Hasan Piker vs John Kobylt on "The Issue Is: with Elex Michaelson"
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- An epic "The Issue Is:" debate: Hasan Piker vs John Kobylt.
In one corner, a young progressive who has gained a massive online following as an anchor on The Young Turks and streaming his political commentary on Twitch.
In the other corner, a conservative broadcasting legend who has been the #1 voice in LA drive time radio for more than 25 years.
In many ways, Hasan and John couldn’t be more different. They are from different generations, believe in different political ideologies, and are at the forefront of different media platforms.
But sometimes opposites attract, because when we put these men in a one-on-one debate, what we found was… agreement - a surprise to even the men themselves.
We kick things off with impeachment.
As Representative Adam Schiff (D-CA) and his fellow Democratic House managers made their opening arguments in President Trump’s Senate impeachment trial, have they presented any evidence or facts that have shifted public perception or have swayed any Senators?
“It’s really boring, it is hard to watch,” Kobylt said. “When I see Adam Schiff standing there with his eyes bugging out, waving his arms, I’m laughing, because - the whole thing is so futile, because they’re never going to remove him.”
Piker admitted he doesn’t care much about the trial either, saying the House Democrats flubbed their impeachment efforts. Rather than focus on Ukrainian aid, Piker says the House Democrats should have pursued articles pertaining to the emoluments clause, campaign finance violations, or obstruction of justice for the firing of former FBI Director James Comey.
Stuck in the Senate chamber during the impeachment trial, serving as a juror, is Bernie Sanders.
Cast aside as a potential Democratic nominee after his 2019 heart attack, the Vermont Senator has seen a recent surge in the polls, placing first or second in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, California, and even nationally.
But with his rise in the polls, Sanders has also weathered a new wave of attacks from the Democratic establishment - from Senator Elizabeth Warren accusing him on alleging that a woman couldn’t be elected President, to Secretary Hillary Clinton claiming “Nobody likes him.”
Piker, a Sanders supporter, said Sanders’ rise mirrors the rise of then-Candidate Trump, as both men tapped into the anger of Americans. However, while Trump directed that anger at red herrings like immigration, Piker says Sanders is left-wing populist who will use that anger to advocate for the working class.
Piker also took issue with Clinton’s assertion that Sanders has never gotten anything done, saying Sanders has been the “Amendment King,” forcing Amazon to raise its minimum wage, and shifting the conversation towards important causes like Medicare For All.
Kobylt contends that shifting the conversation does not equal action.
From national elections to an issue at the top of mind for many Californians - homelessness.
Kobylt alleged that Mayor Garcetti and Governor Newsom have been complete failures when it comes to addressing the crisis on the streets of California. He urged the Trump administration and federal government to get involved immediately:
“It’s emergency time. Pretend this is a hurricane, a tornado, an earthquake. Send in the federal government, FEMA, every possible agency that has jurisdiction and money, and you set up instant camps to take the homeless to and start giving them treatment.”
Again, even to his own surprise, Piker agreed, adding that the situation in California is a humanitarian crisis. He cited a UN study that showed the conditions found on Skid Row were even more dire than those found in Syrian Refugee camps.
Where Piker and Kobylt did find disagreement: Medicare for All.
Piker argued that the American people are suffering, and if developing nations can offer better healthcare to their citizens, why can’t America?
Beyond just wondering how Medicare for All would be paid for, Koblyt said implementation was an issue of trust. Having seen how the VA, DMV and other government-run agencies operate, Kobylt says that most Americans don’t trust the government, and that serious progress is needed before the public would be willing to trust the government with their health as well.
Finally, from the issues that have been front and center, to the issues that WILL be front and center, Piker and Kobylt took part in a friendly game of predictions, laying out who they think will prove victorious at the upcoming Super Bowl, Oscars and Iowa Caucus.
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Hasan doesn't have a small head, he just has huge shoulders. Dude's shredded.
Nope just look at others head.
@@chuckyolives2000 Other guy is also not super ripped...just saying.
@@JSGuitar80 Hasan, we know it's you. You can reveal yourself
AZAN alt KEKW
its called patching clothing
Take notes gianno caldwell, this is how you debate. John may have some bad views, but he’s not triggered by Hasan like Gianno was.
He certainly has some bad views in my eyes, but he can hold a coherent debate and has reasonable stances on a few issues. Gianno just flung shit everywhere and yelled when Hasan made a good point, completely embarrassing
As far as I can tell john’s only bad view is on socialised Medicare. Medicare is an exception. Generally things shouldn’t be socialised.
They agreed on pretty much everything? I do lean slighty conservative like John but I feel those who lean left are so fast to disagree with everything and are passive aggressive. Both sides have good reasons for disagreeing.
Anthony Sanchez the reason you may see leftists as quick to disagree with the right is because they are fighting for change. And the right is standing firmly in the way of that, not allowing good progress, leaving the left stuck with obama, hillary, and biden as our figureheads, who don’t actually advocate for much progress
Jesus, Gianno was so emotional the whole time during the interview. He kept ensuring he wanted to know where Hasan got his facts from, but then would talk, scream and babble over what Hasan was actually trying to say. Lol
The US healthcare works exactly as intended. It is run as a business, for profit, not for health.
It’s really sad bc essential workers can’t even get good healthcare without going into debt!!!!
Please tell me this is a joke
@@lorenzopiccini9434 nope
@@lorenzopiccini9434 this is litterally the case, studies have shown this
@@carimavandijk1091 WTF DO YOU MEAN?
People complain about Hasan being loud only on the debates where his opponents are screaming at him. This guy knew well enough to not try and interrupt and had an actual, respectful debate with minimal interrupting, and Hasan was pretty much fine.
Weak debaters like to control the debate by just talking the most, and Hasan cuts that shit off, as he should. People like to pretend that it's him trying to do the same when really his arguments stand on their own but the people who debate him can't handle that.
I personally am a fan of Hasan and his policies. But i think sometimes when hes on that stages he thinks to far in terms of dynamics which some listeners may not be able to understand or resonate with which actually require some knowledge on the subject, but here the other guy knows some shit (much different from like this lerry guy) so there s a good conversation
Hasan has come a long way. I used to not like him/ thought he just obscured or dodged issues. I respect him now
@@abcD-wf9yr that's literally all he does, and tries going for personal attacksth-cam.com/video/qvAeNR1PSwY/w-d-xo.html
@@chriskelley7979 mmm, no he still has the same ideals.
I just watched a few of Hasan's debates in a row and can say this one was easily the best both sides were very respectful and composed I can find sometimes that I think Hasan is to aggressive and because of that has trouble reasoning with his opponents but i think when he takes this more restrained approach more is talked about and people will learn more from it. This was a very good debate.
Crazy how different the world was 4 months ago
Was gonna say the same thing
It’s crazy how different the world was a month ago
welcome to post election bitch, it's all changed
This was 4 months ago
Four months later and dude younhave no fucking idea.
Disappointed that Hasan didn't get into the systemic causes of homelessness. He would've destroyed it.
I know he knows ab it too. He’s very educated
They would cut it off like 5:50
Right.They just kept on cutting him off
Let me guess poverty? Hassan is a moron and is no different than any other “progressive”
@@grantsmith6613 I mean he backs up all his claims with evidence? Most of the people he goes up against just makes claims
The other guy seemed actually pretty chill. He probably has crazy ideas most of the time, but he seemed like he actually cared.
People don't need to be pieces of shit just because you disagree with them.
STYX BEATS maybe, but latley rightwingers just seem to be grifters. A lot of rightwing youtubers basically just do it for cash. And all im saying is that this guy seemed genuine, and like he cared about the issues of homelessness.
STYX BEATS yes. that is why this guy is fine.
@@eilif8962 he’s still a piece of shit
The Trump supporter cared more about the fact that people had to "deal with seeing homelessness" rather than the fact that people have to deal with being homeless. On some issues, he has the right positions, but the entirely wrong approach.
Kobylt was fairly rational and was able to act like an adult, unlike a certain Caldwell...
Lol.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Because I just watched Hassan an Gianno, where the latter for just kept screaming even when Hassan was trying to answer his question 🤦♂️
I love how civil this conversation is and to my surprise how much of an eloquent smart man John Kobylt is as a republican with well supported views. Love to see more republicans like him on the show. Hasan Piker as usual a beast!
yeah he expressed his views on healthcare that are clearly from his own lived experience and the experience of many others, and it came through as an issue he clearly wanted to fix and was just let down by govt work in the past. it wasn't just memorized talking points that hasan often has to face. was a real nice interaction
I've never seen Hasan agree with someone else on this show as much as he does here.
I know this is a year old comment but i do want to chime in that hasan will agree with many conservatives in these "debates" but the problem is the conclusions the right-wing comes to is absolutely batshit.
It is so frustrating...i consider myself a communist and can get some of the most far right, wealthy boomers to agree with me on everything...all the way up to the solution. And my solutions arent creating a vanguard party and have a bloody revolution...although it seems like the only hope at this point...but moderate logical solutions....and they jump right back to bogus fox news tucker carlson talking points that are borderline fascist
Props to kobylt for actually having a decent conversation instead of yelling “wE aRE AmeRiCanS”
5:43 There’s a cut. Now I’m allowed to speculate on motives of the people running this show
there's like 3 major cuts in this video which cut off hasan as he was about to make a point. what a shitshow.
@@fabio-vb7xu tbf Hasan is a bit of a waffler. I'd wager it's time constraints
Lot of people complaining about the Bernie cut... There were a LOT of cuts in this video. I imagine their conversations went on for a while so the editor was forced to chop a lot of it.
Honestly a great debate panel here. Respectful, not interrupting, adding to the conversation in the pursuit of their own perspective of the truth. I could watch these two talk for hours.
@@vera39440 I can agree that that is very likely but I think it’s fair to be upset/speculate since it IS cut and there’s no real way to know what happened. If they uploaded the full thing to TH-cam, then maybe we could say that
@@Eden-LikeTheGarden-Rama why cut on a yt vid. there are no time restraints here
This is what I love about Hasan. He will always match the energy of whoever he debates. If his opposition is level headed and respectful he will respond with the same respect.
Scenes cut too soon. But glad Hasan had an interview where his counterpart wasn't a total screaming moron. Bernie is long gone at this point :( but, Team Hasan forever and ever!!
Are you referring to Gianno Caldwell?
He just kept screaming
Shoutout to Elex for having our boy on.
why are there so many cuts in this one? i was interested in what hasan was saying about bernie... 🤔
Same
I guess for some reason this is the edited version that they air on TV. Normally they are like 30-40 minutes but they have to cut it down to fit in the time slot
Hasan has made it clear even in his twitch that he’s all about Bernie and could talk for hours going in depth on why Bernie is amazing. The host seems to like Bernie so Idek why they cut him off, it’s disappointing though.
@@evaviolante2201 time constraints, you can fund the whole convos in podcast form i think though
John was actually a very good human being and actually reflects on things happening to humans in America. Crazy that a right wing conservative said that the government needs to take immediate action for the homeless.
I love the "wait in line for health care" argument. Like the only reason there might be less of a wait for your healthcare is because it excludes poor people lol so your argument is "I don't want more people going to the doctor when they need to because it would inconvenience me"
Love your profile picture. One of his best albums.
yep people who come from others contry to US to have something done are only the wealthy
Still is a good point and shouldn't be ignored. Health care for all is very complicated and shouldn't be instantly implemented or pushed aside.
@@anthonysanchez5429 That is a valid point, because we can't just throw money at the issue of healthcare and except it to work, we have to take the time to think and draft up what would essentially be an entirely new institution within the realm of American politics, our best bet would probably be to take inspiration from the best Universal Healthcare systems already in place in other countries, and try our best to implement something similar.
I just called to schedule a appointment with a GI specialist. Can not be seen for another 4 months..... Wait in line health care does not exist america am I RIGHT?
I absolutely love how healthy and rational this debate is. Extremely refreshing.
Very
The fact that we have to ask if the government should be helping homeless people....
The fact that we don’t tell homeless people to take care of themselves………
Because many can and just refuse to.
@@acrane1100 oooh, so now what does that say about our system? If people “prefer” to be homeless than to take care of themselves.
@@olivergreen3913 tells me that people like abdicating person responsibility so they can rely on government aid and drugs. Visit the massive tent cities on the west coast and you’ll see exactly why.
@@acrane1100 You know that you must meet certain criteria in order to qualify for government aid? I know the government does try to help but this is more of a latestagecapitalism problem. Also please don’t assume all these people are drug addicts. Homelessness creates drug addicts more often than Drug addiction creates homelessness. Which is why it’s a win win to try and solve this issue. Let’s ask ourselves why might people “abdicate” their responsibilities? Simply because the responsibilities aren’t worth it. This goes back to jobs and horrible cost of living (my perspective at least) But of course, there are 100s of sides to this. If you feel like your hard work is the reason for your success, please don’t lose sympathy for those less fortunate than you.
@@olivergreen3913 I only lose sympathy for people who refuse to better their lives. Capitalism is also NOT the reason homelessness exists. Not one shred of evidence or any longitudinal study to demonstrate that argument.
This is honestly a solid debate, even though I firmly align with one of the participants over the other. It helps when both people are at least acknowledging the same reality, seeing the same problems, and want the same outcomes.
Anyone else notice how uncomfortable John got when Hasan was saying he agrees on the homeless issue?
"I must be wrong if this damn communist agrees with me"
Team sports baby!
Oh wow he called Parasite winning the Oscars, Hasan is big brain
All fax no printer
You can tell they edited Hasan's comments out alot of the time. PepeLaugh
KEKW
Omegalul
As an editor watching this carefully, you can see how they cut this up so many times. Some of you have correctly pointed to a couple cuts made but I'm here to tell you there's way more. Watch carefully. They keep cutting up this conversation.
conservatives: but me..and my family
progressives: but like everyone
Underrated comment
@Andrea MENDENHALL This is what I ask conservatives who say what you said: What is the governments' job? To spend trillions on a stupid war, and to bail out big business but never small businesses?
@@gershonrozenberg5321 yess go off 🙌🏻
@Andrea MENDENHALL What do you mean, none of that should be done? Also, what is that structure's job?
@Andrea MENDENHALL Well I believe that healthcare, a living wage, criminal justice reform, and free public college is a basic right.
To see all three people on this episode get along so well made me happy.
Honestly that was one of the most genuine medicare for all debates (on both sides) and that’s saying a lot
It wasn’t. The other guys argument basically was he doesn’t trust government. Does that mean if he trusted the government he is okay with Medicare for all?
@@zahirulhossain8795 maybe but you got to understand he has good reasons to it trust thegovernment.
I like this debate because its very genuine and they are arguing their own points very respectfully.
Love you Hasan. So smart, caring and hot.
He really is. Looks very dashing in a turtle neck & blazer combo.
exactly i'm fangirling over him for real
hasMods
How does he keep getting away with it?
I’m not gay but he is kinda hot ngl
That was pretty good. Have Hasan on more often.
John Kobylt was very respectful, reasonable and honest. (Like when he said he thinks Trump isnt helping the homeless to score political points.)
Even though I disagree with some things he said like the issue on healthcare, that was a surprisingly wholesome debate.
Im late but It’s crazy to me that America doesn’t have free healthcare, like that should be a right not a privilege. -a Canadian
Agreed. As an American to my neighborly Canadian friend - could you do us all a huge favor and take Gavin Mcinnes back? Thanks!
This is by far the least condescending anti-M4A stance I've ever heard coming from an old white guy who can afford private insurance.
Hasan it's too late, I already watched this without you
This guy was one of the best Republicans/conservatives I've seen Hasan debate with, and probably the only one where he presented his ideologies and political ideas in a reasonable way.
For once, a debate that did not involve around people screaming or interrupting each other. I like it!
This was edited wayyyy too much. I understand saving for time but you significantly lowered the quality of your content by cutting so much.
This Hasan guy is kinda hot 😳
RIGHT?!
🥵🥵🥵
@@aerina444 oh my god bob hi :)) how's teddy doing?
He can't keep getting away with it
Keep watching him. He gets ugly real quick
It is *lovely* to hear a debate between people with conflicting views not devolve into a screaming match. No problems will every be solved when the two parties are trying to drown out the other.
Im a simple man i see hasan in a video i click on video
Can we all take a moment and appreciate Elex - I’ve never been one to watch political debate panels, but I’ve been on the edge of my seat in every Elex-led debate. He does a great job allowing each guest to speak their thoughts, and pops in at times to correct possible misinformation instead of allowing false info to air. He’s funny at times and always carries positive, upbeat energy. Love this guy
Elex: Homelessness is a bigger problem then ever
Music: 🎵🎶🎵🎶
1) Well done Hasan. You're getting better at these interviews and debates.
2) Los Angeles spent $4.75 Billion to solve the housing crisis. Ironically, the city is doing a pretty impressive job on a raw number scale. They were able to get 133 people / day into a home. However, the economic conditions are so fucking dire and tragic atm in LA that 147 people / day are losing their housing. Remember that people aren't able to afford a $300 emergency. The city is only capable of doing what is within their financial capacity to do, and while almost 5 Bill seems like a lot of money, its not enough to stem the hemorrhaging because the numbers have also been rising faster than we can keep up. $5 Billion only gets us about 23,000 people housed, and there are approx 150,000 unhoused people in LA. We need an additional $40 Billion to solve the housing crisis.
Hasan is smart, educated, professional and fine af. I don't know how more attractive someone could get. 😩
Ma’am this is a political debate
I don't agree with what a lot of John Kobylt is saying, but MAJOR props to him for being reasonable and respectful, as well as actually focusing on the issues and not trying to derail the conversation with unrelated tangents.
why do they cut for time on a youtube rerun? can't say i saw john being cut for time either.
i love this moderator lmao he is awesome.
BTW, why would it be relevant how happy you are with your private insurance. Other people who can't afford it do not benefit from private insurance. m4a is a less selfish option.
Thank you!
@@elexmichaelson girl he deadass commented 🏃🏾♀️
he is liberal hack masquerading as a neutral
@@assholic8944 liberals are neutral
@@assholic8944 In the world stage, social democrats are the actual neutral lmao
he is a bare minimum to be neutral
I really liked this one. Very civil, very kind, very respectful. Good on everybody here.
Hasan...if youre reading this...you have a small head pepelaugh jk
Second best Hasan* Use his proper title
@@michaelfarrell4824 *lesser hasan
Smol
Bring Hassan back
Finally a guest that lets Hassan speak and a great debate
PepeLaugh Chat knows but Hasan doesn’t
wow this was incredible
why clip hasan's explaination of bernie? triggered fox news
I hate the argument that Medicare for all will make it harder to go to the doctor, but that's because right now people just straight up skip the doctor now because they can't afford it even me.
Whoever is responsible for this cut needs to be spoken to.
John's point on why they should help the homeless who don't have access to sewage: "they shit in front of my wife!" How to be right and wrong at the same time...
It was so cut up he may have said other things as well but this did make it look bad. Either way he’s on our side so we’ll have to take him
I feel like he's both upset that his wife had to see it and that the dude had to do it public at all. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one
Wow this debate was actually a debate. Wish we had more like this trying to find common ground.
I live in Canada and I never had to wait at the hospital
One thing I hate about this segment is they don’t allow enough time for them to debate on the topics. Right when they were getting into the essential parts of the arguments, the host cuts it off and says they have to move on.
elex almost sounds disappointed that they agreed on so much
This is how both parties should always be, this was actually great. I only wish they didn’t cut some of the parts out.
That was awesome. It's like they both had sympathy for populists and disdain for the neoliberal establishment. Kinda like the American public.
I loved that this interview was chill and you could hear both sides coherently
5Head both sides
Crazy to see a good debate where the conservative wasn’t just screaming and blasting the same points they all do. In my opinion he seem to understand the problems and understand the government isn’t doing anything but he offers no solutions.
first time watching and somewhat liked how Elex seems like a good neutral party until they cut out 3 different segments from hasan...
This clip has been cut in multiple places, including 5:50, 20:35 and others, seemingly to cut Hassan off and make Kobylt look less fanatic
why can't the rest of Conservatives be like this guy?
He has a grasp on reality, its a miracle.
Right? Two calm rational adults have a fact based discussion. What a lovely sight.
at least kobylt seems like he thinks, even if i disagree with his opinions
Out of all of Hasan’s opponents I respect this guy the most, although Hasan still shmacked him
The idea that Americans trust the government with the military but not healthcare is insane to me
When the US government is more interested in solving humanitarian crises overseas (most of which they created themself) rather than solving humanitarian crises in their own country then it's clear that we're dealing with a broken system.
First time I've watched this. It's good. Michaelson is doing a good job.
Thanks! Hope you’ll watch more!
Hasan, Masha'Allah, even 3 years ago, knew how to speak well and articulate his perspective.
Very good example of how two different perspectives can have a civil debate.
Now THIS is a debate. Respectful of each other's time to speak, and respectful in general. I wish Gianno Caldwell could have understood this concept a bit more.
Hassan can turn a 5 minute clip into 2 hours imagine how long this would be without all the cuts lol
I love this debate. It was so calm and rational. Both Hasan and Kobylt were respecting each other's responses and both seem to genuinely care about the Americans. Unlike a certain Caldwell....
Hassan did great. Once again.
Out of the 3 people Azan debated in this show this dude is the one I actualy have some respect for, he debated like a Champ.
I'm watching PepeLaugh
they keep cutting him off wtf
Nice sweat pants hasan pepelaugh
Public healthcare DOES NOT mean ''Remove all private healthcare'' it means having a public option for the people that can not pay for their health. Honestly the people who believe that there shouldnt be a public option of healthcare basically believe that if you dont have money YOU DO NOT deserve to be alive. Its honestly inhumane. I live in europe and we have public healthcare and we have private healthcare. Private hospital bills can be covered 80% by our public health insurance. As a result of that people dont die of a fucking cold or some shit like that. Public hospitals are not funded greatly so a private one is better but both have competent doctors and some bad doctors. We have options. Americans dont have options, their option is pay all the money you have or die. Thats the option.
This was a pleasant interview.
Too many cuts
Sorry Hasan, Watched this without you
A debate that's actually watchable, unlike other republicans John seems like a level-headed guy and not a complete HOG.
Love you john (and ken show) FOREVER! Fan for 25 years
How did they get a priest from dark souls on the show?
I don't like the amount of times they cut the clip right in the middle of Hasan talking. Not sure what that's about but kinda fishy.
HASAN KILLED IT
watching Hasan not fake laugh at the centrist's bad jokes is so fulfilling.
good debate though
a very good discussion i didnt mind johns opinion and he seems a very open conservative compared to many i have seen
Where is the full unedited video pepeLaugh
yo this is actually nice. 2 people with different opinions having a conversation without screamimg and throwing fits at each other
Cutting WeirdChamp
I like both of these guys. What’s wrong with me? LOL No, seriously - they are both very intelligent and make good points. It pays to be open minded. There is room for people to have opinions and viewpoints that come from both sides of the spectrum.
Where was the debate? It was more like both people answering a question
This was a very wholesome and healthy conversation