I’m glad Arceus was (properly) placed first and not Lugia. Arceus VStar has to be one of the best, most self-contained cards they have ever printed. It’s an engine and consistency in itself. Palkia has more raw power but really needs Inteleon to shine. Lugia is the stronger complete deck atm, but is only enabled by Archeops. Arceus is the enabler and allows so many things around it to shine just by itself.
Arceus is the best outside of context and in general situations. In terms of card pool usage, Lugia could come 2nd, specially in Expanded amd as you add cards he can fetch. 3rd comes Palkia because he gains the least of the 3 from a bigger pool, and he is a more linear strategy.
Quite apt that all 4 of Arceus, Giratina, Dialga and Palkia had a showing in this list, in keeping with their ability and power within the Pokémon Universe
Wow, I am really surprised to see Alolan Vulpix but not Regidrago VSTAR?? It has been absolutely nuts in expanded so far, winning several online tournaments, and while it has not seen serious play in Standart yet (neither has Alolan Vulpix), it has a lot of potential post rotation and can get even better in the future.
This seems to be a list focusing on Standard; Expanded is such a messy format that’s kinda left to die by TPCI as of late, and yeah Drago is broken there, but mainly because of cards NOT in standard (Battle Compressor, ADP, Dragon MegaZard/MegaRay, Noivern GX, etc) as well as not factoring in Drago’s slowness and clunkiness in standard, which does not bode well for it in a format with the hyper acceleration of Lugia, prize disadvantages against LostBox, inability to OHKO Mew, etc. It’s a card that’s cool in theory but can’t thrive in the format it was designed for.
@@clairebit I agree, what I don't get is why is Alolan Vulpix in the list, it hasn't seen any serious competitive play yet. Even with all the available engines for water types it still hasn't found its niche in Standart. And Drago has better potential post rotation with Arceus, it has already won an online tournament.
I think you misread Vulpix's attack. Pretty sure swapping out and back into the active doesn't affect it not taking damage from pokemon with abilities as the way it's worded makes it an effect on vulpix, not the opposing pokemon. Someone else wanna chime in on this? I could be wrong here but I don't think I am.
Want to know a fun other card that released alongside Giratina Vstar in lost origin? Banette, which at any time, you can use it’s ability to put a supporter card from your discard into your hand and put banette into the lost zone (with the shuppet it evolved from), allowing you to put up to 5 cards into the lost zone per turn (comfey + colress + banette) for free, especially if you run multiple banettes like I do as well as a card that can search evolution pokemon (Banette has 100 hp so just shy of level ball searching) you can almost fill your lost zone in one turn, and after attacking with giratina v star once, you can immediately use star requiem afterward and pull stupidly fast wins.
Forgot some info, was rushing this on mobile: Banettes ability can search colress back from your discard after you use it, so even one banette can two-turn fill your lost zone if you attack with giratina. While you can’t level ball search it, I forgot to mention I run cards like Arezu to search out a bunch of banettes or giratina vstar. You can also use other normal ball cards, evo incense, card searches, etc. to easily get banette into play. Also, the ability isn’t limited to being benched either, so you can use the ability while it is in the active spot to get a free switch into a card like Giratina or comfey
I'm not super well-versed but I'm pretty sure a Stage 2 Fossil is normally difficult to get out quickly. Cheating two Stage 2s out at once that are balanced around not being easy to get out is a powerful effect, but it's true that Lugia's ability is only as good as its best target.
It is VERY difficult to get an Archeops into the board. Fossils are huge liabilities, and Stage 2s are naturally hard to work with. Being able to cheat 2 Archeops into the board the way Lugia VStar does is nigh impossible, which in turn males Lugia VStar very powerful.
Thing is, getting out two Archeops at the same time without Lugia VStar is next to impossible. Sure, you COULD build a deck around getting both Archeops out quickly, but it will likely end up either lacking in consistency or lacking in handling big threats early on. Take Hisiuan Goodra VStar decks for example. If you can't stop Rolling Iron from being used, it will KO your Archen before they evolve or wear down the target of your Acheops' Ability before it can make progress. But if you're focusing on getting both Archeops out roughly at the same time and have other attackers, you're not going to have much space for disruption and to have a consistent way to get it out. Lugia VStar allows you to just put two Archeops in your deck to use as discard fodder for cards like Ultra Ball so that Lugia can instantly bring them back and start powering up your Mons faster than your opponent to apply a lot of pressure.
Getting two out WAS next to impossible, meaning Lugia's VStar move makes Archeops the most powerful card in the game. That ability was balanced around being virtually unusable: make it usable and that balance is immediately removed. Yes it's designed explicitly for that: it's still gamebreaking.
8:24 ??? its already gone Silver tempest killed Palk Kyrem/intel. less so the intel but its still nowhere near what it was before lugi and nowhere near beating lugia
Why did Shaymin not make it? Yeah, it's Fraley, and there are better VSTAR abilities, but doing 200 for 2 energy when your opponent has only taken 2 prize cards makes it a powerful threat capable of pulling OKOs on VMAXs both with and without choice belt? It deserves if not the 10th placement, atleast an honorable mention
It wasn't on the list because it hasn't really seen any success yet, while every other V Star that was shown has been successful at some level. It's also worth mentioning that Leafeon V Star is arguably a better grass V Star because it gives you a free gust once a game and benefits from the energy acceleration provided by it's pre-evolution (granted we now have better for grass in the form of Forretress ex)
I would put both lugia and giratina in 3rd place. (I could be biased because I play giratina) the engines around the two decks are extremely powerful. I would put regidrago as 4th place. Video idea: Vunion or legend (the Pokémon that require two or more cards to create one powerful card)
I havbent really played pokemon since 2010 i recnetly got out my old cards out, I still have like 743289674923847 pokemon cards, to play with a girlfriend but I only play yugioh now!! I only know EX an d X pokemon all this new stuff seems uneccesarry.
I’m glad Arceus was (properly) placed first and not Lugia. Arceus VStar has to be one of the best, most self-contained cards they have ever printed. It’s an engine and consistency in itself. Palkia has more raw power but really needs Inteleon to shine. Lugia is the stronger complete deck atm, but is only enabled by Archeops. Arceus is the enabler and allows so many things around it to shine just by itself.
Lugia gets neutered hard in April (as far as we know now) while Arceus still has all the important tools.
Arceus is the best outside of context and in general situations. In terms of card pool usage, Lugia could come 2nd, specially in Expanded amd as you add cards he can fetch. 3rd comes Palkia because he gains the least of the 3 from a bigger pool, and he is a more linear strategy.
@@Folfire same with arceus even if less extreme
I guess he is a deck creator 🤓
Quite apt that all 4 of Arceus, Giratina, Dialga and Palkia had a showing in this list, in keeping with their ability and power within the Pokémon Universe
My boy really hit us with Grapejaw Bog
YEAH LOL
Wow, I am really surprised to see Alolan Vulpix but not Regidrago VSTAR?? It has been absolutely nuts in expanded so far, winning several online tournaments, and while it has not seen serious play in Standart yet (neither has Alolan Vulpix), it has a lot of potential post rotation and can get even better in the future.
This seems to be a list focusing on Standard; Expanded is such a messy format that’s kinda left to die by TPCI as of late, and yeah Drago is broken there, but mainly because of cards NOT in standard (Battle Compressor, ADP, Dragon MegaZard/MegaRay, Noivern GX, etc) as well as not factoring in Drago’s slowness and clunkiness in standard, which does not bode well for it in a format with the hyper acceleration of Lugia, prize disadvantages against LostBox, inability to OHKO Mew, etc. It’s a card that’s cool in theory but can’t thrive in the format it was designed for.
@@clairebit I agree, what I don't get is why is Alolan Vulpix in the list, it hasn't seen any serious competitive play yet. Even with all the available engines for water types it still hasn't found its niche in Standart. And Drago has better potential post rotation with Arceus, it has already won an online tournament.
Funny how Regidrago didn't make this list. However, I guess this was a year ago, so, a lot has clearly changed haha
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It's nice to see Arceus vstar at number one because unlike lugia it can actually do something without it's ability
Hisuan Goodra VSTAR is also really good with a Lost Zone variant, it also took a regionals but everyone seems to have memory holed it
The list that won slc wasn't a lost zone varient though. It was goodra arceus.
@@boxkid759 I swear there was a lost zone version that won a regionals!
Lugia really said "Mr.Beast!"
I think you misread Vulpix's attack. Pretty sure swapping out and back into the active doesn't affect it not taking damage from pokemon with abilities as the way it's worded makes it an effect on vulpix, not the opposing pokemon.
Someone else wanna chime in on this? I could be wrong here but I don't think I am.
Nope, your right
Want to know a fun other card that released alongside Giratina Vstar in lost origin? Banette, which at any time, you can use it’s ability to put a supporter card from your discard into your hand and put banette into the lost zone (with the shuppet it evolved from), allowing you to put up to 5 cards into the lost zone per turn (comfey + colress + banette) for free, especially if you run multiple banettes like I do as well as a card that can search evolution pokemon (Banette has 100 hp so just shy of level ball searching) you can almost fill your lost zone in one turn, and after attacking with giratina v star once, you can immediately use star requiem afterward and pull stupidly fast wins.
Forgot some info, was rushing this on mobile:
Banettes ability can search colress back from your discard after you use it, so even one banette can two-turn fill your lost zone if you attack with giratina.
While you can’t level ball search it, I forgot to mention I run cards like Arezu to search out a bunch of banettes or giratina vstar. You can also use other normal ball cards, evo incense, card searches, etc. to easily get banette into play.
Also, the ability isn’t limited to being benched either, so you can use the ability while it is in the active spot to get a free switch into a card like Giratina or comfey
Archeops ability is more powerful than Lugia's once per game Vstar ability. That is a stupid mechanic if you ask me.
I'm not super well-versed but I'm pretty sure a Stage 2 Fossil is normally difficult to get out quickly. Cheating two Stage 2s out at once that are balanced around not being easy to get out is a powerful effect, but it's true that Lugia's ability is only as good as its best target.
It is VERY difficult to get an Archeops into the board. Fossils are huge liabilities, and Stage 2s are naturally hard to work with. Being able to cheat 2 Archeops into the board the way Lugia VStar does is nigh impossible, which in turn males Lugia VStar very powerful.
Thing is, getting out two Archeops at the same time without Lugia VStar is next to impossible. Sure, you COULD build a deck around getting both Archeops out quickly, but it will likely end up either lacking in consistency or lacking in handling big threats early on. Take Hisiuan Goodra VStar decks for example. If you can't stop Rolling Iron from being used, it will KO your Archen before they evolve or wear down the target of your Acheops' Ability before it can make progress. But if you're focusing on getting both Archeops out roughly at the same time and have other attackers, you're not going to have much space for disruption and to have a consistent way to get it out. Lugia VStar allows you to just put two Archeops in your deck to use as discard fodder for cards like Ultra Ball so that Lugia can instantly bring them back and start powering up your Mons faster than your opponent to apply a lot of pressure.
Getting two out WAS next to impossible, meaning Lugia's VStar move makes Archeops the most powerful card in the game. That ability was balanced around being virtually unusable: make it usable and that balance is immediately removed. Yes it's designed explicitly for that: it's still gamebreaking.
8:24 ??? its already gone Silver tempest killed Palk Kyrem/intel. less so the intel but its still nowhere near what it was before lugi and nowhere near beating lugia
What about Top 10 Fairy type cards?
The math symbols during alolan vulpix were weirdly out of place and distracting :(
Dialga V Star is Arcana Force the World, but good
Alolan Vulpix is BEST VStar, look at it, it wins just for cute
Why did Shaymin not make it? Yeah, it's Fraley, and there are better VSTAR abilities, but doing 200 for 2 energy when your opponent has only taken 2 prize cards makes it a powerful threat capable of pulling OKOs on VMAXs both with and without choice belt? It deserves if not the 10th placement, atleast an honorable mention
It wasn't on the list because it hasn't really seen any success yet, while every other V Star that was shown has been successful at some level. It's also worth mentioning that Leafeon V Star is arguably a better grass V Star because it gives you a free gust once a game and benefits from the energy acceleration provided by it's pre-evolution (granted we now have better for grass in the form of Forretress ex)
1 year later id ammend the top 4 to
4 palkia
3 lugia
2 giratina
1 arceus
I would put both lugia and giratina in 3rd place. (I could be biased because I play giratina) the engines around the two decks are extremely powerful. I would put regidrago as 4th place.
Video idea: Vunion or legend (the Pokémon that require two or more cards to create one powerful card)
Removing fairies is v rude why they do that
Arceus is a Yugioh card cus that effect 🤣
I havbent really played pokemon since 2010 i recnetly got out my old cards out, I still have like 743289674923847 pokemon cards, to play with a girlfriend but I only play yugioh now!! I only know EX an d X pokemon all this new stuff seems uneccesarry.