Katana vs Rapier Sparring - Burak vs Nick
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- Sparring bout putting east vs west in both weapon and style. Burak is a Kenjutsu practitioner who has also been training HEMA with us, against Nick, an instructor of rapier according to Capo Ferro.
Weapons used - katana is a synthetic by Black Fencer, the rapier is a mix of parts from four manufacturers built to Nick's spec, principally a Darkwood guard and custom Regenyei blade.
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0:56 biggest anime betrayal.
NANI????
Bahahaha! :"D wtf was that?!
nani? exactly yes 😂😂
Kkk
underrated
The Katana guy is a noob, he should jump 10 feet in the air and land with a vertical strike that cut the fencer in half and his sword to.
Valjam and he should’ve had flashbacks of his origin story
Que in the 10 minute dialogue about his new secret OP attack, and his story of how he learned and perfected it.
Noob or not, Rapier is always in advantage against Katana
@@aurelianobuendia5360 error.
I agree, dear colonel, katana is the most overrated sword out there.
guy in brown at 2:33 frickin jumped off the wall
Even better at 2:12 browns disappointment
Yeah I was going to comment on my own about that. My reaction when I saw that was well that just isn't practical followed by a confused wtf moment Haha oh that made my night.
What a legend
He's performing an anime scene
that colour is called beige mate
imagine telling an epic speech about how your weapon was forged by the gods living in mt fuji, folded 10000 times and can slice through anything with a breeze just to get stabbed in the stomach 30 seconds later with a rapier
Underated
I like the fact that Katanas are shorter than an Arming sword
Do rapiers have sharp edges like a traditional sword? If not, then one might just grab it then slash the rapier user
@@marckpalmer1750 rapiers are two edged
@@marckpalmer1750 Yes they are sharpened and can make fairly decent slashing weapons especially with the razor-like tip they are simply more refined than a katana. Japan never had enough Iron to experiment extensively in blade design. There is a saying in engineering that goes "An engineer knows he has reached the peak in his design not when there is nothing more to add but when there is nothing left to take away." A rapier is a blade that has had every bit of unneeded steel stripped from it. the Rapier has the advantage in both length and weight being both longer and lighter than the katana. It can move faster and at the same time strike further.
I don't know why, but I really liked it when they both saluted in their own sport's way of doing it
Same
Same. Shows the contrast of how each martial artist respect each other in their own art.
martial art. not “sport”
It's like Soul Caliber 3 all over again
I just remembered I did something similar in old martial art. My partner did Kickboxing/Karate or something and bowed to me while I did my weapon art's salute. That's some mortal kombat/ naruto shit right there lol.
The virgin red and black:
- uses actual sword techniques
- takes the fight to seriously
- bout attack and defend themselves
The chad brown and black 2:
- messes around with the swords
- doesn’t give two shits about the fight
- > black 2 uses sword throw.
> brown uses secret samurai wall jump attack.
cringe
hohohoaaa so as you
Dude in brown also has a smiley face drawn on his face mask..
RealCoolGuy to be fair my sparring mask has a smile on it, because it’s hard to imagine some 15 year old with a smile rushing you with a katana
You forgot to mention that red and black guy doesn't actually know how to use rapier properly. Indeed as you said he is using it like sword. :)
The real winners are the guys in the back left.
Are u dumb?
@@ketsu5422 It's a joke lol.
@@ketsu5422 get whoosh'd baby
Charlie get whoos’d baby
@@AltNova get Reddit, baby!
Screw watching them. Watch the pair on the left doing wild stuff like 2:30 and 2:01 😂😂😂😂
Here take my sword *throws sword*
That wall jump though
@@nateskinner97 real ankle action there
@@kierananderson851 it's the secret wall-jitsu
Use it for zoro oda sensei
this looks like my college gym :0
edit: this IS my college gym wth
LMAOO
Lmao you should go sometime (after the pandemic ofc)
Top ten anime plot twists
Lolll
The guy backing into him and slashing was pretty funny
It was the best part of the video.
@Joel Ceu , I just went back and saw it. That was hilarious. Got a good laugh. Thanks
The guy's facepalm in the back at 2:10 is gold
brUh moment
Just flicks the sword away like “really you thought that would work”
Well, he just had a sword thrown at him.
He does have a smiley face mask so..
but throwing swords is also a technique, right? It'll caught the opponent off guard. However, you might wanna have a spare weapon before you throw it lol.
0:57 friendly fire turned off
Had a saber, used by the French/people on naval vessels
I guess the weapon is only as good as the one who wields it.
Every weapon has advantages and disadvantages.
But even Excalibur would be wasted on an untrained child.
That is very true because a simple mistake can cost you your life. Though, a katana is a lot more dangerous than a rapier because it has a broader blade for defense, larger and very sharp edge for cutting, and its most dangerous ability is that you can change from a long distance sword stance to a short distance sword stance in less than a second, making it very or somewhat difficult for someone using a rapier to face against when the swordsman gets inside the length of the rapiers and past the main striking edge.
@@vilostrike2187 Actually, I've heard that in non armoured combat, the spanish rapier is the most lethal sword there is, because it has a long range and a speed that no other weapon can match, along with its good hand protection, also better than any other sword.
@@dyowzhars9400 Good to know
@@vilostrike2187 I want to clarify that I'm no expert, however. All I know comes from a bit of reading and listening to people much wiser than me. All I can tell you is that the rapier originated in the south of Europe, Spain and Italy, and those were places that had been at war pretty much every year from the Roman Empire to the American colonization. That means their swords had to adapt as quickly as possible whenever the military technology kept developing. I think all swords are the best within their own speciallity, but katanas were developed in an island without strong competition against foreign nations, and were supposed to fight against *other* katanas and finish the combat with a single hit of their incredibly sharp edge. Rapiers, on the other hand, weren't supposed to be the main weapon in the battlefield, but to be used in quick (and sometimes ambushed) combats, that very often took place in the streets, and had to respond in the most efficient way to wear down your opponet, be able to kill them as fast as possible, and allow you to use any trick that you can think of, even by unorthodox ways. I believe katanas hold a much bigger philisophical touch, while the rapier seems to be responding to mere desperation to survive.
But I'd advise you to keep reading and learning on your own, of course.
The guy in the back at 2:32 does a running jump at his opponent. I'm crying it's so funny for some reason.
Same I lost all intrest in the actual fight when that happend
Bro check 4:05
@@bhavukkwatra606 lmfao
The massive reach advantage of the rapier makes it hard for the katana user to feel comfortable attacking, though if you notice when he did attack and close the distance, the superior mass and weight of the blade made it more difficult for the rapier to defend, as the thinner blade was more easier whacked about.
Adding a buckler might have spelled doom for the katana wielder, which is generally the theme of Japanese sword fighting vs Western sword fighting.
The shield and weapon combination just makes countering while inflicting damage so much easier for the wielder.
. And rapier can be used with the dagger.
@@PyromaN93 I didn't know that.
The katana user needs to get close in order to do damage but other guy is having the advantage because he is keeping his distance
rapier is only slightly lighter than the katana. Its disadvantage once distance is closed has more to do with the fact its user is defending with one hand against too.
Rapier definetely has the reach advantage, a significant one. But as already point out, a rapier fighter would be more likely to use in combination with a dagger or buckler if he had a choice, like in the bolognese style for example. This way, he has an even bigger advantage as he can parry and attack at the same time.
In fact, when you consider that the rapier has a thin blade and it's primilarly meant for thrusting, it makes much more sense to have a secondary weapon able to open the way for a thrust.
As far as self-defense is concerned, buckler and sword (including rapier) are probably the best pick after the longsword.
@@benjaminthibieroz4155 I think buckler and sword are better than longsword, or better yet a kite shield and sword. The defensive capabilities you gain from a shield are incredible, there's a reason why battlefields have been dominated by weapon-and-shield styles rather than two-handed weapon styles for most of history, the key exception being when plate armour became popular in the renaissance. When unarmoured or lightly armoured, sword and shield will always be a better choice.
I have always really enjoyed the look of the thrust based rapier fencing style. It was of course effective but it's also a visually appealing thing to watch at least to me.
I think the rapier is the most annoying sword ever invented. It is strong, fast, long, lethal and really hard to fight aganist unless you also have one. Sabers, longswords, armings swords etc... every thing that rely on cutting is at disadvantage, and i like those swords way more than i like a rapier
@@rupestreviajante6664 A disadvantage of the rapier: it's an absolute bitch to lug around everywhere.
@@secutorprimus another is that it's techniques are so linear. In melee you want to make space around yourself with cuts.
Rupestre Viajante rapiers are annoying though I would of thought with a long tapered long sword you would have a level playing field and if not use half swording to help push away thrusts
Spear beats rapier though
As a person who has studied kenjutsu in the past I will say rapiers are tricky to deal with when using a katana. That being said there are a couple of ways to do it, but you need to be either a little crazy or very good to pull them off. They also mostly involve out maneuvering the person with a rapier.
Katana is just too short to effectively fight a rapier.
James Forgie but the rapier are just too long
Just give him a tachi or a o-katana (longer katana version?)
No, the katana guy in this video was just less experienced.
Uhm....you mean a knife
George Silver would rant so much at this comment, lol.
I laughed so hard when the guy threw the sword at 2:00
Then the guy in brown just facepalms
Nice one
Its the gamer move
Expect the unexpected
Mordhau moment
Silver Chariot VS Chaka (1989, colorized)
aspiringMarksman Jojo reference
@@Joe_4679 Thank you for pointing that out! It's not like it was a reference in the first place!
aspiringMarksman No problem man! I am Always the Genius type of a weeb! 💯 💯 epic dub win chicken chicken Victory Royal
go polnareff!
Finally I found one
the pair behind them grappled at times. i enjoyed them more 🤣😝
Accurate portrayal of two dex builds fighting to the death
Only thing missing is lag-stabs and spamming roll.
4:05 the guy in the back straight up started wrestling 😂 😂😂
Those two are legends
Unlike Kendo, wrestling is part of western longsword. If the swordspeople get close, and and can grab, then it can turn into wrestling.
I commented on the previous video of "Katana vs saber" there I noted how the previous guy wielding the katana was simply not skilled enough with it and moved with more Hema style strikes and guards. I can say the practitioner in this video is definitely considerably more familiar behind a Japanese sword. Unfortunately, the rapier in a duel/spar setting is just simply beyond OP against cutting style blades especially those that have shorter lengths like the katana, Dao, falchion etc. In my years of swordsmanship, I've never beat an honestly skilled rapier user who knew what he was doing. Granted they are rare where I live. I can say one thing however in defense of the katana and other similar style weapons is using a rapier and impaling your blade into an opponent might not incapacitate him fast enough to stop a desperate cleaving blow to a forearm, shoulder or head.
while a rapier might work somewhat against someone trained to the degree you see in the video, i heavily believe that a more weighty arming sword, of any kind, is vastly superior to a rapier for one simple reason; it's not designed for other swords. and while i do understand that "each blade excells at what it was designed to do", i think what makes one blade better than another is simply, whichever one wins in a fight against the other, and from here is where it goes more to "technique" rather than blade; the blade accounts for the possibilities, the technique accounts for getting to one of them.
In early engagements Western swordsman were able to defeat their Japanese counterparts in duels so many times that it forced them to make stronger swords.
Sorry Charlie but the guy with the rapier is an amature level fencer. Constantly dragging his rear foot, squared up several times, off hand was all over the place. Fencing is all about balance footwork, and committment. His hesitation was probably due to the fact he normally does not wear all that gear and a full size rapier is significantly heavier than a foil or epee but regardless there is an obvious lack of fencing training.
@@CharacterZero89 Amateur, nof amature.
No he isn't.
0:55 Nick was like:
*SHADOW CLONE JUTSU*
Jajaja
Fine.... that was pretty damn funny.
Lol Lol Lol Red using ninjutsu
Time for my ultimate move "Pocket Sand!"
Dale gribble
Rogue lineage lol
Lynx didn’t think id find a brother here
It's kinda useless if the opponent is wearing face protection
Either weapon can be deadly or useless, depending on who is wielding them.
r3d3y3si Are you sure about that?
@@holyhuman5217 yes
Katana it s pretty useless
Rapier is useless against gun.
@@r3d3y3si gun is useless against a solar burst.
In a fight between two pro of these weapons, the rapier is a way faster and can trust better.
0:55 Lol, you won a match you wasn't even a part of.
JoJo fans: Hey I've seen this before!
Everyone else: What do you mean you've seen it it's brand new.
PORUNAREFFU
Does anyone even realize this is basically a battle between the two most popular styles of sword fighting.
I wish the katana user was more skilled and didn’t overcommit but this displays the clear advantages of both. The rapier’s speed and range make it very difficult to defend against, but a flurry of katana strikes must be met with a perfect counter or the rapier wielder is done for
Miguel Moronta if anything it shows the advantage of the rapier to the katana. It’s much easier to parry or dodge a slash than dodge a thrust . In order for the katana to be useful he has to get in close, problem is the rapier keeps him at a distance. It’s not easier to get close to someone who wants to stab you.
Eric Nino I’m not denying that, I definitely believe the Rapier is overall better. I’m simply stating that one of them has an advantage. Just likely a 1-handed axe vs spear. Spears have an overwhelming advantage unless in grappling distance. 9/10, the spear will win. But you can’t deny that an axe is the best in that specific situation
The Adventure Gamer I can’t deny these things, I’m aware one is clearly better overall. I’m just saying that Katanas have a niche. Like I said in the other comment, let’s take a small axe vs spear. Spears are undeniably better overall. But in grappling distance, the axe has the upper hand. That’s all I’m saying, I just didn’t convey that well whatsoever. You were right to correct me.
@The Adventure Gamer i would argue that it wasn't technological stagnation, so much as resource starvation. They didn't have any iron, which makes it very hard to produce steel weapons. Their archery was amazing and unique and they had excellent and ahead-of-their-time strategies for incorporating arbalests and firearms into mixed late medieval style forces, but these things were so effective that they consolidated the whole nation politically and lead to a focus on soft power rather than military tech. Keeping in mind that when they turned back to martial production, in two generations they were able to defeat a major european power at sea, which is pretty crazy when you think about it.
2:05 look at the guys in the back on the left lol
"Time for my secret move!"
Parries throw
"Fuck. "
ooohh woopsie
My patience has been rewarded.
East meets west. Two completely different strengths and weaknesses.
Pretty cool! And they actually called when they were hit. Nothing is better than a sparring match where men actually admit their hits before their opponent. It is how things should be
Otaku: The Katana is the perfect sword
Reality:
Edit: i know it depends on who's wealdding it, but I think reach advantage clearly makes the difference in almost every scenario, unless you're dealing with full-plate armor
Same, but Katanas are very coll
I preffer bigger Katanas , like a nodachi or a O'Katana LOL
This and the fact that Burak is not using his Tenouchi for counterattacks. When Nick tries to enter, Burak only deflects his rapier, but does not take advantage of that moment with Tenouchi (heavy stomp on the ground that allows to shorten distances and attack at the same time).
Of course, to do is is VERY HARD, because of timing. But can still be done.
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It's rather like the sword vs. spear issue. People love the romanticized sword, but it's the spear that won wars. :)
A arma otaka mais top é uma loli de vestido
Rapiers should be nerfed. They're op in a 1v1.
Why does no body get this it doesn’t matter what type of sword you have its a bout skills, sword tactics, strength, ability, stamina, Quick dodging
They're way too quick compared to katanas, look at the black dude, he didn't get a single hit through with his katana and the rapier guy hit him more than several times, too op.
@@faz0ulz I think you missed the joke
@@faz0ulz In fact most weapons are strong against some and weak against others. If they are equally skilled sword does matter.
“When A Red Dark Spirit Is Summoned”~ Dark Souls
Or Nioh
Here we have a rapier scum and a running katanna spammer
And nobody have gone for the parry yet. Such casul play.
Should've brought in a Zweihander user,this was casul shit.
@@thegk-verse4216 parry is gay
I've always loved the rapier thanks to movies like Zorro, The Three Musketeers and The Princess Bride.
He (Buzak) seemed to have more success when he started covering lines and using that to deflect / get behind the tip and get on the offensive. This showed what I think the katana is good for, delivering lots of cuts in tight movements, which could explain (among other factors) the point of the katana being so relatively short, it makes it easier to make these tight counter cuts and covers. I'm glad to see more people from other arts getting involved with HEMA clubs so we can see other methods used in non-compliant, unchoreographed training!
Rapier guy is quite poor at technique. Especially footwork, he need much much more practice.
i wish there was also footage of the guys at the back
Very interesting ! I did expect the rapier to have an advantage in one on one duels -this is, after all, what the rapier is specialized for- but seeing it is fascinating, especially against a katana. It clearly demonstrates what an important factor reach constitutes.
I was surprised to see the rapierist use cuts so often, most of the time in fact. Is that typical of that particular style ? And yet, when he does use thrusts, they almost always land, square in the chest ! He makes it seem so easy ! °o° That is particularly impressive to watch ! (Not that it means much coming from someone without any practical experience in rapier fencing... and I probably missed at least half the minutiae of what he was doing, but hey, it is still amazing to see ! ^_^)
I also wonder how safety concerns impact the rules for rapier sparring. (I remember thrusts being greatly discouraged for safety concerns when I practiced kendo, as being stabbed in the throat can be painful even with the armour, especially if you are charging the opponent when it happens.)
I do wish there was a club teaching rapier fencing where I live. I find that it is the most beautiful weapon ever made, and it has some of the most awesome looking fighting styles ! If you have to fight, you might as well do it in style ! :D
Alas, there is no rapier club near me. (Though there is a modern sport fencing club called « Escrime La Rapière » ! >_< The worst of it is that many, if not most, practitioners of modern sport fencing, at least here in France, actually believe that modern epées and fleurets ARE rapiers... >_< Probably because HEMA is not as widespread or publicised here than in other countries. Sorry for the tangent, this misunderstanding always irks me ^_^'')
Anyway... In the absence of a rapier fencing club, I have to be content with watching TH-cam videos about it... Strangely, there are many videos about longsword, saber, and other weapons fencing, and even more about japanese fencing styles, but not so many about rapier and smallsword fencing. Thank you for making videos about them ! Rapiers and smallswords need more love !
U wouldn’t believe how modern culture has twisted the rapier, I’m yet to meet a single person to know that the rapier was commonly dual wielded and small shields were also used. (Note: when I say dual wielded, I do not mean with the dagger, I mean two rapiers). A lot of people also think true rapier fighting happened exclusively amongst civilians, this however is not the case where the rapier was used as a secondary of many specialty and guard units such as the Spanish musketeers.
I mean, the reach advantage of the rapier is going to be hard for the katana to contend with. Particularly as the most lethal part of the rapier is right at the tip, whereas I imagine the cutting power of the katana is maximised about 12cm down from the tip.
Having said that, in a fight to the death (let's take armour out of the equation as both swords perform quite poorly against armour), even when running someone through, the rapier doesn't have tremendous stopping power.
Interesting match up!
I'm guessing you've never been stabbed.
People seem to like stating a rapier has low stopping power.
It has more stopping power than a Glock 19.
More than a Beretta 92. (Both 9mm)
More than a Colt 1911 .45
More stopping power than a stiletto stabbed anywhere (Why do so many folks die from stabbings [without anyone ever killing their opponent directly at all after being stabbed] yearly?).
How is that for comparison?
(Have been stabbed, shot, bludgeoned, and ran over, all at different times. No fun experiences any of'em)
@@Zathaghil You have any data in that? Because at first glance bullets would seem to have way more impact force behind them than rapier.
@@Zathaghil I am
Intrigued to say the least
@@nystagmushorizontalis being hit at full force with the thrust of even a blunt, training rapier fucking hurts through padded protections, and it will leave a mark.
Now consider that rapier masters wrote that the ideal way to wound with a rapier is to stab and penetrate "until your hilt is stopped by the enemy's body".
Addendum: I also once accidentally stabbed a friend in the hand using a training saber that had lost its cap. You'd never believe how little resistance flesh offers against a blade.
I don't know shit about hema. But using a nodaci instead of katana would balance the situation?
Batalla de Cagayan, Spain vs Japan and China, 1582.
De hecho, no, los tercios en esa batalla usaron picas para ganarla. Todo el mundo habla de espadas, pero la lanza (en formacion, sobre todo) es la verdadera reina del campo de batalla.
@@Bytheemperor gracias por el comentario, aunque supongo que los japoneses también usaban armas de fuego portuguesas y lanzas japonesas.
@@dansvok3872 Exacto y es alli donde los japos cayeron en el juego de los tercios. Lo siento, pero las formaciones de lanzas niponas (en especial de piratas, lease delincuentes), nunca se iban a comparar jamas en la vida contra las de un ejercito profesional y bien equipado como eran los tercios.
Las cosas como son, ademas la artilleria española era tremendamente superior. Puede hablarse mucho de espadas, pero en el contexto de una batalla antigua, estas eran mas bien secundarias, en la mayoria de los casos (salvo quizas con los romanos y los lansquenetes con sus bihander).
@@Bytheemperor la verdadera destreza no era solo con una ropera, tambien usaban una daga en la otra mano, si tu adversario solo tenía una espada la batalla ya estaba casi ganada.
Da gusto ver la gente de cultura que se ha reunido en este comentario 👏
I've fenced for a while now. The average amateur will just walk into your blade if you hold it out
The rapier is a better dueling weapon all around in my opinion
alone, the longsword beats it in my opinion. But in combination with a dagger or buckler, i think you're definitely right.
Same goes for sidesword and backsword.
Benjamin Thibieroz In my experience, rapier whoops longsword’s ass just because of the versatility. So long as you can get around the blade, you have free reign to bury your sword hilt deep in their chest, lol.
@@aliteralflamingpileofgarba6236 well, i trust experience but i'm suprised. What would be prevent the logsword user to do exactly the same. Don't the two hands give him more leverage and power in the strike?
Benjamin Thibieroz The two hand certainly allow you gain the blade. Trying a blade seizure with a rapier would be a horrible idea. However, the rapier has much more agility, as it only needs one hand and a strong spring to land. Longsword requires essentially the entire body to begin a strike. Not to mention feints and disengages with a rapier are so much faster and harder to see. I won’t say that rapier is 100% superior or something else so intense, but in my personal experience, rapier’s versatility edges out longsword.
Just use a gun
My dark souls character, choingus, dual wields those weapons.
I'm a Japanese. This youtube is interesting!
Polnareff that you?
Jetskii 2001 silver chariot headass
Oh oh MUKATERUNOKA POLNAREFF ?
Yes! I am!
Right-handed or not, I do believe da katana wielder should have his right leg forward. Not an expert, but I heard because da heart's on da left side of da human body, u should wanna keep it back 2 protect it.
I enjoyed watching the guys on the background more
Me too.
same
The key is the guy with the Katana has to close the distance and get past the point of the rapier. He then holds a strong advantage. On the other hand the guy with the rapier needs better footwork on the retreat in order to maintain the distance advantage he holds when the guy with the Katana charges him. I think working on lunges and moving/attacking off line would also help the user of the rapier.
Second video I've seen with Nick vs Burak, I think you're still suffering from over utilizing the passing step like when doing longsword. Your handling of the weapon is why too reminiscent of the longsword, pivoting about the tsuba, not enough chambering from jodan to make your strikes ambiguous. For example, at 3:16. That straight up looks like krumphau into multiple zwerchhaus. You have forward momentum and you just rode it instead of making more calculated, minute steps. Easy to say not facing the ranged guy, I know. You had the right idea at 1:56, which is apply pressure without swinging the sword. I think Okuri Ashi might help with that: stepping in while relax upper body to parry incoming attacks. You've done kenjutsu so you should know it, but this is for others who may not. In addition, batting the saber away probably isn't going to do much.
th-cam.com/video/qC1bCBzvSBU/w-d-xo.html
Kudos to Nick for the nice backwards passing steps to maintain distance. Also, I swear the first video you started right hand lead. Did you change sides just so you can have a smaller target area?
2:01 here hold this
I feel like the katana guy needs a tad more refining with his footwork and maybe try not to chase so much. Then again, I’ve never competed in any HEMA-type setting and have no real experience here. I’m just a martial arts enthusiast with amateur observations so please don’t hate me if that was a dumb thing to say.
Comments salty when they realise the rapier is just a better more evolved sword than the katana
Extreme Paper cut vs loss of limb
@@austinfackenderSurgeon vs butcher
I expected some silver chariot shit
Anubis vs Polnareff
Cagayan 1582,XD
Except they were a bunch of bandits, with bamboo spears. Not actual samurai.
Many of them were ronin
Yeah.... About that so-called "battle"
gunbai-militaryhistory.blogspot.com/2018/11/cagayan-battles-of-1582-debunking-hoax.html?m=1
Pilipino
samurai only wins in manga xd
here its an example of a bad used rapier,no counters,no blocks,just runs back,the stance its not really good,or the "instructor its not tacking it serisuly or its not that good,rapier its way superior to katana in almost everything
日本刀で左利きは無いわ 着物着たこと無いのかな^^何故左側に刀差して右手で抜刀するのか知らないみたいですね
Why does the katana user seem to lose in almost every video?
other than the katana having inferior reach, or is that the only reason he's losing
Reach is a massive factor. Additionally, though Burak has many years of Kenjutsu practice, he does not have anywhere near as much sparring practice as our instructors do. Simply down to the fact that in most Kenjutsu schools there is comparatively little to no sparring. The katana is going to have an especially hard time against the very long rapiers, as they truly are one of the ultimate unarmoured, one on one swords.
Academy of Historical Fencing Could you tell me his style? I agree with you on the factors you've made points on, but I don't really understand his mid stance. It seems rather odd to me, as if he was using a European longsword.
45in is such a long blade that this rapier only dubiously counts as a sidearm. Thibault would not approve. The katana in question would be much easier to wear and draw.
Thibault prefers a shorter sword, but that is merely a preference. 45" is an incredibly common length. Look at museums or auction catalogues for example. It is easy to wear, and still easy to draw with the two point low slung rapier belt. The very long rapiers were carried and worn in civilian life commonly. Watch the 21 foot draw video we did, in that we used a 42" bladed rapier and you can see how quick and easy it is to draw, 45 is not much different.
Even the length of the 42in rapier in your test seemed to be an issue, as you acknowledged there. And 45 inches *is* more than 42 inches. It's not just Thibault who recognized the problem of drawing longer blades; various 16th-century military manuals specified maximum blade lengths around 36-37 inches in order to facilitate quick drawing. (Thibault's recommended length was somewhat longer than this.) Personally, I'm 5'10". I can just barely manage a 45in blade under ideal circumstances, but shorter blades are much easier to draw. And of course extremely long rapier were in fashion rather briefly. I suspect this was in part because of the difficulty of wearing and drawing them. A 45in blade would be fine for a set duel and for honorable fights in general but could be a liability in an ambush situation. (Having a dagger would make this less of an issue.) Have you ever tried just wearing a 45in blade rapier in daily life? Even a 36in blade is plenty inconvenient, but a 45in one takes it to another level.
the internet is dark and full of haters. Nice vid.
What does cringy means ? Could you please tell me , I am an English learner.
@Pedro Sepulveda What
@@CrazyJean people pretty much use it to push away anything they don't agree with, hate, or don't like.
But the proper use of the word means something along the lines of seeing or doing something that makes people physically recoil and wince in discomfort
And it's Usually comedic
Burak, another really interesting bout. If I may ask, what ryūha did you study?
No, Ryū as "school", not "dragon".
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryū_(school)
I think the scoring system here heavily favors the rapier. In reality a rapier isn’t meant for slashing, but here it’s worth exactly the same as a katana slash. Adding to that the additional reach of the rapier, the katana doesn’t stand a chance.
Even in a real life battle, hitting the enemy is much better than a powerful strike that missed its target. The scoring system doesn't exactly favor the rapier, it favors the reach advantage.
Not really. The rapier is very much intended to slash/cut. Every single rapier treatise of the era this sword is from teaches extensive cutting. They favour the thrust where possible, but cutting is a huge part of rapier. But yes, reach gives an advantage in most fights. Fights are often not fair. Also remember this is just an exhibition. We aren't saying cuts from a rapier are worth as much as a cut from a katana, not remotely.
Search rapier cutting videos they can cut or even chop well due to high velocity of the tip however edge allignment takes a lot of skill and big slashes leave you so open to a thrust.
The rapier was the ultimate 1 on 1 dueling weapon. It made other swords obsolete. Even a small opponent could skewer someone of any size. Against an unarmored opponent in single combat, it is better than the katana. However in a roomful of zombies, I'll take a katana!! I once saw someone cut 2.5 pig corpses in half with 1 swing.
1:20 the brown guy
I love watching bouts between two different weapons and styles because they don't know what do do with themselves half of the time and just stand there
Ahh who won? Looked more like a lesson for a yelder rather than a weapon comparison. Cool video, would have liked to see a few matches not just the one?
The fencer, he got a point more times then the kendo practitioner, which makes sense given how the sword styles work
I think it was at best of 3 times. Kataner touch first, but when he was more and more tired fencer get advantage and touch 2 times.
Kataner admit defeat and duel is over.
Great duel anyway
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Seems like rapier would win if both opponents are of high but equal skill and unarmored. With armor, I'd expect katana to win. It seems like it's hard for the katana guy to close the distance against the rapier without getting stabbed, but if he could shrug the hit off with armor, then he could land a devastating slash. Does this seem wrong? I'm a noob with no skill, just inferring from what I see.
Rapiers are actually quite good even at dealing with armoured targets since they can easily fit into even the smallest gaps.
The 16th century spanish half-body plate armour would also force the katana user to go after either the legs or head which would further hinder him.
Armor would affect both equally so rapier will still win. Katana wins if both guys start out with swords sheathed and worn on their bodies. The katana is designed to be drawn quickly while the rapier's length makes it unwieldy to draw. That's why fencing duels always started with swords already out
Rapier so much better in a duel. The thrust just tips the scales so much
Two hands against one hand. Musashi got It watching portuguese and and spanish swordsman at his time.
Maybe find a combatant who actually knows Kendo?
He practices kenjutsu wich is the "dad" of Kendo
Real samurai also knew grappling, and the katana is a much more devastating weapon. Chances are if an untrained katana user just rushed a trained fencer he wouldn't sustain the first fatal injury more times than not.
After many years of kendo training I felt the urge to get either my shinai or bokken and beat the bejasus out of the pair of them.
@@mymartianhome The katana guy, aka Burak, has studied Kenjutsu for 11 years. He would kick your sorry keyboard warrior ass. Why don't you upload your videos and show how awsome you're supposed to be?
@@austinfackender Tell that to the Samurai who were destroyed by Portuguese rapier fencers in their 16th and 17th century duels. Look it up and stop talking about shit you don't even know, weaboo.
+2:32 is the most viewed part of the video, let's see...
+The guy with the katana did a very good job. Wait...
**looking at the guy jumping to the wall**
+Oohhh...
What I got from this is if you have the rapier your best defense is offense. As long as you're on the attack, the samurai is kept off balance. Once the katana gets the rapier pointed vertically downward it's a wrap, though: the katana cuts through the sword and than goes in for the kill. I don't think a buckler helps much in that situation because the buckler arm will almost always be out of position.
The katana swordsman is much better than I could ever be, but a faster wielder would have sidestepped the rapier's lunge and counterattacked while the rapier swordsman was still committed or pulling back. Easier said than done, though.
Dodging to the side is seen in circular fencing, so the rapier swordsman would also move sideways to prevent the katana swordsman from closing the distance.
It's weird seeing the Kenjutsu stance in the vid does not follow the usual pose (or Kamae) our instructor told us. Our instructor (which was an old Japanese guy) told us, no matter the situation to mind your stance as it determines whether your cut is valid or not. We usually do no-contact sparring, whether it's for form, or actual combat exhibits. I know there's pressure in dealing with long rapiers, but in my opinion, I got the feeling that the Kenjutsu guy was kinda treating the nodachi as a western short/arming sword.
There's "grace in movements" when executing strikes is what I have noticed while observing..
Idk, maybe there's a difference in western vs eastern teachings. Greetings from Japan
@@bscpiper229 agreed. I'm more trained in Kendo, and I think it's proper for the Kenjitsu user to use the actual kamae since they are technically making a comparison on Katana techniques vs Western Fencing techniques. It just feels "too sloppy" if put into my teacher's words.
@@1chaplain The "cut is valid" if it hits.
I think if he used the "proper" footwork and techniques, he would have gotten beaten more. He adapted - at least tried - and it came down to the reach.
But idk, i just hate the fucking Katana myth-bullshit-make-everything-beautiful-and-valid shit :D
buuut to each their own, i guess
The idea of the proper stance in kenjutsu is to have a better support on the foot in the back so you can get better impulse. In kendo matches, the fighters have to move into their opponents range very quickly. So, I belive the katana guy lost because of technique, not because of the weapon
@@MrEd-qc7vr agreed. tldr; he might need more "experience" in kenjitsu
They are both obviously fighting with hema stances
While two handed grip results in power, the one-handed fencing style clearly has a reach advantage. Its not just the length of the blade, but the user's body is far back and the arm is outstretched. Its difficult for me to imagine how to close the distance. While the rapier can go for killing chest-blows, the katana user is forced to aim for the hand / arm instead (and its not like the rapier isn't allowed to go for the arm... its just easier to hit the large, immobile chest compared to the quickly moving hands of the opponent).
From a pure theory-craft perspective, I would feel like the Katana-style combat would practically require taking advantage of your strength advantage and going for "guard crush" attacks. Hell, in saber fencing (even one handed), my friend would consistently go for guard crush because he knew he was slightly stronger than me. Swing as hard as you can, and the opponent's guard will move. Its not "elegant" and its kind of "anti-technique", I don't think that style of fighting is looked very positively upon. But brute force works damn it, even in saber fencing.
The exchange at 2:39 shows the skill of the Rapier fencer. The first block is with the Rapier's strong part of the blade, and you can see that (thanks to leverage), even the one-handed Rapier was able to effectively block the strong two-handed swing from the Katana user. The 2nd swing was on the Rapier's weak part of the blade, and you can see the guard clearly getting crushed. However, the Rapier user literally dodges the blow with his body. The Rapier user issues the 3rd blow to the head, and wins the round. The Katana user was clearly hoping that the 2nd guard-crushing blow would finish the round. Success on guard crush, but failure on actually landing the blow.
A lesser opponent would have failed to block the first attack (only possible due to skill: using the strong of the blade), and a lesser opponent would have ALSO failed to dodge the 2nd blow. But at the same time, it shows the advantage of "hanging back" with the European one-handed fencing style. The body is far enough back that it is difficult to land a decisive hit, even with guard-crushing two handed blows swinging at the body.
Heh, well, I guess I don't really have a conclusion. It does seem like the Rapier has an advantage from this video alone however. But it might be due to the Rapier user's skill and strength. Its really hard to use one hand to stop a blow made with two hands, and the Rapier fencer has the skill AND strength to do it.
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For Honor Devs: LET'S MAKE A GAME ABOUT THIS (wait no rapier in For Honor)
no katana in mordhau either, damn
They should add someone with a rapier
That's the Puss in boots fans are asking for so long now. Maybe next season
@@e_nglitched_wolf9880 I would say the rapier, civilian weapon of the Renaissance, has nothing to do on the battlefield with knights that use late thirteen century armor, but hey, for honor has done worse in that matter
There was a real confrontation between soldiers with katanas and soldiers with rapiers. The battle was in the Philippines, 1500 ronin (lordless samurai) against 40 Spanish marines. The Spanish won
Using swords two handed restricts movement. U can see the red guy has more mobility. Holding sword two hands makes the body face forward.
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Debate all you want about which weapon is better, but I will just say this: The rapier is the superior duel weapon.
Yes, in a one on one unarmoured fight in open space, with weapons drawn, most swords have a hard time against the rapier. It absolutely excels at that sort of fight. Which is where it evolved, street fighting, self defence and duel.
Are those the famous last words of a man facing a pistol?
It does appear that the rapier would have a major advantage in unarmored combat. But it also seems like taking a hit from the katana would probably be a lot more lethal than from a rapier.
In an armored battle I don't think a rapier would fare very well though.
@@agentmikster44 neither would the Katana, methinks. I would see some Katana vs Gambeson tests.
@@gabesd6697 the key to beating a gambeson is sharpness a good katana wont leave you wanting for that.
it seems all comments forget to mention that steel forging from Toledo, at that age , was way much better quality than Japanese. Katanas would not stand a chance against the strenght of any Spanish sword at that time, a rapier could even break a Katana easily.
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Burak, how did you study kenjutsu as distinct from kendo? I'm a kendoist of many years and sense some kendo in what you do, but also see the dissimilarities.
Kendo is not a practical system as opposed to kenjutsu schools, so right there, the differences will start to show. But kenjutsu is not really one thing, but more like an umbrealla term. In fact, it depends of the style you learned from. I don't recognize his form or technique. It's important to note that this is sparring with different weapons, so the form might come out a bit messy.
One thing kendo is good for is the psychology and spirituality of fighting. To my eye, it looked like Burak lost this fight in the mind before he lost it in the body. Nick is an extremely confident swordsman, and that confidence might be worth several times its weight in technique. In kendo you don't separate the two much.
No doubt that kendo will improve the mind set of the individual during sparring. I'm a fellow kenshi myself and I noticed the difference it makes. Whereas it's true that an experienced kendoka would keep composure and still be very effective, kendo techniques don't translate well to a "Real" and practical duel. Kendo is a lot about playing games with your opponent, intimidating him, taking him out of balance and THEN getting that first hit, desregarding the fact that your whole body might be exposed even if your primary hit targets are not (men, kote, do). But sparring in HEMA not only frowns on that, because you should always defend yourself above all things, it also harbours a lot of different techniques that can punish such moves. I agree that the kenjutsu practitioner lost a lot of his composure here, but that might be because the rapier itself is a very intimidating weapon and frustrating to fight against, and Nick certainly knows how to wield it. I myself fought against Rui (Nick's friend that learned military saber with - Nick has a video of the two sparring) with my longsword (it's a feder so it's longer than the katana) versus his capo ferro's rapier and I can tell that ~1,20m of length is a scary thing for a one handed weapon even considering the fact that I'm not under the impression that I'm a good fencer and that Rui is not as good as Nick. But I also would like to see a different kind of approach from the Kenjutsu guy, but it's like what I'm saying, the rapier might force you to do things you wouldn't want to :P It requires some practice to fight against to really understand how you can exploit its weaknesses.
You're lucky! I would love to spar with these guys. I live in the States.
I've been on both sides of the katana vs. rapier match-up and know exactly what you're talking about. It feels a lot like fighting a spear with a straight sword; your body gets the sense that there's nothing it can possibly do to come out on top.
Nathan Kross in 3:15 burak could've win that fight...he already closed the gap and his enemy has panicked. and that leg is unguarded(by this means the fighter is busy defending his head and torso not knowing his leg is exposed). also his enemy expose his torso like in 3:17 . he could exploit this opening too. still good fight tho but i'm just gaijin sitting in a couch
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You can really see how good a rapier is in this video. I have always been a fan of a katana, but the amount of reach you have is considerably shorter with it.
And the guy with the katana and the two handed hold squares his body nicely for the rapier attacks.
1:12 what was that? Rapier bitchslap?
is nobody gonna talk about 2:06 in the background?
.....that, then thw wall jump and random oportunistic slash at katana/knife guy....cmon soo much sillyness is happening in this video
when your beloved japanese two-handed cutlass proves inferior to almost all european swords...where is your argument the katana reached it peak evolution now, weeaboos?
The katana guy isnt even trained he is holding the sword wrong and his stance is not even close to good for a katana user the arms are suposed to be almost fully streched out to get as much teach as possible and youare suposed to have the right hand right under the tsuba and the left at the bottom
The Katana guy must be a noob, just use air slash man, you won't cut the rapier guy in half when using fake sword so don't worry about it.
it frustrates me how the rapiers for sparring are so flimsy, anything can deviate them or parry them with no problem :(
Because they are meant to strike with the tip.
@@timherald4516 he means it's to easy to knock them to the side because they aren't solid. Real rapiers are very solid.
@@MrJaaaaake But then so are practice katanas, comparatively to the real ones. Even more so than the diff for rapiers. And sabres. And practice longswords. Goes for ALL of them, really, maybe not the really short ones or smallswords.
They have to be flexible or they'd do serious damage on practice when thrusting and stabbing lol
Well, it depends of the point of the rapier where you apply the force. La Verdadera Destreza show us this kind of swords offers different grades of resistance to movement, lesser as it goes far to the grip (leverage effect)
Sorry for my awful english
I often use shorter weapons to fight longer ones and a few observations I made was that Burak started his engagements way too close. You need to control when the clash happens especially with a shorter blade. Timing is key. Wait, provoke, wait more if need be then strike in fast using your faster weapon to work in close. Sport fencers are spectacular people to have teach you distance and timing. They naturally make for good rapierists.
At the start he kept a better distance, but as the fight went on, I manipulated the distance to allow me to get closer, which is why he starts getting hit my lunges more from wide measure. That is in part what by bobbing back and forth is, combined with changes in guard height and reach, all a deception to get closer. Sport fencers are indeed great for developing distance and timing. We started the club with two great sport fencers, and spent years and years sparring with them before we ever taught new students. A lot of valuable experience.
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing its all about closing distance so as with boxing or sword fighting. if you can close the distance better then you win. because once you have closed the distance you have the advantage.
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing what would be interesting be to use two katanas, one being shorter to parry and distract. a duel wielder.
Katana was a war weapon. It was intended to be used against multiple opponents, whether on foot or while riding an horse, usually as a secondary option when one lost a spear or when surrounded by enemies in close quarters.
Rapier was designed specifically for one on one duels.
Different applications, different design principles, different strengths and weaknesses.
Nope, not true. The rapier was far more universal than that, and fulfilled all the roles the katana did. In this particular video the rapier used is a civilian type as it is so long and narrow bladed, and so is facing a katana that was also carried for the same purpose in civilian life. In a military context the rapiers used were similar, but with shorter and broader blades. So this fight represents a civilian fight with the sorts of swords carried in that context. If you want to take it to a military context then the rapier would have to change to what was used there, and was highly successful as a sidearm in that sort of combat, which was often armoured. But in this video, the context is the same, self defence weapon for a civilian.
You're likely thinking of Epees, Rapiers were a battlefield weapon
Not even correct about the katana. Tachi's were battlefield swords, katana's were adapted during peacetime, Essentially carried by government workers.(think of them like federal agents carrying handguns) Most sword styles that were developed after Togugawa took over are dueling styles.
Rapier is long, but soft.
Katana is short, but sturdy.
Rapier Strategy: Keep opponent at a distance with quick stabs.
Katana Strategy: Close the distance quickly after a parry.
Rapier is not as soft as you think. It is a misconcept from fencing.
Personally, rapier is one of the best, if not the best, weapons. Unless u need gun, then go for a gun, but otherways... it can even challenge zweihander.
ZekeSinner the best all around melee weapon has always been spear
Maybe, but good look with fighting in room with that, or in a hall. Imo rapier is more balanced in that aspect. I dont say i dislike spears tho.
Why not both? ^^
The rapier is the best melee weapon for unarmoured duels.
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I think the guy using the katana doesn't even practice kendo, his footwork's making him trouble
No particular sword discipline adpated as well, he’s just a guy with katana