The 7 Writing Betrayals of Arcane Season 2

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  • @laurennightingale4752
    @laurennightingale4752 วันที่ผ่านมา +319

    S2 fans are like "you just didn't GET it, obviously that character changing moment happened between scenes, and if you can't figure that out you obviously weren't paying attention!"
    Like sorry I don't want to imagine a better story happening offscreen. I'd rather watch it.

    • @Tze52
      @Tze52 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      I mean. We did. When Vi fell in love with Caitlyn and when caitlyn had a similar traumatic experience losing her mother to Jinx which is what caused her to spiral in revenge...that's the justification for why Vi was ultimately convinced to help Caitlyn and join the enforcers alongside Maddie's proclaiming Caitlyn's praise OF Vi. Or how Caitlyn is no longer trying to help Zaun initially because of Jinx's atrack, but also the fact that they attacked a mourning memorial of those who died.

    • @ryankim1388
      @ryankim1388 วันที่ผ่านมา +40

      ⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@Tze52it still doesn’t make sense. Vi had strong reasons to dislike the enforcers, so just because jinx hurt Caitlyn doesn’t really justify Vi’s decisions from a logical perspective. Even if vi would be willing to become an enforcer, one would think she would show more care for the undercity, rather than just following Caitlyn’s lead and gassing everything. Not sure why the words of some random enforcer would make vi warm up to the idea of becoming one either. It also doesn’t make sense that Caitlyn would be through with trying to help Zaun just because of jinx. If anything, it would only make Caitlyn angry at jinx. It doesn’t make sense for her to go from sympathetic to completely uncaring. Vi and Caitlyn’s dynamic didn’t make much sense. Caitlyn became too unsympathetic for seemingly no reason, and vi became an enforcer and fixed her relationship with jinx really without much thought. Vi gets mad at Caitlyn for imprisoning jinx, when literally a few episodes before she was trying to kill her. Even if vi didn’t hate jinx anymore, she would still understand that jinx is a criminal who is responsible for killing people, including Caitlyn’s mom.

    • @iainheffel7855
      @iainheffel7855 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@ryankim1388 Dude it tells in the show why Vi become enforcer Caitlyn line “if one of us goes after Jinx they will end up in a body bag” Vi does want to become an enforcer but wants to protect Caitlyn so Maddie words has no meaning Caitlyn’s did. Vi also doesn’t object to the gassing because she is justifying it herself talking about how the it used to clear the streets so no one got hurt except their targets like what. Also Caitlyn was not willing for Jinx it was for Vi and herself because she realized the monster she was becoming and that her actions against Zaun were wrong and she was becoming to much like Ambessa. The whole second arc was telling us why Vi would be pissed off Caitlyn for imprisoning Jinx the bonding they made and the mending that happened throughout episode 5 and 6. Like I’m sorry every time I hear people complain about the second season the complaints are so bad and are easily looked over once you actually look into it. I’m not trying to mean it is just so annoying because yeah there’s is plenty to criticize the second season has problems but the ones you bring up are just bad criticism of the show that easily get washed away once you go back and pay a little more attention.

    • @voidcat
      @voidcat วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@ryankim1388 What youve said makes literally zero sense. People often dont make decisions based on logical reasoning and "logical perspective". They often act based on emotions. Every choice has its pros and cons and can be logically justified or refuted, but as in real life this does not work like that, people are not robots and do not reason like you describe here.

    • @OJorEm
      @OJorEm วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      @@voidcat So tell me how much sense it makes, _emotionally,_ for Vi to join the enforcers in gassing Zaun without any questions or doubts?

  • @Googleusergoogleuser-b4p
    @Googleusergoogleuser-b4p วันที่ผ่านมา +53

    Vi's enforcer arc could have been so masterfully done if only they expanded on her being a "new Vander" (or striving to become one). It would make a beautiful parallel with Grayson-Cait too, since Grayson was forgotten too soon, and was also close to Caitlyn. They both, in fact, could be going through this arc, for it to then be ruined in some sort of way showing that there can be no peace between Zaun and Piltover

    • @RoamingTrend
      @RoamingTrend  วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      Love that idea! Vi/Caitlyn having a Vander/Grayson relationship. Both representatives of their respective worlds working together. In fact, their romantic relationship could also be utilized to show the relationship between Zaun and Piltover.

    • @Googleusergoogleuser-b4p
      @Googleusergoogleuser-b4p วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@RoamingTrend it would be very much in Arcane S1 style with people breaking down multiple parallels in shorts for years after lol

  • @dfddsfer4tv4g4b
    @dfddsfer4tv4g4b วันที่ผ่านมา +122

    The one more catastrophic character assasination that EFAP guys pointed out is that show impies that Vander/Silco conflict could've been simply resolved by Vander's letter to Silco, where he just says "i'm sorry for my outburst on the brindge back there". Like S1 didn't stress enough that their conflict is ideological. One refuses to fight so that no more life is lost to meaningless violence, and the other finds such life a disgrace. Silco even says all that to Vander's face. How much he despises him for making a deal with the enforcers.
    That couldn't have been all resolves with a letter. S1 Silco's reaction would have been "Ok, you're sorry. Does that mean you will fight fot the lanes now?"

    • @Kantorek17
      @Kantorek17 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

      This S1 Silco's reaction yiu describe is perfect! Like many people who liked S2 seems to not grasp the core conflict between Silco and Vander and see nothing wrong with them suddenly becoming friends over the letter.
      Your sentences alone speaks volumes on behalf of the core reason of their rivalry

    • @TheExitStrategy
      @TheExitStrategy 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      One other thing season one doesn't stress enough is that Silco also abandons his revolution sometime before episode 4. By the time we meet him again after the time skip, he is simply another crime lord selling drugs and keeping his goons intact. He never used shimmer to fight with Piltover, and only seems to revisit the idea when Jinx steals a hex crystal asking her to create a weapon. He then abandons Zaun a second time to protect JInx, fully completing his transformation into a Vander type character.

  • @duxfot6998
    @duxfot6998 วันที่ผ่านมา +125

    the worst part is riot now knows that they got the audience on the hook and soild writing like season 1 isnt really a necessity anymore. people wont care about quality of the writing as long as the franchise continue to be a visual masterpiece and makes them emotional. arcane season 1 might be the last time we see a solid quality writing in this franchise.

    • @RoamingTrend
      @RoamingTrend  วันที่ผ่านมา +49

      I call it the "Honeymoon" period. Don't worry. It fades. Happened with Star Wars and Game of Thrones

    • @Jdudec367
      @Jdudec367 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I mean it is, season 2 was pretty good really. They will care it's why season 1 is praised really. Nah mre like season 2 really.

    • @DianaDonineaux
      @DianaDonineaux วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It is fading but will they listen ?

    • @dmitrigherson5160
      @dmitrigherson5160 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

      In Arcane's case, S2 is hard carried by the writing of S1. People wouldn't been half as invested in S2 if the writing of S1 was anything as S2.

    • @DianaDonineaux
      @DianaDonineaux วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      There are so many series , films with crappy writing and thus having bad reviews but the same crap is happening again and again , it does not stop . At this point I think the excecutives are just sadist that want to torture the audience because everything else is quite good or great as the casting , music , visuals , the costumes BUT THE WRITING SUCKS . It is pratically always the writing the MAIN and/or ONLY issue .

  • @jinorism
    @jinorism 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +54

    i was trying so hard to defend everything that had happened up until the caitlyn and vi reunion scene. that was the nail in the coffin for me. you’re telling me after EVERYTHING they just run into each other outside the camp and caitlyn right away fully ambushes her, hits her with her rifle (again! multiple times! the inciting incident, again!) and pins her to the ground and vi just reacts with terribly cringe dialogue that’s supposed to be humorous allegedly and caitlyn folds once she hears “cupcake” and everything is fine. what the heck. it’s also just anticlimactic after the last time they saw each other being this very tense emotional scene. that’s genuinely my least favorite scene in the whole show like i had to pause and go outside 😭😭

    • @TwinklingMysticShot
      @TwinklingMysticShot 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +10

      "I am the dirt under your nails"
      Yeahhhj continue downgrading Vi into dirt guys cant belive that sentence took them 27 hours to come up with...

    • @LeylaSKDR
      @LeylaSKDR 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      "like i had to pause and go outside" it happened to me too with other scenes :(

    • @jinorism
      @jinorism 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      i hate that line so bad, and they had the audacity to make it the title of the finale episode 💀

    • @jinorism
      @jinorism 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      i was just in such denial, i was like no no no these writers are better than this. something will happen later to explain this…RIGHT??!?!

    • @HK-gm8pe
      @HK-gm8pe 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      I agree, I feel like last 2 episodes whent soo off the rails , I cringed soo hard when Vi said "cupcake" :D I overall hated rge fact that Caitlyns dictator arc literally went nowhere , the fact that she was a dictator is just forgotten within 5 minutes , Zaun and Piltover getting along now and everything was fine after they put 1 zaunite in the council, to that I laughed out sooo loud cause Im from eastern europe and I know that decades of oppression doesnt just get solved like this :D and overall I feel like writing Noxus into Zaun-Piltover story was too much, they should have focused only on these 2 cities , There were soo many problems in s2 that Im not even going to mention them all, I would sit here all day :D

  • @jeggsonvohees2201
    @jeggsonvohees2201 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +34

    It's insane that Vi and Caitlyn never tell *anyone* that Jinx murdered Silco, despite the huge tactical advantage it would give them.

    • @Kantorek17
      @Kantorek17 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +15

      Not only that, it's bizarre that NO ONE brings up the question on how Silco's died. Like not even Sevika who in the end is still loyal to him and values him as a leader with a lot of past legacies and as the one who can actually make their dream of Zaun come true

    • @jeggsonvohees2201
      @jeggsonvohees2201 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@Kantorek17 And she never learns that the person she's teaming up with and following is his killer. It's like the writers never heard of a Chekov's Gun.

    • @Kantorek17
      @Kantorek17 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@jeggsonvohees2201
      Oh but it's just very convinient for them to forget this nuance, isn't it?

    • @jeggsonvohees2201
      @jeggsonvohees2201 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      @Kantorek17 Of course, it would get in the way of their fun team up fight if the Yordle just told her Jinx killed him.

    • @TheExitStrategy
      @TheExitStrategy 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      @jeggsonvohees2201 Why would they believe an enforcer and traitor to the underground if they told them Silco was killed by his progeny? Having the underground believe THAT would have been bad writing.

  • @OJorEm
    @OJorEm วันที่ผ่านมา +129

    As a fan of Vi I really can't say I like season 2... The writers gave her no development nor agency and made her all willy-nilly

    • @charlestonjew7587
      @charlestonjew7587 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

      Jayce to Mel: "You will never be a passenger."
      Season 2 writers to Vi: "You will only ever be a passenger."

    • @OJorEm
      @OJorEm วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@charlestonjew7587 pain...

    • @crumbforducks
      @crumbforducks วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Same boat here. I absolutely love Vi and was more than ready to begin with more of her Enforcer era, which turned out to be ridiculously short. And honestly, I still am having a hard time with the grain of salt being her becoming an enforcer because Caitlyn had successfully convinced her to by saying “if I go after jinx alone, one of us will come back in a box”. How does that even work when it was so damn clear that they literally struggled to pick sides despite their terms pre-vi-enforcer(terms which in my opinion were QUITE VISIBLY NOT all that good since the memorial)? I love every character so damn deeply and every instance of ‘show not tell’ style development, but it’s so overly done in season 2 that I can’t help but feel empty with all the loose ends in hand.

    • @abdanmayori924
      @abdanmayori924 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      She literally have nothing, she just toss around here and there, the storh wouldve been the same without here
      Even caitlyn suddenly back with vi again is off

    • @TheExitStrategy
      @TheExitStrategy 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      She was always willy nilly. Vi is the undercity counterpart to Jayce. Both of them reactionary and easily influenced by their surroundings. Child Vi wants to fight Piltover with the undercity because they threaten her family. Adult Vi actually fights the undercity with Piltover to protect her sister (this is all still in season one). She leaves her sister behind when a "real monter shows up" 3 times. All still in season one.

  • @Paralelartist
    @Paralelartist 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +14

    11:04 to be honest, they really seem to enjoy glossing over toxic relationships because the fanbase want a romance story, no matter how absurd or bad it really is

  • @3ferrets_in_a_trenchcoat
    @3ferrets_in_a_trenchcoat 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +16

    I'm very disappointed in where they took Vi's character this season. She's a character whose motivations in life are her love for her family, she realises her only remaining family member, Jinx, doesn't want to be saved/is irredeemable, her gf hits her, and now she's alone. It would have been so interesting to explore in depth how a character like Vi dealt with being truly alone, it could have been a great opportunity for her to learn how to live for herself but no, we get a 2 minute montage and then she's back to Jinx. I loved the montage itself don't get me wrong, but we needed more. It wasn't enough on it's own. More Vi at rock bottom, then Vi learning a lesson from it and developing as a character.
    I also very much agree that Vi trusting Caitlyn again is just so dumb. Caitlyn proved to Vi that all enforcers really are ''just asshole criminals in fancy uniforms'' the moment she hit her, hell the moment she decided to gas the underground. That shouldn't have happened, or at least it should not have been Caitlyn that made the order to release the grey (that said, hellfire is a banger song).
    Vi really is just ragdolled between Caitlyn and her sister the whole time. I've seen the argument that Caitlyn was grieving and yeah, that's fine, let her make mistakes, but for Vi to trust her again? That is completely out of character for someone that has spent her whole life being oppressed by enforcers.

    • @chrisadams1438
      @chrisadams1438 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Especially because she DOES actually tell Caitlyn to slow her role and check herself at one point (I mean it comes way too late and like Trend said in the video the dialogue is practically incoherent but at least she DOES SAY SOMETHING) and Caitlyn agrees...and then they kiss. So, are we doing the "love prevails" thing or aren't we? Having that happen then Cait bashes her with the rifle and tells her she's exactly the same as her sister is like...I would throw hands and never stop if I ever saw that bitch again

    • @joelquinn5347
      @joelquinn5347 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      As if Vi cares so much about getting hit. She thinks she is making mistakes left and right because she tries to solve problems either with her fists or as part of her old belief system. Her bouncing between Jinx and Cait is nothing wrong; thats how messy things are. She can't give up on her sister even if she tries to put force behind it and she loves Caitlyn. And you need to recognise nuances. Take the end - she trusts Caitlyn to move against Ambessa because she has no other choice to stop them but she does not trust Cait enough to share that Jinx is around, and Vi makes plenty of mistakes herself; she wont fault someone else based on one or even a couple. Nuanced decision. You just can't stop to think about how enforcers ruined her life. They went this road and they developed it - you can't just fall back to something, ignoring everything that happened. Cait changed her opinion; the dire situation forced her to change her opinion and she still breaks away from them. Vi became part of that enforcer group because of 1) Pay for "her" sins because she feels responsible for Jinx 2) She loves Cait, fears for her safety and Cait showed her that its not just evil Enforcers, good Zaunites 3) to stop a full-scale invasion of her home, which she is not part of when it finally happens and probably also because of 4) Vander who walked a collaborative path with Greyson.
      I agree that the time restrictions of this season took room away for certain things to breathe, but they still made it work. You can find your answer or development in certain montages; you just need to be willing to look for it or stop making wrong assumptions. But definitely move on - they had to end it and not another 945 episodes to look at each aspect for the 50th time.

  • @Crelixal
    @Crelixal 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +27

    It honestly feels like this season’s writers don’t even understand how good season 1’s writing was in the first place. Like what in the world happened behind the scenes???

    • @ViktorBezK
      @ViktorBezK 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +17

      Two man causes:
      1) they lost the guy who wrote Toy story 2 and was a veteran of the industry
      2) Covid lockdown, meaning 3 people who weren't good writers wrote season 2 on a zoom call.
      Other stuff probably but this had the biggest impact.

    • @TheExitStrategy
      @TheExitStrategy 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Its the same writers...

    • @crypussy
      @crypussy 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Many people who were in the credits for season one were not in season two. I also saw an interview clip from one of the writers in season 2 that said they had to let a lot of people go due to covid (why?!) And by the end there were only 3 writers left in season 2 of them originally only had supervising roles on the first season. So there was basically just one writer from the first season left. I don't know if this is 100% true or not, but it would explain a lot.

    • @OJorEm
      @OJorEm 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@TheExitStrategy I thought a few of them left?

    • @ioanah.2901
      @ioanah.2901 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@TheExitStrategy No, the writing team shrunk, you can see it on imdb credits and there are also interviews about this. Curious about what was the reason behind this decision...unfortunately S2 has undeniably lower quality in writing and storytelling. the pacing is super fast and there are too many underdeveloped storylines therefore the story feels rushed, the dialogue is sparse and of much lower quality(this one really pissed me off the most, s1 dialogue was so good and emotionally impactful) the characters bounce from one state to a completely oppossite state willy nilly, the side characters have 0 personality and 0 impact, could barely care for them, i could go on and on. The story overall was not that bad, it had some good moments, personally i liked the alternate universe story although i know that theme was overdone to death, and the ending with viktor and jayce was visually beautiful and the dialogue between them had an impact up to par with the best scenes in s1. The soundtrack and visuals are doing all the heavy lifting, but once people get over the honeymoon period, it's gonna sting. 🎶What could have been.🎶

  • @adekunletaiwo1342
    @adekunletaiwo1342 วันที่ผ่านมา +161

    I was coping so hard when I watched this because I remember feeling so empty after and just telling myself I needed to watch it again. Not a single thing was fleshed out in this season.

    • @damjay005
      @damjay005 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Fr I think the same thing. It's worse than I thought

    • @adekunletaiwo1342
      @adekunletaiwo1342 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@damjay005still I really want to try to love it and I just can’t 😂
      I think I am ready to start taking the position that it is not a worthy follow up in conversation.

    • @chrishaven1489
      @chrishaven1489 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      They didn't have time to flesh out everyting. The creators decided to shove 2 seasons worth of story into one, and as a result we got 2 hypothetical half-seasons mushed together to form one season. So a lot of character arcs were missing vital beats in their progression and felt rushed because of it

    • @adekunletaiwo1342
      @adekunletaiwo1342 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      @ that makes a lot of sense. Man imagine if there was 3 seasons. I want to be in that time line.

    • @LindyLime
      @LindyLime 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Empty is how I felt too

  • @ChemSwindler
    @ChemSwindler วันที่ผ่านมา +172

    It astonishes me that Grayson from S1 had less screen time than Isha.

    • @ViktorBezK
      @ViktorBezK วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      WANDER had less screentime then isha 💀💀💀💀
      What a shit-show.

    • @lolicongang.4974
      @lolicongang.4974 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@ViktorBezKlol they served their purpose. Isha better

    • @damjay005
      @damjay005 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      Yo when you put it like that I'm actually shock how indepth she was compared to Isha holy shit

    • @orbboom6119
      @orbboom6119 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Grogu a better character than isha tbh

    • @azural8347
      @azural8347 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Grayson deserved better fr

  • @alexrosette596
    @alexrosette596 วันที่ผ่านมา +86

    Sevika’s ending is the most outrageous to me, and I don’t see many people talking about it. If there was one thing that characterized her is that she was committed to a cause, not a person: to the rebellion against oppression from Piltover.
    She betrayed Vander because he stopped fighting the fight she believed in, and even considered betraying Silco as well when she felt him wavering, and you’re telling me this woman accepts to become part of the council at the end?
    It’s beyond stupid. It was unbelievable enough that she even showed up to help them in the final fight. Ugh.

    • @Kantorek17
      @Kantorek17 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Not only that, she's also suddenly comes in terms with Jinx in contradiction to their long and strong rivalry established in Season 1. She should be THE FIRST person to start asking questions on behalf of Silco's death, especially asking those questions to Jinx whom she would be the most suspicious of

    • @mischr13
      @mischr13 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      if she were gonna join the status quo she would at least demand that zaun gets equal votes at the table. how does zaun getting one vote fix literally anything??

    • @fluffyclouden
      @fluffyclouden 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      YES and they literally showed a scene where she walked off when Jayce was showing Viktor's robot... cmon...

    • @njabulosithole1795
      @njabulosithole1795 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@alexrosette596 The Zaunites were done so dirty this season. The only thing they kind of explored was the police state and how people are beaten and captured for fighting oppressive rule. But even then they copped out and let Viktor be the big bad, instead of thinking about the political and ideological implications of police brutality and chemical warfare. I'm SO fine...

    • @TheExitStrategy
      @TheExitStrategy 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Silco was also going to be on the council. Its part of recognizing Zaun as an independent entity, yet still a part of the city (they are physically connected after all). I do believe the joining of the 2 needed more development and a longer post-ending explaining her position and the status of Zaun would have helped a lot.

  • @chrishaven1489
    @chrishaven1489 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +10

    Every single problem with this season can be boiled down to the fact that the creators shoved 2 seasons worth of material into a single season. And as a result, a lot of vital character and plot beats were cut out from the story, and the story very much suffered for it. The show very much needed another season

  • @juiceandlatte
    @juiceandlatte วันที่ผ่านมา +91

    Never have I thought that there would be a character assassination worse than what Game of Thrones S8 writers did to Jaime... But then Arcane S2 came out ruining almost everyone.
    Thank you for a wonderful analysis Trend!

    • @vikkidonn
      @vikkidonn วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It really didn’t though.almost ALL of them act directly within their character, it’s the audience applying or twisting things from the first season from over 2 yrs ago that makes it feel off.
      Vi being an enforcer was not only ALWAYS going to happen as it was original lore, she repeatedly follows after Cait doing things as she sees fit regardless of the fall out. She’s never truly shown a love towards Jinx. It’s more like familial obligation. Cait is the only one she actively acts out of love towards and not responsibility or obligation. This is why Vi is so quick to abandon jinx at will whenever she does something Vi doesn’t like.
      Cait repeatedly makes xenophobic and elitist comments that Vi calls her out on. Why wouldn’t Caits underlying xenophobia NOT come out when her mother is killed? That’s who she always was
      The list goes on and on. The problem is the pacing which causes these things to be spedrun and not fully fleshed out. The destination is a given it’s just about enjoying the journey sort of thing. If you just time travel to the end of the road of course it’s gonna be jarring but it doesn’t mean we weren’t headed there already.

    • @blacktigerpaw1
      @blacktigerpaw1 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@vikkidonnNo. Enough with this cope. Cait becomes a fascist dictator who gasses Zaunites and does Vi have anything to say about that? Just something about a pig "oinking poison in her ear".

    • @TheExitStrategy
      @TheExitStrategy 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      This is nowhere near season 8 of GoT. A little fast paced and leaving out some context here and there, but way better than that disaster.

    • @TheExitStrategy
      @TheExitStrategy 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@vikkidonn I agree, its original season 1 fans who are typically unhappy with season 2. Most of those who watched both seasons together and didn't have 3 years to marinate their own stories into expectations for season 2 think the show as a whole is great. My first watch through of season 2 a was a little disappointed myself, but after a couple more times to peal back the layers I find myself appreciating it more and more.

    • @vikkidonn
      @vikkidonn 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@TheExitStrategy yeah I watched with my brother in a similar fashion most people did. Three episodes at a time as they released. I automatically felt the pace to be extremely jarring, and I knew certain plot beats would be over looked by the average “normie” viewer. And I don’t mean that in a rude manner at all. I mean there are certain things being stated that completely contradict the events in season 1 altogether you know? Like I said Vi was always going this direction and so was Cait. I mean…. There are people still claiming Vi didn’t abandoned powder even though Vi literally says she did and apologizes for it and hitting her ect. I mean…….. that’s a bit important to distinguish no?? It literally sets up her character and her core principles and therefore holds extreme impact in understanding how she operates going forward.
      I and several others argue Vi never truly loved powder/jinx as a person but showed her love out of familial obligation, loyalty, and honor which were most core to Vi. In fact she did that after promising Vander to take care of powder on his death bed… it wasn’t an accident it was her genuine feelings about Powder and her genuine reaction was to hit her and walk away leaving her behind. She realizes she made a promise and that powder was literally all she had left. This is exactly why when she comes back almost every interaction is her NOT listening to powder but trying to guide her into things she doesn’t want to do. She NEVER discusses powders trauma nor acknowledges her mental health struggles. When jinx isn’t the person Vi wants or needs her to be(little powder idolizing her and needing her protection) she starts literally claiming jinx killed her sister as if they aren’t the same person…..
      The same way she reacts to Cait who literally told her several times what she was going to do and demonstrated her resolve in doing it. Gassing innocent people wasn’t enough but actually about to kill jinx and another kid? Too far.
      I mean she even dismisses Caits hesitation in the sex cell saying she doesn’t care anymore about anything Cait has done because she loves her yada yada. Vi has always been prone to reckless selfishly motivated actions without any thought behind it. That’s why the minute Cait abandons her she just drinks, fights, and sleeps. She had no real motivations outside of those she chooses to cling to. This was shown in season 1 but the audience side stepped it because it ruined their own head cannon because they thought she was hot…. I mean this pretty much goes for all the characters.
      They weren’t “ruined” they were rushed. If anything season 2 puts the critical analysis of the audience to the test more so than season one and in direct comparison to seaon1 GoT. You have to pay attention to literally EVERYTHING including the music and slight facial expressions. But it’s animation meaning MOST people never take it as seriously as live action. Everything has to have attention drawn to it for people to actually pay attention.

  • @ShatteredSoulINC
    @ShatteredSoulINC วันที่ผ่านมา +75

    This is a phenomenal video. I enjoyed Season 2 while watching it, probably because it's visually interesting, but didn't realize how empty it made me feel until I watched this. I couldn't put my finger on it. Seeing all the setup they did in Season 1 that was straight up abandoned feels bad man, makes you wish for a season 2 that will now never get a chance to be.

    • @chaipanzu
      @chaipanzu วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      same tbh, after the initial hype went down i started noticing just how many flaws this season truly had

    • @DLxxx
      @DLxxx วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      I think thats the most painful part. I've been through this song and dance before (beloved series makes a successful story with rich character only to fumble everything at the finish line, and poisoning your warm memories associated with it).
      But that disappointment doesn't compare to the realization that this isn't just wasted potential. It's not just that what we got was bad, it's what we LOST as a result that hurts the most. We were robbed of a masterpiece that will never get the chance to exist now. Forever left to womder what could've been, which is always an agonizing thing to think about for a story that was once amazing.
      I hate that feeling so much.. and that's why, despite being passionate about writing, I haven't posted any of my own stories yet. Because I desperately want them to reach their full potential on the principle that that's what stories deserve.

    • @Madjichen
      @Madjichen 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      That ending is what really made me think "WOW this shit is so ass"

  • @zapzya
    @zapzya วันที่ผ่านมา +82

    It breaks my heart that people like this season. It just means that this is the standard we can expect in the future, because people will just eat it up.

    • @damjay005
      @damjay005 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      It's such a letdown makes me sad fr

    • @rjkzbkfy9665
      @rjkzbkfy9665 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@zapzya If it breaks your heart that people enjoy certain piece of media that you don't, you should re-evaluate your relationship and consumption of media and stop being chronically online.

    • @abdanmayori924
      @abdanmayori924 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ⁠@@rjkzbkfy9665 its sad cuz people gloss over the flaws and keep calling this “peak cinema” which can lead to uninspiring writing in the future

    • @veronis
      @veronis 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      people are distracted by the quality of the animation and use it as an excuse for bad writing. otherwise, it's pure cope from the people saying that s2 is a "masterpiece", because they don't want to admit that their favorite show has flaws

  • @caecusmadness7826
    @caecusmadness7826 วันที่ผ่านมา +46

    Thank you for calling out this mockery ! I've never seen such wasted potential for a serie... this fall into mediocrity nearly hurt me physically as I was watching this season. After such a wonderful season one, I feel betrayed by the writing and awfully sad because so many people praise this season, so much so I thought I was crazy for thinking it was terrible ! If not for the fantastic animation and all the work done by the animators who tried to put life in those empty puppets of characters, people would see that the story makes no sense... if it was live action, it would be burn to the ground by critics !
    Alas, Riot will only see the good articles in the press, the praises on social media and the number of views on Netflix... and nothing will change. They will now serve that kind of low effort slop again and again since so many love to eat it without questions.

  • @taylorschmidt6657
    @taylorschmidt6657 วันที่ผ่านมา +50

    THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO MAN. I have been fighting in the trenches critiquing this season.
    Caitlyn - some people have been saying that Caitlyn becomes so brutal because the death of her mom causes her to fall back on her privileged and prejudice, which like I guess. but the thing is in s1 she doesn't even actively show any prejudice towards zaunites, just ignorance, which is understandable given her privileged position. Any prejudice or stereotypes she may have even subconsciously believed in are then actively unlearned as she consistently sees the good in zaunites like Vi and Ekko, and has that whole convo about "this city needs healing" and "ending the cycle of violence". You can't say she "fell back on prejudice" when that prejudice wasn't really even shown to be there. You also clearly see her in s1 reject her family's status to become an enforcer. Her feeling pressure to fulfill her mother's shoes is understandable given her death, and her guilt about not taking the shot that could have prevented the attack, but there is no where near enough evidence for such an extreme change in her character to make sense just because of grief. Especially cuz she spent all of season 1 becoming more aware about systemic inequality, almost never resorted to violence, and was probably the kindest character in season 1. It's such an insane flip that happens in a snap. And they fee like they can get away with not exploring important character and plot developments if it's in a montage music video.
    The way half the cast (Viktor, Jayce, Mel, Ekko, and Heimer) all just completely removed from the plot so they can avoid exploring their s1 setup and explore the class conflict at hand for this bs magic and Arcane crap for a marvel style big battle finale is ludicrous.The way Piltover and Zaun just team up in the end and zaunites die wearing the uniforms of their oppressors is not just laughable but disturbing. Like besides unresolved systemic issues, why would they help fight WHEN IT'S UNCLEAR WHAT THE ARCANE/VIKTOR/GLORIOUS EVOLUTION/NOXUS THREAT EVEN IS??!?!?!?!
    Also, the revisionism. At first I tried to make it make sense, but the more I thought about it the more it clearly was just shoehorned in this season. Which is so frustrating for Vander and Silco's character. Like of all the flashbacks you have between the two of them, you chose the one that actively forces your audience to jump from hoop to hoop to justify its existence? what. Plus, this season points the day Vander drowned Silco to be the same day as the bridge scene from the opening of the show (and implies that it's like Silco's fault the mom died and that's what made Vander rage?) but in s1, these events don't even happen at the same time. In the drowning flashback the weather is completely different and Vander doesn't have beard, but on the bridge when he rescues Vi and Powder he has a beard and his outfit is different, implying that these two events happen months, if not YEARS a part. It's clear this was never the original intention in season 1.
    You're so right about the warick wasted potential. I only saw what they did as a lazy way to get the sisters to reconcile without dealing with the complex implications of the s1 finale (much like how the finale age of ultron boss is a cheap way to get the cities to reconcile). I thought the plot was such a waste of time, especially cuz it has zero impact on the plot. Also, Isha was cheap way to "bring powder back" and prevent Jinx from doing any actual terrorism that would force them to talk about the conflict between the sisters, cities, revolution, or even Jinx's own character.
    And them abandoning Jinx as a character, the ENTIRE Piltover/Zaun class conflict (when that was central to the show), and the questions about hextech being used for weapons (now it's age of ultron and technology is just evil now ig), is blatantly disrespectful to all the nuanced conflicts and plots season 1 explored and set up to be further explored in season 2.

    • @njabulosithole1795
      @njabulosithole1795 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      Are you my lost sister? These are ALL my grievances with S2. ALL of them. They threw away the class conflict and they assassinated so many characters in this show. The deeply complex and interpersonal relationships all lost in favour of fighting the "big bad".
      My least favourite character moment was Jinx...becoming better mentally on a dime. Mental illness doesn't JUST go away. It is an ILLNESS for a reason!
      So so much of wasted potential.

    • @DianaDonineaux
      @DianaDonineaux วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Cait was my favorite is S1 , but her arc in S2 was a complete heartbreak for me . Jinx the terrorist became a hero , the fact she killed Silco and screwed up the independance of Zaun is ignored , but Cait who is supposed to have empathy , be intelligent became a kind of dictator but finally not , she was manipulated by Ambessa and Maddie all along to absolve her of any responsability . She was behaving like the rich kid who look down on poor people but finally find someone interesting in the person of Vi . And then when Vi does not want follow her script she is not good enough and dismisses her in the most violent manner .
      In act 1 I really thought that Maddie and the blue fish guy were sent by Caitlyn to manipulate Vi to join the Enforcers.
      I really thought that the kiss in the sewers was manipulation too because, honestly they could have done that before but the writers said no it was genuine .
      Caitlyn was sheltered but she knew that she was being sheltered because she has a curious mind , is intelligent . Even as a young age she knew that her parents could bribe someone to let her win and was not okay with that . She showed a lot of empathy to people , she saw and understood the situation in where Zaunites were . Grief does change people and I expected her to be more violent but now if I was not aware about what a character assassination is I would believe she was fake to Vi , Ekko in S1 . What is she shooting for in S2 ? What about the city needs healing ?

    • @bilgeakaln6335
      @bilgeakaln6335 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      the po,nt you make about Isha being there only so they could avoid having Jinx around doing Jinx stuff is so correct. Because if real Jinx from season 1 was there she wouldn't NOT be doing bug fights but fighting vigorously for her city or at least to embrace this new persona she accepted in the finale of season. It was so annoying to watch her when all of season 1 was so Jinx could become Jinx only for the first act of the Bs season to be like "jinx is dead" like HUH? YOU KİLLED SİLCO FOR THAT PERSONA

    • @taylorschmidt6657
      @taylorschmidt6657 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@njabulosithole1795 exactly! and it's so frusturating too cuz I see gilmpses of them ALMOST exploring that potential, but then it's completely overshadowed by all the plot stuff they gotta check off.
      and yes Jinx's Jinxey-ness and psychosis just evaporating is like what the heck??? it makes sense that she might have a different relationship to it or experience it in a different way after accepting her "Jinx" persona but not for it to be almost completely gone! and then they just have her say "Jinx is dead" so they don't have to explore what that persona means so Jinx can be a hero now LMAO
      there are ideas that I see potential in, but it's like the writers don't even wanna explore the potential of the new stuff THEY ADDED in s2 cuz the pacing is so fast so we can jump from plot point to plot point and move on without ever having to say anything about anything. don't need to dwell in complex character, themes, and socioeconomic issues if we just jump ahead to new world ending plots ig! UGH

    • @taylorschmidt6657
      @taylorschmidt6657 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@DianaDonineaux yes, and the narrative just wants us to forgive her in the end cuz she gets with Vi. But they have to nerf Vi's own character to get that to happen cuz she should have an INTENSE grudge against Caitlyn after ep3. She trusts one enforcer and is betrayed horribly. The narrative wants us to forgive her or feel like everything was resolved when they did NONE of the work and development to make that happen. Her gassing the undercity has no consequences in the story cuz zaun just joins the final battle anyway! so it makes it seem like her actions had no meaning or harm cuz they serve nothing to the story. there is no cause and effect because they abandon these plots and thus absolve Cait of any responsibility for the sake of making their ship canon. it's a disservice to both Vi and Caitlyn's character.

  • @ryleefrani771
    @ryleefrani771 วันที่ผ่านมา +81

    The biggest thing I hate is that no matter how many problems it has, people who don't care about writing still love it (by the way apparently season 2 literally has a higher rating than season 1)

    • @danevisser1927
      @danevisser1927 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@ryleefrani771 the quality of the writing and how people feel about isn't the same thing. Objectively season 2 writing is equal to that of season 1

    • @ryleefrani771
      @ryleefrani771 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

      @danevisser1927 I disagree, season 1 was both good as a standalone thing as well as being actual league lore, it played into league lore and it changed things but didn't break any of the rules of the characters and setting, season 2 did to the point of making characters not even be able to exist in the setting anymore.
      But lets say you don't really care for the game, season 2 is still worse (pretty sure the existence of this video proves that)

    • @ulizez89
      @ulizez89 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

      Yeah, the worst part is that the company will see S2 reaction and then give us the same polished turd for whatever they do next.

    • @danevisser1927
      @danevisser1927 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ulizez89 you mean polished gold

    • @scottjohnson9799
      @scottjohnson9799 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      Lots of truth here. I can live with the disappointment of a bad season. It hurts, but it's temporary. But seeing millions of people blinded by pretty-looking trash and eagerly looking forward to more fills me with a grim foreboding and causes me to despair of ever getting more quality writing in the future.
      Why bother putting in effort when the audience literally embodies the meme: "Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next product"

  • @duxfot6998
    @duxfot6998 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    the more you think about season 2 the worse it gets.

  • @Plotbunnyhunter
    @Plotbunnyhunter วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    The second part of season 2 feels like the writers didn't watch Season 1 themselves and just improvised.

    • @Kantorek17
      @Kantorek17 21 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      Don't flatter them, if look closely it's like the writing team has no connection to S1 whatsoever
      Sevika somehow coming in terms with Jinx, Jinx herself going silent almost normal which is very not in character for her. It's a waste

  • @blazelightzero595
    @blazelightzero595 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    2:40 You don't get it Trend. It's not your cane, or my cane. It's Arcane

  • @laurennightingale4752
    @laurennightingale4752 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

    For why Viktor would need to save Jayce as a kid, its because in all timelines and all possibilities Jayce is the only person who could convince him that his victory was meaningless, because he would be alone and miss his best friend.
    He knows Jayce is the only one because, i guess, we can assume he is the only verson of viktor who HAS regretted winning enough to reach out through the anomaly. Because he DID change for Jayce. But he realized too late.
    I think its also implied that without hextech at all, there is no evil viktor, which means hextech itself is bad and i HATE THAT I HATE IT SO MUCH IT RUINS THEIR ARCS
    Also all the stuff with Jayce killing viktor and saying "my partner died in this room" after talking with FUTURE VIKTOR... confessing his love... with hearts in his eyes.. makes zero sense youre right and i hate that too.

    • @Plight_
      @Plight_ วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      Why let jayce rot in a ditch for God knows how long? Why not just explain the whole timeline thing to Jayce and send Jayce back before it's too late.
      Alt Viktor's plan failed it was Ekko that saved it

    • @laurennightingale4752
      @laurennightingale4752 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      @@Plight_ what I wouldn't give to sit down with these writers and ask wtf they were thinking. Explain why Jayce and Vik had to kill themselves and Hextech to save the day please how is that a useful message for the audience.

    • @politkos5348
      @politkos5348 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      yeah this makes no sense in a multiverse setting
      Theres an infinite number of viktors and jayces, i dont know why the writers thought this was a good idea

    • @Plight_
      @Plight_ วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@laurennightingale4752 that's the worst right there. It's so many more stories that we can get from the characters but they wanted off every single one of them.
      If this was the avengers this would be like Ironman getting off'd in Ironman 1
      Viktor will never create blitzcrank, we'll never see Cam interact with Jayce, and so on.
      Imagine an old jayce grizzled, wise, hardened, experienced, teaching the next cast of characters like Zeri or being called in to use Hextech to fight against the big bads of league's universe.
      I hope Ambessa gets resurrected as a new member of the grey legion at least.

    • @blacktigerpaw1
      @blacktigerpaw1 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@laurennightingale4752It also means mage Viktor tweaked every multiverse because every single one of them is the same, when a multiverse operates under different variables.
      Then again, it was based on the MCU.

  • @e2b265
    @e2b265 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

    One of the things that I was worried about was that they’d start connecting more of the show to the game, and make the characters like they are in the game instead of what’s best for the story. I don’t think they did that, but I think they went partway in that direction, and kind of did have a bit of a “What are we? Some kind of League of Legends?” feel to a lot of the characters over time.

    • @kurhanchyk
      @kurhanchyk วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      they somehow gamefied characters that were not in the game before (mel)

    • @j.jonahjoestar7924
      @j.jonahjoestar7924 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      As a victor fan, I fucking wish they made him more like the game, I'll take supervillain over Warframe jesus

    • @Kantorek17
      @Kantorek17 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@kurhanchyk
      The entire Mel story in this Season feels like one huge reveal advertisement of a new characters to the game 💀

    • @kurhanchyk
      @kurhanchyk 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Kantorek17 real. i loved mel and would like to see a real character arc for her, family issues, identity, politics, reflecting on how her (in)actions must have contributed to strife between the cities. i dgaf if she's a wizard, not even that interested in noxus show they kinda teased now

    • @Kantorek17
      @Kantorek17 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      @kurhanchyk
      Mel in S1 was a BRILLIANTLY made character. Seriously, I just loved the way how witty smart and manipulative she is. It was a pleasure watching her playing her cards right and it was soo intriguing thinking on what she actually wants to achieve and whether we should trust her or not
      But in S2 she's basically downgraded to your familiar default mage that has some great power given to her by yadda yadda yadda
      Ironically upon recieving her magic powers she's lost her real power, at least in regards of what we see on the screen. Since she's no longer a character, but yet another tool for writers to do whatever the thing they do...

  • @mars8916
    @mars8916 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Totally agree 👍.
    I’m so glad that so many videos are coming out and saying this stuff. I wouldn’t normally care but It’s such a shame seeing great work be tarnished.
    My personal biggest disappointment was Jinx and and having her redemption arc starting off screen before episode one and then being so conveniently facilitated by a mute third plot device of a character. I wanted to see jinx the agent of chaos. Redeem her if you want but only after she has been allowed to run wild for a at least a bit.

    • @RoamingTrend
      @RoamingTrend  วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I expected a lot more too. Big sad.

    • @mars8916
      @mars8916 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@RoamingTrendanother thing I haven’t seen mentioned. Is how “on the nose” all of the songs are, actually felt this was one of the only flaws in season 1. So much effort was put into not using exposition to tell the story by artfully using visual story telling or setting up character values so that you already know how a character feels about an event. But then a song kicks in and within the first few lines we get a reductionist explaination of what is going through the characters thoughts.
      I think the soundtrack was very lazy and will date the show. Unlike the score which was classic and extremely high quality.
      Anyway thanx for the reply , great video 😊

  • @jimmyrustles358
    @jimmyrustles358 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    The best critique of Arcane season 2 I have seen.

  • @RoamingTrend
    @RoamingTrend  วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    There is a lot to like about Season 2, just not the writing. What are the things you like about Season 2?

    • @njabulosithole1795
      @njabulosithole1795 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The visuals of The Arcane, and Viktor's final boss design, were ridiculously good and inspired. Also, the voice acting is top notch. The emotions and inflections in tone 😩

    • @thewatcher...2401
      @thewatcher...2401 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Visuals are better than season 1 and I’ll honestly stand by that.
      I honestly didn’t mind Isha at all, yes, she’s a plot device, but I’d argue there’s a lot of media out there that uses them to drive the plot forward like this season. Her presence was also nice and still drove forward Jinx’s arc, also it still established why Jinx is friends with her.
      I enjoyed it while it lasted, and I also enjoyed act 2 a lot despite its problems. I just thought they would’ve explored it in act 3 better, such as Cait forgiving Vi and vice-versa. That’s something where I lost a lot of hope in this season, I simply hated the finale because, like you, I was left empty. I felt nothing when Jinx “died”
      Even if it wasn’t handled the best, I didn’t mind Mel’s arc. I’d argue she would’ve stayed at nearly the exact same state she was at the end of season 1 where she hated Ambessa, instead of actually changing her as a character. That’s something that was still foreshadowed at the end of season 1, so that was carried on well imo.
      The music STILL WORKS! It’s also just better music in general imo. It’s also not like it’s always pressing the rewind button or something, ones like Wasteland, Heavy is the Crown, Sucker, or The Line still progress the story. The example you said with the bridge scene is yes, well timed, but I see the others and think not all of them are like that. Key words being “all of them”, because I agree that there’s some needless ones here and there, hence the larger soundtrack, but I digress.
      I really did love episode 7 because it felt like a taste of what it was like in season 1, with familiar characters and traditional character growth, not like I’m undermining the previous episodes of this season, even if it was worse. I do agree however, thinking back, the writers definitely couldn’t afford to have an entire episode like that if they wanted to tell the story in a certain runtime.
      I absolutely loved Vander this season and no one can change my mind, it was clearly foreshadowed in season 1, even the announcement trailer. Having that relationship to come back together as the sisters because of their dad in my opinion was one of the best things this season. I admit I had tears in my eyes at the end of episode 5
      Anyway, a lot more I liked, but season 2 was fun and at the end of the day I liked it

    • @bryanwigmore7224
      @bryanwigmore7224 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The visuals around the Arcane were mind-blowing, and the philosophy was interesting. I almost wish they'd broken harder with S1 and gone deeper into that. The web of character relationships in S1, especially familial and para-familial, was so lightning-in-a-bottle good that they were dooming themselves by trying the same again.

  • @SummerIrvin
    @SummerIrvin วันที่ผ่านมา +29

    I keep subscribing to any channel that talks smack about s2, if you think of more to say later, I'm all ears 😂

  • @ryleefrani771
    @ryleefrani771 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    I know the Ekko episode kinda felt like it wastes time but I don't agree, I mean it's the only episode the guy got and needed to get his tech to explain how he is in game. (It's pretty much their best episode too because it works in lore) But what I don't like about Ekko as a character is that he just didn't fit into season 2, he's meant to be the guy who cares about Zaun and we get to see that, they still kept that. But they changed the story so much that him caring about Zaun stopped being important, because now Piltover and Zaun are working together to fight the noxians, because Ambessa became the main villain, it isn't a thing about how the rich piltovans don't realize the hell that's happening in Zaun. Ekko's character of being the voice of Zaun stopped mattering because Ambessa got too big. Even Ambessa got dumbed down, over everything her character is being a good and loving mother that you don't realize is good and loving due to noxian ideals, but she didn't even try to look for Mel when she went missing, when Mel disappeared Ambessa should've left too (bonus: I don't think the Mel and Kino thing was bad, because Kino is also important in Ambessa's lore, and just showing him is good, but I do agree that the black rose was something that didn't really NEED to be there, I like that it is but it was weird, the thing is I get the black rose being there, it matters because they care about what Ambessa is doing way outside Noxus over at Piltover, so it makes sense for the black rose to watch over her, but what I don't like is how Ambessa didn't immediately realize she should go back to Noxus and try to find the black rose to get Mel back. That way we'll get Noxus gone from the story and go back to it being a Piltover/Zaun thing all the while building up the next story including Noxus)
    (I don't want to type more but I have so many things I want to say about this show, they ruined so much about the lore because of season 2)

  • @u48Cf60k
    @u48Cf60k วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    finally. i've been waiting for this video since s2 finished. thanks for putting all my thoughts to words

  • @t34r
    @t34r วันที่ผ่านมา +31

    Trend. This is the second time you forcefully opened my eyes to show me how bad a series has been (or become) that i really really wanted to be good. That really hurts but I'm still thankfull for it.
    PS: Please never make a face reveal. That would destroy the magic.
    PPS: Please talk about "the wild robot". I would really like to hear your opinion on that one.

    • @Kantorek17
      @Kantorek17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It's really great to see more people seeing flaws of S2 now! There's no words to describe how happy I am to see it!
      Welcome to the disappointed club pal~ ✨🔥💖💗🤙 Arcane 2 has let us all down

    • @t34r
      @t34r วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Kantorek17 To be fair. I know absolutely nothing about League of Legends but I can understand logical arguments and Trend is very good in this.

    • @Kantorek17
      @Kantorek17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@t34r
      I have no idea about the League lore either, I'm just a fellow fan of S1. And I have been immeasurably disappointed in S2 upon finishing the 3rd arc. It felt like a completely different series, in a bad way. Since everything except animation and sound design felt like a huuuge downgrade to me

  • @dspace4514
    @dspace4514 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    Caitlyn changed sides and helped Vi waaaay too quickly.

  • @namsinh5492
    @namsinh5492 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Idk why it is so hard to believe jinx could be a hero to the Zaunites bro, she blew up the counsel, its like Luigi killing the CEO.

    • @RoamingTrend
      @RoamingTrend  วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      It's a neat idea if her random acts of chaos would be seen as an act of rebellion, but she's hiding for half the season and then fights alongside Piltover.

    • @namsinh5492
      @namsinh5492 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      ​@@RoamingTrend Agreed, I was actually hyped for the zaun revolution but they ruined it, I died when they have the zaunites escape prison and then days later wear the enforcer uniforms to fight robots

    • @diassharafov
      @diassharafov วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      Your example would have made sense if before kiling a CEO Luigi would spend good amount of time killing innocents and cops with grenades and guns, while working on somebody even worse that that CEO

    • @thewatcher...2401
      @thewatcher...2401 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      That’s a WILD comparison

    • @namsinh5492
      @namsinh5492 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@diassharafov Damn, I forgot about that, its been a while since I saw ss1

  • @merlin5662
    @merlin5662 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    People who love S2 and defend it imo are way to emotionally attached to understand that the season has a really rough ending. S2 shouldve focused on act 1 and 2 and flesh out wct 3 into season 3. The amount of people i hqve seen people defend arcane wnd say "yea it was rushed BUT..."

  • @minkinns8438
    @minkinns8438 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    I hate to agree with this but yeah, I had some similar feelings when I watched it. I think my biggest grievances were the way that it almost seemed like Caitlyn lost her character from season 1 at the beginning of season 2, and the way that the class issue was almost forgotten about by the end. Honestly, I almost think it would’ve been better to cut Ambessa and the Black Rose from the story to focus only on the class issue because it reality, while it’s one of the most important plot-points that is set up in season 1, it doesn’t actually end up being very relevant in the second season. And I will say I was not expecting Vi becoming an enforcer to be so brushed-over. Like it’s understandable that with Caitlyn she might be a little more willing to do it for her, but I would’ve preferred to have seen Caitlyn step down from her position and become a rebel or have the plot point of Vi’s ideological shift at least be shown more openly beyond simple minor comments. And Caitlyn’s becoming a dictator was also unused because we never actually see her do anything besides talk to Maddie, train with Ambessa, and tackle Vi during her whole time in that position. I’m no excellent writer but I think one thing that has a tendency to come up constantly as an issue post plot set-up (or essentially just post season 1) is the idea of abandoning certain story beats or characters’ personalities due to lack of confidence in narrative direction or lack of time (ofc a lack of time is something that can’t be easily controlled, but I think that time constraints are a huge explanation as to why season 2’s plot didn’t feel fleshed out).

    • @crumbforducks
      @crumbforducks 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      Having Caitlyn step down from her position to rebel as a vigilante alongside Vi would’ve been so damn cool. Only if it wasn’t for the gameplay to make Vi an enforcer😭

    • @scottjohnson9799
      @scottjohnson9799 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      You're right about the Black Rose and Ambessa, both should have been cut or at least heavily trimmed. The Black Rose went absolutely nowhere, and it was too powerful a force to introduce. The Black Rose can do just about anything, anywhere, to anybody, at any time. And nothing made sense about Ambessa. Why did Piltover make Cait a dictator just because this foreign queen thumped her chest? Speaking of being a queen, doesn't she have a country to manage back home? One with particularly back-biting and ruthless politics? Is she really fine just leaving that place on autopilot for... time is vague in S2, it felt like a year maybe? And Piltover doesn't care that this foreign power has just rocked up with an army and inserted itself into the situation? And she recruited Maddie at... some point that can't easily be reconciled considering Maddie's actions. Heck, Ambessa was nothing BUT a series of twists that make sense in the moment, but render her previous actions into nonsense in light of this new context. That could be said for a lot of characters this season actually...

    • @LindyLime
      @LindyLime 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      It does seem like they didn't have confidence in their direction. It feels like they started and dropped about 100 different plot points without finishing them.

  • @sardonicus1739
    @sardonicus1739 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +21

    Ekko did gain new insight from episode 7. He realized through his interactions with alternate world Powder that Jinx wasn't beyond hope, and that it was her environment that shaped her into what she became, and not just something inherently wrong with her. It's what gave him reason to try to save her from ending her own life cause he saw "what could have been" and realized an extra level of depth in her that he did not previously see when he assumed Powder was just gone. It doesn't make sense for him to try to save her from ending it without episode 7 giving him the motivation to do it.

    • @fluffyclouden
      @fluffyclouden 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +11

      So true I agree with you but I also think that they should've spent way more time developing Ekko and Jinx's relationship in the universe we know instead of brushing over it like that, they had this super short scene where he was telling her not to off herself and that was it, and then they're now fighting alongside each other...? Didn't Jinx kill a bunch of the firelights?? Shouldn't they have had a longer conversation? Even with Ekko realizing that Jinx isn't beyond hope, there should still be some resentment

    • @bilgeakaln6335
      @bilgeakaln6335 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      I know but then the emotional investment that led them to team up and rally the undercity together happened off screen so they could do a marvel surprise save during battle. How satisfying

    • @Paralelartist
      @Paralelartist 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@fluffycloudento be honest, not even that, their relationship is abusive AF since season one, like, he's tricked her into a fight he knew he would win and then proceeded to hit a metal pipe on her head and punch tf out of her and then when she was afraid, he stopped and simped to her and she was feeling super bad and tried to off herself with a bomb, honestly, if that was a friend of mine telling that a guy did to her what ekko did to jinx, I would have taken her to press charges immediately after she left a hospital, that ain't love, it's just not being able to move on and being violent, and a lot of women suffer in real life because of the romantization of this type of behaviour

    • @Paralelartist
      @Paralelartist 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@fluffycloudenand also, putting the guy who beated her to near death and sexually assaulted his parallel self (by the reaction of his alternate self, the real owner of the a.u body, after he gets out of his body, he was unconscious of what happened and therefore unable to consent kisses or anything similar) and very likely her a.u version, considering that him telling her about who he actually is is more implied than shown, so he could kiss a version of her that is more like what he wanted, as her redemption is very disrespectful, independent of how "cool" they make it look like or how "deep" they make it look like

    • @RYGER1888
      @RYGER1888 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@bilgeakaln6335 ngl that was the worst part of episode 9 for me, I literally paused my screen, and said no way this is true. Aside from that pace, “that surprised” messed up the entire episode, the episode is messy by itself already too. People also just glaze over it for some reason.

  • @user-yq8se1yr7m
    @user-yq8se1yr7m วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    HOORAY what a Christmas present! FINALLY a common sense essay about this freakin season 2. Thank you man 🔥

    • @RoamingTrend
      @RoamingTrend  วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @eumefmeauh6193
    @eumefmeauh6193 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I am glad creators finally pay due attention to complete emptiness of Season 2 of Arcane! It appears people are blinded by Fortiche`s animation that bad that they tend to overlook mess of writing in the season!

  • @ShOwOba
    @ShOwOba วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    It hurts to agree with the topic, but man, do I agree heavily with this one...

  • @ducksociety3514
    @ducksociety3514 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Season 1 is a masterpiece, but season 2 honestly felt like a fever dream.

    • @RoamingTrend
      @RoamingTrend  วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I was so drained by episode 7 and then it bombarded me with so much nonsense.

  • @Avarn388
    @Avarn388 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    The only thing of value from Arcane second season, like most bad media, is seeing what to avoid. Especially with my own work. Looking forward to the video. :)

  • @ItsBenne
    @ItsBenne วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    im not that great with wording or planning out why I feel disapointed in somethings that is viewed good I liked season 2 but I was disapointed happy to see fellas like you put words into flaws and faults that exist and not just say its an s tier show you just bad stomach flu that why you feel it sucks
    great video loved it

    • @RoamingTrend
      @RoamingTrend  วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      Thanks! There is a lot to like about season 2, just not the writing sadly. ;(

    • @njabulosithole1795
      @njabulosithole1795 วันที่ผ่านมา

      "You just have bad stomach flu" 😭

  • @dmitrigherson5160
    @dmitrigherson5160 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    21:29 The flashback scene with Vander, Silco and Felicia was the breaking point for me. Until that moment I still had hope they'll be able to pull off some sort of a standoff between Piltover and Zaun (little did I know at that time Jinx's rebellion leader and Cait's martial law arcs will be abandoned as well). But seeing them drag through mud Vander's and Silco's characters from S1 just for a bit of cheap emotional manipulation...

  • @nyrlvr
    @nyrlvr วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Thank you for the video.

    • @RoamingTrend
      @RoamingTrend  วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Thanks for watching!

  • @Edo江戸江戸
    @Edo江戸江戸 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    I understand the people who liked it, but the extremely thin connections this season had to take the story forward simply did not stick to my brain. For example, Jinx all of a sudden becoming mentally stable from one episode to another because of baby yoda is way too big of a change in her character for the development to happen off-screen. Hell, even I, that isn't a professional writer know the golden rule of "show, don't tell".

  • @1unpaid_intern
    @1unpaid_intern วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    26:14 I'm also really confused about whether or not Viktor is the mage. On one hand his design does look incredibly similar to the mage from season 1 but on the other there are small differences between them and I just don't think the animators did that for nothing. For example both are hooded figures but their clothing is different. Mage Viktor also doesn't have the rune tatoos on his hands like the season 1 mage. But then it's framed like they're the same, like when Jayce first starts seeing the mage in the alternate timeline or when Viktor reveals himself and we see the shot of Jayce being give all these different runes.
    I remember back when season 1 came out people thought the mage might be another character from league (don't know who because I want to stay as far away from league as possible). I just don't know anymore

  • @hottrash6969
    @hottrash6969 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Arcane should've had 3 seasons. They squeezed everything in season 2, and it felt so rushed that they barely fleshed out anything. So much is happening in every episode.

  • @charlestonjew7587
    @charlestonjew7587 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Of all the misfires and misguided character arcs and plotlines in season 2, I found the 'Blisters and Bedrock' "revisionism" to be the most egregious. This fundamentally breaks the first act of season 1, probably my favorite story arc in the entire series.

    • @merlin5662
      @merlin5662 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I mean it's somewhat consistent with vander and silco talk in ep3 but it wasn't overt about it. But yea it did seem way too strange about it. However AU doesn't necessarily mean that the letter would've been the same as we seen in ep 5, it could've been similar but different

    • @charlestonjew7587
      @charlestonjew7587 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@merlin5662 What does the AU have to do with any of this? I'm talking about the MU recontextualizing Silco and Vander's relationship and their actions.
      As the video points out, if Vander in the prologue was the same Vander in the flashback, this 1) Makes Vander's actions less a decision he made and more of an obligation to a promise he made and 2) Vander would've made sure Vi and Powder were kept somewhere safe before the fighting broke out. Them wandering aimlessly in the middle of a battlefield, looking for their parents just doesn't make sense and Vander's expression when he sees them is not one of familiarity but of shock at the realization of people's lives and families destroyed by his uprising.
      I do not believe Vander's betrayal would've left Silco so ruthless as to actively try to kill Vi and Powder. They were Felicia's kids, not Vander's. Vander having raised them after Felicia's death does not change that fact.

    • @merlin5662
      @merlin5662 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @charlestonjew7587 the point I am making is that AU is different, we honestly don't know if a "letter" mended their relationship in that universe and it shouldn't really be used in context of the original universe.

    • @charlestonjew7587
      @charlestonjew7587 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@merlin5662 but the AU has nothing to do with my original comment. I was talking about episode 5, not 7. 7 is the furthest removed from anything and only serves to change Ekko's view of the MU so he can talk Jinx out of killing herself and also create the 'Z' drive I guess.

  • @oles40
    @oles40 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’d argue that episode 7 develops Ekko in the sense that he recieves his Z-drive and decides not to give up on Jinx. But it’s true that we didn’t get to see him struggle with the decision to leave the AU and the change in his relationship with Jinx is never properly explored.

  • @bilgeakaln6335
    @bilgeakaln6335 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    44:40 I love that. made me feel better about this whole thing just because my pain was addressed lol
    the drive that tears down mentions to build sheds

  • @leyserkagerou3731
    @leyserkagerou3731 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    Great video! I learned a lot from Arcane s2 about what not to do in my own writing, but you put a lot of what I was thinking into words in a way that I couldn’t.
    I’ve been watching another Netflix animated show, The Dragon Prince, that suffers from the opposite problem: Arcane tried to do too much with too little time, while The Dragon Prince did too little with too much time. While I’d love to see your take on that series… don’t waste your time on it unless you’re looking to make another video on writing betrayals, lol.

    • @kaigrace4071
      @kaigrace4071 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      I second this, I watched s7 a few days ago and I have to chime in too. For me I feel like the dragon prince had more than enough time to tell their story but the writers waisted it on the Sunfire elf plot line, humor and other unnecessary B plots. But the last episode leaves the story at an unsatisfactory ending and the fight with Aaravos was a let down.

  • @smxkeylight
    @smxkeylight วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    This is a really good video. I like season 2 but there’s so many issues that frustrate me, I wish we got something just a bit better man

  • @akaban1874
    @akaban1874 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    I can't find myself agreeing with your analysis of jinx at 18:00
    I don't think the season 1 finale was at all about "Powder being dead" and "embracing Jinx and the role of chaos" (though she hasn't stopped being chaotic). Instead I see it as her throwing out the entire question outright and growing as a result. Silco's last words to her after SHE shot HIM were, "Don't cry... You're perfect"... He didn't curse her, state his regrets, or lash out.
    Jinx heard those words and internalizes the fact that despite the lost and destructive mess that she see's herself as, there was someone who accepted her FOR WHO SHE IS NOW (caps for emphasis not angry). Who she is now is "Jinx" so she does sit in the Jinx chair but that doesn't mean that "Powder" is gone. Because Jinx and Powder ARE the same person and she isn't suddenly no longer feeling lost between the two parts of her. But what she does realize is her feeling lost and unsure doesn't mean that she can't move forward regardless, which she does by taking on major agency in the world she lives in and (in Silco's words) "Showing them all..." by firing upon the council. It's not about her choosing between Powder and Jinx... it's about her embracing who she is NOW.
    And then we see Jinx in season 2 EXACTLY where her character left off. She is STILL lost and unsure about who she is and what she feels she should be/do. She even starts wondering if there is even something LEFT for her to do (hence her trying to "past tense" herself multiple times throughout the season. But then she meets Isha and sees a reason for her to do things but then Isha dies (R.I.P). She bounces back and forth between roles/who she is and still can't seem to find it... Not as a revolutionary... Not as a loving older sister... etc... especially with the lack of guidance she knows she has (no more mentors for her to turn to).
    The point is: I don't see inconsistency in her character with the idea of her not committing to being an agent of chaos because I never saw that being within the intentions of the authors. I see her as someone who since the beginning of season 1 has been trying to save herself from feeling lost and has brought about chaos upon others in the process

    • @mitzee8621
      @mitzee8621 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Even taking your interpretation, the writing would be inconsistent. You say the end of S1 was in part about Jing embracing who she is, and then go on to say S2 starts with her being lost and unsure who she is. That seems like a clear regression to me even in your interpretation of the story.
      The problem is worsened by my own interpretation of S1's ending where it did seem clear to me that Jinx was ridding herself of Powder (or ridding herself of Powder's insecurities and doubts) and seemingly transitioning into an antagonist. But then S2 comes along and undoes all of that.

    • @lockekappa500
      @lockekappa500 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@mitzee8621 I mean all of that is just your interpretation of where the S1 ending was bringing Jinx's character. There were many options. Honestly if you knew Jinx in League you knew she was never going to be the ultimate villain in this show.

    • @rotwang2000
      @rotwang2000 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@mitzee8621 Funny that in a series where every character is strongly nuanced with a wide range of characteristics, for good and bad, that one character should be pinned down into one specific direction. She is very close to being an antagonist, but she's not set up that way, not with so much doubt and trauma that points to something more. In a more traditional story that trauma usually becomes a superpower and she becomes the agent of chaos, leader of the rebellion indeed. But Arcane's writing is "realistic" in that it emulates how real life happens, unscripted, unsupervised and people mostly move through their life taking whatever turn seems best to them. Every step along the way screams "problem", Savika repeatedly tells Silco that Jinx is not playing with a full deck. You see it when she's supposed to defend a shipment and her brain almost fries. You see it in her body language, in her mood swings, in the way she talks with Vi, both looking for an identity while destroying part of herself.
      The only thing missing is a giant sign flashing pointing to Powder/Jinx "This girl isn't feeling right after all she went through."
      It's not about rebellion, it's about a search for identity and dealing with trauma. Vi's mistake is thinking she can undo the changes that happened to Powder, Cait mistakenly believes that your past is inescapable and will continue to define you no matter what you do in the future. Silco thinks she's become perfect when she's clearly anything but.
      Savika knows Jinx is wrong in the head, and still tries to push her in a certain direction because she doesn't understand that she herself is the smartest, most aware of the bunch and has done all the footwork to save Zaun. That's why we see her grudgingly become part of the council. She's not a thug, she's awesome, loyal, strong, smart, and level-headed. Yes she makes mistakes, but that's what Arcane does all the time, it's messy, never straight and characters have to learn from that.
      If Arcane has one central protagonist, it's Powder and how she goes through many things before Ekko reaches out to her and says, your life is now, it's not the past, it's who you want to be, it's about team us, right now. That's why Vi fails to reach out because she believes she can remove all the changes that happened after the slap by reaching out to her. That's why she fails. Hell, road, good intentions ...

    • @TwinklingMysticShot
      @TwinklingMysticShot 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Agree to disagree with you there

    • @mitzee8621
      @mitzee8621 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@rotwang2000 Firstly, please don't accuse me of trying to remove the nuance from Jinx's character by trying to pin her into a archetypal antagonist role. That's plain dishonest, there are nuances to these things.
      As far as your description of Jinx's character throughout S1, I think you're dead on. Jinx is indeed unstable and looking for an identity. The largest problem I have with the writing of S2 is that it takes place after Jinx explicitly finds/accepts that identity, but immediately undoes that decision. S2 should have been about Jinx not Powder*.
      The reason I hate S2 despite it being decent overall, is because it doesn't continue the stories of the characters I have grown to love. It is more interested in trying to fit the realistic characters S1 set up into a very narrow mould that allows the plot to happen as they want. S2 doesn't have realistic writing, S1 has the most realistic writing I have seen in a show.
      *Jinx/Powder's part of the story at least.

  • @ArthurTactical
    @ArthurTactical วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    6:20 you didn't take into account that the characters in this series are changing, Cait, Vi, Jinx. They changed a lot, and with purpose, not out of nothing, each of them with their own meaning. Cait, up to the S2 point would have not lost her mother, And jinx, would have not got Isha to change her, to finally have a sister, Vi on that point would be looking for a way to be involved, cause there was no one else better to deal with jinx, other than her.

    • @RoamingTrend
      @RoamingTrend  วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      Change can also be done well. Not in this case. The motivations are there (kind of) but the execution was misguided.

  • @haitas8501
    @haitas8501 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Great video! You really shed some light to my issues with this season and more I hadnt activley realized. I still enjoyed the season though. Too invested in these characters to admit the enormous gap of quality between the seasons :')

    • @RoamingTrend
      @RoamingTrend  6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @Bokmoh
    @Bokmoh วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Damn. Yea, ive been torn about s2 for a while now. I noticed many of the pitfalls you did, but the one boit Silco and loyalty and the act 3 s1 finale... my goodness. They really did break this story 😢

  • @retuxerodriguez7510
    @retuxerodriguez7510 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    After watching S2 something felt odd, the show looked good but it lacked something that the other season had. For example I loved episode 7 but important events were happening on the main timeline, it felt like filler, it was filler. Now that you made this video I realized that many of those "ticks" were just bad writing kek

  • @Rachel-wy8ku
    @Rachel-wy8ku 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

    YES! Except for the part about ep 7 though, I'll defend it to my dying day lol. That episode really felt to me like an encouragement to Ekko, proof that Zaun could be made a better place, proof that people werent born evil. His arc wasnt fleshed out enough to really take advantage of the setting though,100℅ agree.
    I do see what youre saying about the time cost - as much as I love it, i definitely would have preferred a true talk/argument between Jinx and Vi about the various war crimes they committed lol.

    • @FairyBogFather
      @FairyBogFather 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      I found Arcane season 2 borderline unwatchable with the bizarre writing decisions, but Episode 7 was so beautiful. It almost feels like it belongs to a different season altogether.

  • @Sleawzor
    @Sleawzor วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    Sorry, not to be the kind of 'you just don't understand' commenter, but... I really think there's some things you're straight up wrong about. For example, the kiss was overtly intended to be complicated, two characters trying to lie to themselves about what was really happening (Caitlyn going down a dark path) - Amanda even talked about this in an interview. You deride it as if it was meant to be fanservice and we were meant to feel good about it, and us feeling conflicted about it is somehow a writing flaw rather than the exact intended experience. And I feel like you're doing this for the rest, too? You're acting like characters becoming inverted versions of themselves, to a degree, is a writing flaw rather than an extremely purposeful choice that the writers already talked about in interviews years ago. Establishing characters *and then putting them in situations that push them to go against their established values* is an extremely common way of exploring characters more deeply. Viktor becoming detached from humanity as a result of the Hexcore, Caitlyn learning how easy it is to turn to violence as a result of grief and anger, Jinx actually having to question her role as a 'jinx' as a result of finding Isha and being seen as a hero, they're all examples of characters becoming mirrors of their previous selves as a means of exploring and evolving them. Even if you feel the execution wasn't up to snuff, the idea that these storylines are inherently ridiculous because 'these characters would never do this' feels like a total misunderstanding of what the writing in season 2 is actually doing.

    • @ryankim1388
      @ryankim1388 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      I don’t think he was saying that you can’t have characters become inverted versions of themselves. If you do it though, you need to crate a justification in the story for why that character would go through a dramatic change. It really feels like in season 2 the motivations and thoughts of characters were unclear, causing dramatic character changes to feel clunky. For example, you can have jinx go through a redemption arc where she becomes powder again, but you have to do so in a way that makes sense. In season 2 jinx basically keeps showing signs that powder is still inside her, even though the season 1 finale’s whole point was that she had gone off the deep end. There are no consequences for jinx’s crimes, she isn’t confronted by anyone to atone for what she did, she resolves her conflict with vi because daddy came back. Jinx acted out of character. If the writers wanted to redeem her she should have had been confronted about who she has become and shown to slowly progress back to become powder. She makes a dramatic shift from bad to good in a very short period of time, seemingly just because she had to be nice to a random little girl. And I know it’s supposed to be some kind of parallel between her and silco, but if that was the point they were trying to go with it doesn’t make sense for jinx to lose isha and then have her character progression reversed. Maybe jinx’s redemption should have been her sacrificing herself for isha or something. Not sure what a better way to write jinx would be, but the way they did it doesn’t really work.

    • @OJorEm
      @OJorEm วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@ryankim1388 THANK YOU. So that's why I felt like the characters kept flip-flopping in this show. You put it into words for me

    • @lockekappa500
      @lockekappa500 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@ryankim1388 I mean they're only unclear to people who felt like a character is inherently only one thing.
      I'll hate to say it, but EVERY time I see an analysis like this, I go into their backlog of videos, and its ALWAYS full of anime analysis. I'll let you connect the dots.

    • @ryankim1388
      @ryankim1388 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @ uh huh… “you watch anime therefore your opinion is invalid and the criticism you put forth is mute”

    • @Eclipsedcassowary
      @Eclipsedcassowary วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ryankim1388
      I thought it had been kinda obvious that Isha is a clear parallel to Powder. That’s why Jinx cares for her and acts more Powder like. She identifies with her and that’s why she protects her.
      Jinx also didnt want to be a hero. The clip he used was taken way out of context. That wasn’t a declaration of her incredible morals, it was a sarcastic jab at Vi.
      While I agree with a lot of this video, I feel like an overarching problem with this video is how they vaguely summarize point A and B with out acknowledging how the characters themselves react, and actually get from point A to point B. They don’t even mention that Vi DOES reject the badge at first, and she only takes it on out of the guilt that she is in someway allowing Jinx to keep doing this.
      All of her “out of character actions” are clearly driven by this complex guilt of abandoning powder, allowing her to become jinx, and then failing to convince her to stop, leading to her killing the council and many others. She refuses the badge and then the funeral is raided and many people die. She feels a sort of guilt for that as well.
      I felt they did a great job showing that she was devestated and desperate. The only out of character thing for me was how she reacted to Cait taking a shot at Jinx while a kid was nearby, as is basically the same scenario as Jayce killing the kid but she’s reacting in the opposite way.

  • @ivymarimo1631
    @ivymarimo1631 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Really good analysis

  • @asgo7320
    @asgo7320 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Vi is in love with Caitlyn. People do stupid things when they're in love. It's very human. Also, Christian Linke said that the characters will be a little bit of their opposites in s2. So we knew that would happen.

  • @madpostman
    @madpostman วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I mean, Ekko did build the Z Drive in the alternate dimension, which saved the day at the end. His time there also gave him hope again that his Zaun could have a better future, and by extension, Powder/Jinx could have a better future. That gave him the strength to keep fighting for both in the last episode.

    • @RoamingTrend
      @RoamingTrend  วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Why does he need to be in a different dimension to build the Z Drive? He already had hope and will to fight for a better Zaun. He was building a commune and everything.

    • @madpostman
      @madpostman 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@RoamingTrend If Ekko had remained in his original universe, he wouldn’t have had the need or desire to build the Z-Drive. The only reason he pursued its creation in the alternate universe was to recreate the Anomaly and find a way back to his original universe. His ability to travel back in time was merely a byproduct of that effort, given the connection between time and space.
      Ekko was focused on building a community around the tree for the Firelights-the people he trusts-but not for the entirety of the undercity. He had lost hope that Zaun could ever come together as a united, singular city. And who could blame him? With Silco and the chembarons flooding Zaun with shimmer and Jinx, along with chembaron thugs, killing his friends, the odds seemed insurmountable. Let’s not even mention trying to obtain respect from Piltover to the point Zaun is officially considered their sister city.
      However, seeing a united Zaun and Piltover in the alternate universe showed him that such a future was possible. That experience gave him the hope he needed to fight for that dream at the end.

  • @dcapitan7
    @dcapitan7 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    This was a brutal review, but I must admit you raise some valid points. Five observations...
    1. If I recall correctly, Viktor was tied to one universe. He could not see into alternate timelines. That is why he did not forsee Ekko's attack.
    2. Episode 7 of Season 2 was not a waste of time. I believe it was the best episode of the season. Ekko learned not to give up on people and to not let go of his dream of a peaceful Zaun. That change in mentality helped him save Jinx.
    3. If you freeze-frame both the scene where Jayce killed Salo and where he met Viktor's "acolytes" at various points, you will see why Jayce was skittish.
    4. Heimerdinger very likely played a big role in AU Zaun being in much better shape than "mainline" Zaun. He was sent three years in the past in the AU. Likely the most-esteemed member on the Council in the AU, he learned from his past mistakes and had the council take steps to improve conditions in Zaun.
    5. Love makes people do strange, out-of-character things. It was out of love for Isha that Jinx no longer wanted to be Jinx. It was out of love for Caitlyn that Vi actually became a Piltover enforcer. It was out of love for her mom that Caitlyn sought vengeance for her death. It was out of love for Powder...albeit AU Powder...that Ekko sought to help and eventually ally with Jinx.
    Other than that, while both the animation and the soundtrack were top-notch and the easter eggs were intriguing, I concede that the writing in S2 has some issues. I enjoyed the series as a whole but noticed flaws in its second season.

  • @john52933
    @john52933 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I thought your video was going to be regurgitating the same old talking points but the points about Warwick affecting the story and the character’s actions was really interesting.

  • @michaelcarlson1208
    @michaelcarlson1208 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I think what is interesting to me about Arcane is either people love it and say it's good story telling or people saying it was bad, specifically season 2. I do think no matter what, media is subjective at the end of the day. But it is interesting to think about, can media have a general concensus of overall opinion, whether good or bad? I would say no because there's always outliers. I personally enjoyed Arcane season 2 up to episode 7. I personally didn't like the last two episodes, probably and mostly just last one as I found the ending distasteful for numerous reasons. But that's just my opinion.
    Good video though.
    P.s. this also is good argument for the saying of "Show, don't tell." I personally do think Arcane does a lot of thought and I personally think thats a good thing. But it can be hard to balance and at what scale does it become to insulting? Some argue as you have said, use your brain and infer things and I do think that's valid. But I can see in some things, sometimes story needs more fleshing out and dialogue. But again some say that isn't good. It would be interesting to hear your takes on some of these bigger media thoughts such as subjectivity, general consensus and show don't tell, done well vs not done well

  • @adnnebs
    @adnnebs 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    the flashback of vander and Silco promising to protect the girl is a big Retcon, Silco was about to stab Powder when he first found her... This season 2 is a big let down. Like why make a Galio Like Warwick?? Isha blew up his face, that was the best oppotunity to make singed inject him with more murk wolf DNA to have his head grow back as the werewolf we always knew and loved from the game.

  • @eadbert1935
    @eadbert1935 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    i have a few things to say/ask:
    how is "jayce becomes mad, and then he doesn't" a valid point?
    he was shown to "look" mad after coming out of the arcane, but it was pretty obvious he'll probably have a reason for it... and he did? so when was the problem?
    also the "what did ambessa do, that caitlyn wasn't already doing?" wasn't the implication here that caitlyn did everything due to ambessa? i will agree that that is bad as well because it goes on too much in between scenes, but that complaint you guys made was just hating because you were in the flow of it.
    also, the victor problem: this needed like a whole episode more to explain, but what you can easily gather from it is:
    when (not if) hextech is discovered, it will lead to the arcane, leading to the glorious evolution. Now if victor leads it, jayce is able to stop him.
    what is missing: if someone else does it, it can't be stopped (or not by a way victor can see), so he has to make sure jayce is the one to get victor into hextech.
    you can see in the alternate ekko/heimer timeline, that hextech wasn't discovered, but in the end, powder will discover it herself.
    but yeah, i also didn't like that twist, i have to admit that.
    the whole "jinx leading the revolution" thing... ever heard of a symbol?
    it was clearly shown that (some) people on the ground loved her because she was a symbol. The symbol was accidentally created by the enforcers by hanging her face everywhere. As long as all the enforcers care about is something they fail to do (for weeks probably, time was always an issue in most shows), this shows that apparently, the enforcers are weak and can be beaten.
    And the whole "uniting behind someone hiding" point is pretty flat, considering how many years it takes to take out most revolutionary/terrorist leaders (which, to the one being revolted against, is the same thing), because no one can find them.
    holy shit, yes, the whole splinter cell crew sucked, but not understanding maddie is pretty actively trying to look away. they gave her so few scenes, showing a few character motivations of her in a short time, and then went on to do other stuff... sorry, but if you don't even look at the screen that's your problem.
    I generally agree with a lot of what you were saying, but some of your points are so egregiously wrong i had to give this reply...

  • @julietamargenet530
    @julietamargenet530 22 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    I felt the exact same thing you did when watching the climax -- that is, nothing at all. It looked spectacular, but none of it felt earned. I do believe the writers had stated that every character would become the opposite of who they were in season 1, which in theory makes no sense, but after season 1 I had faith that they could make it work. Some of it made sense, but most of it got lost along the way. The biggest problems were sacrificing the grounded, character-driven story for a cosmic-level plot AND compressing it into a single season rather than taking the time each character and situation needed to develop.

  • @Planeto-l4r777
    @Planeto-l4r777 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    I liked the video 👍

  • @chrisadams1438
    @chrisadams1438 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    ok I usually wait until I've seen a video the whole way through before dropping a like but Donger saying "Maybe Arcane was the friends we made along the way" got me 3 minutes in

  • @adelanjani7806
    @adelanjani7806 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    If a show was perfect but it must take 6 years to perfection, then you must still take another 6 years if you want to continue and maintain the perfection

  • @renarddubois940
    @renarddubois940 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    even tho I agree with everything you said, I think the biggest betrayal is how they treat non-human representation..
    No Twitch : He dies episode 1 and doesn't end up surviving the mutation in that canon
    No Warwick : ... I refuse
    No Ziggs : we got the mute girl instead, I don't see why Jinx didn't get her own useless Yordle friend, that would have been one more parallel between her and Echo
    No Alistar : why isn't he part of the resistance against Noxus? they oppressed the zaunites for at least 2 months, that should have been plenty of time for him to come and see what he could do or help organize the resistance..
    Scar is supposed to be a chirean but instead he's just a recolor of a human with Chirean ears
    Heimerdinger has been massively humanized and he's completely useless despite getting the "Linke's Favorite character" privilege, like seriously, imagine if he wasn't his favorite character, ow wait you don't need to imagine because we know already, just like the characters above, he wouldn't even exist or would be made into a human recolor..
    we have a total snout screentime of 14 seconds in the whole run (I refuse to count Smeech)
    Talking about Smeech, I guess he's fine but I would be much more tolerant about him being that kind of character and having that role if he wasn't the only legit non-human character in the show.
    and it's not even just the furries, Blitzcrank and Zac don't exist..
    did I forget anyone?
    It's like they didn't want to pollute their serious adult DEI story with "funny animals" or something and it pisses me off so much..
    did you hear their "justification" for making Warwick ugly?
    that's absolutely maddening!

  • @def3ndr887
    @def3ndr887 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    It goes to show how well of a job they did in s1 in order to have us see it to the end, now I deem s1 as legitimate and s2 never existing.

  • @LeylaSKDR
    @LeylaSKDR 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I felt more watching your outro than during all ep9

  • @anonymussicarius8899
    @anonymussicarius8899 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Vi becoming an enfrocer can be atributed to the fact that Vi is in LoL Caitlyn's right hand. But then again, Season 1 already had it's leway with the game lore, and some game lore was changed before the Season, so that´s no excuse for making a character that has 999 reasons for at least disliking the enforcer-corps an enforcer without a previous development arc. Vi becoming an enforcer would have fit with as Season ending, with a well writen lead up ofc.

    • @RoamingTrend
      @RoamingTrend  วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      She doesn't need to be one. She could've helped Caitlyn as just a civilian.

    • @anonymussicarius8899
      @anonymussicarius8899 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@RoamingTrend I agree. I was just making a guess why the writers may have thought that Vi needed to become an enforcer = lore reason, despite the fact that the show had already so many leeways with the lore, that Vi not becoming an enforcer would have been not only no problem, but perfectly in-character for her. Though I am of the opinion, that with a differntly writen Season 2, it would have been still be possible for the show-Vi to willingly become sheriff Caitlyns right hand, like it is in the lore (let´s say Vi is the chief of the newly founded Zaun lawenforcement). The big problem with Vi becoming an enforcer is the lore change from Zaun beeing the sinister twin city to the glorious splendour of Piltover, to them being just two city-sides split by a river.
      Edit: Anyway, merry Christmas and a good new year, Mr. alien robot-fox! :)

  • @ВладаМалецкая-и2л
    @ВладаМалецкая-и2л วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The ending... I felt that

  • @szushycats
    @szushycats วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I am gonna be honest, the way you experienced the story and how you think the writing is becuz of that is valid. I get why you are angry.
    On the other hand I just rewatched season 1 for fun and breakdown stopping around, making screenshots… The amount of dialogue, acting cues and or visual references to season 2 events is ridiculous.
    I think the pacing did get f-ed by them cutting so many things and cramming more events in, speeding up moments that should have emotionally sink in but I don’t think any of the characters really betrayed themselves at any point.

  • @TheExitStrategy
    @TheExitStrategy 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Its the same writers. Vi was always going to end up being an enforcer. Even in season one, for all the hate and wanting to fight Piltover, she ends up fighting the undercity WITH Piltover. Thats because Vi never had any interest in building a nation of Zaun or becoming Vander. She is a reactionary figure, just like Jayce. This show was never about the events taking place around the characters, its about the characters wrapped up in the events. I am not sure we even watched the same show at this point.

  • @ToppledTurtle834
    @ToppledTurtle834 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I still have not heard anybody be annoyed by this lag of scientists who can do hextech thing. Liek sure, Einstein was really smart to come up with the theory of relativity and it is difficult to come up with that stuff. But he wrote that shit down, I can just go and read his paper and learn all about it. Jayce and Victor wrote all that hextech shit down too, just read their notes!!

  • @Paladiea
    @Paladiea 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    15:03 Mel never really cared about Salo per se, she cared about mitigating any inroads to power her mother was making, so I think it's unfair of you to say she suddenly stopped caring about Salo when it was never about Salo for her.

    • @RoamingTrend
      @RoamingTrend  21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      My problems is that it didn't go anywhere. She got sidetracked by black rose. Which makes me wonder what what the whole point of the Salo plotline

    • @Paladiea
      @Paladiea 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@RoamingTrend I completely agree with you on that part, it really felt like they were just shoving her story to the side because she'll be in a spinoff.
      That being said, the reason she was going after Salo was because Lest said that Ambessa was going to name him the general, but she got kidnapped before she could object to that. It turned out to be moot anyway since that was never Ambessa's real plan to begin with.
      MY issue with that is that Mel SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT, knowing her mother and being as keen and observant as she is. I however feel like it can be explained by her being thrown off her game by the presence of her very intimidating mother.

  • @blackbird8192
    @blackbird8192 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    really good vid, you pointed out a lot of stuff that i noticed too or just kind of "felt" while watching. And what they have could've worked well (more or less), but it's like we're seeing just the pivotal points of a much better show than S2 actually was. For example if i "imagine" jinx doing more stuff, committing more attacks against Piltover than we see, mabe between S1 and S2, then people seeing her as a revolutionary would make more sense, the problem is we don't get to see any of that. And the same can be said for many of the things you mentioned too. In principle the ideas could've worked, but the execution was just far too rushed. Tho some things like Vi being ok with gassing Zaun or Viktor becoming a mage probly should've been scraped

  • @kemi_smith
    @kemi_smith 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    The only point I disagree with is your point of them forcing Jinx into being a leader of a revolution. The whole point of that piece was that she *wasn't* any of that. She didn’t show up to any of the rallies, didn’t liberate them in any way, didn’t show them hope, and when she busted them out of Stillwater, she was really just there for Isha. Really, Isha led the revolution more than Jinx did. Jinx is just seen as such in-universe, by Zaunites, because without any context, a Zaunite blowing up the council building & symbol of oppression seems like a revolutionary act. The narrative isn't framing her as such, though.

  • @-keanetan
    @-keanetan วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    25:25 is this where roxy the rock is? I searched her up online and all I got was a regular show character
    anyway great video, I watched it all in one setting and I hope more people can acknowledge the stuff they enjoy can be flawed

    • @RoamingTrend
      @RoamingTrend  วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Roxy the Rock is a Discord lore character, but yes. Congrats!

    • @-keanetan
      @-keanetan วันที่ผ่านมา

      Cool, im honoured to be the first to find them!

  • @malohn2068
    @malohn2068 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    The story failed the moment Mel didn't die in the explosion.
    Had she died we could've had a Jayce being pissed off, taking the mantle that Caitlyn did and Viktor would be the one opposing it after he healed, he leaves for zaun and becomes the machine herald. War breaks out and zaun has casualties and amputee. Viktor introduces his machines to zaun and we wouldn't even have the black rose subplot. So this leaves us with
    Vi, Caitlyn, Warwick and Jinx plot
    Jayce vs Viktor and the
    Civil war

  • @c0host-m3p
    @c0host-m3p วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Brutal. Deserved

  • @czar6203
    @czar6203 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Ok yeah those are legit criticism. Still, the reason people still liked it despite those bullsh*t's because they bullshit it SO GOOD most people didn't even noticed it. I didn't notice it. I just watched and consume all the chaos and smile.

    • @RoamingTrend
      @RoamingTrend  วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      There is a lot to like. It's mainly the writing that's the problem. Season 1 done both well.

  • @taco_belch
    @taco_belch 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    comparing vi to batman is wild.
    changes in character is called growth. those aspects make the world believable. youre basically saying you want characters to be written without depth, as one-dimensional, rigid ideas locked in time.
    i mean if that's your preference, thats fine, the show wasnt written for you.

    • @RoamingTrend
      @RoamingTrend  22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +9

      So, how did Vi grow besides just putting on a uniform? I don't know if your definition of character growth is the same as mine. Typically, characters change because they grow, and by that, I mean when something happens to them that helps them learn and refine themselves, maybe reassess themselves or see flaws in their prior views.
      Also, I recommend not using strawman arguments. I don't think I ever said I don't want characters to change, in fact I said the opposite and even gave them a chance to do something with it, but they wasted that opportunity.

    • @taco_belch
      @taco_belch 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@RoamingTrend how did Batman grow or change beyond his childhood trauma?
      I don't know the lore very specifically, but I do know that Batman works because hes written in a very specific ways. there are rules and guidelines for his stories, from the exposure Ive had it seems pretty formulaic and straightforward. not a lot of thinking required of the audience. and those formulas make sense, probably because the character has been around for so long, been written by so many people, in various mediums. Batman isn't meant to be a normal everyday person. he's above and beyond, he always wins.
      and it's fair to like him better as a character, or like that writing style better. or maybe you, like most of society, is not used to women characters being written so well. if you don't get the growth, maybe you never will.
      I'm not upset about the difference of opinion, just thought it was a wild comparison.

  • @wintersoldier164
    @wintersoldier164 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    i think Maddie betrayal should have been in ep 3. Make her the dictator, make her the jofferey of arcane

  • @ShadowKitty7908
    @ShadowKitty7908 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I remember reading somewhere that one of the directors noted that they wanted to make each character in season 2 the exact opposite of their season 1 counterparts. On paper that sounds interesting. But non of the characters ever naturally progress to change their world view. Nor in a way that makes sense.

    • @RoamingTrend
      @RoamingTrend  วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      That makes sense. "Remember that thing that worked? Let's do the complete opposite." Why?

  • @filipkurdynowski2690
    @filipkurdynowski2690 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think you are wrong about viktor being able to travel between universes. While watching the show, I did not notice any emphasis on the fact that he was the mage that saved jayce, those looked more like just some jayces flashbacks, and i think you kind of made it up.
    If we look at it from the angle of Viktor not knowing about the multiverse everything starts making at least a litle bit of sense.
    Viktor cant travel to the real universe to stop the bad ending. He doesnt help jayce "get out of the hole" cause he perhaps just doesnt know hes there (xD) and when he sees jayce then he realizes that multiverse exists. At this point idk why wouldnt he come back to the real universe with jayce to fix it (or go through all the universes and fix them), maybe he just doesnt care about it since the alt universe from our perspective is Viktors real one (but then why would we give a fuck about jayces real universe, lets just pick the ep7 one and watch it instead).
    Anyway, the amount of mental gimnastics you must do, just for it to barely make sense is stupid, and very telling on how much "well thought out" and deep this season is.
    Great video besides that, love your analysis.

    • @blacktigerpaw1
      @blacktigerpaw1 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Not to mention he never allowed the multiverses to operate on their own variables; he tweaked each one to be the exact same.

  • @TheExitStrategy
    @TheExitStrategy 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Oh, and why do people keep thinking that Vander didn't originally know who Vi and Powder were in the opening of episode one? Vi literally goes up to him with just an inquisitive look (because SHE KNOWS HIM) and he instantly knows who they are, who there parents are and where her parents are (dead and on the ground). Their parents knew him enough to fight and die for his cause.

  • @michaelcarlson1208
    @michaelcarlson1208 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Looking back at this now, I think season 1 is goated. But season 2 is almost a masterpiece with a messy ending... There's lots of issues but to keep it simple for comments, the main two issues are pacing & sacrificing their complex, nuanced, and intricate characters for trying to expand the world to quickly.
    I've seen some people mention, when we get away from Jinx, Vi, Caitlyn, Piltover vs. Zaun and into the world building, some people got lost in the sauce which I think is valid.(That's coming from someone who already knew the characters, lore, universe, etc. I could understand if casual audience got lost at some point) In the making of the show (Bridging The Rift), the creators talk about how their original draft was very plot driven, not character driven. People are invested into Vi, Jinx, Caitlyn, Ekko Jayce, etc. Piltover and Zaun. Their hardships, downfalls, relationships, etc. In the span of the last 3 episodes or just act, we go from character driven into all powerful mage trying to annihilate the world, Jayce getting powers basically through the hammer, Mel becomes a powerful mage, generic super army, Mel betrays the Black Rose so people at least at this point wouldn't learn more about them, their goals, etc. I could go on but in simplicity I thought a lot of stakes were lost. Ambessa and Noxus should've been the ultimate and main antagonist of this series ending.
    I am personally underwhelmed by her character, knowing Noxus and Noxians. While she did take on Mel who's now a powerful mage and Cait who has fighting training now, I found her weak. Noxus and Ambessa as a whole should've been the main antagonist of this whole season, culminating in a final battle involving Vi, Jinx, and whomever else. I guess I would say just more action scenes, even though ironically I think just more screen time. But if it's just action, we got her using her blades ONCE? Again maybe it's just me, but very disappointed in her as a character from the writers. That also includes, she wanted to use Viktor to defeat the black rose but is she really that dumb to not realize what Viktor’s plan is…? If anything, that just makes her naive and believe Ambessa is far from naive, even with her runes, I don't think she defeats Viktors minions.
    Luckily everything is subjective, but their end choice for the sisters did make me sad and I felt like it was an unsatisfying ending for them. Jinx and Vi have been through so much trauma, they deserved a happier ending together as sisters. (I know Jinx lives and escaped through the tunnels, and flew off in the blimp)
    I don't find it as egregious as D&D /Game of Thrones. General consensus is that D&D just wanted to be done with GOT, so they just rushed the last season to teleport everybody, everywhere. And characters made choices that didn't make sense or give them time to get to their final journey. With Arcane, I think Riot Games needed to give the writers either another season to flesh out the story and ending they wanted to tell, or AT least should've increased the run-time for the last act to give them more runway. I mean the Ekko episode is amazing and he is the mvp, but the last two episodes almost ruined the whole series for me.
    In the end, I think Arcane as a whole is a Masterpiece with a messy ending.
    According to good old internet, which is always a reliable source lol. In the year of 2024 so far, Riot Games has generated 2.5 billion dollars. While I don't blame the business for not wanting to sink more money into the show, they mentioned in their documentary (Bridging The Rift) they don't want to half a** anything, and if it's not good, they won't launch it(not just the show, just general mindset) Now luckily entertainment is subjective. I only WISH they gave them more time to flesh it out, as for me, I felt it disappointing and unsatisfied, mostly just because I think they focused on expanding too quickly in literally 2 episodes, instead of focusing on the characters and intimate, complex and nuanced relationships.

  • @Plotbunnyhunter
    @Plotbunnyhunter วันที่ผ่านมา

    okay but the "new batch of writers" largely did a good job following up on s1, the last four episodes were written only by Christian Linke, Alex Yee and Amanda Overton.

  • @blindsaint07
    @blindsaint07 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It's such a downgrade from s1. I don't see the characters that do what their characters would really do. So it feels consistent.
    No, now the plot DEMANDS the action, and everyone acts like a bunch of idiots.

  • @victordaniels600
    @victordaniels600 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I feel like this season was rushed because they had so many constraints
    - they had to get the characters to resemble what they look like in the game
    - the animation production was so high quality but at the detriment of shorter overall runtimes & very long production time
    - riot had announced that going forward they’ll make arcane canon meaning it couldn’t be its own self contained narrative where anything could happen
    - the production process was headed by writers that were relatively new to the whole process of tv production which is why they kind of overspent their budget
    There’s more I could mention!
    I can’t help but fantasize about what if fortice studios (animators of arcane) with their animation budget were given to a producer/director from a Japanese studio where they’re hyper efficient with their budget because they pump out so so much media (at the cost of their animators well being lol) but still often deliver amazing animation
    Imagine if 40% of the runtime was decent animation 7/10 and then during key scenes they really went for it 10/10 or even 11
    They production time would have reduced & we could’ve gotten more time & more episodes

  • @bilgeakaln6335
    @bilgeakaln6335 วันที่ผ่านมา

    omg I didnt watch the vid yet but the Cesar and Brutus joke at the thumbnail I JUST HAD TO LEAVE A COMMENT 😆
    44:40 I love that. made me feel better about this whole thing just because my pain was addressed lol
    the drive that tears down mentions to build sheds
    Also, did the writers for season 2 really change?

  • @IzemWestan-k1g
    @IzemWestan-k1g วันที่ผ่านมา

    Boy oh boy! Time to relive the pain again!
    Also, the roaming den will have new blood join us.

  • @Tze52
    @Tze52 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I mean. When Vi fell in love with Caitlyn and when caitlyn had a similar traumatic experience losing her mother to Jinx which is what caused her to spiral in revenge...that's the justification for why Vi was ultimately convinced to help Caitlyn and join the enforcers alongside Maddie's proclaiming Caitlyn's praise OF Vi. Caitlyn also left Vi because Vi literally told her to shoot Jinx no matter what but then comes in defending her...again...Or how Caitlyn is no longer trying to help Zaun initially because of Jinx's attack, but also the fact that they attacked a memorial of those who died...I do think maybe there is a bit of a disconnect between Season 1 and 2. But after Silco died, the nation of Zaun dream lived only through Sevika. The pace change is something of note but perhaps only noticeable when watching them back to back without a 3 year break...

    • @lockekappa500
      @lockekappa500 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's hilarious how he in almost the same minute 6:30 acts as if Caitlyn changing her characterization because of the death of a parent is so completely out of character (interesting how he goes out of his way to not mention this is why she has a change in perspective), and then acts as if the defining moment of Vi never being able to be an enforcer because of the death of a parent is something that is such a strong character moment. Like how do you not see how those parallels are being drawn and yet he still acts as if one of those is strong character writing, and the other isn't is beyond me.
      These are the same people who will have a favorite character and demonize the opposing character for going through the same story beats.

  • @HAMEEREMOR
    @HAMEEREMOR วันที่ผ่านมา +1

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