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What makes the relationships so great in Arcane is the way they fight and diverge. It's realistic. In the LoL canon, Vi and Jinx and Jayce and Viktor _hate_ each other. But the reason they hate each other is because they were so close and the fallouts are happening little by little, death by 1000 cuts. Jinx does something horrible but Vi still tries to save her because they're sisters. But we know eventually they'll be that one action that leaves irreparable damage and we see that with the introduction of Cait into Vi's life and we are starting to see that with Jayce and Viktor's ideology becoming completely the opposite of each other.
With Vi and Jinx, I really hope they do what is good for the story rather than force the story to conform to the game. Considering how incredibly popular Arcane is, I wouldn't be surprised if the game eventually conforms to the show
@@samfisher6606 They actually did start with the end. They have known Vi & Jinx's final scene since the start. My point is I don't want the ending to feel artificial b/c they had to end them in a certain place to satisfy random lore from a video game. If the story naturally leads to them hating each other again, then that's fine. If it's naturally a story of forgiveness and reconciliation, then screw the video game and give me that.
I don’t like that they declared this “canon”. Because that suggests it needs to lead to the game, which quite frankly, I don’t want it to. They’ve already set up this reconciliation with each other, and even if they’re kumbaya by the end of it, making them HATE EACH OTHER… just doesn’t make sense. Cause then what happened to all that character growth we just saw?? I’d rather Arcane do its own thing, especially it wasn’t originally supposed to be canon, and I think that’s the way it should be
On the scene of Jinx fighting the boxing manchine and still not being able to beat Vi's high score from the past, the thing that immediatelly came to my mind and I imagine went thought her head was Mylo saying to Vi "You were twice as strong with half the age" when talking about her.
Tbh jinx not like to much older then Vi's ages in the first act . Most people doesnt get that i think . She is not a grown women . So he cant beat vi s last higy score but is that really showing someting ?
About Jinx killing the crow: yeah, it is, as a matter of fact animal cruelty but I think the reason many people are willing to overlook that is because of what her killing a CROW specifically symbolises. Crows in the show represent Jinx herself. They are always there when something bad happens around her and you can even see during her fight against Ekko, Ekko is represented by a firelight and Jinx is represented by a crow. Crows in our world are often called a bad omen, bringing bad luck, so in a way, crows are also jinxes. And by extension, Jinx killing the crow represents her own self-hatred.
I think that's a really good analysis. Yeah it requires writing a character a very particular way for us to overlook something so instinctive within ourselves. The writers did an amazing job of making Jinx a horrible villain who we also love and relate to and want redemption for.
A crow is an omen of death rather than of bad luck, which leans into the theming of Jinx killing everyone/everything close to her, whether it's intentional or not.
@@gurth-quake1627 It actually both. Crows symbolise a bunch of things, bad luck and death are the most commonly known, but in some cultures they also symbolise change/transformation.
the crows or possibly ravens could be (and this is a bit of a longshot but not impossible) noxus spys, either sent by swain or more likely the black rose to spy on what's happening in noxus. If you pay close attention there are a lot of them and knowing the lengths the black rose is willing to go to spy and gather info by controlling people, i think they could be using animals too. I think jinx being smart and also kind of unhinged and paranoid may have noticed them watching her tinkering with hextech and realized something was fishy.
47:15 Mylo instilled the idea of Jinx in her mind, Vi started her on the journey of becoming Jinx, Silco completed that journey. That's the way I look at it anyway.
From Jinx perspective yeah. Looking at it from the outside, Vi would still have been with Powder if Silco didn't show up in S1E3 after the explosion. Silco was the reason Powder and Vi was separated in the first place. Vi actually played very little part in creating Jinx.
I disagree about Multiple Personality Disorder. (Its now called DID and isnt a personality disorder) if Jinx has a personality disorder it would be Borderline Personality Disorder. DID is more about dissociation, Borderline Personality focuses on unstable emotions (for super simplicity). Also Powder and Jinx aren't separate personalities. Powder is Jinx. Jinx is Powder. The debate between adopting either names is about living in the past, innocence, and family versus the present, guilt, growing up and moving on, new family, and the value of acceptance. They are framed as separate because Jinx herself sees them as separate parts of herself which leads others to do the same. In season 2 (sort of spoilers) Jinx is finding acceptance in the present and accepting what happened in the past and trying to move on. Which makes the end of Act 2 Season 2 a cliffhanger for Jinx.
Lemme guess. You are not a doctor? Me neither. Because from my non educated experience MPD is just an old term for DID. The identidy of Jinx was literally pushed onto Powder. I don't think thats classic DID. Also Borderline Personality Disorder? Maybe her strong attachement speaks for it, but her emotional outburst are not moodswings. She doesn't go through manic and depressed periods. She is triggered by traumatic events. CPTSD would be way more proper diagnosis from my understanding of the conceps. Her hallucinations might be also caused by that, but I guess thats already full blown schizophrenia. This is just speculation, I am not a medical educated proffessional.
@@nostalji93 como diagnosticada de Borderline personality disorder te digo que se refleja mucho la inestabilidad emocional, desembocada por cosas muy idiotas y simples, más que un periodo de tiempo prolongado, dura una noche, al otro día estoy bien, y durante el día vuelvo a caer en esos picos, el trabajo que se hace es saber identificar que no soy yo, sino estos picos los que me hacen pensar esas cosas, con jinx, hay un claro trauma post traumático que provocó este TLP
@@malenaalvarez977 Is it BPD with Jinx though? Her mental changes do not get triggered by "very idiodic and simple things", but by severe stress. The Shimmer in her body is activated during flight or fight situations similar to adrenalin. Her hallucinations aren't caused by BPD, but get triggered by guilt. Jinx isn't struggling with identity. She is struggling with attachement, selfworth and guilt. Her Psychosis has nothing to do with BPD. Its obviously due to trauma. She doesn't display symptoms of BPD before and after those traumatic events that shape her so much. In fact her personality and emotional state stays pretty much consistent throughout even with her transformation from Powder into Jinx.
An important thing to remember, especially with C-PTSD and BPD, they are very commonly comorbid with many other disorders, such as schizophrenia and DID. She can have both and shows many symptoms all of them.
I think Jinx having her dead friends talk to her is part of a dramatic irony that a lot of the characters suffer from; Piltover is the city of progress and yet so many characters are trapped in/haunted by the past. Heimerdinger created Piltover and yet he refuses Hextech so vehemently because of an incident from hundreds of years ago. Jinx is one of the smartest characters who does invent some pretty amazing things and she’s quite literally haunted by the people she killed. Vi is trapped in the past and doesn’t want anyone to change, she wants Powder back and in season 2 doesn’t want Caitlyn to change.
In ep 9 Jinx refused to make a choice. She offloaded the final choice to Vi. Then Caitlyn hijacked it and held her up. Once the final decision came up, it was all up to Powder/Jinx. She designed everything to not be her choice, and yet it boiled down to her choice anyways.
Right like I'm so tired of these clickbait thumbnails. The video turns out to be good, but the thumbnails nearly stear me away from giving the video a chance.
This was a pretty good breakdown for a 1st/2nd watch through, unfortunately I've been hyper-fixated on this show for 3 years, watched it dozens of times, and seen a million video essays, so a lot of this I've already heard before or disagree with. Still enjoyed the video though, you guys are great.
We're about 2 years late to the party, so that's understandable 😂 Glad you still enjoyed it, and hopefully our Season 2 breakdown will be soon enough that we get the fresh first take on a lot of stuff 😉
Hey! Small correction / note about the visuals used at 11:11 - I'm 99.9% certain the Tracer animation is hand animated, as is all the animation in overwatch (both in game and cinematics). I believe the motion capture performer in this clip is doing a sort of reverse engineering / cartoony acting kind of exercise (which she is very good at!). I expect a lot of people would have the same reaction as Jordan when hearing there's no motion capture in arcane so I think worth mentioning that if it WERE motion captured, the animators still would have had to have done a LOT of creative work to get the animation looking the way it does! Love what you guys are doing! Keep it up!
Ahhhhhhh, you could be VERY correct on that. Apologies if we managed to choose an example that actually DOESN'T show what we're talking about 😅 Stoked you like the episode! 🙏🙌
@@FrameOfMindBros No worries! I'm glad you guys are putting effort in to actually show examples of what what you're talking about in the first place! If I may be even more annoying... What Curtis is referring to as "rigging" here is actually just "posing" or "animation". Rigging is the process of adding a skeleton and controls to a character that allow the animators to deform and pose them. Much like adding strings to a puppet or the armature inside of a stop motion character. You can see the rig controls around the character in the clip at 11:51. What Curtis describes about animators sitting at their desks and feeling out the motion and performance is 100% accurate and very common for most animated shows. I animate for kids TV where the budget is much much lower, we don't use reference footage much so we will often act stuff out at our desks or make sound effects to get the timings right! So I super appreciate the research that went into this section! Cheers!
In a world where so many artists are upset/anxious/angry about Ai. It’s extremely cool to see a show that still cares SO MUCH about animation. The ART of animation to tell a story. That doesn’t cut corners. Doing an AMAZING job. And showing exactly why human creativity will always be valuable.
I know what you mean, really great to see. I actually think as AI gets more popular there will be an increased demand for “human authentic creation” , fingers crossed 🤞🏻
As someone who suffers from Borderline Personality Disorder, I find I relate with Jinx and she brings me some comfort. It is the section in which you were discussing the world beating an identity on you and how it causes fractures, mixed with her intense emotions, self destructive tendencies, fear of abandonment, people pleasing tendencies, and erratic haunting thoughts of worth and strength. Feeling defeated and hopeless and utter incapable of doing anything. Everything you do goes wrong and you feel like a burden or curse. That’s how I feel and she makes me feel like, like even in my madness and destruction. I can still find joy in life and I can still find ways to shine. But it hurts. It hurts so much. So watching the show, I had visceral reactions seeing her cause I know her pain. Her delirious repetitive self destructive thoughts and feelings so strong they hurt. I also feel so fractured. So out of touch with reality. So dissociated. So jaded and defeated. I try to combat all worst of me. But I just get more tired. Either way. I am happy to have Jinx. To see someone feel like I do.
12:30 this is actually a very common "practice" that a lot of animators and artists do, and I use quotation marks bc most of the time is not intentional. This type of thing can also be extended into other type of movements such as dancing, singing, writing, drawing a gun, etc. It helps not only to understand how the movements work and how to translate them into the media but also for *character acting*, acting out what the character will say and do gives the animator/artist an insight into that character's mind and how they're feeling which makes the end result feel more emotional and true and thus more impacting to the viewer. Animation students may have a theater or acting class precisely for this reason
The thing is, Jinx just sort of gaslighted Vi in that tea party. She TOLD Vi that 'you can't accept me as Jinx' but she never gave Vi a CHANCE to do that... and instead drove a hard wedge between them... essentially FORCING Vi to side against her. Vi never has any agency at all, any time she tries to take some and make a better world with it, it's stolen from her, while Jinx has nothing but agency and consistently uses it to destroy.
I think she actually did try to give Vi a chance, in a somewhat mentaly broken way she actually tried to force her to accept jinx. She shows Vi the 2 chairs and tells Vi that if she wants powder back she needs to shoot caitltyn. To me as someone with mental issues its a nondirect way to ask her, because jinx knows what there relationship (she says girlfriend) is and that Vi wouldn't kill caitlyn. However as it goes Vi (understandbly) misunderstands and just say's I can't. to Jinx its a rejection of who she is now.
@@lastthing8173 I mean... 'kill someone perfectly innocent for me or it means you refuse to accept me' is gaslighting... you don't have to KNOW you're gaslighting someone to be doing it. Jinx isn't of sound mind, we UNDERSTAND why she's doing the things she's doing thanks to Arcane being the GOAT of character development, but that doesn't make the tea party any less of a massive gaslighting endeavor... I'm just pointing out that I think Vi doesn't get the sort of sympathy and empathy she deserves. She really has NO CHOICE but to do most of the things she's forced to do throughout the series. She's the sister with Agency in Act 1, and essentially the entire rest of the series she's desperately trying to claw it back so she can effect some kind of beneficial change... and it's constantly CONSTANTLY stripped away from her by characters who glean their own agency to do WRONG by taking hers away.
When Jinx initially saw Vi again, she was happy. It was when Cait showed up that triggered her even more. Their whole childhood was a nightmare because of the very same people Caitlyn represents, so of course, in the eyes of Jinx, she felt betrayed by Vi not only once but twice.
@@wrbk19 well jinx is still old enough to understand miscommunication is a thing and she should let vi speak up. im so sick and tired of people bashing on vi who had to be the older sister at the young age protecting powder and gets locked up for 5 years. Meanwhile Silco is feeding jinx's worst traits and people act like Vi created Jinx. She did not btw. Vi just keeps telling herseft that because she was locked up for 5 years and saw what her sister has become. Blame Silco and Jinx instead of Vi who has no business on her current iteration. She cant go around and blame her sister for everything. God forbid a child makes a mistake and breaks her stoic character for a split second after her own sister kills the entire gang and father figure and gets kidnaped the second she clears up her mind. Jinx is the textbook example of boy/girlfriend who has infinite scenarios playing inside their head to gaslight you. the fact that Jinx actually Vi is a psycho (season 2 ep 5) is insane and delusional.
@@wrbk19 This explains why JINX believes what she believes... it doesn't change the realities of what she does to Vi, or how Vi is suffering because of what the world is forcing her to do. It does not change that Jinx's tea party was entirely unfair, and gave Vi no REAL chance or agency to affect a change. Jinx brought everybody to that table to affirm herself as who she was going to be, with no thought or consideration of how she was going to do that... or what it would do to the people she kidnapped and forced to be there... and because of that she lost EVERYTHING at that teaparty. She lost her dad, by killing him, and she lost her sister, by forcing Vi to side against her.
Just discovered this video/channel while looking for Season 2 reactions and I loved every second of this video! You both know what you are talking about and you are also very pleasant to listen to - can't believe you aren't even at 10k subs with the amount of quality you deliver! Seeing it's a new video talking about Season 1 I just hope we won't need to wait as long for your Season 2 review! Lots of love from Germany :)
Idk if anyone’s mentioned in the comments and I haven’t finished the full video, but when you talk about the structure of Piltover and Jayce, and Zaun being more organic and Zaun’s connection to Viktor, it’s also reflected in the types of magic they use. Jayce uses hextech in tools that he designed and built, whereas Viktor uses the chaotic hexcore. And later when it’s theorised that magic could get annoyed at being confined, used and abused, and could choose to turn against them, that’s sorta like topside and the undercity too. Again, sorry if this is obvious or discussed already🙈
I think that's a really great way to put it!! There's absolutely a reflection in each characters' personality, perspective and background in the way they wield magic.
"Mylo was right" - and Powder's eyes widen in horror, Powder realises, closes her eyes and internalises what was said - cognising it like taking a mental snapshot. That heart wound hit harder than the slap.
As someone completely new to the LoL universe, I was appreciative of the first few episodes, explaining some of the characters background. It is important that creators do that if they want to appeal to an even larger audience and pick up the people like me, who may only click on it for obscure reasons and then invest in it. I am now hooked and am ready to really go look at the rest. Funnily, my father is one of the biggest comic book/gamer/anime participants I know and has been trying for YEARS to get me to look. This is the one that did it for me!
How can this have so few likes? This analysis is very interesting and pleasant to hear :) felt very relax and happy while having you guys on the background. Keep it up!!
Thank you so much 😄 Glad you enjoyed it! 🙏 Thankfully a few more people have liked it since you commented. Thanks for being one of the first to the video! 🎉
“I thought I saw her on the trailer “ “You did not” -enemy sound in the background- “That might be true” “It is not” -enemy sound in the background again- I choked laughing 😂
I got into Arcane because for a really long time I've loved game lore and league had such a fun artstyle with cool characters, so Arcane was my intro to the lore. I'm a Jinx main
Honestly, that's one of the biggest compliments you could have given 🙏 Super stoked you enjoyed it that much! We'll work hard to make sure our Season 2 review is just as good 😉
Please keep talking about the framing of this show like you did with the Vi/Vander Bridge talk!! Also would love you both to discuss Silco has a human (not the antagonist)
That's certainly a good way to frame it. People sometimes think about those two elements being an either/or decision, when really it's probably more accurate to look at what elements of your natural inclinations present themselves and how they interact with your current environment. How those two things react to one another can have a huge impact on how a person is forged over time.
@@FrameOfMindBros Just shouting you out for another amazingly engaging episode! Clever choice for lighting in the background as well, intentional or otherwise haha!
I LOVE your content guys, an hour goes flying by, it's careful observation, I love when you agree on opinions and when your opinions differ, it's a delight. I really have to say though... those clickbait thumbnails are really annoying, I've been about to hit don't recommend and then I check who it's from and I think "wait, I trust these guys". The clickbait contradicts the fact that you guys really dive into things and have nuanced thoughts. And I get clickbait = well.. clicks... But you guys have good content that can stand on it's own two legs.
Oh I'm loving this episode! Hope you have fun with Arcane S2, the show is a banger for sures Also I hope to see more of Arcane analysis on this channel
Oh you can expect a full Season 2 review once the final episodes come out 😉 We're filming it the day after the final episodes release, so be on the lookout in the near future
I really enjoyed this video a lot, can't wait to hear your thoughts on season 2! And as for your thoughts on Jinx, I think you are right on the money especially with some of the think Christian Linke has said. Arcane sadly is mostly a tragedy in progress, the people who know of the lore may have an idea towards what kind of ending the series is heading, its gonna have a conclusion but I feel not a happy resolution, a lot of conflict that still exists for the current canon as far as we know. Maybe some differences here and there but still carrying us towards that I believe, especially in regards to the character of Jinx and her inability of escaping the identity of her name, whether she is directly involved or not, she just cannot escape the pain, and conflict that those cruel realities bring, tragedy. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't..
There's a lot of subtext in the "he didn't make Jinx, you did" scene leading to many interpretations. I think the writers want to explore Jinx's perspective rather than presenting an absolute statement on her character. She explains how Silco pushes her to be Jinx, to be what they fear. but "he didn't make Jinx, you did". then she tells Vi it's her voice pushing her and keeps her going. She is thanking Vi almost, you are the reason I want to be Jinx, it's not because of Silco, it's you. To Jinx being Jinx is a good thing, Jinx is strong and competent while powder was weak and useless, which of course Vi couldn't understand and think she's being blamed because she took that explanation literally much like most of the audience
It's a great point. Maybe in Jinx's mind it's not Vi saying "you're a jinx", but her saying "what makes you different makes you strong" that keeps pushing her. One of the signals of great writing is when you have these moments where you can take one statement and spiral off into so many ideas and reflections on the story and the characters 👍
Just to chime in on your art discussion. As an artist, I feel like a lot of us do that. While we're making a piece (in whichever medium) we make the face we're creating. To really get inside the headspace of whichever emotion we're trying to convey until we feel like its looking into a mirror. At least that's how I approach it anyway, haha. Also talking about Jinx/Harley, I'm so GLAD they wrote her this way. So many people love Jinx/Harley because its very 'manic pixie dream girl'. They're so, as you said, chaotic and people find that attractive. However, if you brought them into real life, it would look like this! And it's not attractive, it's painful and upsetting, and most people wouldn't want that in their life 24/7. It's too much. So I really appreciated how much depth they gave her. She's not lol random, she's deeply disturbed and its not cute.
Great Video! I just wanted to clarify somehting that was said: "ASD" is included on the list of disorders which long haired man (I'm so sorry , IDK your names as of yet) argues Jinx presents a mish-mash of the symptoms/traits of. I wanted to check that you did in fact mean Autism (which I do indeed agree with) and not Anti social Disorder, which is officially abbreviated to ASPD but I could totally see easily slipping up and saying ASD; especially bc society doesn't normally call it either "Autism Spectrum Disorder" or "ASD."
Thanks! So glad you liked it! Maybe there is some confusion, at 38:17 is when I think are referring to, but the abbreviations weren't used, instead "Anti Social Disorder" was stated. You're correct that we in fact did not mean Autism. Was there a different timestamp that you might be referring to instead?
The chain reaction goes back even further really because if Ekko hadn't given Vi the tip about the lab they wouldn't have gone and if Jayce had picked a different shop (Or had the common sense awareness to not throw his money around so flippantly in zaun ) then Ekko wouldn't have even known about the lab. And If Caitlyn's family wasn't funding Jayce's illegal experiments then Jayce wouldn't have had the resources to throw around.
1:13:15 > The interesting thing is, I'd go even further than this : The tip wasn't just happenstance, it came from Ekko (working for Benzo) who saw Jayce getting stuff from the shop. Piltover fear of magic made Jayce, who wanted to research hextech, go to a shop in the undercity to get stuff for his research, leading to little man giving the tip to Vi and crew. And everything after this goes full circle to Jinx using hextech as a weapon against Piltover. Also > the idea of Jinx's identity being beaten into Powder rings so true it's painful, but I disagree about her "choosing" to be Jinx at the dinner. She never had any choice, when she gave the options, Silco took the choice from them trying to kill Vi. The choices were : either choose Silco and become Jinx voluntarily, or save Vi, kill Silco and lose a(nother) father figure from her own hands, once again pushing her towards the Jinx persona (which probably was the last straw on her already fractured psyche).
Season 2 Spoilers . . . . . Interesting thing about the idea of Powder/Jinx struggling with identities that have been imposed on her. In Season 2 she gets two new ones, both probably much more healthier for her. Big Sister Jinx, and Jinx the Symbol of the Resistance.
I'm not sure what made this click, but I feel like I have to share this theory somewhere before part 3 cones out. This show is all about parallels, symbolism and cycles. Jinx has blue hair, Vi has red hair. Jinx and Vi's mother has blue hair, their father has red hair (maybe this isn't confirmed yet). Jinx's mother dies on the bridge at the hands of enforcers, Jinx intends to die on the same bridge by simular means. Where is their father? His body is never shown. My theory: Vi's and Jinx's father is alive in piltover, mirroring the siblings' own life paths.
While I'm still enjoying season 2 a lot, I think that it's missing a lot of this thematic, character-based storytelling. Introducing the Black Rose, Wild Runes, and Noxus as the plot drivers has robbed a lot of the characters of their interesting personal conflicts and motivations and the themes that the first series did so much to explore. It feels less like a character drama and more of a marvel movie now.
Oh we will have LOTS to talk about in our Season 2 review 😄 I'll wait till the final episodes come out though before passing judgement, but I can understand exactly where you're coming from
I think Jinx as a character is so beloved because of two main factors. 1. Because she's somewhat more relatable. Vi as a character feels a bit more neutral to her emotions, while Jinx is all out. At the point of despair. We've all been there to some extent, and we feel wth her and it resonates with how it feels to be on the verge of breaking down. 2. Because it's just part of human psyche to want to save her. The same way we feel for a wounded animal. You're caught partially enjoying watching the chaos unravel, but at the same time you just want to give her a warm hug and tell her it'll be ok. And this is probably only the case because of the first few episodes of Powder. Knowing how fragile she is, and not inheritely evil. On top of that, the way they made Vander really amplifies this, he was the one who could save her. His role is so crucial to everything that happens with Powder and Vi I've never watched any of your videos before, and im really glad i ended up here. Great dynamic with two very different perspectives. Thanks for a great watch
There isn't one bad sister, we got to understand that vi was also a minor when this happened. That day she lost 2 best friends/brothers and her father and her emotions are going crazy. When you loose someone very close people even adults try to find someone to blame when she realizes powder was the one responsible for the explosion that basically ruined the escape plan and caused so much devastation she lashed out, im not saying it was the right thing to do, but seeing the context of the scene it's understandable why she reacted the way she did. And we all know she didn't abandon powder, after she hit her immense guilt cane over her for what she just did and said, so she removed herself from the situation before she reached more. Unknowingly doing something that would scar powder, thinking she was being abandoned, we all know the reason vi didn't come back is because she was kidnapped and sent to prison.
I actually agree with you 😄 The thumbnail isn't meant to say 1 is objectively good and the other is objectively bad, I think that title can be swapped back and forth between them at different times in their story. They both have good and bad elements of them as characters and in their relationship to each other. Thumbnail was meant to provoke thought rather than to state a fact we think is objectively true
@FrameOfMindBros i understand ive just seen people online saying vi is a bad sister, and how jinx is a better sister in relation to isha, which to me isn't a fair comparison since 1 they are both different people and like a mentioned before vi (in the scene she gets the most hate on aka the slap) is a minor dealing with a lot of stress and loss, vs jinx who is older and the moments we see with isha there is not an equivalent point of stress/loss just wholesome sisterly bonding
1:13:14 It's all Ekko's fault then since he is the one that gave them the tip to rob Jayce's apartment lab, which is interesting considering his powers in the game (time related), it makes me curious how they will utilize those in the final act of S2 ... are they bold or crazy enough to make him erase everything from the point of incident or will they go another route XD
bro I think resetting the timeline would be so interesting. But it would make it hard to get the character into the same as the champions in the game. In all reality they’ve left so much up in the air, it’s scary.
For me the ‘you made jinx’ scene is probably true because as you said it acts as the final catalyst for powder to internalize the identity of jinx and whilst yes Milo does technically act as a activation event for the beginnings of powder as a jinx. I’d argue without VI’s agreement in that conclusion, jinx would have never been created. It is Vi who created jinx because that was the person who held the most important opinion to powder, when Milo says she’s not ready powder is annoyed but she doesn’t have an emotional breakdown because its Vi opinions that matters. it’s Vi who gets her to jump from the roof in the Heist, it was always Vi for Powder because there’s where her obsession lies. Another thing whilst I agree I don’t think Powder was set to be Jinx I do think we get some hints that Powder isn’t stable even as a child, her attachment style is unhealthy honestly it appears to be an insecure attachment type, particularly insecure-resistant I would assume for both the anger but relief in reuniting with Vi. Honestly from the start I think she has abandoned issues which doesn’t mean she was set up for the start to have to have such severe mental problems but I do believe she had a vulnerability to develop some said characteristics we see later down the line. That’s just my observation from the influence of my opinion.
Hey I hope this doesn't come off as rude but multiple personalities disorder is now considered DID or dissociative identity disorder. The disorder is also more about dissociation and the way personalities are not fully developed due to repeated truama. The way it was described in the video i feel wasn't accurate and feeding into the misinformation about DID.
Arcane is good because it is good. I am glad people who can't understand this need a video to tell them why it is good. They watch it and then need something more than their own brain and thoughts to explain it to them. Same as people who need to be explained why food is good or anything is good. Sad they can't see it or feel it themselves but glad those lifeless people have something to turn to.
The question of political leanings was also something that was on my mind when I first came across the phenomenon of people championing Jinx's character. I myself am a conservative man and identify the strongest with Vander an Vi's portrayal as guardians and caretakers. Always trying to take on the hurt and the pain the world throws your way head on as to not let it affect the ones you try to protect and rather suffer on your own. Without recognition or thanks given from the ones you protect. And I cannot find myself rooting for Jinx in the slightest. So I wonder, if one can already see a distinction in people with different political leanings in the way they are drawn to these characters? Also a funny thing about the creators political leanings: Christians last Name "Linke" literally means the "Left" (die Linke) in german.
VI doesn't completely change sides. Theyre all anti Silco from the start. Shes not anti top side. She just wants better for the lanes and wants topside to suck less towards them. Jinx however DID change sides. Jinx became what they were all always against. So even going after Jinx is a symptom of JINX changing sides NOT an indication Vi does. Vi has some opinions change but Vi is one of the few characters who undergoes absolutely 0 character alterations You thesis is based off the audience buying your willful misinterpretation. Interesting to think about these things but if you got that Vi "switched sides" even by putting the badge on"it was conditional, she still got to be her own person unlike real cops who lose wll agency as individuals on the job in theory. What i mean is no one, even Ambessa or a council member is expecting Vi to do shit she's against as an enforcer. So in short, no, youre wrong Very odd to get such a clear thing wrong as a professional honestly. Arcane is not nuanced in what it tells us. It doesnt do it with exposition but its very direct and like a hammer to the head with its delivery there is no chance you believe your interpretation over what i have just said because they arent ambiguous at all
But Vi does start out as very much anti-top side. In fact, she is anti-top side way before she can be anti-Silco, since she doesn't even know about the existence of Silco in the beginning. So if anyone is wrong in their interpretation, it's you. Edit: and they also base their point about Vi completely changing sides on the original lore, from which we know where Vi is supposed to end up by the end of series and there she has been the mascot for police brutality for a very long time. Even if they end up changing that, you can't really blame them for doing their research.
the thumbnail is driving me INSANE. I get that it's probably clickbait, but the idea that Vi is the "bad sister" because one really bad interaction permitted circumstance to almost LITERALLY tear them apart is driving me crazy. The expectation that the elder sister should behave perfectly rationally and be accommodating to Jinx's distress when Vi is the one that watched her world fall apart firsthand in there is so frustrating I never even know where to begin.
So i have a theory, Lil man gave them the place to rob in piltover in season 1 ep 1, and we know lil man is Ekko...Ekko has time manipulation abilities...what if Ekko left a clue for his past self Lil man in order to create this chain event
I would have been willing to follow you guys and stuff if my first impression wasn't the shitty clickbait thumbnail you guys used, knowing how much some people in the fandom hate Vi (and the people who like Vi) just because they can (without really thinking it through), doing this is completely wrong... and so unnecessary if you know your content is good
Glad to know you guys are going to annalyse season 2 too. I'm personally very mixed about s2, which says that for me is not as good as s1. And yes, expectations had a lot to do with as you say. Just like you pointed out on the video, Vi is the main character when you look at screen time, but narrativelly, there is no arguing it's Jinx, it's all about her. And that's the point that is catching me the most. Vi is my absolute favorite character of the show, and thro those 3 years there has been some teasers and interviews for season 2, and one of the things that was teased a few times and told to us once was the this season was going to be more Vi-centered instead of Jinx-centered (I assumed it about the character exploration and agency on the story), it got me really, really hyped! And so far I don't few it delivering it at all. Still an incredible, cativating, amazing show, but I feel it has way more problems with it's story telling and character development in general than season 1, and this other problem I pointed out being a big point of frustration to me. Still excited to watch the finale this weekend, and will be here to watch your guys talking about it in a few weeks
That’s a shame. I’m sorry you feel that way. Maybe it’s because I left my expectations extremely free and open as far as where it was going, but I’ve been blown away by season 2, especially with the Warwick stuff. Vi is also my favorite, but probably tied with Ekko which is why I’m particularly hyped for the final 3 episodes. I have a feeling Jayce could really compete as one of my favorites too.
@@BuddyChy Idk, Vi is one character I'm super attached too, I literally started playing league 10 years ago (thankly I don't play anymore) 'cause of her ans had aways liked her and hoped for Riot to actually goes foward with it's lore and give her more depth... It never hapenned... until Arcane came in. I know that I can be either expecting too much or having my vision clouded because of it. If anything this can come up as testment to how much great of a work they did? xD. Idk, it's dumb. She is a really important character to me, and one I'll likely carry for the rest of my life. So probably I'm just suffering the hangover for inhaling all this copium and hopium (and, in my defense, part of it was gave to me by the writters really xD)
@ I usually take the words of people involved with any project with a grain of salt, not because I don’t trust them or think they’re lying, but because their perspectives are so different that what they usually mean is never what our imagination expects. I’m also someone who tends to buy in and accept something for what it is and patiently wait for it to play out before looking back with a more judgmental eye. Not to say I’m never disappointed, but I’m often more easily pleased.
When Jayce initiated the vote for heim-something i didnt like him (also, knowing the game is a cheat, that said not a bad thing just dont spoil it for me)
Why does the filmmaker say “yes” to the psychologist talking about psychology as if he already has all this insight? I would have liked the guy to drop his ego a level and listen humbly to the psychologist. Would have made this thoroughly more enjoyable to watch.
Jordan's actually using a skill called Active Listening, where his 'yes' doesn't mean "I know", but it means "I'm following what you're saying Curtis". When I'm speaking I find it really helpful when he does it to keep the flow of conversation going 👍
51:31 What? No, it isn't. She starts stacking bodies, willingly and indiscriminately, in episode 4. Here's a list of all the crimes Jinx committed throughout the entire series (so far): S1E4: 5x homicides on the air ship. Arson. Terrorism (blowing up a building with people in it). Grand larceny (stealing the gem). S1E6: Battery and attempted murder. S1E7: Terrorism, again. Carpet bombing the bridge. Who knows how many died. Attempted murder, again. S1E8: Kidnapping. S1E9: Kidnapping, again. False imprisonment. Battery. Homicide. Terrorism. (Blowing up the council) S2E2: 5x Homicides. S2E3: False imprisonment. Torture. Battery and attempted murder. Terrorism. (Chemical warfare against Piltover). Forgiving a monster? Yeah, I don't see it. If the show does forgive her, I'm gonna question the morality of the creators.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 out of every character in the show JINX is the “monster” here….???? You listed all these things without context and are just glossing over active war crimes committed by Piltover, and cait… alright bud it’s actually telling what side of history you’d stand on in various real world comparisons and that’s what’s questionable…. Slave rebellions were domestic terror. Native Americans scalping thieves was terrorism. Just throwing the word terrorism out without context is a literal propaganda tactic used by several countries and progressed by Hitler and his ministry of propoganda. The FBI in the US was known to label activists as terrorists for the simplest of actions. You should stop now while you’re ahead
You're typing out crimes without context and narrative explanation for those actions, one of these is also just self defense i.e her killing Smeech's men although you can argue that Smeech himself was very much a homicide given that he offered to stop. But regardless within fiction itself, morality isn't the same as our reality. Jinx finding redemption doesn't translate to murdering those enforcers was good actually, it just means someone like Jinx can have a second chance at being a better person and that's literally with the power of love as cheesy as it is. S1 is about what trauma and mental illness and a horrible environment can produce in a person culiminating in her bombing the council and s2 so far seems to be how far genuine and mutual non-toxic love can change someone in her relationship with Isha and reconnecting with Vi. This isn't a show with black/white good guys and bad guys and we're not going to get a resolution where the people who did bad things get due punishment.
@NoMustang273 "Without context or narrative explanation." Yeah, I'm sure those enforcers pulling security at a festival that Jinx lured and bombed would feel so much better knowing she was just suffering from an inferiority complex and trying to prove herself to Silco by stealing the gem. That totally justifies killing half a dozen people, and who knows how many wounded. Or, how about the enforcers killed on the bridge? Those explosive firelights were just Jinx venting her frustration at her sister "lying" to her. What are a few dozen corpses these days? I like Jinx as character, not as a person. Having a shitty childhood is no excuse to commiting genocide and gassing an entire city. Piltover has committed those same crimes against Zaun? Yes. No one's denying it. It doesn't make Jinx any better, let alone a hero.
@@brian0057 to Zaun it does in fact make her a hero…. She gassed piltover with their own poison after they used it to gas Zaun…. That’s on them and would be seen as justice to Zaun…. There’s full context to everything including the fact piltover is full of xenophobia and these enforcers hate zaunites because of all manner of discriminatory ideologies. As far as someone in Zaun is concerned they wouldn’t give a piss how many enforcers died if it stoped their oppression. The bridge incident for example. She blew it up for whatever reason but timing is everything and because she did it AFTER piltover wanted to make examples and further oppress Zaun it was seen as heroism. Mind you she blew it up AFTER the enforcers came to blows against zaunites. And after most of the zaunites cleared it. Regardless they’d view her as a hero…. This is the reason why listing out actions perceived as terror acts and crimes by piltover doesn’t actually give context to the actual circumstances of these actions nor what the objectively meant to Zaun and other political elements ect
@@brian0057 When did she commit genocide? The Grey is depicted as non lethal in short term exposure. Jinx redirected what Cait had released and it had dissipated shortly. The damage done was relatively minimal. She could have done much, much more damage with traditional explosives combined with the gas and killed people but she just vandalises some buildings and makes some people sick for a short while. If we assume any health complications were permanent, we have to assume Cait did the same and realistically she would have also hurt innocent Zaunites even if they only targeted chembarons given that we know they used it on streets, their factories have workers including children in them, their headquarters aren't neatly separated from civilian housing on top of being commercial centers where regular people would be employed or just doing business in general. It's a morally grey act and one Cait was forced to make but it's very much Jinx turning the same gray against them as a 'prank'. I'm not saying Jinx is a good person. I'm just arguing that her having a "happy" ending (After Isha it'll probably be bittersweet) isn't necessarily justifying her actions. It's a story about complicated people. Vi chooses to put aside her grievances in Act 2 to reconnect with her and considers living with her. The story isn't really going to punish her for that decision realistically. Also she's a child soldier and severely mentally ill. I personally feel that in the realm world it'd be very warranted to have her in a psych ward for the rest of her life considering her circumstances. She doesn't attack bystanders and all her victims have either been in direct opposition and/or politicians like the Council. Again, not justified but she very much doesn't just go after people randomly. Her enjoyment of violence seems to mostly stem from the chance of death. Redemption within fiction usually relies on the character having a genuine change rather than purely reciprocal action equivalent to the damage done. I'd be much less sympathetic to her in reality and the people within the story like Cait and the Firelights have good reason to hate her. She's also a victim of circumstance to the extent that her entire morality has been warped from a young age. We're also never going to see Mel or Jayce or the Council in general pay reparations for their negligence of the Undercity. Similarly you can easily frame many of Jinx's actions as similar to freedom fighters in reality even if she herself doesn't care about the cause. Because the people who lead those kinds of movements are very often horrible people themselves. It's just not the kind of story where you get a clear cut ending is my main point. It gives enough explanation and sympathy for Jinx's actions without painting her as an entirely good person and makes the status of our more moral characters like Vi and Ekko a little more dubious because they choose to still connect and maintain their relationship with her or Cait who ends up making decisions she never would have done earlier (using the Gray) as a consequence of Jinx's actions.
I'd argue that Vi DID make Jinx, not Milo. Powder never really seemed too phased by Milo complaining. She only seems to care when she misunderstands the conversation between Milo and Vi after the heist, when Vi tells her she's not ready, and when Vi hits her and calls her a jinx. What do you think?
Silco created and nurtured her psychotic episodes because it helps her be a better murderer. Blaming this on children is ridiculous. He's her adoptive parent.
Would be interesting to hear your opinion on the rather mystfying (to me) decision in S2 to take the "O.K. this is me, I'm going to break things" Jinx, to immediately a "BooHoo, Silco is dead, I have no purpose" Jinx. Seems rather odd that mental break led to nothing, in fact led her to do exactly the opposite of what Silco was trying to achieve, trying to get her to fight for (i.e. fight for Zaun). Seems psychologically odd, and a huge missed narrative opportunity. IMHO she should have spent act 1 of S2 acting out this battle with Piltover, before maybe taking the turn that Vander did by act 2
It's strange because we talked about that at the end of the episode...we both thought neither of us would like Season 2 as much just because our expectations are so high now. It's hard to look at Season 2 with objective perspective but can't wait to see how the final episodes finish 🙌
@@FrameOfMindBros I hope the final episodes are good too and I understand that I need to manage my expectations from season 1 so that I don't set myself up for disappointment in season 2. But it's hard to ignore some of the glaring flaws in season 2. I won't go into specifics so as to avoid spoilers but the main problems are rushed pacing, inconsistent character writing, unearned and flip flopping character development, and some scenes that undermine elements of season 1.
@@edwardmillard4398it’s good in itself. But there’s a lot of lore being brought in that loses the show only people at times. It’s really minimal of an issue to me though. I also didn’t know how to feel about the music videos every episode but not because it’s bad. It’s just in comparison to season one it threw me off. But Alone this season is still epic in a way I haven’t seen in years
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What makes the relationships so great in Arcane is the way they fight and diverge. It's realistic. In the LoL canon, Vi and Jinx and Jayce and Viktor _hate_ each other. But the reason they hate each other is because they were so close and the fallouts are happening little by little, death by 1000 cuts. Jinx does something horrible but Vi still tries to save her because they're sisters. But we know eventually they'll be that one action that leaves irreparable damage and we see that with the introduction of Cait into Vi's life and we are starting to see that with Jayce and Viktor's ideology becoming completely the opposite of each other.
With Vi and Jinx, I really hope they do what is good for the story rather than force the story to conform to the game.
Considering how incredibly popular Arcane is, I wouldn't be surprised if the game eventually conforms to the show
@@dgmilloway The two aren't mutually exclusive. The could've started with the end and worked backwards
@@samfisher6606 They actually did start with the end. They have known Vi & Jinx's final scene since the start.
My point is I don't want the ending to feel artificial b/c they had to end them in a certain place to satisfy random lore from a video game. If the story naturally leads to them hating each other again, then that's fine. If it's naturally a story of forgiveness and reconciliation, then screw the video game and give me that.
@did they say that in an interview?
I don’t like that they declared this “canon”. Because that suggests it needs to lead to the game, which quite frankly, I don’t want it to. They’ve already set up this reconciliation with each other, and even if they’re kumbaya by the end of it, making them HATE EACH OTHER… just doesn’t make sense. Cause then what happened to all that character growth we just saw??
I’d rather Arcane do its own thing, especially it wasn’t originally supposed to be canon, and I think that’s the way it should be
On the scene of Jinx fighting the boxing manchine and still not being able to beat Vi's high score from the past, the thing that immediatelly came to my mind and I imagine went thought her head was Mylo saying to Vi "You were twice as strong with half the age" when talking about her.
And now that isha is (presumably) dead, that line might come back to haunt her even more.
She was so young yet did thay
It's a great piece of visualization that calls back to Mylo's line for sure
Tbh jinx not like to much older then Vi's ages in the first act . Most people doesnt get that i think . She is not a grown women . So he cant beat vi s last higy score but is that really showing someting ?
@@rajew5356 Vi was probably like 13-14 in act 1, whereas Jinx is likely about 16-17 in act 2. I'd say that's still a significant difference.
@renx81 So u are saying this ages with what kind of referance ? I dont think so .
About Jinx killing the crow: yeah, it is, as a matter of fact animal cruelty but I think the reason many people are willing to overlook that is because of what her killing a CROW specifically symbolises. Crows in the show represent Jinx herself. They are always there when something bad happens around her and you can even see during her fight against Ekko, Ekko is represented by a firelight and Jinx is represented by a crow. Crows in our world are often called a bad omen, bringing bad luck, so in a way, crows are also jinxes. And by extension, Jinx killing the crow represents her own self-hatred.
I think that's a really good analysis. Yeah it requires writing a character a very particular way for us to overlook something so instinctive within ourselves. The writers did an amazing job of making Jinx a horrible villain who we also love and relate to and want redemption for.
A crow is an omen of death rather than of bad luck, which leans into the theming of Jinx killing everyone/everything close to her, whether it's intentional or not.
@@gurth-quake1627 It actually both. Crows symbolise a bunch of things, bad luck and death are the most commonly known, but in some cultures they also symbolise change/transformation.
the crows or possibly ravens could be (and this is a bit of a longshot but not impossible) noxus spys, either sent by swain or more likely the black rose to spy on what's happening in noxus. If you pay close attention there are a lot of them and knowing the lengths the black rose is willing to go to spy and gather info by controlling people, i think they could be using animals too. I think jinx being smart and also kind of unhinged and paranoid may have noticed them watching her tinkering with hextech and realized something was fishy.
47:15 Mylo instilled the idea of Jinx in her mind, Vi started her on the journey of becoming Jinx, Silco completed that journey. That's the way I look at it anyway.
From Jinx perspective yeah. Looking at it from the outside, Vi would still have been with Powder if Silco didn't show up in S1E3 after the explosion. Silco was the reason Powder and Vi was separated in the first place. Vi actually played very little part in creating Jinx.
I disagree about Multiple Personality Disorder. (Its now called DID and isnt a personality disorder) if Jinx has a personality disorder it would be Borderline Personality Disorder. DID is more about dissociation, Borderline Personality focuses on unstable emotions (for super simplicity). Also Powder and Jinx aren't separate personalities. Powder is Jinx. Jinx is Powder. The debate between adopting either names is about living in the past, innocence, and family versus the present, guilt, growing up and moving on, new family, and the value of acceptance. They are framed as separate because Jinx herself sees them as separate parts of herself which leads others to do the same. In season 2 (sort of spoilers) Jinx is finding acceptance in the present and accepting what happened in the past and trying to move on. Which makes the end of Act 2 Season 2 a cliffhanger for Jinx.
Lemme guess. You are not a doctor? Me neither. Because from my non educated experience MPD is just an old term for DID. The identidy of Jinx was literally pushed onto Powder. I don't think thats classic DID. Also Borderline Personality Disorder? Maybe her strong attachement speaks for it, but her emotional outburst are not moodswings. She doesn't go through manic and depressed periods. She is triggered by traumatic events. CPTSD would be way more proper diagnosis from my understanding of the conceps. Her hallucinations might be also caused by that, but I guess thats already full blown schizophrenia.
This is just speculation, I am not a medical educated proffessional.
@@nostalji93 como diagnosticada de Borderline personality disorder te digo que se refleja mucho la inestabilidad emocional, desembocada por cosas muy idiotas y simples, más que un periodo de tiempo prolongado, dura una noche, al otro día estoy bien, y durante el día vuelvo a caer en esos picos, el trabajo que se hace es saber identificar que no soy yo, sino estos picos los que me hacen pensar esas cosas, con jinx, hay un claro trauma post traumático que provocó este TLP
@@malenaalvarez977 Is it BPD with Jinx though? Her mental changes do not get triggered by "very idiodic and simple things", but by severe stress. The Shimmer in her body is activated during flight or fight situations similar to adrenalin. Her hallucinations aren't caused by BPD, but get triggered by guilt. Jinx isn't struggling with identity. She is struggling with attachement, selfworth and guilt. Her Psychosis has nothing to do with BPD. Its obviously due to trauma. She doesn't display symptoms of BPD before and after those traumatic events that shape her so much. In fact her personality and emotional state stays pretty much consistent throughout even with her transformation from Powder into Jinx.
@nostalji93 es más hacia esquizofrenia, no crees?
An important thing to remember, especially with C-PTSD and BPD, they are very commonly comorbid with many other disorders, such as schizophrenia and DID. She can have both and shows many symptoms all of them.
I think Jinx having her dead friends talk to her is part of a dramatic irony that a lot of the characters suffer from; Piltover is the city of progress and yet so many characters are trapped in/haunted by the past. Heimerdinger created Piltover and yet he refuses Hextech so vehemently because of an incident from hundreds of years ago. Jinx is one of the smartest characters who does invent some pretty amazing things and she’s quite literally haunted by the people she killed. Vi is trapped in the past and doesn’t want anyone to change, she wants Powder back and in season 2 doesn’t want Caitlyn to change.
In ep 9 Jinx refused to make a choice. She offloaded the final choice to Vi. Then Caitlyn hijacked it and held her up. Once the final decision came up, it was all up to Powder/Jinx. She designed everything to not be her choice, and yet it boiled down to her choice anyways.
Silco kind of made a choice, which forced her hand.
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Right like I'm so tired of these clickbait thumbnails. The video turns out to be good, but the thumbnails nearly stear me away from giving the video a chance.
The thing that made you click.
A partial truth
This was a pretty good breakdown for a 1st/2nd watch through, unfortunately I've been hyper-fixated on this show for 3 years, watched it dozens of times, and seen a million video essays, so a lot of this I've already heard before or disagree with. Still enjoyed the video though, you guys are great.
We're about 2 years late to the party, so that's understandable 😂 Glad you still enjoyed it, and hopefully our Season 2 breakdown will be soon enough that we get the fresh first take on a lot of stuff 😉
@@FrameOfMindBros Lol ya, when I say hyper-fixated I mean like straight up obsessed, so you had a pretty big pile of thoughts to compete with.
@@gaara_of_the_desert1118 So what will happen in episode 7
Hey! Small correction / note about the visuals used at 11:11 - I'm 99.9% certain the Tracer animation is hand animated, as is all the animation in overwatch (both in game and cinematics). I believe the motion capture performer in this clip is doing a sort of reverse engineering / cartoony acting kind of exercise (which she is very good at!).
I expect a lot of people would have the same reaction as Jordan when hearing there's no motion capture in arcane so I think worth mentioning that if it WERE motion captured, the animators still would have had to have done a LOT of creative work to get the animation looking the way it does!
Love what you guys are doing! Keep it up!
Ahhhhhhh, you could be VERY correct on that. Apologies if we managed to choose an example that actually DOESN'T show what we're talking about 😅
Stoked you like the episode! 🙏🙌
@@FrameOfMindBros No worries! I'm glad you guys are putting effort in to actually show examples of what what you're talking about in the first place!
If I may be even more annoying... What Curtis is referring to as "rigging" here is actually just "posing" or "animation". Rigging is the process of adding a skeleton and controls to a character that allow the animators to deform and pose them. Much like adding strings to a puppet or the armature inside of a stop motion character. You can see the rig controls around the character in the clip at 11:51.
What Curtis describes about animators sitting at their desks and feeling out the motion and performance is 100% accurate and very common for most animated shows. I animate for kids TV where the budget is much much lower, we don't use reference footage much so we will often act stuff out at our desks or make sound effects to get the timings right! So I super appreciate the research that went into this section!
Cheers!
In a world where so many artists are upset/anxious/angry about Ai. It’s extremely cool to see a show that still cares SO MUCH about animation. The ART of animation to tell a story. That doesn’t cut corners. Doing an AMAZING job. And showing exactly why human creativity will always be valuable.
I know what you mean, really great to see. I actually think as AI gets more popular there will be an increased demand for “human authentic creation” , fingers crossed 🤞🏻
As someone who suffers from Borderline Personality Disorder, I find I relate with Jinx and she brings me some comfort.
It is the section in which you were discussing the world beating an identity on you and how it causes fractures, mixed with her intense emotions, self destructive tendencies, fear of abandonment, people pleasing tendencies, and erratic haunting thoughts of worth and strength. Feeling defeated and hopeless and utter incapable of doing anything. Everything you do goes wrong and you feel like a burden or curse.
That’s how I feel and she makes me feel like, like even in my madness and destruction. I can still find joy in life and I can still find ways to shine. But it hurts. It hurts so much. So watching the show, I had visceral reactions seeing her cause I know her pain. Her delirious repetitive self destructive thoughts and feelings so strong they hurt. I also feel so fractured. So out of touch with reality. So dissociated. So jaded and defeated. I try to combat all worst of me. But I just get more tired.
Either way.
I am happy to have Jinx. To see someone feel like I do.
12:30 this is actually a very common "practice" that a lot of animators and artists do, and I use quotation marks bc most of the time is not intentional.
This type of thing can also be extended into other type of movements such as dancing, singing, writing, drawing a gun, etc. It helps not only to understand how the movements work and how to translate them into the media but also for *character acting*, acting out what the character will say and do gives the animator/artist an insight into that character's mind and how they're feeling which makes the end result feel more emotional and true and thus more impacting to the viewer.
Animation students may have a theater or acting class precisely for this reason
DONT FORGET THE FIRELIGHTS AND EKO. you should look into them. they break every rule everyone else follows and do what the people actually need
TRUE! Yeah sadly we touched on them a little bit but had to cut it out 😢 There's only so much time even keeping 1h30m 😅
The thing is, Jinx just sort of gaslighted Vi in that tea party. She TOLD Vi that 'you can't accept me as Jinx' but she never gave Vi a CHANCE to do that... and instead drove a hard wedge between them... essentially FORCING Vi to side against her. Vi never has any agency at all, any time she tries to take some and make a better world with it, it's stolen from her, while Jinx has nothing but agency and consistently uses it to destroy.
I think she actually did try to give Vi a chance, in a somewhat mentaly broken way she actually tried to force her to accept jinx. She shows Vi the 2 chairs and tells Vi that if she wants powder back she needs to shoot caitltyn. To me as someone with mental issues its a nondirect way to ask her, because jinx knows what there relationship (she says girlfriend) is and that Vi wouldn't kill caitlyn. However as it goes Vi (understandbly) misunderstands and just say's I can't. to Jinx its a rejection of who she is now.
@@lastthing8173 I mean... 'kill someone perfectly innocent for me or it means you refuse to accept me' is gaslighting... you don't have to KNOW you're gaslighting someone to be doing it. Jinx isn't of sound mind, we UNDERSTAND why she's doing the things she's doing thanks to Arcane being the GOAT of character development, but that doesn't make the tea party any less of a massive gaslighting endeavor... I'm just pointing out that I think Vi doesn't get the sort of sympathy and empathy she deserves. She really has NO CHOICE but to do most of the things she's forced to do throughout the series. She's the sister with Agency in Act 1, and essentially the entire rest of the series she's desperately trying to claw it back so she can effect some kind of beneficial change... and it's constantly CONSTANTLY stripped away from her by characters who glean their own agency to do WRONG by taking hers away.
When Jinx initially saw Vi again, she was happy. It was when Cait showed up that triggered her even more. Their whole childhood was a nightmare because of the very same people Caitlyn represents, so of course, in the eyes of Jinx, she felt betrayed by Vi not only once but twice.
@@wrbk19 well jinx is still old enough to understand miscommunication is a thing and she should let vi speak up.
im so sick and tired of people bashing on vi who had to be the older sister at the young age protecting powder and gets locked up for 5 years.
Meanwhile Silco is feeding jinx's worst traits and people act like Vi created Jinx.
She did not btw. Vi just keeps telling herseft that because she was locked up for 5 years and saw what her sister has become.
Blame Silco and Jinx instead of Vi who has no business on her current iteration. She cant go around and blame her sister for everything.
God forbid a child makes a mistake and breaks her stoic character for a split second after her own sister kills the entire gang and father figure and gets kidnaped the second she clears up her mind.
Jinx is the textbook example of boy/girlfriend who has infinite scenarios playing inside their head to gaslight you.
the fact that Jinx actually Vi is a psycho (season 2 ep 5) is insane and delusional.
@@wrbk19 This explains why JINX believes what she believes... it doesn't change the realities of what she does to Vi, or how Vi is suffering because of what the world is forcing her to do. It does not change that Jinx's tea party was entirely unfair, and gave Vi no REAL chance or agency to affect a change. Jinx brought everybody to that table to affirm herself as who she was going to be, with no thought or consideration of how she was going to do that... or what it would do to the people she kidnapped and forced to be there... and because of that she lost EVERYTHING at that teaparty. She lost her dad, by killing him, and she lost her sister, by forcing Vi to side against her.
18:00 great breakdown and great question to get the mind turning to get to the creators intent.
Thank you! 🙏
THIS PODCAST NEEDS MORE ATTENTION!
Glad you think so 😁🙏🏻
Just discovered this video/channel while looking for Season 2 reactions and I loved every second of this video! You both know what you are talking about and you are also very pleasant to listen to - can't believe you aren't even at 10k subs with the amount of quality you deliver!
Seeing it's a new video talking about Season 1 I just hope we won't need to wait as long for your Season 2 review! Lots of love from Germany :)
Vielen dank!! ❤️ Seriously that is so kind of you, we really appreciate it ☺️
Idk if anyone’s mentioned in the comments and I haven’t finished the full video, but when you talk about the structure of Piltover and Jayce, and Zaun being more organic and Zaun’s connection to Viktor, it’s also reflected in the types of magic they use. Jayce uses hextech in tools that he designed and built, whereas Viktor uses the chaotic hexcore. And later when it’s theorised that magic could get annoyed at being confined, used and abused, and could choose to turn against them, that’s sorta like topside and the undercity too. Again, sorry if this is obvious or discussed already🙈
I think that's a really great way to put it!! There's absolutely a reflection in each characters' personality, perspective and background in the way they wield magic.
"Mylo was right" - and Powder's eyes widen in horror, Powder realises, closes her eyes and internalises what was said - cognising it like taking a mental snapshot.
That heart wound hit harder than the slap.
As someone completely new to the LoL universe, I was appreciative of the first few episodes, explaining some of the characters background. It is important that creators do that if they want to appeal to an even larger audience and pick up the people like me, who may only click on it for obscure reasons and then invest in it. I am now hooked and am ready to really go look at the rest. Funnily, my father is one of the biggest comic book/gamer/anime participants I know and has been trying for YEARS to get me to look. This is the one that did it for me!
How can this have so few likes? This analysis is very interesting and pleasant to hear :) felt very relax and happy while having you guys on the background. Keep it up!!
Thank you so much 😄 Glad you enjoyed it! 🙏 Thankfully a few more people have liked it since you commented. Thanks for being one of the first to the video! 🎉
Very well edited, I'm taking notes
Thanks so much 🙏🏻 that means a lot!
“I thought I saw her on the trailer “
“You did not” -enemy sound in the background-
“That might be true”
“It is not” -enemy sound in the background again-
I choked laughing 😂
So glad you appreciated that little edit 😉
I got into Arcane because for a really long time I've loved game lore and league had such a fun artstyle with cool characters, so Arcane was my intro to the lore. I'm a Jinx main
I watched a video for 1 hour and 27 minutes without looking at my phone, which is rare for me.
Honestly, that's one of the biggest compliments you could have given 🙏 Super stoked you enjoyed it that much! We'll work hard to make sure our Season 2 review is just as good 😉
55:42 “chaos. Two sides of the same coin.”
Such a good line!
I've been searching for a video about Arcane like this. A super deep-dive on almost every scene. Well done
Thanks so much! We're trying to make super-deep dives our thing ☺️
Please keep talking about the framing of this show like you did with the Vi/Vander Bridge talk!!
Also would love you both to discuss Silco has a human (not the antagonist)
Sounds like that’s right up our alley 😁 looks like Season 2 will hopefully give more of the human side of Silco as well to dive into 💁🏼♂️
WOW great video guys ! What superb quality from such a small channel
Thank you so much! ❤️
Is that a nature vs nurture moment? For Powder being raised in Zaun and feeling out of place vs her possibly being better suited to piltover?
That's certainly a good way to frame it. People sometimes think about those two elements being an either/or decision, when really it's probably more accurate to look at what elements of your natural inclinations present themselves and how they interact with your current environment. How those two things react to one another can have a huge impact on how a person is forged over time.
Ohh man... already know this one's going to be the best one yet in the worst way possible. Much love ♥
Thanks! 🙌 We managed to hold it together this episode 🥲
@@FrameOfMindBros Just shouting you out for another amazingly engaging episode! Clever choice for lighting in the background as well, intentional or otherwise haha!
Surprised they didn't touch on the fact that the guy who's lived 100's of years ends the season with "the boy who shattered time" as is ekko's title
I LOVE your content guys, an hour goes flying by, it's careful observation, I love when you agree on opinions and when your opinions differ, it's a delight.
I really have to say though... those clickbait thumbnails are really annoying, I've been about to hit don't recommend and then I check who it's from and I think "wait, I trust these guys".
The clickbait contradicts the fact that you guys really dive into things and have nuanced thoughts. And I get clickbait = well.. clicks... But you guys have good content that can stand on it's own two legs.
Oh I'm loving this episode! Hope you have fun with Arcane S2, the show is a banger for sures
Also I hope to see more of Arcane analysis on this channel
Oh you can expect a full Season 2 review once the final episodes come out 😉 We're filming it the day after the final episodes release, so be on the lookout in the near future
Yoooooo your predictions were so on point, great job
Thanks! Let's see if everything ends the way we think with these final few episodes 😅🤞
I really enjoyed this video a lot, can't wait to hear your thoughts on season 2! And as for your thoughts on Jinx, I think you are right on the money especially with some of the think Christian Linke has said. Arcane sadly is mostly a tragedy in progress, the people who know of the lore may have an idea towards what kind of ending the series is heading, its gonna have a conclusion but I feel not a happy resolution, a lot of conflict that still exists for the current canon as far as we know. Maybe some differences here and there but still carrying us towards that I believe, especially in regards to the character of Jinx and her inability of escaping the identity of her name, whether she is directly involved or not, she just cannot escape the pain, and conflict that those cruel realities bring, tragedy. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't..
Great episode as always! Hope you are enjoying season 2!
Thanks! 🙏 you too! Can't wait for the final episodes so we can do a FULL deep dive!
There's a lot of subtext in the "he didn't make Jinx, you did" scene leading to many interpretations. I think the writers want to explore Jinx's perspective rather than presenting an absolute statement on her character. She explains how Silco pushes her to be Jinx, to be what they fear. but "he didn't make Jinx, you did". then she tells Vi it's her voice pushing her and keeps her going. She is thanking Vi almost, you are the reason I want to be Jinx, it's not because of Silco, it's you. To Jinx being Jinx is a good thing, Jinx is strong and competent while powder was weak and useless, which of course Vi couldn't understand and think she's being blamed because she took that explanation literally much like most of the audience
It's a great point. Maybe in Jinx's mind it's not Vi saying "you're a jinx", but her saying "what makes you different makes you strong" that keeps pushing her. One of the signals of great writing is when you have these moments where you can take one statement and spiral off into so many ideas and reflections on the story and the characters 👍
"The final trauma that broke the Traumatic Camel's back." 😭😭
Just call me Shakespeare 😂 glad you liked the line as much as me 😉😭
Just to chime in on your art discussion. As an artist, I feel like a lot of us do that. While we're making a piece (in whichever medium) we make the face we're creating. To really get inside the headspace of whichever emotion we're trying to convey until we feel like its looking into a mirror. At least that's how I approach it anyway, haha.
Also talking about Jinx/Harley, I'm so GLAD they wrote her this way. So many people love Jinx/Harley because its very 'manic pixie dream girl'. They're so, as you said, chaotic and people find that attractive. However, if you brought them into real life, it would look like this! And it's not attractive, it's painful and upsetting, and most people wouldn't want that in their life 24/7. It's too much. So I really appreciated how much depth they gave her. She's not lol random, she's deeply disturbed and its not cute.
Great Video! I just wanted to clarify somehting that was said: "ASD" is included on the list of disorders which long haired man (I'm so sorry , IDK your names as of yet) argues Jinx presents a mish-mash of the symptoms/traits of. I wanted to check that you did in fact mean Autism (which I do indeed agree with) and not Anti social Disorder, which is officially abbreviated to ASPD but I could totally see easily slipping up and saying ASD; especially bc society doesn't normally call it either "Autism Spectrum Disorder" or "ASD."
Thanks! So glad you liked it! Maybe there is some confusion, at 38:17 is when I think are referring to, but the abbreviations weren't used, instead "Anti Social Disorder" was stated. You're correct that we in fact did not mean Autism. Was there a different timestamp that you might be referring to instead?
If either of you have any philosopher friends, I noticed several moments when I would have loved to hear a philosopher's take
Season 2 seems to be answering a lot of your questions. Especially Jinx and Jayce.
Cant wait until you do a video on season two!
We can’t wait either 😁 we’re already starting on it 🫡
The chain reaction goes back even further really because if Ekko hadn't given Vi the tip about the lab they wouldn't have gone and if Jayce had picked a different shop (Or had the common sense awareness to not throw his money around so flippantly in zaun ) then Ekko wouldn't have even known about the lab. And If Caitlyn's family wasn't funding Jayce's illegal experiments then Jayce wouldn't have had the resources to throw around.
Damn great analysis boyz. Subbed
Thanks so much! Stoked you liked it! 🙏
This is so good, thanks
Thank you so much! 🙏
1:13:15 > The interesting thing is, I'd go even further than this :
The tip wasn't just happenstance, it came from Ekko (working for Benzo) who saw Jayce getting stuff from the shop.
Piltover fear of magic made Jayce, who wanted to research hextech, go to a shop in the undercity to get stuff for his research, leading to little man giving the tip to Vi and crew. And everything after this goes full circle to Jinx using hextech as a weapon against Piltover.
Also > the idea of Jinx's identity being beaten into Powder rings so true it's painful, but I disagree about her "choosing" to be Jinx at the dinner.
She never had any choice, when she gave the options, Silco took the choice from them trying to kill Vi. The choices were : either choose Silco and become Jinx voluntarily, or save Vi, kill Silco and lose a(nother) father figure from her own hands, once again pushing her towards the Jinx persona (which probably was the last straw on her already fractured psyche).
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Interesting thing about the idea of Powder/Jinx struggling with identities that have been imposed on her. In Season 2 she gets two new ones, both probably much more healthier for her. Big Sister Jinx, and Jinx the Symbol of the Resistance.
@1:13:30 ok, so basically Echo is the bad guy because his tip caused the entire show's events 😂
Maybe not the bad guy…but definitely the reason 😂
I'm not sure what made this click, but I feel like I have to share this theory somewhere before part 3 cones out.
This show is all about parallels, symbolism and cycles. Jinx has blue hair, Vi has red hair. Jinx and Vi's mother has blue hair, their father has red hair (maybe this isn't confirmed yet).
Jinx's mother dies on the bridge at the hands of enforcers, Jinx intends to die on the same bridge by simular means.
Where is their father? His body is never shown. My theory: Vi's and Jinx's father is alive in piltover, mirroring the siblings' own life paths.
Season one is contrast, Seaon two is similarities, this series his a masterpiece about coexisting.
True! Can't WAIT for the final episodes to be released to confirm all this 😄
While I'm still enjoying season 2 a lot, I think that it's missing a lot of this thematic, character-based storytelling. Introducing the Black Rose, Wild Runes, and Noxus as the plot drivers has robbed a lot of the characters of their interesting personal conflicts and motivations and the themes that the first series did so much to explore. It feels less like a character drama and more of a marvel movie now.
Oh we will have LOTS to talk about in our Season 2 review 😄 I'll wait till the final episodes come out though before passing judgement, but I can understand exactly where you're coming from
I think Jinx as a character is so beloved because of two main factors.
1. Because she's somewhat more relatable. Vi as a character feels a bit more neutral to her emotions, while Jinx is all out. At the point of despair. We've all been there to some extent, and we feel wth her and it resonates with how it feels to be on the verge of breaking down.
2. Because it's just part of human psyche to want to save her. The same way we feel for a wounded animal. You're caught partially enjoying watching the chaos unravel, but at the same time you just want to give her a warm hug and tell her it'll be ok. And this is probably only the case because of the first few episodes of Powder. Knowing how fragile she is, and not inheritely evil.
On top of that, the way they made Vander really amplifies this, he was the one who could save her.
His role is so crucial to everything that happens with Powder and Vi
I've never watched any of your videos before, and im really glad i ended up here. Great dynamic with two very different perspectives.
Thanks for a great watch
the thumbnail is so weird
Why exactly?
There isn't one bad sister, we got to understand that vi was also a minor when this happened. That day she lost 2 best friends/brothers and her father and her emotions are going crazy. When you loose someone very close people even adults try to find someone to blame when she realizes powder was the one responsible for the explosion that basically ruined the escape plan and caused so much devastation she lashed out, im not saying it was the right thing to do, but seeing the context of the scene it's understandable why she reacted the way she did. And we all know she didn't abandon powder, after she hit her immense guilt cane over her for what she just did and said, so she removed herself from the situation before she reached more. Unknowingly doing something that would scar powder, thinking she was being abandoned, we all know the reason vi didn't come back is because she was kidnapped and sent to prison.
I actually agree with you 😄 The thumbnail isn't meant to say 1 is objectively good and the other is objectively bad, I think that title can be swapped back and forth between them at different times in their story. They both have good and bad elements of them as characters and in their relationship to each other. Thumbnail was meant to provoke thought rather than to state a fact we think is objectively true
@FrameOfMindBros i understand ive just seen people online saying vi is a bad sister, and how jinx is a better sister in relation to isha, which to me isn't a fair comparison since 1 they are both different people and like a mentioned before vi (in the scene she gets the most hate on aka the slap) is a minor dealing with a lot of stress and loss, vs jinx who is older and the moments we see with isha there is not an equivalent point of stress/loss just wholesome sisterly bonding
1:13:14 It's all Ekko's fault then since he is the one that gave them the tip to rob Jayce's apartment lab, which is interesting considering his powers in the game (time related), it makes me curious how they will utilize those in the final act of S2 ... are they bold or crazy enough to make him erase everything from the point of incident or will they go another route XD
bro I think resetting the timeline would be so interesting. But it would make it hard to get the character into the same as the champions in the game. In all reality they’ve left so much up in the air, it’s scary.
For me the ‘you made jinx’ scene is probably true because as you said it acts as the final catalyst for powder to internalize the identity of jinx and whilst yes Milo does technically act as a activation event for the beginnings of powder as a jinx. I’d argue without VI’s agreement in that conclusion, jinx would have never been created. It is Vi who created jinx because that was the person who held the most important opinion to powder, when Milo says she’s not ready powder is annoyed but she doesn’t have an emotional breakdown because its Vi opinions that matters. it’s Vi who gets her to jump from the roof in the Heist, it was always Vi for Powder because there’s where her obsession lies. Another thing whilst I agree I don’t think Powder was set to be Jinx I do think we get some hints that Powder isn’t stable even as a child, her attachment style is unhealthy honestly it appears to be an insecure attachment type, particularly insecure-resistant I would assume for both the anger but relief in reuniting with Vi. Honestly from the start I think she has abandoned issues which doesn’t mean she was set up for the start to have to have such severe mental problems but I do believe she had a vulnerability to develop some said characteristics we see later down the line. That’s just my observation from the influence of my opinion.
Hey I hope this doesn't come off as rude but multiple personalities disorder is now considered DID or dissociative identity disorder. The disorder is also more about dissociation and the way personalities are not fully developed due to repeated truama. The way it was described in the video i feel wasn't accurate and feeding into the misinformation about DID.
Amazing vid guys! Love the analysis and now I can't unsee all the excessive saliva 🤣
Haha, neither can we! 😂 Glad you enjoyed it!
Arcane is good because it is good. I am glad people who can't understand this need a video to tell them why it is good. They watch it and then need something more than their own brain and thoughts to explain it to them. Same as people who need to be explained why food is good or anything is good. Sad they can't see it or feel it themselves but glad those lifeless people have something to turn to.
holy shit hearing their predictions abt caitlyn after watch s2 act1/2 😭😭😭 you have no IDEA bro
Oh…we were so happy when we saw that 😂 glad we managed to get that one correct
The question of political leanings was also something that was on my mind when I first came across the phenomenon of people championing Jinx's character. I myself am a conservative man and identify the strongest with Vander an Vi's portrayal as guardians and caretakers. Always trying to take on the hurt and the pain the world throws your way head on as to not let it affect the ones you try to protect and rather suffer on your own. Without recognition or thanks given from the ones you protect. And I cannot find myself rooting for Jinx in the slightest. So I wonder, if one can already see a distinction in people with different political leanings in the way they are drawn to these characters? Also a funny thing about the creators political leanings: Christians last Name "Linke" literally means the "Left" (die Linke) in german.
Tf is that thumbnail tbh
VI doesn't completely change sides. Theyre all anti Silco from the start. Shes not anti top side. She just wants better for the lanes and wants topside to suck less towards them. Jinx however DID change sides. Jinx became what they were all always against. So even going after Jinx is a symptom of JINX changing sides NOT an indication Vi does. Vi has some opinions change but Vi is one of the few characters who undergoes absolutely 0 character alterations
You thesis is based off the audience buying your willful misinterpretation. Interesting to think about these things but if you got that Vi "switched sides" even by putting the badge on"it was conditional, she still got to be her own person unlike real cops who lose wll agency as individuals on the job in theory. What i mean is no one, even Ambessa or a council member is expecting Vi to do shit she's against as an enforcer.
So in short, no, youre wrong
Very odd to get such a clear thing wrong as a professional honestly. Arcane is not nuanced in what it tells us. It doesnt do it with exposition but its very direct and like a hammer to the head with its delivery there is no chance you believe your interpretation over what i have just said because they arent ambiguous at all
perfectly said
But Vi does start out as very much anti-top side. In fact, she is anti-top side way before she can be anti-Silco, since she doesn't even know about the existence of Silco in the beginning. So if anyone is wrong in their interpretation, it's you.
Edit: and they also base their point about Vi completely changing sides on the original lore, from which we know where Vi is supposed to end up by the end of series and there she has been the mascot for police brutality for a very long time. Even if they end up changing that, you can't really blame them for doing their research.
the thumbnail is driving me INSANE. I get that it's probably clickbait, but the idea that Vi is the "bad sister" because one really bad interaction permitted circumstance to almost LITERALLY tear them apart is driving me crazy. The expectation that the elder sister should behave perfectly rationally and be accommodating to Jinx's distress when Vi is the one that watched her world fall apart firsthand in there is so frustrating I never even know where to begin.
yall should do a colab with cinema therapy
That would be super fun 😄
So i have a theory, Lil man gave them the place to rob in piltover in season 1 ep 1, and we know lil man is Ekko...Ekko has time manipulation abilities...what if Ekko left a clue for his past self Lil man in order to create this chain event
Jinx story is the perfect example for Howard Beckers Labelling Theory .
Oooh that sounds fascinating! 🤩 what's the basic premise of Labeling Theory?
I would have been willing to follow you guys and stuff if my first impression wasn't the shitty clickbait thumbnail you guys used, knowing how much some people in the fandom hate Vi (and the people who like Vi) just because they can (without really thinking it through), doing this is completely wrong... and so unnecessary if you know your content is good
You realize thumbnails are designed to be reactionary so you click right?
Exactly. The hate on Vi is so forced it's RIDICULOUS.
Glad to know you guys are going to annalyse season 2 too. I'm personally very mixed about s2, which says that for me is not as good as s1. And yes, expectations had a lot to do with as you say. Just like you pointed out on the video, Vi is the main character when you look at screen time, but narrativelly, there is no arguing it's Jinx, it's all about her. And that's the point that is catching me the most. Vi is my absolute favorite character of the show, and thro those 3 years there has been some teasers and interviews for season 2, and one of the things that was teased a few times and told to us once was the this season was going to be more Vi-centered instead of Jinx-centered (I assumed it about the character exploration and agency on the story), it got me really, really hyped! And so far I don't few it delivering it at all.
Still an incredible, cativating, amazing show, but I feel it has way more problems with it's story telling and character development in general than season 1, and this other problem I pointed out being a big point of frustration to me. Still excited to watch the finale this weekend, and will be here to watch your guys talking about it in a few weeks
That’s a shame. I’m sorry you feel that way. Maybe it’s because I left my expectations extremely free and open as far as where it was going, but I’ve been blown away by season 2, especially with the Warwick stuff. Vi is also my favorite, but probably tied with Ekko which is why I’m particularly hyped for the final 3 episodes. I have a feeling Jayce could really compete as one of my favorites too.
@@BuddyChy Idk, Vi is one character I'm super attached too, I literally started playing league 10 years ago (thankly I don't play anymore) 'cause of her ans had aways liked her and hoped for Riot to actually goes foward with it's lore and give her more depth... It never hapenned... until Arcane came in. I know that I can be either expecting too much or having my vision clouded because of it. If anything this can come up as testment to how much great of a work they did? xD.
Idk, it's dumb. She is a really important character to me, and one I'll likely carry for the rest of my life. So probably I'm just suffering the hangover for inhaling all this copium and hopium (and, in my defense, part of it was gave to me by the writters really xD)
@ I usually take the words of people involved with any project with a grain of salt, not because I don’t trust them or think they’re lying, but because their perspectives are so different that what they usually mean is never what our imagination expects. I’m also someone who tends to buy in and accept something for what it is and patiently wait for it to play out before looking back with a more judgmental eye. Not to say I’m never disappointed, but I’m often more easily pleased.
When Jayce initiated the vote for heim-something i didnt like him (also, knowing the game is a cheat, that said not a bad thing just dont spoil it for me)
the first season was great, but the second actually got me to play LoL... one of the least recommended games by its community
Why does the filmmaker say “yes” to the psychologist talking about psychology as if he already has all this insight? I would have liked the guy to drop his ego a level and listen humbly to the psychologist. Would have made this thoroughly more enjoyable to watch.
Jordan's actually using a skill called Active Listening, where his 'yes' doesn't mean "I know", but it means "I'm following what you're saying Curtis". When I'm speaking I find it really helpful when he does it to keep the flow of conversation going 👍
just came here to say that this thumbnail is stupid (because it is wrong) and that I will not watch a video with this thumbnail.
Thank you for your comment 🙏🏻
51:31 What? No, it isn't. She starts stacking bodies, willingly and indiscriminately, in episode 4.
Here's a list of all the crimes Jinx committed throughout the entire series (so far):
S1E4:
5x homicides on the air ship.
Arson.
Terrorism (blowing up a building with people in it).
Grand larceny (stealing the gem).
S1E6:
Battery and attempted murder.
S1E7:
Terrorism, again. Carpet bombing the bridge. Who knows how many died.
Attempted murder, again.
S1E8:
Kidnapping.
S1E9:
Kidnapping, again.
False imprisonment.
Battery.
Homicide.
Terrorism. (Blowing up the council)
S2E2:
5x Homicides.
S2E3:
False imprisonment.
Torture.
Battery and attempted murder.
Terrorism. (Chemical warfare against Piltover).
Forgiving a monster? Yeah, I don't see it. If the show does forgive her, I'm gonna question the morality of the creators.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 out of every character in the show JINX is the “monster” here….???? You listed all these things without context and are just glossing over active war crimes committed by Piltover, and cait… alright bud it’s actually telling what side of history you’d stand on in various real world comparisons and that’s what’s questionable….
Slave rebellions were domestic terror. Native Americans scalping thieves was terrorism. Just throwing the word terrorism out without context is a literal propaganda tactic used by several countries and progressed by Hitler and his ministry of propoganda.
The FBI in the US was known to label activists as terrorists for the simplest of actions.
You should stop now while you’re ahead
You're typing out crimes without context and narrative explanation for those actions, one of these is also just self defense i.e her killing Smeech's men although you can argue that Smeech himself was very much a homicide given that he offered to stop.
But regardless within fiction itself, morality isn't the same as our reality. Jinx finding redemption doesn't translate to murdering those enforcers was good actually, it just means someone like Jinx can have a second chance at being a better person and that's literally with the power of love as cheesy as it is.
S1 is about what trauma and mental illness and a horrible environment can produce in a person culiminating in her bombing the council and s2 so far seems to be how far genuine and mutual non-toxic love can change someone in her relationship with Isha and reconnecting with Vi. This isn't a show with black/white good guys and bad guys and we're not going to get a resolution where the people who did bad things get due punishment.
@NoMustang273
"Without context or narrative explanation."
Yeah, I'm sure those enforcers pulling security at a festival that Jinx lured and bombed would feel so much better knowing she was just suffering from an inferiority complex and trying to prove herself to Silco by stealing the gem.
That totally justifies killing half a dozen people, and who knows how many wounded.
Or, how about the enforcers killed on the bridge? Those explosive firelights were just Jinx venting her frustration at her sister "lying" to her.
What are a few dozen corpses these days?
I like Jinx as character, not as a person. Having a shitty childhood is no excuse to commiting genocide and gassing an entire city.
Piltover has committed those same crimes against Zaun? Yes. No one's denying it. It doesn't make Jinx any better, let alone a hero.
@@brian0057 to Zaun it does in fact make her a hero…. She gassed piltover with their own poison after they used it to gas Zaun…. That’s on them and would be seen as justice to Zaun….
There’s full context to everything including the fact piltover is full of xenophobia and these enforcers hate zaunites because of all manner of discriminatory ideologies. As far as someone in Zaun is concerned they wouldn’t give a piss how many enforcers died if it stoped their oppression.
The bridge incident for example. She blew it up for whatever reason but timing is everything and because she did it AFTER piltover wanted to make examples and further oppress Zaun it was seen as heroism. Mind you she blew it up AFTER the enforcers came to blows against zaunites. And after most of the zaunites cleared it. Regardless they’d view her as a hero….
This is the reason why listing out actions perceived as terror acts and crimes by piltover doesn’t actually give context to the actual circumstances of these actions nor what the objectively meant to Zaun and other political elements ect
@@brian0057 When did she commit genocide? The Grey is depicted as non lethal in short term exposure. Jinx redirected what Cait had released and it had dissipated shortly. The damage done was relatively minimal. She could have done much, much more damage with traditional explosives combined with the gas and killed people but she just vandalises some buildings and makes some people sick for a short while.
If we assume any health complications were permanent, we have to assume Cait did the same and realistically she would have also hurt innocent Zaunites even if they only targeted chembarons given that we know they used it on streets, their factories have workers including children in them, their headquarters aren't neatly separated from civilian housing on top of being commercial centers where regular people would be employed or just doing business in general. It's a morally grey act and one Cait was forced to make but it's very much Jinx turning the same gray against them as a 'prank'.
I'm not saying Jinx is a good person. I'm just arguing that her having a "happy" ending (After Isha it'll probably be bittersweet) isn't necessarily justifying her actions. It's a story about complicated people. Vi chooses to put aside her grievances in Act 2 to reconnect with her and considers living with her. The story isn't really going to punish her for that decision realistically.
Also she's a child soldier and severely mentally ill. I personally feel that in the realm world it'd be very warranted to have her in a psych ward for the rest of her life considering her circumstances. She doesn't attack bystanders and all her victims have either been in direct opposition and/or politicians like the Council. Again, not justified but she very much doesn't just go after people randomly. Her enjoyment of violence seems to mostly stem from the chance of death.
Redemption within fiction usually relies on the character having a genuine change rather than purely reciprocal action equivalent to the damage done. I'd be much less sympathetic to her in reality and the people within the story like Cait and the Firelights have good reason to hate her.
She's also a victim of circumstance to the extent that her entire morality has been warped from a young age.
We're also never going to see Mel or Jayce or the Council in general pay reparations for their negligence of the Undercity. Similarly you can easily frame many of Jinx's actions as similar to freedom fighters in reality even if she herself doesn't care about the cause. Because the people who lead those kinds of movements are very often horrible people themselves.
It's just not the kind of story where you get a clear cut ending is my main point. It gives enough explanation and sympathy for Jinx's actions without painting her as an entirely good person and makes the status of our more moral characters like Vi and Ekko a little more dubious because they choose to still connect and maintain their relationship with her or Cait who ends up making decisions she never would have done earlier (using the Gray) as a consequence of Jinx's actions.
I wanted to watch, but your set up and attitude… nope!!!!
"Bad father figure in Silco"
Okay, so that seals it, these guys have no idea what they're talking about.
I'd argue that Vi DID make Jinx, not Milo. Powder never really seemed too phased by Milo complaining. She only seems to care when she misunderstands the conversation between Milo and Vi after the heist, when Vi tells her she's not ready, and when Vi hits her and calls her a jinx. What do you think?
Silco created and nurtured her psychotic episodes because it helps her be a better murderer. Blaming this on children is ridiculous. He's her adoptive parent.
Would be interesting to hear your opinion on the rather mystfying (to me) decision in S2 to take the "O.K. this is me, I'm going to break things" Jinx, to immediately a "BooHoo, Silco is dead, I have no purpose" Jinx. Seems rather odd that mental break led to nothing, in fact led her to do exactly the opposite of what Silco was trying to achieve, trying to get her to fight for (i.e. fight for Zaun). Seems psychologically odd, and a huge missed narrative opportunity. IMHO she should have spent act 1 of S2 acting out this battle with Piltover, before maybe taking the turn that Vander did by act 2
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This seriously suffers from a lack of season 2 analysis. It puts all of season 1 in a different perspective. Even the prologue.
We're just gearing up 😉 Season 2 analysis coming soon...
Season 1 was great.
Season 2 is shite.
Season 2 of Arcane is nowhere near as good as season 1 of Arcane. It's such a shame because season 1 is so good.
It's strange because we talked about that at the end of the episode...we both thought neither of us would like Season 2 as much just because our expectations are so high now. It's hard to look at Season 2 with objective perspective but can't wait to see how the final episodes finish 🙌
@@FrameOfMindBros I hope the final episodes are good too and I understand that I need to manage my expectations from season 1 so that I don't set myself up for disappointment in season 2. But it's hard to ignore some of the glaring flaws in season 2. I won't go into specifics so as to avoid spoilers but the main problems are rushed pacing, inconsistent character writing, unearned and flip flopping character development, and some scenes that undermine elements of season 1.
I disagree, S2 is just as good as S1 so far
@@Apfeljunge666 I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
@@edwardmillard4398it’s good in itself. But there’s a lot of lore being brought in that loses the show only people at times. It’s really minimal of an issue to me though. I also didn’t know how to feel about the music videos every episode but not because it’s bad. It’s just in comparison to season one it threw me off. But Alone this season is still epic in a way I haven’t seen in years