VFX Artists React to SPIDER-MAN 2s Bad & Great CGi
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The amazing spider man was like green lantern it was horrible
The fight scenes in TASM MOVIES were great y’all tripping
Love you guys! Wish I could work with you!
One great thing about Dr Octopus' arms being puppeteered instead of CG animated is that their movement feeds back into the actor they're attached to, which in turn gives them weight and makes them appear real and dangerous. When they are CG, they appear more floaty and weightless.
Ufff yeah, still can't watch the fist three movies because each time actors get animated they fly about hollow styrofoam muppets.
Let's hope they continue to do that in the new upcoming Spiderman movie with Doc Oct in it. I'm worried they'll just CG the fuck out of everything leaving out the wonderful Sam Raimi practical SFX.
Yup ..but that's what alfred molina isn't worried about now is the cgi .. coz the puppets are heavy for his back ..that's what he said on interview with willem defoe and jamie foxx ...
@@MattJett doubt it. In the trailer it already looks like the arms are going to be only cg
And also having the practical effects as a reference probably helped the animators to think about how the tentacles should move to sell the illusion better, even if there were limitations to it.
Sam nailed it with the "I'd like to see your face while your stopping a train." Real life superheroes would not look cool 100% of the time
It would pretty much look like me putting all my effort into anything. There's no separate "Train stopping face" that happens only in that scenario. Toby just has a dumb 'best effort' face. Love this movie though!
Exactly, I kind of like that he's just giving it his all regardless of how it looks. Makes it more authentic than Captain America grabbing the rail from below to stop Bucky from escaping in the helicopter just so they could shoot a juicy bicep curl. All these superhero movies give the impression that those huge amounts of effort wouldn't cause your face to distort.
So yeah, I appreciated Maguire's silly face because it's finally some realism.
There's never a scene of a superhero having diarrhea so he can't fight crime, or sitting on the toilet right when things are happening so they have to choose between wiping and saving someone. Or imagine if batman had a cold so he'd sound even more dumb, I'd wanna see that
@@asdfffs That sounds amazing XD
And yeah, while I can absolutely understand that's it's not compelling tv to have superheroes go through the day-to-day of going to the bathroom or shaving etc., often stuff is written in such a way that it's extremely unlikely they'd have the time or opportunity to do that stuff. Does Captain America shave every time before he goes out the door? Does Black Widow get regular haircuts so her hair doesn't change much over longer periods of time? If they're on a mission that takes all day, where do they go to the bathroom? Are they taking clean underwear with them or do they all have horrible infections? Why aren't their teeth falling out or is there an allotted moment during the day where they're all brushing their teeth? So many questions! XD
Plus I really would like to see that. Wren would look hilarious.
I firmly believe that people that say that Tobey's face while stoping the train is exaggerated and ridiculous have never lifted weights in his entire life. Not even once.
It's actually something too you yourself have no control over. When I lift weights the muscles in my face does what it want no matter how I try to resist it.
I think the problem is Tobey's face itself, people also critique his crying face. He's a pretty goofy looking dude, it serves Peter Parker well, spider-man not so much, imo.
@@CaptainARR show your face then pretty boy
He looks like he’s taking a shit
His face in general throughout the movies was just cringe worthy.
I always liked Toby McGuire's strange faces when Spider-Man's mask comes off, as it's more realistic than looking cool while your arms are being dislocated and it shows the importance of a full face mask for a crime fighter, especially for a teenager
Tobey* Maguire*
@@englishatheart Do you just chill in the comments waiting to correct everyone on Tobey’s name?
@@englishatheart bruh what is your obsession with Tobys name
@@Broccoli_32 What is wrong with correcting someone's spellings? Would you appreciate someone writing your name wrong?
@@dragonbane44 It’s about the 5th comment she’s made correcting someone on it. Also yeah I don’t care if someone I don’t know spells my name wrong lol
Not many people seem to talk about this, but one of the biggest differences is how the hero from Spiderman 2 doesn't just take the pain. He screams! It makes him more relatable, and we can SEE his pain whenever the mask is off. It's one of the biggest contributing factors that make it hold up even today.
Tobey Macguire's Spiderman always got injured, sometimes badly. It made it more believable somehow, even though other superheroes get hurt too
That's part of what makes the train scene so good. His sceams and facial expressions perfectly match somebody getting pulled limp from limp
@@owens.studios Exactly! When the couch smiled and laughed at Tobey's grimacing while saving the train, I thought, "Dude, those are the EXACT faces a human would make if they were just durable enough to survive this shit."
Yea but there are also some good things about spiderman two as well as spiderman two
@@King_Neptune69 what about Homecoming?..
7:44 THANK YOU!
Toby’s faces were real. They may not have been the most pleasing thing to look at but the emotion conveyed was very real.
Tobey*
@@englishatheart do you spend all day correcting people about tobey's name?
@@horseoperamarker maybe she does
Just like Nick Cage in the Wickerman bees section.
JGrace Calm down, it’s just a simple correction! It should be obvious that it’s informative rather that malicious.
Don’t care what anyone says about The Amazing Spider-Man movies: the effects, especially the web swinging sequences, are awesome
Hell yea, though amazing 2’s story is a bit wonky, those movies are underrated and its effects are incredible
That's what everyone says
@@chato. Nah, it's pretty fairly rated, really bad writing, mediocre at best directing, pretty decent/good effects overall is the consensus as far as I'm aware
@@alexhobson5478Loads of folks mention Garfield’s and Stone’s undeniable chemistry as a high point in the Amazing Spider-Man franchise too.
its definitely a case of style over substance, but its still enjoyable lol
I think what sells the arms is their “intelligence”. In the scene on the building you can see an arm get ready to attack Spider-Man but Doc falls so it tries to grab the building instead as if it’s an independent being stuck to other beings
i’m actually really impressed with the work that went into Spiderman 2 (2004). the CGI was obviously noticeable but definitely still really good for it’s time. great film
And it was 2004 when computer games were still at world of Warcraft level
yea dude, they knocked it out of the park.
If you downgrade the resolution and watch it on an old TV (like people used to do at that time), will be really hard to notice anything.
its*
How does everyone notice CGI so easily??
The opening swinging sequence for Amazing Spider Man 2 is absolutely stunning.
But also makes 0 sense on how he got up in the air...
@@metalcrusader6662 Dude, You're finding " sense" In Superhero Movies? Are You Insane Or something?
@@metalcrusader6662 he jumped of a helicopter
@@metalcrusader6662 u don't make a fuckin sense
@@metalcrusader6662 he can literally catapult himself in the air, he's done in it in every spiderman series
Spider-Man 2 is literally one of the best Spider-Man movies…
Its the best
Damn straight
frr
The Og trilogy still the best
yeah I love spiderman 2
Speaking of Spiderman scenes, I'd love to see them react to the birth of the Sandman scene in Spiderman 3. One of my all-time favorite scenes in any movie. Looking at it now, there was definitely an insane amount of work done to not only animate all that sand, but to somehow make it emote
Raimi knows something about CG. He moves the camera and orders the shots so the CG is always cemented in each scene. This original trilogy is so good, even the roughest effects still look acceptable compared to some stuff that comes out today
One thing I realise is that he always cut to a close up with practical suits on between the cgi sequence, this help make it less noticable, while in mcu case they make the scenes fully cgi and didn't use close ups as much which made the action less easy to follow
Raimi: "You know, I'm something of a VFX artist myself"
The CG shots are still framed in camera like they could’ve been shot practically. Too many filmmakers rely on a completely digital background and a digital camera in which it just starts to feel like a cartoon
Cinnamon Goo?
Apparently Sam Raimi and Mark Webb have been consulted for the production of No Way Home also. I REALLY hope the take Raimi's advice and it works out. The movie is gonna be amazing!
The CG quality jump from Spider-Man (2002) to Spider-Man 2 (2004) was really really respectable honestly.
I rewatched The Amazing Spider-Man 2 the other week cuz I rewatched all the movies, but yeah as flawed and dumb as a lot of the stuff is in it (and I definitely acknowledge those flaws), I can't deny how much I love and enjoy that movie. Not even in the ironic "so bad it's good" sense I just genuinely enjoy it and have fun with it. I feel like I'm the only person in the world who feels this way lol
Trust me you aren't. I actually really enjoyed the reboots.
Yep, you are nowhere near alone with that opinion. Especially with all the new discussion about after NWH, more people are saying how much they loved those movies and more people are going back and seeing that they are still good, or at least, nowhere near as terrible as they thought.
i totally get you. tasm2 was the first big superhero movie that i ever watched in theaters when i was 12 and i became obsessed with those movies because of it. i always loved andrew’s version of spider-man and his overall portrayal (visually) in his movies but always, too, felt so disoriented by all of the hate that his spider-man received until very recently. i also just rewatched the sequel a couple weeks ago and, with more mature eyes, completely recognized the dog trash writing and obnoxiously convoluted plot it suffered from. But i still deeply enjoyed watching it. I’m choosing to settle on the conclusion that this movie consists of some of the most polarizing aspects in cinema history. The performance that garfield gave was so unbelievably good that it couldn’t be ruined by the trash dialogue, his onscreen chemistry with emma stone was too real to not get hopelessly invested in, and the visual craftsmanship was just so grounded in reality that it made the most outlandish superhero feats fill me with awe rather than disbelief. everyone doing the heavy lifting in this franchise did their jobs perfectly while people that were giving directions went completely off the rails. after seeing some of the scenes that were cut from the final version, i honestly wouldn’t have wanted to see where this franchise was heading before being cut short, but i did want more of andrew’s spidey. his version, in the most specific sense, deserved better.
@@mairenoates8294 I totally agree. TASM 2 was the first big movie I remember being super excited for, and back then it totally paid off. I was obsessed with Electro at that age, and when I re-watched it recently, I wholeheartedly expected it to be a pile of garbage that I had been looking at through nostalgic lenses, but what surprised me was that it was somehow even better than I remembered. The way the cinematography, the visual effects, the art design, soundtrack and sound design is so meticulously crafted astounds me now just as much as it astounded me as a kid, and I now see more clearly than ever that that movie was the first spark which led me to a love of filmmaking which I now pursue as a career.
I slept midway through the movie
I'm a makeup effects artist for film and I have a hard time enjoying movies when I'm so focused on great or bad makeup. Saying "viewing it with these goggles we have on" gave me a genuine light bulb moment that I need to allow myself to take the goggles off sometimes, especially when I forget I'm wearing them. Thanks for that comment!
Sometimes its nice tho when a movie does something REALLY good and you just geek the hell out about it.
Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2 to me still has some of the best effects, almost every single scene using vfx/sfx just look so perfect, it never occurred to me as a child that anything was faked since it's a movie
I would say it's TASM2
There are some obviously CG scenes, it's still got to be top 5 superhero movies ever though. It's petty much my favourite.
i also thought it was good i was like hmmmmmm spider-man very cool epic movie
I remember someone visiting the housw like 4 years ago and we rewatched it and there was a scene where it was obviously a doll being thrown instead of a real person haha.
@@UnknownedYt very epic arachnoid moment
One of the worst give-aways to CG is that the motion is almost always way too smooth and fluid.
Like Peter 3’s Eyes
With how constantly "over-realism" gives away the CG parts, one saying (that very much may be a quote from some fictional character, can't quite recall it) comes to my mind:
One difference between the lies and the truth is that the latter doesn't have to be realistic
imagine a mocap web swing
I gotta say, to me TASM 2 is one of the spiderman movies that i liked less overall, but I enjoyed that last sequence because i thought it was a great idea to produce the sequence as a visual techno tune. I admit that it looks too over the top and witht the flaws mentioned here at around 11:00, but i did enjoy it.
Out of the three movies reviewed, Spider-Man 2 was probably my favorite
Only half way through the vid and feel like I’ve learned so much off just the specular highlights alone
Hey heavy spoilers
Hey spoiler man.
It’s our friendly neighborhood spoiler-man!
Man I want these puppets to return in nwh
Oh shit, this is like nick fury showing up at the end of iron man
another fun thing: there haven't been any elevated train tracks in Manhattan since 1973, but every New Yorker I know who has seen it completely forgot about this at least for the duration of the sequence; it's so engaging and it sells the sequence so well that you don't even care about the geography
I think it is more because the movie was going for the 60's esque vibe from the comics. Best example I can think of for that is the Daily Bugle, all the colors are simplified, the architecture is art deco, even the glass in the windows is hazy and unclear like an old building that was made in the 20's.
I can suspend my disbelief for that how engaging that scene is. Or you could just say the Marvel-verse New York isn't the same as ours
I was in NYC a couple years ago and rode an elevated subway so im not sure what youre talking about
I get that you're trying to say there isn't an elevated train in that specific area that spider man was in but I would just like to remind everyone that Harlem is in fact part of the island of Manhattan
@@baqcasanke Right? I was there in 2014 and remember riding them too.
6:59 I completely agree. I love it when characters have to improvise.
It still boggles my mind now Dock Ock was able to take as many punches as he did in this movie. (I know Spider-Man definitely holds back his punches but that is still lots of punches to the face, it’s impressive 😆)
With Christmas coming up you should do Jack Frost with Michael Keaton where he turns into a snowman
Oh please do!!
And the horror jack frost movie too same episode
Could do Rise of the Guardians too.
And more Iron Man 3 coverage since it's a Christmas movie.
Odd seeing you on a non halo video
"His gun is two sticks taped together and he's not in the room," were not the things I was expecting.
In defense of tasm 2, the contusion of Gwen and peters relationship is amazing, him struggling with captain Stacey’s death is awsome
Not the black panther sound at gui's entrance😂😂 12:39
One thing that goes unnoticed that I think makes Doc Ock one of the greatest comic villains put to screen is that Raimi made the man and the machine feel like two different characters. The tentacles have so much personality separate from Otto that you can almost hear the internal dialogue between the two in your head. Just expert filmmaking from an under appreciated master of his craft.
It does a lot to sell Otto's conflict. Without being able to "feel" that "dialogue" his internal struggle would just seem like angsty "woe is me" bullshit. Instead, due to Molina's masterful acting and the acting of the tentacles themselves, you genuinely understand some of what is going on inside him. He *genuinely* isn't wholly in control. Mix that with the glimpse we get of Otto's relationship with his wife, and how he feels responsible for her death, and suddenly everything he does is no longer villainy. It's entirely reasonable from his point of view and it's heart breaking. Molina's Doc Ock was never an evil man, he was a loving husband and idealist who had everything but his work taken from him. That was all he had left. So of course he let it consume him.
Nailed It ! Also did you know that in the official novelization of the film, they actually showcase the internal dialogue between Otto and his tentacles
Totally... because the robot arm AI would give even a single shit about him finishing his experiment.
@@RadicalSalman999 oh that's really cool
Yeah a nice addition from raimi
"His skin is spider-man colored"
This quote really says it all about why it looks good sometimes and bad sometimes. Does it look like a guy in a spider-man suit or a spider-man colored guy?
MCU Spidey is smoooove lol
I was high when I read this and my brain did not like it
That is why is so good. Spiderman looks like an own character himself.
Tobey maguires screeching and screaming and funny facial expressions are part of what made his spidey awesome. The train save constipation face was right in character with the 'im back!... my back!' scene. The former was serious and the latter played for laughs, but both were totally appropriate.
Andrew is such a great spiderman, hes always so funny and quipy, especially in the first movie with the car jacking scene, probably my favorite spiderman scene ever
TASM 2 has always been one of my biggest guilty pleasures. I know is messy, but for me, it feels like a Spider-Man should feel
Spider man in this movie is compleat, is the spider man we should have, Gwen perfect,
But out of this characters
The entire movie is bad
But the villains
The lines from them
The story of peters parents is just super meh
But Peter and Gwen
And spider man
And specially the cgi
just perfect... That's why I love this movie.
And I understand people hated... But this is my favorite spider man film tho be honest.
@@ailoxtime4479 the cgi in that movie is fucking AMAZING like I literally love how in the 2nd one they made the suit not skin tight so it didn't look like a skin tight man running around they made it look good like no shade to Sam raimi or Jon watts love those movies but I reckon this movie has one of the best cgi in spiderman movies
TASM 2 is my all time favourite Movie, The Costume looks so freaking awesome (like in the Ultimate Spider-man Comics, which are my favourite Comics) the action with electro, the shoots where you are as near on spider-man as possible, the love between Gwen and Peter, The sad scene at the end and the Music from Hans Zimmer makes it one of the greatest Movies for me. +it was in 3D in cinemas, and that was freaking awesome!
Im tobey generation but Tasm 2 is my favorite spidey movie
It's not something to feel guilty about. It's a good spiderman film. Story is kinda wack yes but the new ones are even worse narrative wise. It's justtthat most people arent spidey fans so they dint know shit. The new ones look like common drama so ppl like them more
I’m sure someone’s already commented or y’all already know, but Mysterio in the comics was a special effects artist for 60’s films which is why his outfit is so theatrical because of that background, so I thought it was genius that they just made a modern day version of it which I thought was hilarious.
Also I’m glad I wasn’t the only person who thought the SFX in AS2 was cool!
Yeah, I really liked how they updated Mysterio in that way. Really clever
Part reason why this scene feels cool is that Sam Raimi took inspiration from his earlier horror movies
You know what the Tom holland spider man’s are missing, more aerial fights. That’s what made the Tobey Maguire ones awesome.
Wrong
@@masonwright7700 no Mason, I’m WRIGHT!
At the end of Far From Home Spiderman is zipping around the bridge solving problems and obliterating drones left and right and that, to me, is the most Spiderman action sequence I've ever seen in a Spiderman movie. Also, it's an Aerial fight, so I'm not sure I agree with you on that one.
@@alanroberts6086 yeah, I just feel like there were more fights while swinging through the city and stuff.
Needs more wall crawling fights!
The other cool thing about Spiderman 2’s loose rippling suit is that the air rippling suit emphasizes the speed of motion, whereas the other suits are too stationary.
Food for thought about the train scene: Superman saving trains is iconic, and it's so easy for him to do it too. That's why Spiderman achieving the same effect but with so much more effort is so amazing. With this scene, movie-spiderman truly elevated himself from being a hero to being a superhero.
Amazing Spiderman 2 suit was AMAZING! They should bring some of that back
Something I just realized that I appreciate about you guys is that you never seem to interrupt each other. When one person is knowledgable/excited about something and wants to share, the other two let him speak. Makes it way more enjoyable than if you all were fighting for the spotlight.
3:00 another easy way to recognize this as CG is the fact that you wouldn't put a bunch of actors near such fast moving objects, the risk of injury is just too high.
In the behind-the-scenes of Spider-Man 2 the VFX supervisor talked about how they were always going for a 50/50 split between practical and CG effects. As for the train scene, it was one of the very first things that Raimi had in mind for the movie - and the very first they started prepping up for.
Not overusing CG, having a clear vision and enough time to prep to actually realize said vision are why Spider-Man 2's VFX hold up so well to this day - and why the train fight is still a top contender for best superhero action scene of all time.
Far more admirable than MCU's overuse of CGI which is a joke quite frankly.
Exactly, some of the best stuff comes from using practical effects first, then using CG to elevate them.
That opening sequence in Spider-Man 2 is one of my favourite scenes in all Spider-Man movies
Idc what y'all say. I absolutely love the TASM series. Personally dont understand the hate. I'm just glad my boy Andrew got a 2nd chance as well!
💯
TASM 2 makes me cry every time, the grieving scenes are too real. Between the director's choices on those and Andrew's acting immediately after the impact, it's a real tear-jerker
The fight scenes between doc and Spider-Man are fast paced but easy to follow
Steady shots, simple cuts that follow motion, action movies need to stop being so lazy and plan their shots better. It’s cool having all this crazy technical gun-fu sure but it comes at the expense of storytelling imo
@@fysean this!! sometimes with a lot of mcu and holland’s spider-man fights it’s quite hard to follow what’s actually happening because there’s so much going on but not enough cuts and varying shots to actually show us
TASM2 still has the best visual effects I’ve seen in any Spider-Man movie and most superhero movies in general. I remember watching a feature of the VFX breakdown and it was so impressive and to actually have an actor in a real tangible Spider-Man suit (probably the best suit in live action?) - Perfect
Couldn't be said any better than that bro
And the music/ sound effects are incredible
There's more magic to the effects in the Raimi Spider-Man 2 in my opinion.
FUCKING FACTS
@@anthonymartensen3164 cause it’s okd
I may be the only one to hold this opinion, but I don’t think that TASM 2 really wasn’t that bad, yes it has its issues, but I really don’t think it’s a horrible movie, people have thought it was bad ever since it released, but I think it’s a pretty good Spider-Man movie 🤷♂️
I really enjoyed The Amazing Spider-Man 2 and have never understood what's bad about the writing? A little cartoonish at times, but bad? Not in the slightest.
Well, it's certainly better than The Amazing Spider-Man 1 in my eyes.
Not that it is to say much, since I was never a fan of Andrew's movies, but eh.
People won't agree with me but honestly for me TASM movies are almost as good as sam raimis ones, tho TASM has totally nailed the look and the feel of spider-man, his movement, shooting and swinging webs. I don't like the tom holland movies as much because they feel way to childish, and I cant get over the more mechanical suit :(, I always imagined spider-man in a batman movie style, super dark, badass and scary, meanwhile the new movies are going for a romantic comedy type bs (haven't seen no way home yet, so maby Im in for a surprise)
@@PolajLive Boy oh boy do I have good news for you man.. the new one is exactly the sort of tone you seem to be looking for. Obviously there's some obligatory marvel humor but the vast majority of it is much more gritty
@@muffinman3052 dude xd now u got me hyped even more, currently stuck in quarantine so cant go watch it with the bois yet
Two things that clip of a guy eating a live octopus is going to haunt me, and secondly you do see the train buckling on camera it looks like there's a cable behind the buckled part that gets pulled.
As cheesy as Sam Raimi can be sometimes, he is a master storyteller when it comes to visual representation. That tentacle scene is one of the best scenes EVER put to film. I saw a recent breakdown on another channel that did a brilliant analysis of it and described it (correctly, I might add) as "Bloodless Horror". Brutally violent, shocking, and terrifying without ever going over the top and maintaining a "PG" rating.
The level of storytelling in that short scene is some of the best, clearest, concise, and grounded in all of filmdom. You never, for one second, lose track of where any of the characters or action in the scene are in the room. There are so many little 'setups' and 'payoffs' throughout, and in a very real sense, every frame is a painting. Every aspect, from the lighting, angles, audio and sound design, to the visual FX are nearly perfect, especially considering that the vast majority of what you see is captured on set, in-camera.
I couldn't help grinning maniacally like some cinematic villain sitting in front of a screen in his volcanic lair as I watch, wholeheartedly agreeing that it is one of my all-time favorite scenes in any movie, ever.
Nerdwriter1, am I right?
@@MABlacksmith I believe so, yes. I hadn't heard of the channel before seeing that video, so I'm not familiar, but that sounds right. I'd have to go back and look for it to be sure. It was, like... a month or two ago. It popped up in my suggestions (which I usually ignore) and I clicked. All I know for sure is, he was spot-on.
Let just hope he didn't resign from Doctor Strange (2&3) because of 'creative difference' between him and Feige
I think the cheesiness is part of the charm of hismovies i think
@@naiknaik8812 yes, the charm is what made me love the trilogy so much, I love how loveable doc ock and Green goblin are but they are also menacing and a thread to Peter
I personally think TASM 1 (and 2) have the best ever Spider-Man CGI yet
They really do. By a long shot tbh.
Oh absolutely. It’s not even close
Cap
They really do. I wonder wtf happened with MCU/Sony Spidey . I rarely believe i am looking at Tom Holland or even a double in a suit.
@@alwaysxnever I'm pretty sure alot of the stunts are done by Tom Holland
At least as much as he can
The more dangerous one's are double
"The power of the sun in the palm of my hand" made me tear up when I saw No Way Home
The power of the sun....
The water in Far From Home always looked weirdly… dry to me. Like, it moves like water, but the way it’s lit makes it look like powder, especially along the edges where it’s just tiny droplets.
Woah, Niko Made a great point at 6:11 where an octopus still performs the last action it was given, which actually makes a ton of sense why the tentacles were so hyperfocused on rebuilding Ock's machine again, since that was his last thought while he had control over them.
Er, what? The tentacles have literally nothing to do with a biological octopus.
Mind = Blown!
The fact that TASM 2 pulled off photorealistic shots back in 2014 WITH A 4K DI still blows my mind.
Just wish the movie could’ve lived up to the VFX.
Same.I also wish the MCU suit could look as detailed and realistic.
@@alwaysxnever It really bugs me how both Disney and SONY have all these resources but squander them through laziness and poor direction.
Great break down as always. I actually worked at Steve Johnsons shop on the Doc Ock tentacles and other gag's for that show. I'm glad everyone still likes what we did and that character and it still holds up today.
While Andrew's suit looked very good due to the contours and wrinkles, I feel the reason Tobey's suit really still worked despite being skintight is due to the fact that there was just so much sheer texture in the suit. From the silvery lines to the material of choice. (Looks really really weird as compared to the other Spidey suits, but within the movie, it looks great)
As compared to Tom's Spidey suit, who just feels out of this world and as ethereal as Electro. (Tom as an actor, in my opinion really nails the hero/nerd balance, suit still too CGI and fake looking tho)
Tobey suit didnt even work when the movie came out, for real look at reviews from 2001. The suit looks terrible. The only reason that the suit looks even slightly okay is because there is a real suit that you can think about instead of the weird gumby suit. Your brain basically excuses the shit cg suit and think about the practical suit
@@sebastianlarsson6053 of course people in 2001 thought the suit looked terrible.. they never saw it until 2002
I wish 16 people would follow me around and puppeteer giant tentacles for me.. almost more than I wish I just regularly had the tentacles 😂
do you mean friends?
Hot damn, I know that guy. You’re famous.
What would bjj do with the tentacles? 😝
Can we establish that Tobey’s Spidey films have the best VFX in the early to mid 2000s ever and Andrew’s Spidey sequel having the best opening scene ever. The VFX for Tom’s Spidey films do tend to look real and fake at the same time. The Nick Fury scene in Far From Home is the most hilariously shot sequence, just green screen a man, then comp him into a scene, Just the sheer meta humour with Mysterio, The dream sequence, The water effects, The MCU is really showing us some great VFX and if not sometimes lazy writing that Wren states about Spider-Man 2 2 (TASM2). Can’t wait to see them react to VFX when No Way Home comes out.
Lord of the Rings might have it beat but it's still close
Attack of the Clones looks amazing too if you rewatch it on Blu-Ray on a nicely calibrated screen.
@@jetri4111 I think Dead Man's Chest is phenomenal from a VFX perspective, but the first one looks pretty rough by today's standards
@@jetri4111 I agree. That goblin glider looks real rubbery in some scenes
no way home vfx arent even done yet
Amazing spiderman 2 had pretty great visuals like those when electro first appears in public...
For Spider-Man 2 the doc oct scene in the hospital has a lot of wiring hanging off the ceiling, this is probably done in order to hide strings attacked to tentacles that they use to move them
The part in the 8 minute mark where they discuss the action feeling disparate from the rest of the film is why I think directors that are action guys first are the best. Chad Stahelski and David Leitch of John Wick/Deadpool/Atomic Blonde, Mad Max director George Miller, James Gunn, their action scenes _always_ feels artistically tied to the rest of the film. Taika Waititi too. I'm not sure if he's completely involved with the action choreo, but some of the most iconic scenes in Thor Ragnarok (the gopro shot of Mjolnir flying and smacking fire demons, the God of Thunder scene on the bridge) were allegedly part of his pitch reel to Marvel Studios, so it was his idea at least.
I hope that for the rest of the new MCU directors, they take a stronger involvement in the action even if the studio says "our previz/stunt guys have this, just worry about the talk-y bits."
Taika Waititi is a god among men.
There's definitely issues with directors who aren't experienced with action trying to do action scenes. Chloé Zhao did Eternals with basically no film experience that wasn't dramatic films with huge sweeping environment scenes.
I think shang chi is a great example of this. They brought in a majority of jackie's team for choreography and filming the action scenes, and since a decent amount of people in the stunt viz were directors themselves, they were constantly working with the pre viz team and the director while filming action scenes, and it shows, shang chi had one of the best fight choreography up there with winter soldier. Having an experienced stunt/action team is a huge advantage.
@@parry111 One of their previous videos had them bring on the Iron Fist coordinator as a guest and he explained how they had a whole stunt crew choreographing every fight scene and the directors and cinematographers would just ruin everything they did on the day of shooting.
@@chitoryu12 I was wondering why Chloe was chosen to direct their epoch-spanning drama about space gods and the ancient eldritch beings that made them, when her entire imdb page seems to be about indie cowboy movies. I wonder which shots in the film are actually hers, and which are the previz team, because the only time I was really engaged in Eternals was when Gemma Chan's character would go into space and talk to their god. Oh and without wishing to spoil, Omni Man is still the best subversion of The Superman.
I’d be interested to see Corridor break down the Great Gatsby. Practically every scene in that movie has CGI in it in some way, shape, or form.
That movies kinda not very good lol
@@plywoodruntz hahahaha true, but the cgi is
@@adamfabry4625 lol it must be, I never would've guessed
@@plywoodruntz I've seen the movie once and I thought it was pretty good. Don't really know what would make it such a bad movie.
@@gagetaylor192 it grossly misunderstands the point of the story. Making Nick into this completely nice person betrays the point of the narrative. He's sort of judgemental and a bit of a dick with women in the book. I normally don't mind it when adaptations make changes but in this case it really messes with the idea that nobody is blameless. It's really important to what Fitzgerald wrote.
10:47 I agree but it's kind of ironic that most of the spiderman films fans hates the look of The Amazing Spiderman costume
13:13, I also thought, how come the dress looks like a motion capture model... Eh, it turns out my guess was right...
Pertaining to the scene with Jackson and Holland, I feel like Marvel does this a lot. Regardless, if you can pull it off with CGI, it doesn’t mean it’s right. Actors feed off each other when they’re on set together. Lots of actors find this type of practice suffocating. It’s a simple enough scene to pull off by shooting them separately but I hate how comfortable studios are doing this.
I mean according to corridor crew it's because of their scheduling but still...
I mean they wouldn't deliberately do it through CGI as it would cost them a lot more. It maybe because they don't really have a choice because of the scheduling of every star in the film. And imo, if it isn't noticable, it's a really good job.
Oh but did you notice that he wasn't there when you watched it?
I bet not, so what is the problem?
At this point it's the actors choice. If it is important to them to be on stage, then they should be flexible with their schedule.
I agree. I think the actors should be together as much as possible. They can feed off of each other's energy that way.
Raimi is just a great director. I would even say old school director with a distinct style. A true auteur. You always can tell, when Raimi directed a movie. I am really curious, how Dr. Strange will turn out. How much of Raimi will shine through.
Your use of commas really threw me off
TASM 2 gets a lot of unnecessary hate. The writing is flawed but everything else especially the performance, the score, the cinematography, action sequences, and the visual effects (is the best out of the 8 films) are incredible.
Spider-Man 2 > TASM 2 > Far From Home
Thank you for the timer during the ad read, I knew exactly how many times to tap the right side of my screen
I love both “Spider-Man 2” AND “The Amazing Spider-Man 2”. So, sue me.
I completely agree with you!
Yeah, I'm blown away that Wren wasn't joking about not liking Spider-Man 2 (2004). Everyone I personally know thought it was even better than the original (I like both pretty equally.)
@@dmtustan ew
Ew
"He's not alone"
Web swinging from beginning of Amazing spider-man2 is incredible. never gets old.
You guys need to do an "everybody reacts" to the street brawl in episode 1 of Arcane. I feel like it's vfx+animation+stunt/fight scene all in 1
11:07 A God named sparkles?
Spiderman 2 train scene is probably one of the greatest action scene in any superhero movie… Thanks Sam Raimi👌
Sam is a visionary. His take on biologically convert him to have spider like powers instead of a device to shoot webs which is something true to comic books, but hey creative liberties. It was such a genius move. Spiderman 1 was a great origin story
@@thecompanioncube4211 wholly agreed.
I love that they played the Black Panther music when Gui showed up. That was so perfect!
Doc Oc was honestly my favorite from the Tobey trilogy. I loved the character and was mesmerized by how the arms moved.
Bro the amazing spiderman 1 and 2 are amazing I my opinion Andrew is the best spiderman no doubt
Spidey films only fall over when there's a human face on a CG character.
What I love about Mysterio is that the mocap suit integrates the comic book suits iconography. I really liked Mysterio, and despite being apparently a one and done character, I like how he's basically the reason why the real multiverse explodes, which is super ironic given the illusions he chooses in this movie. His impact on the MCU is legitimately massive and a neat reverse flip of Iron Man who started the last phase of movies. It's such a nice twist of irony, where a 'fraud' of a villain actually presents the biggest existential threat to the hero and has now done infinitely more damage to the universe than Thanos ever could. Mysterio is arguably the biggest pain in the ass Spidey has ever faced. I just really liked everything about this take on Mysterio.
That's such a good point, I never thought of it like that, but he talks about a fake multiverse and then causes the real one, that's fantastic!
He didn't cause the multiverse to explode though. That's Loki and Kang.
@@JADNCK i mean do we know what actually caused the multiverse to split for sure? There's a moment where Kang stops being able to see and control the time stream, and I suspect it could be Dr Strange in NWH who causes that to happen
@@JADNCK
He exposed Peter Parker who then ripped open the dimensional fabric by botching a spell of Doctor Strange. If Mysterio hadn't done anything then the multiverse of madness wouldn't have happened.
Loki simply turned the multiverse back on. Peter Parker and Strange blew the reactor.
Its kind of like a WW1 causing WW2 thing. If WW1 never happened the events that caused WW2 wouldn't have existed. Yes, there are agents in the story more directly responsible, but in the MCU Spideys fight with Mysterio is like his World War 1 event.
@@MrMisanthrope84 Peter didn’t botch the spell, that’s what Strange thinks but it’s always been Loki and Kang.
Dude holy crap, Sam raimi's Spider-Man 2 is my favorite movie of all time. That guy really really understood Spider-Man. But even I didn't know about how much work went into creating doc ock's character and the way the arms "think". That being based on the actual physiology of an octopus? That has got to be some of the coolest fucking shit I've ever heard. Thank you Niko for teaching me something new.
Edit: in defense of Marc Webb's Amazing Spider-Man 2, that film is a genuine pleasure to watch. The way certain scenes were shot like in particular the opening sequence or the first "fight" with Electro were so damn cool and fun to watch that regardless of the bad writing and all that it looks, kind of *amazing*.
Honestly, you're one of the few people that I've seen who appreciates both Raimi films and The Amazing films. The TASM movies are special to me because of Andrew's portrayal and the slo-mo scenes that showed his Spidey senses were amazing to witness but they have shitty writing no doubt whereas Spider-Man 2 will be one of the best superhero movies of all time. It really understood the character a lot better.
@@WilliamButtlicker oh yeah I feel that my dude, it's extremely rare to find somebody like that. So it's a pleasure to speak with you, and I completely agree, fundamentally Sam Raimi really cared about the character Spider-Man and was able to pull off a damn good movie as well. Spider-Man 2 in my opinion is essentially perfect as far as movies go. Like how much that movie resonated with me as a kid I probably couldn't realistically describe. Aside from saying that it just makes you want to be a better person and Spider-Man is very inspiring.
And I actually have heard some information talking about how Mark Webb wanted to make the movies pretty different from how they turned out. Some corporate BS got in the way though. That doesn't change the fact that those movies are really damn fun to watch. That scene where he was saving the people on the stairs in Times Square blew my fucking mind. The Slow Mo in that moment was so well done and so cool.
And this is probably unpopular but I really don't care at all about the Disney Marvel franchise version of Spider-Man. Because just like all of the other characters in their Universe there are no consequences. Nothing bad actually happens to the characters, at least not anything that would have a lasting impact. And we know to expect that because it's Disney and they only care about making a franchise. Like they obviously don't care to understand Spider-Man as a character. And it sucks, like I wish that they would care to make more films that feel like they have an actual impact. That's just me though, does that make sense?
@@jordanfelt5978 Exactly, I mean that'd have been the first time we'd have seen the Sinister Six in live action if Webb had got his third film. I still think that just like Ben Affleck's Batman, Andrew deserved more time with Spider-Man. He had genuine love for the character and he looked more comfortable to me than both Tobey and Tom. I hope we see him in No Way Home.
And about the MCU version, I know where you're coming from because it's already a pretty big universe with loads of character and sometimes it does feel that the character of Spider-Man isn't getting the charm that it deserves in the MCU. Homecoming was a good film ngl but Far From Home kinda irked me too. And I'm a huge fan of the MCU so that is saying something. But atleast we're getting to see three different versions of Spider-Man in live action so that's a win. And I hope No Way Home serves that question of the impact that has been missing from this version. Whatever the case, It's a good time to be a Spidey fan lol.
@@WilliamButtlicker oh yeah I agree with what you said about Marc Webb Spider-Man, I actually really liked Andrew Garfield as Spiderman. He was goofy as hell and it was enjoyable to watch and of course the romance in those films was great.
As far as the MCU goes, I'm excited for the upcoming no way home for the same reasons you are basically. I just don't know if I trust Disney to do it right. Outside of that pretty much all their films feel like the same thing now, over and over again with different characters in my opinion. The movies literally all feel the same and they're not interesting anymore, we already know to expect that there are no real consequences for their characters. Honestly, does it not feel way too 'samey'?
@@WilliamButtlicker 1 doesn’t have bad writing at all imo
That operating room scene is great in and of itself, but there's an extra bit of oomph to it because of just how SAM RAIMI it is. It feels very Evil Dead.
With hindsight I think Toby's Spiderman suit having no wrinkles I think that was on purpose so they CG would be easier to blend together when they switched from real footage to CG
9:50 love the kind of quick stop it makes, you can feel the physics of him going high speed then sudden little stop when he gets to that breaking point in the pendulum motion.
All Im hoping for is the VFX teams for No Way Home will keep true enough to the past work done from each of Spideys past film villians before, ESPECIALLY Electro cause the amount of effort and detail that was put by SonyImageWorks was so OUTSTANDING that it deserved Oscar level recognition. Thank you Corridor Crew for this breakdown
well it's still image works working on no way home (and also far from home)
Electro was no longer that blue smurf you see
They went with the more comic like kind
Where he has his human skin with yellow electricity
@@lag00n54 And I'm happy their respecting the comic accuracy to that (cause Jamie lookin better like that), but I'm hoping it'll be as we saw in the trailer with hopefully some similar effects that his time in TAS2 had with the lightning flow from how he moves and his strikes but with of course the yellow lightning touch
@@danieleanzaldi Yeah I know but just hoping they'll keep similar to the work they've done past from TAS2 Electro but just his visual electric effects from ways of his movements and attacks
Yep definitely agree.
Another great video! I had an idea for a future episode: Old commercials! The Geico gecko, or any cgi based advertisement. Remember the old 90’s gushers ads where the kids’ heads would turn into fruit, or something weird like that? I’d love to go down that nostalgia lane with you guys. Anyway, keep up the awesome work
Amazing Spiderman movies and the best cgi , change my mind😫❤️
I love when Doc Oc is holding Aunt May and she's just hovering there, holding her purse and umbrella like being pinched on her back by as robotic claw and holding her out in the air is no bother for a 70 year old woman.
I'd love if you covered a bit of the Amazing Spider-Man 1 cause a lot of the behind the scenes is so interesting and cool, plus it's like the only spiderman to do practical web swinging; it always astounds me that they had a whole backlot for most of New York in the movie.
They already did in another video just look up the amazing Spider-Man.
Nope. They did practical swinging for the MCU version too.
@@skepticalbadger interestingly, both Holland and Garfield were gymnasts when they were young
You guys did an all Hulk react and this one's an all Spiderman react. Would love to watch you guys react to Batman visuals, maybe divided into two parts so you can cover more scenes and all the movies starting from the first one.
P. S. Your videos are so entertaining and informative. Love this channel.
Wren that amazing Spider-Man 2 take just hurts me
TASM2 is such a shame because nearly everything about the movie is flawless aside from the writing. The cinematography is incredible, the actors are well cast and the score is great. But the story and writing is atrocious. Unfortunately, Garfield gets a lot of flak for his portrayal of the character despite the fact that the issues with it are not his fault.
TASM2 fall prey on chopping of scenes by Sony...there's of footage of peter parker interaction with Mary jane, his father, uncle ben's flashback... but in the final product.. the whole MJ character was put out of the film...
i genuinely feel TASM2 got the same treatment like JL theatrical release.
Yeah and that's the thing people at some point forget all this kind of details just because of the script. Cause just talking from the visuals in this saga or specific in TASM 2 as they said they nailed the look with the suit, along side with the figth scenes and the fractions where you can have the perspective of Andrew swinging in New York, the lapses where time slows down so you can see what it's happening around him. But then the script comes and it's the thing sadly overshadows everything amazing about this movie, but in at somepoints the script make sense or is good, cause being honest there scenes in which you get to empathize with the character or well, and get the oportunity to see Spiderman as a normal person
where the phrase "anyone can wear the mask" makes a lot of sense, and the thing with electro, it is an absurd drama, because that is the way which they present it in the comics for a while, as in the animated series that they released in 2012 and it is never bad to be able to see a different appearance of the characters, being something they've done lately with Tom's spider-man and his 20,000 suits hahaha
They also removed his dad showing up at the end where he faked his death.
I mean....there was that grasping Web hand that I think isn't the writings fault.
Fr man. Andrew gave a great performance despite the material not being that good.
I think the reason a CG Spider-Man looks so photo-realistic is because in every scene where his mask is off, the actor is almost always standing on some sort of surface. But in almost all of the scenes where Spider-Man is swinging, the mask is on is face. Because the way people can tell it's CG is by looking the face. You can't make a face look super photo-real because a face is always moving. But the reason Spider-Man is the best in CG is because you can't see his face, and it's all up to the lighting.
You see photography, it’s about lighting. Composition. Drama
In the spirit of the invisible CG of the Samuel L. Jackson dialog scene I'd recommend Casino Royale, you guys already did a stunts react for it but the shower scene with Bond and Vesper has some of the most subtle complicated CG work I've ever seen.
You take it back. Amazing Spider-Man 2 is incredible and you know it
I love how they incorporated the practical arms into Spider-Man 2. I bet you some of those shots will outperform some of the shots in No Way Home.
Please do an Animators react to Arcane. Its so beatiful I need someone to tell me how they did it so I can appreciate it more.
Yesss, I would love that! ^-^
I love that show yea they should do that
I second this!!! I would adore seeing that
+1 to this, it would be really nice ;p
I wanted to comment exactly this, but i was like, someone probably has already asked this, and yes, here it is
This was *great* - I'd love to see an animators react to Arcane; could be a fun way to look at the new Spider-Verse trailer by comparison.
That's a great visual effects where Spider-Man and Electro fighting through the air flying by side by side
15:34, I want Mysterio's computer....
It runs THIS in real time!
Dysktra, Johnson and his team produced so many best visuals for Spider-Man 2, it was easily the most well produced in terms of visual effects of the Spider-Man films made to date IMO.
learning about this stuff is incredible.