The fact that some of the parents of the victims had to go back to work after their child was murdered is so wrong. Their employers should've provided emergency PAID family leave. I hope the grieving parents that had to go back to work after loosing their child expose their heartless employers.
Kendo America will never have that. Corporations hate all of us and have convinced many people that something of that sort would be a “free handout” and that these people should pull themselves up by the boot straps and get back to work.
@@KendoOCE We do in CA - I thought it was federal but Texas has much more strict laws about employee rights. Heartbreaking. I’d never support those businesses again.
Remember that many of these families are farm workers, and immigrants. The way this country treats migrant workers, and it’s disdain for immigrants means they become an easily exploitable population bc no one is holding these big agro businesses accountable. This country proves time and time again how little it cares for its citizens and how expendable we all are, even the children.
@@RicardoMartinez-hi2to I gaurentee that each family that lost their child would much rather have their child than 40,000$ and of not they don't deserve to have kids or a family
Disgusting, standing there knowing that there are children in there getting slaughtered. I mean it must have been really scary and maybe they werent trained well for this type of situation but still...
@@ProtTheKPAXian They recently all had active shooter training. There is a picture out there now that shows Pete and others with high powered guns etc .in the hallway. They decided to not go in and engage.
If there are ever people who deserve to be killed, it’s those who chose not to act when they were the sole lifeline. I don’t promote violence, but after I die, I’m going to drag every one of those goddamn cowardly cops to hell if they aren’t there already, and I’ll be the one to torture them for eternity. That’s what cowardice gets.
And now they’re hiding most if not all the information parents and the town need. In my opinion the employer’s need to be sensitive to what’s happened here and provide them some paid time off…
Especially governor brags about beinf "texas tough" and doing state sanction killings to murderers, and bragging and daring violent offendors to try to do stupid things in their great state of texas. Yet.the cops arrested actual texas citizens who are texas tough n running towards the school wanting to.gun down the shooter
If they want to do something about crime why not do things that actually reduce because a gun and being tough on crime ain't it also it the same with border security
The entire Uvalde police needs to serve time in prison. If a truck driver can be sentenced to prison for failing to use the runaway truck ramp, then the same should happen to the police for refusing to do their job. They took at oath, cashed the paychecks then refused to fulfill their obligation. Lock them up!
@wallbanger they had 19 of them with vests helmets shot guns and I’m sure some with fully automatic m4’s if not ar15’s versus one ar15. Not outgunned they couldn’t blast through the steel door and concrete frame.
Because they thought the shooter was a border jumper. They let him kill all those kids because they wanted the conversation to be about regulating the border, instead of guns.
@@firstname7792 is there any evidence or even a conspiracy or this? I don’t doubt it, just curious. Although I’m kind of doubtful those cowards even had the courage to fire a shot.
@@StraightFelon People are thinking this is a possibility since the police department i believe put out a tweet stating that no child was shot by an officer. Up to that point it really didn't cross peoples mind. Them doing so made a lot of people suspect that they actually did shot one of the students and now with them not cooperating with investigations make the situation seem a lot more probable. But only time will tell.
The journalist did a fantastic job asking the right questions, it's so important to give a voice to the people who experience this tragedy, the country needs to hear their thoughts, feel their pain and demand change.
They asked the same ignorant questions they ask every gun owner. "But the shooter used an AR-15 to shoot people that makes it evil right?" Gun owner, "WTF are you talking about you fu*king looney toon Liberal?"
This journalist brought racial discrimination into it. The shooter was Hispanic himself and the victims were of multiple ethnicities. The fault lies with the police department and their lack of training and ability to properly perform their job. Don’t get the point confused here.
#BackTheBlue 🏈Arm Chair Quarterbacks? 🚙Back Seat Drivers? 🎮Play Station Warriors? 🕹 😳THE AUDACITY! 🤯THE DISRESPECT! 😨THE BLATANT RACISM! 😱THE IGNORANCE! God bless these 👮🏽BRAVE, HEROIC LATINO PEACE OFFICERS👮🏼 who followed 📚OFFICIAL PROTOCOL 📖 which says, “Do not . . . *RUSH IN RECKLESSLY* . . . or . . . . . . *PHYSICALLY ENGAGE* . . . because you might . . . *EXACERBATE* . . . the situation.” In other words, 🔥do not bust into a classroom full of kids, like a *RAMBO WANNABE*, because you could cause even more damage! 🔥Ignore the Haters who know absolutely NOTHING about SWAT TEAM TACTICAL PROCEDURES!
I was a fireman in Chicago. Twenty minutes into my first day I was on a run. We averaged three fires a day then. I know fear first hand. I also knew my fellow fireman were there for me. We took risks often. We understood the risks, but we took them. It goes with the job. Being a fireman taught me everything I needed to know about myself and the greater good. It's okay to be scared, but the job must be done. I would have gone into Robb Elementary with an axe. I'm not just saying this. I learned it on the job.
Sure you would have gone in with an axe.... the killer's dead now! The massacre is over!! You know what the right call was now. So it's easy to draw your own narratives and scenarios. No disrespect to firemen but you guys are who you are. Not cops, respectfully you weren't there! Anymore than a police office wasn't there when you were fighting fires or rescuing people. If there's one thing a fireman does know about its safety!!! And I'm sorry bro but you can't tell me 19 officer's busting into a small classroom, emptying thousands of rounds aimed at only the gunman is a safe situation. Anyone can play the terrible incident in their head, and draw conclusions from the comfort of their keyboard but at that time there were too many mistakes, from lawmakers, to teachers leaving doors unsecured to cops not responding.It was a big mess.
@@gordsruby5963 You seem to question my courage. You also imply I make easy decisions after the fact. Fair enough. You are entitled to your opinion. I submit to you that 19 cops have a better chance of saving lives in their Uvalde situation by killing the gunman than we ever had when surrounded by smoke and unstable surroundings. In either case, cops or fireman, we are expected to perform with courage. Further, cops not entering a classroom is a far less safe situation for the innocent children inside. As for my narratives at my comfortable keyboard, I would gladly exchange places with any one of those murder kids right now. But I cannot prove that to you. I am a fireman. I know me. You do not. I know what I would have done. Chicago Fire Department...Truck Company 47 and proud of it!
@@jimtrack3786 Yes....you probably would trade places with those kids very, very Nobel of you, also very stupid sir!! Then, that means you are a selfish person. Leaving your own family to grieve your death for someone you don't even know! It's not your call to give your life. Not to mention giving your life is a sin. I think it's all macho bullshit. Now you're in a fire, sure I get it! It's your job, it's what you signed up for, but as I said.... officer's emptying thousands of rounds into a classroom full of children is not the idea of a shooting range. As for the keyboard part, it's the truth, just look around at all the comments, nothing but hero, bad ass Rambo tough guys.
Thank you for your service but the reality is law enforcement are trained to generate revenue for the government at the expense of private citizens 🤷🏽♀️ they do not know how to fight bad guys unless It’s unarmed law abiding private citizens trying to get to and from work🤷🏽♀️
I just got to the part about the father searching for his son and it’s so heartbreaking. He had to be identified through DNA because he was destroyed by a assault weapon meant for war and hunting. Instead used on someone’s baby boy. How can people really sit here and justify owning/ needing/ wanting such a weapon when you can literally see the damage right in front of you, while communities are in shambles but “it’s fun to own” should take precedence of LITERAL HUMAN LIFE.
The AR 15 isn't even considered as an assualt weapon. The reason why people purchase and own AR 15s is because it's an excellent weapon for self defence. Literally every anti gun person doesn't know anything about guns.
They need to stay by politicos offices with photos of those poor kids with golf ball sized holes in their bodies. Make it as uncomfortable as possible.
I have been taking a break from following this but honestly every time I hear about this I cry or just become so deeply sad about this. This whole situation just turns my stomach.
Yep, me too. Took a break for about a week. One minute into a story about a Robb Elementary teacher talking about each student…shoulder shaking cry. They are tears of sadness…and anger.
I take a break and feel guilty because the parents cannot do the same, their entire lives are now forever impacted. I can turn off the tv and forget momentarily but many cannot. This privilege is something we all have to acknowledge so we do not normalize another massacre. Something has to change.
@@isabelchaparro2608 Absolutely! I hope laws are changed and I feel that this could have been prevented in many ways. This needs to stop and changes need to be made.
I feel extremely bad for these parents. I could never imagine losing a child to gunfire in their own school. May god give them the strength and courage to heal swiftly. Prayers to all the victim’s families and friends.
Let us also not forget how your god who hasn’t been demonstrated to exist watched the gunman kill all of those kids and the 2 teachers. When are we going to stop believing in Iron Age gods who haven’t been demonstrated to exist smh. I know you mean well but sending prayers literally does nothing to help. It helps you feel good but it does nothing for the grieving parents in reality
Prayers will do nothing nöw. Action is needed. Greg needs to go. He needs to step down he is not capable of governance. These children deserve a future.
@@OmnipotentO Unfortunately it is and was his right, but the gun didn't cause him to commit this act. He brought up a point that a car could be used to do the same thing, and so can a bomb made from fertilizer. I don't really agree with the "Obama Sucks" sticker but to be frank I'm a progressive individual with a pragmatic approach to gun control... so I am perfectly aware of the fact that if it isn't a gun being used, it'll be something else. Guns already require a federal background check to purchase (yes, even in Texas), felons are unable to purchase firearms legally because of this already. So instead of addressing guns as the issue (which in all honesty the availability of a high capacity rifle capable of killing hasn't been a new idea since WW2 and was even more easily available up until the 1980s) we should address why the 18 year old committed the act in the first place. I gurantee that a 16 year old with a car driving down a crowded festival street will cause at least as many casualties as a mass shooting, and in some prior circumstances, has even caused more. I think that if you can be drafted into the military at 18, to fight and kill and die in a war that some politician wages, you should be able to drink and be able to smoke. Frankly, you're allowed to use a rifle and kill in the military everytime you are deployed, and I think it's kinda fucked up you're allowed to die to an enemy combatant, mine, bomb, etc. before you can drink or smoke.
@@V3RTIGO222 there's laws against murder yet murder still happens. Those murderers will always find a way if they really want to. Guess there's nothing we can do and laws are pointless then huh. Nobody's saying stricter gun laws will magically stop all gun violence dead in its tracks. It obviously won't but if it's stops SOME gun violence that'll be an improvement from what we have now
Every cop in the hallway needs to be fired. You get paid to serve and protect.. You didn't do either one.. Hire real men who will do what the job asks for. Uvalde deserves better police officers
False. Marjorie Stoneman Douglas did too. It didn't help. Buffalo had a ex cop and Veteran. It didn't help. GUNS are the problem STFU with your talking point
This whole situation is beyond upsetting it just hits you right through the heart. I wish the families of Uvalde the best health and fortune going forward.
I feel terrible for him. He thought having Rojelio in school here would provide him with the best opportunities. His son didn’t make it past elementary school.
As a fellow Texan who lives nearby Uvalde my heart breaks anew everyday for our babies and their families. I wish grown men would stop putting their own petty fears over reality and the lives of the innocent and agree on reasonable laws that save American lives. Instead they cling to the idea they'll need their personal firearms to slaughter Americans one glorious day when their fellow citizens under the orders of our own government come to kill everyone. I mean the sheer bloodlust and excitement to someday have the guns to slaughter other Americans is sick and twisted. Our State Militia aka National Guard Units are trained, armed and ready and the FF guaranteed us that the feds can never disarm our State National Guard units for that very purpose so they could represent their fellow citizens and fight the federal forces. This sick and twisted interpretation of the 2nd amendment is leading more people to die in our streets in times of peace than ever died for the country in war. It's ridiculous. Take away the freedom of our children, lock them into prisons everyday so grown men with aspirations to one day mass slaughter other Americans in glorious civil war can keep their fear based "tools". Then they fail to see its them giving up everyone's liberty to have a normal life from fear all while slinging that old quote and twisting it to make it apply to them. Brainwashed, Misguided idiots allowing the slaughter of the innocent.
The NRA and gun industry make sure , with their paid political henchman , all Texas republicans in the legislative branch and the governor only protect the Gun's right to exist , but no laws to protect innocent children's right to exist safely from the slaughter of this particular weapon of choice for all past mass murderers . All most 600 children have lost their lives to gun violence since Abbott became governor in 2015 and counting .. over 60 plus this year under 11, 3 of the top extreme mass shootings have occurred in Texas during Abbott's reign .. and they still don't get it . At the hearings no one mentions the preferred weapon for mass shooters . Why !? Gun rights before children won't allow it !!
It's mental, they can have the 2A and still have guns for self-defense! The right to bear arms != The right have own weapons of war. But Americans will never change.
In the past two years, Uvalde held two training sessions about active shooters. One of them was two months before the shooting. The documents given to police outline specific scenarios on how police should respond. The documents make it very clear: the most import priority in active shooter scenarios is to engage the killer as soon as humanly possible because of the high casualty rates in short time frames. The training documents outline that stopping the killer is the absolute priority and that walking past the cries of the injured may be necessary. It's essential to engage the shooter ASAP. Due to the urgency to engage the shooter, it's often not feesible to have a full team of officers ready to respond. Many scenarios practiced by the police outlined one or two officers responding alone. One scenario detailed a two officer team where one officer is shot during the entrance, and the other office is expected to continue alone. It's harsh to say the officers "should" have died, but that's what's outlined in their training document: "A first responder unwilling to place the lives of the innocent above their own safety should consider another career field." Around 11:00AM on the day of the shooting, the gunman shot his grandmother in the head. She called 911 (1st call to police). The gunman then took his grandmother's car to go to the school. At 11:28AM, the shooter crashes the car in a ditch near the school. Two people witnessed the crash and attempted to help the gunman, but he released fired on them. The witnesses escaped and called the police (2nd call to the police). A few minutes later, a teacher notices the crash and notes that he has a gun and calls 911 (third call to police). The shooter walks through the parking lot, while firing his AR-15, and enters the school at 11:33AM. Police have already arrived at a funeral home adjacent to the school. At 11:35AM, 3 police officers rush the same lock-failed door which the gunman used to enter the school. Upon entering, they received grazing wounds from the shooter and retreat to get more "tactical teams, equipment, specialty equipment, body armor, precision rifleman, and negotiators." Four police enter in response, but retreat to cover after hearing gunshots. The shooter continues firing in two connected, locked classrooms. Police are still arriving at the scene and no action has been taken by 11:51AM. At this point, about 20 rounds have been heard by police. At 12:15PM, the border patrol tactical unit arrived with shields. For the next hour, the police department would receive 6 additional calls from 3 children. > "I can hear the police in the next room." > "Please send the police." At 12:50AM, an hour and 17 minutes after the shooter entered the school, a border patrol tactical office opened the door with a janitorial key and shot the gunman. The response couldn't have been more contradictory to the training. They did everything wrong. The police did everything the document specifically warned about the dangers of doing. It's fucking insane. The LITERAL only reason every child in the class room isn't dead is because the shooter was taking his sweet time. And the police aren't cooperating with investigation because they know they are fucked. The Uvalde police department essentially listened to 21 children and teachers get murdered until actual help decided to show up, and the border patrol unit still took 40 minutes to respond. I don't understand.
The police were going on this stupid “ bring ‘em in alive” mentality I think. See for some reason cops try to bring these people in breathing so they can be put on trial. See in Pittsburgh a few years ago we lost 3 cops to a barricaded criminal. They negotiated him out and arrested him when they should have just said “ come out unarmed and surrender or we’ll bulldoze the house on top of you. Well I agree in this situation the police officers there should have rushed the killer and ended him quickly. Ironically a similar incident occurred at Virginia tech. The police just surrounded the building where a gunman was barricaded in and they did nothing while he killed people. School shooters should get dropped as soon as they can be dropped. In most cases they’re suicidal anyways
@@matthewcaughey8898 right, not like there's any question to their guilt, everyone is watching them shoot people and this guy did a live stream too if i remember right? like there was 0 doubt on guilt here. they have no issue shooting black people for 'looking like they reached for a gun' so why not shoot a gunman actively killing people?
WELL.....SAME WITH PORT ARTHUR MASSACRE IN TAS-AUSTRALIA. POLICE TOOK 4-6 HOURS TO SHOW UP. THERE IS A PATTERN. IT IS ALL LEADING TO THE SAME OUTCOME. I HAVEN't GOT TIME TO GO BACK NTO DETAIL. IT INVOLVES GOING DOWN A VERY DEEP DARK RABBIT HOLE THAT GOES BEYOND HE SHALLOW RPETITIVE MEDIA NARRATIVE OF THE LONE MENTALLY UNSTABLE NUTTER. DO YOUR RESEARCH. DAVID ICKE.......
@@matthewcaughey8898 no they were cowards. They just put out the hr long video. You can tell these cops are wanna bes and werent ready to put their lives on the line WHEN IT MATTERED MOST! I tell you right now I would have 100% put my life at risk to save them and at the very least I know I could draw attention from the shooter so maybe my other officers can get a shot and if I die in that process then so be it!
They had matching uniforms, clean and pressed. Shoes...black and shiny ✨️. So they got one small thing right that day. Got to look good for the soulless lemming jump.
We cannot let this be forgotten with no change just like every ither shooting. The police department should be investigated and body cam footage released, period.
And apparently the doors to the classrooms were UNLOCKED THE ENTIRE TIME and those cowards never tried to open the doors to take out the gunman! What the fvck?! Disgusting and disgraceful. They must face public pressure to release everything.
Police are not accountable so long as they are "following policy" and say what the lawyers tell them to say. Sadly I've had to teach my children that police are not their friend and should be avoided at all cost. Thank God my kids are white.
I just want to commend Paola Ramos for showing empathy respect and being cautious but direct in the questions asked. She made a true effort in allowing the interviews a platform to speak their thoughts with out trying to squeeze out a desired responses. I hope the community can find strength and resilience with each other to move forward.
You can’t rent a car until 25 in most places. Why not raise the age of buying guns to that? Anyone who thinks that too old is probably a part of the problem. Edit: the family who had all the guns are a perfect example how the vast majority of the nation understands the balance. You should be able to acquire any weapon but make classifications of how intense the checks are. Like I may want a Browning M1919 but should I be able to buy one just because…No
@Marshawn Briggs Briggs! We family bruh I'm a Briggs too. But you could still have a gun at 18-24 just not one you bought on your own. You'd need a cosigner.
@@cosseybomb you could pull a trunk assault like those two guys did with the sniper and the peep hole. Basically where there is a will there is a way kinda argument.
Thank you for keeping this story in the news and for acknowledging the history of the town. How the assembled families outside of Robb were treated on that day still plays in my head. The class system in Uvalde is strong.
You know, if there are prayers but you don't have the heart to change things...those prayers are worthless to not just to people but also to God. God wants sincerity to carry out godly actions. And this is stated in various verses like James 2:14-17 "What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead."
@@EmeraldMara85 you do realize that people cam pray and do thing to change the situation right? It's not like you can't do anything once you pray use your brain bro.
Thank you for your professional journalism and for always showing us the other side. My heart continues to go out to this community, all the children, survivors, everyone affected!! #enoughisenough #bettergunlaws #gunreform
A fat police reform needs to happen and the coc (chain of command) needs to be taken accountable. But they're keeping all information hidden from public. The parents can sue easily with the evidence if they release that info.
And the media isn't even talking about it anymore like it never happened. And this keeps happening again and again. Why does the saying go "history repeats itself"? It's because people refuse to learn from their mistakes.
The guy talking Spanish towards the end , just hit home hard his kid is literally like my son! My heart hurts so much for these parents! Can’t imagine 😢
6:57 This is an argument that many pro 2A people make, if you ever have this conversation with someone and they bring this point up, ask them if they ride their gun to the grocery store to feed themselves and their family, do they ride their gun to pick up life saving medicines, is their employment or employment opportunities directly tied to their ability to ride their gun many miles since public transportation infrastructure is so awful in most of the major cities and almost all of the more rural communites. It seems as though American exceptionalism has eroded in the minds of many that their is a distinct difference between rights and privilege's. Owning a gun may be considered a right in America, but to allow it to supersede the right of a human being to exist is mind boggling from a non-American perspective. That said this interview and entire segment was seemingly handled well and respectfully, kudo's to the journalist for that.
The facet that Federico’s story hasn’t been shared on mainstream media me da asco. He is a human being who SON WAS KILLED. This is such bullshit. I haven’t seen any sort of coverage and it boils my blood. Thank you Vice for giving this family a voice.
6:53 Majority of mass killers don’t choose cars, knife, poison, or any other weapons to commit a public mass murder. They’ve always go for the ones that can make deadly impacts in a short amount of time and the only weapon that is capable of doing it successfully is firearms. Guns are now the #1 leading cause of death in the U.S., exceeding the number of deaths from motorized vehicle, so that statement of his and many others’ are invalid.
I went to visit the Memorial on Saturday. It was awful. As I was driving into Uvalde and passing the elementary school I was listening to the news story about Senator John Cornyn getting booed at a recent GOP convention for being involved in the gun reform effort.
@ZEEK why is that quote untrue just because criminals use it? I mean I guess it doesn’t make sense considering if it’s legal there is no consequence to be “caught with it”. I can’t own guns, but I would feel safer having one. Considering I’m not a psycho or idiot I don’t feel there’s a risk having one in the house. When I lived in the ghetto I felt like absolute prey not owning a gun.
When the dad said he can’t stop working because he has other kids he needs to bring money to that hurt my soul this father should be able to mourn his son in peace. Is there a go fund me for him ?
@@kimf.8518 Why should I help fund pffhhucking DHS active shooter drill propaganda??????????? Goddamn,.....a box of unwashed gravel has more intelligence than you. Nobody died in Uvlade like nobody died in Newtown, you ignorant sheep.
I'm feeling a movement forming in Uvalde similar to the Sewol parents. What may appear to be despair and unending pain can also be channeled into an eternal flame of will, sacrifice and societal change.
@@stereomachine lmao I’m a conspiracy theorist but the “depopulation” comment is so dumb. How many people die of mass shootings in a year? Gotta be less than a thousand. Not making much of a dent in the population lmao
I thought it was disgusting when he agrees “sure, sure, sure” while she explains“we know from testimony that that was literally able to destroy the kids.” 🤯🤦🏻♀️ Then he goes on to say “it’s fun for us” The maniacal child murderer agrees with you so congratulations. You cannot reason with these types of people.
They will surely be held accountable. These folks in this town will never forget. I see the parents pain. I could never not do anything to avenge my child’s death. An eye for an eye.
American fail to understand/acknowledge that a car is designed to get a person from point A to B, a gun is designed to kill. Their rationale that it's a sport is irrelevant to the argument. A knife is not a weapon of death, a car is not a weapon of death, a gun is a weapon of death. What's the purpose of an individual owning so many gun? Why?! Everyone likes bowling, not everyone that bowls owns a bowling ball!!!
A gun is a tool. You fail to realize there's entire nations filled with ruthless cartel violence and the citizens aren't even allowed to own guns in these countries.. look at Mexico and South America.. kids getting shot is extremely terrible but you still have a higher chance of getting hit by a car in reality.
Why do you need over 50 guns tho? And if someone’s breaking into your house why would you go to a gun safe instead of a side arm or something more accessible…
Such a sad real story. My heart and prayers goes out to all the of those school children, parents, their friends, family members, the teachers and community. So many in mourning. My prayers to all.
No matter how many times I hear the parents speak, I start crying. As a mother, their pain, their love, their hearts, their babies were taken for what? For a BS idea based on a bad reading of one line in the constitution! And still, Repugs don't want to pass real gun safety measures! When will enough be enough?!
Typical women basis their entire view on emotion over logic. Look up what’s happened to countries when the guns get taken. Even a first would country like Australia turns completely authoritarian. You’re probably the type of boot licker that likes people getting arrested for Facebook posts though
Change needs to happen now. Why aren't there extensive background checks for all gun pruchasers,no matter if they are over 21 or under 21? There's nothing wrong with making sure a person is capable of making good decisions with firearms! Why aren't there mandatory psych evaluations, preferably from 2 or more different psychologists & psychiatrists, in order to obtain approval to own a firearm? We can evaluate a person while driving, but we can't extensively evaluate a person to see if they are even mentally capable of responsibly handling a firearm? So many things wrong with America, and God sees all!
All you need to do is go back to the 1994 assault weapons ban. Disallow any rifle that can hold more then 10 rounds and require those be turned in. Offer owners of said weapons a reasonable bolt action hunting rifle ( of they claim it’s for hunting) or a perfectly capable 12 gauge pump action shotgun ( if they claim home defense) As to handguns those should be restricted back to a maximum of 10 shots and people should learn HOW TO ACTUALLY AIM. Cause if you cant defend yourself with a 5 shot .38 special S&W J frame then 15 or 17 shots ain’t going to do any better. If you want to be sure you don’t need to shoot twice then carry a .357 or a .44 magnum. I carried a Kahr K40 for several years only had 7 shots total plus 1 reload. Felt perfectly safe carrying it. These days a 10 shot micro compact is all you really need with you. And a good maverick 88 pump art home. If they want my AR-15 and want to offer me fair compensation for it I got no problem with that
you mustve never bought a gun...they do a background check and of your not a felon a few other things that don't allow you own one, you can buy one. some states have a waiting period others don't. criminals don't follow the law therefore making them harsher only effect the good law abiding citizens and its wrong
@@themanwithnonamecalledwyat7575 keyword "extensive" background checks. I meant a more extensive background check, and mandatory psych evaluations- which shouldn't be an issue for anyone if there's nothing to hide, ya know...
@@matthewcaughey8898 agreed- though plus mandatory psych evaluations & approvals. Doesn't mean they will catch every person who buys a gun then later uses it for illegal & criminal purposes, but they will catch some people who applied for a gun for the wrong reasons.
Why would you be against making it harder to get a gun?! Making it harder to obtain a weapon will not effect those who have no reason to be declined for one in the first place. If an individual finds it hard to legally obtain a deadly weapon like a firearm its probably because they are not deemed fit to have one, simple!
Because guns are the only thing that keep our government from herding us into cages. You're literally watching the police do nothing while asking why we should have the tools to protect ourselves.
I feel like 21 is still too young to be able to purchase a gun. I think 25 would be a more reasonable age. At 21 most people are still trying to figure themselves out.
The thing about "if someone wants to do damage they'll find a way to do it" is that it's a strawman argument. You are using this because of your confirmation bias, because subconsciously you are putting your right to own and carry weapons and the pleasure you have on it above that of the potential beneficial effects this can have for your community, and society of your country at large. You can chose another hobby or take another sport for the sake of your kids and community, right? I'd hope so. See, no one is saying that legislation to regulate weapons will stop terrorism and that tragedies will stop happening. It's not about that. The call for it comes when tragedy happens, but the idea behind regulations is not as simple as "if we had them, this wouldn't have happened". The black market will continue existing, terrorism and terrorist attempts will continue happening, and people will always get creative to do whatever evil stuff they have in mind.... as people are very creative doing good things too. It's about this general mentality though. But it's exactly about making it harder, and doing something other than just crying and sending thoughts and prayers. Because in a country that mass shootings are quickly becoming a weekly if not daily event, it's clear that some action, any action, is better than just sitting around and seeing the massacres happen, the only reaction afterwards being to send thoughts and prayers. No situation changes with only that. Assault weapons were designed to and have just one utility in hand - to kill living things fast and efficiently. You can use cars, knives, and other stuff to kill people too, sure, but it's just not as efficient, convenient, and inconspicuous as weapons are. More importantly, it's not made for purpose - weapons are. This might not sound like much, but it actually has widespread consequences. The general problem with US mass shootings and domestic terrorism is multi-faceted. What the US really needs it a broad, reaching and complete cultural revolution to really start solving all of this. It's not only regulation on weapons, mental health system reform, and rethinking of the entire police response system and training... it's even deeper and more tied to culture. The message that is going in TV news, what is taught in schools, what you see in movies and entertainment, what is glamourized or exploited and sensationalized in media, what people see as tools for resolving conflict as they grow up, what society considers adequate in conflict situations, all the way up to wealth distribution, discrimination laws, what the state does to guarantee the citizenry basic needs and rights. There are reasons why people with deeply troubled lives reaches the conclusion that picking up weapons and shooting strangers in cold blood is some sort of way out... and it has to be fed through the culture they are in, or else a mass shooting epidemic would be present in every single country. But it isn't. Some countries that are even more liberal about gun ownership don't have it, as well as countries that completely forbids firearms ownership and purchasing with very few exceptions. Problem is, a complete cultural reform such that is needed to revert what is happening in the US is even less likely than remediation measures such as imposing more scrutiny on who owns a gun. Put very simply, if the US can't even pass gun regulation laws to reduce the likelihood of those things happening, it cannot ever change itself as much as it needs to even start solving the problem. No one should expect for better gun regulation to solve the problem completely, but the situation the US is currently in is that if you don't take any measures, any at all, to reduce the probability of these shootings happening - they'll just continue happening. In fact, they'll likely keep going up as other factors become worse. Racism, tribalism, political divide, prejudice in all forms, religious radicalism, all forms of extremism... if the outlet you have for people who are deeply troubled by all sorts of problems is mass killings, then when these things gets worse, what you get is more mass killings. You have to try something no matter if it's not all that much effective, because your culture needs to signify in some better way that things cannot continue as they are. Because thoughts and prayers, telling people to stay strong, sending messages that your community won't stop being itself because of yet another horrible massacre, just isn't working. Gun reform is a start, and only a start. People have to get behind actions, not only being sad and empathizing in some insignificant useless level. Imagine if all that people did with the pandemic was send thoughts and prayers for the family of victims. The world is seeing a drastic reduction in deaths and cases because something was done about it... preventive measures and fast track vaccination system that came at extremely high costs and joint efforts of the doctors, scientists and researchers. This is what mass shootings in the US should be looked at as. This is why some people call it an epidemic. Because it needs to be seen as something that needs action, real action and real changes to if not be solved, at least be better prevented.
I’m pretty pro gun (despite not being allowed to own one as a felon) but I agree with you. The “people will just find another way” argument is stupid. Imagine if you could buy nuclear bombs at the store and when people tried to ban them after multiple bombings with thousands of victims pro Nuke people says “they’ll just find another way”. The efficiency of the rifle is a great factor. I’m pro gun on the merit of personal protection and protection against tyranny. I am honest enough to concede the fact that I want to own a gun to protect myself and my family, but that more guns = more killings as well.
@@StraightFelon not if the person your trying to kill have guns on them. Be honest if someone wanted to kill as many people as possible would they shot up a military base or a mall? Point is people with guns deter other people with guns.
This was such a good piece. It was produced so well. The history, the community efforts, the realities, the present and future outcomes, it was moving in every way. All of it so sad yet it was Uvalde again who was the push to reform just as they were historically. And this is all so sad.
Their souls are playing in the fields of the after, watching with pride, those who remain honoring them. Keeping strong can sometimes be hard, but a good way to go about it is to believe if you live the life your lost one wished for, you will see them again one day. So keep strong
Yes that's nice and all but I care too much in the truth. Unfortunately there is no evidence of anything after. Which is why life is so much more important - it's the only one we get. The only one those children had. And by continuing to refuse to get rid of their guns for 'fun' is a slap in the face for the family members left behind.
The Uvalde massacre has all the earmarks of Mexican-American/Latino racism and discrimination. The non-Border Control cops could not be bothered to risk their lives for a Mexican-American town. They waited for the shooter to run out of bullets or kill himself. Uvalde was inside our borders. We needed TX cops to protect, serve, and save Uvalde as an American town under siege. What we got was deliberate inaction and rejection, dismissing Uvalde as not in their jurisdiction, because in their minds Mexican-American lives don't matter. If that's not the case, then why is it not? All you have to do is ask all 383 cops to write a response as to why they did nothing that day. Why border control cops did their job and no one else did?
I went to offer therapy two weeks after this happened for one weekend and it was quite an experience being in that town. I almost felt like an intruder and there were signs everywhere that said Uvalde strong and there were 21 crosses and 21 bouquets on so many businesses and I remember talking to a member of the hospital staff that was at the hospital on the day of the shooting and they said I don’t understand why I am so desensitized to this. They talked about how some of the children came in and we’re completely destroyed physically and they said they couldn’t allow themselves to cry because they had a job to do and even after it was done, they still hadnt cried. The look in this person’s eyes was haunting. As I drove home that weekend I remember thinking, it’s great the community has shown up but some of these people were being reminded of it daily all over the place. It was a weird feeling. At first I felt honored to be there and when I left I felt like I was intruding on a broken community that had so much healing to do.
There are so many signs and things the school "let go"and tried to hide under the rug especially the shooters family. So many signs that the kid was troubled and needed help. No one did anything.
The problem is so much bigger than guns or the age, it's the cruelty of American culture. That kid was so hurt and isolated he felt like his only recourse was to kill people. Let's talk about the root cause not the symptoms
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I myself who’s a security guard who works at a school seeing this hurts deep down in my heart. The lack of security at school not being at front entrances and exits, to the gunman entering the school by a opened door that was opened by a teacher who forgot to make sure the door was shut closed, to law enforcement not doing their job is wrong. we need change. we need better laws. we need a country with leadership. I’m only a 21 year old young hispanic man from from Texas, but this makes me afraid to bring a child into this world like this. I pray for the family’s. Rezo por todas las familias que perdieron a sus hijos que Dios y la luz estén con ustedes.
Those pig’s are all tough when they face someone who cannot be a treat to them, but when they face real danger, they don’t want to face it. ALL THE COPS INVOLVED IN THIS ARE COWARDS!!!!
I would think uvalde residents would be out protesting/demanding police chief or police department to be replace but nope. They care more about the status quo than holding the cowards responsible.
It is so clear that the Latino people of Texas are being given no consideration from their Republican government! Latino people are kind, law-abiding people and, by nature, are humble and loving toward their family and people around them. If we look at the horrible massacre in the Uvalde school, we realize that most of the teachers and students were Latino. Why is it that the victims of this slaughter are not even being mentioned in the arguments about what happened on the day of the massacre. All we hear about is why the police chief acted the way he did and why the police acted the way they did. The victims and the parents of the victims are "invisible" in any discussion of what happened that day! Oh yes, it is interesting that the police chief is himself Latino and I will bet most of the police were Latino. Why did this happen???
The sherriff police didn't even give a public statement to the people of Uvalde in Spanish, knowing that most understand spanish. There is no consideration of the people.
@@arianaortiz9635 Ariana, I totally agree! My next question is: why do the Latino people of Texas vote Republican and feel that the Republican party is a good voice for them? This is a perfect example of why they are wrong! The Republican Party is the conservative party and speaks for the conservatives of our country. Aside from the fact that most Latinos are Catholic, Latinos are not conservative in their political beliefs!!!
Another question they should be asking all these people that get guns and lie on the application why aren’t they getting arrested it’s a felony to lie on that application
The police have already shown they don’t care from the response to now harassing the family members of survivors and victims. I just hope this community can protect each other and find some way to organize around this, it’s the only way they can begin to heal.
Why does the guy at 7:00 not say anything about domestic abusers, animal abusers, and the like not having the right to own a gun, just like any other felon can't? It would be a great way to get rid of the domestic abuser pigs.
Love the interviewers in this series!! Don’t know how the mainstream media is so widely watched and this is “underground” media or not posted on television.
@@MarkyMark2177 So let's just give *everybody* an assault weapon, and see what happens! Is that your logic? Teachers are there to teach, not to shoot people. Kids are there to learn basic life skills, not how to avoid snipers. Owning a gun was most likely a very good idea back when the Constitution was drafted, but this isn't the 18th century anymore. Move with the times!
Guns save MORE children, and like Mark already said STOPPED THE SHOOTING HERE. Use your brain instead repeating catch phrases because you care that little about children's lives...
The idea of having guns locked up in a safe and unloaded how likely would be able to get the firearm out, load it, and still take down the perpetrator in a stressful situation, and the whole idea of carry is weird why do you want to live where you only feel safe with a firearm on your side.
I don't know why we don't just give CCW's to educators that request one. They're already equipped mentally to protect their classroom of children, and they will always be the "first responder" in a situation like this. Not to mention it could really deter someone with ill intentions to know there's armed educators and you don't know which one does(n't) carry.
Because all the security measures like metal detectors and trained school police officers will be for nothing. A gun on a teacher if a would be school shooter knows it’s there is just making their task of getting a gun that much easier. See these killers are insiders and are already suicidal, this just gives them a gun already there. Now add to that the 50 percent loss of dexterity that an adrenaline rush gives you and how can you be sure you’ll hit the gunner and not a non combatant student? Then let’s consider that most teachers do not want to be lugging “ big iron” around with them, or consider the teacher who will not carry it cause it’s too heavy but leave it in their bag or desk? There are too many what ifs, too many unforeseeable variables to cover in just 8 to 12 hours of training class. Most teachers will agree they do not want to carry guns. Those that do are playing with fire
@@matthewcaughey8898 Thanks for the thoughtful response. As a quick note, I'm not saying it's mandatory to carry if you're an educator. I've never been to a school with a metal detector or a school police officer that actually did "police work" besides escorting misbehaving students. On the flipside, every school I've been to has had at least 2 teachers who were military/police at some point. You know they'd be the first to sign up for an in school CCW with every intention of protecting their students. However, I do see where you're coming from about certain troubled students seeing it as an opportunity. I think of those educators who choose to carry like Air Marshals, they would make it difficult to know they even have the thing, and good luck snagging it from their waistband. If anything it'd allow the school to know who the troubled students are before they actually do something terrible. Either way, I'd love to see what happens if a school does adopt my way of thinking.
@@MrParamethius where I worked as a school resource officer the metal detector was standard and in for morning arrival and was used for special events like musicals.
Heartbreaking. “The right to bare arms.” It’s the American way. But not everyone is mentally stable to have, own, carry and shoot a gun. It’s not a right. Prove you are capable. Make it harder. Not a right.
They’re justification is always “if someone wants to do damage they’ll find a way” but can never elaborate. I want to know what kind of weapon they think any regular joe can use to kill 50 people in less than 20 minutes? What other weapon can you buy in mere minutes that’ll be able to do this much damage? They never want to admit that even though people get dui’s and hit people however the amount of people hurt in those accidents is never near the number as when someone walks into a grocery store, church or elementary school with this kind of weapon. Hell someone could probably drive and entire sports car into a building and literally injure less people because at the very f---- least you can see the car coming.
I'm from Germany where we have decent gun laws - I do understand the argument that some Americans make, that an armed populace is harder to oppress. Maybe that's true in exceptional historical instances, like some coup or a revolution, but in reality, countries with strict gun laws are usually not any more oppressive or tyrannical than the American government. You may bring up the fact that a certain group of people got into power in Germany in the 30s and that they maybe could've been stopped by armed citizens, but I really don't think so - those people had genuine popular support, that is the only reason they were able to seize power. A government can never last long without the consent of the people, it doesn't matter how many guns the people have. There are always ways to resist peacefully. Propaganda is far more dangerous than taking away people's guns.
does vice have a podcast format where there are English dubbed voices? this lady is my favorite journalist, and i wish i knew more context during the conversation
"La policía de Uvalde no nos falló a nosotros los adultos. Les falló a nuestros hijos, al futuro de esta comunidad." 12:10
Malditos cobardes y toda su decendencia .
He's quite composed, thoughtful & eloquent, esp. considering he lost his boy in a senseless way.
The fact that some of the parents of the victims had to go back to work after their child was murdered is so wrong. Their employers should've provided emergency PAID family leave. I hope the grieving parents that had to go back to work after loosing their child expose their heartless employers.
Kendo America will never have that. Corporations hate all of us and have convinced many people that something of that sort would be a “free handout” and that these people should pull themselves up by the boot straps and get back to work.
@@KendoOCE We do in CA - I thought it was federal but Texas has much more strict laws about employee rights. Heartbreaking. I’d never support those businesses again.
Remember that many of these families are farm workers, and immigrants. The way this country treats migrant workers, and it’s disdain for immigrants means they become an easily exploitable population bc no one is holding these big agro businesses accountable. This country proves time and time again how little it cares for its citizens and how expendable we all are, even the children.
They were given 40,000 dllrs to each family that lost their kid
@@RicardoMartinez-hi2to I gaurentee that each family that lost their child would much rather have their child than 40,000$ and of not they don't deserve to have kids or a family
The Police officers who stood outside that classroom door when the public needed you most, TURN IN YOUR BADGES COWARDS!!!!
No pension.
Disgusting, standing there knowing that there are children in there getting slaughtered. I mean it must have been really scary and maybe they werent trained well for this type of situation but still...
@@ProtTheKPAXian They recently all had active shooter training. There is a picture out there now that shows Pete and others with high powered guns etc .in the hallway. They decided to not go in and engage.
@@kessiawright1710 Baffling... they definetely chose the wrong profession if they arent willing or able to protect the public
Remember cops are always getting hated on and dealing with KArens, why go the extra step when your just getting paid hourly
Vice doing that interview in Spanish was so much better than hearing it through a translator
The Pokemon cards part made me tear up 😭
So true
@Illuminator Does that change what I said in any meaningful way?
@Illuminator the huge difference isn’t so huge then but thanks
Felt more authentic, more real. Like listening to a bloke on a bench
The fact that the police keep making excuses to why the tragedy happened 😵💫
America deserves for what they done to the world
If there are ever people who deserve to be killed, it’s those who chose not to act when they were the sole lifeline. I don’t promote violence, but after I die, I’m going to drag every one of those goddamn cowardly cops to hell if they aren’t there already, and I’ll be the one to torture them for eternity. That’s what cowardice gets.
And now they’re hiding most if not all the information parents and the town need. In my opinion the employer’s need to be sensitive to what’s happened here and provide them some paid time off…
Especially governor brags about beinf "texas tough" and doing state sanction killings to murderers, and bragging and daring violent offendors to try to do stupid things in their great state of texas.
Yet.the cops arrested actual texas citizens who are texas tough n running towards the school wanting to.gun down the shooter
If they want to do something about crime why not do things that actually reduce because a gun and being tough on crime ain't it also it the same with border security
The entire Uvalde police needs to serve time in prison. If a truck driver can be sentenced to prison for failing to use the runaway truck ramp, then the same should happen to the police for refusing to do their job. They took at oath, cashed the paychecks then refused to fulfill their obligation.
Lock them up!
the police are not legally bound to protect anyone! sad but true
@wallbanger they had 19 of them with vests helmets shot guns and I’m sure some with fully automatic m4’s if not ar15’s versus one ar15. Not outgunned they couldn’t blast through the steel door and concrete frame.
@wallbanger Uvalde police get 40% of the city budget, over 4 million dollars a year, to pay for gear and guns...they have no excuse.
@@jcrew6657 "To sometimes protect and kind of serve but not really"
@wallbanger with 40% of the cities budget how where they unequipped?
Are they just bad with money?
Heartbreaking situation all around.
The Uvalde PD refusing to release evidence is beyond evil.
Because they thought the shooter was a border jumper.
They let him kill all those kids because they wanted the conversation to be about regulating the border, instead of guns.
They have definitely "misfired" and killed one of the children.
@@firstname7792 is there any evidence or even a conspiracy or this? I don’t doubt it, just curious. Although I’m kind of doubtful those cowards even had the courage to fire a shot.
Remember this name: Pete Arredondo. It's the synonym of cowardice. A synonym of failure
@@StraightFelon People are thinking this is a possibility since the police department i believe put out a tweet stating that no child was shot by an officer. Up to that point it really didn't cross peoples mind. Them doing so made a lot of people suspect that they actually did shot one of the students and now with them not cooperating with investigations make the situation seem a lot more probable. But only time will tell.
The journalist did a fantastic job asking the right questions, it's so important to give a voice to the people who experience this tragedy, the country needs to hear their thoughts, feel their pain and demand change.
They asked the same ignorant questions they ask every gun owner.
"But the shooter used an AR-15 to shoot people that makes it evil right?"
Gun owner, "WTF are you talking about you fu*king looney toon Liberal?"
She is the daughter of Jorge Ramos, Univision anchor
This journalist brought racial discrimination into it. The shooter was Hispanic himself and the victims were of multiple ethnicities. The fault lies with the police department and their lack of training and ability to properly perform their job. Don’t get the point confused here.
#BackTheBlue 🏈Arm Chair Quarterbacks? 🚙Back Seat Drivers? 🎮Play Station Warriors? 🕹 😳THE AUDACITY! 🤯THE DISRESPECT! 😨THE BLATANT RACISM! 😱THE IGNORANCE! God bless these 👮🏽BRAVE, HEROIC LATINO PEACE OFFICERS👮🏼 who followed 📚OFFICIAL PROTOCOL 📖 which says, “Do not . . . *RUSH IN RECKLESSLY* . . . or . . . . . . *PHYSICALLY ENGAGE* . . . because you might . . . *EXACERBATE* . . . the situation.” In other words, 🔥do not bust into a classroom full of kids, like a *RAMBO WANNABE*, because you could cause even more damage! 🔥Ignore the Haters who know absolutely NOTHING about SWAT TEAM TACTICAL PROCEDURES!
@@RicardoMartinez-hi2to no way! I didn’t know that.
I was a fireman in Chicago. Twenty minutes into my first day I was on a run. We averaged three fires a day then. I know fear first hand. I also knew my fellow fireman were there for me. We took risks often. We understood the risks, but we took them. It goes with the job. Being a fireman taught me everything I needed to know about myself and the greater good. It's okay to be scared, but the job must be done. I would have gone into Robb Elementary with an axe. I'm not just saying this. I learned it on the job.
Sure you would have gone in with an axe.... the killer's dead now! The massacre is over!! You know what the right call was now. So it's easy to draw your own narratives and scenarios. No disrespect to firemen but you guys are who you are. Not cops, respectfully you weren't there! Anymore than a police office wasn't there when you were fighting fires or rescuing people. If there's one thing a fireman does know about its safety!!! And I'm sorry bro but you can't tell me 19 officer's busting into a small classroom, emptying thousands of rounds aimed at only the gunman is a safe situation. Anyone can play the terrible incident in their head, and draw conclusions from the comfort of their keyboard but at that time there were too many mistakes, from lawmakers, to teachers leaving doors unsecured to cops not responding.It was a big mess.
@@gordsruby5963 You seem to question my courage. You also imply I make easy decisions after the fact. Fair enough. You are entitled to your opinion. I submit to you that 19 cops have a better chance of saving lives in their Uvalde situation by killing the gunman than we ever had when surrounded by smoke and unstable surroundings. In either case, cops or fireman, we are expected to perform with courage. Further, cops not entering a classroom is a far less safe situation for the innocent children inside. As for my narratives at my comfortable keyboard, I would gladly exchange places with any one of those murder kids right now. But I cannot prove that to you. I am a fireman. I know me. You do not. I know what I would have done.
Chicago Fire Department...Truck Company 47 and proud of it!
@@jimtrack3786 Yes....you probably would trade places with those kids very, very Nobel of you, also very stupid sir!! Then, that means you are a selfish person. Leaving your own family to grieve your death for someone you don't even know! It's not your call to give your life. Not to mention giving your life is a sin. I think it's all macho bullshit. Now you're in a fire, sure I get it! It's your job, it's what you signed up for, but as I said.... officer's emptying thousands of rounds into a classroom full of children is not the idea of a shooting range. As for the keyboard part, it's the truth, just look around at all the comments, nothing but hero, bad ass Rambo tough guys.
Thank you for your service but the reality is law enforcement are trained to generate revenue for the government at the expense of private citizens 🤷🏽♀️ they do not know how to fight bad guys unless It’s unarmed law abiding private citizens trying to get to and from work🤷🏽♀️
@@gemmalfirefly4287 Sounds like someone's bitter. Has possibly had a run ins with law enforcement in the past. Yeah this all seems very personal.
Those poor teachers that died knowing the fate that those kids had is unimaginable .
I agree…what torture to die knowing you couldn’t protect these babies.
@@Camibug nothing could've protected those babies from such a weapon .
Everything happened so quickly .
I just got to the part about the father searching for his son and it’s so heartbreaking. He had to be identified through DNA because he was destroyed by a assault weapon meant for war and hunting. Instead used on someone’s baby boy. How can people really sit here and justify owning/ needing/ wanting such a weapon when you can literally see the damage right in front of you, while communities are in shambles but “it’s fun to own” should take precedence of LITERAL HUMAN LIFE.
The AR 15 isn't even considered as an assualt weapon. The reason why people purchase and own AR 15s is because it's an excellent weapon for self defence. Literally every anti gun person doesn't know anything about guns.
They need to stay by politicos offices with photos of those poor kids with golf ball sized holes in their bodies. Make it as uncomfortable as possible.
Ar-15 is not a military grade weapon designed for war.
Those types of guns aren't used for hunting for the exact reason that they turn a target into mulch
Cigarettes, DUIs.... Don't hear nothing about that you F A You know the rest
I have been taking a break from following this but honestly every time I hear about this I cry or just become so deeply sad about this. This whole situation just turns my stomach.
Same here 😔
Yep, me too. Took a break for about a week. One minute into a story about a Robb Elementary teacher talking about each student…shoulder shaking cry. They are tears of sadness…and anger.
Same I went into a very deep depression when all of this happened
I take a break and feel guilty because the parents cannot do the same, their entire lives are now forever impacted. I can turn off the tv and forget momentarily but many cannot. This privilege is something we all have to acknowledge so we do not normalize another massacre. Something has to change.
@@isabelchaparro2608 Absolutely! I hope laws are changed and I feel that this could have been prevented in many ways. This needs to stop and changes need to be made.
I feel extremely bad for these parents. I could never imagine losing a child to gunfire in their own school. May god give them the strength and courage to heal swiftly. Prayers to all the victim’s families and friends.
Let us also not forget how your god who hasn’t been demonstrated to exist watched the gunman kill all of those kids and the 2 teachers. When are we going to stop believing in Iron Age gods who haven’t been demonstrated to exist smh. I know you mean well but sending prayers literally does nothing to help. It helps you feel good but it does nothing for the grieving parents in reality
Instead of prayers, help vote for a better gun laws please. Not ban the guns, but more requirment to get a gun.
It can happen to you too you’re just as vulnerable. It should scare all of us
Prayers will do nothing nöw. Action is needed. Greg needs to go. He needs to step down he is not capable of governance.
These children deserve a future.
@@Ru4444 exactly.
So sad. This community deserves better. You can tell the people being interviewed love their kids and care about their town.
How ?
It will happen again in a few years.
This only seems to happen in the america
@@rosk.wilburn5847 all this comes from the old world that had to civilize it's self after so much carnage and civil unrest ..
@@rosk.wilburn5847 It isn't tho
"That's just his right"
Man has a daughter and confidently saying that
he'll still probably be saying it if his daughter's school gets shot up lol
@@ZoomerIncel yeah but its a non-answer
Then compares it to cars... ignoring that for a car you need to register it and pay registration fees every year and have insurance
@@OmnipotentO Unfortunately it is and was his right, but the gun didn't cause him to commit this act. He brought up a point that a car could be used to do the same thing, and so can a bomb made from fertilizer.
I don't really agree with the "Obama Sucks" sticker but to be frank I'm a progressive individual with a pragmatic approach to gun control... so I am perfectly aware of the fact that if it isn't a gun being used, it'll be something else.
Guns already require a federal background check to purchase (yes, even in Texas), felons are unable to purchase firearms legally because of this already.
So instead of addressing guns as the issue (which in all honesty the availability of a high capacity rifle capable of killing hasn't been a new idea since WW2 and was even more easily available up until the 1980s) we should address why the 18 year old committed the act in the first place.
I gurantee that a 16 year old with a car driving down a crowded festival street will cause at least as many casualties as a mass shooting, and in some prior circumstances, has even caused more.
I think that if you can be drafted into the military at 18, to fight and kill and die in a war that some politician wages, you should be able to drink and be able to smoke. Frankly, you're allowed to use a rifle and kill in the military everytime you are deployed, and I think it's kinda fucked up you're allowed to die to an enemy combatant, mine, bomb, etc. before you can drink or smoke.
@@V3RTIGO222 there's laws against murder yet murder still happens. Those murderers will always find a way if they really want to. Guess there's nothing we can do and laws are pointless then huh.
Nobody's saying stricter gun laws will magically stop all gun violence dead in its tracks. It obviously won't but if it's stops SOME gun violence that'll be an improvement from what we have now
Every cop in the hallway needs to be fired. You get paid to serve and protect.. You didn't do either one.. Hire real men who will do what the job asks for. Uvalde deserves better police officers
No... remember they are all cowards? why would you hire real men to do a job if they are cowards? you people don't make any sense!!
Politicians have armed security guards at their kids school so things like this would never happen to them. And the taxpayers pay for it.
False.
Marjorie Stoneman Douglas did too. It didn't help.
Buffalo had a ex cop and Veteran. It didn't help.
GUNS are the problem STFU with your talking point
Hope the security guards have more heart than the police
This whole situation is beyond upsetting it just hits you right through the heart. I wish the families of Uvalde the best health and fortune going forward.
I stand in agreement with these wishes ☝️
Why the husband of the dead teacher, who died of a heart attack ( LITERALLY
a broken heart) isn’t included in the count, I don’t understand!
He is counted though. People are telling his story. That means something at least.
His a coward leaving his kids behind because he couldn't hold it. This is when he was suppose to be the strongest for his family.
@@arturoreyes5220 what are you saying? That the husband chose to have a heart attack like how the Uvalde police chose to save the children?
"this is my sports car" ....
and the look on her face ?
damn man ..
I hope the family, friends, and community gets the justice they deserves. This tragedy should not have been allowed and so familiar to many others.
Every texan should be on the streets.
Beto o rourke has the balls to stånd up.
Action is needed now.
We are not surrendering our rights. 🖕🏻
@@rosk.wilburn5847 Beto lmao
Rojelio’s dad is a perfect example of the culture of southwest Texas. They continue to work, no matter what. That’s a Mexicano right there.
I feel terrible for him. He thought having Rojelio in school here would provide him with the best opportunities. His son didn’t make it past elementary school.
Facts it’s sad
It’s not right. That man deserves to grieve properly and have professional counseling.
@@isabelchaparro2608 I agree. It’s rough. They are such strong people. 😔
Parents all over the world continue to live their lives after losing their children not just mexicans. 🤦🤦🤦
Thank you Paola for reporting and caring for our city Uvalde Texas:
As a fellow Texan who lives nearby Uvalde my heart breaks anew everyday for our babies and their families. I wish grown men would stop putting their own petty fears over reality and the lives of the innocent and agree on reasonable laws that save American lives. Instead they cling to the idea they'll need their personal firearms to slaughter Americans one glorious day when their fellow citizens under the orders of our own government come to kill everyone. I mean the sheer bloodlust and excitement to someday have the guns to slaughter other Americans is sick and twisted. Our State Militia aka National Guard Units are trained, armed and ready and the FF guaranteed us that the feds can never disarm our State National Guard units for that very purpose so they could represent their fellow citizens and fight the federal forces. This sick and twisted interpretation of the 2nd amendment is leading more people to die in our streets in times of peace than ever died for the country in war. It's ridiculous. Take away the freedom of our children, lock them into prisons everyday so grown men with aspirations to one day mass slaughter other Americans in glorious civil war can keep their fear based "tools". Then they fail to see its them giving up everyone's liberty to have a normal life from fear all while slinging that old quote and twisting it to make it apply to them. Brainwashed, Misguided idiots allowing the slaughter of the innocent.
The NRA and gun industry make sure , with their paid political henchman , all Texas republicans in the legislative branch and the governor only protect the Gun's right to exist , but no laws
to protect innocent children's right to exist safely from the slaughter of this particular weapon of choice for all past mass murderers .
All most 600 children have lost their lives to gun violence since Abbott became governor in 2015 and counting .. over 60 plus this year under 11, 3 of the top extreme mass shootings have occurred in Texas during Abbott's reign .. and they still don't get it .
At the hearings no one mentions the preferred weapon for mass shooters . Why !?
Gun rights before children won't allow it !!
Your national guard is Federalized... Meaning they take orders from the government, don't believe me?
Why did national guard units serve in Iraq??
EXACTLY 💔😢
It's mental, they can have the 2A and still have guns for self-defense!
The right to bear arms != The right have own weapons of war.
But Americans will never change.
Of course their response is that it is every ones responsibility to protect themselves. Everyone should own an AR15. Who wants to live in their world?
In the past two years, Uvalde held two training sessions about active shooters. One of them was two months before the shooting.
The documents given to police outline specific scenarios on how police should respond.
The documents make it very clear: the most import priority in active shooter scenarios is to engage the killer as soon as humanly possible because of the high casualty rates in short time frames.
The training documents outline that stopping the killer is the absolute priority and that walking past the cries of the injured may be necessary. It's essential to engage the shooter ASAP.
Due to the urgency to engage the shooter, it's often not feesible to have a full team of officers ready to respond. Many scenarios practiced by the police outlined one or two officers responding alone. One scenario detailed a two officer team where one officer is shot during the entrance, and the other office is expected to continue alone.
It's harsh to say the officers "should" have died, but that's what's outlined in their training document:
"A first responder unwilling to place the lives of the innocent above their own safety should consider another career field."
Around 11:00AM on the day of the shooting, the gunman shot his grandmother in the head. She called 911 (1st call to police). The gunman then took his grandmother's car to go to the school.
At 11:28AM, the shooter crashes the car in a ditch near the school. Two people witnessed the crash and attempted to help the gunman, but he released fired on them. The witnesses escaped and called the police (2nd call to the police).
A few minutes later, a teacher notices the crash and notes that he has a gun and calls 911 (third call to police).
The shooter walks through the parking lot, while firing his AR-15, and enters the school at 11:33AM. Police have already arrived at a funeral home adjacent to the school.
At 11:35AM, 3 police officers rush the same lock-failed door which the gunman used to enter the school. Upon entering, they received grazing wounds from the shooter and retreat to get more "tactical teams, equipment, specialty equipment, body armor, precision rifleman, and negotiators."
Four police enter in response, but retreat to cover after hearing gunshots. The shooter continues firing in two connected, locked classrooms. Police are still arriving at the scene and no action has been taken by 11:51AM. At this point, about 20 rounds have been heard by police.
At 12:15PM, the border patrol tactical unit arrived with shields.
For the next hour, the police department would receive 6 additional calls from 3 children.
> "I can hear the police in the next room."
> "Please send the police."
At 12:50AM, an hour and 17 minutes after the shooter entered the school, a border patrol tactical office opened the door with a janitorial key and shot the gunman.
The response couldn't have been more contradictory to the training. They did everything wrong.
The police did everything the document specifically warned about the dangers of doing. It's fucking insane.
The LITERAL only reason every child in the class room isn't dead is because the shooter was taking his sweet time.
And the police aren't cooperating with investigation because they know they are fucked.
The Uvalde police department essentially listened to 21 children and teachers get murdered until actual help decided to show up, and the border patrol unit still took 40 minutes to respond.
I don't understand.
The police were going on this stupid “ bring ‘em in alive” mentality I think. See for some reason cops try to bring these people in breathing so they can be put on trial. See in Pittsburgh a few years ago we lost 3 cops to a barricaded criminal. They negotiated him out and arrested him when they should have just said “ come out unarmed and surrender or we’ll bulldoze the house on top of you. Well I agree in this situation the police officers there should have rushed the killer and ended him quickly. Ironically a similar incident occurred at Virginia tech. The police just surrounded the building where a gunman was barricaded in and they did nothing while he killed people. School shooters should get dropped as soon as they can be dropped. In most cases they’re suicidal anyways
Inhuman
@@matthewcaughey8898 right, not like there's any question to their guilt, everyone is watching them shoot people and this guy did a live stream too if i remember right?
like there was 0 doubt on guilt here. they have no issue shooting black people for 'looking like they reached for a gun' so why not shoot a gunman actively killing people?
WELL.....SAME WITH PORT ARTHUR MASSACRE IN TAS-AUSTRALIA. POLICE TOOK 4-6 HOURS TO SHOW UP. THERE IS A PATTERN. IT IS ALL LEADING TO THE SAME OUTCOME. I HAVEN't GOT TIME TO GO BACK NTO DETAIL. IT INVOLVES GOING DOWN A VERY DEEP DARK RABBIT HOLE THAT GOES BEYOND HE SHALLOW RPETITIVE MEDIA NARRATIVE OF THE LONE MENTALLY UNSTABLE NUTTER. DO YOUR RESEARCH. DAVID ICKE.......
@@matthewcaughey8898 no they were cowards. They just put out the hr long video. You can tell these cops are wanna bes and werent ready to put their lives on the line WHEN IT MATTERED MOST! I tell you right now I would have 100% put my life at risk to save them and at the very least I know I could draw attention from the shooter so maybe my other officers can get a shot and if I die in that process then so be it!
As a father myself, no parent should ever have to bury their child. Thoughts and prayers to those who lost someone
blessed be thou AR 15 and may its bullets rip apart thine enemies, Amen
Instead of thoughts and prayers, help vote for better gun laws.
prayers & thoughts.
@@Ru4444 Thank God those cops waited outside for 77 minutes without even attempting to open the doors! Ban the AR-15 now!1!1
@@Gabe-e3w R u suggesting to ban police? I dont understand ur point... isnt the police the "Good guy with a gun"?
I’m a town away an it was crazy seeing the cops an ambulances driving through my city rushing to go an do nothing…. Jeez 🤦🏻
They had matching uniforms, clean and pressed. Shoes...black and shiny ✨️. So they got one small thing right that day. Got to look good for the soulless lemming jump.
Hearing this father speak… 😭 heartbreaking… 💔💔
We cannot let this be forgotten with no change just like every ither shooting.
The police department should be investigated and body cam footage released, period.
We need the body cam footage
And apparently the doors to the classrooms were UNLOCKED THE ENTIRE TIME and those cowards never tried to open the doors to take out the gunman! What the fvck?! Disgusting and disgraceful. They must face public pressure to release everything.
Police are not accountable so long as they are "following policy" and say what the lawyers tell them to say. Sadly I've had to teach my children that police are not their friend and should be avoided at all cost. Thank God my kids are white.
It's america so of course nothing will change
What’s gonna be on the body cam footage? Them sitting in the parking lot?
I feel horrible for those parents. No one deserves this hell
I just want to commend Paola Ramos for showing empathy respect and being cautious but direct in the questions asked. She made a true effort in allowing the interviews a platform to speak their thoughts with out trying to squeeze out a desired responses.
I hope the community can find strength and resilience with each other to move forward.
You can’t rent a car until 25 in most places. Why not raise the age of buying guns to that? Anyone who thinks that too old is probably a part of the problem.
Edit: the family who had all the guns are a perfect example how the vast majority of the nation understands the balance. You should be able to acquire any weapon but make classifications of how intense the checks are. Like I may want a Browning M1919 but should I be able to buy one just because…No
@Marshawn Briggs Briggs! We family bruh I'm a Briggs too. But you could still have a gun at 18-24 just not one you bought on your own. You'd need a cosigner.
No one has committed a mass shooting with a heavy machine gun in the US. Poor argument. You couldn't even conceal the browning or carry it.
@@cosseybomb you could pull a trunk assault like those two guys did with the sniper and the peep hole. Basically where there is a will there is a way kinda argument.
Thank you for keeping this story in the news and for acknowledging the history of the town. How the assembled families outside of Robb were treated on that day still plays in my head. The class system in Uvalde is strong.
This story is just so , so sad. No parent or person should go through this. Our hearts and prayers are with the families. BT
(Yea.)
You know, if there are prayers but you don't have the heart to change things...those prayers are worthless to not just to people but also to God.
God wants sincerity to carry out godly actions. And this is stated in various verses like James 2:14-17 "What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead."
@@EmeraldMara85 you do realize that people cam pray and do thing to change the situation right? It's not like you can't do anything once you pray use your brain bro.
Thank you for your professional journalism and for always showing us the other side. My heart continues to go out to this community, all the children, survivors, everyone affected!! #enoughisenough #bettergunlaws #gunreform
A fat police reform needs to happen and the coc (chain of command) needs to be taken accountable.
But they're keeping all information hidden from public.
The parents can sue easily with the evidence if they release that info.
They can sue and probably have their cases thrown out
It's hard to say. SCOTUS ruled they police have no duty to protect.
its all joe bidens fault tho
@@SAFbikes because usa is corrupt AF
And the media isn't even talking about it anymore like it never happened. And this keeps happening again and again. Why does the saying go "history repeats itself"? It's because people refuse to learn from their mistakes.
Rojelios father really really really touched my heart ❤️ so many beautiful souls beautiful babies
The guy talking Spanish towards the end , just hit home hard his kid is literally like my son! My heart hurts so much for these parents! Can’t imagine 😢
6:57 This is an argument that many pro 2A people make, if you ever have this conversation with someone and they bring this point up, ask them if they ride their gun to the grocery store to feed themselves and their family, do they ride their gun to pick up life saving medicines, is their employment or employment opportunities directly tied to their ability to ride their gun many miles since public transportation infrastructure is so awful in most of the major cities and almost all of the more rural communites.
It seems as though American exceptionalism has eroded in the minds of many that their is a distinct difference between rights and privilege's. Owning a gun may be considered a right in America, but to allow it to supersede the right of a human being to exist is mind boggling from a non-American perspective.
That said this interview and entire segment was seemingly handled well and respectfully, kudo's to the journalist for that.
The facet that Federico’s story hasn’t been shared on mainstream media me da asco. He is a human being who SON WAS KILLED. This is such bullshit. I haven’t seen any sort of coverage and it boils my blood.
Thank you Vice for giving this family a voice.
6:53 Majority of mass killers don’t choose cars, knife, poison, or any other weapons to commit a public mass murder. They’ve always go for the ones that can make deadly impacts in a short amount of time and the only weapon that is capable of doing it successfully is firearms. Guns are now the #1 leading cause of death in the U.S., exceeding the number of deaths from motorized vehicle, so that statement of his and many others’ are invalid.
Bath School disaster
I'm glad Vice is covering this the hard facts of this heartbreaking tragedy NEED to be EXPOSED!
I went to visit the Memorial on Saturday. It was awful. As I was driving into Uvalde and passing the elementary school I was listening to the news story about Senator John Cornyn getting booed at a recent GOP convention for being involved in the gun reform effort.
So you don’t want legal citizens to have guns is what your saying.
Because the government AND criminals WIlL have guns. Don’t be a dumbass
Well... gun reform isn’t gonna stop crazy people wanting to kill or make cops make good decisions. I’d boo too
4k laws on books, tell us what magical ones will stop man from being evil. We will wait.
@@Censortubes they didn’t say laws would stop people from being evil jfc. Did you even read the comment?
@@MelGibsonFan what do windows taste like? Do you know what the gun reform effort is muppet?
"This is like my sports car". You know, as much as that sounds cringe, it's probably the most honest admission I've heard from a gun owner.
@ZEEK tell us the ccp pays you to post without saying it.
@ZEEK lets prove it eh? Say , my dear leader xi looks like winny the pooh. When you dont ccp shill we know why.
@ZEEK why is that quote untrue just because criminals use it? I mean I guess it doesn’t make sense considering if it’s legal there is no consequence to be “caught with it”. I can’t own guns, but I would feel safer having one. Considering I’m not a psycho or idiot I don’t feel there’s a risk having one in the house. When I lived in the ghetto I felt like absolute prey not owning a gun.
When the dad said he can’t stop working because he has other kids he needs to bring money to that hurt my soul this father should be able to mourn his son in peace. Is there a go fund me for him ?
...no, but there is a GoFraudMe account for him.
@@uvaldesch.shootingwasanact2002
If you’re not here to help then gtfo ty
@@kimf.8518 Why should I help fund pffhhucking DHS active shooter drill propaganda???????????
Goddamn,.....a box of unwashed gravel has more intelligence than you. Nobody died in Uvlade like nobody died in Newtown, you ignorant sheep.
I'm so sorry little babies🙏💔
I'm feeling a movement forming in Uvalde similar to the Sewol parents. What may appear to be despair and unending pain can also be channeled into an eternal flame of will, sacrifice and societal change.
"Thoughts and prayers" is what cowards say who talk loud but then don't do anything to effect change.
Thoughts and prayers are bs
Removing self defense rights because daddy tells you to. Proves you don't think for yourself at all.
@@Censortubes He said “self defense rights” hahahahahahahahaha
@@JoseCampos-dj1kl hey look another brand new ccp account.
It's so sad how bad the United States is getting with massacres
Depopulation 😉
Almost like letting tons of immigrants and others run wild isn't a good idea eh?
@@stereomachine lmao I’m a conspiracy theorist but the “depopulation” comment is so dumb. How many people die of mass shootings in a year? Gotta be less than a thousand. Not making much of a dent in the population lmao
I thought it was disgusting when he agrees “sure, sure, sure” while she explains“we know from testimony that that was literally able to destroy the kids.” 🤯🤦🏻♀️
Then he goes on to say “it’s fun for us” The maniacal child murderer agrees with you so congratulations. You cannot reason with these types of people.
That was edited. Two separate conversations.
Dude that was insane. Like what on earth…
Why haven’t the officers been held accountable for their cowardice
You can’t spell police without the letter “P”.
They will surely be held accountable. These folks in this town will never forget. I see the parents pain. I could never not do anything to avenge my child’s death. An eye for an eye.
@Tiny Princess It’s to stop criminals from causing harm. And they didn’t do that
American fail to understand/acknowledge that a car is designed to get a person from point A to B, a gun is designed to kill. Their rationale that it's a sport is irrelevant to the argument. A knife is not a weapon of death, a car is not a weapon of death, a gun is a weapon of death. What's the purpose of an individual owning so many gun? Why?! Everyone likes bowling, not everyone that bowls owns a bowling ball!!!
A gun is designed to "protect"
A gun is a tool. You fail to realize there's entire nations filled with ruthless cartel violence and the citizens aren't even allowed to own guns in these countries.. look at Mexico and South America.. kids getting shot is extremely terrible but you still have a higher chance of getting hit by a car in reality.
As the father of 3 daughters and 6 grandchildren, my heart hurts for the families of these poor children.
Why do you need over 50 guns tho? And if someone’s breaking into your house why would you go to a gun safe instead of a side arm or something more accessible…
Such a sad real story. My heart and prayers goes out to all the of those school children, parents, their friends, family members, the teachers and community. So many in mourning. My prayers to all.
Paola is an amazing reporter 👏👍🏻
"Thoughts and prayers." Till the next shooting
This is an exceptionally well presented video. Thanks for such a great presentation! RIP to all the wonderful people who lost their lives….
Comparing a sports car to an AR 15....
No matter how many times I hear the parents speak, I start crying. As a mother, their pain, their love, their hearts, their babies were taken for what? For a BS idea based on a bad reading of one line in the constitution! And still, Repugs don't want to pass real gun safety measures! When will enough be enough?!
Tell us you enjoy licking every window you pass without saying it.
Typical women basis their entire view on emotion over logic. Look up what’s happened to countries when the guns get taken. Even a first would country like Australia turns completely authoritarian. You’re probably the type of boot licker that likes people getting arrested for Facebook posts though
Change needs to happen now. Why aren't there extensive background checks for all gun pruchasers,no matter if they are over 21 or under 21? There's nothing wrong with making sure a person is capable of making good decisions with firearms! Why aren't there mandatory psych evaluations, preferably from 2 or more different psychologists & psychiatrists, in order to obtain approval to own a firearm? We can evaluate a person while driving, but we can't extensively evaluate a person to see if they are even mentally capable of responsibly handling a firearm? So many things wrong with America, and God sees all!
They did do a background check
All you need to do is go back to the 1994 assault weapons ban. Disallow any rifle that can hold more then 10 rounds and require those be turned in. Offer owners of said weapons a reasonable bolt action hunting rifle ( of they claim it’s for hunting) or a perfectly capable 12 gauge pump action shotgun ( if they claim home defense) As to handguns those should be restricted back to a maximum of 10 shots and people should learn HOW TO ACTUALLY AIM. Cause if you cant defend yourself with a 5 shot .38 special S&W J frame then 15 or 17 shots ain’t going to do any better. If you want to be sure you don’t need to shoot twice then carry a .357 or a .44 magnum. I carried a Kahr K40 for several years only had 7 shots total plus 1 reload. Felt perfectly safe carrying it. These days a 10 shot micro compact is all you really need with you. And a good maverick 88 pump art home. If they want my AR-15 and want to offer me fair compensation for it I got no problem with that
you mustve never bought a gun...they do a background check and of your not a felon a few other things that don't allow you own one, you can buy one. some states have a waiting period others don't. criminals don't follow the law therefore making them harsher only effect the good law abiding citizens and its wrong
@@themanwithnonamecalledwyat7575 keyword "extensive" background checks. I meant a more extensive background check, and mandatory psych evaluations- which shouldn't be an issue for anyone if there's nothing to hide, ya know...
@@matthewcaughey8898 agreed- though plus mandatory psych evaluations & approvals. Doesn't mean they will catch every person who buys a gun then later uses it for illegal & criminal purposes, but they will catch some people who applied for a gun for the wrong reasons.
Why would you be against making it harder to get a gun?! Making it harder to obtain a weapon will not effect those who have no reason to be declined for one in the first place. If an individual finds it hard to legally obtain a deadly weapon like a firearm its probably because they are not deemed fit to have one, simple!
Because guns are the only thing that keep our government from herding us into cages. You're literally watching the police do nothing while asking why we should have the tools to protect ourselves.
Because criminals dont care about laws Muppet.....
I feel like 21 is still too young to be able to purchase a gun. I think 25 would be a more reasonable age. At 21 most people are still trying to figure themselves out.
Thank you for covering our tragedy with respect and sincerity instead of sensationalism.
The thing about "if someone wants to do damage they'll find a way to do it" is that it's a strawman argument. You are using this because of your confirmation bias, because subconsciously you are putting your right to own and carry weapons and the pleasure you have on it above that of the potential beneficial effects this can have for your community, and society of your country at large. You can chose another hobby or take another sport for the sake of your kids and community, right? I'd hope so.
See, no one is saying that legislation to regulate weapons will stop terrorism and that tragedies will stop happening. It's not about that. The call for it comes when tragedy happens, but the idea behind regulations is not as simple as "if we had them, this wouldn't have happened".
The black market will continue existing, terrorism and terrorist attempts will continue happening, and people will always get creative to do whatever evil stuff they have in mind.... as people are very creative doing good things too. It's about this general mentality though.
But it's exactly about making it harder, and doing something other than just crying and sending thoughts and prayers. Because in a country that mass shootings are quickly becoming a weekly if not daily event, it's clear that some action, any action, is better than just sitting around and seeing the massacres happen, the only reaction afterwards being to send thoughts and prayers. No situation changes with only that.
Assault weapons were designed to and have just one utility in hand - to kill living things fast and efficiently. You can use cars, knives, and other stuff to kill people too, sure, but it's just not as efficient, convenient, and inconspicuous as weapons are. More importantly, it's not made for purpose - weapons are. This might not sound like much, but it actually has widespread consequences.
The general problem with US mass shootings and domestic terrorism is multi-faceted. What the US really needs it a broad, reaching and complete cultural revolution to really start solving all of this.
It's not only regulation on weapons, mental health system reform, and rethinking of the entire police response system and training... it's even deeper and more tied to culture. The message that is going in TV news, what is taught in schools, what you see in movies and entertainment, what is glamourized or exploited and sensationalized in media, what people see as tools for resolving conflict as they grow up, what society considers adequate in conflict situations, all the way up to wealth distribution, discrimination laws, what the state does to guarantee the citizenry basic needs and rights.
There are reasons why people with deeply troubled lives reaches the conclusion that picking up weapons and shooting strangers in cold blood is some sort of way out... and it has to be fed through the culture they are in, or else a mass shooting epidemic would be present in every single country. But it isn't. Some countries that are even more liberal about gun ownership don't have it, as well as countries that completely forbids firearms ownership and purchasing with very few exceptions.
Problem is, a complete cultural reform such that is needed to revert what is happening in the US is even less likely than remediation measures such as imposing more scrutiny on who owns a gun. Put very simply, if the US can't even pass gun regulation laws to reduce the likelihood of those things happening, it cannot ever change itself as much as it needs to even start solving the problem.
No one should expect for better gun regulation to solve the problem completely, but the situation the US is currently in is that if you don't take any measures, any at all, to reduce the probability of these shootings happening - they'll just continue happening. In fact, they'll likely keep going up as other factors become worse. Racism, tribalism, political divide, prejudice in all forms, religious radicalism, all forms of extremism... if the outlet you have for people who are deeply troubled by all sorts of problems is mass killings, then when these things gets worse, what you get is more mass killings.
You have to try something no matter if it's not all that much effective, because your culture needs to signify in some better way that things cannot continue as they are. Because thoughts and prayers, telling people to stay strong, sending messages that your community won't stop being itself because of yet another horrible massacre, just isn't working. Gun reform is a start, and only a start. People have to get behind actions, not only being sad and empathizing in some insignificant useless level. Imagine if all that people did with the pandemic was send thoughts and prayers for the family of victims. The world is seeing a drastic reduction in deaths and cases because something was done about it... preventive measures and fast track vaccination system that came at extremely high costs and joint efforts of the doctors, scientists and researchers.
This is what mass shootings in the US should be looked at as. This is why some people call it an epidemic. Because it needs to be seen as something that needs action, real action and real changes to if not be solved, at least be better prevented.
I’m pretty pro gun (despite not being allowed to own one as a felon) but I agree with you. The “people will just find another way” argument is stupid. Imagine if you could buy nuclear bombs at the store and when people tried to ban them after multiple bombings with thousands of victims pro Nuke people says “they’ll just find another way”. The efficiency of the rifle is a great factor. I’m pro gun on the merit of personal protection and protection against tyranny. I am honest enough to concede the fact that I want to own a gun to protect myself and my family, but that more guns = more killings as well.
@@StraightFelon not if the person your trying to kill have guns on them. Be honest if someone wanted to kill as many people as possible would they shot up a military base or a mall?
Point is people with guns deter other people with guns.
ALL POLICE AND PUBLIC OFFICALS THAT COVER ANY OF THIS SHOULD BE CHARGED.
Starting with Abbot
This was such a good piece. It was produced so well. The history, the community efforts, the realities, the present and future outcomes, it was moving in every way. All of it so sad yet it was Uvalde again who was the push to reform just as they were historically. And this is all so sad.
No parent should have to experience this. 💔💔
Another major difference between a rifle and a sports car is that one is constitutionally protected
Their souls are playing in the fields of the after, watching with pride, those who remain honoring them.
Keeping strong can sometimes be hard, but a good way to go about it is to believe if you live the life your lost one wished for, you will see them again one day. So keep strong
Yes that's nice and all but I care too much in the truth. Unfortunately there is no evidence of anything after. Which is why life is so much more important - it's the only one we get. The only one those children had. And by continuing to refuse to get rid of their guns for 'fun' is a slap in the face for the family members left behind.
@@dawnatkinson7704 Dont blame the gun nuts, blame the NRA, they are terrorists.
@@dawnatkinson7704 Ain't the guns fault
The Uvalde massacre has all the earmarks of Mexican-American/Latino racism and discrimination. The non-Border Control cops could not be bothered to risk their lives for a Mexican-American town. They waited for the shooter to run out of bullets or kill himself. Uvalde was inside our borders. We needed TX cops to protect, serve, and save Uvalde as an American town under siege. What we got was deliberate inaction and rejection, dismissing Uvalde as not in their jurisdiction, because in their minds Mexican-American lives don't matter. If that's not the case, then why is it not? All you have to do is ask all 383 cops to write a response as to why they did nothing that day. Why border control cops did their job and no one else did?
She said they protested 6 weeks, this generation protested 1 day and gives up no wonder nothing changes
I went to offer therapy two weeks after this happened for one weekend and it was quite an experience being in that town. I almost felt like an intruder and there were signs everywhere that said Uvalde strong and there were 21 crosses and 21 bouquets on so many businesses and I remember talking to a member of the hospital staff that was at the hospital on the day of the shooting and they said I don’t understand why I am so desensitized to this. They talked about how some of the children came in and we’re completely destroyed physically and they said they couldn’t allow themselves to cry because they had a job to do and even after it was done, they still hadnt cried. The look in this person’s eyes was haunting. As I drove home that weekend I remember thinking, it’s great the community has shown up but some of these people were being reminded of it daily all over the place. It was a weird feeling. At first I felt honored to be there and when I left I felt like I was intruding on a broken community that had so much healing to do.
There are so many signs and things the school "let go"and tried to hide under the rug especially the shooters family. So many signs that the kid was troubled and needed help. No one did anything.
@ZEEK you dont know what artillery is.
Hindsight is 20/20. There’s a ton of weird ass kids, you can’t assume they’re all gonna commit a murder
The problem is so much bigger than guns or the age, it's the cruelty of American culture. That kid was so hurt and isolated he felt like his only recourse was to kill people. Let's talk about the root cause not the symptoms
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I myself who’s a security guard who works at a school seeing this hurts deep down in my heart. The lack of security at school not being at front entrances and exits, to the gunman entering the school by a opened door that was opened by a teacher who forgot to make sure the door was shut closed, to law enforcement not doing their job is wrong. we need change. we need better laws. we need a country with leadership. I’m only a 21 year old young hispanic man from from Texas, but this makes me afraid to bring a child into this world like this. I pray for the family’s. Rezo por todas las familias que perdieron a sus hijos que Dios y la luz estén con ustedes.
Those pig’s are all tough when they face someone who cannot be a treat to them, but when they face real danger, they don’t want to face it. ALL THE COPS INVOLVED IN THIS ARE COWARDS!!!!
19 cowards in the hallway securing the perimeter
Just appalled at the incompetence, cowardice, and corruption of the police department of Uvalde, TX…
🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺 I’m so so so sorry mi gente 🥺🥺🥺
Abbott needs to go
I would think uvalde residents would be out protesting/demanding police chief or police department to be replace but nope. They care more about the status quo than holding the cowards responsible.
Why did the cops stay outside and wait for the body count to go higher?
It is so clear that the Latino people of Texas are being given no consideration from their Republican government!
Latino people are kind, law-abiding people and, by nature, are humble and loving toward their family and people around them.
If we look at the horrible massacre in the Uvalde school, we realize that most of the teachers and students were Latino.
Why is it that the victims of this slaughter are not even being mentioned in the arguments about what happened on the day of the massacre.
All we hear about is why the police chief acted the way he did and why the police acted the way they did.
The victims and the parents of the victims are "invisible" in any discussion of what happened that day!
Oh yes, it is interesting that the police chief is himself Latino and I will bet most of the police were Latino. Why did this happen???
The sherriff police didn't even give a public statement to the people of Uvalde in Spanish, knowing that most understand spanish. There is no consideration of the people.
@@arianaortiz9635 Ariana, I totally agree!
My next question is: why do the Latino people of Texas vote Republican and feel that the Republican party is a good voice for them?
This is a perfect example of why they are wrong!
The Republican Party is the conservative party and speaks for the conservatives of our country.
Aside from the fact that most Latinos are Catholic, Latinos are not conservative in their political beliefs!!!
Another question they should be asking all these people that get guns and lie on the application why aren’t they getting arrested it’s a felony to lie on that application
The NRA protects them.
@@fluxcapacitor1621 lmao
I didn’t know that the NRA is stronger then the law or it the people not prosecuting people that break the law or let get out early
The police have already shown they don’t care from the response to now harassing the family members of survivors and victims. I just hope this community can protect each other and find some way to organize around this, it’s the only way they can begin to heal.
Why does the guy at 7:00 not say anything about domestic abusers, animal abusers, and the like not having the right to own a gun, just like any other felon can't?
It would be a great way to get rid of the domestic abuser pigs.
Love the interviewers in this series!! Don’t know how the mainstream media is so widely watched and this is “underground” media or not posted on television.
As long as "the right to bear arms" will be valued above any child's life, this nameless horror will continue. It's as simple as that.
Bearing arms would’ve saved those kids’ lives instead of only allowing the criminal a weapon
gun free zones KILL.
@@MarkyMark2177 So let's just give *everybody* an assault weapon, and see what happens! Is that your logic? Teachers are there to teach, not to shoot people. Kids are there to learn basic life skills, not how to avoid snipers. Owning a gun was most likely a very good idea back when the Constitution was drafted, but this isn't the 18th century anymore. Move with the times!
Guns save MORE children, and like Mark already said STOPPED THE SHOOTING HERE. Use your brain instead repeating catch phrases because you care that little about children's lives...
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The idea of having guns locked up in a safe and unloaded how likely would be able to get the firearm out, load it, and still take down the perpetrator in a stressful situation, and the whole idea of carry is weird why do you want to live where you only feel safe with a firearm on your side.
I don't know why we don't just give CCW's to educators that request one. They're already equipped mentally to protect their classroom of children, and they will always be the "first responder" in a situation like this. Not to mention it could really deter someone with ill intentions to know there's armed educators and you don't know which one does(n't) carry.
Because all the security measures like metal detectors and trained school police officers will be for nothing. A gun on a teacher if a would be school shooter knows it’s there is just making their task of getting a gun that much easier. See these killers are insiders and are already suicidal, this just gives them a gun already there. Now add to that the 50 percent loss of dexterity that an adrenaline rush gives you and how can you be sure you’ll hit the gunner and not a non combatant student? Then let’s consider that most teachers do not want to be lugging “ big iron” around with them, or consider the teacher who will not carry it cause it’s too heavy but leave it in their bag or desk? There are too many what ifs, too many unforeseeable variables to cover in just 8 to 12 hours of training class. Most teachers will agree they do not want to carry guns. Those that do are playing with fire
@@matthewcaughey8898 Thanks for the thoughtful response. As a quick note, I'm not saying it's mandatory to carry if you're an educator.
I've never been to a school with a metal detector or a school police officer that actually did "police work" besides escorting misbehaving students. On the flipside, every school I've been to has had at least 2 teachers who were military/police at some point. You know they'd be the first to sign up for an in school CCW with every intention of protecting their students.
However, I do see where you're coming from about certain troubled students seeing it as an opportunity. I think of those educators who choose to carry like Air Marshals, they would make it difficult to know they even have the thing, and good luck snagging it from their waistband. If anything it'd allow the school to know who the troubled students are before they actually do something terrible.
Either way, I'd love to see what happens if a school does adopt my way of thinking.
@@MrParamethius where I worked as a school resource officer the metal detector was standard and in for morning arrival and was used for special events like musicals.
My condolences for all your loved ones.
How many arrests have been made over this?
Heartbreaking. “The right to bare arms.” It’s the American way. But not everyone is mentally stable to have, own, carry and shoot a gun. It’s not a right. Prove you are capable. Make it harder. Not a right.
They’re justification is always “if someone wants to do damage they’ll find a way” but can never elaborate. I want to know what kind of weapon they think any regular joe can use to kill 50 people in less than 20 minutes? What other weapon can you buy in mere minutes that’ll be able to do this much damage? They never want to admit that even though people get dui’s and hit people however the amount of people hurt in those accidents is never near the number as when someone walks into a grocery store, church or elementary school with this kind of weapon. Hell someone could probably drive and entire sports car into a building and literally injure less people because at the very f---- least you can see the car coming.
They saw this shooter coming too
I'm from Germany where we have decent gun laws - I do understand the argument that some Americans make, that an armed populace is harder to oppress. Maybe that's true in exceptional historical instances, like some coup or a revolution, but in reality, countries with strict gun laws are usually not any more oppressive or tyrannical than the American government.
You may bring up the fact that a certain group of people got into power in Germany in the 30s and that they maybe could've been stopped by armed citizens, but I really don't think so - those people had genuine popular support, that is the only reason they were able to seize power. A government can never last long without the consent of the people, it doesn't matter how many guns the people have. There are always ways to resist peacefully. Propaganda is far more dangerous than taking away people's guns.
does vice have a podcast format where there are English dubbed voices? this lady is my favorite journalist, and i wish i knew more context during the conversation
We cannot just forget this. We cannot stand by and do nothing