Thanks to Nick for reviewing our Stellaris Slim 15. We would like to make a small but important correction on timestamp 0:12 to 0:24 to avoid misunderstandings: TUXEDO Stellaris Slim 15 is NOT the successor to Nick's Stellaris 15 from 2021, because this one was focussed on max performance (available with up to RTX 3080) and better cooling. Stellaris Slim is a new sub category to our Stellaris laptop series, which is more targeted at style factor and max portability at the cost of less cooling capacity compared to the regular Stellaris 16 and Stellaris 17. Due to its extremely thin design, we originally even considered to launch Stellaris Slim 15 under the brand "InfinityBook Pro 15 - Max Performance". Please let me add a few points to better illustrate the differences between Stellaris Slim and the real successor to Nick's Stellaris 15, our regular Stellaris 16: Although Stellaris Slim can be ordered with the same Core i9-14900HX and RTX 4060 or 4070 like the slightly thicker and heavier Stellaris 16, putting the same hardware in a thinner and lighter chassis logically means thermal compromises in terms of either more fan noise or less performance. Stellaris Slim 15 makes a good cooling job in RELATION to its size, but due to its thin and light design it comes with 8mm fans and 4 heatpipes, whereas Stellaris 16 features 12mm fans and 6 heatpipes. That gives it a few advantages: 1. Stellaris 16 achieves 40 % higher combined CPU and GPU power limits (225 watts vs 160 watts) at full fan speed. 2. It stays 30 % quieter at the same performance. 3. In addition to lower fan noise, Stellaris 16's bigger fans create a lower-pitched noise which usually is perceived more comfortable. 4. Not tested yet, but Stellaris 16 might do a bit longer passively cooled on low load tasks (fans shut off) due to more heatspreader surface. Once the fans have to kick in, thicker fans do not have to spin as fast (= loud) as thinner ones. In the end, both Stellaris Slim 15 and Stellaris 16 are really great premium notebooks for DIFFERENT target groups: Stellaris Slim is more of a stylish and - in relation to its great performance - extremely thin and very light laptop for users who value style factor, sleek design and very high portability higher than cooling/fan acoustics under load. Stellaris 16 is more of a classic yet elegant workstation notebook with better cooling and reasonable portability. IMO it is nearly the best balance of performance, fan noise and portability. Questions? We are happy to help :-) Chris | TUXEDO Computers
When is the Linux foundation/ community going to come up with biometric scanning drivers so that us folk don't need to constantly type in passwords manually. If android devices have Biometric scanning working on mobile devices then what's the hold up?
This is a clone of the Lenovo Legion laptops. Just look at them open side by side. Also, how's the repairability of this laptop. Just because it's a Linux first company doesn't mean they get to slide.
@@adams3173 btw, lenovo also doesn't manufacture their own devices and mostly use off the shelf components. The legions look great though and are kind-of good value for money
About repairability, form what I have seen on their website, they don't offer parts for wear parts such as the battery, the keyboard or the display but as it is a generic chassis (I think it's a Tongfang one as I didn't find it on Clevo's website), you should be able to find replacement parts fairly easily (or not?). Concerning the RAM and the storage, they are user replaceable (2x SODIMM and 2x NVMe).
none of their laptops fit my usecase the framework 16 is big, thick and loud with no built in headphone jack and only 6 ports, and the 13 is too small with a measly 4 ports.
@donkey7921 it does have a headphone jack though just not built in, as you can use that port for anything, including a 3.5 mm jack. I don't actually have that port as a headphone jack on my model; it's actually a USB-A port on my unit.
I hope you review Tuxedo OS 4 when it comes out. It's the most stable KDE experience I've had with any distro. Their quality assurance testing team is great.
@@TheLinuxEXP Not on my Tuxedo Sirius. A lot of Wayland bugs and others, coming from not compatible software (mix of newer and older software). Hoping that the new version will improve it, but currently, old Plasma and old stack of apps is really annoying. On newer versions, all those things are long gone.
Yeah, as somebody who uses a 16 inch model, I can safely say it's better in almost every way, and the one way it's not at the same level isn't really Framework's fault; it's Nvidia's and AMD's.
As much as I'd like to get one, a framework isn't possible to buy here. Then even if I went abroad and brought one back, the machine I'd want clocks in at €2,734. The same (as close as possible) configuration of Stellaris Slim would run me €1,646 ......... Oh, and that's before you add the expansion cards you need, to match the ports on the stellaris 😂
A brand is a promise. In this case, the promise that the newest hardware works on Linux from day one to its very end. How long does a phone get updates? It would've been much better if they shipped CoreBoot though.
Had a Schenker VIA 15 (4th gen Ryzen series) and now gaming with a Minis Forum "Nuc" - both rebranded Clevos. I really like them. And this new model finally seems to have a good keyboard layout for the first time. (Except the ten-keypad, which I dislike on laptops) This might be the first laptop I consider buying new after ... yeah, I never bought a new laptop since the 90s.
@@armandaneshjoo : THIS. A company putting their name on a product means they're willing to stake their reputation on the product being as good as they say it is.
We are astounded by how many people think, every B2B whitelabel laptop is from Clevo. Spoiler: It's not ;-) Joking aside, what we do at TUXEDO is so much more than printing a logo on the lid, laser-etching the keyboard in-house and installing a Linux OS: Our main job lies in optimizing our notebooks as best as possible for a flawless out-of-the-box operation with Linux (primarily Ubuntu-based, such as our in-house maintained and further developed TUXEDO OS). This does not mean that we need to code all drivers "from scratch", but it involves a long list of product evaluation tests (hardware and software) on every new model, documenting and reproducing errors, communicating a lot with the ODMs (again, not Clevo in this case) or component manufacturers (e.g. collaboration with nvidia over months to get Nvidia Dynamic Boost running on Linux), a lot of technical research and reverse engineering hardware functions, adjusting existing drivers or writing new ones to make every TUXEDO as Linux compatible as possible. In addition to that, we also develop software tools inhouse to further improve, simplify and individualize the Linux experience. Best example: TUXEDO Control Center, where we code our own and user-adjustable fan control for every TUXEDO laptop, CPU power limit control, GPU power control, keyboard backlight control, battery charging limits and much more. Or TUXEDO Tomte, a small background tool, that keeps your system up to date, checks for missing drivers or required packages, removes outdated drivers, installs bug fixes relieving users from the hassle of time-consuming troubleshooting and fixing problems on their own. Long story short: Neither TUXEDO Stellaris Slim 15 is made by Clevo nor is this only a rebadged laptop ;-) Trust me: Not at all! If you have further questions, please let us know :-) Chris | TUXEDO Computers
I'm personally looking really forward for the new Slimbook lineup, but I was really impressed with this one! However I think the chassis are made by some big Chinese mega-manufacturer (Tongfang or Clevo, I forget) and I am not a huge fan of the keyboard and non-removable battery
I got the Tuxedo Pulse at the beginning of the year, and it's great overall. But this one seems even better, I hope this type of model is still around once I need to get a new one!
For my next device I want an AMD chip, but it also must have USB-4, at least 1 full-featured on each side. The Ryzen 8xxx series support 2 USB-4 ports, but for some reason no one offers an AMD laptop with USB 4, except Framework.
If you go to Windows laptops, they do, unfortunately, they don't come with Linux preinstalled. That might be the better option unfortunately, as I couldn't find any other laptops that have this either, so I went with Framework.
I have one stipulation in a laptop. It must have a numpad that does not have keys which are not the standard size and spacing as the rest of the keyboard. I'd rather have no keypad than a small one. I don't want to have to use one finger instead of all four when keying numbers. That would require looking at the keyboard.
The decision to have 240hz monitor on a "Laptop" with a rtx4060 is questionable to me. 120hz would have been more than enough, not to mention you would have a better battery as well
Looks like a Tongfang ODM successfully sold by XMG as the Fusion 15 and the Eluktronics Max 15 with their own customised Bios and command centre implementations. Unlike their 16" siblings they don't come with built in water/hydro cooling system. Nevertheless it's a terrific portable chassis for people on the go without per-key RGB backlit keyboard option.
Is the ram soldered in? Is this the case? I would not recommend it to anyone! You should have pointed out whether they are or not. Upgrading and repair are important nowadays to everyone. Linux laptops deserve not just preinstalled Linux software, but quality modern hardware to survive and shine!
Thie the link below the video? It links to the data sheet and in it it states RAM (DDR5 SO-DIMM) and that answers your question it is 2 modules of DDR5 RAM in SO-DIMM slots. Reading for 10 seconds would have you saved you time typing this and me responding to it 🙂
@@DJDocsVideos No, it does not. The question was if the ram is soldered in, IE not upgradable or exchangeable. "in it it states RAM (DDR5 SO-DIMM)" expresses what type it is but not if it can be removed/exchanged for whatever reason the user may have. I believe this information is important when describing a PC/Laptop. I don't want a Framework laptop, but I need to know if I can exchange/upgrade some parts. Furthermore, I think it's important when doing a review to point that out.
Thanks for video, before I watch it, may I ask you to review StarLabs Lite latest generation that is touchscreen tablet and how to use it. Does it have potential to become serious writing (with stylus pen) machine? Edit: good overview, but I think you're biased against plastics (on that note I am at least slightly biased to plastics as I do research in physics of polymers), because some plastics would (like hdpe) outperform magnesium or aluminium in terms of strength and durability. We do hip replacement surgery with polyethylene, that shows how durable this material can be.
Good to see you, Nicolas, back to the job market, giving lessons on a business school. Probably it would be better to get a 14 inch laptop to carry on to the school.
I've got an Intel/Nvidia combo on my laptop. Surprisingly, I've got no issues on OpenSuse / KDE / Wayland. Well, except that I have to cap the frame rate and lower the effects quality in games so the cooling fans don't fly off.
My kingdom for a Linux Pad (4:3) - stylus support. Note taking. Document annotation & management. - 2/4/8TB options. Micro-SD. - LTE support. Built in kickstand.
@AdmiralBison Sadly, the closest thing I found was the Minisforum V3. It's pretty good under Linux (apart from the speakers being stuck to either 100% volume or off) and it has a full-sized SD card slot and a port that can be used to make the tablet an external display. Unfortunately, there's no LTE support but it comes with the keyboard stand in the box. It does have MPP 2.0 support and an AMD Ryzen 7 8845 CPU. That's probably the best you're going to get right now...
I love Tuxedo laptops (owning one), but the webcam and speakers are disappointing, even in newer models. While I don't expect hifi quality, even the cheapest MacBook has a far better camera and speakers, making Zoom calls without headphones much easier. I'd gladly pay extra for better sound and camera quality.
Great review as always! 2 questions: 1) How was your experience with leaving fingerprint marks or smudges, both on the keys and the rest of the laptop (not the screen)? 2) Did you find that while typing, your wrists accidentally activated the touchpad / moved your cursor unintentionally?
I have a Lenovo legion, the shape and design of these two laptops is extremely similar. I found that when resting my hand on wasd (not typing), the touchpad will get activated
I won't touch a laptop since my last one, a MacBook Air, was "assassinated" by a bottle of creme soda which -- opened from well over _six feet away,_ frothed up hard enough, despite not having been shaken, to _headshot_ the laptop's keyboard, thus frying the logic board underneath. That said, I _am_ interested in the Minisforum V3, a convertible laptop/tablet, because its internal are _not_ housed under the keyboard, meaning they're better protected against events like that. Plus, odds are very good that since it runs Windows, it _should_ (in theory) run Linux. Which, by the time I can afford the machine, will certainly be Fedora 41 and possibly even Fedora 42.
Not really sure why I'm watching this, I don't use laptops (or rather I haven't since I had an old Toshiba in the 90s). I don't feel the need to use a computer when I'm away from home. I don't like small keyboards or touchpads or thinking about battery life. I must just like this channel...
Nick, everybody (almost) uses these with an external monitor and keyboard/mouse. Then it's lovely, probably - my own is a Tuxedo "InfinityBook S Gen8" according to fastfetch. Works just wonderfully, and I have *one* USB-C from my old HP G5 Hub to the laptop which gives it screens, power, network, sound, keyboard, mouse, etm, because it does the Thunderbolt thing. Basically, they make good stuff, for whatever your budget might be, but get the spec you need. (I am NOT paid by these people, I just like the laptop!)
A constructive criticism (my opinion): There are way too many cameras shot changes when you show the laptop's body. And the sound effects are bad (out dated may be the correct term). And you may want to stabilize the camera/video.
Well I own one. If you take the amd one the usbc port good luck using the dock station with 2 pcs, I had kernel freezes. Luckily I can use video ports directly. Another things that bug is their cpu variable control that once disabled was not freezing the pc anymore. Now I can finally enjoy it but tuxedo should up his game at the prices they are charging
Exactly. They seem to be focused too much on the software and not the hardware. Hence why I went with Framework; they're the only one that makes good hardware and supports Linux well.
I'm experiencing the same random freezes on my laptop. What did you do to fix it? I'm pretty new to Linux, so I didn't get any results when searching for "cpu variable control" (at least not any that I understand😅)
I like the overall design of the tuxedo laptops, especially the Infinity book. But this year I was sort of let down. On some models they include the numpad keyboard only and there's no option without. The battery wasn't 99Wh on all models, etc. I think I'll just wait and see if the ARM version is going to look more appealing, otherwise I'll just end up gettimg a normal slimbook and install linux on it.
My next "laptop": Linux running on a vm through kvm on the pixel 9. If needed, I can get a laptop shell or, what I'm going to do, hook it up to AR glasses through usb C I'm just waiting for the android 15 reviews now, hoping that the graphical acceleration virtualization support is good enough. If I need more power to, say, play games, I'll connect to my main computer through steam link. Can you imagine, actually being able to carry you computer in your pocket, bonkers.
yeah, it was rough a year ago. But i have been using my 4090 for the last year with linux and its only gotten better over the year. I have basically none of the problems from a year ago. 5:30
Oh wow! That was a major pain point for me starting Linux last year. It was so bad it got me to get an amd card lol. Maybe ill start recomending linux to my nvidia friends again
@@joshplaysdrums2143 been on nvidia since 2021 and never experienced an issue that wasn't because of my laziness or ignorance. I'd say Linux is Nvidia ready at this point
Love Tuxedo OS. Currently the best integration of KDE and the Tuxedo Control center with power profilers works great currently running version 4 preview. seems quite stable only problem is the sound cars get messed up on fresh start up, I have to turn the sound cards off and then back on for sound to run perfect.
Similar layout to the Lenovo Legions. I do wish they would have gone with the AMD video, but I get it. I currently use Nvidia as I need CUDA for my work.
That's when I'd consider Tuxedo. Other than that I have a MacBook M10 and am happy. Only proper Linux on hardware, that can last for a work day, would make that better.
These new Intel Lunar Lake chips have soured me on ARM. If x86 can almost match it in efficiency while having none of the drawbacks of a new architecture then why would I want a laptop with an ARM chip?
@theviniso Not to mention that Linux support for these Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite SoCs still is well behind Lunar Lake, which Intel and the Linux kernel developers still haven't had enough time to optimize the GPUs on Lunar Lake. But at least Linux support for these Lunar Lake APUs should be much easier than the Snapdragon X Elite SoCs and, of course, with little to no compatability issues with x86 applications.
I expect it to be. I have Tuxedo Sirius, with similar aluminum case, very slim, gaming laptop. By default, CPU has spikes which heat up the board and the fans hit. They are very loud and annoying. However, limiting CPU core speeds in Tuxedo Control Center fixed it. I don't feel any less performance, but fans are quiet all the time, aside gaming of course. The small case always means very hard fans. There is no way around it. So when I play the game, I have to wear headphones, otherwise the fans are louder than a game on 100% volume... There are always tradeoffs with slim laptops.
OLED might not be coming for a while because of burn-in concerns and likely price. And it seems like they have an issue with a "screen-door" effect. Maybe Mini-LED though?
Just wish they had a high end 2 in 1, the infinityflex is pretty underpowered and has a small battery. Seems like Lenovo is the only player in that space.
HOW did you get 7 hours on battery? With my Stellaris Slim I don't get 5 full hours even on minimal consumption on *integrated GPU*. (Support knows though).
Really enjoyed this video! You’ve explained the upcoming event in the crypto world really well. There's more info in my bio for those interested in this topic. Waiting eagerly for your next analysis!
I have a tuxedo 16 something, don't really care about what. I know it is 16 inches. Running it for a few years now. No complaints, works like a charm, perfect for traveling, amazing screen. Costed me 1700$ but it is a good laptop for linux. The worst thing about this laptop is ubuntu, but whatever.
Why hope your laptop breaks? Just give it away to any unlucky viewer... And let it break on them... Just don't offer it to me. Let someone else have your problems
8 Giga ram on graphic card is bad, so if you play games like Hogwarts Legacy enjoy loading textures. But on topic of NVIDIA drivers you spoke truth, even old NVIDIA 1070 works well for me under Linux.
How about actually shipping with an ANSI keyboard option? Either way, isn't this just a Tongfang chassis also used by XMG and Eluktronics in the U.S.? Why bother with Tuxedo if you need a different keyboard layout and aren't in Europe?
quite disappointed with my new Tuxedo InfinityBook Pro 14 AMD, sub par quality (my mouse jumps in all directions when typing on it and doesn't work that well), my charging anxiety is back even when the battery is 20 Wh more than my previous Lenovo. It drains a lot faster and charges a lot slower and becomes hot to the touch when gaming a bit on it or charging it. I had some more gripes with it but can't remember them atm, but at least I can say it makes me miss my old Lenovo yoga slim laptop.
too heavy for me, keyboard needs dedicated home,end,pgup etc, get rid of the dgpu, privacy shutter for the webcam. Just what I would need for it to be interesting to me.
Mmmm, lubed video playback…nice! With that out of the way, how personal is the choice of laptop actually (for most/many) people? In many cases you have a laptop mostly for work. And usually the workplaces provide the IT devices to the employees with only limited rights to choose for themselves, unfortunately.
Hello! Interesting video as always. I got one question. Nobody in TH-cam has been reviewed Tuxedo InfinityFlex, but it is now the most interesting laptop/tablet from Tuxedo. Cold You ask them for it for review? Have a nice day Linux People!
I wish they'd give it another name. Stellaris sounds like the company failing to deliver parts to US auto manufacturers. This laptop is cool tho! I want a Framework, myself.
@@danieldillbeck6437 there are actually a few aftermarket fingerprint readers out there that work through USB-A and C and offer Linux support. But it's not as snazzy as having them built-in.
@@danieldillbeck6437 I know Nick said so in an earlier video, but I read first-hand evidence on r/KDE that it exists& even works for some people - but only in Windows-first devices. The question is, why don't Linux manus go ahead and make this already? Linux smartphones have them, why not laptops?
Tbh if I'm over-paying for a supported hardware, unless they also start doing the similar with custom cases, I'd just wait for the next gen amd framework. Otherwise this really doesn't make up to the import fees and all, if I'll get a glued block of a laptop I'd go with much cheaper local options, eh just me ┐( ˘_˘)┌ Good luck to all foss vendors though.
This weird keyboard layout should be a surcharge for hardcore spreadsheet users, it's just annoying for typing. (Not specific to this laptop, a lot 15"+ machines do this.)
Was hoping this came with one of Intel's new Core Series 200 Lunar Lake CPUs for those awesome power efficiency gains. Maybe next time :-/ Also, i hope there's a variant that doesn't include a numpad. The keyboard on this device wouldn't work for me.
Thanks to Nick for reviewing our Stellaris Slim 15. We would like to make a small but important correction on timestamp 0:12 to 0:24 to avoid misunderstandings:
TUXEDO Stellaris Slim 15 is NOT the successor to Nick's Stellaris 15 from 2021, because this one was focussed on max performance (available with up to RTX 3080) and better cooling. Stellaris Slim is a new sub category to our Stellaris laptop series, which is more targeted at style factor and max portability at the cost of less cooling capacity compared to the regular Stellaris 16 and Stellaris 17. Due to its extremely thin design, we originally even considered to launch Stellaris Slim 15 under the brand "InfinityBook Pro 15 - Max Performance".
Please let me add a few points to better illustrate the differences between Stellaris Slim and the real successor to Nick's Stellaris 15, our regular Stellaris 16:
Although Stellaris Slim can be ordered with the same Core i9-14900HX and RTX 4060 or 4070 like the slightly thicker and heavier Stellaris 16, putting the same hardware in a thinner and lighter chassis logically means thermal compromises in terms of either more fan noise or less performance.
Stellaris Slim 15 makes a good cooling job in RELATION to its size, but due to its thin and light design it comes with 8mm fans and 4 heatpipes, whereas Stellaris 16 features 12mm fans and 6 heatpipes. That gives it a few advantages:
1. Stellaris 16 achieves 40 % higher combined CPU and GPU power limits (225 watts vs 160 watts) at full fan speed.
2. It stays 30 % quieter at the same performance.
3. In addition to lower fan noise, Stellaris 16's bigger fans create a lower-pitched noise which usually is perceived more comfortable.
4. Not tested yet, but Stellaris 16 might do a bit longer passively cooled on low load tasks (fans shut off) due to more heatspreader surface. Once the fans have to kick in, thicker fans do not have to spin as fast (= loud) as thinner ones.
In the end, both Stellaris Slim 15 and Stellaris 16 are really great premium notebooks for DIFFERENT target groups:
Stellaris Slim is more of a stylish and - in relation to its great performance - extremely thin and very light laptop for users who value style factor, sleek design and very high portability higher than cooling/fan acoustics under load.
Stellaris 16 is more of a classic yet elegant workstation notebook with better cooling and reasonable portability. IMO it is nearly the best balance of performance, fan noise and portability.
Questions? We are happy to help :-)
Chris | TUXEDO Computers
Just got this machine from you guys a week ago - love it best laptop I've ever owned
Hmm, no replaceable battery, memory, storage? - > No Buy. It's time to avoid producing unnecessary future e-waste.
When is the Linux foundation/ community going to come up with biometric scanning drivers so that us folk don't need to constantly type in passwords manually. If android devices have Biometric scanning working on mobile devices then what's the hold up?
@@LarixusSnydes Everything is replaceable , what do you mean ?
@@MichelMemeteau This is least true for storage now at days for laptops, including my laptop.
This is a clone of the Lenovo Legion laptops. Just look at them open side by side. Also, how's the repairability of this laptop. Just because it's a Linux first company doesn't mean they get to slide.
Now that I look at my legion, the lack of differences is really funny
It's from clevo, they took it and added the logo of tuexdo
Even with LOQ series.
@@adams3173 btw, lenovo also doesn't manufacture their own devices and mostly use off the shelf components.
The legions look great though and are kind-of good value for money
About repairability, form what I have seen on their website, they don't offer parts for wear parts such as the battery, the keyboard or the display but as it is a generic chassis (I think it's a Tongfang one as I didn't find it on Clevo's website), you should be able to find replacement parts fairly easily (or not?).
Concerning the RAM and the storage, they are user replaceable (2x SODIMM and 2x NVMe).
Framework is the best laptop currently. Having everything repairable and replaceable plus their support with linux.
Exactly why I went with them. No other brand fit my needs.
liking my framework 16. :D
none of their laptops fit my usecase the framework 16 is big, thick and loud with no built in headphone jack and only 6 ports, and the 13 is too small with a measly 4 ports.
I'd love a Framework but they cost too much.
@donkey7921 it does have a headphone jack though just not built in, as you can use that port for anything, including a 3.5 mm jack. I don't actually have that port as a headphone jack on my model; it's actually a USB-A port on my unit.
I hope you review Tuxedo OS 4 when it comes out. It's the most stable KDE experience I've had with any distro. Their quality assurance testing team is great.
Yeah, I’ve been using Tuxedo OS for a while now, and it’s rock solid!
@@TheLinuxEXP Not on my Tuxedo Sirius. A lot of Wayland bugs and others, coming from not compatible software (mix of newer and older software). Hoping that the new version will improve it, but currently, old Plasma and old stack of apps is really annoying. On newer versions, all those things are long gone.
The framework laptop seems better to me. The tuxedo laptop focusses on aesthetics than practicality just like most other laptops
Yeah, as somebody who uses a 16 inch model, I can safely say it's better in almost every way, and the one way it's not at the same level isn't really Framework's fault; it's Nvidia's and AMD's.
As much as I'd like to get one, a framework isn't possible to buy here.
Then even if I went abroad and brought one back, the machine I'd want clocks in at €2,734. The same (as close as possible) configuration of Stellaris Slim would run me €1,646 .........
Oh, and that's before you add the expansion cards you need, to match the ports on the stellaris 😂
framework is much more expensive
@@-mwolf depends on what specs you choose. If price is a concern to you go with a refurbished model
@@-mwolf Not actually by that much, especially if you're in the U.S. because of shipping and import fees.
I'm astounded by how much hype these rebadged Clevo laptops generate in certain quarters.
in the end everything is a rebranded foxconn device,
doesn't mean they are all the same
A brand is a promise. In this case, the promise that the newest hardware works on Linux from day one to its very end. How long does a phone get updates? It would've been much better if they shipped CoreBoot though.
Had a Schenker VIA 15 (4th gen Ryzen series) and now gaming with a Minis Forum "Nuc" - both rebranded Clevos. I really like them. And this new model finally seems to have a good keyboard layout for the first time. (Except the ten-keypad, which I dislike on laptops) This might be the first laptop I consider buying new after ... yeah, I never bought a new laptop since the 90s.
@@armandaneshjoo : THIS. A company putting their name on a product means they're willing to stake their reputation on the product being as good as they say it is.
We are astounded by how many people think, every B2B whitelabel laptop is from Clevo. Spoiler: It's not ;-)
Joking aside, what we do at TUXEDO is so much more than printing a logo on the lid, laser-etching the keyboard in-house and installing a Linux OS: Our main job lies in optimizing our notebooks as best as possible for a flawless out-of-the-box operation with Linux (primarily Ubuntu-based, such as our in-house maintained and further developed TUXEDO OS).
This does not mean that we need to code all drivers "from scratch", but it involves a long list of product evaluation tests (hardware and software) on every new model, documenting and reproducing errors, communicating a lot with the ODMs (again, not Clevo in this case) or component manufacturers (e.g. collaboration with nvidia over months to get Nvidia Dynamic Boost running on Linux), a lot of technical research and reverse engineering hardware functions, adjusting existing drivers or writing new ones to make every TUXEDO as Linux compatible as possible.
In addition to that, we also develop software tools inhouse to further improve, simplify and individualize the Linux experience. Best example: TUXEDO Control Center, where we code our own and user-adjustable fan control for every TUXEDO laptop, CPU power limit control, GPU power control, keyboard backlight control, battery charging limits and much more. Or TUXEDO Tomte, a small background tool, that keeps your system up to date, checks for missing drivers or required packages, removes outdated drivers, installs bug fixes relieving users from the hassle of time-consuming troubleshooting and fixing problems on their own.
Long story short: Neither TUXEDO Stellaris Slim 15 is made by Clevo nor is this only a rebadged laptop ;-) Trust me: Not at all!
If you have further questions, please let us know :-)
Chris | TUXEDO Computers
I have a Stellaris for some years now. Best laptop I've ever gotten! :)
Yeah, I love my 15 inch Stellaris as well!
Thanks for the review! :)
Slowly I'm getting used to the new setup, though I kinda miss the old one. Keep it up buddy! Luv ya!
Non removable battery, no trackpoint, no trackpad buttons. I'll keep my thinkpad until they learn - but thanks for the OS.
I'm sure at least the price is high.
And some aren't looking for that in a laptop..!
The battery is the only one _I_ feel really strongly about.
Most people don't care about those nowadays
Good, I don't want to see trackpoint nor trackpad buttons on my laptop in 2024
Hey Nick, Slimbook just announced a pretty compelling laptop. You should try to ask them for a review sample!
my next laptop will be the ARM version of Tuxedo, can't wait for it..
I just recommended this laptop to a friend after looking for a good laptop, didn't even realize it was kinda new.
Why do so many manufacturers shift the trackpad to the left? Why!
To center it with the keyboard.
I think they expect you just to look at them and not use them.
@@Daimo83 it's a trackpad, so probably for the better.
As a, mostly, left handed person. I appreciate the gesture.
Because of the number pad and to center it with the space bar.
If you really want to center it with the chassis, buy a Framework Laptop.
I'm personally looking really forward for the new Slimbook lineup, but I was really impressed with this one! However I think the chassis are made by some big Chinese mega-manufacturer (Tongfang or Clevo, I forget) and I am not a huge fan of the keyboard and non-removable battery
@altrogeruvah afaik both Tongfang and Clevo are Taiwanese.
@@cameronbosch1213 My bad: Tongfang is based in Beijing, but Clevo is based in Taiwan
I got the Tuxedo Pulse at the beginning of the year, and it's great overall. But this one seems even better, I hope this type of model is still around once I need to get a new one!
I'm actually in a bit of shock as to how good this is, or has become over time. Really cool and great video. Thank you!
Nice review. I think your style is perfect for eas assimilation of the information you pass on.
For my next device I want an AMD chip, but it also must have USB-4, at least 1 full-featured on each side. The Ryzen 8xxx series support 2 USB-4 ports, but for some reason no one offers an AMD laptop with USB 4, except Framework.
If you go to Windows laptops, they do, unfortunately, they don't come with Linux preinstalled.
That might be the better option unfortunately, as I couldn't find any other laptops that have this either, so I went with Framework.
Tuxedo sirius has one usb 4.
Slimbook Evo 14 (also a fresh release) has Ryzen 8xxx and USB-4.
I have one stipulation in a laptop. It must have a numpad that does not have keys which are not the standard size and spacing as the rest of the keyboard. I'd rather have no keypad than a small one. I don't want to have to use one finger instead of all four when keying numbers. That would require looking at the keyboard.
The decision to have 240hz monitor on a "Laptop" with a rtx4060 is questionable to me.
120hz would have been more than enough, not to mention you would have a better battery as well
As long there 120hz option it's fine
almost nobody uses these laptops unplugged anyways, even less with linux
120HZ LTPO would be more compelling to me.
@@riufq so you're gonna switch to 120hz but you still paid for 240hz
@@nikoraasu6929 yeah, it's better why?
You play competitive game and triple A at the same time.
Looks like a Tongfang ODM successfully sold by XMG as the Fusion 15 and the Eluktronics Max 15 with their own customised Bios and command centre implementations. Unlike their 16" siblings they don't come with built in water/hydro cooling system. Nevertheless it's a terrific portable chassis for people on the go without per-key RGB backlit keyboard option.
Battery life is the deal breaker. 7~8 hours on a 99Wh battery is not good, even for x86 standards
Thanks for the clarification 6:28
Looking VERY nice! My list for buying: This with OLED/Mini-LED display, centered keyboard, good speakers.
Is the ram soldered in? Is this the case? I would not recommend it to anyone! You should have pointed out whether they are or not. Upgrading and repair are important nowadays to everyone. Linux laptops deserve not just preinstalled Linux software, but quality modern hardware to survive and shine!
Thie the link below the video? It links to the data sheet and in it it states RAM (DDR5 SO-DIMM) and that answers your question it is 2 modules of DDR5 RAM in SO-DIMM slots.
Reading for 10 seconds would have you saved you time typing this and me responding to it 🙂
@@DJDocsVideos No, it does not. The question was if the ram is soldered in, IE not upgradable or exchangeable. "in it it states RAM (DDR5 SO-DIMM)" expresses what type it is but not if it can be removed/exchanged for whatever reason the user may have. I believe this information is important when describing a PC/Laptop. I don't want a Framework laptop, but I need to know if I can exchange/upgrade some parts. Furthermore, I think it's important when doing a review to point that out.
Good amount of ports.
Thanks for video, before I watch it, may I ask you to review StarLabs Lite latest generation that is touchscreen tablet and how to use it. Does it have potential to become serious writing (with stylus pen) machine?
Edit: good overview, but I think you're biased against plastics (on that note I am at least slightly biased to plastics as I do research in physics of polymers), because some plastics would (like hdpe) outperform magnesium or aluminium in terms of strength and durability. We do hip replacement surgery with polyethylene, that shows how durable this material can be.
Good to see you, Nicolas, back to the job market, giving lessons on a business school. Probably it would be better to get a 14 inch laptop to carry on to the school.
I've got an Intel/Nvidia combo on my laptop. Surprisingly, I've got no issues on OpenSuse / KDE / Wayland. Well, except that I have to cap the frame rate and lower the effects quality in games so the cooling fans don't fly off.
Thanks Nick.
My kingdom for a Linux Pad (4:3)
- stylus support. Note taking. Document annotation & management.
- 2/4/8TB options. Micro-SD.
- LTE support. Built in kickstand.
@AdmiralBison Sadly, the closest thing I found was the Minisforum V3. It's pretty good under Linux (apart from the speakers being stuck to either 100% volume or off) and it has a full-sized SD card slot and a port that can be used to make the tablet an external display. Unfortunately, there's no LTE support but it comes with the keyboard stand in the box. It does have MPP 2.0 support and an AMD Ryzen 7 8845 CPU.
That's probably the best you're going to get right now...
I love Tuxedo laptops (owning one), but the webcam and speakers are disappointing, even in newer models. While I don't expect hifi quality, even the cheapest MacBook has a far better camera and speakers, making Zoom calls without headphones much easier. I'd gladly pay extra for better sound and camera quality.
And the lack of keyboard options apart from ISO.
I'm love this keyboard layout. It's sad that i can't buy Tuxedo computers here in Russia.
Pretty sweet laptop. It'll be on my list for consideration.
Great review as always! 2 questions: 1) How was your experience with leaving fingerprint marks or smudges, both on the keys and the rest of the laptop (not the screen)? 2) Did you find that while typing, your wrists accidentally activated the touchpad / moved your cursor unintentionally?
I have a Lenovo legion, the shape and design of these two laptops is extremely similar. I found that when resting my hand on wasd (not typing), the touchpad will get activated
I won't touch a laptop since my last one, a MacBook Air, was "assassinated" by a bottle of creme soda which -- opened from well over _six feet away,_ frothed up hard enough, despite not having been shaken, to _headshot_ the laptop's keyboard, thus frying the logic board underneath.
That said, I _am_ interested in the Minisforum V3, a convertible laptop/tablet, because its internal are _not_ housed under the keyboard, meaning they're better protected against events like that. Plus, odds are very good that since it runs Windows, it _should_ (in theory) run Linux. Which, by the time I can afford the machine, will certainly be Fedora 41 and possibly even Fedora 42.
Not really sure why I'm watching this, I don't use laptops (or rather I haven't since I had an old Toshiba in the 90s). I don't feel the need to use a computer when I'm away from home. I don't like small keyboards or touchpads or thinking about battery life. I must just like this channel...
Nick, everybody (almost) uses these with an external monitor and keyboard/mouse. Then it's lovely, probably - my own is a Tuxedo "InfinityBook S Gen8" according to fastfetch. Works just wonderfully, and I have *one* USB-C from my old HP G5 Hub to the laptop which gives it screens, power, network, sound, keyboard, mouse, etm, because it does the Thunderbolt thing.
Basically, they make good stuff, for whatever your budget might be, but get the spec you need. (I am NOT paid by these people, I just like the laptop!)
I don't understand why they included numpad. Who needs it on slim laptops?
I honestly love having a numpad on laptops, so I'm pretty happy with the inclusion!
8:45 Barrel Jack Charger? Why not typ C? Or dual charging?
The back USB-C supports charging. I find it ridiculous that there are non-charging USB-C ports at all, but at least you have 1
@@weltsiebenhundert probably because it's too much power to supply over USB-C PD 3.1 when the dGPU is in use.
@@cameronbosch1213 Smartphone: 100 Watt Charger
This is not a Gaming Laptop with TWO 75 Watt Charger.
@@guss77 thx.
So Charging & Monitor Port in 1 Typ C.
@@weltsiebenhundert It is though.
A constructive criticism (my opinion): There are way too many cameras shot changes when you show the laptop's body. And the sound effects are bad (out dated may be the correct term). And you may want to stabilize the camera/video.
My next laptop will definetely be framework.
Well I own one.
If you take the amd one the usbc port good luck using the dock station with 2 pcs, I had kernel freezes. Luckily I can use video ports directly. Another things that bug is their cpu variable control that once disabled was not freezing the pc anymore. Now I can finally enjoy it but tuxedo should up his game at the prices they are charging
Exactly. They seem to be focused too much on the software and not the hardware. Hence why I went with Framework; they're the only one that makes good hardware and supports Linux well.
I'm experiencing the same random freezes on my laptop. What did you do to fix it? I'm pretty new to Linux, so I didn't get any results when searching for "cpu variable control" (at least not any that I understand😅)
Hey how did you get rid of the fps bug related to gnome running on Wayland with Nvidia?
Forcing the keypad will always be a no go for me. They are nearly unusable and forces the touchpad to be off center.
is this spillproof tho
I like the overall design of the tuxedo laptops, especially the Infinity book. But this year I was sort of let down.
On some models they include the numpad keyboard only and there's no option without. The battery wasn't 99Wh on all models, etc.
I think I'll just wait and see if the ARM version is going to look more appealing, otherwise I'll just end up gettimg a normal slimbook and install linux on it.
My next "laptop": Linux running on a vm through kvm on the pixel 9.
If needed, I can get a laptop shell or, what I'm going to do, hook it up to AR glasses through usb C
I'm just waiting for the android 15 reviews now, hoping that the graphical acceleration virtualization support is good enough.
If I need more power to, say, play games, I'll connect to my main computer through steam link.
Can you imagine, actually being able to carry you computer in your pocket, bonkers.
We don't need to imagine. We've had UMPC's since 1996.
@@ZanaGBYT true, except those as small as the pixel probably don't have amazing battery or as much power as a raspberry pi 4
yeah, it was rough a year ago. But i have been using my 4090 for the last year with linux and its only gotten better over the year. I have basically none of the problems from a year ago. 5:30
Oh wow! That was a major pain point for me starting Linux last year. It was so bad it got me to get an amd card lol. Maybe ill start recomending linux to my nvidia friends again
@@joshplaysdrums2143 been on nvidia since 2021 and never experienced an issue that wasn't because of my laziness or ignorance. I'd say Linux is Nvidia ready at this point
Love Tuxedo OS.
Currently the best integration of KDE and the Tuxedo Control center with power profilers works great
currently running version 4 preview. seems quite stable
only problem is the sound cars get messed up on fresh start up, I have to turn the sound cards off and then back on for sound to run perfect.
Similar layout to the Lenovo Legions. I do wish they would have gone with the AMD video, but I get it. I currently use Nvidia as I need CUDA for my work.
Hmm, can I have a bare titanium shell, I love that look.
Linux laptop with Snapdragon X elite, when???
Drivers are not okay yet, unfortunately
Snapdragon X Elite lacks the neccesary drivers in the kernel. I'd say wait until probably 2026 for good support.
That's when I'd consider Tuxedo. Other than that I have a MacBook M10 and am happy. Only proper Linux on hardware, that can last for a work day, would make that better.
These new Intel Lunar Lake chips have soured me on ARM. If x86 can almost match it in efficiency while having none of the drawbacks of a new architecture then why would I want a laptop with an ARM chip?
@theviniso Not to mention that Linux support for these Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite SoCs still is well behind Lunar Lake, which Intel and the Linux kernel developers still haven't had enough time to optimize the GPUs on Lunar Lake. But at least Linux support for these Lunar Lake APUs should be much easier than the Snapdragon X Elite SoCs and, of course, with little to no compatability issues with x86 applications.
The one thing I wish they would change in all there laptops would be the keyboard. Give me Cherry MX low or ultra low keys. Thank you.
Can you review the tuxedo Infinity series?
Just installed Ubuntu on my Yoga Snapdragon XE in a dual boot config with Windows - a really nice upgrade.
Much, much better lighting!!!
Is there fan noise with light usage? 120/144 Hz support?
I expect it to be. I have Tuxedo Sirius, with similar aluminum case, very slim, gaming laptop. By default, CPU has spikes which heat up the board and the fans hit. They are very loud and annoying. However, limiting CPU core speeds in Tuxedo Control Center fixed it. I don't feel any less performance, but fans are quiet all the time, aside gaming of course. The small case always means very hard fans. There is no way around it. So when I play the game, I have to wear headphones, otherwise the fans are louder than a game on 100% volume... There are always tradeoffs with slim laptops.
Looks really good 😲
They would have my business if they offered a 15" laptop WITHOUT a number pad and the spacebar and trackpad centered.
I hope Tuxedo can update their notebooks with new Strix Point processors and a oled screen, it would be fantastic
OLED might not be coming for a while because of burn-in concerns and likely price. And it seems like they have an issue with a "screen-door" effect. Maybe Mini-LED though?
@@cameronbosch1213 any improvement is always welcome
@@cameronbosch1213 mini-LED is a waste of power
I'm one of the few thar prefers no numpad at all. For a compact laptop is better to have a 75% layout, in my opinion.
Just wish they had a high end 2 in 1, the infinityflex is pretty underpowered and has a small battery. Seems like Lenovo is the only player in that space.
does it thermal throttle after a while of gaming?
Does connecting 1440p or greater via usb type c have 60fps or higher?
HOW did you get 7 hours on battery? With my Stellaris Slim I don't get 5 full hours even on minimal consumption on *integrated GPU*. (Support knows though).
What happened to FydeTab Duo and FydeOS? Did they go broke? We need your update Nick. 😭😭
Really enjoyed this video! You’ve explained the upcoming event in the crypto world really well. There's more info in my bio for those interested in this topic. Waiting eagerly for your next analysis!
I have a tuxedo 16 something, don't really care about what. I know it is 16 inches. Running it for a few years now. No complaints, works like a charm, perfect for traveling, amazing screen. Costed me 1700$ but it is a good laptop for linux.
The worst thing about this laptop is ubuntu, but whatever.
You can speed up that procres by giving it to me ;)
Why hope your laptop breaks? Just give it away to any unlucky viewer... And let it break on them... Just don't offer it to me. Let someone else have your problems
Really interesting.
Which country they are in? I was at Tuxedo website and there is no contact us page.
They are based in Germany.
8 Giga ram on graphic card is bad, so if you play games like Hogwarts Legacy enjoy loading textures. But on topic of NVIDIA drivers you spoke truth, even old NVIDIA 1070 works well for me under Linux.
Don't play the transphobe enabler wizzard child game. Problem fixed.
How about actually shipping with an ANSI keyboard option? Either way, isn't this just a Tongfang chassis also used by XMG and Eluktronics in the U.S.? Why bother with Tuxedo if you need a different keyboard layout and aren't in Europe?
Looks like a Clevo Vega X15 which is not currently available direct. Tuxedo uses Clevo as their ODM, which is Taiwanese, not Tongfang which is china.
@chriskasprzyk6235 Some of their laptops are Tongfang though.
Why not get a Framework for that amount of money?
Framework is bigger, heavier, and louder.
@@deusexaethera But is infinitely more repairable with a working fingerprint sensor. And it's not terribly bigger than a gaming laptop.
quite disappointed with my new Tuxedo InfinityBook Pro 14 AMD, sub par quality (my mouse jumps in all directions when typing on it and doesn't work that well), my charging anxiety is back even when the battery is 20 Wh more than my previous Lenovo.
It drains a lot faster and charges a lot slower and becomes hot to the touch when gaming a bit on it or charging it.
I had some more gripes with it but can't remember them atm, but at least I can say it makes me miss my old Lenovo yoga slim laptop.
I had a Tuxedo laptop and was burned by the failed battery. It was just out of warranty.. Seems happened to many of the fellow Pulse 15 owners.
not going for the Snapdraggon X Elite?
It as an early adopter, no. I’ll wait to see how FEX allows things to run :)
Good luck with the Qualcomm GPU...
Trackpad with dive mechanism in 2024 is a letdown. Especially for a 2k laptop.
also how about memory , disk etc? are they soldered or removable?
@@John7No they're both replaceable. Thank goodness.
Is reading the linked data sheet such a hard task?
@@DJDocsVideos yes. I f I go reading every 10 or 20 page manual for every item then I won't do anything else .
too heavy for me, keyboard needs dedicated home,end,pgup etc, get rid of the dgpu, privacy shutter for the webcam.
Just what I would need for it to be interesting to me.
How about base arch linux on it... 🤔
Isn't the "infinitybook Pro 16" 1.6kg?
Mmmm, lubed video playback…nice!
With that out of the way, how personal is the choice of laptop actually (for most/many) people? In many cases you have a laptop mostly for work. And usually the workplaces provide the IT devices to the employees with only limited rights to choose for themselves, unfortunately.
Hello! Interesting video as always. I got one question. Nobody in TH-cam has been reviewed Tuxedo InfinityFlex, but it is now the most interesting laptop/tablet from Tuxedo. Cold You ask them for it for review? Have a nice day Linux People!
I wish they'd give it another name. Stellaris sounds like the company failing to deliver parts to US auto manufacturers.
This laptop is cool tho!
I want a Framework, myself.
Why brands that are "All for Linux" use nVIDIA?
Would have been my next laptop if it wasnt for the numpad. :(
Still no fingerprint reader?? Noooo!!! Pliiss OEMs, what are you waiting for?
Framework might be the only option in that regard. :/
Fingerprint reader support in linux isn't really a thing
@@danieldillbeck6437 Untrue, there's fprintd, which is also built into GNOME 3.38 & later and KDE Plasma 6 & later.
@@danieldillbeck6437 there are actually a few aftermarket fingerprint readers out there that work through USB-A and C and offer Linux support. But it's not as snazzy as having them built-in.
@@danieldillbeck6437 I know Nick said so in an earlier video, but I read first-hand evidence on r/KDE that it exists& even works for some people - but only in Windows-first devices. The question is, why don't Linux manus go ahead and make this already? Linux smartphones have them, why not laptops?
RTX 2000 series also works perfectly, just wanted to note that. It's the GTX that works like rubbish.
Tbh if I'm over-paying for a supported hardware, unless they also start doing the similar with custom cases, I'd just wait for the next gen amd framework.
Otherwise this really doesn't make up to the import fees and all, if I'll get a glued block of a laptop I'd go with much cheaper local options, eh just me ┐( ˘_˘)┌ Good luck to all foss vendors though.
What's up with space bar 0:03
No going back for me after using ThinkPad X1 Nano for a while :-)
This weird keyboard layout should be a surcharge for hardcore spreadsheet users, it's just annoying for typing. (Not specific to this laptop, a lot 15"+ machines do this.)
I guess you have to shell out a 10er for a keyboard ...
@@DJDocsVideos To carry a computer with a built-in keyboard AND an external keyboard? 😂
Send yours my way when it breaks.
Was hoping this came with one of Intel's new Core Series 200 Lunar Lake CPUs for those awesome power efficiency gains. Maybe next time :-/
Also, i hope there's a variant that doesn't include a numpad. The keyboard on this device wouldn't work for me.
That's not meant for powerful laptops like gaming laptops or workstations. That you'll need to wait for Arrow Lake for.
if only it had a mouse nub like a thinkpad. probably going to get it regardless.
Watched on my X201 laptop.
No trackpoint :(
Thank goodness :D
@@TheLinuxEXPI love the trackpoint, but I can live without one.
Nvidia GPU is a deal breaker ;-;
Nah it works well now
@@TheLinuxEXP Even on Wayland?!