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Let's be fair, Doofenshmirtz has always been a tangle of continuity. He probably hit himself with a continuityinator to break his backstory up so badly that his creditors couldn't find him.
@@Retro_Red Maybe it had to do with that inator he built in She’s The Mayor, he built it to fast forward his golf game with Roger, but then he accidentally reversed the entire episode from happening and changed the timeline, maybe that’s why all of these in inconsistencies exist in Phineas & Ferb, like maybe it also had a ripple effect on the rest of the timeline
To be fair to Dan and Swampy, it seems like by their own admission they don’t think about this kind of stuff. Dan even openly admitted he never stopped to think about how Candace loving Grilled Cheese contradicts her being allergic to dairy.
They're typically pretty good with keeping their continuity in check, even when doing time travel stuff. And to be fair, the Candace Grilled Cheese incident was an innocent mistake that everyone had a laugh about. It didn't throw the entire PnF universe continuity into a black hole.
Yeah, it doesn't really seem like continuity was all that important in PnF, anyways. Stuff like the technology was already retconned over the course of the show with Candace's flip phone literally turning into a smartphone in later seasons, and Doof relapsing in the Christmas special was obviously something they were stuck with since there's no way they had him moving on from evil planned when they wrote that episode. But I get that it probably becomes a bit more noticeable once it gets connected to a show that cares more about continuity.
I mean, milk is a popular drink and candy flavour in China despite most people being lactose intolerant there. So it's not absurd to say Candace loves grilled cheese despite her lactose intolerance.
I'm pretty sure that when Doof says "I have no idea where that's from", he's talking about the jingle playing in-universe, not the jingle itself. He wrote it, but he doesn't understand how it keeps playing in all the places that it does.
In terms of Phineas saying they have no frame of reference for things going wrong. I’ve always interpreted that line as him saying they haven’t experienced defeat. Because while the boys have come across adversity numerous times they always quickly find a solution and have never actually failed at something (or at least very rarely). To me that makes more sense than him meaning nothing has ever gone wrong in their lives ever. Positive probability ions don’t stop bad things from happening to Phineas and Ferb in the same way negative probability ions don’t stop good things from happening to Milo. Both shows essentially have this connected message of “life is what you make of it’. Phineas and Ferb might have luck on their side but their ingenuity and creativity is always the key factor in their success. I think what the writers were going for is using the positive probability ions to explain why Doof’s inators always conveniently hit their big ideas (which is why Candace is the one to say it). But they weren’t thinking through some of their implications when writing those interactions. But yeah, those are my 2 cents. Spectacular video!
“What do you usually do when things go wrong?” “We have no frame of reference for that” Half-assed plane in “summer belongs to you”, all of “just our luck”, practically any special episode in phineas and ferb: are we a joke to you?
@@thaumaTurtles also.. honestly, couldn't you see Phineas kinda repressing those hurdles? at the very least he doesn't allow it to enter his frame of reference.
You think the timeline of P+F got messed up that bad by MML? Thanks to Austin and Ally the entirety of the Live Action Disney Channel Verse either takes place in 2029 or is forever stuck in 2007 during the height of That’s So Raven and HM (take your pick)
@@superdude4383 Basically, Austin and Ally ends with a big ol timeskip showing the main characters married and successful in the future. But then we’ve seen _them,_ aged in the future, in other crossovers. But we’ve _also_ seen them young in crossovers that happened before that. Basically, Austin & Ally takes place in a pocket universe with severely distorted time passage.
@@leightonpetty4817 When was there a crossover with them aged in the future? Weren't most of the crossovers set when the music store was still a music store? And weren't most of those just holiday crossovers that were literally forgotten by each respective show featured in said crossover?
I honestly would have loved a spin-off episode about Vanessa working at owca, they could have brought back monty and rekindled that friendship/relationship. I would've enjoyed a plot where they are like competing for the internship spot because (if I remember correctly) monty wanted to be part of owca too, so they could have done a whole plot line of them doing wacky stuff together.
Monty had it the WORST. He only appeared in a few episodes of PnF and just completely vanishes. He didn't even show up in Act Your Age special, since he should have been the new head instead of Carl.
@@YujiUedaFan Though I never minded Ferb and Vanessa ending up together, I wished we could have seen Monty a bit more, to at least see why they didn't work out! or smth idkk he was a cool character, wish we saw more of him
It's so great to hear someone talk about all these continuity glitches that I've thought about forever but never had the guts to do a video on! Also SUS DOOF HE IS THE IMPOSTER
I think the main issue with The Phineas and Ferb Effect is just the fact that they took a show like Phineas and Ferb which wasn't designed with continuity being important (even if they retroactively decided to make some things have continuity within PnF) and forced it to be canon within a show that cares a ton about continuity but when they came up with some important aspects of MML and shoved PnF into it after getting all that. That may be a bad explanation, I didn't know all the words for what I was trying to say. I just think that they shouldn't have forced PnF into MML when it was going to cause so many issues to do it. And side note, I think that Christmas episode question they asked Dan should have been answered by saying that it wasn't ever meant to be canon or something
It felt good the first time.. having something you've been watching for years actually become recontextualized in a satisfying way is really effective.... the first time, but often the longer you think about it, the less sense it makes. a great example would be the biggest reveal of Charlie the Unicorn's grand finale. I'm sure plenty of people will say it ruined the dumb mindless comedy, but for people who had been enjoying this weird simple humor for a decade, finding something out that makes tons of sense and makes the entire series feel different now was really powerful, and a sensible way to wrap somethign up that was obviously never intended to be so huge.
I say Disney obligated them to put P&F and Doof in with and they decided to ignore certain continuity to kickstart a new plot, P&F **did** care about continuity though, don't let Quinton Review's deceive you (if you got it from that) the problem is that it has to decide if to fully embrace it or not, you can't have Doof being a roller skate judge as a callback to his "I'm a Superstar" video but then decide some episodes didn't happen, I call it lazy.
I mean MML could have just taken place 10 years after PnF, that way it would tie into the Act Your Age special. Would also fit in with the change of technology that we see between the two shows. I prefer timeskip PnF anyway because it means Phineas and Isabella's relationship is canon.
@@mfirdanhb Also would explain why Linda wouldn't care what the boys were doing (also why Candice wouldn't want to bust them), since they'd be adults by that time. Honestly just makes more sense if you imagine college age Phineas and Ferb doing everything instead.
I can see the wheels turing in Dan's head throughout the clip where he explains the continuity errors. I'm pretty sure he made those explatiations up on the spot though I could be wrong
"Stories are about characters and choices not nitpicky continuity glitches." I agree to an extent. You can have strong continuity and have character. At the same time, occasional small errors won't take me out of something and it depends on what I am watching.
Thats literally his point? Hes not saying you have to choose one or the other but rather ones more important and can cover for small issues with the other.
I have a problem like continuity error obsession but different like in ben 10 if ben took the faceplate off the ultimatrix like he did to the omnitrix in the original series and goes ultimate or one of the aliens was nanomech and the other was some other alien is he one third human one third nanomech's species and one third some other alien or maybe some other combination yeah I know I am weird
Honestly if your timeline is overly complex and confusing anyway no one will notice if you get one thing wrong, however if there is something wrong with the timeline and base setting of your show (taking place in Fall 2007 but with modern day smart phones), then that becomes a much bigger issue.
@@zombies4evadude24 In Phineas and Ferb they never put dates on anything. Cartoons are made a year in advance so technically it takes place in 2006. In later seasons of Phineas and Ferb the characters used phones. Remember Candace Disconnected.
I think Doof probably rebuilt his building eventually, which is why we see it in flash-forward episodes. The reason he didn't rebuild it immediately in MML is because he just enjoyed living with the Murphys so much. He literally calls them his parents/siblings multiple times. In PnF he never had anywhere else to go, so he had to rebuild his house immediately (and there were only a couple of times it was completely destroyed anyway. Usually it was just a small part of the top). My main problem would be why it's not called "Professor Time's Building" (renamed for branding purposes) in those episodes.
We see the building again in Act Your Age, but that was set TEN YEARS in the future so, it's not like he has to fix it straight away. And yes, the whole "Professor Time's Building" thing bugs me a bit because it probably should say that in Act Your Age. However, when we do see it again in Act Your Age it also has the word "evil" removed so that it says Doofenshmirtz Inc. Maybe he changed the name back again in the 10 years?
I mean, MML is a series with time travel as a prominent plot point for season 1, its frankly more likely that the change to the building came about because of time travel shenanigans involving those episodes. Time travel is kind of a headache.
so true, also many of the other issues are explained as well. for example: not every instance of luck is because of ions. Doof thinks he has negative probability ions in the beginning, but then it turns out he has ambivalent luck, and all of his misfortune is just him being stupid and not thinking ahead. also the probability ions dont contradict it being a genetic murphy-trait. when they went to the alien planet, they redistribute the bad luck ions of the one alien girl, by having the other aliens absorb part of her DNA. so the murphys have a gene, that allows them to atract negative probability ions. candaces bad luck charm could just be a nocebo effect, not a genetic trait or something. also the positive ions are not responsible for everything good that happens to Phineas and Ferb, from the very beginning, there was a "mysterious force" preventing them from being busted, making their inventions disappear, without any input from them, so mml introducing the ions doesnt change anything, it just gave a name to the mysterious force that has been part of the show from the very beginning.
I'M SO GLAD YOU MENTIONED DOOF'S BUILDING BEING IN THE FUTURE!!! This is one of the things that bugged me about the crossover episode because all that was in my head was "Wait, isn't his building in Act Your Age?"
@@jjw8885 Act Your Age can't even take place in the MML continuity anyway. At the start of the special, Carl says that Doof hasn't been evil since he started teaching high school, but according to one the creators, he got fired only a few weeks in. This means that MML officially destroyed the Phineas Isabella ship.
Milo's existence being a danger to the Phineas and Ferb timeline makes way too much sense. Maybe that's why Disney refuses to speak of the show's continuation because Milo would eventually bring about the end of the universe.
Especially since MML should have taken place around the Act Your Age special. If both shows take place in the year they started; 2007 and 2016, then PnF should have been a lot older than Milo.
Small Nitpick: It isn't actually implied that doof has negative probability ions in the crossover. The punchline is that although he thought he had Murphy's Law, all of his failures are due to poor planning and execution. But great video overall!
also milo murphy didnt "add" positive probability ions to the show. they were always there, candace just called it the "mysterious force". phineas and ferb were always protected. in the rollercoaster episode, perry moving the helicopter throws them off track, but they still survive and return to the backyard unharmed after being flung into space and across continents, even though it wasnt in the blueprints. so yeah thats that.
In defense of the positive and negative ions, it is stated in season 2 finale that everyone has them. I think that the Murphy's law curse that is passed down in Milo's family, simply means that the male Murphys are born with more negative ions than everyone else. So yes, everyone has Murphy's law, the Murphy family just has much more of it. The same thing goes for Phineas and Ferb, but with positive ions, they have less negative ions than others. So bad things still can happen to them (especially in the presence of friends when there are much more negative ions), it just doesn't happen very often.
But its the same problem that Phineas and Ferb have mostly positive ones, so most of the times or always everything will go fine, like they don't even need to try
positive ions dont do the work for them, they just dont have to worry about bad luck interfering. they still need to do the math, and build their inventions. he positive ions are just a new name for the "mysterious force" that keeps taking their inventions away, that has been present for the entirety of the franchises existence. also in the first episode of phineas and ferb, perry moves the rolercoaster, which causes them to be flung into space and across continents, and they remained unharmed, even though they didnt plan for that, so it was always due to luck. but they still had to build the rolercoaster themselves, luck didnt have anything to do with that.
indeed. if someone use a rope, to attach a pottet plant to the ceiling so it can swing like a pendulum, and then push it away from you, and then you get hit in the head when it swings back, it has nothing to do with bad luck, thats just them not understanding how pendulums work.
I once heard a possible explanation to how doof has invented timetravel before the other guy. It said that the other guy was one of those timetravelers who got strandet in that wild west town but managed to get out by reinventing timetravel The same person also said that the explaination for why doofs building still exists in episodes that play in thr future was that it plays in a different timeline in which he never invented timetravel
@@sergiorubens8475 Basically when milo actually met the first Murphy from Murphys law and that Murphy pratically all the other time travlers time machines just crash and be destroyed there. 2. Has to do with alternate branches of the time spectrum. You'll have to watch Loki to understand that. So basically Doof Building exists because it's part of a branch from the original time line which makes it an alternate time line.
8:51 He isn't saying he doesn't know who wrote and produced the song, he's saying he doesn't know where the physical sound is coming from in the present.
I don't know. I think the fact that "positive probability ions" are reactive and "negative probability irons" are proactive makes sense. Yeah, Milo causes destruction wherever he goes without him even having to do anything, but that doesn't mean the opposite would be causing construction. Phineas and Ferb have to build their inventions, but no matter how hastily or shabbily put together it is, it works exactly as intended, entertains and/or helps them, and then disappears without a trace so that they won't get in trouble. They always succeed at what they're doing, no matter what it is. They became pop stars in a day, started multiple companies, and made incredible scientific discoveries, all without any experience or foresight. That sounds like the opposite of "whatever can go wrong, will go wrong" to me. However, I will agree that the ions explanation degrades the few moments where things don't actually go right for them, and I wish they would've taken more care to explain that. Maybe something about blue moons affecting these ions, making them weaker. Anything to explain why sometimes things go wrong, and not just pretend they never did.
An idea that could help the "Summer Belongs to You" problem is that their good luck stems from their belief. When they work toward something, it is more likely to work out. But it also won't work out 100% of the time, they play with loaded dice, not dice with perfect odds.
You can think of whatever explanation, but to me the real problem is that it degrades everything they did (and will do if it continues), because whatever happens they will just succeed, and not by them being so smart, never give up, positive etc just by lucky genetic or however it works, they were just born lucky
The way I clear up the whole Zavier Onassis thing is to say that he was a time agent that got stuck at the old western town where "The Original Murphy's Law" was. Him saying he "Invented a time machine" is probably just him getting excited at how he just fixed his machine, or maybe made one from scratch. It even matches up with him being in the 19th century, and with him already knowing what a corndog is.
Sure, but also, he doesn't do anything with time travel, his original machine they found in the museum was non-functional and believed to be just a novelty of history, and his second one gets destroyed during all the time trvlavel shenanigans, then he literally says he's staying in the present for those corn dogs, so he's never going to do anything with time travel or get recognized for it's invention.
I have a hypothesis to solve this conondrum, it's as follows: The Phineas & Ferb effect does not exist, or is not actually significantly present in P&F, Baljeet's result only hinted toward its existence because the Murphy law caused the equipment to malfunction, thus producing inaccurate results in the experiments. But then, if there is no P&F effect to repell M'sL, how does the weapon used in "Fungus among us" get to project M'sL outwards? If we assume P&F made the machine's inside impermeable to M'sL, as it should be so it doesn't seep out, then M'sL should accumulate on the inside and naturally build up pressure, thus propelling itself outward; it should be affected by entropy after all. But then, what's that blue stuff we see coming out of P&F? Well, the red stuff isn't M'sL, it's just A REPRESENTATION of it, it's not diegetic, the character's don't see it; same for the blue stuff, except that representation isn't even accurate. In other words: SSSH DON'T LOOK AT IT IT'S NOT THERE LALALALALALALA Overthinking plotholes and coming up with convoluted solutions like this is my passion.
I know it doesn’t add much to the conversation, but your Among Us edit in the beginning of the analysis was much more well thought out than I anticipated, and much less annoying than most others that do reference it. Thank you for this.
What if doof just has memory loss?? Like whenever he's next to his inators blowing up he is probably getting severely hurt. This explains him forgetting a tonne of stuff and 'messing' up the timeline. This doesn't explain everything but it does explain quite a lot.
9:05 I mean that's not an error. He say he has no idea where the music is coming from, but not that he doesn't know the music, 'cuz now the band isn't there
"We have no frame of reference for that." Literally every single special episode in Phineas and Ferb where it seems like everything is going wrong but they manage to push through and win at the very last moment:
I mean we probably remember those moments of life as a good time because it ended well, but yeah with those positive ions seems like they will succeed everytime because lucky
I see the probability ions as something similar to Constantine’s synchronicity wave in the comics. The idea is that it’s not a guaranteed success but instead that external factors will be on their side. It allows them to always have access to what they need to escape a situation but it’s still up to them to put the pieces together
I like to think that the Phineas and Ferb effect is fueled by their blind belief, meaning that their belief and hope IS what holds them together, not some luck particles that THEY generate. Milo doesn’t believe in himself, he “knows” that things always mess up around him, creating negative luck particles
that's actually a super cool headcanon!! though i am confused a little by "milo doesn't believe in himself". do you soley mean milo knows that murphy's law always makes things go wrong? as milo is a pretty positive and go-lucky guy in the show tbf
@@mushroomsalad5525 he’s positive and go-lucky for sure, but he also believes in Murphys law, which means that however his general outlook is, he believes he has bad luck, generating bad luck around him
The way I see it: remember that one episode where Major Monogram tells Carl it’s “just a cartoon”? And that episode where Dr. D says to Perry that this is “not a movie” and “this is real life” before having one of the most awkward fourth wall breaks ever? I say when it comes to P&F, continuity matters very little.
8:55 I think the intent is that, even though Doof wrote the jingle, he does not know why or how it keeps playing even though there's no band or recorder to play it
11:36 I burst out laughing so hard at this part. I don't really care that much for the video's content but the editing is so funny I think I might watch your other video at some point after this one. XD Excellent work.
Phineas and ferb are not only their probability ions. In the stinklecrampeninator episode, they create reliable algorithms to predict bad luck, and it works! They are geniuses with a natural talent and a persistent spirit, ions or not.
15:43 This line really hurts but I get it To us these episodes are like a bible, but to the creators it's like trying to remember one assignment you wrote in elementary school when you're 30. And while they could rewatch the entire series theoretically it would probably be a cringy and painful time for them. But them not at least not going through some of the most important moments did lead to the flanderization we see before
Never did I think people watching Phineas & Ferb and Milo Murphy's Law actually cared about continuity. I know I sure didnt, but I still found it interesting to hear you talk about it
@@Gabo2oo oh for sure! As a kid I did also love the realisation of "oh hey! That was in another episode!" But that's kinda where I left it. I didn't really think of the "overall" continuity. Like the Christmas special I saw as just, well, a christmas special. The fact that doof technically shouldn't be evil at that point never really oocured/bothered me then or even now
Technically it is not ruining anything in the series, well the examples of Vanessa is understandable, Olivia Olson is in England and due to scheduling issues it is impossible to make an episode focused on Vanessa in MML. Many times doof has denoted having a bad memory or that his inventions require improvement and it is understandable that he does not believe that he did not invent time travel because he wanted a Spartan army, not a Mongolian army. Now on the subject of emotions and faith, stepbrothers have always looked for a way to have fun and have a good time. They have never been interested in facilitating their life because that would make it very boring, they like challenges and breaking the barriers of those that seem impossible. In the same way that milo is happy to live with Murphy's law because it is part of his identity. I can see "summer belong to you" in the same way as 10 years ago because it is still a character arc that even the most optimistic can feel insecure and need help from others to get up. Einstein went so far as to say: "Science without religion (faith) is lame and religion (faith) without science is blind"
16:44, agreed. That ignores episodes like Summer Belongs to You, Phineas and Ferb’s Christmas Vacation, The Across the Second Dimension Movie, Mission Marvel, Phineas and Ferb Save Summer and the Phineas and Ferb series finale. That actually was a glaring flaw with this episode
It may have been a good show.. but if you gotta rely on old characters from other shows... why bother making a new show anyway? Unless it's an actual pre or sequel
I wonder what would’ve happened if Dan and Swampy had made a Doofensmirtz spin off instead of Milo Murphy’s Law, to me it’s so clear they wanted to do a Doofensmirtz spin off yet Disney wouldn’t let them for some odd reason
I don't think the introduction of the probability ions ruins Summer Belongs to You at all. When Phineas is down and given up, Isabella gives him a talk that motivates him to get back on his feet. Nowhere here is there any chance for the ions to control anything. Phineas' mentality is what's stopping him from going on, not his complete inability to make anything. He himself decided he couldn't do it, and Isabella tells him he could do it. The ions could've potentially gotten involved in the actual creation of the paper airplane and slingshot, but this moment is completely character driven. We know the ions don't affect mentality, either, so they couldn't have sparked the idea for Isabella to give him a pep talk. If they did affect mentality, Milo would be a drastically different character.
6:01, which contradicts the episode Act Your Age wherein Carl says Doof stopped committing crimes after being given a job as a high school science teacher
I'd like to think that there are active and passive versions of both types of ions, Candance has passive negative ions, except in that one episode, and Doof's Inator makes all of them active when inverting them.
11:16 because that's not how probability and entropy work. A screw can come loose, a construction site can collapse, and a concrete tube can roll down a hill. These are all things that, while unlikely, can happen in the functionally spontaneously way because of entropy. Two pieces of metal cannot spontaneously attach to each other, a beam cannot levitate into position, a concrete tube cannot roll back up a hill on it's own. These things are possibly only by the introduction of effort from an outside source. No amount of "luck" will magically build a house, but that house can fall apart without any outside assistance, and likely will unless actively prevented from doing so.
so something to think about the positive and negative ions, is that milo always comes out on top meaning he triumphs despite bad luck *meaning* Phineas and Ferb can fail despite good luck. it's still all about the character's choices and how they work through something because good luck isn't what got them off the island it was their ideas and trying that did it.
But you can apply luck to everything, like Phineas was lucky to be there with his friends to help him, and with the other example that means that hey would have to try hard to fail, to have the opposite of their luck gives them, which would be a strange thing to try for
He problem is milo still isn't choosing or doing anything. He is just standing there and shit happens. It makes no sense that he attracts negative ions and suddenly he triumphs without lifting a finger.
also phineas and ferb’s ions most likely arent that strong and their genius and feelings is genuine; they are also 8 years old so of course they will be overpowered by larger forces and death can come to them if they aren’t careful
To be fair, any story involving time travel is always going to have continuity problems. I mean originally it was Phineas and Ferb themselves who had invented time travel. The machine was in a museum and had never been successfully completed in that original time line. It was Phineas and Ferb who actually completed the machine and got it working. Every other instance of time travel in both shows takes place after that one including the scene with the professor showing up in the future indicating that he had completed the time machine in the past which means there wouldn't be an incomplete machine in a museum for Phineas and Ferb to fix. Also... the idea of the show all happening in the same summer also makes no sense unless you consider the possibility that there were always multiple time lines co-existing. It says right in the theme song, there's a 104 days of summer vacation. The series spans 130 episodes. A lot of those episodes also contain TWO stories rather than just one with each story taking place on a different day... except one episode where they tell the same story twice but the second time it's from Isabella's perspective. So there's actually some where between 130 and 260 days being explored supposedly in one 104 day summer. The only way this makes sense is if not every story takes place in the same time line. Which given how many episodes involve time travel actually works out as several episodes could be happening on the same day but in different time lines. We even see that older Candice is missing from the background of scenes in some episodes she traveled to because they aired before time travel was a thing but then she appears in the background of other episodes indicating the changed time line. When this Phineas says "we have no frame of reference for that" it could be that the events of that episode never happened to this version of the character. In fact since time travel has been invented multiple times already I'd be willing to bet that a lot of Phineas and Ferb's time travel stories never happened in this version of the time line.
9:28 it is confirmed by the writer that OWCA files takes place after the crossover episode. Doofensmirtz was a member of OWCA back then but he still didn't do the agent practice.
So to play devil’s advice I wanted to try to think how probably ions could fit into the mentioned episodes. Hawaiian Vacation: In the ending to Milo Murphy’s Law its revealed that normally every person is born with some quantity of negative ions, other then the Murphy men though only an alien girl who was born containing enough negative ions to spread among her whole world had more negative ions than Milo did. So Candice having some amount of negative ions that could be amplified by Phineas and Ferb’s positive ions could make sense. Just Our Luck: Maybe ions inverted by Doof’s inator don’t act like natural ions do, their qualities being distorted by Doof’s ray. Summer Belongs to You: Its like you said before, positivity ions aren’t as proactive as Murphy’s Law and seemingly need to be triggered by Phineas and Ferb starting projects that normally are only done away by Phineas and Ferb shutting it down or Doof’s negative ion soaked inators. The whole journey in Summer Belongs, Candice was with the boys on their plane, causing things to go wrong around the world and forcing them to adapt. If Phineas & Ferb got discouraged and just stopped trying then the non-proactive positive ions would have stopped working, so if they don’t keep trying they won’t succeed, not saying I don’t dislike the line where Phineas implies NOTHING bad ever happens to them.
The thing with the time traveler from the past is a very normal thing in the field of science. You can create something first but if someone else does it too and presents it to the local general science organization then that person will be remembered as the one and only creator of that new technological breakthrough.
In order to cope with the plot holes and undone character development I believe that milo is actually a different timeline we’re some episodes never happened an or they went down differently and the original phineas and ferb show is it’s own timeline were the events of milo never happened nor existed and the Christmas special happens the winter beforehand
The only things I remember from Transformers Animated (which I could have sworn was called "the Animated Series") are the theme (iconic, never forgot it and pretty much the reason I remember the show) and them turning into humans and making "the sound" (not sure if there's a canon term for it).
Hearing him bring up probability ions make me realize why Candance never actually busts the boys. And "Mysterious Force" being. A real thing not just the song. As well as when she does succeed. That means the boys somehow lost their ions, and the world goes to shit because there's now just Candace's.
I actually did a rewatch of Phineas & Ferb a year or so ago, and I think I was aware of the "probability ions" plot point going in. I'm tempted to say it actually made it more interesting for me to watch in some regard. It helped explain things in my mind. I also don't feel like it "cheapened" their victories, because they didn't *know* things would turn out alright, even if it was guaranteed (which even without the ions, it's a kids show, we could probably expect them to always win. Now it's simply the "in-universe explanation" as well as IRL.)
A lot of things I never thought of, but PnF does constantly pick and choose what is remembered and carried forward (such as Doof being a double amputee (Road To Danville) even into MML like Aglets (Island of the Lost Dakotas). Summer Belongs To You never came to mind for me, it was always ‘Just Our Luck’ that.
19:19 Ok, it’s either because they had less or less powerful positivity ions, or because in Summer Belongs To You, it’s because the ions knew they would get out of it anyways, making them inactive. They didn’t really need to believe but if they did need help, the ions would help them. (I’m not a professional, don’t put a whole essay cuz I’m not gonna read it.)
The crossover has bugged me for years, thank you for putting it into video form. FOR YEARS, PEOPLE THOUGHT I WAS INSANE, BUT I AM VINDICATED... okay, moving on. Okay, Dan basically JK Rowling everything that was clearly not supposed to have a strong continuity into something barely coherent is... yeah. PnF was more about the emotional continuity than the physical continuity, so forcing it here is just... eh. For me these actual continuity holes don't bother me as much as the effect on the characters. Like, I don't care about who invented time travel, what bugs me about Professor Time is it undermines Doof's arc (and well, so does the weird word of god spiel from Dan to try and force it to fit). He spent his whole life forced in a role and being judged by others, but then he breaks free of that because of the people he loves, like Perry and Vanessa (and Norm but Doof still had work to do there lol). But being Professor Time forces him back into being in a role again, and one that is dependent on how "successful" he is. Though yeah, it's pretty silly how he just gives up and crashes at Milo's as an excuse for that forced subplot in Season 2, lol. "We just ignored Just Our Luck happened." So we go from contriving Doof's backstory to this, lol. Anyway, as someone who actually doesn't mind midichlorians and think they actually serve a larger narrative about the Jedi losing touch with their spirituality... the Phineas and Ferb effect SUCKS. Like, I literally said it breaks BOTH shows too. Like yeah, not only do the way the explain the ions doesn't make sense, with the ep treated it like it's inverse Murphy's Law when it clearly isn't (moments later they get fuckin captured lol). But as you say, it undermines EVERYTHING in Phineas and Ferb. I'd argue it goes deeper than just Phineas and Ferb themselves - it implies that the status quo that they largely are centred around is good. Candace constantly failing and living in the shadow of her brothers? Perry forced to not be his true self with his family? Isabella always failing to express her feelings? Those are no longer features of a story of genuine character flaws, they're now just... oh, I guess PnF's positive ions mean this all has to work out in their favour, so it means everyone else screwed over by the status quo is experiencing it just so PnF are content to continue their happy lifestyle. Heck, does Isabella loving Phineas given he also seems to like her back in the end also come down to the effect? Does Isabella have free will???? Does ANYONE have free will???????? Okay, I'm getting carried away, but when you say it breaks Phineas and Ferb, I not only agree, but it legitimately frustrates me. And I say this as someone who is usually pretty level headed with media. The only way I can really cope is that I basically just treat MML as a separate universe from PnF, which is a shame. But yeah, nice video! I seemed to have arrived at similar conclusions for different reasons but you have no idea how vindicating it is to see a video explaining what I've said for years. So... thank you. I need to check out your other video too, so don't be surprised if you see another long comment there, lol. (Also, I actually have a weird take on the PnF continuity - I know I said I treat MML separately now to keep my sanity, but I can't help but like the concept of the time grenade, so in a way I still see it like those characters exist, it's just the story doesn't play out. But more importantly - time grenades literally erase pieces of time. So my wacky idea is that basically, something went ridiculous and basically consecutive Summers were all stitched together because all of the time between them was just erased. Only evidence of something more is the Winter and Halloween episodes. Do people even notice? It's Danville, of course not. The most we get is just "wow it's been a long Summer lol". It's why we see 8 years of advancement in technology despite nobody aging. It's why the show makes most sense if you watch it in release order instead of trying to force a logical continuity onto it, because that's how the character arcs work best. But yeah, that's just my two cents, lol.)
The only way I make sense of the Phineas & Ferb timeline, despite being said otherwise, is that the show actually takes place 2 summers with the Christmas and New Years episodes in between: the reason I believe this is because of one fact: There is one episode where Doof is complaining about Roger being granted mayor of the year, and I highly doubt they'd grant that to someone who was just elected (considering he was elected in the beginning of the show)
Nah Harry Potter had pretty strong continuity the stuff she said on Twitter were constant tiny retcons. Here they simply weren't thinking about Milo when making Phineas and Ferb.
The continuity errors are one of the biggest reasons I hate the crossover. However, I don't think the positive probability ions ARE a continuity error and I don't think they cheapen P&F, for two reasons: 1. To me it seems more like a general tendency than an exact science; not EVERYTHING goes wrong around Milo. 2. Admittedly the show seems to be kind of inconsistent about this at times, but it seems to me like Murphy's law mostly just causes things to go wrong AROUND Milo, and the bad things happening TO him are largely just a side effect of that. Most episodes end with Milo achieving his goal. So I think it's reasonable to assume that the P&F effect mostly just causes things to work right AROUND Phineas and Ferb, rather than making it so nothing bad can happen TO them or that they always achieve their goals. Note that it was never explicitly stated that the P&F effect is what caused their inventions to disappear. Additionally, I'm pretty sure the reason the P&F effect seems more passive than Murphy's law is because it just makes things work how they're supposed to work anyway.
13:01, though in the finale, Doofenshmirtz builds a Murphy’s Law Track-inator to track down Milo by searching for Negative Probability Ions and explicitly says that things going wrong around him won’t confuse it because that’s caused by a different source
The time travel in the Phineas and Ferb episode "Lotsa Latkes" was far from figured out. The Historical army retrieve-inator was invented to summon the ancient Spartans from Circa 480 BC, but instead summoned Mongols from before 1000 AD showing that the method of time travel wasn't even within a millennium or continent of accuracy.
@@KeyanCarlile It also says he struggled in vain to return home, showing there was much trial and error, and that the time travel method was very unreliable and dangerous. For all we know, he could have spent 8 years with the Mongols opening portal after portal until he finally got one close enough to the present. I've also always suspected Doofenshmirtz travelling back in time with the Mongols makes him one and the same as Doofhis Khan in Doof Dynasty although the chronology wouldn't line up, as the archaeologist says that nobody's seen the tablet for a 1000 years, and Doof Dynasty specifically takes place in 1542.
This is how I always felt watching cartoons a lot back then even when I was little I just enjoy continuity that’s established already so I try to follow it so it makes the inconsistencies REALLY frustrating for me so I put in too much effort trying to make it make sense logically
The Phineas And Ferb Effect broke my suspension of disbelief ~in the original Japanese~ (/joke about Disney's terrible scheduling meaning it aired in Japan first) But seriously, I didn't need to understand a word to know they were trying to provide a ~scientific~ explanation of the "suspend your disbelief now" plot premise of MML (the ions that broke my suspension of disbelief), alongside overriding my favourite PNF character's agency to force a new name on him against his wishes (which is somewhat of a sore spot for me as I've had people try to tell me they knew things about me better than I did). That they abandoned PNF's continuity as well... I was already aware of but could ignore in MML season 1, before Dwampy/Disney tried to shoehorn the two shows together. (Nowadays I just ignore season 2 and pretend it was an alternate timeline that never happened, since every PNF character just felt OOC and unrecognisable anyway. Except Jeremy.) Clearly it's just a universe where there *isn't* a giant skyscraper on the other side of the moon... since that never showed up in any distance shots of Earth in MML, where it always had in PNF. To talk about Heinz for a second (I'm writing this as I watch, can you tell), his arc in PNF was about him fixing his relationship with his daughter and learning that he has people he can rely on and that he doesn't *need* Success™ to be happy (culminating in Vanessa calling him out in the finale and him choosing *her* over Evil/taking over the Tri-State Area). Aaaaaaand then MML makes everything about Success™. Sigh. Not only that, MML just... ignores Heinz's family, to the point where I spent a good long while convinced they'd just let Norm die unceremoniously offscreen when Heinz's building was destroyed. (Back when I still tried to care.) And regarding the changes it made to Phineas and Ferb themselves... way to insinuate Candace's pain (not being believed to the point it's affecting her mental health), Isabella's pain (the eternal conflict between her crush and her anxious what ifs), and Perry's pain (at having to hide so much of who he is from the people who matter most to him) are things "working out for" Ferb and Phineas, in addition to cheapening all of their own struggles. *Plus* the cast of MML being shunted off to the side. Where was the capitalisation on Melissa's theory bunker from season 1? Why did Cavendish learning about The Island change *nothing* of how he treated (dismissed) Dakota? Why did season 2 suddenly become the Professor Time show, sidelining all the characters I'd spent a season getting invested in? Tl;dr such a shame MML only had the one season, I would have liked to see Cavendish's discovering of The Island lead to him starting to acknowledge Dakota's efforts and become less of a Cavendick. Unrelated, I disagree that SBTY was PNF's best episode. It's *good* but imo there are better episodes. (Plus, I watched it *yesterday* and at one point had to pause for a whole rant at the screen about Isabella being like "I like Phineas for who he is" at the end but also "I just want to change everything about him" throughout the whole episode.) The song at the end's a masterpiece tho.
I've said this before, but Doof taking over the show seemed like the creators just wanted a Doof spinoff show and used a new show to psych the network and audience out (considering how badly they seemed to want it with Doof 101 and OWCA Files)
In my opinion, his arc wasn't about preparing his relationship with his daughter. He has a great relationship with her. He is just a helicopter parent and smothers her too much. His arc was simply he needs to stop being evil. My evidence for this. *Brain Drain:* She thinks I'm cool. And the song not so bad a dad after all.
The way I see it... Doof might have been truely the creator of time travel in the series. Both only because he was the first one to take credit for it. P&F, wouldn't have cared about credit since they always gave away their builds no problem. While onasis could have actually just got that time machine after seeing Professor Time during one of his temporal adventures, possibly with a corn dog. Hence the desire to build his own based on some tech he accidentally left behind, including one of the clocks containing time juice. Said time juice could actually be the same fluid Doof used to fill his self destruct buttons for his inators.. Aka boom juice. But more refined, maybe combined with juice made from the very plant that plagued this series. Plus if he did invent it... It would explain most continuity issues of his backstory.. Like how his birthday one actually changed from being attacked by bats while walking home alone with the cake, to not being allowed to even keep the cake. As well as the whole parents being absent at his birth... They weren't absent, they were with him... Just not with the present Doof, but talking to future Doof, aka Professor Time. Who probably realized that his past was originally just like his other dimension's self, and he had to set things correctly in the main dimension, to avoid going down the path of evil permanently.
The positivity ion thing for Phineas & Ferb honestly felt really forced. While watching it I was like "Since when were they carried by their luck?" Like, you can't even argue the Doofenshmirtz hiding everything thing. It actively makes their sister unhappy and according to the creators their mother wouldn't be offended or anything by it.
I mean there's already an episode of Phineas and Ferb where doof makes a good/bad luck machine that establishes Phineas and Ferb as really good luck & Candace has really bad luck
@@broadwaybutterfly310 I mean, Candace definitely has bad luck, sure, but I don't buy that Phineas & Ferb have good luck. They're just dreamworkers. If anything they'd be luckier if their sister was able to be happy by "busting" them, only for it to not matter, so that she can live a normal life.
@@broadwaybutterfly310 it doesn’t establish that they have food much though? From that episode they just got blasted with bad luck and had bad luck while Candace got blasted with good luck and had good luck
11:37, that’s the opposite of how charged particles work in real life. Positive particles repel other positive particles and negative particles repel other negative particles but positive and negative particles gravitate towards one another
8:40 1) In later Phineas and Ferb episodes the characters get phones do you remember Candace Disconnected, She used an iPhone in Tri-state trilogy of terror if I remember correctly. 2) Maybe they are a bunch of cheap scapes.
Yeah, the show already didn't follow continuity with its technology, anyways. You can even see in this video that Candace uses a smartphone throughout s4.
My main issue with Milo Murphy and also Candace Against te Universe is that Doof does not do well while around competent characters that can talk. He is smart, he is a genius but his roll is to always fail. This is fine when he is the antagonist because he is the antagonist he should fail, and well Perry is a Badass. But have him as an ally, have him interact with the main cast and keep those same rules and he just becomes sad. and annoying. In Candace against the Universe there was a whole part about how he was just a useless hindrance, could barely do anything and yet would refuse to listen to those smarter than him. It made him annoying. I was just waiting for Isabella to rip him a new one and beat him into submission so it would stop. Milo Murphy's Law isn't AS bad but they still have the rule that he has to be a failure at everything and he was a good guy. Its funny to see a cartoon character in pain when they deserve it like when he's stealing all the gnomes, it's not fun to see a character in pain when he's genuinely trying to be a good person. Its also not fun to see someone trying to be better knowing he will fail, and it's pointless. It's just sad. Granted they did a lot better in the finale with the aliens, actually made him useful and gave him an integral part that only he could do and was something he didn't bumble into, but it doesn't make up for the rest
You could attribute the same writing issues with Candace herself. See, Doof is always going to fail, that is him, but he is a man who tries his best no matter how much he fails, that works. It's the same reason why I always root for Doof because th creators, in order to make a funny character in Doff, accidentally created a very tragic character that, frankly speaking, makes them look bad because it made them look like they were specifically picking on and making fun of people who themselves had gone through tons of childhood trauma. Not saying that's what they were doing, just saying you can interpret that. It's why I actually dislike Candace against the universe and didn't watch it because it essentially reverted the character of Candace and undid her growth from the last day of summer and screw up the character of Doof.
@@cttommy73 I liked what it did with Candace. It not only delved into 'oh you have failed a million times that sucks' which I admit has been done enough already but it also delved into the fact that for the most part she is a normal teenager who has to live with two brothers who are amazing in such a way that there is just no competing with it. Also it didn't really undo The Last Day of Summer as it happened during that same Summer. They hadn't gone back to school, none of them were older, and Doof was still an evil scientist at the moment.
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You are thinking way too much about it. Phineas and Ferb has ended. Continuation with Murphy law has just taken the same characters...
We sure the Christmas episode isn't before Summer? Their Sleigh they built in the special is in The 2nd Dimension film.
Did you forget time travel could have created alternative timeline
Alternative timeline and Phineas and Ferb summer was way longer than summon
Doofenshmirtz forgetting he invented time travel is the most Doofenshmirtz thing he could ever do
2nd Dimension answered it too.
Amnesia-inator? I would have remembered building something like that'
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Remember his amnesia-inator from Across the 2nd Dimension? He probably used it on himself multiple times.
@@SpFlash1523 yeah I'd imagine he uses it a lot accidentally and always forgets what it is.
Let's be fair, Doofenshmirtz has always been a tangle of continuity. He probably hit himself with a continuityinator to break his backstory up so badly that his creditors couldn't find him.
It probably has to do with the Amnesia-inator
Makes sense to me
@@Retro_Red Maybe it had to do with that inator he built in She’s The Mayor, he built it to fast forward his golf game with Roger, but then he accidentally reversed the entire episode from happening and changed the timeline, maybe that’s why all of these in inconsistencies exist in Phineas & Ferb, like maybe it also had a ripple effect on the rest of the timeline
honestly, that would explain how neither of his parents managed to show up for his birth. lol
@@IcyDiamond that explanation is brilliant.
To be fair to Dan and Swampy, it seems like by their own admission they don’t think about this kind of stuff. Dan even openly admitted he never stopped to think about how Candace loving Grilled Cheese contradicts her being allergic to dairy.
They're typically pretty good with keeping their continuity in check, even when doing time travel stuff. And to be fair, the Candace Grilled Cheese incident was an innocent mistake that everyone had a laugh about. It didn't throw the entire PnF universe continuity into a black hole.
@@AnimatedIdiotGuide Maybe it was dairy free Grilled Cheese?
@@IcyDiamond That was the on-the-fly explanation Dan gave but clearly they didn't think that one through XD
Yeah, it doesn't really seem like continuity was all that important in PnF, anyways. Stuff like the technology was already retconned over the course of the show with Candace's flip phone literally turning into a smartphone in later seasons, and Doof relapsing in the Christmas special was obviously something they were stuck with since there's no way they had him moving on from evil planned when they wrote that episode. But I get that it probably becomes a bit more noticeable once it gets connected to a show that cares more about continuity.
I mean, milk is a popular drink and candy flavour in China despite most people being lactose intolerant there. So it's not absurd to say Candace loves grilled cheese despite her lactose intolerance.
I'm pretty sure that when Doof says "I have no idea where that's from", he's talking about the jingle playing in-universe, not the jingle itself. He wrote it, but he doesn't understand how it keeps playing in all the places that it does.
In universe, it's being sung by an quartet that Doof hired and is constantly standing off screen. You get to see them at least once.
You could say that it was the evil Inc and not good Inc
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In terms of Phineas saying they have no frame of reference for things going wrong. I’ve always interpreted that line as him saying they haven’t experienced defeat. Because while the boys have come across adversity numerous times they always quickly find a solution and have never actually failed at something (or at least very rarely). To me that makes more sense than him meaning nothing has ever gone wrong in their lives ever. Positive probability ions don’t stop bad things from happening to Phineas and Ferb in the same way negative probability ions don’t stop good things from happening to Milo. Both shows essentially have this connected message of “life is what you make of it’. Phineas and Ferb might have luck on their side but their ingenuity and creativity is always the key factor in their success.
I think what the writers were going for is using the positive probability ions to explain why Doof’s inators always conveniently hit their big ideas (which is why Candace is the one to say it). But they weren’t thinking through some of their implications when writing those interactions.
But yeah, those are my 2 cents. Spectacular video!
@@ultimatesora4467 It's pretty safe to assume that one of the differences between the dimensions is the lack of them.
“What do you usually do when things go wrong?”
“We have no frame of reference for that”
Half-assed plane in “summer belongs to you”, all of “just our luck”, practically any special episode in phineas and ferb: are we a joke to you?
I mean those are such extreme rarities that they usually call it out as being a huge shake-up to their status quo.
@@KairuHakubi Stll good episodes
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Honestly it's very in-character for Phineas, who basically embodies optimism, to not see any of that as "stuff going wrong," but just "fun surprises!"
@@thaumaTurtles also.. honestly, couldn't you see Phineas kinda repressing those hurdles? at the very least he doesn't allow it to enter his frame of reference.
You think the timeline of P+F got messed up that bad by MML? Thanks to Austin and Ally the entirety of the Live Action Disney Channel Verse either takes place in 2029 or is forever stuck in 2007 during the height of That’s So Raven and HM (take your pick)
Lmao
Please explain, I'm super curious now!
@@superdude4383 Basically, Austin and Ally ends with a big ol timeskip showing the main characters married and successful in the future. But then we’ve seen _them,_ aged in the future, in other crossovers. But we’ve _also_ seen them young in crossovers that happened before that. Basically, Austin & Ally takes place in a pocket universe with severely distorted time passage.
@@leightonpetty4817 I'm still lost but broooooo
@@leightonpetty4817 When was there a crossover with them aged in the future? Weren't most of the crossovers set when the music store was still a music store? And weren't most of those just holiday crossovers that were literally forgotten by each respective show featured in said crossover?
Vanessa is a queen and deserved better
Ferb, did you write this comment?
I honestly would have loved a spin-off episode about Vanessa working at owca, they could have brought back monty and rekindled that friendship/relationship. I would've enjoyed a plot where they are like competing for the internship spot because (if I remember correctly) monty wanted to be part of owca too, so they could have done a whole plot line of them doing wacky stuff together.
Agreed
I can’t believe they would do Vanessa like this
@@josephbatten1462 I agree, they pretty much made her a backgrounder in MML
Monty had it the WORST. He only appeared in a few episodes of PnF and just completely vanishes. He didn't even show up in Act Your Age special, since he should have been the new head instead of Carl.
@@YujiUedaFan Though I never minded Ferb and Vanessa ending up together, I wished we could have seen Monty a bit more, to at least see why they didn't work out! or smth idkk
he was a cool character, wish we saw more of him
It's so great to hear someone talk about all these continuity glitches that I've thought about forever but never had the guts to do a video on! Also SUS DOOF HE IS THE IMPOSTER
he's probably the imposter
but by mistake
How did you comment this 2days ago
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How did you comment 2 days ago?!
When Doofenshmirtz evil incorporated is sus
I think the main issue with The Phineas and Ferb Effect is just the fact that they took a show like Phineas and Ferb which wasn't designed with continuity being important (even if they retroactively decided to make some things have continuity within PnF) and forced it to be canon within a show that cares a ton about continuity but when they came up with some important aspects of MML and shoved PnF into it after getting all that. That may be a bad explanation, I didn't know all the words for what I was trying to say. I just think that they shouldn't have forced PnF into MML when it was going to cause so many issues to do it. And side note, I think that Christmas episode question they asked Dan should have been answered by saying that it wasn't ever meant to be canon or something
It felt good the first time.. having something you've been watching for years actually become recontextualized in a satisfying way is really effective.... the first time, but often the longer you think about it, the less sense it makes. a great example would be the biggest reveal of Charlie the Unicorn's grand finale. I'm sure plenty of people will say it ruined the dumb mindless comedy, but for people who had been enjoying this weird simple humor for a decade, finding something out that makes tons of sense and makes the entire series feel different now was really powerful, and a sensible way to wrap somethign up that was obviously never intended to be so huge.
I say Disney obligated them to put P&F and Doof in with and they decided to ignore certain continuity to kickstart a new plot, P&F **did** care about continuity though, don't let Quinton Review's deceive you (if you got it from that) the problem is that it has to decide if to fully embrace it or not, you can't have Doof being a roller skate judge as a callback to his "I'm a Superstar" video but then decide some episodes didn't happen, I call it lazy.
I mean MML could have just taken place 10 years after PnF, that way it would tie into the Act Your Age special. Would also fit in with the change of technology that we see between the two shows. I prefer timeskip PnF anyway because it means Phineas and Isabella's relationship is canon.
@@YujiUedaFan like seriously grandpa doof is better than a mid life crisis uncle
@@mfirdanhb Also would explain why Linda wouldn't care what the boys were doing (also why Candice wouldn't want to bust them), since they'd be adults by that time. Honestly just makes more sense if you imagine college age Phineas and Ferb doing everything instead.
Why they didn’t just make the Christmas episode the year before the summer that Phineas & Ferb takes place is mind boggling to me
I can see the wheels turing in Dan's head throughout the clip where he explains the continuity errors. I'm pretty sure he made those explatiations up on the spot though I could be wrong
@@YourPalSozzivix Yeah he probably just made it up as he went along lol
or u know, just make it noncanon
@@fluffiddy6515 It was all Phineas's dream. LOL
Plot twist: There are actually 2 summers of Phineas and Ferb and Christmas Special take place in between them
"Stories are about characters and choices not nitpicky continuity glitches." I agree to an extent. You can have strong continuity and have character. At the same time, occasional small errors won't take me out of something and it depends on what I am watching.
Small continuity bugs aren’t bad, but if continuity issues keep becoming prevalent then it becomes a big problem imo
Thats literally his point? Hes not saying you have to choose one or the other but rather ones more important and can cover for small issues with the other.
I have a problem like continuity error obsession but different like in ben 10 if ben took the faceplate off the ultimatrix like he did to the omnitrix in the original series and goes ultimate or one of the aliens was nanomech and the other was some other alien is he one third human one third nanomech's species and one third some other alien or maybe some other combination yeah I know I am weird
Honestly if your timeline is overly complex and confusing anyway no one will notice if you get one thing wrong, however if there is something wrong with the timeline and base setting of your show (taking place in Fall 2007 but with modern day smart phones), then that becomes a much bigger issue.
@@zombies4evadude24 In Phineas and Ferb they never put dates on anything. Cartoons are made a year in advance so technically it takes place in 2006. In later seasons of Phineas and Ferb the characters used phones. Remember Candace Disconnected.
Quotes that can be applied to any situation:
"…but Baljeet dabbing made it completely worth it!"
-Keyan Carlile, 2021
I have so much respect for his VA hitting those notes.
I think Doof probably rebuilt his building eventually, which is why we see it in flash-forward episodes. The reason he didn't rebuild it immediately in MML is because he just enjoyed living with the Murphys so much. He literally calls them his parents/siblings multiple times. In PnF he never had anywhere else to go, so he had to rebuild his house immediately (and there were only a couple of times it was completely destroyed anyway. Usually it was just a small part of the top). My main problem would be why it's not called "Professor Time's Building" (renamed for branding purposes) in those episodes.
We see the building again in Act Your Age, but that was set TEN YEARS in the future so, it's not like he has to fix it straight away. And yes, the whole "Professor Time's Building" thing bugs me a bit because it probably should say that in Act Your Age. However, when we do see it again in Act Your Age it also has the word "evil" removed so that it says Doofenshmirtz Inc. Maybe he changed the name back again in the 10 years?
I mean, MML is a series with time travel as a prominent plot point for season 1, its frankly more likely that the change to the building came about because of time travel shenanigans involving those episodes. Time travel is kind of a headache.
Literally this. There was an entire episode dedicated to showing how Doof loved living with the Murphys and how he shouldn't be in a rush to leave
so true, also many of the other issues are explained as well. for example: not every instance of luck is because of ions. Doof thinks he has negative probability ions in the beginning, but then it turns out he has ambivalent luck, and all of his misfortune is just him being stupid and not thinking ahead. also the probability ions dont contradict it being a genetic murphy-trait. when they went to the alien planet, they redistribute the bad luck ions of the one alien girl, by having the other aliens absorb part of her DNA. so the murphys have a gene, that allows them to atract negative probability ions. candaces bad luck charm could just be a nocebo effect, not a genetic trait or something. also the positive ions are not responsible for everything good that happens to Phineas and Ferb, from the very beginning, there was a "mysterious force" preventing them from being busted, making their inventions disappear, without any input from them, so mml introducing the ions doesnt change anything, it just gave a name to the mysterious force that has been part of the show from the very beginning.
During the summer he had the funds to rebuild it. As a teacher, not so much
doof literally lives off his ex wife money
@@spiltmilk6716 She got tired of giving him so much money and decided to let Doofensmirtz handle it himself
@@IcyDiamond doof could build money
@@unknown0629 That’s not very legal though
@@IcyDiamond No, Vanessa just moved out to OWCA and Doof ex doesn't need to pay money for her to him now
I'M SO GLAD YOU MENTIONED DOOF'S BUILDING BEING IN THE FUTURE!!!
This is one of the things that bugged me about the crossover episode because all that was in my head was "Wait, isn't his building in Act Your Age?"
Well, most events in the future are not set in stone. They can be changed by any random choice so it doesn't matter.
He didn’t have the funds to rebuild it after the summer but he probably managed to save money to rebuild it by Christmas
True, but also remember that Act Your Age was set TEN YEARS in the future so, it's not like he has to fix it straight away
@@jjw8885 Act Your Age can't even take place in the MML continuity anyway. At the start of the special, Carl says that Doof hasn't been evil since he started teaching high school, but according to one the creators, he got fired only a few weeks in. This means that MML officially destroyed the Phineas Isabella ship.
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Milo's existence being a danger to the Phineas and Ferb timeline makes way too much sense. Maybe that's why Disney refuses to speak of the show's continuation because Milo would eventually bring about the end of the universe.
Especially since MML should have taken place around the Act Your Age special. If both shows take place in the year they started; 2007 and 2016, then PnF should have been a lot older than Milo.
Small Nitpick: It isn't actually implied that doof has negative probability ions in the crossover. The punchline is that although he thought he had Murphy's Law, all of his failures are due to poor planning and execution. But great video overall!
Also probably the result of Phineas & Ferb's positive ions being so strong, their good luck forces him to lose as a form of "protection".
Hes the guy that puts a Self-Destruct button on everything he makes, no shit he loses
also milo murphy didnt "add" positive probability ions to the show. they were always there, candace just called it the "mysterious force". phineas and ferb were always protected. in the rollercoaster episode, perry moving the helicopter throws them off track, but they still survive and return to the backyard unharmed after being flung into space and across continents, even though it wasnt in the blueprints. so yeah thats that.
@@proclarushtaonasatbut it was more fun when it was used as comedy
I have a perfect explanation that justifies all of this. Danville got hit with the amnesiainator
In defense of the positive and negative ions, it is stated in season 2 finale that everyone has them. I think that the Murphy's law curse that is passed down in Milo's family, simply means that the male Murphys are born with more negative ions than everyone else. So yes, everyone has Murphy's law, the Murphy family just has much more of it. The same thing goes for Phineas and Ferb, but with positive ions, they have less negative ions than others. So bad things still can happen to them (especially in the presence of friends when there are much more negative ions), it just doesn't happen very often.
Headcanon confirmed
But its the same problem that Phineas and Ferb have mostly positive ones, so most of the times or always everything will go fine, like they don't even need to try
positive ions dont do the work for them, they just dont have to worry about bad luck interfering. they still need to do the math, and build their inventions. he positive ions are just a new name for the "mysterious force" that keeps taking their inventions away, that has been present for the entirety of the franchises existence. also in the first episode of phineas and ferb, perry moves the rolercoaster, which causes them to be flung into space and across continents, and they remained unharmed, even though they didnt plan for that, so it was always due to luck. but they still had to build the rolercoaster themselves, luck didnt have anything to do with that.
@@asoretyeah, that's called plot armor, almost every main character in fiction has it
To be fair doofenshmirtz's bad luck is usually due to his own actions rather than what happens around him.
indeed. if someone use a rope, to attach a pottet plant to the ceiling so it can swing like a pendulum, and then push it away from you, and then you get hit in the head when it swings back, it has nothing to do with bad luck, thats just them not understanding how pendulums work.
I once heard a possible explanation to how doof has invented timetravel before the other guy. It said that the other guy was one of those timetravelers who got strandet in that wild west town but managed to get out by reinventing timetravel
The same person also said that the explaination for why doofs building still exists in episodes that play in thr future was that it plays in a different timeline in which he never invented timetravel
Huh
@@sergiorubens8475 Basically when milo actually met the first Murphy from Murphys law and that Murphy pratically all the other time travlers time machines just crash and be destroyed there.
2. Has to do with alternate branches of the time spectrum. You'll have to watch Loki to understand that. So basically Doof Building exists because it's part of a branch from the original time line which makes it an alternate time line.
i heard that somewhere too!
8:51 He isn't saying he doesn't know who wrote and produced the song, he's saying he doesn't know where the physical sound is coming from in the present.
I don't know. I think the fact that "positive probability ions" are reactive and "negative probability irons" are proactive makes sense.
Yeah, Milo causes destruction wherever he goes without him even having to do anything, but that doesn't mean the opposite would be causing construction. Phineas and Ferb have to build their inventions, but no matter how hastily or shabbily put together it is, it works exactly as intended, entertains and/or helps them, and then disappears without a trace so that they won't get in trouble. They always succeed at what they're doing, no matter what it is. They became pop stars in a day, started multiple companies, and made incredible scientific discoveries, all without any experience or foresight. That sounds like the opposite of "whatever can go wrong, will go wrong" to me.
However, I will agree that the ions explanation degrades the few moments where things don't actually go right for them, and I wish they would've taken more care to explain that. Maybe something about blue moons affecting these ions, making them weaker. Anything to explain why sometimes things go wrong, and not just pretend they never did.
An idea that could help the "Summer Belongs to You" problem is that their good luck stems from their belief. When they work toward something, it is more likely to work out. But it also won't work out 100% of the time, they play with loaded dice, not dice with perfect odds.
@@brutusthebear9050 Which could be why Milo never seriously gets injured, even with his curse. He believes he will be fine, so he is.
You can think of whatever explanation, but to me the real problem is that it degrades everything they did (and will do if it continues), because whatever happens they will just succeed, and not by them being so smart, never give up, positive etc just by lucky genetic or however it works, they were just born lucky
@@asoret I mean, that was pretty obvious just from the original show. We already knew they were lucky.
@@SalaComMander I meant 100% lucky, no chance, just science power they were born like that, not like luck in real life that is rng
The way I clear up the whole Zavier Onassis thing is to say that he was a time agent that got stuck at the old western town where "The Original Murphy's Law" was. Him saying he "Invented a time machine" is probably just him getting excited at how he just fixed his machine, or maybe made one from scratch.
It even matches up with him being in the 19th century, and with him already knowing what a corndog is.
Sure, but also, he doesn't do anything with time travel, his original machine they found in the museum was non-functional and believed to be just a novelty of history, and his second one gets destroyed during all the time trvlavel shenanigans, then he literally says he's staying in the present for those corn dogs, so he's never going to do anything with time travel or get recognized for it's invention.
I have a hypothesis to solve this conondrum, it's as follows:
The Phineas & Ferb effect does not exist, or is not actually significantly present in P&F, Baljeet's result only hinted toward its existence because the Murphy law caused the equipment to malfunction, thus producing inaccurate results in the experiments.
But then, if there is no P&F effect to repell M'sL, how does the weapon used in "Fungus among us" get to project M'sL outwards?
If we assume P&F made the machine's inside impermeable to M'sL, as it should be so it doesn't seep out, then M'sL should accumulate on the inside and naturally build up pressure, thus propelling itself outward; it should be affected by entropy after all.
But then, what's that blue stuff we see coming out of P&F?
Well, the red stuff isn't M'sL, it's just A REPRESENTATION of it, it's not diegetic, the character's don't see it; same for the blue stuff, except that representation isn't even accurate. In other words: SSSH DON'T LOOK AT IT IT'S NOT THERE LALALALALALALA
Overthinking plotholes and coming up with convoluted solutions like this is my passion.
I know it doesn’t add much to the conversation, but your Among Us edit in the beginning of the analysis was much more well thought out than I anticipated, and much less annoying than most others that do reference it. Thank you for this.
Candice was just forced on a bike. 19:08
The best joke in my opinion in this show.
What if doof just has memory loss?? Like whenever he's next to his inators blowing up he is probably getting severely hurt. This explains him forgetting a tonne of stuff and 'messing' up the timeline. This doesn't explain everything but it does explain quite a lot.
9:05 I mean that's not an error. He say he has no idea where the music is coming from, but not that he doesn't know the music, 'cuz now the band isn't there
"We have no frame of reference for that."
Literally every single special episode in Phineas and Ferb where it seems like everything is going wrong but they manage to push through and win at the very last moment:
I mean we probably remember those moments of life as a good time because it ended well, but yeah with those positive ions seems like they will succeed everytime because lucky
I see the probability ions as something similar to Constantine’s synchronicity wave in the comics. The idea is that it’s not a guaranteed success but instead that external factors will be on their side.
It allows them to always have access to what they need to escape a situation but it’s still up to them to put the pieces together
I like to think that the Phineas and Ferb effect is fueled by their blind belief, meaning that their belief and hope IS what holds them together, not some luck particles that THEY generate. Milo doesn’t believe in himself, he “knows” that things always mess up around him, creating negative luck particles
that's actually a super cool headcanon!! though i am confused a little by "milo doesn't believe in himself". do you soley mean milo knows that murphy's law always makes things go wrong? as milo is a pretty positive and go-lucky guy in the show tbf
@@mushroomsalad5525 he’s positive and go-lucky for sure, but he also believes in Murphys law, which means that however his general outlook is, he believes he has bad luck, generating bad luck around him
@@jackofspades3845that one cousin still affected even tho he denies having ml
In the Luck episode p&f both has several scenes about being prepared. Heck, being prepared for bad things is one of ferbs key personality traits.
The way I see it: remember that one episode where Major Monogram tells Carl it’s “just a cartoon”? And that episode where Dr. D says to Perry that this is “not a movie” and “this is real life” before having one of the most awkward fourth wall breaks ever? I say when it comes to P&F, continuity matters very little.
8:55 I think the intent is that, even though Doof wrote the jingle, he does not know why or how it keeps playing even though there's no band or recorder to play it
11:36 I burst out laughing so hard at this part. I don't really care that much for the video's content but the editing is so funny I think I might watch your other video at some point after this one. XD Excellent work.
Phineas and ferb are not only their probability ions. In the stinklecrampeninator episode, they create reliable algorithms to predict bad luck, and it works! They are geniuses with a natural talent and a persistent spirit, ions or not.
I genuinely cried as a kid with summer belongs to you, lol.
Same
15:43 This line really hurts but I get it
To us these episodes are like a bible, but to the creators it's like trying to remember one assignment you wrote in elementary school when you're 30. And while they could rewatch the entire series theoretically it would probably be a cringy and painful time for them. But them not at least not going through some of the most important moments did lead to the flanderization we see before
Never did I think people watching Phineas & Ferb and Milo Murphy's Law actually cared about continuity. I know I sure didnt, but I still found it interesting to hear you talk about it
There wasn't an ongoing story arc like in modern cartoons, but continuity nods were one of the most interesting things PnF had to me as a kid.
@@Gabo2oo oh for sure! As a kid I did also love the realisation of "oh hey! That was in another episode!" But that's kinda where I left it. I didn't really think of the "overall" continuity.
Like the Christmas special I saw as just, well, a christmas special. The fact that doof technically shouldn't be evil at that point never really oocured/bothered me then or even now
" I BELIEVE"
" I BELIEVEEEEE"
" I BELIEVE "
" GET O N THE TRIKE "
Technically it is not ruining anything in the series, well the examples of Vanessa is understandable, Olivia Olson is in England and due to scheduling issues it is impossible to make an episode focused on Vanessa in MML.
Many times doof has denoted having a bad memory or that his inventions require improvement and it is understandable that he does not believe that he did not invent time travel because he wanted a Spartan army, not a Mongolian army.
Now on the subject of emotions and faith, stepbrothers have always looked for a way to have fun and have a good time. They have never been interested in facilitating their life because that would make it very boring, they like challenges and breaking the barriers of those that seem impossible. In the same way that milo is happy to live with Murphy's law because it is part of his identity. I can see "summer belong to you" in the same way as 10 years ago because it is still a character arc that even the most optimistic can feel insecure and need help from others to get up.
Einstein went so far as to say: "Science without religion (faith) is lame and religion (faith) without science is blind"
TBF Doof also invented a time machine and installed it in his toilet
I think the problem is that they don't need to work hard, be smart, positive etc to do whatever they want because they just have positive ions
“GET ON THE TRIKE” 😂 best line in the show
6:00 it sounds like he made it up on the spot lol
He probably did
Setting the actual theme of the video aside, can we all agree the editing is actually top fucking notch, bravo
Great vids! I don't even knew what Club Penguin was, but the way you explain, talk from experience and give your opinion is awesome regardless!
You don’t know club penguin?!?
@@rachelcookie321 I mean. I knew that existed something about penguins... but didn't know the first thing of what it was XD
16:44, agreed. That ignores episodes like Summer Belongs to You, Phineas and Ferb’s Christmas Vacation, The Across the Second Dimension Movie, Mission Marvel, Phineas and Ferb Save Summer and the Phineas and Ferb series finale. That actually was a glaring flaw with this episode
even just our luck
@@cannnds True
It may have been a good show.. but if you gotta rely on old characters from other shows... why bother making a new show anyway? Unless it's an actual pre or sequel
I wonder what would’ve happened if Dan and Swampy had made a Doofensmirtz spin off instead of Milo Murphy’s Law, to me it’s so clear they wanted to do a Doofensmirtz spin off yet Disney wouldn’t let them for some odd reason
@@IcyDiamond
Isn't that the plan of Doof 101 and O.W.C.A Files?
@@shabillalma4907 Exactly that’s why I think they wanted to do a Doof spin off
A crossover was planned from the start, but I’m not sure how much of Doof staying was down to Disney’s diabolical handling off MML.
It was a good show but if you have a shared universe why not make use of it?
I don't think the introduction of the probability ions ruins Summer Belongs to You at all. When Phineas is down and given up, Isabella gives him a talk that motivates him to get back on his feet. Nowhere here is there any chance for the ions to control anything. Phineas' mentality is what's stopping him from going on, not his complete inability to make anything. He himself decided he couldn't do it, and Isabella tells him he could do it. The ions could've potentially gotten involved in the actual creation of the paper airplane and slingshot, but this moment is completely character driven. We know the ions don't affect mentality, either, so they couldn't have sparked the idea for Isabella to give him a pep talk. If they did affect mentality, Milo would be a drastically different character.
Also remember how Melissa tries to figure how Murphy's law works? Yeah that doesn't matter either since baljeet found how it works with a SINGLE scan
6:01, which contradicts the episode Act Your Age wherein Carl says Doof stopped committing crimes after being given a job as a high school science teacher
I'd like to think that there are active and passive versions of both types of ions, Candance has passive negative ions, except in that one episode, and Doof's Inator makes all of them active when inverting them.
11:16 because that's not how probability and entropy work. A screw can come loose, a construction site can collapse, and a concrete tube can roll down a hill. These are all things that, while unlikely, can happen in the functionally spontaneously way because of entropy. Two pieces of metal cannot spontaneously attach to each other, a beam cannot levitate into position, a concrete tube cannot roll back up a hill on it's own. These things are possibly only by the introduction of effort from an outside source. No amount of "luck" will magically build a house, but that house can fall apart without any outside assistance, and likely will unless actively prevented from doing so.
so something to think about the positive and negative ions, is that milo always comes out on top meaning he triumphs despite bad luck *meaning* Phineas and Ferb can fail despite good luck. it's still all about the character's choices and how they work through something because good luck isn't what got them off the island it was their ideas and trying that did it.
But you can apply luck to everything, like Phineas was lucky to be there with his friends to help him, and with the other example that means that hey would have to try hard to fail, to have the opposite of their luck gives them, which would be a strange thing to try for
He problem is milo still isn't choosing or doing anything. He is just standing there and shit happens. It makes no sense that he attracts negative ions and suddenly he triumphs without lifting a finger.
17:20 my theory is that candace’s negative probability ions so incredibly close to them slowly destroyed their plan
also phineas and ferb’s ions most likely arent that strong and their genius and feelings is genuine; they are also 8 years old so of course they will be overpowered by larger forces and death can come to them if they aren’t careful
basically phineas could have died in many instances but he didn’t because he did have those ions but that only slightly boosted the belief thing
To be fair, any story involving time travel is always going to have continuity problems. I mean originally it was Phineas and Ferb themselves who had invented time travel. The machine was in a museum and had never been successfully completed in that original time line. It was Phineas and Ferb who actually completed the machine and got it working. Every other instance of time travel in both shows takes place after that one including the scene with the professor showing up in the future indicating that he had completed the time machine in the past which means there wouldn't be an incomplete machine in a museum for Phineas and Ferb to fix.
Also... the idea of the show all happening in the same summer also makes no sense unless you consider the possibility that there were always multiple time lines co-existing. It says right in the theme song, there's a 104 days of summer vacation. The series spans 130 episodes. A lot of those episodes also contain TWO stories rather than just one with each story taking place on a different day... except one episode where they tell the same story twice but the second time it's from Isabella's perspective. So there's actually some where between 130 and 260 days being explored supposedly in one 104 day summer. The only way this makes sense is if not every story takes place in the same time line. Which given how many episodes involve time travel actually works out as several episodes could be happening on the same day but in different time lines.
We even see that older Candice is missing from the background of scenes in some episodes she traveled to because they aired before time travel was a thing but then she appears in the background of other episodes indicating the changed time line. When this Phineas says "we have no frame of reference for that" it could be that the events of that episode never happened to this version of the character. In fact since time travel has been invented multiple times already I'd be willing to bet that a lot of Phineas and Ferb's time travel stories never happened in this version of the time line.
BRO YOUR EDITING IS SOOOOO IMPECCABLE and funny af too. Subscribed
5:35
The writers trying to come up with a way to keep Doof’s story consistent on the spot:
5:09 His Apartmentrebuildinator is solar powered and doesnt work as well in the fall.
OMG WRECK GAR SHOWING UP AT THE END WAS INCREDIBLE I LOVE THAT GUY
9:28 it is confirmed by the writer that OWCA files takes place after the crossover episode. Doofensmirtz was a member of OWCA back then but he still didn't do the agent practice.
So to play devil’s advice I wanted to try to think how probably ions could fit into the mentioned episodes.
Hawaiian Vacation: In the ending to Milo Murphy’s Law its revealed that normally every person is born with some quantity of negative ions, other then the Murphy men though only an alien girl who was born containing enough negative ions to spread among her whole world had more negative ions than Milo did. So Candice having some amount of negative ions that could be amplified by Phineas and Ferb’s positive ions could make sense.
Just Our Luck: Maybe ions inverted by Doof’s inator don’t act like natural ions do, their qualities being distorted by Doof’s ray.
Summer Belongs to You: Its like you said before, positivity ions aren’t as proactive as Murphy’s Law and seemingly need to be triggered by Phineas and Ferb starting projects that normally are only done away by Phineas and Ferb shutting it down or Doof’s negative ion soaked inators. The whole journey in Summer Belongs, Candice was with the boys on their plane, causing things to go wrong around the world and forcing them to adapt. If Phineas & Ferb got discouraged and just stopped trying then the non-proactive positive ions would have stopped working, so if they don’t keep trying they won’t succeed, not saying I don’t dislike the line where Phineas implies NOTHING bad ever happens to them.
I honestly really wish Milo Murphy just stayed it's own thing.
17:41 I just found out that Phineas found Spongebob and Patrick
11:58, though that happens to her all the time even when she doesn’t have a supposedly cursed object
9:27, I’m sure Linda is in denial about it. And Lawrence actually participated in some of Phineas and Ferb’s projects already
The thing with the time traveler from the past is a very normal thing in the field of science. You can create something first but if someone else does it too and presents it to the local general science organization then that person will be remembered as the one and only creator of that new technological breakthrough.
In order to cope with the plot holes and undone character development I believe that milo is actually a different timeline we’re some episodes never happened an or they went down differently and the original phineas and ferb show is it’s own timeline were the events of milo never happened nor existed and the Christmas special happens the winter beforehand
The only things I remember from Transformers Animated (which I could have sworn was called "the Animated Series") are the theme (iconic, never forgot it and pretty much the reason I remember the show) and them turning into humans and making "the sound" (not sure if there's a canon term for it).
Is it just me or does the smaller plot holes are part of the bigger plot, and the biggest plot holes are treated in the more insignificant parts
what a rude name
@@zedxcu bababooey
9:51 I just couldn't stop laughing after that joke. XD
Hearing him bring up probability ions make me realize why Candance never actually busts the boys. And "Mysterious Force" being. A real thing not just the song. As well as when she does succeed. That means the boys somehow lost their ions, and the world goes to shit because there's now just Candace's.
19:00
Isabella: I believe!
Baljeet: I believe!
Buford: I believe!
Phineas: GET ON THE TRIKE
I legit laughed so hard…
(solid video by the way my dude)
Phineas shouting "GET ON THE TRIKE" is one of the funniest moments of Phineas and Ferb
I actually did a rewatch of Phineas & Ferb a year or so ago, and I think I was aware of the "probability ions" plot point going in. I'm tempted to say it actually made it more interesting for me to watch in some regard. It helped explain things in my mind. I also don't feel like it "cheapened" their victories, because they didn't *know* things would turn out alright, even if it was guaranteed (which even without the ions, it's a kids show, we could probably expect them to always win. Now it's simply the "in-universe explanation" as well as IRL.)
A lot of things I never thought of, but PnF does constantly pick and choose what is remembered and carried forward (such as Doof being a double amputee (Road To Danville) even into MML like Aglets (Island of the Lost Dakotas). Summer Belongs To You never came to mind for me, it was always ‘Just Our Luck’ that.
9:00 obviously he was inspired by that and sometimes hires a band to sing it but, it happens, everytime, even when he isn’t even in DEI.
19:19 Ok, it’s either because they had less or less powerful positivity ions, or because in Summer Belongs To You, it’s because the ions knew they would get out of it anyways, making them inactive. They didn’t really need to believe but if they did need help, the ions would help them. (I’m not a professional, don’t put a whole essay cuz I’m not gonna read it.)
The crossover has bugged me for years, thank you for putting it into video form. FOR YEARS, PEOPLE THOUGHT I WAS INSANE, BUT I AM VINDICATED... okay, moving on.
Okay, Dan basically JK Rowling everything that was clearly not supposed to have a strong continuity into something barely coherent is... yeah. PnF was more about the emotional continuity than the physical continuity, so forcing it here is just... eh. For me these actual continuity holes don't bother me as much as the effect on the characters. Like, I don't care about who invented time travel, what bugs me about Professor Time is it undermines Doof's arc (and well, so does the weird word of god spiel from Dan to try and force it to fit). He spent his whole life forced in a role and being judged by others, but then he breaks free of that because of the people he loves, like Perry and Vanessa (and Norm but Doof still had work to do there lol). But being Professor Time forces him back into being in a role again, and one that is dependent on how "successful" he is. Though yeah, it's pretty silly how he just gives up and crashes at Milo's as an excuse for that forced subplot in Season 2, lol.
"We just ignored Just Our Luck happened." So we go from contriving Doof's backstory to this, lol. Anyway, as someone who actually doesn't mind midichlorians and think they actually serve a larger narrative about the Jedi losing touch with their spirituality... the Phineas and Ferb effect SUCKS. Like, I literally said it breaks BOTH shows too. Like yeah, not only do the way the explain the ions doesn't make sense, with the ep treated it like it's inverse Murphy's Law when it clearly isn't (moments later they get fuckin captured lol). But as you say, it undermines EVERYTHING in Phineas and Ferb. I'd argue it goes deeper than just Phineas and Ferb themselves - it implies that the status quo that they largely are centred around is good. Candace constantly failing and living in the shadow of her brothers? Perry forced to not be his true self with his family? Isabella always failing to express her feelings? Those are no longer features of a story of genuine character flaws, they're now just... oh, I guess PnF's positive ions mean this all has to work out in their favour, so it means everyone else screwed over by the status quo is experiencing it just so PnF are content to continue their happy lifestyle. Heck, does Isabella loving Phineas given he also seems to like her back in the end also come down to the effect? Does Isabella have free will???? Does ANYONE have free will???????? Okay, I'm getting carried away, but when you say it breaks Phineas and Ferb, I not only agree, but it legitimately frustrates me. And I say this as someone who is usually pretty level headed with media. The only way I can really cope is that I basically just treat MML as a separate universe from PnF, which is a shame.
But yeah, nice video! I seemed to have arrived at similar conclusions for different reasons but you have no idea how vindicating it is to see a video explaining what I've said for years. So... thank you. I need to check out your other video too, so don't be surprised if you see another long comment there, lol.
(Also, I actually have a weird take on the PnF continuity - I know I said I treat MML separately now to keep my sanity, but I can't help but like the concept of the time grenade, so in a way I still see it like those characters exist, it's just the story doesn't play out. But more importantly - time grenades literally erase pieces of time. So my wacky idea is that basically, something went ridiculous and basically consecutive Summers were all stitched together because all of the time between them was just erased. Only evidence of something more is the Winter and Halloween episodes. Do people even notice? It's Danville, of course not. The most we get is just "wow it's been a long Summer lol". It's why we see 8 years of advancement in technology despite nobody aging. It's why the show makes most sense if you watch it in release order instead of trying to force a logical continuity onto it, because that's how the character arcs work best. But yeah, that's just my two cents, lol.)
Really really really good take. There’s a lot of points here that I hadn’t even considered but that are fantastic.
@@KeyanCarlile Thanks!
You can really tell we've yelled at each other about this a lot over the years, haha. I made some of the same points in my long rambly comment. XD
The only way I make sense of the Phineas & Ferb timeline, despite being said otherwise, is that the show actually takes place 2 summers with the Christmas and New Years episodes in between: the reason I believe this is because of one fact: There is one episode where Doof is complaining about Roger being granted mayor of the year, and I highly doubt they'd grant that to someone who was just elected (considering he was elected in the beginning of the show)
Nah Harry Potter had pretty strong continuity the stuff she said on Twitter were constant tiny retcons. Here they simply weren't thinking about Milo when making Phineas and Ferb.
The real question is why is Carls glasses yellow? 7:53
The continuity errors are one of the biggest reasons I hate the crossover. However, I don't think the positive probability ions ARE a continuity error and I don't think they cheapen P&F, for two reasons:
1. To me it seems more like a general tendency than an exact science; not EVERYTHING goes wrong around Milo.
2. Admittedly the show seems to be kind of inconsistent about this at times, but it seems to me like Murphy's law mostly just causes things to go wrong AROUND Milo, and the bad things happening TO him are largely just a side effect of that. Most episodes end with Milo achieving his goal. So I think it's reasonable to assume that the P&F effect mostly just causes things to work right AROUND Phineas and Ferb, rather than making it so nothing bad can happen TO them or that they always achieve their goals. Note that it was never explicitly stated that the P&F effect is what caused their inventions to disappear.
Additionally, I'm pretty sure the reason the P&F effect seems more passive than Murphy's law is because it just makes things work how they're supposed to work anyway.
13:01, though in the finale, Doofenshmirtz builds a Murphy’s Law Track-inator to track down Milo by searching for Negative Probability Ions and explicitly says that things going wrong around him won’t confuse it because that’s caused by a different source
Why can't we just say that Milo's Murphy's Law is just an alternate timeline of the Phineas and Ferb series?
The time travel in the Phineas and Ferb episode "Lotsa Latkes" was far from figured out. The Historical army retrieve-inator was invented to summon the ancient Spartans from Circa 480 BC, but instead summoned Mongols from before 1000 AD showing that the method of time travel wasn't even within a millennium or continent of accuracy.
No, the issue is that he time-travelled back to the present before the next episode started.
@@KeyanCarlile It also says he struggled in vain to return home, showing there was much trial and error, and that the time travel method was very unreliable and dangerous. For all we know, he could have spent 8 years with the Mongols opening portal after portal until he finally got one close enough to the present.
I've also always suspected Doofenshmirtz travelling back in time with the Mongols makes him one and the same as Doofhis Khan in Doof Dynasty although the chronology wouldn't line up, as the archaeologist says that nobody's seen the tablet for a 1000 years, and Doof Dynasty specifically takes place in 1542.
This is how I always felt watching cartoons a lot back then even when I was little I just enjoy continuity that’s established already so I try to follow it so it makes the inconsistencies REALLY frustrating for me so I put in too much effort trying to make it make sense logically
Doof: *sees Perry's home* "A platyplace?"
Perry: *emerges*
Doof: "PERRY THE PLATYPUS'S PLATYPLACE?"
The Phineas And Ferb Effect broke my suspension of disbelief ~in the original Japanese~ (/joke about Disney's terrible scheduling meaning it aired in Japan first)
But seriously, I didn't need to understand a word to know they were trying to provide a ~scientific~ explanation of the "suspend your disbelief now" plot premise of MML (the ions that broke my suspension of disbelief), alongside overriding my favourite PNF character's agency to force a new name on him against his wishes (which is somewhat of a sore spot for me as I've had people try to tell me they knew things about me better than I did).
That they abandoned PNF's continuity as well... I was already aware of but could ignore in MML season 1, before Dwampy/Disney tried to shoehorn the two shows together. (Nowadays I just ignore season 2 and pretend it was an alternate timeline that never happened, since every PNF character just felt OOC and unrecognisable anyway. Except Jeremy.) Clearly it's just a universe where there *isn't* a giant skyscraper on the other side of the moon... since that never showed up in any distance shots of Earth in MML, where it always had in PNF.
To talk about Heinz for a second (I'm writing this as I watch, can you tell), his arc in PNF was about him fixing his relationship with his daughter and learning that he has people he can rely on and that he doesn't *need* Success™ to be happy (culminating in Vanessa calling him out in the finale and him choosing *her* over Evil/taking over the Tri-State Area). Aaaaaaand then MML makes everything about Success™. Sigh.
Not only that, MML just... ignores Heinz's family, to the point where I spent a good long while convinced they'd just let Norm die unceremoniously offscreen when Heinz's building was destroyed. (Back when I still tried to care.)
And regarding the changes it made to Phineas and Ferb themselves... way to insinuate Candace's pain (not being believed to the point it's affecting her mental health), Isabella's pain (the eternal conflict between her crush and her anxious what ifs), and Perry's pain (at having to hide so much of who he is from the people who matter most to him) are things "working out for" Ferb and Phineas, in addition to cheapening all of their own struggles.
*Plus* the cast of MML being shunted off to the side. Where was the capitalisation on Melissa's theory bunker from season 1? Why did Cavendish learning about The Island change *nothing* of how he treated (dismissed) Dakota? Why did season 2 suddenly become the Professor Time show, sidelining all the characters I'd spent a season getting invested in?
Tl;dr such a shame MML only had the one season, I would have liked to see Cavendish's discovering of The Island lead to him starting to acknowledge Dakota's efforts and become less of a Cavendick.
Unrelated, I disagree that SBTY was PNF's best episode. It's *good* but imo there are better episodes. (Plus, I watched it *yesterday* and at one point had to pause for a whole rant at the screen about Isabella being like "I like Phineas for who he is" at the end but also "I just want to change everything about him" throughout the whole episode.) The song at the end's a masterpiece tho.
S-tier comment.
@@KeyanCarlile Thanks!
I've said this before, but Doof taking over the show seemed like the creators just wanted a Doof spinoff show and used a new show to psych the network and audience out (considering how badly they seemed to want it with Doof 101 and OWCA Files)
@@Disney15ish It really, really does. And they fucked over two shows to do it.
In my opinion, his arc wasn't about preparing his relationship with his daughter. He has a great relationship with her. He is just a helicopter parent and smothers her too much. His arc was simply he needs to stop being evil. My evidence for this. *Brain Drain:* She thinks I'm cool. And the song not so bad a dad after all.
5:50, Povenmire’s explanation falls apart when you consider that Last Day of Summer ends with Doofenshmirtz deciding to join OWCA
The way I see it... Doof might have been truely the creator of time travel in the series.
Both only because he was the first one to take credit for it.
P&F, wouldn't have cared about credit since they always gave away their builds no problem.
While onasis could have actually just got that time machine after seeing Professor Time during one of his temporal adventures, possibly with a corn dog. Hence the desire to build his own based on some tech he accidentally left behind, including one of the clocks containing time juice.
Said time juice could actually be the same fluid Doof used to fill his self destruct buttons for his inators.. Aka boom juice. But more refined, maybe combined with juice made from the very plant that plagued this series.
Plus if he did invent it... It would explain most continuity issues of his backstory..
Like how his birthday one actually changed from being attacked by bats while walking home alone with the cake, to not being allowed to even keep the cake.
As well as the whole parents being absent at his birth... They weren't absent, they were with him... Just not with the present Doof, but talking to future Doof, aka Professor Time.
Who probably realized that his past was originally just like his other dimension's self, and he had to set things correctly in the main dimension, to avoid going down the path of evil permanently.
It's nuts I just saw the first video and the second one came out today. Keep making good shit bro
The positivity ion thing for Phineas & Ferb honestly felt really forced. While watching it I was like "Since when were they carried by their luck?"
Like, you can't even argue the Doofenshmirtz hiding everything thing. It actively makes their sister unhappy and according to the creators their mother wouldn't be offended or anything by it.
I mean there's already an episode of Phineas and Ferb where doof makes a good/bad luck machine that establishes Phineas and Ferb as really good luck & Candace has really bad luck
@@broadwaybutterfly310 I mean, Candace definitely has bad luck, sure, but I don't buy that Phineas & Ferb have good luck. They're just dreamworkers. If anything they'd be luckier if their sister was able to be happy by "busting" them, only for it to not matter, so that she can live a normal life.
@@broadwaybutterfly310 it doesn’t establish that they have food much though? From that episode they just got blasted with bad luck and had bad luck while Candace got blasted with good luck and had good luck
11:37, that’s the opposite of how charged particles work in real life. Positive particles repel other positive particles and negative particles repel other negative particles but positive and negative particles gravitate towards one another
I actually thought that Doof being Professor Time was kinda fun, honestly.
8:40 1) In later Phineas and Ferb episodes the characters get phones do you remember Candace Disconnected, She used an iPhone in Tri-state trilogy of terror if I remember correctly. 2) Maybe they are a bunch of cheap scapes.
Yeah, the show already didn't follow continuity with its technology, anyways. You can even see in this video that Candace uses a smartphone throughout s4.
My main issue with Milo Murphy and also Candace Against te Universe is that Doof does not do well while around competent characters that can talk.
He is smart, he is a genius but his roll is to always fail. This is fine when he is the antagonist because he is the antagonist he should fail, and well Perry is a Badass.
But have him as an ally, have him interact with the main cast and keep those same rules and he just becomes sad. and annoying.
In Candace against the Universe there was a whole part about how he was just a useless hindrance, could barely do anything and yet would refuse to listen to those smarter than him. It made him annoying. I was just waiting for Isabella to rip him a new one and beat him into submission so it would stop.
Milo Murphy's Law isn't AS bad but they still have the rule that he has to be a failure at everything and he was a good guy. Its funny to see a cartoon character in pain when they deserve it like when he's stealing all the gnomes, it's not fun to see a character in pain when he's genuinely trying to be a good person.
Its also not fun to see someone trying to be better knowing he will fail, and it's pointless. It's just sad.
Granted they did a lot better in the finale with the aliens, actually made him useful and gave him an integral part that only he could do and was something he didn't bumble into, but it doesn't make up for the rest
Completely agree.
You could attribute the same writing issues with Candace herself. See, Doof is always going to fail, that is him, but he is a man who tries his best no matter how much he fails, that works. It's the same reason why I always root for Doof because th creators, in order to make a funny character in Doff, accidentally created a very tragic character that, frankly speaking, makes them look bad because it made them look like they were specifically picking on and making fun of people who themselves had gone through tons of childhood trauma. Not saying that's what they were doing, just saying you can interpret that.
It's why I actually dislike Candace against the universe and didn't watch it because it essentially reverted the character of Candace and undid her growth from the last day of summer and screw up the character of Doof.
@@cttommy73 I liked what it did with Candace.
It not only delved into 'oh you have failed a million times that sucks' which I admit has been done enough already but it also delved into the fact that for the most part she is a normal teenager who has to live with two brothers who are amazing in such a way that there is just no competing with it.
Also it didn't really undo The Last Day of Summer as it happened during that same Summer. They hadn't gone back to school, none of them were older, and Doof was still an evil scientist at the moment.
8:51, given how many technical geniuses live in Danville that honestly wouldn’t surprise me at all
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