its all about the meta. The actual story of the show doesn't matter, it only serves to present characters in scenes of action. The mystery box-presentation is the best solution for appealing to internet consumer culture which is where the money is. This show has never been made for rewatching or for finding any meaning, it is a pack of gum that you chew and spit out when the flavour is gone. And it bothers me.
Anceru, I couldn't have described this train wreck of a tv-show better! The heavy use of mystery boxes ruins the script completely because the writers have to concentrate on protecting the mystery, and they need to construct red herrings. But this means that there is no room for proper character developments. And after the second episode it wasn't even hard to guess that Halbrand should have been called HalRon! it was also fairly obvious that the meteor man is not Sauron but a good wizard and possibly Gandalf. Even without the Tolkien label the show is badly written and carelessly plotted.
Given what we've seen of Galadriel's character in ROP, I'm sure Celeborn is in hiding. Most likely he told her he was headed to the market for a pack of cigarettes and then never returned.
Lmao! He got the hell out of there! I like that she’s spent like a thousand years looking for Sauron, but doesn’t bother looking for her husband for like even a day!
*Newsflash for the writers (who seem to think Halbrand < > Sauron was a masterfully crafted secret) The ONLY reason why people were surprised was because they thought "There's NO WAY this show would make his identity so obvious from the very first episode!"
What's amusing is that they could have sort of made it into Game of Thrones Tolkien edition for there is some dark stuff and material for that, the politics, the struggles of the great leaders, kings and noble families, schemes of the master manipulator silver tongued magnificent bastard of a villain, treachery and deception...but they totally are unable to do it right and in following the Tolkien lore! :) I mean the court of Numenor of hte later period is full of intrigue! "Thereafter the fire and the smoke went up withing ceasing; for the power of Sauron daily increased, and in that temple, with spilling of blood and torment and great wickedness, men made sacrifice to Melkor that he should release them from Death. And most often from among the Faithful they chose their victims; yet never openly on the charge that they would not worship Melkor, the Giver of Freedom, rather was cause sought against them that they hated the King and were his rebels, or that they plotted against their kin, devising lies and poisons. These charges were for the most part false; yet those were bitter days, and hate brings forth hate."
The only way the Halbrand story makes sense is if he had a spy in Gil-Galad’s court and knew Galadriel’s reputation for impetuousness, planted the seed in GG’s ear that he needed to get rid of her, knew that she would jump off the boat, somehow mind controlled the southlanders on the raft into going along with his story, and created the storm that would push their raft in the right direction. He also had to believe that no matter how many times he said “no” Galadriel would push him to become king anyway. I think the writers’ master plan was actually Adar killed Sauron, Sauron generated the Halbrand body and back story to get away because he wanted to repent, he meets Galadriel by total chance. His will was so weak that he couldn’t hold firm to his repentance so much so that every time Galadriel pushed him back to his old life his lust for power reawakened bit by bit, and that it was actually his rivalry with Adar that finally convinced him to be evil again. Ie, he didn’t want the crown until a rival emerged and his ego took over. Problem is, it was so badly done that this subtle plot thread was completely hidden. The better way to handle that would’ve been the audience knows Halbrand was Sauron all along. We’d know how badly he wants to repent but essentially Galadriel won’t let him. Like a friend of an ex-addict who keeps trying to peer pressure them into “just a little bit, it won’t hurt you”. She keeps forcing him back to his old life, he keeps giving in to the temptation bit by bit becoming cruel, internally struggling with his nature until Adar comes along and the full lust for power takes over and Sauron himself makes Orodruin explode. Roll credits.
Also it would make more sense for Sauron to just kill off Galadriel if he ever was alone with her (which never happened). Then just someone else than Galadriel would get her ring later, and he never needed her to get in contact with the elvish blacksmiths. It would just be a great opportunity to get rid of a powerful elf sage among his enemies.
@@morgothfromangband6082 , while I really hated the Sauron mystery box, I have to disagree, that Sauron should just have killed Galadriel. Amazon's Sauron is clearly an anti-hero who has the potential to be bad or good. HalRon seriously tries to repent, and he definitely wanted to stay in Numenor and become a humble blacksmith - at least until he becomes bored after a few hundred years and falls off the good-guy waggon😏 And HalRon seems to be fascinated by Galadriel, and he means it, when he offers Galadriel to become his queen and help him to repair Middle Earth. The show-runners have said that they wanted to show us a Sauron who is not an outright villain. I really resent what the show-runners have done with Tolkien's villain. But in Amazon's twisted version of Middle Earth it does make sense that he didn't kill Galadriel.
@@sabineb.5616 When you look at the descriptions in the Silmarillion, History of Middleearth or Morgoth's Ring it get's clear that such ideas would be impossible for Sauron.
@@morgothfromangband6082 , I totally agree with you! Tolkien's Sauron and Amazon's Sauron don't have a lot in common. When I said it makes sense that HalRon wanted to repent and that he was honest when he offered Galadriel to become his queen, I was strictly talking about Amazon's twisted version of Sauron.
I always admired the skill to deeply and methodically dive into such a messy production. The Sauron reveal is so convoluted, nonsensical and has so little connection with what it meant to do according to Pain&Kayn, that I get headache every I'm trying to parse it... So great thanks for your work here)
Yeah it's nonsensical becuase of dare I say...MYSTERY BOXES :), joke aside if they followed the lore we could have got this silver tongued, manipulative and scheming villain in disguise, posing as benevolent being, a charismatic being who has it's own secret goals that are only revealed fully at the culmination of his grand plan! But the show changes all that even the purpose of the Rings! They were supposed to be Sauron's tools of domination, devices for mind control basically that he disguised as objects of power that the Elves desired and would fulfill their dreams and goals with! None of that is in the show. And Saurbrand has no plan whatsoever. Deception and scheming and manipulation and hidden agendas,...they could have made Sauron the Littlefinger of this show...or actually even much better ;) and on first glance less obviously evil hehe.
@@KenLord only in this version, he isn't. You're probably giving too much credit to the writers, who may actually be the real tricksters here. (What they actually wrote is: Sauron is a nice guy now, he's reformed, but then he gets rejected by a girl and goes evil again).
it's funny AF that galadriel had the ovary to ask sauron what kind of a man he is who abandons his men.. "Really?" 🤣 didn't she did the same thing to her soldiers too?
@@KenLord I mean the one she left in the snow storm. One of his men actually called her out literally by name just to stop and help but she completely ignored.
It never ceases to amaze me when Hollywood writers congratulate themselves on the brilliance of the completely basic, obvious, and uninteresting things they are doing!
Generally agree, but Sauron loving smithing and being a shapeshifter is canon in books (which would be helpful if they kept most of the book canon intact...) so those are not out of the blue. The rest... yeah. And I agree it would be nice to have those mentioned in the show. The whole "ambigous Sauron with a boy-next-door look" could have been done well and be awesome. :(
the 'boy next door look' is very suitable for Annatar, Lord of Gifts. There was nothing ambiguous if the viewer knew where Sauron had to be at the time the rings were made.
@@KenLord not really, it doesn't fulfill the purpose, and since the entire purpose of the Rings is a grand plan of enslaving the elven-kind, the only way his deception could work if he appeared among them and awe them as much as possible, and that can only be achieved through a much more impressive and grander form, the Elves themselves are supposed to be super beautiful, and a higher being is the only one capable of teaching them something not lowly unsuspecting mortal :). In the context of the show his disguise makes absolutely no sense for deceiving the elves, as he poses as a Man, a normal mortal so he cannot have knowledge or be wiser than elves honing their skill for thousands of years and who received the knowledge directly from gods at one point! No, Sauron always take the form or tactic which places him at advantage, the whole 'mystery of Sauron' is redundant anyone who knows the lore deeply will immediately know the identity, the Sauron taking fair forms is usually to deceive people to appear benign and benevolent to awe with beauty and power and majesty to appear good while harboring evil intent, the entire purpose of the rings was to be his tools for domination, so changing his involvement with the rings changes entire purpose behind the rings, the ringlore was Sauron's invention in total, he taught the elven-smiths how to make these magic rings, promising them what they wanted, the power they desired! Enemy and Tempter, Enemy represented as the all wrath and force and physical might and tempter by subtle manipulation, coercion, tempting the people with what they always wanted or desired, giving them wish fulfillment to their doom!
The Rings of Power content here on YT is pure gold 🤗 which is why I never watched the show and not going to 20:57 speaking of Gal saving Sauron, the best theory I've heard is that Sauron was 'cursed' by the Valar, so his ship was destroyed and the sea monster was sent to finish the job. However, the Gal showed up and basically her presense on the raft saved him from being eaten by the sea monster. Also her encouraging rants (allegedly) gave him sense of hope. Actually if we go by the crazy script and forget everything Tolkien wrote, this makes perfect sense. Sauron was really depressed after being killed by his own s3x slave Adar, tried to escape and survived in the sea for weeks. And then beautiful elven sorceress literally fell into his arms and encouraged him to go back to Middle-Earth, I totally see how she "saved him" 🤗
All Sauron wanted was to tinker in the garage in a comfortable ranch-style house in Numenor, then his ship got attacked by a monster and then some awful shrew dragged him off to the last place in the WORLD he wanted to be, some primitive bachwater where he got hacked at by orcs and a volcano erupted all over him. I think he ended up deciding to be Dark Lord so that he could calm everyone down and get them to stop bothering him all the time.
@@jpiccone1 if he really wanted that he should have stayed quietly in Middle-earth, sailing was never something that I would expect him doing :), in fact if they wanted to portray his 'reformed days' that would lead to him becoming evil again, they should have shown him using his powers and skills for the benefit of the inhabitants of Middle-earth which would make him realize how easy it is to influence folk and bolster his pride which would lead to him assuming leadership position again and slowly becoming the tyrant. :) "In my story Sauron represents as near an approach to the wholly evil will as is possible. He had gone the way of all tyrants: beginning well, at least on the level that while desiring to order all things according to his own wisdom he still at first considered the (economic) well-being of other inhabitants of the Earth. But he went further than human tyrants in pride and the lust for domination, being in origin an immortal (angelic) spirit. Sauron desired to be a God-King, and was held to be this by his servants, by a triple treachery: 1. Because of his admiration of Strength he had become a follower of Morgoth and fell with him down into the depths of evil, becoming his chief agent in Middle Earth. 2. when Morgoth was defeated by the Valar finally he forsook his allegiance; but out of fear only; he did not present himself to the Valar or sue for pardon, and remained in Middle Earth. 3. When he found how greatly his knowledge was admired by all other rational creatures and how easy it was to influence them, his pride became boundless." J.R.R.Tolkien
dey took our jebs! By the way, the lore is clear regarding sauron after the fall of Morgoth, he was shaken and scared and at first he seemed to repent his past actions, but when callen to face trial in valinor, he disapeared (so we can asume that the master of disguise was lying). Or is my memory playing tricks on me?
One interpretation is that he genuinely repented and wanted to return to the light, but when he was told he'd have to beg for forgiveness in front of everybody to be allowed to return, his pride won and he decided to continue fighting everyone instead of submitting himself to what he saw as a humiliation.
Your memory is true. The thing is, if you try to link literally anything in this show to the actual lore it creates a whole cascade of incompatibilities. The only thing this show got right from the lore is names and names of places. Just enough to slap LotR on the titles and milk consumer pod people
You know, the story about a great hero and a great evil backstory as a couple who started a reluctant journey together in their youth and eventually became great friends before a falling out doesn't sound half bad, but of course, such a character exploration would require far better writing than the likes of RoP.
So, Why was Souron on a ship wreck in the first place? If it was a coincidence, its the biggest coincidence in middle earth, if it was a plan, what was the plan? He knew Gladriel would come and knew they would be found by Numinorian, and knew this would all some how knew how everything would turn out? Either way its terrible writing.
Every time I see the clips of Sauron and Galadriel so close to the screen I have an involuntarily bodily reaction. As if my personal space was being violated and I must scroll down or look away. I've seen her screaming face before and thought it absurd. These characters seem capable of mostly these two states - screaming or staring blandly into the distance. I'm glad I found your channel! For quite some time I refrained from watching any content related to this show, since I do not want to mar the memories of the books and the LotR trilogy by ever thinking of these caricatures as the same characters who I love. Having seen a few videos today, I don't feel a connection at all, these are completely different characters. It's mind boggling and sad at the same time, but I feel we can learn a lot from these mistakes, and the way you explain the absurd decisions is both entertaining and informative. And despite it hurting that they made this atrocity of a series, one thing that always gives me great comfort. We will always have the books, the other movies. They can do anything, but we'll always have them. To me this show doesn't even exist. Ignoring it is the only reasonable solution - unless of course you want to make awesome content, in which case, I applaud you for sitting through and watching this. One last thought. The writers explaining how the characters feel reminds me when I roleplayed and told the others what my characters are like, how I want to portray them, only I was bad at roleplaying and thus my characters in reality were unlikable and cringe.
Good point about Sauron being a blacksmith. There’s no suggestion that he had any particular skill in that trade. He had ring lore and was a necromancer. If anything, he was a whitesmith: someone who crafts in precious metals, not swords. Celebrimbor, however, he was an accomplished smith.
Wait... Halbrand was Sauron!? How were we supposed to figure that out without a big block of text on the screen changing from saying "Halbrand" to "Sauron!?"
If your mother turned out to be Sauron, what lesson would you learn from it? Perfectly summed up... The show wants us to think that "pursuing evil can create evil" is its primary lesson... But it's so rubbish in its execution that it simply cannot get this across... Primary rule of storytelling: Pick a theme - or two - and chip away at it throughout. You can't just announce it at the beginning and then again 8 hours later. So lame.
I mean if the sea is always right wouldn’t you just leave Galadriel in the sea? I mean the sea obviously wanted her to drown, so removing her from the sea is saying the sea is wrong which goes against the sea being right?
I thought Halbrand was Sauron immediately when he looked weirdly long at a blacksmith in Numenor in episode 3. Yes the clues are cheap and superficial, that’s why I believed them and got it right.
Is anyone else getting creepy vibes from Sauron creating the illusion of her brother, instead of her husband, when trying to seduce Galadriel? Combine it with her never looking for her husband, while searching for her brother’s killer for a millennium, and it seems the showrunners are competing with House of the Dragon in more ways than one…
Not only was it awful for a Tolkien adaptation, it was actually extraordinarily poorly written. They really didn't research anything and have no concept of cause/effect and time/distance. The forging of the rings was a montage, and they didn't consult a high school level jewelry teacher before writing it. They mixed all that metal together including the steel and discarded 99% of it. This show being at all successful even among normies is product of 10+ years of high budget corporate remakes/prequels and regurgitated superhero flicks to generate cash and that's it. Physics and realism mean nothing in film anymore.
Most youtubers where calling him Not-Sauron from Episode 2. The moment he gives something as a "Gift" is a dead giveaway as the books called him "the gift giver".
@@KenLord WTF are you talking about? Robocop, Terminator 2, Starship Troopers, Fight Club, Boys 'N Tha Hood, Pulp Fiction, Babylon 5, Buffy, Blade, The Crow, Gattaca, and countless other works that are still among the best in their fields to this day. Let's not even get on all the good stuff Disney *used* to actually make like The Lion King, Beauty & The Beast, etc.
@@samalton5837 yes, we weren't devoid of good work, but it was a small fraction of what we have today thanks to streaming services making content ... for example The Rings of Power! Derp. And hey, Star Wars The Phantom Menace came out in 1999. Jar Jar and the trade federation on their own more than offset your list.
Angry joe said it best they should of had Sauron being in background manipulating events while he had a human half with amnesia. they had a good way to do it the orc father kept saying I split Sauron in half
Halbrand was effectively in the background manipulating events so that Galadriel would have to carry him forward to be at the right place at the right time. This video spends a lot of time trying to deny this, while showing it happening. Sauron was a trickster. The author of this video got tricked.
@@KenLord what makes you think that? he even said that he did nothing while galaridal pushed everything along. It was pure chance he met her on boat and he hasn’t even been corrupting the city like in lore. He didn’t even put idea of rings in elves head or fake the need for mitheril. He was thousands of miles away from any key events he didn’t influence anything
This show is just bad fan fiction. The show only had the copyrights to LOTR and the Appendices, not the Silmarillion or any other Tolkein works. The show literally made up a prequel to LOTR with no rights to the actual prequel stories to LOTR. It's fan fiction with a helluva budget..
Except that the writers discussed all their plans with the Tolkien estate, which firmly controls and licenses everything. For the show they had to compress centuries of time into this season ... or else all the humans would have died off from old age between chapters. So ... did you somehow forget that Sauron was a trickster and a shapeshifter with many names? That he worked with Celebrimbor leading up to the creation of the rings?
Like I said, they didn't get rights to ALL of Tolkein's works. In the books, yes, Sauron tricks Celebrimbor into creating the rings. In the show that doesn't happen. If you think this show follows the books, then you haven't read the books.
@@Shawnaldo-jh3ve omg get a life. These rings would not have been made if not for halbrand's hints and help. He even referred to the help as giving a gift, in reference to Annatar, Lord of Gifts. Much like the show, you couldn't follow the plot of my reply. Tolkien's estate would not have approved of this plot if they thought it actually damaged the story. They've always been extremely protective of their IP. I bet you think it was a copyright violation when they flashed back to the Two Trees.
After all these years daydreaming about all the things I would say or want to hear said to Sauron at his one and only chance for redemption and what I got was "No! You're evil! I won't date you! Gooo awayyyy!" 🤮🤮
Great video summary and analysis of the first season. The ROP inspired me to re read the books after a long time and realise how great those books and Tolkien’s writing still is. I won’t ever be wasting my time watching ROP. The show is so stupid that you are actually wanting Galadriel and the other good guys to be defeated and some one to kick their asses.
Basically the whole idea to have a Sauron reveal was doomed from the start. When Sauron wanted to pretend he was someone, he didn't pretend to be a man, and he certainly didn't need to go through this ridiculous subterfuge to get to the elves through Galadriel. It was pointless and stupid. Now, what Sauron ACtUALLY did to deceive the elves was REALLY interesting, and how he will eventually come to Numenor and become the de facto ruler with Ar-Pharazon as a mere puppet ruler, is ACTUALLY INTERESTING. So much of this story is so, so wrong on so many levels-great diagnosis.
I honestly watched the show thinking/hoping the Saubrand thing was a big red herring and Halbrand would end up being a legitimate character with a more interesting story planned. Episode 8 was an hour long discovery that the writing was the worst case scenario all along
The actor playing Galadriel has really bad "eye control." Her eyelids are constantly fluttering and twitching, which makes her look very powerless. I really don't understand the casting in this billion dollar boondoggle, the actor playing Galadriel seems utterly out of her depth and the twitchy eyes are a part of it.
I actually figured it out pretty quickly. When he was on numenor and managed to singlehandedly beat 5 numenoreans, and then made a master class sword, it rose my suspicions. His conversation with Adar sealed it for me. My guess is the events of him being on a raft and finding Galadriel was all his doing. My question is why he says 'sauron lives because of you'. Was sauron ever in danger during the show?
@@wulfheort8021 Yeah you're right. A bad script or a bunch of incompetent screenwriters are no excuse for bad acting. Professional actors and actresses in The Hobbit trilogy stayed professional and made that trilogy watchable for lots of people including myself lol. I'd rather have Evangeline Lily's Tauriel as a main protagonist than Guyladriel. 😂
@@farahwyn8733 The Hobbit was, in my opinion still great. Especially if you consider how horribly the studio screwed over Jackson with it. But I get your point and it's damn right.
Thankyou! For very well articulating the obvious (but not easy to explain) flaws in the 'writing' of rop.. infinite content is possible out of this mess, no, meme of a series..it's unbelievable how bad it really is.. and clearly the huge price tag was solely for bribing the media and 'reviewers'.. no other explanation has such a clear distinction.. unless, ofcourse, the show runners pocketed it..
Oof I'm with you and all but Sauron was a Maia of Aule the Smith. Of course he was a Smith. There is a lot to criticise but if you're gonna say it's inaccurate to Tolkien you gotta know your Tolkien.
I think people got it all wrong. They think the rings of power creators just "dont give as much care" as the LOTR creators. BUT actually the rings of power creators HATE LOTR. This project was less about itself but more about trying to correct "the conservative nature" of LOTR. Its an expansive hate letter to itself much like star wars.
LOTR isn't conservative at all. Tired of idiots trying to lay their hands of LOTR when Tolkien was progressive for his time and not a modern sexist-racist.
At around 7 minutes you claim sauron can't change his form. All Maiar can change form... hell all elves who make it back to valinor change form. Gandalf nor any of the other istari looked like an old men back in valinor, they were given that form and sent to middle earth. This show is garbage but he is able to change his appearance. How they do it, etc is unknown but they CAN change form.
17:30 This is... such a childish scene... You have no idea how infuriating it is. The overt dagger flipping is pointless: she could had just turned it once from the hammer grip to the icepick grip and it would had been perfectly aligned; at the same time, her dagger is clearly *NOT* made for the icepick grip, which makes it questionable anyway; and then you have that completely fake whistling sound... ON TOP of that mindless posturing. We get it, Galadriel, your balls are bigger than anybody else's, now eat a Snickers, please!
Meh. Just having a slight knowledge of tolkien's legendarium, you know, like the fact that Sauron went by many names, was a trickster, and worked with celebrimbor for the rings, and accepting that the show writers had to change some things to adapt it for TV ... and it makes sense just fine. All the hate for this show is just a clickbait bandwagon. I bet it took longer to produce this rant video for your 600 subscribers, than it took to watch all the episodes. Damn a big chunk of this rant is about something in this season being needed to make Sauron evil?!? When Sauron had been Morgoth's #1 servant? Damn. Half the complaints can be written off by the fact that Sauron was a trickster and you not figuring out when you've been tricked. Your time could have been better spent questioning how the White Cloaks, servants of Sauron, couldn't tell the difference between an Istari and Sauron. And why an Istari was even in middle earth in the second age. The entire plot line of The Stranger and the Hardfoots presently looks like it was just a distraction for people who didn't know the smallest amounts about the second age to realize where Sauron had to be leading up to the creation of the rings.
I liked Halbrand as Sauron. He has a disarming manner to him which is the point of his character. You can't imagine him being Sauron but he is. He has the charm down so well that he fools everyone. Well, everyone except Gil-galad. I, a Tolkien fan since 1987, enjoyed Rings of Power.
If you enjoyed rings of power, a series created by people whom have defiled Tolkien and his work, then you are not a real fan. The only thing you are a fan of is the fantasy world, but not the meaning behind it all and the philosophy of Tolkien. That makes you fake.
@@wulfheort8021 I'm fairly positive that user is on Amazon's payroll, just like those fake "Superfan" influencers who appeared in that ludicrous Q & A video early this year.
@@Adamguy2003 That wouldn't surprise me. Some people are also just too braindead to understand the meaning behind things like LOTR and they just like it because it's fantasy. That folk would enjoy RoP too, which is absolutely stupid.
@@wulfheort8021 You will not decide who are "fake" or "real" fan. It's not like you knew Tolkien or he said anything to you. You'r just delusional and Tolkien probably would not like you.
its all about the meta. The actual story of the show doesn't matter, it only serves to present characters in scenes of action. The mystery box-presentation is the best solution for appealing to internet consumer culture which is where the money is. This show has never been made for rewatching or for finding any meaning, it is a pack of gum that you chew and spit out when the flavour is gone. And it bothers me.
It didn't even taste good enough to chew on
Wow that was the most accurate description of this show I've ever read
Well said. There's nothing timeless about coming back to week old chewing gum. The flavour is gone.
Anceru, I couldn't have described this train wreck of a tv-show better! The heavy use of mystery boxes ruins the script completely because the writers have to concentrate on protecting the mystery, and they need to construct red herrings. But this means that there is no room for proper character developments. And after the second episode it wasn't even hard to guess that Halbrand should have been called HalRon! it was also fairly obvious that the meteor man is not Sauron but a good wizard and possibly Gandalf.
Even without the Tolkien label the show is badly written and carelessly plotted.
Perfect description. And sadly this applies to many shows and films these days. So shallow and mindless - just like many people are.
Given what we've seen of Galadriel's character in ROP, I'm sure Celeborn is in hiding. Most likely he told her he was headed to the market for a pack of cigarettes and then never returned.
As I always say, Celeborn went to get milk and never came back.
Lmao! He got the hell out of there! I like that she’s spent like a thousand years looking for Sauron, but doesn’t bother looking for her husband for like even a day!
@@brittneystreeter493 Celeborn had a lot more time and motivation to prepare hiding places.
He's gone looking for Gandalf, for he much desired to speak with him.
@@ModernSoupism XD
*Newsflash for the writers (who seem to think Halbrand < > Sauron was a masterfully crafted secret) The ONLY reason why people were surprised was because they thought "There's NO WAY this show would make his identity so obvious from the very first episode!"
They tried to turn Lord of the Rings into Game of Thrones and failed at everything.
What's amusing is that they could have sort of made it into Game of Thrones Tolkien edition for there is some dark stuff and material for that, the politics, the struggles of the great leaders, kings and noble families, schemes of the master manipulator silver tongued magnificent bastard of a villain, treachery and deception...but they totally are unable to do it right and in following the Tolkien lore! :) I mean the court of Numenor of hte later period is full of intrigue!
"Thereafter the fire and the smoke went up withing ceasing; for the power of Sauron daily increased, and in that temple, with spilling of blood and torment and great wickedness, men made sacrifice to Melkor that he should release them from Death. And most often from among the Faithful they chose their victims; yet never openly on the charge that they would not worship Melkor, the Giver of Freedom, rather was cause sought against them that they hated the King and were his rebels, or that they plotted against their kin, devising lies and poisons. These charges were for the most part false; yet those were bitter days, and hate brings forth hate."
The only way the Halbrand story makes sense is if he had a spy in Gil-Galad’s court and knew Galadriel’s reputation for impetuousness, planted the seed in GG’s ear that he needed to get rid of her, knew that she would jump off the boat, somehow mind controlled the southlanders on the raft into going along with his story, and created the storm that would push their raft in the right direction. He also had to believe that no matter how many times he said “no” Galadriel would push him to become king anyway.
I think the writers’ master plan was actually Adar killed Sauron, Sauron generated the Halbrand body and back story to get away because he wanted to repent, he meets Galadriel by total chance. His will was so weak that he couldn’t hold firm to his repentance so much so that every time Galadriel pushed him back to his old life his lust for power reawakened bit by bit, and that it was actually his rivalry with Adar that finally convinced him to be evil again. Ie, he didn’t want the crown until a rival emerged and his ego took over. Problem is, it was so badly done that this subtle plot thread was completely hidden.
The better way to handle that would’ve been the audience knows Halbrand was Sauron all along. We’d know how badly he wants to repent but essentially Galadriel won’t let him. Like a friend of an ex-addict who keeps trying to peer pressure them into “just a little bit, it won’t hurt you”. She keeps forcing him back to his old life, he keeps giving in to the temptation bit by bit becoming cruel, internally struggling with his nature until Adar comes along and the full lust for power takes over and Sauron himself makes Orodruin explode. Roll credits.
Stop that. That's actually good writing and that's banned.
As if an immortal Maiar spirit could be permanently destroyed by falling into the sea... The show-runners are muppets.
Also it would make more sense for Sauron to just kill off Galadriel if he ever was alone with her (which never happened). Then just someone else than Galadriel would get her ring later, and he never needed her to get in contact with the elvish blacksmiths. It would just be a great opportunity to get rid of a powerful elf sage among his enemies.
@@morgothfromangband6082 , while I really hated the Sauron mystery box, I have to disagree, that Sauron should just have killed Galadriel. Amazon's Sauron is clearly an anti-hero who has the potential to be bad or good. HalRon seriously tries to repent, and he definitely wanted to stay in Numenor and become a humble blacksmith - at least until he becomes bored after a few hundred years and falls off the good-guy waggon😏
And HalRon seems to be fascinated by Galadriel, and he means it, when he offers Galadriel to become his queen and help him to repair Middle Earth. The show-runners have said that they wanted to show us a Sauron who is not an outright villain.
I really resent what the show-runners have done with Tolkien's villain. But in Amazon's twisted version of Middle Earth it does make sense that he didn't kill Galadriel.
@@sabineb.5616 When you look at the descriptions in the Silmarillion, History of Middleearth or Morgoth's Ring it get's clear that such ideas would be impossible for Sauron.
@@morgothfromangband6082 , I totally agree with you! Tolkien's Sauron and Amazon's Sauron don't have a lot in common. When I said it makes sense that HalRon wanted to repent and that he was honest when he offered Galadriel to become his queen, I was strictly talking about Amazon's twisted version of Sauron.
I always admired the skill to deeply and methodically dive into such a messy production. The Sauron reveal is so convoluted, nonsensical and has so little connection with what it meant to do according to Pain&Kayn, that I get headache every I'm trying to parse it...
So great thanks for your work here)
Yeah it's nonsensical becuase of dare I say...MYSTERY BOXES :), joke aside if they followed the lore we could have got this silver tongued, manipulative and scheming villain in disguise, posing as benevolent being, a charismatic being who has it's own secret goals that are only revealed fully at the culmination of his grand plan! But the show changes all that even the purpose of the Rings! They were supposed to be Sauron's tools of domination, devices for mind control basically that he disguised as objects of power that the Elves desired and would fulfill their dreams and goals with! None of that is in the show. And Saurbrand has no plan whatsoever. Deception and scheming and manipulation and hidden agendas,...they could have made Sauron the Littlefinger of this show...or actually even much better ;) and on first glance less obviously evil hehe.
They took one of Middle-Earth's wisest and most perceptive characters and made her dumb....
Gladierial is a strong independent woman, she doesn't care about her husband, that would take feelings on her part which is a sign of weakness.
She probably divorced him
Sauron was reluctantly along for the ride (not unlike us, actually). He had no plan, no agency, and was basically out and wanted to stay that way.
Sauron is a trickster. And he successfully tricked you.
@@KenLord only in this version, he isn't. You're probably giving too much credit to the writers, who may actually be the real tricksters here. (What they actually wrote is: Sauron is a nice guy now, he's reformed, but then he gets rejected by a girl and goes evil again).
Even though i already know, every time i hear, the elves took our jobs, i physically need to spit in surprise and disgust.
I’d forgotten how pompous the dialogue is.
it's funny AF that galadriel had the ovary to ask sauron what kind of a man he is who abandons his men.. "Really?" 🤣 didn't she did the same thing to her soldiers too?
You mean the soldiers that mutineed on her? Derp. Because jumping off the boat on the way to their great reward was hardly an abandonment.
@@KenLord I mean the one she left in the snow storm. One of his men actually called her out literally by name just to stop and help but she completely ignored.
@@KenLord L + Ratio'd
That's literally her first line (apart from narrative).
It never ceases to amaze me when Hollywood writers congratulate themselves on the brilliance of the completely basic, obvious, and uninteresting things they are doing!
Because the elves will steal all the jobs.
I can't.
I'm literally wheezing.
Send help.
Generally agree, but Sauron loving smithing and being a shapeshifter is canon in books (which would be helpful if they kept most of the book canon intact...) so those are not out of the blue. The rest... yeah. And I agree it would be nice to have those mentioned in the show.
The whole "ambigous Sauron with a boy-next-door look" could have been done well and be awesome. :(
the 'boy next door look' is very suitable for Annatar, Lord of Gifts. There was nothing ambiguous if the viewer knew where Sauron had to be at the time the rings were made.
but since they never explain any of that, most people watching the show wont know it
oh yea u said that xD
@@KenLord not really, it doesn't fulfill the purpose, and since the entire purpose of the Rings is a grand plan of enslaving the elven-kind, the only way his deception could work if he appeared among them and awe them as much as possible, and that can only be achieved through a much more impressive and grander form, the Elves themselves are supposed to be super beautiful, and a higher being is the only one capable of teaching them something not lowly unsuspecting mortal :). In the context of the show his disguise makes absolutely no sense for deceiving the elves, as he poses as a Man, a normal mortal so he cannot have knowledge or be wiser than elves honing their skill for thousands of years and who received the knowledge directly from gods at one point! No, Sauron always take the form or tactic which places him at advantage, the whole 'mystery of Sauron' is redundant anyone who knows the lore deeply will immediately know the identity, the Sauron taking fair forms is usually to deceive people to appear benign and benevolent to awe with beauty and power and majesty to appear good while harboring evil intent, the entire purpose of the rings was to be his tools for domination, so changing his involvement with the rings changes entire purpose behind the rings, the ringlore was Sauron's invention in total, he taught the elven-smiths how to make these magic rings, promising them what they wanted, the power they desired! Enemy and Tempter, Enemy represented as the all wrath and force and physical might and tempter by subtle manipulation, coercion, tempting the people with what they always wanted or desired, giving them wish fulfillment to their doom!
The Rings of Power content here on YT is pure gold 🤗
which is why I never watched the show and not going to
20:57 speaking of Gal saving Sauron, the best theory I've heard is that Sauron was 'cursed' by the Valar, so his ship was destroyed and the sea monster was sent to finish the job. However, the Gal showed up and basically her presense on the raft saved him from being eaten by the sea monster. Also her encouraging rants (allegedly) gave him sense of hope.
Actually if we go by the crazy script and forget everything Tolkien wrote, this makes perfect sense. Sauron was really depressed after being killed by his own s3x slave Adar, tried to escape and survived in the sea for weeks. And then beautiful elven sorceress literally fell into his arms and encouraged him to go back to Middle-Earth, I totally see how she "saved him" 🤗
All Sauron wanted was to tinker in the garage in a comfortable ranch-style house in Numenor, then his ship got attacked by a monster and then some awful shrew dragged him off to the last place in the WORLD he wanted to be, some primitive bachwater where he got hacked at by orcs and a volcano erupted all over him. I think he ended up deciding to be Dark Lord so that he could calm everyone down and get them to stop bothering him all the time.
@@jpiccone1 if he really wanted that he should have stayed quietly in Middle-earth, sailing was never something that I would expect him doing :), in fact if they wanted to portray his 'reformed days' that would lead to him becoming evil again, they should have shown him using his powers and skills for the benefit of the inhabitants of Middle-earth which would make him realize how easy it is to influence folk and bolster his pride which would lead to him assuming leadership position again and slowly becoming the tyrant. :)
"In my story Sauron represents as near an approach to the wholly evil will as is possible. He had gone the way of all tyrants: beginning well, at least on the level that while desiring to order all things according to his own wisdom he still at first considered the (economic) well-being of other inhabitants of the Earth. But he went further than human tyrants in pride and the lust for domination, being in origin an immortal (angelic) spirit. Sauron desired to be a God-King, and was held to be this by his servants, by a triple treachery: 1. Because of his admiration of Strength he had become a follower of Morgoth and fell with him down into the depths of evil, becoming his chief agent in Middle Earth. 2. when Morgoth was defeated by the Valar finally he forsook his allegiance; but out of fear only; he did not present himself to the Valar or sue for pardon, and remained in Middle Earth. 3. When he found how greatly his knowledge was admired by all other rational creatures and how easy it was to influence them, his pride became boundless." J.R.R.Tolkien
dey took our jebs! By the way, the lore is clear regarding sauron after the fall of Morgoth, he was shaken and scared and at first he seemed to repent his past actions, but when callen to face trial in valinor, he disapeared (so we can asume that the master of disguise was lying). Or is my memory playing tricks on me?
One interpretation is that he genuinely repented and wanted to return to the light, but when he was told he'd have to beg for forgiveness in front of everybody to be allowed to return, his pride won and he decided to continue fighting everyone instead of submitting himself to what he saw as a humiliation.
Your memory is true. The thing is, if you try to link literally anything in this show to the actual lore it creates a whole cascade of incompatibilities. The only thing this show got right from the lore is names and names of places. Just enough to slap LotR on the titles and milk consumer pod people
You know, the story about a great hero and a great evil backstory as a couple who started a reluctant journey together in their youth and eventually became great friends before a falling out doesn't sound half bad, but of course, such a character exploration would require far better writing than the likes of RoP.
So, Why was Souron on a ship wreck in the first place? If it was a coincidence, its the biggest coincidence in middle earth, if it was a plan, what was the plan? He knew Gladriel would come and knew they would be found by Numinorian, and knew this would all some how knew how everything would turn out?
Either way its terrible writing.
They're going to have to do a SECOND Sauron reveal after he makes the other rings
Every time I see the clips of Sauron and Galadriel so close to the screen I have an involuntarily bodily reaction. As if my personal space was being violated and I must scroll down or look away. I've seen her screaming face before and thought it absurd. These characters seem capable of mostly these two states - screaming or staring blandly into the distance.
I'm glad I found your channel! For quite some time I refrained from watching any content related to this show, since I do not want to mar the memories of the books and the LotR trilogy by ever thinking of these caricatures as the same characters who I love. Having seen a few videos today, I don't feel a connection at all, these are completely different characters. It's mind boggling and sad at the same time, but I feel we can learn a lot from these mistakes, and the way you explain the absurd decisions is both entertaining and informative.
And despite it hurting that they made this atrocity of a series, one thing that always gives me great comfort. We will always have the books, the other movies. They can do anything, but we'll always have them. To me this show doesn't even exist. Ignoring it is the only reasonable solution - unless of course you want to make awesome content, in which case, I applaud you for sitting through and watching this.
One last thought. The writers explaining how the characters feel reminds me when I roleplayed and told the others what my characters are like, how I want to portray them, only I was bad at roleplaying and thus my characters in reality were unlikable and cringe.
Good point about Sauron being a blacksmith. There’s no suggestion that he had any particular skill in that trade. He had ring lore and was a necromancer. If anything, he was a whitesmith: someone who crafts in precious metals, not swords. Celebrimbor, however, he was an accomplished smith.
Well he was a pupil of Aule and we can conveniently assume that he had skill in almost every area of craftsmenship.
Wait... Halbrand was Sauron!? How were we supposed to figure that out without a big block of text on the screen changing from saying "Halbrand" to "Sauron!?"
If your mother turned out to be Sauron, what lesson would you learn from it?
Perfectly summed up...
The show wants us to think that "pursuing evil can create evil" is its primary lesson... But it's so rubbish in its execution that it simply cannot get this across... Primary rule of storytelling: Pick a theme - or two - and chip away at it throughout. You can't just announce it at the beginning and then again 8 hours later. So lame.
7:58 - Says the person who wanted to leave her comrades behind on the Helcaraxe!
Damn, now I want to see how they write Batman into this!
I mean if the sea is always right wouldn’t you just leave Galadriel in the sea? I mean the sea obviously wanted her to drown, so removing her from the sea is saying the sea is wrong which goes against the sea being right?
The sea brought her to the ship.
I thought Halbrand was Sauron immediately when he looked weirdly long at a blacksmith in Numenor in episode 3. Yes the clues are cheap and superficial, that’s why I believed them and got it right.
Is anyone else getting creepy vibes from Sauron creating the illusion of her brother, instead of her husband, when trying to seduce Galadriel? Combine it with her never looking for her husband, while searching for her brother’s killer for a millennium, and it seems the showrunners are competing with House of the Dragon in more ways than one…
Not only was it awful for a Tolkien adaptation, it was actually extraordinarily poorly written. They really didn't research anything and have no concept of cause/effect and time/distance. The forging of the rings was a montage, and they didn't consult a high school level jewelry teacher before writing it. They mixed all that metal together including the steel and discarded 99% of it.
This show being at all successful even among normies is product of 10+ years of high budget corporate remakes/prequels and regurgitated superhero flicks to generate cash and that's it. Physics and realism mean nothing in film anymore.
Most youtubers where calling him Not-Sauron from Episode 2.
The moment he gives something as a "Gift" is a dead giveaway as the books called him "the gift giver".
Fabulous video. We are living in a relative dark age of good writing in film and tv.
OMG, you must not have been alive in the 90's or earlier. We're in a golden age today regardless of the rings of power being good or bad.
@@KenLord WTF are you talking about? Robocop, Terminator 2, Starship Troopers, Fight Club, Boys 'N Tha Hood, Pulp Fiction, Babylon 5, Buffy, Blade, The Crow, Gattaca, and countless other works that are still among the best in their fields to this day.
Let's not even get on all the good stuff Disney *used* to actually make like The Lion King, Beauty & The Beast, etc.
@@samalton5837 yes, we weren't devoid of good work, but it was a small fraction of what we have today thanks to streaming services making content ... for example The Rings of Power! Derp.
And hey, Star Wars The Phantom Menace came out in 1999. Jar Jar and the trade federation on their own more than offset your list.
damn you reminded me that the prestige was a movie that existed. Frankly, i really really loved it, the end was mind blowing for the right reasons
David Bowie playing Tesla put it to 11 for me instead of just 10/10 :D
Angry joe said it best they should of had Sauron being in background manipulating events while he had a human half with amnesia. they had a good way to do it the orc father kept saying I split Sauron in half
Halbrand was effectively in the background manipulating events so that Galadriel would have to carry him forward to be at the right place at the right time. This video spends a lot of time trying to deny this, while showing it happening. Sauron was a trickster. The author of this video got tricked.
@@KenLord what makes you think that? he even said that he did nothing while galaridal pushed everything along. It was pure chance he met her on boat and he hasn’t even been corrupting the city like in lore. He didn’t even put idea of rings in elves head or fake the need for mitheril. He was thousands of miles away from any key events he didn’t influence anything
Wink, wink…Say no more.
This show is just bad fan fiction. The show only had the copyrights to LOTR and the Appendices, not the Silmarillion or any other Tolkein works. The show literally made up a prequel to LOTR with no rights to the actual prequel stories to LOTR. It's fan fiction with a helluva budget..
Except that the writers discussed all their plans with the Tolkien estate, which firmly controls and licenses everything. For the show they had to compress centuries of time into this season ... or else all the humans would have died off from old age between chapters. So ... did you somehow forget that Sauron was a trickster and a shapeshifter with many names? That he worked with Celebrimbor leading up to the creation of the rings?
Like I said, they didn't get rights to ALL of Tolkein's works. In the books, yes, Sauron tricks Celebrimbor into creating the rings. In the show that doesn't happen.
If you think this show follows the books, then you haven't read the books.
@@Shawnaldo-jh3ve omg get a life. These rings would not have been made if not for halbrand's hints and help. He even referred to the help as giving a gift, in reference to Annatar, Lord of Gifts.
Much like the show, you couldn't follow the plot of my reply.
Tolkien's estate would not have approved of this plot if they thought it actually damaged the story. They've always been extremely protective of their IP.
I bet you think it was a copyright violation when they flashed back to the Two Trees.
@@KenLord Hope amazon's paying you well to be an ass kisser.
Yes, except there's some really good fanfiction out there that's much better than this...
Everything in the show is a freakin failure. It's an abomination.
After all these years daydreaming about all the things I would say or want to hear said to Sauron at his one and only chance for redemption and what I got was "No! You're evil! I won't date you! Gooo awayyyy!" 🤮🤮
2 min in and i'm laughing so hard .. perfect use of the Charlie from it's always sunny meme
Great video summary and analysis of the first season. The ROP inspired me to re read the books after a long time and realise how great those books and Tolkien’s writing still is. I won’t ever be wasting my time watching ROP. The show is so stupid that you are actually wanting Galadriel and the other good guys to be defeated and some one to kick their asses.
Your voice is perfect for reviews. That tone of disappointment made me laugh in the office.
Basically the whole idea to have a Sauron reveal was doomed from the start. When Sauron wanted to pretend he was someone, he didn't pretend to be a man, and he certainly didn't need to go through this ridiculous subterfuge to get to the elves through Galadriel. It was pointless and stupid. Now, what Sauron ACtUALLY did to deceive the elves was REALLY interesting, and how he will eventually come to Numenor and become the de facto ruler with Ar-Pharazon as a mere puppet ruler, is ACTUALLY INTERESTING. So much of this story is so, so wrong on so many levels-great diagnosis.
I honestly watched the show thinking/hoping the Saubrand thing was a big red herring and Halbrand would end up being a legitimate character with a more interesting story planned. Episode 8 was an hour long discovery that the writing was the worst case scenario all along
With their billion dollar budget they were even too lame to show Ungoliant when they showed the destruction of the 2 trees.
The actor playing Galadriel has really bad "eye control." Her eyelids are constantly fluttering and twitching, which makes her look very powerless. I really don't understand the casting in this billion dollar boondoggle, the actor playing Galadriel seems utterly out of her depth and the twitchy eyes are a part of it.
Because she is a strong woman who can't think about mundane things like a man.
No way… hes Sauron?!?
You cant blame “racist fans” for this train wreck of a story arch.
Tell us you had no awareness of Tolkien's stories of the second age, without saying you had no awareness of Tolkien's stories of the second age.
I actually figured it out pretty quickly. When he was on numenor and managed to singlehandedly beat 5 numenoreans, and then made a master class sword, it rose my suspicions. His conversation with Adar sealed it for me.
My guess is the events of him being on a raft and finding Galadriel was all his doing. My question is why he says 'sauron lives because of you'. Was sauron ever in danger during the show?
Dude, even Galadriel’s voice sounds nothing like Galadriel
Morfydd Clark is a terrible actress and even worse so for the character of Galadriel.
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Maybe she can be great with other roles but not Galadriel...she'll never be Galadriel. She's like a bad version of Eowyn honestly.
@@farahwyn8733 Based on her Galadriel performance I find her to be a terrible actress.
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Yeah you're right. A bad script or a bunch of incompetent screenwriters are no excuse for bad acting.
Professional actors and actresses in The Hobbit trilogy stayed professional and made that trilogy watchable for lots of people including myself lol. I'd rather have Evangeline Lily's Tauriel as a main protagonist than Guyladriel. 😂
@@farahwyn8733 The Hobbit was, in my opinion still great. Especially if you consider how horribly the studio screwed over Jackson with it. But I get your point and it's damn right.
It didn’t help that they casted a Sauron actor with the charismatic menace of a French poodle.
The way Giladriel says Sauron should of told you exactly what this show was going to be like.
I must amend the title of your video:
EVERYTHING about 'The Rings of Power' is a complete disaster!
I really like your style of reviewing.
honestly... the fact that the writers think they are clever... ugh what a joke!
that ending scene with the close up yelling faces... ew i just cant
read the books.
lmao "oh my gosh he's Sauron... oh my gosh, I don't care" hahahahaha my feelings about the entire show, in a nutshell
Thankyou! For very well articulating the obvious (but not easy to explain) flaws in the 'writing' of rop.. infinite content is possible out of this mess, no, meme of a series..it's unbelievable how bad it really is.. and clearly the huge price tag was solely for bribing the media and 'reviewers'.. no other explanation has such a clear distinction.. unless, ofcourse, the show runners pocketed it..
At 12.29 is that disparu laughing in the background?
It's Joaquin Phoenix from Joker.
@@Preplot Oh I hear it now. I think I watched one of disparu's reviews and he laughed the same way at the same part. Dropping mythril into a hot pot
Oof I'm with you and all but Sauron was a Maia of Aule the Smith. Of course he was a Smith. There is a lot to criticise but if you're gonna say it's inaccurate to Tolkien you gotta know your Tolkien.
I never said he wasn't. I said the general audience has no idea that he is, because it's never mentioned in the movies and in this show.
I think people got it all wrong. They think the rings of power creators just "dont give as much care" as the LOTR creators. BUT actually the rings of power creators HATE LOTR. This project was less about itself but more about trying to correct "the conservative nature" of LOTR. Its an expansive hate letter to itself much like star wars.
LOTR isn't conservative at all. Tired of idiots trying to lay their hands of LOTR when Tolkien was progressive for his time and not a modern sexist-racist.
She doesn't mention her husband because women are strong enough and no need for men in the world
watch castlevania anime to wash ROP smell away
Anime will eventually turn to trash like Western media. To me everything universalist in nature smells like asshole.
just not the later seasons
why bothering even watching this show ?
Very good review.
At around 7 minutes you claim sauron can't change his form. All Maiar can change form... hell all elves who make it back to valinor change form. Gandalf nor any of the other istari looked like an old men back in valinor, they were given that form and sent to middle earth. This show is garbage but he is able to change his appearance. How they do it, etc is unknown but they CAN change form.
Sure they can, that's not what I said: "There's no indication that Sauron has the ability to change his form".
Next time, try to listen to what someone actually says.
Hi. Nice Video
best part was when Sauron Declared himself a strong woman and overran middle earth and became queen.
17:30 This is... such a childish scene... You have no idea how infuriating it is. The overt dagger flipping is pointless: she could had just turned it once from the hammer grip to the icepick grip and it would had been perfectly aligned; at the same time, her dagger is clearly *NOT* made for the icepick grip, which makes it questionable anyway; and then you have that completely fake whistling sound... ON TOP of that mindless posturing. We get it, Galadriel, your balls are bigger than anybody else's, now eat a Snickers, please!
👍👍🤣🤣 good stuff bro. when what these halfwits did is said out loud = lmao
You’re late to the game pal… this subject has been monetized already.
Meh. Just having a slight knowledge of tolkien's legendarium, you know, like the fact that Sauron went by many names, was a trickster, and worked with celebrimbor for the rings, and accepting that the show writers had to change some things to adapt it for TV ... and it makes sense just fine. All the hate for this show is just a clickbait bandwagon. I bet it took longer to produce this rant video for your 600 subscribers, than it took to watch all the episodes. Damn a big chunk of this rant is about something in this season being needed to make Sauron evil?!? When Sauron had been Morgoth's #1 servant? Damn. Half the complaints can be written off by the fact that Sauron was a trickster and you not figuring out when you've been tricked. Your time could have been better spent questioning how the White Cloaks, servants of Sauron, couldn't tell the difference between an Istari and Sauron. And why an Istari was even in middle earth in the second age. The entire plot line of The Stranger and the Hardfoots presently looks like it was just a distraction for people who didn't know the smallest amounts about the second age to realize where Sauron had to be leading up to the creation of the rings.
people who dont know a thing about the second age....
Ah yes, the showruiiners
The Rings of Power makes Sauron look like a good guy in comparison with Strong Independent Warrior Woman Guy-Lad-riel
why are you still talking about this,get over it pls for the good of the world
That’s bullshit Everyone knows Sauron is a girl it’s in the Amazon lore
I liked Halbrand as Sauron. He has a disarming manner to him which is the point of his character. You can't imagine him being Sauron but he is. He has the charm down so well that he fools everyone. Well, everyone except Gil-galad.
I, a Tolkien fan since 1987, enjoyed Rings of Power.
If you enjoyed rings of power, a series created by people whom have defiled Tolkien and his work, then you are not a real fan. The only thing you are a fan of is the fantasy world, but not the meaning behind it all and the philosophy of Tolkien. That makes you fake.
@@wulfheort8021 I'm fairly positive that user is on Amazon's payroll, just like those fake "Superfan" influencers who appeared in that ludicrous Q & A video early this year.
@@Adamguy2003 That wouldn't surprise me. Some people are also just too braindead to understand the meaning behind things like LOTR and they just like it because it's fantasy. That folk would enjoy RoP too, which is absolutely stupid.
@@wulfheort8021 You will not decide who are "fake" or "real" fan. It's not like you knew Tolkien or he said anything to you. You'r just delusional and Tolkien probably would not like you.