Good demonstration. My control box leaked at the repair center after I had sent it in for battery replacement (after 1 yr) . It was replaced. Now I assume the Nox is not water proof. This is one of my chief reservations on the Manticore. I have left several suggestions on their FB page to demonstrate its water proofing with a real world underwater test, but nothing so far. No one will want to shell out the Manticore's price if it is just going to leak. There are cheaper, perfectly good options. I hope Minelab has solved this problem, their detectors are so good.
I think the problem is rapid temperature change. Detecting dry sand at the beach, the detector is hot. Then you submerge it into the cold water, just shocks the plastic... I love my Equinox too. On my fourth one now... Awesome demonstration with the dry ice!
Thermal expansion is nothing new to manufacturing. Something minelab SHOULD be well aware off, unacceptable over sight if I am honest. How many peoples day, and weeks have been ruined because off this, The ctx leaked like a Dutch water dam
@@fullhalf420 Thermal expansion is not a manufacturing process. It's expansion off anything due to heat, be it the sun, the charging heat or the cooling off putting the unit in colder water To be brutally honest. It looks more like the resin bond around the charging port is not flexible and prone to cracking
Could be. Or when a day you hunt for relics and then push it into the water. but to me the real problem was the manufacturing partner. Last machines had less leaking problems.
Terry, yes, yes you are. My original Nox 800 leaked up in the battery case, to they sent me another control pod-pre-covid days, they had me a new one in 8 days!!! Then, this new control pod leaked in 2020 at the height of covid, sent it in and they could NOT give me an eta on a return, as the supply lines were all messed up. So....I went out and bought a 600, as I heard they had had less leakage issues and...about 2 months ago that one went belly up in only about a foot of water while on a ring recovery in the Gulf. But...I had the new 800 control pod, so I used my 800 until the 600 came back in under 2 weeks, and they also replaced the stock coil, as one ear had a big crack in it. So...now that the 800 is out of warranty it will NOT go in the water until I can get it all sealed up! Glad you haven't had any issues, many of us have! Menardo Rob / Flthunder
@@flthunderdigginwrob3162 Yes, many of us had leaked issues. Last time they replaced my pod was in the beginning of 2022. From that day, i´ve never had problems anymore. i use it almost every day in the water until my chest, even for 4-5 hours directly. Maybe the problem was the manufactured (Malaysia) But not the project. So they made the same system for new machines...
Gigmaster. Thank you for the video. I've had BOTH my 800 (two control pods) and now my new 600 leak on me. Minelab has replaced them under warranty all 3 times, so I appreciate you doing this video. It has been recommended to me by several other Nox users. I am not subscribed to your channel (I used to be, but you were highly recommended to me to review a find-I found what I think is a 3 lb cannonball, and I was told you were the man to contact, but after two tries of contacting you, you never responded). But, thank you for this video, I think it will be a big help to Equinox owners. Take Care. Rob / FlThunder
I bought a Manticore . Don't know when it will show up . I'm sure that Minelab knows where the Equinox leaks were coming from. From what I have seen of the Manticore , Minelab has addressed the issues people had with the Equinox. Arm cuff is now flexable , the coil ears look redesigned , and the shaft locks are also a new design . I'm sure the leak issue has been addressed . I imagine even the newer models of the Equinox may have been corrected . It costs the company money to replace a leaking machine. If they came out and said they changed the Equinox , everyone with one would want it replaced . My 600 never leaked to my knowledge . I did send it in right before my 3 year warranty expired to have it checked. They sent me a new pod a week later. Customer service has been very good from what I have seen . Looking forward to taking the Manticore out for a spin .
My NOX 800 leaked twice all covered under warranty. The third one sent to me I sold and got a Deus II. No leaks.....and the Deus II gets gold and silver chain where the NOX does not. The Deus II is fast.....separation is just awesome. The NOX had problems with good targets near junk. I am sure the the Manticore will be under scrutiny for leaking and other faults. I hear the Manticore comes with water pre-installed. I want it to work.... the Deus II is good enough for me for now. Your demonstration of the leaking NOX gives me an idea......a fish tank bubbler made from leaky Minelab 800's. It looks kind of cool and what a great conversation starter.
That's from poor connections while charging, friction and overheating, only how to solve it , is total redesign of charging port, like the simplex, if not it will be continuing problem for minelab.
I agree! I also have a Sinplex for water hunts since I mostly hunt freshwater, It's never leaked after many hunts. My Nox has never been submerged for fear of leaks, it's also out of warranty.
Great demonstration, Steve! I too have been wondering if Manticore would have water issues like the Equinox. I hope this video will encourage some type of response from Minelab on this issue.
I guess I'm lucky. Bought my Nox 800 in Feb. 2018. After several years of submerging my Nox 800 in the FL Gulf of Mexico and local freshwater lakes I have never had a leak. No cracks around the charging port. Great machine and not all of them leak. Care when removing the charging cable probably helped. Pry magnetic connector off the port by prying the rounded end up first.
I own two 800s use the round technique with index finger to remove by u yube video by young lad figured it out to remove easy and my two both leaked every 5 to 7 months, love machines user friendly ,but deus in 11 months still going .
@@tedinvt4631 Im sure glad yours doesnt leak but I had to buy extra 800 to keep 1 in my hand 1 in pennsylvanaia repair love equinox user friendly but mine leaked.warranty runs out youre in the cold with non working unit hope you got a rare unit and it stays alive.
Gig how you expect a piece of plastic to last when you destroy titanium scoop there's nothing you can't break but the good news is it's great content for your Channel The Equinox used to be such a good topic to talk about the D2 you have nothing to talk about you only were able to fix the antenna cable and that was it so if you get a manicure you'll have more content for your channel go get one
Love my nox 800; it breaks my heart to not be able to submerge it. Waiting until we know 100 percent the Manticore is waterproof. Love this video and can't wait to see the inside of this machine.
Jade, they can SAY the new Manticore is 100 percent waterproof, but they can't guarantee that UNLESS they've fixed some of the things that gigmaster has talked about, which have affected BOTH my Equinox machines. If Minelab would just come out and be upfront and explain what they've done to IMPROVE the Manticore design, or its weak points, it would make Nox owners a LOT more comfortable about buying the Manticore! ATB Rob /Flthunder
After seeing this I finally know that I am not just an extremely unlucky guy. So, 4 noxes leaked on me. First two (nox 800) leaked under warranty and they have been replaced for free. I never found out on which place they leaked. I thought it was speaker, battery seal or the coil plug. I sealed the speaker like you did. I sealed the coil plug just as you did. Didn't help. After the third leaked, without warranty, I thoroughly inspected it and found that it leaked on the power button. Just where the rubber connects the plastic body. I guess the rubber separates off the plastic after numerous turning on and off, pressing the button. That is the weak spot. Only minor failure of this type opens the control unit for water ingress. So, I bought new nox600 control unit (it is cheaper and it makes no difference for detecting in the sea). But to be sure it will not leak I had to google for the solution. I found out brilliant solution so that you can make it waterproof for almost unlimited depths. :) And for very small money, in short time, without any special work or tool. I filled it up with silicon oil. It becomes a bit heavier, speaker cant work... but I don't mind it. If someone is interested how to do it, here it goes: To fill it with silicon oil the battery plug should be removed. Fill the unit with the oil to the top. The vent (that hole on battery plug, covered with special membrane) should be opened, the membrane removed. The hole has to be sealed with silicone glue. Extra silicone glue has to be added on the outside of the plug and shaped (cant now explain the process) in such way that it makes fair contact surface with the detector shaft when you install it back to the shaft. There is a reason for it. The silicone glue, once hardened, has to be punctured through. The puncture is used to let the air and extra oil out when you put the battery plug back. Do it by inserting a bigger size needle in the puncture. Put the battery plug back in place and slowly press it in. The air and extra oil will leak out through the needle. After all extra oil is out, remove the needle and secure the battery plug with the screw. Since the silicone glue is shaped for fair contact with the shaft, the puncture is plugged with the shaft pressing on the silicone surface. The sea pressure (depth) change does not effect the control unit since there is no air in it and for this reason the seal of the puncture, made with silicone surface-shaft-contact, does not need to be perfect. Just slightly tight. And that was the 4th nox that leaked. On the same spot - power button. But this time the leakage was just tiny drop of silicone oil out. No water got in the detector. This time I sealed the contact line of power button rubber and plastic with special glue. No way it will fail again. And it is working perfectly ever since, for years now. And I am spending so much in the water diving with it.
Eye opening video for me. I am going to be careful to keep mine dry for sure now. I really like it but the purchase price was hard for me to justify once on tight budget.
Thanks Gig. I guess I am one of the lucky ones. My 800 is not quite a year old and I submerge it in lakes quite a bit and have not had a problem. My hunting buddy has been taking his in lakes for a couple of years and so far, so good. I will keep an eye on it though. Thanks for showing us exactly where the issues may arise so we can watch out for it.
They need to go a carbon fiber case and like someone commented with a pressure relief.Gig, they really do need you for a designer. (No joke) Thanks for the videos, Happy Hunting 😎😉
Mine leaked too Steve and stopped working right. Thankfully they replaced it under warranty. They have a 3 year warranty on this part is what I learned.
I use the Nox 800 and have done for about 3 years, I just checked that same area on mines and it’s still perfect, but I only search inland sites here in Scotland, the machine has never been submerged.
I like the NOX 800 a lot too. It is however an eye opener in a way and tends to make one wonder about a couple of things. Like, where's Minelabs QC department and why do they allow a model to be manufactured with a known flaw? Looking forward to the Manticore too. I only hope they've learned from the mistakes they made with the NOX.
Gig, Thank you for your research. Look forward to your findings after the "dissection." It's obvious yours leaked at the charging port. Mine leaked through the "speaker holes" after a large wave knocked me over and the powerful rip tide dragged my 800 about 10 feet before I could grab it. The force of the water penetrated the speaker holes. I know this because in addition to water flodding my screen, I had many graines of sand inside the screen too (no other area could have allowed sand to penetrate). After my experience and your dry ice test, I'm CONVINCED there are at least 2 leaking locations. Currently I'm using the replacement pod from PA. (Don't trust it) We need to have assurances from Minelab the "Beast???" won't leak. It is a great company but needs to be accountable if I'm to get one. Until they are... I'm leaning towards a D2. The D2 has proven itself!!! Minelab has a lot at stake here. For their sake and ours, I hope they step up!
Sometimes i really have to wrangle around the charger magnetic end to release it from the unit. Mine finally failed, im mailing it out today. I definitely need a backup machine. now i just took a zoomed photo of the charging port and it has one crack to the headphone port.
Miy Equinox also leaked this July and was at PA repair for 3 weeks and finally sent me a new pod. Great video. Am now going to wait on buying the new Beast.
I thought the small hole in the battery compartment ‘door’ covered by something called gore-valve (I guess it’s like a goretex membrane), is the pressure relief port.
Gig I have owned about all the best water machines ,if you use them 24-7 in the water as I do they will all leak sooner or later ,but the Nox is the worse I have seen,if you are a serious hunter you keep at least 2 good machines,if the Maniticore has the same problem it is up shitt creek KEEP ON DIGGIN
I will hold out on the Manticore, Love my Deus 2! I have had a few 800's leak and the most recent one was out of warranty. Minelab sent me a new 800 pod with 3 year warranty shipped for $429 back in July. A friend of mine just paid for her 800 pod out of warranty replacement yesterday and the price is now $459 shipped. That's a clever way to check your detector for leaks! I used a latex glove banded to the handle and a small aquarium pump. I can send pictures of the Equinox interior all torn apart if you need them.
In all honesty, I really don't think they have. I am on my 4th replacement in a year. Not a single fix for the problem. I have called and complained so many times. I would honestly be shocked if the Manticore does not leak.
Hey gig , same opinion here love the 800 but have not submerged it ever because of the quick reviews about leaking I’ll just keep it for wet sand and land . I think the design of the charging port is great…… I believe the issue is the wrong or inferior materials. I have a Minelab pro pointer 35 that developed the same cracks in the shaft with very light use absolutely no abuse! Probably the same material. Luckily I saw the cracks before it ever got wet and sealed them all with super glue but will still never submerge it. Kinda sucks having something that’s supposed to be “waterproof “ and it’s not. Have been in wading depth with my Deus 2 and MI6 pin pointer and so far no leaks . Want to try the Manticore also but am very leary of leaking possibility. Thanks for all your vids👍
as usual your advice is spot on I still have 100 percent confidence in all of your evaluations of detectors and equipment keep being honest , everything has happened just as you said it would let me know of ant deus 2 short comings thanks it helps me prepare for failure til next video steve.
Thanks Gigmaster good for thought. My thinking is if Minelab produces another leaking waterproof machine, they will never recover as all confidence in them will be gone.
Manticore is a strange machine. The most desired up-and-coming machine. With brand new stock carbon shaft and armcup. Then you mount the detector, and suddenly notice that is "whobble" because of 3 spares. Ok, is good for transport and underwater, but hell...the 2 pieces from Detect-ed is perfectly "fixed", It´s another swing. The armcup is flexible. Wow, no breaks at all. But it´s bloody too flexible!!! have you ever tried in shallow water? A nightmare. Hope someone gets a solution, like the Equinox, for those 2 parts. I do trust the community. I´ve already seen a drowned machine, but i don´t know what is really happened. Could be an user fault...dunno. Anyway, the system is the same of the nox. Maybe with 2 0-rings i don´t remember well. There is a video of replacing unit where you can see when pushing the battery out. Same hole for the pressure too. I don´t now why they didn´t adopt a system like nokta makro (with flat battery into the pod).
Minelab have got to get this new machine right. I had 2 equinoxes, the first one flooded, the second one the arm cuff broke and l take care of my detectors. The standard shaft was bad and it was nose heavy. It irritated the hell out of me. A great machine poorly built. Im hoping the manticore has none of these build problems. At the price it will be it should be perfect.
The Deus 2 has two different plugs, one for diving, which completely seals it, and one for land, which lets the machine breath. If you leave the diving one in, while on land, it will over pressurize from the heat. I wonder if MineLab machines are able to fully breath, due to their waterproofing. So, they get cracks from the heat, and leak in the water.
Thanks for the information Steve. I have an 800....had it for over two years and unfortunately I have never had a chance to use it. I've mainly been using my Garrett ATPro. I will make certain that I do not submerge the computing unit in water. Have you ever tried the tape that they advertise on TV...I believe it's called "Flex Tape". Would that work by placing that over the back of the CPU? Thanks again for great videos!!!
Well call me a dumb ass...I just pre ordered one! I have a deus2 and an 800 as well. I beach hunt occasionally but don't water hunt ...wish me luck...lol
@@Gigmaster I had second thoughts this morning and cnx my manticore pre order. I have the deus2 ws6 master and have grown fond of it, so I ordered a deus2 remote instead...better to master one detector...lol
I think the cracking is a manufacturers defect....there's no way you can cause those cracks just by plugging and unplugging the charger......It's not even a deep socket....it's basically a magnet that holds it on.
Before you cut it apart, seal up all those cracks around the charge port with silicone. Then add the dry ice like before, submerge it the same way, but completely in deeper water. Watch and see if any bubbles come out from the battery bung/ seal plug. I bet it bubbles out of that little 3/16” white vent hole.
I met a guy last week while vacationing at OBX that had a waterproof equinox head unit designed by a guy in Ukraine. He said you can’t currently get them because of the Russian invasion. I wish I would have questioned him more about it but I didn’t want to interrupt his detecting. Have you heard anything about it? Thanks Gigmaster.
That guy's nickname is Sea Ghost. It seems he's resumed production of waterproof boxes for Equinox 800 recently. The guy is from Mariupol, if I'm not mistaken. You can find him on Instagram.
Gigmaster stick with your other devices don't waste your hard earned money on the new minelab I think they should give everyone a refund for the NOX because they all flood and it seems to me that they really don't care about it and the other new detector is no better than the nox trust me don't run out to get it just because it's new
The manticore seems like it's a good detector if you are the kind of person that spends five minutes scanning and analyzing a target before you decide to dig it....Not me.......Dig everything that way you know for sure...
I will not buy a manticore until they refund me for all the broken coil ears and flooded controll heads i had to buy after my warranty ran out on the nox. Which probably means I won’t be getting a manticore
And if you can find the source of leaking, don't you think mine lab would have been able to do the same and fix the damn problem? But they don't, they keep putting out the same Equinox junk knowing well that the water damage can occur over and over again. I won't buy any metal detector from mine lab for this reason!
I think it's all about competition minelab got afraid because Deus 2 came out and everyone was buying it and minelab was thinking hard how to make money fast so they took two machines they already have and made it into one for $1600 just so they had a new detector on the market and was making money
Good demonstration. My control box leaked at the repair center after I had sent it in for battery replacement (after 1 yr) . It was replaced. Now I assume the Nox is not water proof. This is one of my chief reservations on the Manticore. I have left several suggestions on their FB page to demonstrate its water proofing with a real world underwater test, but nothing so far. No one will want to shell out the Manticore's price if it is just going to leak. There are cheaper, perfectly good options. I hope Minelab has solved this problem, their detectors are so good.
I think the problem is rapid temperature change. Detecting dry sand at the beach, the detector is hot. Then you submerge it into the cold water, just shocks the plastic... I love my Equinox too. On my fourth one now... Awesome demonstration with the dry ice!
Thermal expansion is nothing new to manufacturing. Something minelab SHOULD be well aware off, unacceptable over sight if I am honest.
How many peoples day, and weeks have been ruined because off this,
The ctx leaked like a Dutch water dam
@@fullhalf420
Thermal expansion is not a manufacturing process.
It's expansion off anything due to heat, be it the sun, the charging heat or the cooling off putting the unit in colder water
To be brutally honest.
It looks more like the resin bond around the charging port is not flexible and prone to cracking
@@fullhalf420 I agree with you
Pirate, that might be a good point!
Could be. Or when a day you hunt for relics and then push it into the water. but to me the real problem was the manufacturing partner. Last machines had less leaking problems.
I have 3 Noxs and they have all been under water many times Never leaked Maybe I'm just lucky Great video Gig Cheers
Terry, yes, yes you are. My original Nox 800 leaked up in the battery case, to they sent me another control pod-pre-covid days, they had me a new one in 8 days!!! Then, this new control pod leaked in 2020 at the height of covid, sent it in and they could NOT give me an eta on a return, as the supply lines were all messed up. So....I went out and bought a 600, as I heard they had had less leakage issues and...about 2 months ago that one went belly up in only about a foot of water while on a ring recovery in the Gulf. But...I had the new 800 control pod, so I used my 800 until the 600 came back in under 2 weeks, and they also replaced the stock coil, as one ear had a big crack in it. So...now that the 800 is out of warranty it will NOT go in the water until I can get it all sealed up!
Glad you haven't had any issues, many of us have!
Menardo Rob / Flthunder
@@flthunderdigginwrob3162 Yes, many of us had leaked issues. Last time they replaced my pod was in the beginning of 2022. From that day, i´ve never had problems anymore. i use it almost every day in the water until my chest, even for 4-5 hours directly.
Maybe the problem was the manufactured (Malaysia) But not the project. So they made the same system for new machines...
Gigmaster. Thank you for the video. I've had BOTH my 800 (two control pods) and now my new 600 leak on me. Minelab has replaced them under warranty all 3 times, so I appreciate you doing this video. It has been recommended to me by several other Nox users. I am not subscribed to your channel (I used to be, but you were highly recommended to me to review a find-I found what I think is a 3 lb cannonball, and I was told you were the man to contact, but after two tries of contacting you, you never responded).
But, thank you for this video, I think it will be a big help to Equinox owners.
Take Care.
Rob / FlThunder
I bought a Manticore . Don't know when it will show up . I'm sure that Minelab knows where the Equinox leaks were coming from. From what I have seen of the Manticore , Minelab has addressed the issues people had with the Equinox. Arm cuff is now flexable , the coil ears look redesigned , and the shaft locks are also a new design . I'm sure the leak issue has been addressed . I imagine even the newer models of the Equinox may have been corrected . It costs the company money to replace a leaking machine. If they came out and said they changed the Equinox , everyone with one would want it replaced . My 600 never leaked to my knowledge . I did send it in right before my 3 year warranty expired to have it checked. They sent me a new pod a week later. Customer service has been very good from what I have seen . Looking forward to taking the Manticore out for a spin .
Idd... Now I got to keep up with the Joneses..... Well I was going to get one anyway 😂🤣😂
Too flexible 🙆♀
Best way to clean contacts is with a damp green Scotch Brite ........ even though they leak the Equinox is still great submerged in the water
My NOX 800 leaked twice all covered under warranty. The third one sent to me I sold and got a Deus II. No leaks.....and the Deus II gets gold and silver chain where the NOX does not. The Deus II is fast.....separation is just awesome. The NOX had problems with good targets near junk.
I am sure the the Manticore will be under scrutiny for leaking and other faults. I hear the Manticore comes with water pre-installed.
I want it to work.... the Deus II is good enough for me for now.
Your demonstration of the leaking NOX gives me an idea......a fish tank bubbler made from leaky Minelab 800's. It looks kind of cool and what a great conversation starter.
That's from poor connections while charging, friction and overheating, only how to solve it , is total redesign of charging port, like the simplex, if not it will be continuing problem for minelab.
I agree! I also have a Sinplex for water hunts since I mostly hunt freshwater, It's never leaked after many hunts. My Nox has never been submerged for fear of leaks, it's also out of warranty.
What a great test Gigmaster wow. Love your thinking and how you do things.
Very nice demo gig. Greetings from Dominican Republic ✌️
You have to remember we live in a throwaway society now it's not like the good old days when something was built good
Great demonstration, Steve! I too have been wondering if Manticore would have water issues like the Equinox. I hope this video will encourage some type of response from Minelab on this issue.
I guess I'm lucky. Bought my Nox 800 in Feb. 2018. After several years of submerging my Nox 800 in the FL Gulf of Mexico and local freshwater lakes I have never had a leak. No cracks around the charging port. Great machine and not all of them leak. Care when removing the charging cable probably helped. Pry magnetic connector off the port by prying the rounded end up first.
I own two 800s use the round technique with index finger to remove by u yube video by young lad figured it out to remove easy and my two both leaked every 5 to 7 months, love machines user friendly ,but deus in 11 months still going .
@@vancenarron9952 Bummer. My point is they don't all leak.
@@tedinvt4631 Im sure glad yours doesnt leak but I had to buy extra 800 to keep 1 in my hand 1 in pennsylvanaia repair love equinox user friendly but mine leaked.warranty runs out youre in the cold with non working unit hope you got a rare unit and it stays alive.
Gig how you expect a piece of plastic to last when you destroy titanium scoop there's nothing you can't break but the good news is it's great content for your Channel The Equinox used to be such a good topic to talk about the D2 you have nothing to talk about you only were able to fix the antenna cable and that was it so if you get a manicure you'll have more content for your channel go get one
Good video steve! Good disection and water test on the nox! Good info!
Love my nox 800; it breaks my heart to not be able to submerge it. Waiting until we know 100 percent the Manticore is waterproof. Love this video and can't wait to see the inside of this machine.
My 800 is under the water all summer, leaked a year ago sent it back and they gave me a new one
Jade, they can SAY the new Manticore is 100 percent waterproof, but they can't guarantee that UNLESS they've fixed some of the things that gigmaster has talked about, which have affected BOTH my Equinox machines. If Minelab would just come out and be upfront and explain what they've done to IMPROVE the Manticore design, or its weak points, it would make Nox owners a LOT more comfortable about buying the Manticore!
ATB
Rob /Flthunder
@@flthunderdigginwrob3162they won't admit the nox has issues so you won't hear anything
After seeing this I finally know that I am not just an extremely unlucky guy. So, 4 noxes leaked on me. First two (nox 800) leaked under warranty and they have been replaced for free. I never found out on which place they leaked. I thought it was speaker, battery seal or the coil plug. I sealed the speaker like you did. I sealed the coil plug just as you did. Didn't help. After the third leaked, without warranty, I thoroughly inspected it and found that it leaked on the power button. Just where the rubber connects the plastic body. I guess the rubber separates off the plastic after numerous turning on and off, pressing the button. That is the weak spot. Only minor failure of this type opens the control unit for water ingress. So, I bought new nox600 control unit (it is cheaper and it makes no difference for detecting in the sea). But to be sure it will not leak I had to google for the solution. I found out brilliant solution so that you can make it waterproof for almost unlimited depths. :) And for very small money, in short time, without any special work or tool. I filled it up with silicon oil. It becomes a bit heavier, speaker cant work... but I don't mind it. If someone is interested how to do it, here it goes: To fill it with silicon oil the battery plug should be removed. Fill the unit with the oil to the top. The vent (that hole on battery plug, covered with special membrane) should be opened, the membrane removed. The hole has to be sealed with silicone glue. Extra silicone glue has to be added on the outside of the plug and shaped (cant now explain the process) in such way that it makes fair contact surface with the detector shaft when you install it back to the shaft. There is a reason for it. The silicone glue, once hardened, has to be punctured through. The puncture is used to let the air and extra oil out when you put the battery plug back. Do it by inserting a bigger size needle in the puncture. Put the battery plug back in place and slowly press it in. The air and extra oil will leak out through the needle. After all extra oil is out, remove the needle and secure the battery plug with the screw. Since the silicone glue is shaped for fair contact with the shaft, the puncture is plugged with the shaft pressing on the silicone surface. The sea pressure (depth) change does not effect the control unit since there is no air in it and for this reason the seal of the puncture, made with silicone surface-shaft-contact, does not need to be perfect. Just slightly tight. And that was the 4th nox that leaked. On the same spot - power button. But this time the leakage was just tiny drop of silicone oil out. No water got in the detector. This time I sealed the contact line of power button rubber and plastic with special glue. No way it will fail again. And it is working perfectly ever since, for years now. And I am spending so much in the water diving with it.
Wow!
Eye opening video for me. I am going to be careful to keep mine dry for sure now. I really like it but the purchase price was hard for me to justify once on tight budget.
Oh no, I'd better check my nox 800 for cracks !! Thanks for the info Gig! I hope to be able to afford the Manticore when its available.
Thanks Gig. I guess I am one of the lucky ones. My 800 is not quite a year old and I submerge it in lakes quite a bit and have not had a problem. My hunting buddy has been taking his in lakes for a couple of years and so far, so good. I will keep an eye on it though. Thanks for showing us exactly where the issues may arise so we can watch out for it.
They need to go a carbon fiber case and like someone commented with a pressure relief.Gig, they really do need you for a designer. (No joke) Thanks for the videos, Happy Hunting 😎😉
Mine leaked too Steve and stopped working right. Thankfully they replaced it under warranty. They have a 3 year warranty on this part is what I learned.
I use the Nox 800 and have done for about 3 years, I just checked that same area on mines and it’s still perfect, but I only search inland sites here in Scotland, the machine has never been submerged.
Keep gettin up!
I like the NOX 800 a lot too. It is however an eye opener in a way and tends to make one wonder about a couple of things. Like, where's Minelabs QC department and why do they allow a model to be manufactured with a known flaw? Looking forward to the Manticore too. I only hope they've learned from the mistakes they made with the NOX.
Gig, Thank you for your research. Look forward to your findings after the "dissection." It's obvious yours leaked at the charging port. Mine leaked through the "speaker holes" after a large wave knocked me over and the powerful rip tide dragged my 800 about 10 feet before I could grab it. The force of the water penetrated the speaker holes. I know this because in addition to water flodding my screen, I had many graines of sand inside the screen too (no other area could have allowed sand to penetrate). After my experience and your dry ice test, I'm CONVINCED there are at least 2 leaking locations. Currently I'm using the replacement pod from PA. (Don't trust it) We need to have assurances from Minelab the "Beast???" won't leak. It is a great company but needs to be accountable if I'm to get one. Until they are... I'm leaning towards a D2. The D2 has proven itself!!! Minelab has a lot at stake here. For their sake and ours, I hope they step up!
Great information gig
Sometimes i really have to wrangle around the charger magnetic end to release it from the unit.
Mine finally failed, im mailing it out today.
I definitely need a backup machine.
now i just took a zoomed photo of the charging port and it has one crack to the headphone port.
Thanks for trying to help us out with solutions.
Miy Equinox also leaked this July and was at PA repair for 3 weeks and finally sent me a new pod.
Great video. Am now going to wait on buying the new Beast.
It's crap no better than what you already have
@@beachjunkies2378 -and you know that how…? It hasn’t even been released……🤷♂️
@@Aquabob1 my friend has it it's been out in the UK
They need a pressure relief membrane on the 800 just like on the D2.
I thought the small hole in the battery compartment ‘door’ covered by something called gore-valve (I guess it’s like a goretex membrane), is the pressure relief port.
Gig I have owned about all the best water machines ,if you use them 24-7 in the water as I do they will all leak sooner or later ,but the Nox is the worse I have seen,if you are a serious hunter you keep at least 2 good machines,if the Maniticore has the same problem it is up shitt creek KEEP ON DIGGIN
Thank you for the info Gigmaster! Happy hunting and be safe! 🏴☠️🛫🛫🛫
I will hold out on the Manticore, Love my Deus 2! I have had a few 800's leak and the most recent one was out of warranty. Minelab sent me a new 800 pod with 3 year warranty shipped for $429 back in July. A friend of mine just paid for her 800 pod out of warranty replacement yesterday and the price is now $459 shipped. That's a clever way to check your detector for leaks! I used a latex glove banded to the handle and a small aquarium pump. I can send pictures of the Equinox interior all torn apart if you need them.
Yes send to gigmaster2718@gmail.com
Well worked out Steve, brilliant demonstration 👍🇬🇧
What concerns me is that minelab did not give any longer warranty with the manticore. The Deus 2 has a two year longer warranty and so far no issues.
Outstanding demonstration of how it can leak. I sure hope Minelab has looked into this. To use dry ice was epic to prove your leak issue!
In all honesty, I really don't think they have. I am on my 4th replacement in a year. Not a single fix for the problem. I have called and complained so many times. I would honestly be shocked if the Manticore does not leak.
Hey gig , same opinion here love the 800 but have not submerged it ever because of the quick reviews about leaking I’ll just keep it for wet sand and land . I think the design of the charging port is great…… I believe the issue is the wrong or inferior materials. I have a Minelab pro pointer 35 that developed the same cracks in the shaft with very light use absolutely no abuse! Probably the same material. Luckily I saw the cracks before it ever got wet and sealed them all with super glue but will still never submerge it. Kinda sucks having something that’s supposed to be “waterproof “ and it’s not. Have been in wading depth with my Deus 2 and MI6 pin pointer and so far no leaks . Want to try the Manticore also but am very leary of leaking possibility. Thanks for all your vids👍
I normally think your videos are way off the mark (wrong in a few points)
But this one was spot on
Brilliant leak test! Thanks for sharing. 🤙Cheers, #SeattleRingHunter
Great job Gig thank you for sharing with us.
as usual your advice is spot on I still have 100 percent confidence in all of your evaluations of detectors and equipment keep being honest , everything has happened just as you said it would let me know of ant deus 2 short comings thanks it helps me prepare for failure til next video steve.
Thanks Gigmaster good for thought. My thinking is if Minelab produces another leaking waterproof machine, they will never recover as all confidence in them will be gone.
Manticore is a strange machine.
The most desired up-and-coming machine. With brand new stock carbon shaft and armcup.
Then you mount the detector, and suddenly notice that is "whobble" because of 3 spares. Ok, is good for transport and underwater, but hell...the 2 pieces from Detect-ed is perfectly "fixed", It´s another swing.
The armcup is flexible. Wow, no breaks at all. But it´s bloody too flexible!!! have you ever tried in shallow water? A nightmare.
Hope someone gets a solution, like the Equinox, for those 2 parts. I do trust the community.
I´ve already seen a drowned machine, but i don´t know what is really happened. Could be an user fault...dunno. Anyway, the system is the same of the nox. Maybe with 2 0-rings i don´t remember well. There is a video of replacing unit where you can see when pushing the battery out. Same hole for the pressure too.
I don´t now why they didn´t adopt a system like nokta makro (with flat battery into the pod).
Thanks for the update. Where did you hear of the leakage?
Minelab have got to get this new machine right. I had 2 equinoxes, the first one flooded, the second one the arm cuff broke and l take care of my detectors. The standard shaft was bad and it was nose heavy. It irritated the hell out of me. A great machine poorly built. Im hoping the manticore has none of these build problems. At the price it will be it should be perfect.
The Deus 2 has two different plugs, one for diving, which completely seals it, and one for land, which lets the machine breath. If you leave the diving one in, while on land, it will over pressurize from the heat. I wonder if MineLab machines are able to fully breath, due to their waterproofing. So, they get cracks from the heat, and leak in the water.
Gigmaster, by the way, I just emailed my thoughts, and referred Dankowski to this video with the dry ice test. Hopefully, MineLab will look into it.
Do you receive a repair box as a gift when you buy the Manticore? The Equinox is still in my memory!
Morning Gigmaster
Maybe if you cut it open, clean it up, MAYBE, just maybe you can get it working again. Good luck.
save your money for a rainy day.
I've had 3 leakquinoxes, the first one flooded, the second one the arm cuff broke. A brilliant machine poorly built.
Thanks for the information Steve. I have an 800....had it for over two years and unfortunately I have never had a chance to use it. I've mainly been using my Garrett ATPro. I will make certain that I do not submerge the computing unit in water. Have you ever tried the tape that they advertise on TV...I believe it's called "Flex Tape". Would that work by placing that over the back of the CPU? Thanks again for great videos!!!
Johnboy put that over his speaker but it would not have helped the charge port.
I put rubber cement glue on mine.to protect the magnet.
Gig I hope minelab sees this video.
what's the detector that you had issues with? and what's the fix? hopefully not the legend I just bought it!
Not the legend! As far as I know the Legend has never leaked!
What about the Deus it has so many charging ports. What's the difference in the charging ports?
It is through a plug not exposed to elements
Well call me a dumb ass...I just pre ordered one! I have a deus2 and an 800 as well. I beach hunt occasionally but don't water hunt ...wish me luck...lol
Do you go in the water with it?
@@Gigmaster I had second thoughts this morning and cnx my manticore pre order. I have the deus2 ws6 master and have grown fond of it, so I ordered a deus2 remote instead...better to master one detector...lol
I think the cracking is a manufacturers defect....there's no way you can cause those cracks just by plugging and unplugging the charger......It's not even a deep socket....it's basically a magnet that holds it on.
Agreed!
Test the little hole in the battery bung that has the white material over it.
How about the new units? Yours is years old and dry rotted
There are new ones that leak and they are not cracked like yours
Mine hasn’t leaked, YET. I did put waterproof grease over the little white hole in the battery bung.
Mine is only 3 months old
Before you cut it apart, seal up all those cracks around the charge port with silicone. Then add the dry ice like before, submerge it the same way, but completely in deeper water. Watch and see if any bubbles come out from the battery bung/ seal plug. I bet it bubbles out of that little 3/16” white vent hole.
That’s not good pay $1000 dollars for a Meal detector. Crazy.
I met a guy last week while vacationing at OBX that had a waterproof equinox head unit designed by a guy in Ukraine. He said you can’t currently get them because of the Russian invasion. I wish I would have questioned him more about it but I didn’t want to interrupt his detecting. Have you heard anything about it? Thanks Gigmaster.
Yes I was looking into it before war started.
That guy's nickname is Sea Ghost. It seems he's resumed production of waterproof boxes for Equinox 800 recently. The guy is from Mariupol, if I'm not mistaken. You can find him on Instagram.
Gigmaster stick with your other devices don't waste your hard earned money on the new minelab I think they should give everyone a refund for the NOX because they all flood and it seems to me that they really don't care about it and the other new detector is no better than the nox trust me don't run out to get it just because it's new
The Manti should have a 5 year warranty since it is such a rip off.
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Manticore costs £50 to make) looking at £1800 in the U.K to buy greedy
Too much plastic crap make it out of aluminum it's light
My God your beating a dead horse here always talking about the equinox leaking. Give the new machine a chance.
The manticore seems like it's a good detector if you are the kind of person that spends five minutes scanning and analyzing a target before you decide to dig it....Not me.......Dig everything that way you know for sure...
I will not buy a manticore until they refund me for all the broken coil ears and flooded controll heads i had to buy after my warranty ran out on the nox. Which probably means I won’t be getting a manticore
And if you can find the source of leaking, don't you think mine lab would have been able to do the same and fix the damn problem? But they don't, they keep putting out the same Equinox junk knowing well that the water damage can occur over and over again. I won't buy any metal detector from mine lab for this reason!
I think it's all about competition minelab got afraid because Deus 2 came out and everyone was buying it and minelab was thinking hard how to make money fast so they took two machines they already have and made it into one for $1600 just so they had a new detector on the market and was making money
Coin leak...
Just buy a simplex and save your money.👽NM
Unfortunately the manticore has the same type of charging port. www.minelab.com/__files/f/488372/4901-0315-1%20GSG,%20MTCR%20EN_WEB.pdf