up with CGI and had individually noticeable pieces.
@@SquareNoggin unfortunately he ISN'T IRON MAN
His suit was a gold-titatnium alloy in the first place. It never was Iron in the movies.
So, him donning a nano-suit won't do any injustice to his name, not say it does take away a part of realism.
I love when Doc Oc is holding Aunt May and she's just hovering there, holding her purse and umbrella like being pinched on her back by as robotic claw and holding her out in the air is no bother for a 70 year old woman.
The Doc Ock arms are beyond incredible. Like you can tell that each one has their own personality.
Idc what y'all say. I absolutely love the TASM series. Personally dont understand the hate. I'm just glad my boy Andrew got a 2nd chance as well!
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TASM 2 makes me cry every time, the grieving scenes are too real. Between the director's choices on those and Andrew's acting immediately after the impact, it's a real tear-jerker
Spider-Man 2 is still the best superhero movie. It brought comic books into the mainstream, had great character development and stakes, and of course great action.
Its up there but the dark knight is better
@@Sadvillainy nah Spiderman 2 is better. TDK is regarded so high cus of heath ledger acting which is brilliant ofc but exclude that then even Batman begins is a better Batman story than tdk. TDK is great and but the Nolan fanboys hail it as the best movie of all time which is quite hilarious..
@@AyushBhadouria this cant be a serious assessment of that movie lmao. One of those beloved and celebrated comic book movies of all time and you put that on Ledgers death and Nolan fanboys??? Lmao stop it.
@@Sadvillainy Spiderman 2 and Logan are objectively better CBM than TDK, cope.
@@AyushBhadouria you're clearly a marvel fanboy. You'll never feel the touch of a woman. Cope.
Always fun to see your work featured like this.
(I modelled the gun at the end)
Great work as always Corridor digital!
0:50 I SHALL NOT STAND THIS. I LOVEEEE TASM 2
"The power of the sun in the palm of my hand" made me tear up when I saw No Way Home
The power of the sun....
spider-man 2 is one of the best super hero films of all time, definitely debatably the best spider-man film
The amazing spiderman 2 is just a vfx masterpiece
It's so cool seeing y'all talk about the arms in Spider-Man 2 (2004) because I remember watching all the behind the scenes dvd clips about the arms and just being in awe of it. Spider-Man 2 really does hold up CGI-wise in so many ways! Also, good luck getting tix for NWH (if you haven't already) :)
Not the black panther sound at gui's entrance😂😂 12:39
I honestly think that Raimi’s trilogy still has the most fluid and natural looking Spidey swinging VFX out of all the Spidey movies, including the more recent MCU movies. It holds up really, really well.
It looks more like he’s gliding half the time
true! I really like his flexibility in those movies, seems more like a hero and there's so much of energy when he's fighting !!
nah. the swinging vfx in the tasm movies was way better to me out of all spider-man movies tbh
Tasm2 cgi is the greatest
Definately not but still best Spider-Man movies. I like SM3 CG better.
7:38 you actually do see it being crushed in before it cuts away and back again. It happens in a split second, but it does happen before the cut
I've often said Raimi's Spider-man 2 is my favorite superhero film (possibly tied with The Dark Knight), but it's been a while since I watched it. Seeing bits of it again, it's not just nostalgia...DANG is it good! Gonna need to watch it again ASAP. Can't wait to see what Raimi does with Doctor Strange 2!!
(I also went as MoCap Mysterio for Halloween in 2019!)
That opening sequence in Spider-Man 2 is one of my favourite scenes in all Spider-Man movies
That amazing hospital scene from Spider-Man 2 (2004) is so Evil Dead (awesome horror classics also by Sam Raimi), it scared the sh*t outta me when I saw it as a kid. And it's the only time where the movie turned into a horror film. Yet it doesn't feel out of place at all. It's super well directed and I'm glad Sam Raimi decided to film that part Like it's a horror film.
Yeah, I love that Raimi has the distinct style. The tight zooms. The crazy angles. And his consistent and fun uses of it over decades is excellent.
There are few great scenes in Oz; the Great and Powerful with that technique.
The Spider-Man 2 Trilogy is still my all time favorite.
The original Spider-Man 2 is still a really fun watch, unsurprisingly
I personally don't think it held up that well. It's good, don't get me wrong, but in no way as 'legendary' as some people make it seem.
As is the Amazing Spider-Man 2, I could watch that movie a thousand times and not get tired of those flawless visuals and music.
@@ParzivalTheThird the movie is so trash
@@MythosFilmsYT It’s legendary
Amazing spiderman 2 had pretty great visuals like those when electro first appears in public...
I think that the Amazing Spider-Man 2 has great emotional moments though, like Peter's talks with Aunt May and Gwen Stacy's death. They're actually pretty good. Also, I ain't never seen Diggy Gorgonzolaz and the Corridor Crew in the same room.
I think the second movie is even better than the first
I think TASM2 had some very impactful scenes and a nice message of continuing to take up your responsibility in the midst of sadness and sorrows. I don't get why people are so rough on it. It's definitely NOT one of the worst movies of all time, that statement pisses me off.
To bad those moments are dew and fare between and we instead have to spend a bunch of time on harry trying to get Magic spider blood and turning into the worst green goblin ever.
@@galactic85 Doesn't take away from all those good moments tho. His talk with aunt may, Gwen's death, the ending speech, his visions of Gwen's dad etc were all done extremely well. Electro wasn't an awful villain imo, mainly due to Jaimie Foxx' performance. Harry was extremely bad, but that's the only big downfall of the movie imo. Apart from that I think it's a good Spider-Man movie
I feel like it's abit unfortunate you only stuck to the sequals in each franchise because tasm 1 has some incredible web swinging sequences that would have been fun to see you break down
yes so true, the hallway fight with the lizard that is entirely cg looks so good; and the spectacular use of a back lot and practical effects for most scenes are really cool.
Did anyone else notice that he's wearing a Vildhjarta band t-shirt for their new album Måsstaden under vatten which is a Swedish metal band that is a masterpiece! I had no idea Corridor Crew had great taste in music :)
Such a good band!
@@aefilmsweddings Couldn't agree more :)
@@StarlordStavanger Metal music sucks