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This Video is nonsense. All of teh Events, Secret Invasion, Dark Reign, Civil War, SecretWars etc should have been like the infinity trilogy and overarching Arc like in the Comic Books! Thats why the first 3 phases were a sucess but they now rush it all!
They should hire anyone besides the people they’re hiring. Feige had success creating writers and directors with no experience into high profile names. The people he brought in for phase 4-5 have been so terrible.
im legit so so so confused why he changed it after it was SO PERFECT for up to 3 phases, u know how much movies that is in that period@@westcoastavenger
Frankly Secret Invasion should have been Captain Marvel 2. Carol isn't very familiar with Earth's super heroes so her having to figure out who's a Skrull would have been more realistic especially with a budget that would have let them use more high profile characters. Plus her versus Super Skrull would have been more epic. Plus they could have back doored the Fantastic Four's origin with Gravik's machine. "The Marvels" should have been the plot of Ms Marvel season 2.
@@loystonveigas9369Gravik's machine grants Skrulls powers. He had a database full of super human and alien powers. The extremists thing causes heat powers. Korg's powers were there which will be rock skin and super strength. Goot's powers grants stretching ability. Invsibility can be finagled from almost any source. Since humans don't have the ability to shape-shift it would serve the reason that if powers were granted buy the machine the person would only be able to phenotypically express one. These Powers could secretly be hidden with the characters until they go visit Nick Fury in space and then the Van Allen belt could activates them. But what do I know?
You came up with a better story than a bunch of Disney/Marvel writers did. Although I think almost anybody would have come up with a better plan than what they actually did.
I love this idea so much more than what they are currently doing. They got away from plotting out high points and focusing on character development in exchange for more content to milk their consumers. They could still adapt some of this idea to right the ship. Great job, Screen Crush.
Yeah it's really unfortunate because Shang-Chi was one of the better received projects post-Endgame, and he's not getting another movie until after Avengers: Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. Sure the director of Shang-Chi will be busy directing the next Avengers movie, but Marvel is not following-up on Shang-Chi soon enough. Iron Man in contrast, had a lot more appearances in a short amount of time after he was introduced.
@@JDRamos213 Not every hero has to be an Avenger, but in the MCU, the Avengers movies are the connective tissue and the major events. The MCU makes most of the heroes Avengers. Even Spider-Man and Black Panther are Avengers. And in the comics, Shang-Chi was also an Avenger as well as a member of quite a few other teams.
I think we'll see a lot more cross over stuff in phase 5, so, even though shang aint getting another movie for a while doesn't mean we won't see em for that entire time. The other thing is, just like the previous commenter pointed out, not every character has to be an Avenger. They're absolutely setting up more team movies, but different teams. I can admit phase 4 wasn't the greatest but, I look at it like they're starting from scratch again with a slew of new heros. Comparing phase 4 to phase 3 ain't fair, ya gotta compare phase 4 to phase 1, but even that ain't a one to one. I guess I'm just getting a bit tired of folk writing the mcu off as dead, when this new arc hasn't reeeaally gotten outta the gate yet. I'm sure by the end of phase 6 a lot of nay sayers will be eating their words.
Bilbo has a great line in The Lord of the Rings saying "Butter scraped over too much bread". I feel like that encapsulates Secret Invasion. A smaller story stretched over 6ish hours. Come to think of it, it describes The Hobbit film series as well. Peter Jackson should have been paying better attention.
Imo, secret invasion should've been a two film event with teases in 2-3 films prior in which one of them shows a skrull replacing one of our heroes like how captain America was replaced by a skrull in earth's mightiest heroes
he means "the new [character]" in a narrative sense. in the infinity saga, tony stark and steve rogers really were the 2 main characters. their comradarie, and later their conflict, is what tied the story threads together. of course, there were movies that had nothing to do with either of them (i.e the guardians and thor franchises) but they had their own individuals connections to the impending conflict (thanos for the guardians, the entire character of loki for thor) which ultimately led up to endgame, which is the finalization of rogers' and stark's character arcs.
I have to say that I like this idea much more than what we actually received, as it doesn't end with one brand new character seemingly being all powerful and going off to work for another shady individual. And having it be an Avengers film at least gives off some hope that when Kang shows up to lay waste to all, that he'll at least be met with some measure of a challenge instead of just mowing down the Avengers like what we're probably going to get in The Kang Dynasty.
I think we need to accept that the MCU up to End Game was a once-in-a-lifetime cinematic experience/story and that there is nothing they can do to recreate it or rival it. Trying to do it again is just a waste of time.
I do agree Secret Invasion should have been the closing movie for a phase (whatever phase), and developing the plot trhu said phase (letting us few, or most, characters are now Skrulls in different movies/tv shows). But I also liked the Disney+ series. No, I didn't said it was perfect. I didn't said you should like it because I liked it. I only said I liked it.
For the new Avengers, I nominate: 1. Nasty Canasta 2. Patrick Star 3. Wayne Knight (leader) 4. Sonny the Coco Puffs bird 5. A guy named Bob Getting the rights to all these characters may be difficult. Except for Bob, he's down for whatever.
Yes! Preach!! This is what I was expecting for the MCU. I’ve been saying for the past year that Marvels should be a show, and Secret Invasion should be a movie series. This is 100% what I wanted. I don’t even think the show runner read the comics.
I think the only thing that would stop a Skrull invasion being a major event is how easy it is to find out who’s a Skrull. Once the first Skrull is found out, the Avengers or Shield would likely have an immediate test to verify actual humans vs skrulls from then-on.
They could’ve kept most of their phase 4 slate with all the street level projects to lead up to avengers secret invasion, whilst still set up the multiverse on a smaller scale to be a big part of phase 5 and 6. This show should have been a nick fury show which would build to the avengers film, which it kinda did feel like set up
A+ Ryan. I’m steaming mad over here that Feige, Bergman, and Iger/Chapek didn’t have the foresight to put this into motion. I don’t even know if I’d tweak much with your idea (I might use it as an opportunity to post credit the Fantastic Four cast?). Great work as always. Now I’m going to use AI to create this movie and pretend it really happened 😂
Man, if you were the show runner for all of marvel things could be so awesome! It's a shame that this isn't going to be the plan. Great work Ryan and Doug, as well as the rest of your off screen team at screen crush.
See that's the biggest difference between hiring writers/directors that know and love and respect the comics. You don't need to copy what has been done but you need to know it well and why it is important to adapt the material correctly.
It would have been to make this during the blip timeskip... which would allow room for the confusion because we wouldn't know who actually got blipped vs who was a skrull...
Pretty sure it was mentioned somewhere that Secret Invasion was supposed to be a feature length movie but "Certain high up execs" decreed it be made into a lower cost streaming series to PUSH the Disney+ service. Cause we all know Execs ALWAYS have ONLY the best ideas to justify their out of touch salaries and such.
Wow! This is well thought out! I really like this lay out and line up! I hope they are doing something similar, or along the line of what you said at the end about not having scrolls and being more pointed to a multiverse direction.
I agree! I think it would've made a better movie! We definitely need to see the future team connect besides in Avengers 5. Also want to say i thoroughly appreciate the clip of Uruk-hai to represent Super Skroll creation !
THANKS for this, Doug and Ryan!!!! I agree with what you said about Avengers animation and "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." Your ideas are excellent but a) is waaay too expensive and b) would not build up Disney + :)
Oh my god this is what I’ve been so awesome! they could’ve had a Civil War scene with the new avengers, fighting the OG‘s, not knowing if it’s their friends! imagine Sam and Bucky having to fight Steve, or T’Challa‘s Black Panther dressing down Shuri for killing their mom!
This is literally what the MCU needs rn, a storyline like this would fill up and polish the current saga so well. Ig we gotta wait and see what they decide to do
I swear Kevin Fiege needs to bring you on staff. It literally bums me out that your ideas and “what if’s” are uniformly extraordinary and will never come to fruition. Oh well, Keep up the good work. I’m addicted to this channel now that the strike is on an poppin and there is virtually no tv or daily topical shows.
Agents of SHIELD already did all of this MCU stuff. Seriously under-rated and ill appreciated.. and honestly I prefer it over so much of the new 'cannon'.. they ripped, rode and returned through the time-lines.. it's better told in that show. Thanks for giving them recognition!❤
The Avengers animated series did a damn better job at the Skrulls invading earth. Not saying they should’ve copied that ear by ear. But get the overall plot from that, after Endgame we could’ve had the secret invasion saga leading up to Avengers 5. Then have it lead up to the start of the Multiverse Saga and Kang and Secret Wars…
I have started thinking of the Disney+ shows as transition vehicles for the films. However, the Skrull storyline isn't finished yet, as we know there are a million skrulls (minus Gravik, Telos, & a few more) out here in 616, and we know some are already world leaders. Perhaps the rampant paranoia is a good plot line for one of the upcoming films.👍🏾👍🏾
love love love this whole concept, its scarily practical how easy it would have been, and also a super entertaining video that I rewatched multiple times. Thank you!
This was very well thought out. Great job! I would def have been on board for a storyline something like this. Would have been a much better impact that the show we got, and then Maria Hills death wouldn’t have felt pointless, and would give us a better avengers connection.
This should have been an avengers movie where the new team teams up for the first time and since they don’t know each other they can’t trust each other. And Spider-Man shouldn’t be an avenger he’s a street level hero like daredevil
Ryan... I think we should get a petition going to have you and the team write for the rebooted universe after Secret Wars, or for its upcoming slate after the strike. This vision in your just created more intrigue about Secret Invasion than what we all recieved on Disney Plus
They could’ve had the current lineup of movies and shows and just include plot points of the skrulls taking over which should’ve concluded with the Secret Invasion Avengers 5 movie. They could’ve made Cap Sam a Skrull or even brought back Steve Rogers out of nowhere as a skrull, Wasp could’ve pushed Scott back into the quantum realm later revealed to be a skrull, happy hogan could’ve been replaced in spider man, department of damage control could’ve shown to have a skrull, Bruce banner (since he was restricting himself with the device) could’ve been replaced by a skrull, kingpin as a skrull after echo shoots him, Val, and maybe even Maria hill as her story seems cut short especially with how secret invasion turned out. It should’ve been built out through Phase 4 as a smaller conflict uniting the heroes while still building the multiverse for Phase 6. It’s so disappointing that although it’s okay to focus on the whole multiverse concept through the Saga, they still needed the Phases to build towards smaller conflicts as appetizers before Kang Dynasty and Secret Invasion.
I love this idea because it makes sense. Just like phase 1, they were setting up the avengers and ended the phase with an avengers movie. I do believe that marvel has lost their way due to rushing things, putting out too much content, and just not good writing in general. I hope Marvel cleans up their act and make me feel as excited as i was when the first avengers movie cam out or when thanos snapped or when they brought everyone back. I miss that from marvel and i believe they can do better
I’ve said it over and over in your breakdowns and theories you give the mcu too much credit. Everything you’ve ever predicted would have been so much better than what we got. 🍻
Its interesting how these team of new avengers would have had a theme conection to the skrulls core idea of replacing. As they all (aside from spiderman maybe) replaced or continued the mantle of other heroes, and watching them struggle with them carrying on an stolen mantle and the skrulls stealing that mantle to create chaos in the world they were sworn to protect. Sort of as the avengers not thinking themselves capable of stopping the first invasion but trying regardless. Idk, it would have been really cool imo.
Agreed we need a avengers movie now. Nothing is tied together. Just constant new stories with no follow up. It seemed like we had something in a post credit scene in shang chi but that was a super long time ago
Good ep recap here, but I’m wondering about something that was quite noticeable that you fail to mention here: what was with all that purple coursing through the trunk of that tall tree Kahhori & Atahraks climbed to get closer to the portal? Could that violet hue signify the presence of purple-heart herb or even traces of vibranium within that tree? It didn’t appear anywhere else in Sky World so I could be grasping, but I find that an odd choice of color to have present in a place thriving with Tesseract-blue.
Thats what I was critisizing the most about this. Secret Invasion shouldve been a huge storyline on the big screen, not shrunk down to this miniature size. Having Sam Wilson come out as a Skrull wouldve been HUGE. Such a wasted potential. THis is why id rather see the MCU in animated movies more. Bring huge storylines to the screen but animate it so you can actually do whatever you want and actually live up to the expectations.
Good job! Yes I think your story would have been super fun. At the same time, had the smaller story they were trying to tell stayed with a story about Fury and his friendship with Talos, and had the two of them outsmarted gravik in the end, I think the show would have worked. Having said that, I don't know the comics, so perhaps the secret invasion shape-shifting storylines call for a larger story. At the same time, who else but Talos was a friend of Fury's to explore that dynamic? Maria always felt more like an employee. Anyway.. rambling now... 😊
We all know the problem was Bob Chapek's rise to Disney CEO and his insistence on inundating the market with MOAR MARVEL to fill up Disney+. I do not ascribe to the philosophy that a buffet of mediocre projects is better than having a few, perfectly curated bites.
I feel like phase 4 should have been around exploring the aftermath of the blip and the skulls exploiting the vulnerable earth for that, going into secret invasion as you planned. Kang takes a side seat, like those little post-credit scenes that teased Thanos, and 2-3 projects (Loki, Antman, MoM?) Should have stuck to the multiverse concept. That way, we'd have a brief intro to cosmic and multiverse plotlines, while a nice secret invasion angle is explored through a couple of movies and TV shows. That'd have been so good
I agree that Secret Invasion should have been an Avengers thing, but if they gave a movie budget to a tv-show, and the fan base speculated the crap out of everything like Wandavision, it would have been much better than a one-and-done movie.
on the Disney Wish cruise ship, they had Scott/Ant Man, Hope/the Wasp, Sam/Captain America and Kamala/Ms. Marvel fighting Ultron , who had returned, he had a head with red eyes in the DDOC truck that Peter was in , in the movie, Spiderman Homecoming.
It would have even been fine to have a 6 episode mini series that leads up to a movie that concludes the conflict in order really get at the heart of the storyline.
The show is a starting point for Avengers-Secret Wars. Which could be a two part movie with more of those issues being showed in movies and series between those releases
For Pete’s sake Marvel you had a great story right in your face like this and, from what I’ve heard of the show, you blew it, something I would’ve been very interested to see is how Scott reacts to Hope being a Skrull like he figures it out and in the next fight scene he uncharacteristically goes nuts on a random Skrull in the fight or the one that took Hope’s place demanding to know where she is with someone like Spider-Man or something needing to hold him back, I mean we already know from Quantumania whenever Cassie would be hurt that Scott seems to be protective of the people he loves most so I’d be interested to see how that would’ve gone down
not only does Secret Invasion needed to be a movie, but just like Civil War, there should've been a phase dedicated to it considering how big the repercussions are
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Moon Knight should've been a movie.
The new average suck bad
Dang Ryan, Kevin fiege should call you for Marvel ideas, yours are better than theirs.
This Video is nonsense. All of teh Events, Secret Invasion, Dark Reign, Civil War, SecretWars etc should have been like the infinity trilogy and overarching Arc like in the Comic Books! Thats why the first 3 phases were a sucess but they now rush it all!
How many supplements and hangover cures does this joker take
Love the new concept you all have drawn up. The MCU team at Disney should be hiring you for story write ups
YESSS
They should hire anyone besides the people they’re hiring. Feige had success creating writers and directors with no experience into high profile names.
The people he brought in for phase 4-5 have been so terrible.
im legit so so so confused why he changed it after it was SO PERFECT for up to 3 phases, u know how much movies that is in that period@@westcoastavenger
For real bro💀💀 I was hooked
Totally agree, this would have made a better movie just like The Eternals should have been like a 6 part series
@anonbinarylemon1556 its called "Eternals", not "eternals"
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Bro casually wrote an insanely better secret invasion script than marvel themselves
And the actual writers want more money
@@Ivan_Ooze I think part of the problem is the writers are being made to churn stuff out quickly.
And of most of phase 4, too
they hire writers who didnt read comics, kevin feige said.
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Should Secret Invasion have been Avengers 5?
Ofc
im 50/50 on this
Yes. But they need to learn their old mistakes with Secret Invasion.
Heck yeah I didn't like how it was a 6 episode show I wish it was a movie because in the comics the avengers are part of the secret invasion storyline
No, get over it
Instead of the multiverse, this should have been the main idea after Endgame spread over the movies and tv shows.
Easily
Thank Disney for ruining Marvel from the start
Yup
Or instead of jumping 5 years to get to the end game show us skrull invasion in those 5 years
nah that would get old quicker than the multiverse stuff. We don’t need an entire marvel phase about skrulls lol
Frankly Secret Invasion should have been Captain Marvel 2. Carol isn't very familiar with Earth's super heroes so her having to figure out who's a Skrull would have been more realistic especially with a budget that would have let them use more high profile characters. Plus her versus Super Skrull would have been more epic. Plus they could have back doored the Fantastic Four's origin with Gravik's machine. "The Marvels" should have been the plot of Ms Marvel season 2.
Wdym by Fantastic 4 origin by Gravik's machine?
@@loystonveigas9369Gravik's machine grants Skrulls powers. He had a database full of super human and alien powers. The extremists thing causes heat powers. Korg's powers were there which will be rock skin and super strength. Goot's powers grants stretching ability. Invsibility can be finagled from almost any source. Since humans don't have the ability to shape-shift it would serve the reason that if powers were granted buy the machine the person would only be able to phenotypically express one. These Powers could secretly be hidden with the characters until they go visit Nick Fury in space and then the Van Allen belt could activates them. But what do I know?
You came up with a better story than a bunch of Disney/Marvel writers did. Although I think almost anybody would have come up with a better plan than what they actually did.
I'm actually even more sad that we won't ever see this dope story on the big screen
We just gotta wait for 50 years when they reboot the MCU and make a movie about it
@@AC-si2uu yup when I'll be happy to take my grandchildren then. Lmao
@@Gift_Salama I think I'll wait a little longer for it to come out on streaming cause I probably won't be able to walk or drive or speak
@@AC-si2uu Yup, when it's on Disney+ extra.
Skrulls are boring
Yet again Screen Crush has better ideas than the actual movies
This sounds soooo good. Definitely wish we’d gotten a secret invasion saga. There was so much potential that the show didn’t quite live up to!
Love how easily the story can be fixed, by simply one person, yet Disney lacks the feel to do that
I love this idea so much more than what they are currently doing. They got away from plotting out high points and focusing on character development in exchange for more content to milk their consumers. They could still adapt some of this idea to right the ship. Great job, Screen Crush.
What sucks is that it did a huge disservice to newer heroes such as Shang-Chi, Ms Marvel, Moon Knight, etc with the lack of an Avengers movie
Yeah it's really unfortunate because Shang-Chi was one of the better received projects post-Endgame, and he's not getting another movie until after Avengers: Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. Sure the director of Shang-Chi will be busy directing the next Avengers movie, but Marvel is not following-up on Shang-Chi soon enough. Iron Man in contrast, had a lot more appearances in a short amount of time after he was introduced.
Why does everyone think every hero has to be an Avenger?
@@JDRamos213 Not every hero has to be an Avenger, but in the MCU, the Avengers movies are the connective tissue and the major events. The MCU makes most of the heroes Avengers.
Even Spider-Man and Black Panther are Avengers. And in the comics, Shang-Chi was also an Avenger as well as a member of quite a few other teams.
@@matthewk4912 If he wasn't an Avengers before the end of Avenger Vol. One then he's nothing more than a participant trophy Avenger
I think we'll see a lot more cross over stuff in phase 5, so, even though shang aint getting another movie for a while doesn't mean we won't see em for that entire time.
The other thing is, just like the previous commenter pointed out, not every character has to be an Avenger. They're absolutely setting up more team movies, but different teams. I can admit phase 4 wasn't the greatest but, I look at it like they're starting from scratch again with a slew of new heros. Comparing phase 4 to phase 3 ain't fair, ya gotta compare phase 4 to phase 1, but even that ain't a one to one.
I guess I'm just getting a bit tired of folk writing the mcu off as dead, when this new arc hasn't reeeaally gotten outta the gate yet. I'm sure by the end of phase 6 a lot of nay sayers will be eating their words.
Bilbo has a great line in The Lord of the Rings saying "Butter scraped over too much bread". I feel like that encapsulates Secret Invasion. A smaller story stretched over 6ish hours. Come to think of it, it describes The Hobbit film series as well. Peter Jackson should have been paying better attention.
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Instantly getting goosebumps from the Fitz-Simmons LMD scene from AOS just shows how great it was!
Imo, secret invasion should've been a two film event with teases in 2-3 films prior in which one of them shows a skrull replacing one of our heroes like how captain America was replaced by a skrull in earth's mightiest heroes
Loving the AOS recognition in this post-SI discussion, cuz AOS deserves so much more credit
Louder! 👏🏼 for the people at the back!!
i'm rewatching shield at the moment and it is so damn good. season 4 especially.
I think it is a big error to treat the new Avengers as "the new Tony", "the new Steve", etc.
i think he just means who is going to fill the role of the leader/decision maker.
The new Avengers could never be Tony or Steve
he means "the new [character]" in a narrative sense. in the infinity saga, tony stark and steve rogers really were the 2 main characters. their comradarie, and later their conflict, is what tied the story threads together. of course, there were movies that had nothing to do with either of them (i.e the guardians and thor franchises) but they had their own individuals connections to the impending conflict (thanos for the guardians, the entire character of loki for thor) which ultimately led up to endgame, which is the finalization of rogers' and stark's character arcs.
I have to say that I like this idea much more than what we actually received, as it doesn't end with one brand new character seemingly being all powerful and going off to work for another shady individual. And having it be an Avengers film at least gives off some hope that when Kang shows up to lay waste to all, that he'll at least be met with some measure of a challenge instead of just mowing down the Avengers like what we're probably going to get in The Kang Dynasty.
Let’s be honest, they’ll defeat him with the power of friendship and feeling like pieces of shit.
You think mcu kang will mow down and lay waste? More likely they will dispose him the way they disposed him in Quantumaina
I just bought the comic to read and the way they adapted it was tragic one of the best stories I’ve read in a while
I can’t believe how badly they misused this story line… This could have been an amazing phase 5.
This is literally such an epic story, Is way better than what we actually got.
I think we need to accept that the MCU up to End Game was a once-in-a-lifetime cinematic experience/story and that there is nothing they can do to recreate it or rival it. Trying to do it again is just a waste of time.
I do agree Secret Invasion should have been the closing movie for a phase (whatever phase), and developing the plot trhu said phase (letting us few, or most, characters are now Skrulls in different movies/tv shows).
But I also liked the Disney+ series. No, I didn't said it was perfect. I didn't said you should like it because I liked it. I only said I liked it.
For the new Avengers, I nominate:
1. Nasty Canasta
2. Patrick Star
3. Wayne Knight (leader)
4. Sonny the Coco Puffs bird
5. A guy named Bob
Getting the rights to all these characters may be difficult. Except for Bob, he's down for whatever.
Yes! Preach!! This is what I was expecting for the MCU. I’ve been saying for the past year that Marvels should be a show, and Secret Invasion should be a movie series. This is 100% what I wanted. I don’t even think the show runner read the comics.
I think the only thing that would stop a Skrull invasion being a major event is how easy it is to find out who’s a Skrull. Once the first Skrull is found out, the Avengers or Shield would likely have an immediate test to verify actual humans vs skrulls from then-on.
They could’ve kept most of their phase 4 slate with all the street level projects to lead up to avengers secret invasion, whilst still set up the multiverse on a smaller scale to be a big part of phase 5 and 6. This show should have been a nick fury show which would build to the avengers film, which it kinda did feel like set up
A+ Ryan.
I’m steaming mad over here that Feige, Bergman, and Iger/Chapek didn’t have the foresight to put this into motion.
I don’t even know if I’d tweak much with your idea (I might use it as an opportunity to post credit the Fantastic Four cast?).
Great work as always. Now I’m going to use AI to create this movie and pretend it really happened 😂
What if they just use secret Invasion as a kickoff for the full story? Perhaps they will unfold more events and later movies and shows
So much has alrdy been used in the show sadly :(
Man, if you were the show runner for all of marvel things could be so awesome! It's a shame that this isn't going to be the plan. Great work Ryan and Doug, as well as the rest of your off screen team at screen crush.
See that's the biggest difference between hiring writers/directors that know and love and respect the comics. You don't need to copy what has been done but you need to know it well and why it is important to adapt the material correctly.
It would have been to make this during the blip timeskip... which would allow room for the confusion because we wouldn't know who actually got blipped vs who was a skrull...
It didn’t need to be a movie. It just needed to be done well. Or at least started in a show and spilled over into the movies.
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I'm not going to down this series. I see this being a bigger story. I'm going to trust Marvel to set up a big movie
Why Fan Fictions / Theories Are Always Better Than What We Actually Get
Pretty sure it was mentioned somewhere that Secret Invasion was supposed to be a feature length movie but "Certain high up execs" decreed it be made into a lower cost streaming series to PUSH the Disney+ service.
Cause we all know Execs ALWAYS have ONLY the best ideas to justify their out of touch salaries and such.
Wow! This is well thought out! I really like this lay out and line up! I hope they are doing something similar, or along the line of what you said at the end about not having scrolls and being more pointed to a multiverse direction.
I agree! I think it would've made a better movie! We definitely need to see the future team connect besides in Avengers 5. Also want to say i thoroughly appreciate the clip of Uruk-hai to represent Super Skroll creation !
in my opinion, it shouldn’t have been just a movie. it should’ve been a whole saga.
THANKS for this, Doug and Ryan!!!! I agree with what you said about Avengers animation and "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." Your ideas are excellent but a) is waaay too expensive and b) would not build up Disney + :)
I totally agree it should've been an movie secret invasion show has so much potential sad it didn't live up to its expectations.
Screen Crush: "This should have been a movie."
Me: This shouldn't have even been made.
Oh my god this is what I’ve been so awesome! they could’ve had a Civil War scene with the new avengers, fighting the OG‘s, not knowing if it’s their friends! imagine Sam and Bucky having to fight Steve, or T’Challa‘s Black Panther dressing down Shuri for killing their mom!
Thank you. I now consider your version as canon.
Jesus man Avengers EMH really deserves a season 3 ; Disney really dropped the ball with it
Holy cow, I wish the MCU could retcon to this amazing storyline you describe here.
6:29 Mark's response to Ryan's Comment 😂😂😂
This storyline gave me goosebumps I wish Marvel thought of this or something similar
This is literally what the MCU needs rn, a storyline like this would fill up and polish the current saga so well. Ig we gotta wait and see what they decide to do
I swear Kevin Fiege needs to bring you on staff. It literally bums me out that your ideas and “what if’s” are uniformly extraordinary and will never come to fruition. Oh well, Keep up the good work. I’m addicted to this channel now that the strike is on an poppin and there is virtually no tv or daily topical shows.
Berric Donderian did a excellent job in that opening monologue ............ SKRULLS
Get this man a [shield] writing contract!!
LMDs and the Framework was ingenious, glad AOS is getting so much love recently!
Agents of SHIELD already did all of this MCU stuff. Seriously under-rated and ill appreciated.. and honestly I prefer it over so much of the new 'cannon'.. they ripped, rode and returned through the time-lines.. it's better told in that show. Thanks for giving them recognition!❤
The Avengers animated series did a damn better job at the Skrulls invading earth. Not saying they should’ve copied that ear by ear. But get the overall plot from that, after Endgame we could’ve had the secret invasion saga leading up to Avengers 5. Then have it lead up to the start of the Multiverse Saga and Kang and Secret Wars…
I have started thinking of the Disney+ shows as transition vehicles for the films. However, the Skrull storyline isn't finished yet, as we know there are a million skrulls (minus Gravik, Telos, & a few more) out here in 616, and we know some are already world leaders. Perhaps the rampant paranoia is a good plot line for one of the upcoming films.👍🏾👍🏾
New Avengers WILL be Kang Dynasty. Plot.
love love love this whole concept, its scarily practical how easy it would have been, and also a super entertaining video that I rewatched multiple times. Thank you!
This was very well thought out.
Great job! I would def have been on board for a storyline something like this. Would have been a much better impact that the show we got, and then Maria Hills death wouldn’t have felt pointless, and would give us a better avengers connection.
This should have been an avengers movie where the new team teams up for the first time and since they don’t know each other they can’t trust each other. And Spider-Man shouldn’t be an avenger he’s a street level hero like daredevil
16:31 - I *still* get chills seeing this...
This would have been SO MUCH BETTER. When the strike is over, I expect you all to be hired by Disney/Marvel to help right the ship!
Ryan... I think we should get a petition going to have you and the team write for the rebooted universe after Secret Wars, or for its upcoming slate after the strike. This vision in your just created more intrigue about Secret Invasion than what we all recieved on Disney Plus
Thanks for the AoS shout! Small but active fanbase 💪🏽
They don't need to do a big reboot of the MCU, just the projects they messed up.
They could’ve had the current lineup of movies and shows and just include plot points of the skrulls taking over which should’ve concluded with the Secret Invasion Avengers 5 movie. They could’ve made Cap Sam a Skrull or even brought back Steve Rogers out of nowhere as a skrull, Wasp could’ve pushed Scott back into the quantum realm later revealed to be a skrull, happy hogan could’ve been replaced in spider man, department of damage control could’ve shown to have a skrull, Bruce banner (since he was restricting himself with the device) could’ve been replaced by a skrull, kingpin as a skrull after echo shoots him, Val, and maybe even Maria hill as her story seems cut short especially with how secret invasion turned out. It should’ve been built out through Phase 4 as a smaller conflict uniting the heroes while still building the multiverse for Phase 6. It’s so disappointing that although it’s okay to focus on the whole multiverse concept through the Saga, they still needed the Phases to build towards smaller conflicts as appetizers before Kang Dynasty and Secret Invasion.
I love this idea because it makes sense. Just like phase 1, they were setting up the avengers and ended the phase with an avengers movie. I do believe that marvel has lost their way due to rushing things, putting out too much content, and just not good writing in general. I hope Marvel cleans up their act and make me feel as excited as i was when the first avengers movie cam out or when thanos snapped or when they brought everyone back. I miss that from marvel and i believe they can do better
I’ve said it over and over in your breakdowns and theories you give the mcu too much credit. Everything you’ve ever predicted would have been so much better than what we got. 🍻
Damn, this is so good but so depressing at the same time.
Its interesting how these team of new avengers would have had a theme conection to the skrulls core idea of replacing. As they all (aside from spiderman maybe) replaced or continued the mantle of other heroes, and watching them struggle with them carrying on an stolen mantle and the skrulls stealing that mantle to create chaos in the world they were sworn to protect. Sort of as the avengers not thinking themselves capable of stopping the first invasion but trying regardless. Idk, it would have been really cool imo.
Agreed we need a avengers movie now. Nothing is tied together. Just constant new stories with no follow up. It seemed like we had something in a post credit scene in shang chi but that was a super long time ago
Good ep recap here, but I’m wondering about something that was quite noticeable that you fail to mention here: what was with all that purple coursing through the trunk of that tall tree Kahhori & Atahraks climbed to get closer to the portal? Could that violet hue signify the presence of purple-heart herb or even traces of vibranium within that tree? It didn’t appear anywhere else in Sky World so I could be grasping, but I find that an odd choice of color to have present in a place thriving with Tesseract-blue.
The only thing that sucks about this video is that Marvel didn't actually do something of this caliber.
Thats what I was critisizing the most about this. Secret Invasion shouldve been a huge storyline on the big screen, not shrunk down to this miniature size. Having Sam Wilson come out as a Skrull wouldve been HUGE. Such a wasted potential. THis is why id rather see the MCU in animated movies more. Bring huge storylines to the screen but animate it so you can actually do whatever you want and actually live up to the expectations.
Good job! Yes I think your story would have been super fun. At the same time, had the smaller story they were trying to tell stayed with a story about Fury and his friendship with Talos, and had the two of them outsmarted gravik in the end, I think the show would have worked. Having said that, I don't know the comics, so perhaps the secret invasion shape-shifting storylines call for a larger story. At the same time, who else but Talos was a friend of Fury's to explore that dynamic? Maria always felt more like an employee. Anyway.. rambling now... 😊
They should’ve used all the recasts like Hulk, War Machine, Spider-Man, and Ross as Skrulls since they’re so hard off of cameos now
Disney should start hiring you guys this story was amazing
15:46 would love to see a second video tackling this story
We all know the problem was Bob Chapek's rise to Disney CEO and his insistence on inundating the market with MOAR MARVEL to fill up Disney+. I do not ascribe to the philosophy that a buffet of mediocre projects is better than having a few, perfectly curated bites.
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I feel like phase 4 should have been around exploring the aftermath of the blip and the skulls exploiting the vulnerable earth for that, going into secret invasion as you planned. Kang takes a side seat, like those little post-credit scenes that teased Thanos, and 2-3 projects (Loki, Antman, MoM?) Should have stuck to the multiverse concept. That way, we'd have a brief intro to cosmic and multiverse plotlines, while a nice secret invasion angle is explored through a couple of movies and TV shows. That'd have been so good
I like that. Secret Invasion orienting everyone to earth and the avengers post endgame and other plots setting up the future.
I really like the Sam vs Bucky wearing caps suit and shield it’s so perfect
I agree that Secret Invasion should have been an Avengers thing, but if they gave a movie budget to a tv-show, and the fan base speculated the crap out of everything like Wandavision, it would have been much better than a one-and-done movie.
the 'rewrite' you came with around 8:30 is way better however that 'also' could be done through a tv show; that one needs 10 episodes tho
on the Disney Wish cruise ship, they had Scott/Ant Man, Hope/the Wasp, Sam/Captain America and Kamala/Ms. Marvel fighting Ultron , who had returned, he had a head with red eyes in the DDOC truck that Peter was in , in the movie, Spiderman Homecoming.
It would have even been fine to have a 6 episode mini series that leads up to a movie that concludes the conflict in order really get at the heart of the storyline.
Every end credit scene should've been skrull related. Utilizing the actors from each movie, and expanding the secret invasion.
BEEN SAYING THIS. Secret Invasion is such a big story a show couldn't do it justice without big names
That cut between Deadpool Wolverine and the 3 spiders was actually better than Secrete Invasion holy
This just makes me wonder what the original script for the show was before they scrapped everything
bravo!! I still mostly like the latest MCU projects but this would've been so much better, and addressed the main separation issue of this phase.
Phase 4 would’ve been a good slot for the overall secret invasion story instead we got what we got
this style of video is pretty different from the usual. But actually the enthusiasm and the story is actually intriguing i like it!
The show is a starting point for Avengers-Secret Wars. Which could be a two part movie with more of those issues being showed in movies and series between those releases
Oh yeah I do agree with you on Secret Invasion being an Avengers movie.
For Pete’s sake Marvel you had a great story right in your face like this and, from what I’ve heard of the show, you blew it, something I would’ve been very interested to see is how Scott reacts to Hope being a Skrull like he figures it out and in the next fight scene he uncharacteristically goes nuts on a random Skrull in the fight or the one that took Hope’s place demanding to know where she is with someone like Spider-Man or something needing to hold him back, I mean we already know from Quantumania whenever Cassie would be hurt that Scott seems to be protective of the people he loves most so I’d be interested to see how that would’ve gone down
this was infinitely better than what we've gotten out of P4/5 thus far
not only does Secret Invasion needed to be a movie, but just like Civil War, there should've been a phase dedicated to it considering how big the repercussions are
How it didn’t play out at little more like this is beyond me