I live in the Bible belt and the first time I said I didn't see the point in being Christian I got assaulted. It would be nice if I had the right to be able to actually speak without getting hit. I knew many children who were abused because of their parents' religious beliefs, it would be nice if their parents didn't have the right to abuse their children under the guise of religious ceremony.
I've been on both sides of that. Chastised by "chruchians" for my questions and/or disbelief, but later on in life was ridiculed by others for expressing my experiences seeking the truth and God.
Yeah, lots of red flags in your anecdotal account. Occam's razor would suggest the reason you got hit was you got fresh with that person or group. That is the simpler explanation, it is also the most reasonable. No one has the right to abuse children....no where in the bible does it allow a parent to abuse their children. So any "religious ceremony" would be a man made construct as opposed to a biblical one.
@Brandon Letzco Lol I wasn't responding to any of your comments. My response was to K Hewitt He states (quoting) I live in the Bible belt and the first time I said I didn't see the point in being Christian I got assaulted. It would be nice if I had the right to be able to actually speak without getting hit. I knew many children who were abused because of their parents' religious beliefs, it would be nice if their parents didn't have the right to abuse their children under the guise of religious ceremony.
Very lucky that I live in Scandinavia where the need for a very strong and vocal atheist movement isn't required. We're mostly atheists and religion isn't a topic for the major political parties.
I hear this a lot, but you do have a number of neighbours that religion does inform their politics. While I wouldn't be worried about your parties, I would still have concern that some people in your countries might be influenced by that wave of authoritarian right wing thoughts that seem attached to religion in your region.
@fatopossum it's the other way around. Muslims becomes atheist and it's why some visiting imams are really aggressive. They are fighting a losing battle.
@@_Omega_Weapon no it's not. Bunch of lies. Some are aggressive because they know they don't stand a chance in the long run. Many 2nd generation immigrants are only Muslim in a cultural sense.
@@MadebyJimbob there is no good thing that religion only can offer over secular things. On the flip side, many wrongs are specifically religious in origin.
@@MadebyJimbob i have a book recommendation for you, Stephen Pinker's "Better Angels of Our Nature". Here he takes an analytic data driven approach to the question of moral progress.
It absolutely baffles me that some atheists can’t see how these issues are tied to religion(s). My daughter is an open atheist in the Army. Her dog tag says “atheist” on it and I got my first tattoo, of that dog tag, on my left arm. While atheists are “welcome” in the Army, some of her superiors have said “the quiet part” quietly to their peers and it has caused uncomfortability for her and she suspects, the slowing down of promotions and coin awards. While they’re careful with what they say, she knows what the reality is. Free time on Sundays for the religious and for the atheist……cleaning time.
I went through that in Marine Corps boot camp (2013), I am an Atheist and on sundays i got fucking destroyed for a few hours by myself, often with 3 or 4 drill instructors scream spitting in my face while all the religious recruits got to relax and be left alone. I never got the option to get "Atheist" on my dog tags though, mine just say "No Rel Pref" which since it isn't a religion i guess makes sense.
@@Giddyboon That was similar to my experience. When everyone else went to the chapel, we had to mow the lawns, paint the rocks, or some other coercive and punitive activity.
That's really awful about yours and others here experiences. I'm outside of America so no forced patriotic conscription (I couldn't think of anything worse). The Army are not scientists and psychologists, more brute force and be tough! Intellectuals wouldn't be high up on the list. (although I'm sure they have vast employment options in there). I'm aware some of your states had 'In God We Trust' stickers on their cars! THIS alone informs me that America is way behind on secular NON religous government. Sometimes when I've mentioned this before, the replier says: Oh that's in the Sothern or Bible belt states. But that irrelevant, it wouldn't matter what state its in, police (and Army) and any government is suppose to be NON religous. As it is in ANY secular country bar America. Similar to that blue line flag, in respect to fallen police or something? That's defacing the country's flag irrespective who changes it to what. Visitors to your country are just going to be utterly confused (as might be the intention upon the citizens there). Just horrible.
Completely agree with this video. I am gay, and the primary opposition for gay marriage was religion. Without that, there was really no basis in which one could object to it. I was absolutely looking forward to the Supreme Court arguments because I knew they couldn't argue religious points there, and I listened to the entire oral arguments of the Windsor case. It was an absolute mess for the litigator arguing against gay marriage. Pretty much his biggest point was that gay people couldn't procreate and marriage facilitated that. One of the female Justices asked about an 80 year old couple that couldn't procreate- should they be able to get married? The litigator said that they can still procreate. The ENTIRE court erupted in laughter, and a male Justice said, "I don't think many babies are coming out of that marriage." What is sad is that despite this case being an OBVIOUS mess for the anti-gay litigation team, they still only lost by 1 vote. While there is much more that goes into consideration other than oral arguments for a SCOTUS decision, it demonstrated to me that even an impartial, sophisticated body such as the high court is likely still prone to religious bias. Though, I can understand the opposing side of the issue you present, Matt. The debate between black rights and women's rights with Frederick Douglass and Clara Barton (black rights movement vs women's rights movement) is a prime example. History does suggest that there is only so much reform that society can handle at one time. But I still tend towards Matt's side, and a quote from the fantastic movie The Great Debators Comes to Mind. "The time for justice, the time for freedom, and the time for equality is always, always right now."
Clearly gay marriage is about equal access to the benefits provided by tax dollars paid by gay people that we pay for and do receive (and others). It is a civil rights issue, the religious rationalizations are misdirection. They don't want you to have the same rights because of prejudice, pure and simple, IMHO.
Just found you on youtube. You have way more patience than I. I am more like Hitchens. I have developed much disdain for religion and theists. At some point we just have to write off these cultists. Best of luck man. You are def fighting the good fight. It is very difficult to bring theists back to reality. They have been indoctrinated since birth.
Hihihi boy have you taken Matt the wrong way , check out atheist experience this Sunday evening and see what he’s really like , he’s literally got a show called the hang up playing on the theist ( and atheist ) experience on the atheist experience, it’s great fun Edit there’s also a whole community on TH-cam
@@bemhibbits4157 I checked him out. He is very simple in his method. He is worth listening to but i still enjoy Hitchens, Dawkins, and Harris the most. Any atheist willing to refute religion is def worth listening to. Thanks for the advice.
Let's see where, when and what indoctrination is practiced in institutions which, unlike the churches, are mandatory for children, so no matter wanted or not, by the parents and/or children, they are inoculated with the delusion of the Universe out of nothing... That's the way the detractors of own Creator manage to delude and fabricate a deluded and immoral society, by bypassing the right of the parents to chose if the idea of all out of nothing is inoculated into their children or not. That mandatory inoculation is filthy and unrightful and now they got to the next step, evilish inoculation the minds of the children with sex at ages they don't have either the interest, nor the biological development to sustain such acts... Furthermore the next step is already taken, inoculating all the people with harmful substances they call vaccine, mandatory as the time got by... The more we accept, the more they push on us... Indoctrination is what they did on you and did pretty on all the people in the institutions they call educational system, where they lied to us all that the Universe, you and we all included, would've appeared out of nothing and with no cause, thus betraying the very science they preach to serve. And they did such indoctrination beginning with ages we weren't even able to think properly and doubt their knowledge or honesty, let alone having the audacity to challenge their honesty and knowledge. However, the difference between you and l is that while l awake out of their delusion, you still swim in it, most probably because you found a service in pretending that fornication, greed, lie, gossip and perhaps many other sins and issues would be ok, since you deny God, The One Who gave the Ten Commandments...
Thanks for what you do, Matt. My own engagement in the atheist movement started after having been to college in Louisiana (I am from Sweden) and realising that the friends I left behind after graduating, both in the US and in other countries have their rights more suppressed than I’ve ever experienced myself. And Donne is right: no man is an island and the bell tolls for me. Sweden still has its Act of Succession, a part of our constitution, requiring the head of state to be of a particular christian “confession”. Far-right parties, both neofascist and christian, threaten women’s rights all over Europe. The fight is not over here either.
If women's rights to you, means to remove by robbing the father's rights in the family and grant parental rights only to the mothers in case of divorce or separation and to grant to the women the (wrong) right to murder own and men's children in the womb and to introduce quota of women bureaucrats in production companies where for example in Germany for 1000 handworkers they have to hire 400 women in bureaus with fat salaries so many just do nothing but cash in and create a burden on companies and society, (nobody can pretend that there are 400 jobs in bureaus needed for 1000 production workers), then that's no women's rights but robbing the men of their rights for the benefit of women. That's no women's rights but robbing rights from men and adding them to women, that's discrimination against men based on sexual criteria. Disgratulations, they successfully fooled you. May God make justice.
I was born in 1974, I was raised Catholic, went weekly to CCD, as I went to a public school. My parents were not particularly religious, we didn’t do any familial bible study, didn’t really pray. We went to church on Christmas and Easter only. I was never really a believer but never called myself an atheist either. I just went to CCD, listened to them ramble on and went on my way and forgot it right when I got home. I used to identify as conservative. I abhorred illegal immigration, thought affirmative action was unnecessary and was “Pro-life”. I thought welfare was more abused than used. When it came to social issues I was passionately indifferent. In that I had zero hatred for gays/minorities/etc, I thought using government resources on stuff like gay marriage was just a waste of time. As I wasn’t consciously aware of personality knowing anybody I cared about that was gay and being hurt as a result of the social climate. Not even aware that it was that very climate that scared them into remaining in the closet. It was a case of “it doesn’t effect me or my loved ones so how bad can it be”. I was stupid. I was ignorant. Then with the emergence of TH-cam and evolution of the internet as a source of hearing other voices, I began to dig into my disbelief in god and embrace that disbelief rather than ignore it. I binge watched TH-cam videos from The Thinking Atheist, NonStampcollector, EbolaWorld, AronRa and of course The Atheist Experience. I owned my disbelief and became outspoken about the ridiculousness of religion and the bullshit influence it has on society. And in doing so I found my conservative beliefs starting to erode. As I started looking at them objectively and honestly. Exploring how and why I had acquired those beliefs in the first place. It wasn’t necessarily my parents. My dad was left-leaning middle up to the day he died and my mom used to be apolitical, but today is very liberal. My conservative beliefs were more influenced by friends and associates more than anything. Working and living in a town of primarily white, church going families. But after stepping back and looking at myself and why I held those beliefs I got very angry at myself. As i bought full into the anti-immigrant, anti-welfare, social-apathetic bullshit that I detest today. I was so buried in privilege that I thought anyone who was complaining were simply lazy or just had an attitude problem. And I absolute credit my coming around to embracing my atheism as the reason I abandoned those beliefs. Today I am a passionate advocate of gay rights, civil rights, racial rights, immigration reform….everything the right wingers label as “social justice warriors”. I am an outspoken, unapologetic progressive. I don’t necessarily identify as liberal per se, it is more a case of despising conservative ideology than embracing liberal ideology. I fully support most liberal causes but I still disagree with some. I am definitely someone my 2004 self would hate. I am not ashamed of my old self, I never explicitly supported anything that today’s conservatives stand for. But I do have “Ideological regret” that I was so easily misled and influenced. Today I have several gay family members, a trans nephew. And while I never would have rejected them even in my past, I ignored the need of that community for support and allies back then. My atheism made me see things more clearly and honestly. Keep it up Matt, been watching you and the Atheist Experience for some 15 years now. It makes a difference.
You and ACA convinced me that there is still a value in fighting for better world in my country, Poland. You woke me up from that bizzare slumber I have been for at least 10-15 years. I will try to carry on your work here, around me, doing the best I can. It is empowering knowing that I can see history of your organisation. All your shows, podcasts, discussions and debates. Because that knowledge is the road you carved for others, like me, to pass faster and easier in achieving our mutual goal. Thank you for that! Don't stop "mission drifting" ;) It is working exactly like you said.
Atheism is a belief in multiple senses, while the most insane and anti empirical science is that you believe that the Universe came out of nothing, without a cause and without a creator. Secondly is a dishonest proposition because no one can prove God doesn't exist because nobody is able to check at once all there is, any other eventual dimensions included to acknowledge there is no God and could even less provide the evidence for that. If however someone would be able to perform the aforementioned, he/she would prove the opposite of the intended, omnipresence being not available for people but a godly trait, that person would prove to be God him/herself. But as revealed, since our empirical observation requires a source, a cause and a creator for the Universe as we know it, atheism is a lie, dishonesty or ignorance at best. Because nobody can check all there is at once, one could pretend to be at best agnostic but then again, this by ignoring the empirical observation that everything needs a source and a cause and order, laws, systems, fine tuning, information, language and life do require an intelligent creator and would still have to ignore the sheer amount of all sort of evidence and testimonies. Then atheism also means ignoring the sheer amount of testimonies along the history, the sheer amount of scientific data evidence for creation and a young Solar System and Earth gathered in the last decades and would also mean ignoring multiple pieces of evidence for God of the Bible. So yes, atheism is a belief against empirical observation, against science, against testimonies and against evidence. Atheism is only a dishonest proposition and blinding tool propaganda for those who want to live lose and immoral and intent to fool the others to besmirch themselves too in the same stinky puddle of immoral dirt. Atheism is therefore the worst sort of dishonest and/or ignorant belief and l'd say, taking into account that the eternal life is at risk, the most detrimental and destructive belief, actually delusion. Atheism can't even be named a honest belief, because everyone knows ultimately by own empirical observation that everything needs a source and a cause. But if you or anubody else for that matter, is able to present evidence for something coming out of nothing, please present it, out up or shut up and acknowledge your Creator and God and His creation of the Universe true.
@@robertdumicz7309 You are just being silly, without any respect or concern for knowledge or the human condition. Your only concern is trying to justify your limited perspective against a vast array of more serious people who are truly attempting to understand the universe, nature, and humanity’s hopes for the future. Mythology, such as what your views represent, is a dead end and gives our species no hope.
@@larryparis925 So you believe, contrary to the empirical evidence and even contrary your own empirical observation in the Universe our of nothing but name me silly instead... Evidence for God of the Bible and for creation: In the CMB is found and visible a structure of the form of a cross, now guess how the secular scientists named it, "the axis of evil", for it proves the Earth to be in the center of the Universe which is evidence for creation and confirming the Bible, for what are the chances for the Earth to find itself by hazzard middle such enormous Universe..? Kind of like 0,0000000000000000000000000001% perhaps..? Alone this piece of evidence proves creation beyond any reasonable doubt. This is another piece of evidence for the special position and wonderful creation by God our Creator and another confirmation of the Bible where it reveals that the earth was created before the other celestial bodies in the Universe. But instead acknowledging it to simbolize the Cross of Christ, they name it the axis of evil, for those sold to the devil the white is black while the black is white... Here the quote of a famous scoffer and secular scientist, none other than Lawrence Krauss after he wrote a book, "A Universe out of nothing" which book found that many poor deluded souls to buy it, that it climbed into the top charts of bestsellers for a while, quote: -"Lawrence Krauss is quoted as follows in a 2006 Edge .org article:[5] But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That's crazy. We're looking out at the whole universe. There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun - the plane of the earth around the sun - the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe."-end quote. The title to google for: axis of evil cosmology And again a Yt search: "Dr. Robert Sungenis: Axis of evil" First satellite to survey the CMB sent was COBE in 1990, it discovered the structure in the CMB which reveals the Earth middle of the Universe. Pretending to be a error, they sent another satellite Duby a map, The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe in 2001, the results the same, Earth in the center, what they tried to do they said that would've been some kind of error, for the second time ! So they sent another satellite, Planck Spacecraft in 2009 which ended its survey in 2013, with same exact results, the Earth is the center of the Universe ! Then other 2 documentaries on YT: 1.(Undebunkable) Cosmic Microwave Background Proves Intelligent Design- but by whom? 2. You are the center of the Universe, and here is why | The Science of Elite #6 There are also a multitude of other articles on that. Furthermore in the following article are written down another 12 scientific facts written of in the Bible and acknowledged to be true only in the last decades with the newest scientific technology, so give a Gg search for: Science and the Bible - NASA agrees with the Bible | Facts ... The Holy Light which is given from above only to the orthodox patriarch since centuries in Jerusalem at the celebration of Christ's resurrection out of the tomb Christ layed for 3 days in, it is a light/fire which doesn't burn anything and isn't hot for about 20 minutes, it is only about 42C° lukewarm measured and analysed by a scientist, so in the time span of about 20 min the people put the flames of 33 candles, huge flames in their beards, hair, faces, eyelids and eye brows, without becoming living torches but not even their facial/hair burn, whereas such cold fire can't be provided by human beings, nor by natural processes, hence that is the evidence of a genuine God's wonder, there from the light is spread and given into the whole orthodox christian world, the YT titles to search for: A. "Holy Light (Holy Fire) in Jerusalem: Proofs & Testimonies" B. "For the Faithless - The Proof of the Holy Fire of Jerusalem" C. "The Holy Fire in Scripture, History, and Science". God of the Bible and His creation of the Universe are proven true.
@@larryparis925 You come out of nothing, your purpose is nothing, you become nothing, there's nothing to hope for, you reduce yourself to nothing, that's your personal and the "hope of the species", nothing, or nothing good at least, with all those weapons of mass destruction, wars and crimes, with all the wickedness and greed... Since we, the "great specie" came to even kill own children in the womb, we can fathom at least, how deep we're fallen... The Earth gets wiped out, sooner or later, rather sooner than later and that's it! Les jeux sont fait, rien va plus... That's your religion and belief, the religion that offers nothing... The hope in the eternal life and perfect happiness loving and being loved by own Creator and Savior as also all the others around isn't sadly something for you... Because you like and enjoy wickedness and are addicted to different sort of sins, as fornication and you name it. The moral promiscuity which diminishes the human value is cherished and trendy these days... Those addictions are also the reason why you sell your honesty, making believe you believe in the Universe out of nothing, knowing that our Creator dislikes the immorality.
I am both an Atheist as well as a 2nd Amendment supporter. I have never been a member of the NRA. I large part because it seemed to me that they took on social issues far outside the scope of our 2nd Amendment. Things in many cases I couldn’t get behind. So this issue of mixing social issues surrounding Atheism with other social issues is one I am wary about. While I support marriage equality and the right to choose, I know many Atheist are anti 2A. And the more social issues you tie to Atheist organizations, the more people you alienate. Focus on Separation of Church and State (Gov and public schools). Work on social acceptance of Atheist. Get rid of bias in courts (parental rights etc). Crack down on discrimination in our military. We have plenty to work on within our own community. You want to support those causes; go as an individual and support the organizations who champion those causes and are passionate about those causes. And if you meet Atheist among them; invite them to join this cause. But do not tie them together.
@@SansDeity; Well I probably wouldn’t be as successful as yourself. You have a good platform and you speak very well. But you are a bit of an a$$. Which you know. But I enjoy much of your content. I do have a group I started though. Did a while ago. Nowhere near as large or influential as your though. So thank you for the suggestion and good luck. I just voiced a point of view I was hoping (even if you didn’t agree with) you would at least take seriously. I listened to your entire video and though you made very good points. I definitely agree with the link you made between Religious privilege and policy decisions that affect us all. While a fair point, I thought I made at least an articulate fair counter point.
@@SansDeity You're buying into the delusion of the Universe out of nothing and without a cause and worst is that you are deluding others too. And this with the purpose to pretend that since you deny our Creator, neither His expectancies that we live a moraly life would be true, so we, you actually, may besmirch yourselves in any sin and immorality, as booze, fapping while watching porn, fornication, lie, hate people, cheat and gossip and so on. You kind of guess what's immoral, for God ingrained in us the conscience, a sort of compass to guide us so we know right from wrong. Matt Dillahunty l challenge you to address each piece of evidence in the following documentary videos l post, until you do address with scientific scrutiny each piece of evidence, God and creation are proven true. I wrote to you in the comments section of one of your previous clips but to no avail, you kept silent, why would it be..? Silence is an answer too, you've lost and God is proven true. You can't evade the empirical known facts, everything needs a source and a ultimate eternal source and cause, order requires an intelligent agent, fine tuning requires a highly skilled and intelligent creator, life require life to come out of, information in DNA and the language to read that information, both found in DNA, require a high intelligence and many known laws are violated by an Universe out of nothing with no cause and no creator. I may name them but l prefere to once more prove creation with scientific data and with quotes of secular scientists, meanwhile to kill your evil-ution-ism in another way, by falsifying the idea of an old Solar System and Universe with the aforementioned pieces of evidence and quotes, with other words to shot two rabbits with a bullet, figuratively writing. Let's begin with proving a young Solar System and creation with a sheer amount of scientific data discovered and received by mostly secular scientists in the last decades, so give a Yt search for; "What you aren't being told about astronomy vol.1" and then 2 and 3 for the Universe and its origins. There along with a sheer amount of data which falsify an old Solar System and big bang idea and reveal creation, you and anyone may read quotes of those secular scientists acknowledging their own ideas falsified by the data received, along with the references and the time stamps of those particular quotes to be able to double check them. Meanwhile creation is again proven true, this time here and for all of you. Also meanwhile evolution is falsified by revealing that the pretended millions and billions of years they claim would sufice that such process could happen, are actually missing from Earth's history. In the near future l might have the pleasure to falsify once more, directly this time, that idea which actually is already revealed to be evil-ution-ism. Someone has yet to bring evidence for a case when something came out of nothing and without a cause and order, systems and information don't require an intelligent creative agent. Until then creation is proven true by empirical observation, logic, common sense and a sheer amount of evidence presented in the afore posted documentary videos. For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries. Robert Jastrow, God and the Astronomers Visual pieces of evidence for God of the Bible: 1. Turin Shroud: A. "BBC SHROUD OF TURIN NEW EVIDENCE" B. "Turin Shroud: The New Evidence (Shroud of Turin) | History Documentary | Reel Truth History". 2. (A honest guy alone by the fact that there are over 300 legends around the globe about the great flood, would acknowledge it for real): Here the YT title to search for: "The REAL Noah's Ark FOUND by Archaeologist Ron Wyatt! - Short Documentary" The flood, about which many nations left legends and testimonies, out of its results Charles Lyell, in his attempt to deny God too, drawn an imaginary fossil record as it would take billions of years to lay it down, when we observe hardly any fossilising process nowadays but there are cemeteries with billions of plants and animals buried and even on the top of Himalaya mountains are found fossilised clams and fish. Additionally it has to be said that the fossilising process doesn't take long according to the newest empirical observation. 3. Sodom and Gomorrah where it is indeed found brimstone fallen just like the rain on burned out cities, the scientists analysed the brimstone found there and is of about 98,400% purity and such concentration of sulfur isn't found in nature anywhere else, hence, the evidence being a genuine action of God, whereas there are other chemical compounds in it, which just raise the temperature, there is also visible the salt/stoned wife of Lot... The YT title to search for: "Sodom and Gomorrah- proof of the supernatural". 4. The bottom of the Red Sea where the people of Israel crossed it when God provided them a passage, there are found wheels from the carriages belonging to the era when the Egyptians used indeed such constructive models, four spiked for example, right at the bottom of the shallower and only place where the sea could be passed. The Gg title to search for: "Red Sea Crossing - Ark Discovery" 5. The Holy Light which is given from above only to the orthodox patriarch since centuries in Jerusalem at the celebration of Christ's resurrection out of the tomb Christ layed for 3 days in, it is a light/fire which doesn't burn anything and isn't hot for about 20 minutes, it is only about 42C° warm measured and analysed by a scientist, so in the time span of about 20 min the people put the flames of 33 candles, huge flames in their beards, hair, faces, eyelids and eye brows, without becoming living torches but not even their facial/hair burn, whereas such cold fire can't be provided by human beings, nor by natural processes, hence that is the evidence of a genuine God's wonder, there from the light is spread and given into the whole orthodox christian world, the YT titles to search for: A. "Holy Light (Holy Fire) in Jerusalem: Proofs & Testimonies" B. "For the Faithless - The Proof of the Holy Fire of Jerusalem" C. "The Holy Fire in Scripture, History, and Science".
@@diablosmda324 In my mind they tend to be tied together, to some extent at least. That's because I tend to see religion as serving a particular purpose that is contingent on material circumstances. Dunno if "evolutionary" would fit the bill, but it's at least a purpose in the sense of promoting group cohesion and stability. The basic idea would be that the more stability and human flourishing you have, the less religion is needed. So when I think about how to get rid of religion, I don't think so much about convincing individuals to change their beliefs, but rather about how to improve their material conditions so that religion isn't all that necessary anymore. Give people job security, a reliable retirement scheme and hope for their children and you're already well underway to minimize the hold religion has on society. To my mind, it's not particularly surprising that the US is the outlier among all industrialised nations in terms of religiosity. It has far fewer social safety nets than the rest, which creates the gap in stability that religion can then fill. Re: the second amendment specifically, I'd just say that a society that feels its citizens needed to be armed, whether that's to stave off tyranny or to protect themselves from criminals, well, that's not a society that has much stability, and therefore it's a society where religion will have a strong hold. That's not to say you should scrap that amendment right now. But if you can't get to a place where citizens no longer feel that amendment is necessary, then you won't get to a place where society can afford to be more secular. So, to me at least, it's not inconsistent to be atheist and pro second amendment, but it would be inconsistent to be an atheist who wants religion to dwindle in his society while at the same time supporting the kind of instability that makes people need religion in the first place.
What are we fighting for? The right to live a superstitious-free life, for one thing. The right to not have other people force their superstitious beliefs on us. That's just for starters.
@@krizula1117 There are no gods and there is no sin, lazy brains. You do know that hinduism is the world's eldest religion? So, you are obviously referring to Brahma. Tell me, how would you know if you have accrued enough good karma to avoid a lifetime in Naraka?
@Nathan Blair Do you think that all fiction is superstition? When you read "Alice in Wonderland", do you believe that those events happened in our shared reality? Oris it just language to inspire imagery in the mind? If you found a cake with a note that said, "Eat me", would you expect to shrink in size? You have been reminded of the accurate definitions of these two words, so now I will be on my way. I'm late, I'm late, I'm late! For a very important date!
@@krizula1117 Got any evidence your so-called god is more than superstitious nonsense? If you can't prove your so-called god is real sin is just an imaginary crime against it.
I became disillusioned with the atheist movement some years back for a number of reasons. One of the main ones was that huge sections of the community started to feel like predominantly straight, "white", cis, men of means turning into a victims group. Worse than that, many seemed like they wanted to keep it as closed off as possible too, as mentioned here. It was like they were more interested in patting eachother on the back for answering one question the same way and acting like it made them radically different people. Another is that in some ways it felt like normalization, assimilation, and the "we're just like you" approach was just not what I was looking for. Name a movement that it's worked for, there really aren't any. Surface level improvements at best. It's why most movements lack teeth and get nowhere in the end. And the thing that killed me the most was terms like "free thinker", "rationalist", "apistevist", "critical thinker", "skeptic", etc, being thrown around like not being religious was all that required, like answering"no" or "I don't know " to the god question meant a person didn't hold tons of other irrational positions and have sacred and off limits topics no different than the religious. I mostly saw so many people who weren't very rational about anything, that didn't think critically at all, that had sacred cows all over the place, that had topics - important topics that they wouldn't even discuss and clung to with blind faith, that lacked anything resembling free thought, and who weren't skeptical of anything but certain myths. Then we started seeing huge chunks lurch right and take on very reactionary positions that were nearly indistinguishable from evangelicals up to and including standing with them over anyone pushing towards equality. The world is big and complicated and I felt like I didn't belong in the movement at all. So I opted for a more holistic approach with the organizing and actions I'd already been doing for years. Even though I don't consider myself to be in the atheist movement like that anymore (I'm still an atheist fighting for all the same things, just a lot more than just those things) it's been great seeing that some people are taking that broader approach. Stay at it, family!
I whole heartedly agree that atheism should not take a 'we're just like you' weak relationship building stance. Atheism should be clear and direct, as you would find from a doctor's prognosis. Atheists need to inform this disillusioned theist that the theist's claim has not met the level of belief required.
Atheism is a belief in multiple senses, while the most insane and anti empirical science is that you believe that the Universe came out of nothing, without a cause and without a creator. Secondly is a dishonest proposition because no one can prove God doesn't exist because nobody is able to check at once all there is, any other eventual dimensions included to acknowledge there is no God and could even less provide the evidence for that. If however someone would be able to perform the aforementioned, he/she would prove the opposite of the intended, omnipresence being not available for people but a godly trait, that person would prove to be God him/herself. But as revealed, since our empirical observation requires a source, a cause and a creator for the Universe as we know it, atheism is a lie, dishonesty or ignorance at best. Because nobody can check all there is at once, one could pretend to be at best agnostic but then again, this by ignoring the empirical observation that everything needs a source and a cause and order, laws, systems, fine tuning, information, language and life do require an intelligent creator and would still have to ignore the sheer amount of all sort of evidence and testimonies. Then atheism also means ignoring the sheer amount of testimonies along the history, the sheer amount of scientific data evidence for creation and a young Solar System and Earth gathered in the last decades and would also mean ignoring multiple pieces of evidence for God of the Bible. So yes, atheism is a belief against empirical observation, against science, against testimonies and against evidence. Atheism is only a dishonest proposition and blinding tool propaganda for those who want to live lose and immoral and intent to fool the others to besmirch themselves too in the same stinky puddle of immoral dirt. Atheism is therefore the worst sort of dishonest and/or ignorant belief and l'd say, taking into account that the eternal life is at risk, the most detrimental and destructive belief, actually delusion. Atheism can't even be named a honest belief, because everyone knows ultimately by own empirical observation that everything needs a source and a cause. But if you or anubody else for that matter, is able to present evidence for something coming out of nothing, please present it.
@@robertdumicz7309 Extremely long reply you did, but I'm happy to inform you where you went wrong. Your 1st couple of lines and then your last line, and therefore encapsulating your entire post! It is YOU who believes something came out of nothing, not atheists remember? You believe with a blink of an eye or mere spoken words, that an entire universe of things came about! YOU believe in something from nothing. Since you could see that as argumentative, since you claim 1 thing, then I claim another, I'll make it easy for you. When the entire world did not know where powerful extremely loud and bright lightning came from, they deduced that only a God could create such a thing. I'm sure you too would had agreed at the time. Similar correlated misunderstandings, went with: mental illness caused by proposed demons; evil wicked witches casting spells (because how else do these women do it?) and so many more, here's one that constantly makes me laugh: A Creator God blinked the universe into existence! Lol to that one, thankfully we now know better than to jump to unsubstantiated irrational beliefs from beyond Lol. The time to believe in ANYTHING is after the evidence and reasoning is supplied, and never before (NEVER). However, if you do believe in your guess before the evidence and or reasoning is supplied, then you look like a gullible twit. Any evidence for your lightning God? Any evidence for your Creator God? GET IT YET? I realize it may take some time for you to say: Why the hell am I believing in this ridiculous claimed God. But evidence shows that people do let go of their absurd beliefs. I want to be very clear here to you. What you said was pathetic. This is not an attack on you, it's about your beliefs as you presented them. It is shameful of you, you embarrass yourself. I inform you of this fact, because if you ever do recover from your backward belief, you may say: Why didn't anyone inform me my belief was ridiculous. I just did, you're welcome.
@@kimsland999 God our Creator was, is and always will be, as GOD Himself stated: "l am Alpha and Omega, The BEGINNING and The END !" Be thankful to GOD for all the gifts and for His existence, because otherwise you wouldn't either be there! And indeed, scientifically empirical observation and evidence reveals that only from something something comes, if there were a time there was nothing, there couldn't ever be anything, not even time! Therefore a eternal source is the only viable and possible explanation. But as a source, be it eternal, lacks the creative power and intelligence to create order, fine tuned systems, information and language, life, The Creator is revealed by our empirical knowledge, logic and common sense. And sure enough the Bible which is the Book of books, among others, being the main and most comprehensive and detailed source of ancient history for the hystorians, reveals our Creator creating the Universe from out of space and time. Bible which is confirmed to reveal the truth whenever it touches scientific facts In the following article are written down 12 scientific facts written of in the Bible and acknowledged to be true only in the last decades with the newest scientific technology, so give a Gg search for: Science and the Bible - NASA agrees with the Bible | Facts ... Therefore God is necessary and mandatory, any other possibility being excluded according to our empirical knowledge but also according to the sheer amount of evidence l already presented a huge number of. To recapitulate, God always was, is and will be. God is timeless, He doesn't obey any of the parameters He created, as time, space, matter, nor decay.
@@kimsland999 God our Creator and The Creator of the Universe could've create the Universe out of nothing, in which case is a supernatural creation, or out of own energy, known being the fact that energy is matter in another form, so in this case the creation is as we call it, natural. Since we observe that anything has a source and a cause, God is supernatural but necessary according to our empirical knowledge that anything has to have a source and a cause. But since non eternal sources beg the question of their origins forever and push that question back forever, the logical and only possibility is God The Eternal Creator, but since a simple source, even if eternal doesn't sufice because according to our empirical knowledge order doesn't result by hazard out of chaos but a intelligent agent is needed, laws to govern the ordonated Universe have to have a law giver, the information and the language to read that information both found in DNA need intelligence behind, according to our empirical knowledge and life require life to come out of or be created by, no exception known either. So if anyone is able to present the evidence that something comes out of nothing and can ultimately save something from the question of its origins, can also present the evidence that there isn't any cause behind anything and any process, can prove that order, laws, information and language don't need a intelligent agent, then what the seculars propose, even if falsified by the sheer amount of evidence for God and creation, are proven to be natural models, until then, the big bang and abiogenesis/evolution, so the models proposed by seculars, are; Firstly supernatural because the matter of the Universe has no natural source, secondly supernatural because it has no cause, thirdly is supernatural because it has no point in time to take place, fourthly is supernatural because it has no point in space either, since before the apparition of the Universe there wasn't anything, fifthly is supernatural because the order seen in the Universe doesn't appear by itself according to empirical knowledge, sixthly is supernatural because according to our knowledge systems as the Solar System is, need a intelligent creator, seventhly it is supernatural because laws as those which govern the Universe as gravity and laws of physics, chemistry and biology require a law giver, eightly it is supernatural because also according to our empirical knowledge behind every bit of information and behind any language there is intelligence and ninethly is supernatural because only biogenesis is observed, no abiogenesis. Therefore by rejecting the only logical explanation which The Creator is, because is supernatural, you end up with multiple super-super-super-super-super-super-super-super-supernatural phenomenons.
My wife is from Uganda and I plan to eventually move there. The LGBTQIA community there live with death threats daily! And a lot of the reason is because American missionaries have gone there and persuaded their politicians to pass hateful laws that encourage violence! That's why I'll never be silent and I'll always fight for LGBTQIA rights!!
You have rights since God created us with a free will. Who forbid you or to those who enjoy that abomination towards our Creator, to sleep in bed with whoever you or they want..? But to proudly brag about in demonstrations and on the streets is decadence at worst and a shame. Nevertheless there is the freedom even for that. Don't even know if the so called protestant and Catholic are true churches of Christ.
@@larryparis925 Which rights our God and Creator has, escapes your, mine and anyone's jurisdiction. And if you mean fictional, then you should be able to falsify with scientific scrutiny, each piece of evidence: In the CMB is found an infrared visible structure of the form of a cross, now guess how the secular scientists named it, "the axis of evil", for it proves the Earth to be in the center of the Universe which is evidence for creation and confirming the Bible, for what are the chances for the Earth to find itself by hazzard middle such enormous Universe..? Kind of like 0,0000000000000000000000000001% perhaps..? Alone this piece of evidence proves creation beyond any reasonable doubt. This is another piece of evidence for the special position and wonderful creation by God our Creator and another confirmation of the Bible where it reveals that the earth was created before the other celestial bodies in the Universe. But instead acknowledging it to simbolize the Cross of Christ, they name it the axis of evil, for those sold to the devil the white is black while the black is white... Here the quote of a famous scoffer and secular scientist, none other than Lawrence Krauss after he wrote a book, "A Universe out of nothing" which book found that many poor deluded souls to buy it, that it climbed into the top charts of bestsellers for a while, quote: -"Lawrence Krauss is quoted as follows in a 2006 Edge .org article:[5] But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That's crazy. We're looking out at the whole universe. There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun - the plane of the earth around the sun - the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe."-end quote. The title to google for: axis of evil cosmology And again a Yt search: "Dr. Robert Sungenis: Axis of evil" First satellite to survey the CMB sent was COBE in 1990, it discovered the structure in the CMB which reveals the Earth middle of the Universe. Pretending to be a error, they sent another satellite Duby a map, The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe in 2001, the results the same, Earth in the center, what they tried to do they said that would've been some kind of error, for the second time ! So they sent another satellite, Planck Spacecraft in 2009 which ended its survey in 2013, with same exact results, the Earth is the center of the Universe ! Then other 2 documentaries on YT: 1.(Undebunkable) Cosmic Microwave Background Proves Intelligent Design- but by whom? 2. You are the center of the Universe, and here is why | The Science of Elite #6 There are also a multitude of other articles on that. Furthermore in the following article are written down another 12 scientific facts written of in the Bible and acknowledged to be true only in the last decades with the newest scientific technology, so give a Gg search for: Science and the Bible - NASA agrees with the Bible | Facts ... The Holy Light which is given from above only to the orthodox patriarch since centuries in Jerusalem at the celebration of Christ's resurrection out of the tomb Christ layed for 3 days in, it is a light/fire which doesn't burn anything and isn't hot for about 20 minutes, it is only about 42C° lukewarm measured and analysed by a scientist, so in the time span of about 20 min the people put the flames of 33 candles, huge flames in their beards, hair, faces, eyelids and eye brows, without becoming living torches but not even their facial/hair burn, whereas such cold fire can't be provided by human beings, nor by natural processes, hence that is the evidence of a genuine God's wonder, there from the light is spread and given into the whole orthodox christian world, the YT titles to search for: A. "Holy Light (Holy Fire) in Jerusalem: Proofs & Testimonies" B. "For the Faithless - The Proof of the Holy Fire of Jerusalem" C. "The Holy Fire in Scripture, History, and Science". God of the Bible and His creation of the Universe are proven true.
@@robertdumicz7309 You are engaging in pseudo science, with a heavy dose of confirmation bias. You want to put the burden of proof on other people to assess your personal, and mistaken, beliefs. How about you try to disapprove Thor, or Krishna, or Huitzilopochtli.
I just am amazed at the fact that theist proclaim this idea that they are the ones that are wanting the world to be a great place, that human beings should have wonderful lives, and no one should be left to suffer. But their entire world view affects the world, and everyone around them in quite the opposite way. And either they don't fully grasp that idea, or they don't want to understand it. And are willing to destroy the world to apiece their faith based beliefs.
Anyone living by the teachings of Christ, does and would make the world a better place, and would inherit the eternal life in God's Kingdom and perfect happiness. And because you claim that we only have faith based beliefs, i further down bellow falsify your claim, there is also evidence, a sheer amount of scientific data, visual and witnessable evidence for God of the Bible and creation: In the CMB is found an infrared visible structure of the form of a cross, now guess how the secular scientists named it, "the axis of evil", for it proves the Earth to be in the center of the Universe which is evidence for creation and confirming the Bible, for what are the chances for the Earth to find itself by hazzard middle such enormous Universe..? Kind of like 0,0000000000000000000000000001% perhaps..? Alone this piece of evidence proves creation beyond any reasonable doubt. This is another piece of evidence for the special position and wonderful creation by God our Creator and another confirmation of the Bible where it reveals that the earth was created before the other celestial bodies in the Universe. But instead acknowledging it to simbolize the Cross of Christ, they name it the axis of evil, for those sold to the devil the white is black while the black is white... Here the quote of a famous scoffer and secular scientist, none other than Lawrence Krauss after he wrote a book, "A Universe out of nothing" which book found that many poor deluded souls to buy it, that it climbed into the top charts of bestsellers for a while, quote: -"Lawrence Krauss is quoted as follows in a 2006 Edge .org article:[5] But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That's crazy. We're looking out at the whole universe. There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun - the plane of the earth around the sun - the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe."-end quote. The title to google for: axis of evil cosmology And again a Yt search: "Dr. Robert Sungenis: Axis of evil" First satellite to survey the CMB sent was COBE in 1990, it discovered the structure in the CMB which reveals the Earth middle of the Universe. Pretending to be a error, they sent another satellite Duby a map, The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe in 2001, the results the same, Earth in the center, what they tried to do they said that would've been some kind of error, for the second time ! So they sent another satellite, Planck Spacecraft in 2009 which ended its survey in 2013, with same exact results, the Earth is the center of the Universe ! Then other 2 documentaries on YT: 1.(Undebunkable) Cosmic Microwave Background Proves Intelligent Design- but by whom? 2. You are the center of the Universe, and here is why | The Science of Elite #6 There are also a multitude of other articles on that. Furthermore in the following article are written down another 12 scientific facts written of in the Bible and acknowledged to be true only in the last decades with the newest scientific technology, so give a Gg search for: Science and the Bible - NASA agrees with the Bible | Facts ... The Holy Light which is given from above only to the orthodox patriarch since centuries in Jerusalem at the celebration of Christ's resurrection out of the tomb Christ layed for 3 days in, it is a light/fire which doesn't burn anything and isn't hot for about 20 minutes, it is only about 42C° lukewarm measured and analysed by a scientist, so in the time span of about 20 min the people put the flames of 33 candles, huge flames in their beards, hair, faces, eyelids and eye brows, without becoming living torches but not even their facial/hair burn, whereas such cold fire can't be provided by human beings, nor by natural processes, hence that is the evidence of a genuine God's wonder, there from the light is spread and given into the whole orthodox christian world, the YT titles to search for: A. "Holy Light (Holy Fire) in Jerusalem: Proofs & Testimonies" B. "For the Faithless - The Proof of the Holy Fire of Jerusalem" C. "The Holy Fire in Scripture, History, and Science". God of the Bible and His creation of the Universe are proven true.
@@robertdumicz7309 No they wouldn't! What theist don't take in consideration with their beliefs, is the fact the theist, and atheist don't know, and will never know if a God exists. No theist EVER, came out their mothers womb with the knowledge of a God or In idea of what a God actually is. Muslims and Christians are THE most indoctrinated human beings alive. Both have violence and hate against every other human being that isn't like they are. Christianity along with the rest of the nearly 300 gods, possibly more, are all taught their beliefs as they developed as an infant through adulthood. Theist try so had to promote a lie, and why? Because you fear for my soul, my life, cause you care and love me? No, theist don't love and care. Theist have no clue what real love is because their God is an abusive, jealous dictator, that theist lie for, hate for, and kill for. I'm so tired of hearing theist with bullcrap ideas and nonsense, how they all know what I think and feel. Anyone who defends religious bs shouldn't be allowed to be social. Why? Because you're defending something that is entirely written by people that lacked much in education, they didn't have info at the palm of their hands like we all do today, and I theist would take the time to actually dig deep into what their pastors tell them, and find our for themselves, what is believed. Like I said, we all are born ignorant to our surroundings. The Bible has had more edits than the whole editing community. Why do you think that is the case? 🤔 hmm! Maybe because we as human beings know there is things in the bible that shouldn't be taught? Why do theist have this idea that they are only trying to save atheist from eternal torment? How about showing love and care to the millions who really need it. Why not work together with the rest of humanity to make sure that when we die, that our grandchildren, great grandchildren, and so on, have less to worry with? Instead, you theist just say "I will pray for you poor African Americans, you poor white trash, Native Americans that had their lands stripped from what their ancestors developed and kept natural for thousands of year for them. But you wanna know what the issue really is? It's all of our fault for not paying attention! Your Bible speaks of the dangers of pride, which I think Christianity is full of that! What will destroy the human species faster than anything else, is the religious people in the US that vote for the person who "says" God first. They hear that, and they never find out anything about the person that is about to shove an "Up yours" rod, straight up your ass! What we need, for the entire world. Is for us to figure out how to eliminate poverty, stop telling the poor "You can be whatever you wanna be, it's up to you." Cause that's not true. A poor man's options are not the same as a wealthy human being. If aomeone put forth a direction to go that would make someone famous, or beyond wealthy. And you have 2 people on that path, 1 poor, 1 rich. The rich person would have little to no pushback. The poor guy would probably struggle out the gate. My point is that the belief in Christianity, Jesus, Yaweah, Muhammed, whatever. Will NEVER FIX THE WORLDS ISSUES! ONLY HUMAN BEINGS THEMSELVES.
Twenty years ago, in basic training at Great Lakes, I got my dog tags that read NORELPREF as opposed to the RC that I swear I had requested. I still keep those dog tags on my night stand and sometimes wonder if that typo was something of an _athiest miracle._
Yep, yes, yes! WTF is going on over there? I'm in Australia. We don't really give a toss about this bullsh!t. We'd rather go to the footy, then go to the pub, and sleep in on Sundays!!!!!!!
@Shylan Raiff our existence is instinctive. Unless something goes wrong psychologically, we all have an inherent preference for survival - for living. If we want to live - and we do - then we should behave in a manner that most facilitates that desire. Reason has been shown to be the most trustworthy source of beneficial outcomes - outcomes that maximally facilitate life. So if we want to live - then we should use reason.
For me one key goal would be to stop (to the extent possible) having people indoctrinate, mislead and traumatise their children and others, to teach people how to think critically from a very young age and to make sure they have a decent understanding and appreciation of science. Stopping the religious from infringing on the rights of those outside their religion is important, but it's also important to stop indoctrination and to give people a proper education. Those goals might go hand in hand.
Let's see where, when and what indoctrination is practiced in institutions which, unlike the churches, are mandatory for children, so no matter wanted or not, by the parents and/or children, they are inoculated with the delusion of the Universe out of nothing... That's the way the detractors of own Creator manage to delude and fabricate a deluded and immoral society, by bypassing the right of the parents to chose if the idea of all out of nothing is inoculated into their children or not. That mandatory inoculation is filthy and unrightful and now they got to the next step, evilish inoculation the minds of the children with sex at ages they don't have either the interest, nor the biological development to sustain such acts... Furthermore the next step is already taken, inoculating all the people with harmful substances they call vaccine, mandatory as the time got by... The more we accept, the more they push on us... Indoctrination is what they did on you and did pretty on all the people in the institutions they call educational system, where they lied to us all that the Universe, you and we all included, would've appeared out of nothing and with no cause, thus betraying the very science they preach to serve. And they did such indoctrination beginning with ages we weren't even able to think properly and doubt their knowledge or honesty, let alone having the audacity to challenge their honesty and knowledge. However, the difference between you and l is that while l awake out of their delusion, you still swim in it, most probably because you found a service in pretending that fornication, greed, lie, gossip and perhaps many other sins and issues would be ok, since you deny God, The One Who gave the Ten Commandments...
The most frustrating part about this conversation is that we have to have it and it is very necessary. There is intersectionality between other human rights issues and religion and it's the right thing to address.
Yeah it baffles me too...a comment I see a lot is "You must have faith in something" and I've thought about that for a while and I do have faith in one thing: That one day all this will be over, we will live in a society that actually makes sense and nobody will have to explain to another person why it's a bad idea to persecute people.
@@memitim171 I don't have faith that we'll ever get there but it sure is worth fighting to try. Even if we don't succeed, we'll still be farther along than we were yesterday.
We are fighting to clear reality and remove delusions , because once we get to that point we can search through the world and understand it I want to understand reality and existence, because in order to solve any mystery we have to look and search and then find , and not assume that we already have the solution because the solution made its way to us , that's just not possible,( who ever was silent about the truth is a mute devil. )
@@MadebyJimbob Hey mr,lol the truth for me is anything real , so the fact that earth is round that makes it a truth , so when we are able to detect something and define it as real or fact we can call it truth
@@rinos7902 you can’t establish any theory of correspondence to physical reality without first assuming and appealing to unreal things, language, math, meaning, logic, geometry. You really haven’t thought about this have you? Hey you should jump on my stream today to talk about it
It's also not just atheists in other countries who are attacked for blasphemy, it still happens right here in the US. We get calls all the time into Recovering From Religion of atheists who live in rural Bible Belt communities who are closeted because they are in literal fear of being harmed by their community. Some even say that it's easier to be gay in these communities than to be an atheist. This is something we really need to recognize more. Look at what happened to Telltale. It's still an ongoing threat of atheists who have to remain in the closet for their own safety.
Interesting to hear you say you were openly atheist in the Navy. When I joined the army, I was asked about what religion to put on my dog tag. When I said none, I was pushed until I eventually gave them my mom's religion (Lutheran).
I was in the USAF 1964-1968; my dog tags say "No Rel Pref" (still have them). In the Air Force, I met several atheists. I grew up in a small town in Virginia where there was daily prayer on the PA in school, but I became an atheist at about 15. There too in a town of 2,000 I had several atheist my age. It's actually nuttier now than back in my day. I think it's because Atheism is growing with the help of the internet and the Thumpers feel the pressure.
@@dimbulb23 That no preference thing really bugged me. It makes it sound like Catholic, Hindu, or whatever are all fine with you. But I did have a preference, and that preference was for no religion. The tags should say "none" instead of "no pref".
Should I oppose the banning of books, or just the books I read? I don’t plan on opening a maths textbook in Florida, but different books in different places will benefit from the same objection.
Atheist Debates, Matt, well put! Tyranny anywhere is Tyranny everywhere! This is one of those 'objective truths' everyone keeps talking about. One day, hopefully, we will all be 'Earhlings'!!! It's not an American thing, it's a species thing! 👍❤🥰✌
This is excellent. Beyond that, this discussion reminds of the Atheism+ arguments that arose beginning around 2012. Yes, 10 years ago. Many (male) atheists vehemently opposed this at the time. Credit to Mr. Dillahunty for promoting the larger perspective that affects all of us - women, LGBTQ, Humanists, and rational people, as well as furthering the creation of better conditions for Humanists of the future - whatever they choose to call themselves.
Yes please call yourself atheist+ and lets not get it confused with actual atheism which means you aren't adopting a religious or political ideology because that is what I am. I don't share your political ideology. I am just not religious.
@@oswinhull4203 I consider myself far, far more than "just not religious." I strongly promote the viewpoints of science, women's rights, secular education, First Peoples, and Humanism, among other perspectives that lead to the betterment of humankind.
It's funny that Matt says this because in the mid 2010s the skeptic community changed from atheism into the alt-right pipeline. It's nice to see things are changing for the better
The problem is why does a reported lover of his own creation do absolutely nothing for over 2000 years to help his creation and then expect worship? Crazy
It's simply empathy that creates "mission drift" I'm totally for it. But also, being in more faucets of society, spring gaat, trans, science etc, in all of those fields you make yourself known it's advertising too
My answer to this question is: the right to not have to deal with overly religious people who get pandered to while humanity itself falls apart. I'm tired of hearing how much better they are just "because". I want people to become more sceptical and use their brains instead of just falling in line.
Following is falling in line: Let's see where, when and what indoctrination is practiced in institutions which, unlike the churches, are mandatory for children, so no matter wanted or not, by the parents and/or children, they are inoculated with the delusion of the Universe out of nothing... That's the way the detractors of own Creator manage to delude and fabricate a deluded and immoral society, by bypassing the right of the parents to chose if the idea of all out of nothing is inoculated into their children or not. That mandatory inoculation is filthy and unrightful and now they got to the next step, evilish inoculation the minds of the children with sex at ages they don't have either the interest, nor the biological development to sustain such acts... Furthermore the next step is already taken, inoculating all the people with harmful substances they call vaccine, mandatory as the time got by... The more we accept, the more they push on us... Indoctrination is what they did on you and did pretty on all the people in the institutions they call educational system, where they lied to us all that the Universe, you and we all included, would've appeared out of nothing and with no cause, thus betraying the very science they preach to serve. And they did such indoctrination beginning with ages we weren't even able to think properly and doubt their knowledge or honesty, let alone having the audacity to challenge their honesty and knowledge. However, the difference between you and l is that while l awake out of their delusion, you still swim in it, most probably because you found a service in pretending that fornication, greed, lie, gossip and perhaps many other sins and issues would be ok, since you deny God, The One Who gave the Ten Commandments...
And that is skeptical, critical and based on empirical observation and evidence thinking: God our Creator and The Creator of the Universe could've create the Universe out of nothing, in which case is a supernatural creation, or out of own energy, known being the fact that energy is matter in another form, so in this case the creation is as we call it, natural. Since we observe that anything has a source and a cause, God is supernatural but necessary according to our empirical knowledge that anything has to have a source and a cause. But since non eternal sources beg the question of their origins forever and push that question back forever, the logical and only possibility is God The Eternal Creator, but since a simple source, even if eternal doesn't sufice because according to our empirical knowledge order doesn't result by hazard out of chaos but a intelligent agent is needed, laws to govern the ordonated Universe have to have a law giver, the information and the language to read that information both found in DNA need intelligence behind, according to our empirical knowledge and life require life to come out of or be created by, no exception known either. So if anyone is able to present the evidence that something comes out of nothing and can ultimately save something from the question of its origins, can also present the evidence that there isn't any cause behind anything and any process, can prove that order, laws, information and language don't need a intelligent agent, then what the seculars propose, even if falsified by the sheer amount of evidence for God and creation, are proven to be natural models, until then, the big bang and abiogenesis/evolution, so the models proposed by seculars, are; Firstly supernatural because the matter of the Universe has no natural source, secondly supernatural because it has no cause, thirdly is supernatural because it has no point in time to take place, fourthly is supernatural because it has no point in space either, since before the apparition of the Universe there wasn't anything, fifthly is supernatural because the order seen in the Universe doesn't appear by itself according to empirical knowledge, sixthly is supernatural because according to our knowledge systems as the Solar System is, need a intelligent creator, seventhly it is supernatural because laws as those which govern the Universe as gravity and laws of physics, chemistry and biology require a law giver, eightly it is supernatural because also according to our empirical knowledge behind every bit of information and behind any language there is intelligence and ninethly is supernatural because only biogenesis is observed, no abiogenesis. Therefore by rejecting the only logical explanation which The Creator is, because is supernatural, you end up with multiple super-super-super-super-super-super-super-super-supernatural phenomenons.
@@robertdumicz7309 TLDR. Your entire argument is based on the presupposition of a creator being needed. You cannot demonstrate this. There is no critical analysis that leads to any empirically proven supernatural cause for ANYTHING. Every time we discover how something works &/or whete it came from, science clearly shows a natural cause. Your points jump about based solely on assumptions about how the world works, and nothing demonstrable.
@@mischarowe No, it is the other way around, all i wrote is based on our empirical observation, yours included, anything needs a source and a cause, systems, order, fine tuning, information and the language to read that information, both found in DNA, all of those need an intelligent creator. But if you or anybody else for that matter, are able to provide evidence for a single exception from that rule, please provide it, meanwhile creation is proven true, based on our empirical knowledge. Ok, since you're sensitive to continous texts, i will in the future break those pieces of evidence for God of the Bible and creation in multiple segments.
Couple of decades an atheist ? I resigned from the Primitive Methodists in 1958 when they demanded I pledge to renounce women and drink. I was eleven... I didn't have a beer until I was 18 or a girlfriend until I was 21, so their efforts to save my soul were moot...
I spent 20 years debating this stuff and finally stopped. The arguments really haven't changed and once you realize the main apologists are con artists you see the futility of it. That does not mean that we shouldn't defend ourselves or keep religious fanatics from attempting to poison the constitutional well, so to speak and I do see channels like yours as being important, simply because free speech only works if we use it. If we stay silent and allow the extremists to dictate reality, things will not end well.
What is the point of liberating people mentally from the tyranny of gods and superstitions if they are still shackled bodily, socially, or societally, often by precepts of said gods and superstitions that have disseminated into the secular structure of our society?
There is also a lot of cross over with atheists regarding both LGBT & women's rights! While I have taken a step back for the atheist community to focus on parenting and our children's special needs...... but I think it is important for the atheist community to stand for equality! To elaborate on the importance of equality...... 😐 over the years there have been multiple scandals in the atheist community and we need to make it clear that shit has no place in our community!
Why chastise callers for bringing up topics not directly related to atheism if you want to unify some kind of secular humanist position under the banner of atheism? It makes perfect sense to me if there is a clear through-line from religious imposition on non theistic individuals to discuss those points. But you have consistently stated that atheism holds you to no other view than not being convinced a deity or deities exist. You would recognize that there are atheists who hold vastly differing views on any other given topic. If you want to be entirely consistent in the position you've stated in this video; that circumstances religions may have a 'moral' impact on ought to be included in your mission, so to speak, why not advocate for veganism for instance? Who draws the lines of ethical consideration when it comes to an atheistic agenda? I tend to agree with those you have mentioned within the ACA who are critical of the shift of focus for the Atheist Experience as a formally single serving issue production. There are many other platforms affiliated that deal with other potentially related issues. Why not let the focus of the show be what it says on the tin?
As a recovered christian, which was forced upon me and my siblings from earliest childhood, the greatest gift I ever received was freedom from the fallacious, backward and misogynistic beliefs with which christianity had been strangling me. While I relaxed into agnosticism, my parents were stuck with their oppressive beliefs and continued both to worry about my "not being saved when the Rapture occurs (any day now. . . )" and to harass me with talk about Jesus and God and the Bible which I had to repeatedly explain were meaningless concepts to me, and why. I usually had to explain all of Comparative Religions 101 from freshman year of college as well as Church History and so forth. Very tiresome. Yet all that I felt was completely destructive to the religion begat a defensive response with them that ended nowhere. My mother in particular continues to have deep concern/fear for my not getting into Heaven. I happen to believe in reincarnation now, so that doesn't worry me at all.
This is bizarre to me, a country that believes in "freedom" has laws that say you must believe in God to run for office. In Australia, we have elected multiple atheists as our Prime Minister, plus some agnostics. It's rare here for our leaders (other then right wing fringe political parties) to even talk about religion at any real length.
18:45 you mean, every time the mission has drifted you've liked where it drifted to. Pretending "mission drift" is the correct form of activism because you like how it's moving doesn't change what it is.
You seem to be neglecting the idea that not supporting these other communities and ideals is also a position. To say "I will not say anything about Gay people because that does not support atheism," surrenders that community to a hateful religious majority that becomes stronger for oppressing them. To say "I will not say anything about trans people because that does not support atheism" surrenders that community to a hateful religious majority that becomes stronger for oppressing them. To say "I will not say anything about voting rights, because that does not support atheism" surrenders every disenfranchised voter to a hateful religious majority that becomes stronger for oppressing them. Atheism as a statement of belief is only about not believing in a god, but atheist activism IS going to be a left leaning action by default because atheist activism opposes religious authoritarianism. If the goal of atheist activism is freedom from religious oppression then dismantling the ways in which religion can utilize it's power on marginalized groups isn't mission creep, it's the mission.
@@Galanthos You agree with Matt, then. Good for you that you agree with the mission creep. If atheism was the point, none of that would matter. The entirety of the atheist question is about god, not religion. Hate Christians and everything they stand for if you want, but that doesn't make it an atheistic point. Call yourself anti-Christian or Humanist, but atheist is a very specific answer to a very specific question. Unless you believe the only possible reason to oppose any of those things is belief in god, in which case you haven't listened to a lot of the arguments they use or tried to actually understand the opposition. Most fall back on god at a basic level, but you'd probably dislike a presuppositional argument being used to dismiss your reasons because your overall worldview is wrong. According to them.
The point of an atheist community isn't just to sit in a room and say "Yup, we sure don't believe in God. This is nice." The point of an atheist community is to take the actions that secure the right for us to continue to be able to say "Yup. We sure don't believe in God. This is nice." There is a difference between being an atheist and the mission of an atheist organization like American Atheist or the Atheist Community of Austin which you seem to be willfully misunderstanding in order to paint the logical actions of an activist organisation as incongruent with their beliefs.
@@Galanthos My point is that once they branch out into other things, they're no longer a community of atheists. They're a community of humanists or anti-Christians. To address your point, would you consider an atheist community of right-wing atheists that advocated against all of those things still an atheist community? Or would you agree with me that they've left their atheist commonality behind to take a political stand? The ability to say "We sure don't believe in God. This is nice." has nothing to do with your sexuality, preference, color, or anything else political. When you take on the responsibility to make sure anyone can say "We sure are x. This is nice." where x is not atheist, you're not an atheist community anymore. It doesn't matter how many of the new community were/are atheist either. You're agreeing with all of those vapid Christian apologists that atheism is all the ideas of an atheist they can point at. Atheist communities that branch out of atheism while retaining the name of atheist is where their ammunition comes from and why correct arguments that atheism isn't a worldview fall flat. Because "atheist" communities insist on becoming broad-spectrum political agents. Believe what you want, advocate for what you want, but don't pretend that you're still advocating for atheism when you leave the question of god(s) behind.
An atheist community that opposed gay rights, trans rights, and women's healthcare would still be an atheist activist group, but they'd be great allies to a church that is going to crush them once everyone else is dealt with. I think it would be doing a bad job at actually advocating for Atheists, but they would still be Atheists doing what I would hope they think is best for Atheists to be able to exist and thrive. They would be an atheist community. But the political issue of Atheism is a first amendment issue. It is an advocation for freedom of and freedom from religion, freedom of speech, freedom to privacy, and the ability to pursue life liberty and happiness. Fighting with other groups that can be similarly targeted doesn't take away from fighting for religious freedom. A victory for LGBTQ rights is a victory for Atheism, because the systems that oppress us are the same. A defeat for Women's Healthcare is a defeat for Atheism for the same reasons. A supreme court that will overturn Roe v. Wade is a supreme court that can overturn Torcaso v. Watkins.
At the groundroots, beliefs inform actions. And just as I do not want people to have harmful beliefs, I do not want people to have harmful actions. So if these social issues need attention, of course I as an atheist would want to act upon them.
@@scambammer6102 The world is set up to undermine me at every turn. All of you (human beings) are the world. The fact is, I don't owe any of you anything. If I'm going to treat any of you with respect it's not going to be because I owe any of you that. Instead it's going to be because my so called moral development has been such as to not prevent it, that's all.
I don't care about "atheist normalcy" or any sort of "humanism" or "secular ethics." I don't care about liberal politics. I care about truth and reason. It just happens to be true that there are no gods.
Matt, I don't know why you've convinced yourself that you're not "qualified" to run for office, but frankly you are over-qualified. Your dedication to truth and logic, your ability to debate others in good faith with honesty and sincerity, your ability to effectively communicate your ideas and your ability to perform rigorous and thoughtful research makes you over-qualified to run for any office you want. That fact that you're also a progressive person is just a bonus for me. I get you probably don't have any desire to be an elected official, and you are correct that your history of advocating for atheism and combating theistic nonsense would severely harm your chances of winning in the USA. But I just take issue with you thinking you're not qualified. You have everything it takes to be a great advocate and political leader. Being an elected official isn't about knowing everything about policy or law making, that's why you have a team of people who work for you. Nobody knows everything. What matters is that you research issues, listen to your constituents and critically think with your team to come up with solutions. The rest comes from experience. If you're not qualified to run for office, literally nobody is.
@Brandon Letzco Joe Biden doesn't have dementia lol. But yes, there are certainly people who make it to public office and hold it for years who are less qualified than Matt.
@Brandon Letzco Come on now. He's old and he always had a stutter. He doesn't have dementia. Right wing chuds always roll the dementia card out and then he gives speeches and does the job every day and there seems to be no sign on mental illness. If I made a compilation super cut of every time you misspoke or stuttered people would think you have down syndrome. People clip chimping verbal gaffs of people isn't any way to medically diagnose mental illness.
Any promoter of the Universe out of nothing, without a cause and by itself is a dishonest person and a deceiver, whoe to those who elect such people to lead them, they get led on the wide path of perdition.
@Brandon Letzco In the CMB is found an infrared visible structure of the form of a cross, now guess how the secular scientists named it, "the axis of evil", for it proves the Earth to be in the center of the Universe which is evidence for creation and confirming the Bible, for what are the chances for the Earth to find itself by hazzard middle such enormous Universe..? Kind of like 0,0000000000000000000000000001% perhaps..? Alone this piece of evidence proves creation beyond any reasonable doubt. This is another piece of evidence for the special position and wonderful creation by God our Creator and another confirmation of the Bible where it reveals that the earth was created before the other celestial bodies in the Universe. But instead acknowledging it to simbolize the Cross of Christ, they name it the axis of evil, for those sold to the devil the white is black while the black is white... Here the quote of a famous scoffer and secular scientist, none other than Lawrence Krauss after he wrote a book, "A Universe out of nothing" which book found that many poor deluded souls to buy it, that it climbed into the top charts of bestsellers for a while, quote: -"Lawrence Krauss is quoted as follows in a 2006 Edge .org article:[5] But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That's crazy. We're looking out at the whole universe. There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun - the plane of the earth around the sun - the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe."-end quote. The title to google for: axis of evil cosmology And again a Yt search: "Dr. Robert Sungenis: Axis of evil" First satellite to survey the CMB sent was COBE in 1990, it discovered the structure in the CMB which reveals the Earth middle of the Universe. Pretending to be a error, they sent another satellite Duby a map, The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe in 2001, the results the same, Earth in the center, what they tried to do they said that would've been some kind of error, for the second time ! So they sent another satellite, Planck Spacecraft in 2009 which ended its survey in 2013, with same exact results, the Earth is the center of the Universe ! Then other 2 documentaries on YT: 1.(Undebunkable) Cosmic Microwave Background Proves Intelligent Design- but by whom? 2. You are the center of the Universe, and here is why | The Science of Elite #6 There are also a multitude of other articles on that. Furthermore in the following article are written down another 12 scientific facts written of in the Bible and acknowledged to be true only in the last decades with the newest scientific technology, so give a Gg search for: Science and the Bible - NASA agrees with the Bible | Facts ... The Holy Light which is given from above only to the orthodox patriarch since centuries in Jerusalem at the celebration of Christ's resurrection out of the tomb Christ layed for 3 days in, it is a light/fire which doesn't burn anything and isn't hot for about 20 minutes, it is only about 42C° lukewarm measured and analysed by a scientist, so in the time span of about 20 min the people put the flames of 33 candles, huge flames in their beards, hair, faces, eyelids and eye brows, without becoming living torches but not even their facial/hair burn, whereas such cold fire can't be provided by human beings, nor by natural processes, hence that is the evidence of a genuine God's wonder, there from the light is spread and given into the whole orthodox christian world, the YT titles to search for: A. "Holy Light (Holy Fire) in Jerusalem: Proofs & Testimonies" B. "For the Faithless - The Proof of the Holy Fire of Jerusalem" C. "The Holy Fire in Scripture, History, and Science". God of the Bible and His creation of the Universe are proven true.
@Brandon Letzco I didn't even had to post other evidence than the empirical observed fact that everything has a source and a cause. Therefore as long you don't present the evidence for a case of something coming out of nothing and without a cause, creation is proven true. Secondly if you'd carefully read the evidence in the CMB of the Earth being center of the Universe and/or you'd be honest, you would acknowledge it true. And if you would care to read the quote of that prominent scientist and anti own Creator you would notice that even he himshelf acknowledged the Earth middle of the Universe and even explained what is observed and how it reveals that fact. Furthermore the fact that you ignored the other pieces of evidence reveals you dishonest indeed. God of the Bible and creation are proven true by multiple pieces of evidence which you didn't addressed with scientific scrutiny, neither have you presented any evidence for something out of nothing and without a cause, so i don't even need to post additional evidence, you're chackmated already.
You are a great commentator on religion and atheism but off on politics. When does life begin Matt? I am not a republican or Democrat, but have some conservative views. I support the gay community, I’m against abortion, I do not believe in privilege based on sex and race.
You would give more rights to a fetus than to a living, breathing person. Pregnancy is hard on the body, can cause permanent damage, and even death. After a baby is born, neither parent can be forced to provide life saving blood or organs, but some people think that using a person's entire body against their will is perfectly alright. I don't get it.
@@YY4Me133 If you're telling me right now that Fetuses aren't living.....you're just as stupid as a religious person, eating up propaganda without even thinking.
I watched a lot of Atheist Experience back in the day. In the last few years it has appeared to me that certain (especially US based) atheist groups have, for the lack of a better word, filled their religious 'void' with ideology from the political left. The current comment section comes across to me as rather one-dimensional. To me, atheism is a lack of belief in a higher power. Adding beliefs and world views into this lack of belief makes it something different.
Everyone believes in certain things, or let’s say: holds on to certain values. If many atheists are humanists (because that’s way more wholesome than simply being a nihilist) and many humanist values lead to leftism, that’s not the atheists’ fault. Who are you to claim they’re simply “filling a void” or to tell them to refrain from certain topics because those aren’t 100% religion-related?
You are exactly correct. It's strange how "we just lack a belief, that's it!" quickly becomes "bake the gay cake, bigot!" --- like any small and malicious group, they feign weakness and oppression, then, once they gain any foothold, they begin to oppress others. Hmmm
I don't see why it's unreasonable for some people to find purpose in resisting the infinite aggression of the political right. One thing religion tries to do is provide purpose to people so... you may be a little bit right about some people. Sort of.
@@MensHominis i guess it depends in your definition of leftism and rightism. In my world, leftism is more about collectivism, mostly by collective help of the downtrodden, rightism is about individual responsibility, based on providing the incentives so people are encouraged to do the right thing. I think you can arrive at either from humanism, based on which you consider more effective in helping humans. And that is going to be independent of your humanism and atheism.
@@realGBx64 - not if we can observe and _acknowledge_ (denialism is a thing) systemic problems that couldn’t ever be solved through personal responsibility. So because humanism (at least how I grasp it) is kind of comparable to what Matt says about collective well-being as a base ideal for a quasi-objective moral system, this in my eyes seems to inhibit ideologies in which the ego is put above everything else. Plus, many, many conservative and right-wing talking points by far exceed mere individualist extremism: if you look around right-wing spheres (including the ones most vocal about freedom of speech like the Elon Musk sycophants), you’ll witness attempts at cutting away at other people’s freedoms on every last corner.
I wish you talked more about scientific socialism! Atheism and socialism have always been philosophically aligned. First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out- Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out- Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out- Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
I don't think non religious people are granted the same rights as religious people at all. Religiously held beliefs get special treatment under the law like not having to provide certain health benefits to employees, openly discriminating against people they disapprove of, & not fulfilling all the duties required by their job description. My moral objections & personal convictions don't allow me to not have to obey the law or not do my job without consequences. My non religious beliefs aren't held sacrosanct & upheld by the courts. There is definitely religious privilege in our society & what they(Christians mostly) feel as infringement of their rights is just push back against losing that privilege. That is a big part of the fight but we can't expect society to change without attitudes about religion changing too. Gotta work on both.
Perhaps I should be more charitable, but as far as I can tell, anyone who makes the "atheists shouldn't talk about non-atheism things" is just a conservative whining about getting some pushback. I have no sympathy anymore.
For me it's simple. Women's rights is an atheist issue because there are religious people trying to force their religious views about women onto people. LGBT rights is an atheist issue because there are religious people trying to force their religious views about LGBT onto people. Racial minority rights is an atheist issue because there are religious people trying to force their religious views about race onto people. And so on. Any and every time people try to force their religious views onto others it's an atheist issue.
@@scambammer6102 OP clearly stated why women’s rights are an atheist issue. Because opposition is primarily religious. How can you read the post and not understand it?
@@cratonorogen9208 I don't know if you can say it's primarily religious. There are also a lot of people who have reasonable and well articulated views that have nothing to do with religion related to the timing of when abortions should be allowed, under what circumstances they should be allowed, and whether the state should fund them. I've met a lot of pro choice people who still don't think there should be abortions after a certain point unless there is a medical reason. There are also plenty of religious people who are pro choice. Being an atheist literally says nothing about a persons politics.
I love all the work you've done talking about atheism and helping to normalize it. I couldn't disagree more on the taking up of other causes. LGBT and abortion causes are not linked to the issues of being an atheist. They are similar in some ways but not related. There are plenty of religious gay people. I'm an atheist and I don't agree with a lot of the reforms that are currently happening with respect to public policy and all the far left identity politics. I wouldn't say I'm pro choice or pro life either. So if I'm giving money, volunteering, or support activists I want my efforts to be going toward the things I care about. I think what you are talking about is a totally political move which is the quick and easy way but also the sleazy and somewhat dishonest way.
Just astounds me that anyone thinks that using violence could be acceptable from any religions perspective. If they actually believe in Christianity then they need to be turning the other cheek and forgiving everyone who sins against them. The hypocrisy of people committing heinous acts in the name of religion is just amazing.
Unfortunately, it's clear that you don't know the Bible and the violence it sanctions. It's not hypocritical of them... it's hypocritical of YOU to pretend that "turn the other cheek" is the only message.
@@SansDeity While I certainly do not claim to have as much knowledge of the Bible as you Matt I would not be someone that anyone could call ignorant of the Bible. I have read it in full multiple times and discussed it literally thousands of times online an IRL with Christians and Atheists. For the last 30 years. So no your statement is incorrect. But what the Bible says is not really relevant to my point. Because Christianity does not follow what the Bible says anyway. Most modern Christians completely ignore the bulk of the Old testament where most of the violence is and claim that the New Testament is the only actual word of a God. And the New Testament implies that people should be friendly and forgiving to their enemies. So my point is that even the people who believe this still resort to violence and aggression and are hypocrites.
@@kimsland999 Not if you take the word of the majority of Christians into account. They all consider the Westboro Baptists to be extremist nutters. And not even they follow the Bible perfectly. Plenty of things in the Bible they ignore because it suits them. Here are some of the things the Old testament says Christians should do: 1. dash out the brains of babes of neighboring tribes. 2. do not use antibiotics. 3. force women to marry their rapists. 4. keep slaves. 5. kill anyone who eats leftovers on the third day. 6. kill adulterous women. So I am talking about Moderate Christians not fundamentalists.
@@SansDeity Why do you lie Matt? The other message is repent and turn or you will, without question face God's wrath! It doesn't matter whether you are "unconvinced" of his existence or however you like to word it; facing Him is as inevitable as death!. Stop manipulating His message! Don't you you that you will reap what you sow? Repent while God's Mercy is on offer! Do you forget that your life belongs to Him?
Good question. In predicting the physical future good experimental science really ought to prevail. So those religions which make a claim about physics which simply cannot be true should be argued against. Faith is not a good strategy to arrive at physics truths. On the other hand, fables, although not physically possible may well embody a human truth. A common practice (clubs, games, neighbors and religions) can make individuals into a tribe. Tribes can have influence in human affairs exceeding individuals. It is difficult to get upset at the Amish. Low crime rate. They pay taxes but don't generally take advantage of government services funded with those taxes. Extremist Jain's don't harm a fly. I would think that social issues which are driven by reference to Leviticus should be addressed by us atheists. Atheists are not all of the same mind on social issues with no religious overtones, though. Hitchens once fielded an audience question to another panel member : "Where does Evil come from?" "Religion!" interrupted Hitch. We could be well justified in being anti-theist thus anti-Evil fighters.
You shouldn't have written core! If you merely said religion causes some issues why not address those issues? Then you wouldn't have sounded silly! Now you've poisoned the well.
Your point on being relatively safe in the US is true, but you didn't mention that US legislators can and have supported regimes that persecute or kill atheists or other religious minorities. It's another reason I think atheist "advocacy" should exist. Another point on abortion- I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the secular arguments from the pro-life movement. We're a small subset, but atheist pro-lifers do exist.
@@SansDeity I admit that I may be biased as a former Christian, but I've remained convinced that a woman's right to choose does not outweigh the bodily autonomy of her child, especially because sex is not necessary for survival, just as eating meat is not necessary for survival. Eating meat comes at an ethical cost just as ending the life of a human for convenience comes at an ethical cost. Legally, our courts have come to a decision that at a certain point (viability outside the womb), abortion should not be permitted. I'm not sure if you would agree this point (which is not a set time, but changes case by case) exists, but it seems to be widely agreed upon if not. It is undeniable that the fetus carries human DNA unique compared to its parents, and the fetus itself is a living entity. I think the argument really comes to the level of personhood required to instill rights on a human being- fetus or a vegetative adult or mentally impaired child, for example. I err on the side of biology, which I believe is core to understanding ethics. A human is a human and it is a biological understanding that humans have certain rights. For me, though an act may create more utility as a result, if the action itself comes at a great ethical cost, it should not be put into law. This is why I believe forced sterilization should not be legal, for example.
Imagine Global Atheist Foundation building free hospitals and leading Climate change institutes to combat global warming.. Now, who has the moral high-ground :D
The problem with a one world government is the bigger the government the bigger the corruption. Government should be limited in scope not huge and trying to regulate everyones lives. To have security you sacrifice freedom. To have freedom you sacrifice security.
My general view is to push atheism and don't try to simultaneously change auxiliary views, as it can create conflicts. Like I can easily do the slavery argument and befuddle a religious person, but if I say god is anti-trans, unlike slavery they'll be like "well duh, and so am I." The auxiliaries should come in post-deconversion
I somewhat agree with this. If you remove the unwarranted God belief, then the other beliefs will fall down like a deck of cards. But if you argue specific subjects then it would take years! I also notice that even specific subjects seem to circle back to: I have faith in a God, or The Bible tells me so. Therefore there isn't any specific subject, it's all about their God belief.
@@scambammer6102 of course, there is no reason to tie Athiest with Equality... but Atheist is just a Lack of Belief.... there's no reason to tie Government to Equality either... but gee whiz Ollie... Governments everywhere get involved in Equality... maybe an Active Atheist Community NEEDS to get involved... because many countries marginalis Atheist Communities, like the USA.
Matt: I'm not qualified to run for public office. Trump: I'm a stable genius! *runs for presidency brrrrr* I remember a quote about wise men being less confident...
After elevator gate when atheism+ began, I lost complete interest in the movement. I know many of us parted ways. It was sad, but I was really in it for the atheism, and I thought that was good enough. After that the movement splintered, it was a very sad time for me, and I know many others felt like I did. The only bond I wanted with people was the fact we were all atheists or wanting to learn about it. It was enough. I didn't care about people's sex preferences or abortion stance or political affiliation or any of the social causes. I didn't feel I needed to fight for such things just because I was atheist and part of an atheist group. It brought in too much messiness and just pushed atheism to the side like it was an afterthought. People have many different feelings on all the social issues, so it never made sense to take a group in which we were all harmonizing in and start throwing in complexities. It got bogged down. It caused disagreements. Fights, even. I really miss those old times before it all changed. I made great friends, shared so much, found a lot of happiness, even made it to the Bat Cruise. I've been very sad ever since the day I had to leave it all behind for my own peace of mind. Being a social justice warrior, which is what the + caused people to do, was too chaotic for me. I'm still sad about having to depart something I found so much joy and connection in and think it about it every now and again.
I'm OK with the ACA serving atheists of all kinds; I just get kind of weirded out by the media: for example: Star Trek Discovy has about a 5 or 6 out of 10 characters - of "other" genders (read LGBTQ+) - and female on male rape. That just does not comport with reality...nevermind the teleportation. I'm not really drawn into the story, because it does not relate to me. Atheism doesn't have that much to do with sex. But idiots are trying to "Make it so."
So you are more bothered by the 'genders' than the teleportation, time travel, alien species etc? That doesn't sound logical to me. It's fiction, if you want something that comports to reality, watch a documentary? But even documentaries are staged. Why are we assuming that Star Trek or any other fiction is based on our specific reality? Maybe, in that universe, there are more lgbtq people. You also failed to consider that Star Trek plays out in the future. Why shouldn't we assume that the future will be different? And it includes all kinds of non human species. Why should they work the same way humans do? We don't even have accurate numbers on how many lgbtq people exist here snd now or how many women r.pe men to begin with. And just because they have 5-6 lgbtq characters, doesn't mean that they don't have hundreds of straight characters. They just decided not to focus on them.
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I live in the Bible belt and the first time I said I didn't see the point in being Christian I got assaulted. It would be nice if I had the right to be able to actually speak without getting hit.
I knew many children who were abused because of their parents' religious beliefs, it would be nice if their parents didn't have the right to abuse their children under the guise of religious ceremony.
I've been on both sides of that. Chastised by "chruchians" for my questions and/or disbelief, but later on in life was ridiculed by others for expressing my experiences seeking the truth and God.
I've encountered similar instances like you have, and I live in NW NY state.
@@13abcde You stated that very well.
Yeah, lots of red flags in your anecdotal account. Occam's razor would suggest the reason you got hit was you got fresh with that person or group. That is the simpler explanation, it is also the most reasonable.
No one has the right to abuse children....no where in the bible does it allow a parent to abuse their children. So any "religious ceremony" would be a man made construct as opposed to a biblical one.
@Brandon Letzco
Lol I wasn't responding to any of your comments. My response was to K Hewitt
He states (quoting)
I live in the Bible belt and the first time I said I didn't see the point in being Christian I got assaulted. It would be nice if I had the right to be able to actually speak without getting hit.
I knew many children who were abused because of their parents' religious beliefs, it would be nice if their parents didn't have the right to abuse their children under the guise of religious ceremony.
Very lucky that I live in Scandinavia where the need for a very strong and vocal atheist movement isn't required.
We're mostly atheists and religion isn't a topic for the major political parties.
I hear this a lot, but you do have a number of neighbours that religion does inform their politics. While I wouldn't be worried about your parties, I would still have concern that some people in your countries might be influenced by that wave of authoritarian right wing thoughts that seem attached to religion in your region.
In Sweden extreme Islam is rampant and tolerated for the most part, in the UK too.
@fatopossum Don't be a pessimist.
@fatopossum it's the other way around. Muslims becomes atheist and it's why some visiting imams are really aggressive. They are fighting a losing battle.
@@_Omega_Weapon no it's not. Bunch of lies.
Some are aggressive because they know they don't stand a chance in the long run.
Many 2nd generation immigrants are only Muslim in a cultural sense.
I believe freeing people from religion has a measurably positive impact on the world. That's why I think continuing to fight is important.
You could argue religion has a positive impact.
@@MadebyJimbob there is no good thing that religion only can offer over secular things. On the flip side, many wrongs are specifically religious in origin.
@@MadebyJimbob i have a book recommendation for you, Stephen Pinker's "Better Angels of Our Nature". Here he takes an analytic data driven approach to the question of moral progress.
@@DiMadHatter what’s “good” ? Lol
As long as that you don't become a Woke SJW as a replacement.
It absolutely baffles me that some atheists can’t see how these issues are tied to religion(s).
My daughter is an open atheist in the Army. Her dog tag says “atheist” on it and I got my first tattoo, of that dog tag, on my left arm. While atheists are “welcome” in the Army, some of her superiors have said “the quiet part” quietly to their peers and it has caused uncomfortability for her and she suspects, the slowing down of promotions and coin awards. While they’re careful with what they say, she knows what the reality is. Free time on Sundays for the religious and for the atheist……cleaning time.
I went through that in Marine Corps boot camp (2013), I am an Atheist and on sundays i got fucking destroyed for a few hours by myself, often with 3 or 4 drill instructors scream spitting in my face while all the religious recruits got to relax and be left alone. I never got the option to get "Atheist" on my dog tags though, mine just say "No Rel Pref" which since it isn't a religion i guess makes sense.
@@Giddyboon That was similar to my experience. When everyone else went to the chapel, we had to mow the lawns, paint the rocks, or some other coercive and punitive activity.
@@Giddyboon Those crazy, sick bastards are everywhere, unfortunately. Thinking they are the "special" or "chosen" ones.
That's really awful about yours and others here experiences.
I'm outside of America so no forced patriotic conscription (I couldn't think of anything worse).
The Army are not scientists and psychologists, more brute force and be tough! Intellectuals wouldn't be high up on the list. (although I'm sure they have vast employment options in there).
I'm aware some of your states had 'In God We Trust' stickers on their cars! THIS alone informs me that America is way behind on secular NON religous government.
Sometimes when I've mentioned this before, the replier says: Oh that's in the Sothern or Bible belt states. But that irrelevant, it wouldn't matter what state its in, police (and Army) and any government is suppose to be NON religous. As it is in ANY secular country bar America.
Similar to that blue line flag, in respect to fallen police or something? That's defacing the country's flag irrespective who changes it to what. Visitors to your country are just going to be utterly confused (as might be the intention upon the citizens there).
Just horrible.
@@kimsland999 Absolutely!!
Completely agree with this video. I am gay, and the primary opposition for gay marriage was religion. Without that, there was really no basis in which one could object to it. I was absolutely looking forward to the Supreme Court arguments because I knew they couldn't argue religious points there, and I listened to the entire oral arguments of the Windsor case.
It was an absolute mess for the litigator arguing against gay marriage. Pretty much his biggest point was that gay people couldn't procreate and marriage facilitated that. One of the female Justices asked about an 80 year old couple that couldn't procreate- should they be able to get married? The litigator said that they can still procreate. The ENTIRE court erupted in laughter, and a male Justice said, "I don't think many babies are coming out of that marriage."
What is sad is that despite this case being an OBVIOUS mess for the anti-gay litigation team, they still only lost by 1 vote. While there is much more that goes into consideration other than oral arguments for a SCOTUS decision, it demonstrated to me that even an impartial, sophisticated body such as the high court is likely still prone to religious bias.
Though, I can understand the opposing side of the issue you present, Matt. The debate between black rights and women's rights with Frederick Douglass and Clara Barton (black rights movement vs women's rights movement) is a prime example. History does suggest that there is only so much reform that society can handle at one time. But I still tend towards Matt's side, and a quote from the fantastic movie The Great Debators Comes to Mind. "The time for justice, the time for freedom, and the time for equality is always, always right now."
Clearly gay marriage is about equal access to the benefits provided by tax dollars paid by gay people that we pay for and do receive (and others). It is a civil rights issue, the religious rationalizations are misdirection. They don't want you to have the same rights because of prejudice, pure and simple, IMHO.
I know, "preaching to the choir".
Just found you on youtube. You have way more patience than I. I am more like Hitchens. I have developed much disdain for religion and theists. At some point we just have to write off these cultists. Best of luck man. You are def fighting the good fight. It is very difficult to bring theists back to reality. They have been indoctrinated since birth.
Hihihi boy have you taken Matt the wrong way , check out atheist experience this Sunday evening and see what he’s really like , he’s literally got a show called the hang up playing on the theist ( and atheist ) experience on the atheist experience, it’s great fun
Edit there’s also a whole community on TH-cam
Look up Seth Andrews. His voice is like melted chocolate
@@bemhibbits4157 I checked him out. He is very simple in his method. He is worth listening to but i still enjoy Hitchens, Dawkins, and Harris the most. Any atheist willing to refute religion is def worth listening to. Thanks for the advice.
Let's see where, when and what indoctrination is practiced in institutions which, unlike the churches, are mandatory for children, so no matter wanted or not, by the parents and/or children, they are inoculated with the delusion of the Universe out of nothing... That's the way the detractors of own Creator manage to delude and fabricate a deluded and immoral society, by bypassing the right of the parents to chose if the idea of all out of nothing is inoculated into their children or not.
That mandatory inoculation is filthy and unrightful and now they got to the next step, evilish inoculation the minds of the children with sex at ages they don't have either the interest, nor the biological development to sustain such acts...
Furthermore the next step is already taken, inoculating all the people with harmful substances they call vaccine, mandatory as the time got by... The more we accept, the more they push on us...
Indoctrination is what they did on you and did pretty on all the people in the institutions they call educational system, where they lied to us all that the Universe, you and we all included, would've appeared out of nothing and with no cause, thus betraying the very science they preach to serve.
And they did such indoctrination beginning with ages we weren't even able to think properly and doubt their knowledge or honesty, let alone having the audacity to challenge their honesty and knowledge.
However, the difference between you and l is that while l awake out of their delusion, you still swim in it, most probably because you found a service in pretending that fornication, greed, lie, gossip and perhaps many other sins and issues would be ok, since you deny God, The One Who gave the Ten Commandments...
Thanks for what you do, Matt. My own engagement in the atheist movement started after having been to college in Louisiana (I am from Sweden) and realising that the friends I left behind after graduating, both in the US and in other countries have their rights more suppressed than I’ve ever experienced myself. And Donne is right: no man is an island and the bell tolls for me.
Sweden still has its Act of Succession, a part of our constitution, requiring the head of state to be of a particular christian “confession”. Far-right parties, both neofascist and christian, threaten women’s rights all over Europe. The fight is not over here either.
If women's rights to you, means to remove by robbing the father's rights in the family and grant parental rights only to the mothers in case of divorce or separation and to grant to the women the (wrong) right to murder own and men's children in the womb and to introduce quota of women bureaucrats in production companies where for example in Germany for 1000 handworkers they have to hire 400 women in bureaus with fat salaries so many just do nothing but cash in and create a burden on companies and society, (nobody can pretend that there are 400 jobs in bureaus needed for 1000 production workers), then that's no women's rights but robbing the men of their rights for the benefit of women. That's no women's rights but robbing rights from men and adding them to women, that's discrimination against men based on sexual criteria.
Disgratulations, they successfully fooled you.
May God make justice.
I was born in 1974, I was raised Catholic, went weekly to CCD, as I went to a public school. My parents were not particularly religious, we didn’t do any familial bible study, didn’t really pray. We went to church on Christmas and Easter only. I was never really a believer but never called myself an atheist either. I just went to CCD, listened to them ramble on and went on my way and forgot it right when I got home. I used to identify as conservative. I abhorred illegal immigration, thought affirmative action was unnecessary and was “Pro-life”. I thought welfare was more abused than used. When it came to social issues I was passionately indifferent. In that I had zero hatred for gays/minorities/etc, I thought using government resources on stuff like gay marriage was just a waste of time. As I wasn’t consciously aware of personality knowing anybody I cared about that was gay and being hurt as a result of the social climate. Not even aware that it was that very climate that scared them into remaining in the closet. It was a case of “it doesn’t effect me or my loved ones so how bad can it be”. I was stupid. I was ignorant. Then with the emergence of TH-cam and evolution of the internet as a source of hearing other voices, I began to dig into my disbelief in god and embrace that disbelief rather than ignore it. I binge watched TH-cam videos from The Thinking Atheist, NonStampcollector, EbolaWorld, AronRa and of course The Atheist Experience. I owned my disbelief and became outspoken about the ridiculousness of religion and the bullshit influence it has on society. And in doing so I found my conservative beliefs starting to erode. As I started looking at them objectively and honestly. Exploring how and why I had acquired those beliefs in the first place. It wasn’t necessarily my parents. My dad was left-leaning middle up to the day he died and my mom used to be apolitical, but today is very liberal. My conservative beliefs were more influenced by friends and associates more than anything. Working and living in a town of primarily white, church going families. But after stepping back and looking at myself and why I held those beliefs I got very angry at myself. As i bought full into the anti-immigrant, anti-welfare, social-apathetic bullshit that I detest today. I was so buried in privilege that I thought anyone who was complaining were simply lazy or just had an attitude problem. And I absolute credit my coming around to embracing my atheism as the reason I abandoned those beliefs. Today I am a passionate advocate of gay rights, civil rights, racial rights, immigration reform….everything the right wingers label as “social justice warriors”. I am an outspoken, unapologetic progressive. I don’t necessarily identify as liberal per se, it is more a case of despising conservative ideology than embracing liberal ideology. I fully support most liberal causes but I still disagree with some. I am definitely someone my 2004 self would hate. I am not ashamed of my old self, I never explicitly supported anything that today’s conservatives stand for. But I do have “Ideological regret” that I was so easily misled and influenced. Today I have several gay family members, a trans nephew. And while I never would have rejected them even in my past, I ignored the need of that community for support and allies back then. My atheism made me see things more clearly and honestly. Keep it up Matt, been watching you and the Atheist Experience for some 15 years now. It makes a difference.
You and ACA convinced me that there is still a value in fighting for better world in my country, Poland. You woke me up from that bizzare slumber I have been for at least 10-15 years. I will try to carry on your work here, around me, doing the best I can. It is empowering knowing that I can see history of your organisation. All your shows, podcasts, discussions and debates. Because that knowledge is the road you carved for others, like me, to pass faster and easier in achieving our mutual goal.
Thank you for that! Don't stop "mission drifting" ;) It is working exactly like you said.
Well said.
Atheism is a belief in multiple senses, while the most insane and anti empirical science is that you believe that the Universe came out of nothing, without a cause and without a creator.
Secondly is a dishonest proposition because no one can prove God doesn't exist because nobody is able to check at once all there is, any other eventual dimensions included to acknowledge there is no God and could even less provide the evidence for that.
If however someone would be able to perform the aforementioned, he/she would prove the opposite of the intended, omnipresence being not available for people but a godly trait, that person would prove to be God him/herself.
But as revealed, since our empirical observation requires a source, a cause and a creator for the Universe as we know it, atheism is a lie, dishonesty or ignorance at best.
Because nobody can check all there is at once, one could pretend to be at best agnostic but then again, this by ignoring the empirical observation that everything needs a source and a cause and order, laws, systems, fine tuning, information, language and life do require an intelligent creator and would still have to ignore the sheer amount of all sort of evidence and testimonies.
Then atheism also means ignoring the sheer amount of testimonies along the history, the sheer amount of scientific data evidence for creation and a young Solar System and Earth gathered in the last decades and would also mean ignoring multiple pieces of evidence for God of the Bible.
So yes, atheism is a belief against empirical observation, against science, against testimonies and against evidence.
Atheism is only a dishonest proposition and blinding tool propaganda for those who want to live lose and immoral and intent to fool the others to besmirch themselves too in the same stinky puddle of immoral dirt.
Atheism is therefore the worst sort of dishonest and/or ignorant belief and l'd say, taking into account that the eternal life is at risk, the most detrimental and destructive belief, actually delusion.
Atheism can't even be named a honest belief, because everyone knows ultimately by own empirical observation that everything needs a source and a cause.
But if you or anubody else for that matter, is able to present evidence for something coming out of nothing, please present it, out up or shut up and acknowledge your Creator and God and His creation of the Universe true.
@@robertdumicz7309 You are just being silly, without any respect or concern for knowledge or the human condition. Your only concern is trying to justify your limited perspective against a vast array of more serious people who are truly attempting to understand the universe, nature, and humanity’s hopes for the future. Mythology, such as what your views represent, is a dead end and gives our species no hope.
@@larryparis925 So you believe, contrary to the empirical evidence and even contrary your own empirical observation in the Universe our of nothing but name me silly instead...
Evidence for God of the Bible and for creation:
In the CMB is found and visible a structure of the form of a cross, now guess how the secular scientists named it, "the axis of evil", for it proves the Earth to be in the center of the Universe which is evidence for creation and confirming the Bible, for what are the chances for the Earth to find itself by hazzard middle such enormous Universe..? Kind of like 0,0000000000000000000000000001% perhaps..? Alone this piece of evidence proves creation beyond any reasonable doubt.
This is another piece of evidence for the special position and wonderful creation by God our Creator and another confirmation of the Bible where it reveals that the earth was created before the other celestial bodies in the Universe.
But instead acknowledging it to simbolize the Cross of Christ, they name it the axis of evil, for those sold to the devil the white is black while the black is white...
Here the quote of a famous scoffer and secular scientist, none other than Lawrence Krauss after he wrote a book, "A Universe out of nothing" which book found that many poor deluded souls to buy it, that it climbed into the top charts of bestsellers for a while, quote: -"Lawrence Krauss is quoted as follows in a 2006 Edge .org article:[5]
But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That's crazy. We're looking out at the whole universe. There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun - the plane of the earth around the sun - the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe."-end quote.
The title to google for: axis of evil cosmology
And again a Yt search: "Dr. Robert Sungenis: Axis of evil"
First satellite to survey the CMB sent was COBE in 1990, it discovered the structure in the CMB which reveals the Earth middle of the Universe. Pretending to be a error, they sent another satellite Duby a map, The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe in 2001, the results the same, Earth in the center, what they tried to do they said that would've been some kind of error, for the second time ! So they sent another satellite, Planck Spacecraft in 2009 which ended its survey in 2013, with same exact results, the Earth is the center of the Universe !
Then other 2 documentaries on YT:
1.(Undebunkable) Cosmic Microwave Background Proves Intelligent Design- but by whom?
2. You are the center of the Universe, and here is why | The Science of Elite #6
There are also a multitude of other articles on that.
Furthermore in the following article are written down another 12 scientific facts written of in the Bible and acknowledged to be true only in the last decades with the newest scientific technology, so give a Gg search for:
Science and the Bible - NASA agrees with the Bible | Facts ...
The Holy Light which is given from above only to the orthodox patriarch since centuries in Jerusalem at the celebration of Christ's resurrection out of the tomb Christ layed for 3 days in, it is a light/fire which doesn't burn anything and isn't hot for about 20 minutes, it is only about 42C° lukewarm measured and analysed by a scientist, so in the time span of about 20 min the people put the flames of 33 candles, huge flames in their beards, hair, faces, eyelids and eye brows, without becoming living torches but not even their facial/hair burn, whereas such cold fire can't be provided by human beings, nor by natural processes, hence that is the evidence of a genuine God's wonder, there from the light is spread and given into the whole orthodox christian world, the YT titles to search for:
A. "Holy Light (Holy Fire) in Jerusalem: Proofs & Testimonies"
B. "For the Faithless - The Proof of the Holy Fire of Jerusalem"
C. "The Holy Fire in Scripture, History, and Science".
God of the Bible and His creation of the Universe are proven true.
@@larryparis925 You come out of nothing, your purpose is nothing, you become nothing, there's nothing to hope for, you reduce yourself to nothing, that's your personal and the "hope of the species", nothing, or nothing good at least, with all those weapons of mass destruction, wars and crimes, with all the wickedness and greed... Since we, the "great specie" came to even kill own children in the womb, we can fathom at least, how deep we're fallen...
The Earth gets wiped out, sooner or later, rather sooner than later and that's it!
Les jeux sont fait, rien va plus...
That's your religion and belief, the religion that offers nothing...
The hope in the eternal life and perfect happiness loving and being loved by own Creator and Savior as also all the others around isn't sadly something for you...
Because you like and enjoy wickedness and are addicted to different sort of sins, as fornication and you name it.
The moral promiscuity which diminishes the human value is cherished and trendy these days...
Those addictions are also the reason why you sell your honesty, making believe you believe in the Universe out of nothing, knowing that our Creator dislikes the immorality.
The biggest thing I'm fighting for these days is free speech.
and free thoughts.
I'm a Christian who agrees with the idea that freethought and freedom of speech are values rather than disvalues.
JPB
I am both an Atheist as well as a 2nd Amendment supporter. I have never been a member of the NRA. I large part because it seemed to me that they took on social issues far outside the scope of our 2nd Amendment. Things in many cases I couldn’t get behind. So this issue of mixing social issues surrounding Atheism with other social issues is one I am wary about. While I support marriage equality and the right to choose, I know many Atheist are anti 2A. And the more social issues you tie to Atheist organizations, the more people you alienate. Focus on Separation of Church and State (Gov and public schools). Work on social acceptance of Atheist. Get rid of bias in courts (parental rights etc). Crack down on discrimination in our military. We have plenty to work on within our own community. You want to support those causes; go as an individual and support the organizations who champion those causes and are passionate about those causes. And if you meet Atheist among them; invite them to join this cause. But do not tie them together.
Bummer. Sorry you'll be starting your own atheist org... have fun
@@SansDeity; Well I probably wouldn’t be as successful as yourself. You have a good platform and you speak very well. But you are a bit of an a$$. Which you know. But I enjoy much of your content. I do have a group I started though. Did a while ago. Nowhere near as large or influential as your though. So thank you for the suggestion and good luck. I just voiced a point of view I was hoping (even if you didn’t agree with) you would at least take seriously. I listened to your entire video and though you made very good points. I definitely agree with the link you made between Religious privilege and policy decisions that affect us all. While a fair point, I thought I made at least an articulate fair counter point.
@@SansDeity You're buying into the delusion of the Universe out of nothing and without a cause and worst is that you are deluding others too. And this with the purpose to pretend that since you deny our Creator, neither His expectancies that we live a moraly life would be true, so we, you actually, may besmirch yourselves in any sin and immorality, as booze, fapping while watching porn, fornication, lie, hate people, cheat and gossip and so on.
You kind of guess what's immoral, for God ingrained in us the conscience, a sort of compass to guide us so we know right from wrong.
Matt Dillahunty l challenge you to address each piece of evidence in the following documentary videos l post, until you do address with scientific scrutiny each piece of evidence, God and creation are proven true. I wrote to you in the comments section of one of your previous clips but to no avail, you kept silent, why would it be..? Silence is an answer too, you've lost and God is proven true.
You can't evade the empirical known facts, everything needs a source and a ultimate eternal source and cause, order requires an intelligent agent, fine tuning requires a highly skilled and intelligent creator, life require life to come out of, information in DNA and the language to read that information, both found in DNA, require a high intelligence and many known laws are violated by an Universe out of nothing with no cause and no creator.
I may name them but l prefere to once more prove creation with scientific data and with quotes of secular scientists, meanwhile to kill your evil-ution-ism in another way, by falsifying the idea of an old Solar System and Universe with the aforementioned pieces of evidence and quotes, with other words to shot two rabbits with a bullet, figuratively writing.
Let's begin with proving a young Solar System and creation with a sheer amount of scientific data discovered and received by mostly secular scientists in the last decades, so give a Yt search for; "What you aren't being told about astronomy vol.1" and then 2 and 3 for the Universe and its origins.
There along with a sheer amount of data which falsify an old Solar System and big bang idea and reveal creation, you and anyone may read quotes of those secular scientists acknowledging their own ideas falsified by the data received, along with the references and the time stamps of those particular quotes to be able to double check them.
Meanwhile creation is again proven true, this time here and for all of you.
Also meanwhile evolution is falsified by revealing that the pretended millions and billions of years they claim would sufice that such process could happen, are actually missing from Earth's history.
In the near future l might have the pleasure to falsify once more, directly this time, that idea which actually is already revealed to be evil-ution-ism.
Someone has yet to bring evidence for a case when something came out of nothing and without a cause and order, systems and information don't require an intelligent creative agent.
Until then creation is proven true by empirical observation, logic, common sense and a sheer amount of evidence presented in the afore posted documentary videos.
For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.
Robert Jastrow, God and the Astronomers
Visual pieces of evidence for God of the Bible:
1. Turin Shroud:
A. "BBC SHROUD OF TURIN NEW EVIDENCE"
B. "Turin Shroud: The New Evidence (Shroud of Turin) | History Documentary | Reel Truth History".
2. (A honest guy alone by the fact that there are over 300 legends around the globe about the great flood, would acknowledge it for real): Here the YT title to search for:
"The REAL Noah's Ark FOUND by Archaeologist Ron Wyatt! - Short Documentary"
The flood, about which many nations left legends and testimonies, out of its results Charles Lyell, in his attempt to deny God too, drawn an imaginary fossil record as it would take billions of years to lay it down, when we observe hardly any fossilising process nowadays but there are cemeteries with billions of plants and animals buried and even on the top of Himalaya mountains are found fossilised clams and fish. Additionally it has to be said that the fossilising process doesn't take long according to the newest empirical observation.
3. Sodom and Gomorrah where it is indeed found brimstone fallen just like the rain on burned out cities, the scientists analysed the brimstone found there and is of about 98,400% purity and such concentration of sulfur isn't found in nature anywhere else, hence, the evidence being a genuine action of God, whereas there are other chemical compounds in it, which just raise the temperature, there is also visible the salt/stoned wife of Lot... The YT title to search for:
"Sodom and Gomorrah- proof of the supernatural".
4. The bottom of the Red Sea where the people of Israel crossed it when God provided them a passage, there are found wheels from the carriages belonging to the era when the Egyptians used indeed such constructive models, four spiked for example, right at the bottom of the shallower and only place where the sea could be passed. The Gg title to search for:
"Red Sea Crossing - Ark Discovery"
5. The Holy Light which is given from above only to the orthodox patriarch since centuries in Jerusalem at the celebration of Christ's resurrection out of the tomb Christ layed for 3 days in, it is a light/fire which doesn't burn anything and isn't hot for about 20 minutes, it is only about 42C° warm measured and analysed by a scientist, so in the time span of about 20 min the people put the flames of 33 candles, huge flames in their beards, hair, faces, eyelids and eye brows, without becoming living torches but not even their facial/hair burn, whereas such cold fire can't be provided by human beings, nor by natural processes, hence that is the evidence of a genuine God's wonder, there from the light is spread and given into the whole orthodox christian world, the YT titles to search for:
A. "Holy Light (Holy Fire) in Jerusalem: Proofs & Testimonies"
B. "For the Faithless - The Proof of the Holy Fire of Jerusalem"
C. "The Holy Fire in Scripture, History, and Science".
@@SansDeity Where are you Matt, hiding behind your delusive concealment of the Universe out of nothing?
@@diablosmda324 In my mind they tend to be tied together, to some extent at least. That's because I tend to see religion as serving a particular purpose that is contingent on material circumstances. Dunno if "evolutionary" would fit the bill, but it's at least a purpose in the sense of promoting group cohesion and stability. The basic idea would be that the more stability and human flourishing you have, the less religion is needed. So when I think about how to get rid of religion, I don't think so much about convincing individuals to change their beliefs, but rather about how to improve their material conditions so that religion isn't all that necessary anymore. Give people job security, a reliable retirement scheme and hope for their children and you're already well underway to minimize the hold religion has on society. To my mind, it's not particularly surprising that the US is the outlier among all industrialised nations in terms of religiosity. It has far fewer social safety nets than the rest, which creates the gap in stability that religion can then fill.
Re: the second amendment specifically, I'd just say that a society that feels its citizens needed to be armed, whether that's to stave off tyranny or to protect themselves from criminals, well, that's not a society that has much stability, and therefore it's a society where religion will have a strong hold. That's not to say you should scrap that amendment right now. But if you can't get to a place where citizens no longer feel that amendment is necessary, then you won't get to a place where society can afford to be more secular. So, to me at least, it's not inconsistent to be atheist and pro second amendment, but it would be inconsistent to be an atheist who wants religion to dwindle in his society while at the same time supporting the kind of instability that makes people need religion in the first place.
As a open Atheist my fight goes to any issue that its aim is to chip away freedom, equality and pursuit of happiness to all.
What are we fighting for? The right to live a superstitious-free life, for one thing. The right to not have other people force their superstitious beliefs on us. That's just for starters.
Fuckin' A!
@@krizula1117 There are no gods and there is no sin, lazy brains. You do know that hinduism is the world's eldest religion?
So, you are obviously referring to Brahma.
Tell me, how would you know if you have accrued enough good karma to avoid a lifetime in Naraka?
@Nathan Blair Do you think that all fiction is superstition?
When you read "Alice in Wonderland", do you believe that those events happened in our shared reality? Oris it just language to inspire imagery in the mind? If you found a cake with a note that said, "Eat me", would you expect to shrink in size?
You have been reminded of the accurate definitions of these two words, so now I will be on my way. I'm late, I'm late, I'm late! For a very important date!
@PhantomStranger The god of random capitals and poor punctuation.
@@krizula1117 Got any evidence your so-called god is more than superstitious nonsense? If you can't prove your so-called god is real sin is just an imaginary crime against it.
I became disillusioned with the atheist movement some years back for a number of reasons.
One of the main ones was that huge sections of the community started to feel like predominantly straight, "white", cis, men of means turning into a victims group. Worse than that, many seemed like they wanted to keep it as closed off as possible too, as mentioned here. It was like they were more interested in patting eachother on the back for answering one question the same way and acting like it made them radically different people.
Another is that in some ways it felt like normalization, assimilation, and the "we're just like you" approach was just not what I was looking for. Name a movement that it's worked for, there really aren't any. Surface level improvements at best. It's why most movements lack teeth and get nowhere in the end.
And the thing that killed me the most was terms like "free thinker", "rationalist", "apistevist", "critical thinker", "skeptic", etc, being thrown around like not being religious was all that required, like answering"no" or "I don't know " to the god question meant a person didn't hold tons of other irrational positions and have sacred and off limits topics no different than the religious. I mostly saw so many people who weren't very rational about anything, that didn't think critically at all, that had sacred cows all over the place, that had topics - important topics that they wouldn't even discuss and clung to with blind faith, that lacked anything resembling free thought, and who weren't skeptical of anything but certain myths.
Then we started seeing huge chunks lurch right and take on very reactionary positions that were nearly indistinguishable from evangelicals up to and including standing with them over anyone pushing towards equality.
The world is big and complicated and I felt like I didn't belong in the movement at all. So I opted for a more holistic approach with the organizing and actions I'd already been doing for years. Even though I don't consider myself to be in the atheist movement like that anymore (I'm still an atheist fighting for all the same things, just a lot more than just those things) it's been great seeing that some people are taking that broader approach. Stay at it, family!
I whole heartedly agree that atheism should not take a 'we're just like you' weak relationship building stance. Atheism should be clear and direct, as you would find from a doctor's prognosis. Atheists need to inform this disillusioned theist that the theist's claim has not met the level of belief required.
Atheism is a belief in multiple senses, while the most insane and anti empirical science is that you believe that the Universe came out of nothing, without a cause and without a creator.
Secondly is a dishonest proposition because no one can prove God doesn't exist because nobody is able to check at once all there is, any other eventual dimensions included to acknowledge there is no God and could even less provide the evidence for that.
If however someone would be able to perform the aforementioned, he/she would prove the opposite of the intended, omnipresence being not available for people but a godly trait, that person would prove to be God him/herself.
But as revealed, since our empirical observation requires a source, a cause and a creator for the Universe as we know it, atheism is a lie, dishonesty or ignorance at best.
Because nobody can check all there is at once, one could pretend to be at best agnostic but then again, this by ignoring the empirical observation that everything needs a source and a cause and order, laws, systems, fine tuning, information, language and life do require an intelligent creator and would still have to ignore the sheer amount of all sort of evidence and testimonies.
Then atheism also means ignoring the sheer amount of testimonies along the history, the sheer amount of scientific data evidence for creation and a young Solar System and Earth gathered in the last decades and would also mean ignoring multiple pieces of evidence for God of the Bible.
So yes, atheism is a belief against empirical observation, against science, against testimonies and against evidence.
Atheism is only a dishonest proposition and blinding tool propaganda for those who want to live lose and immoral and intent to fool the others to besmirch themselves too in the same stinky puddle of immoral dirt.
Atheism is therefore the worst sort of dishonest and/or ignorant belief and l'd say, taking into account that the eternal life is at risk, the most detrimental and destructive belief, actually delusion.
Atheism can't even be named a honest belief, because everyone knows ultimately by own empirical observation that everything needs a source and a cause.
But if you or anubody else for that matter, is able to present evidence for something coming out of nothing, please present it.
@@robertdumicz7309 Extremely long reply you did, but I'm happy to inform you where you went wrong.
Your 1st couple of lines and then your last line, and therefore encapsulating your entire post! It is YOU who believes something came out of nothing, not atheists remember?
You believe with a blink of an eye or mere spoken words, that an entire universe of things came about!
YOU believe in something from nothing.
Since you could see that as argumentative, since you claim 1 thing, then I claim another, I'll make it easy for you.
When the entire world did not know where powerful extremely loud and bright lightning came from, they deduced that only a God could create such a thing. I'm sure you too would had agreed at the time.
Similar correlated misunderstandings, went with: mental illness caused by proposed demons; evil wicked witches casting spells (because how else do these women do it?) and so many more, here's one that constantly makes me laugh: A Creator God blinked the universe into existence! Lol to that one, thankfully we now know better than to jump to unsubstantiated irrational beliefs from beyond Lol.
The time to believe in ANYTHING is after the evidence and reasoning is supplied, and never before (NEVER).
However, if you do believe in your guess before the evidence and or reasoning is supplied, then you look like a gullible twit.
Any evidence for your lightning God?
Any evidence for your Creator God?
GET IT YET? I realize it may take some time for you to say: Why the hell am I believing in this ridiculous claimed God.
But evidence shows that people do let go of their absurd beliefs.
I want to be very clear here to you.
What you said was pathetic. This is not an attack on you, it's about your beliefs as you presented them. It is shameful of you, you embarrass yourself.
I inform you of this fact, because if you ever do recover from your backward belief, you may say: Why didn't anyone inform me my belief was ridiculous.
I just did, you're welcome.
@@kimsland999 God our Creator was, is and always will be, as GOD Himself stated: "l am Alpha and Omega, The BEGINNING and The END !"
Be thankful to GOD for all the gifts and for His existence, because otherwise you wouldn't either be there!
And indeed, scientifically empirical observation and evidence reveals that only from something something comes, if there were a time there was nothing, there couldn't ever be anything, not even time! Therefore a eternal source is the only viable and possible explanation. But as a source, be it eternal, lacks the creative power and intelligence to create order, fine tuned systems, information and language, life, The Creator is revealed by our empirical knowledge, logic and common sense. And sure enough the Bible which is the Book of books, among others, being the main and most comprehensive and detailed source of ancient history for the hystorians, reveals our Creator creating the Universe from out of space and time. Bible which is confirmed to reveal the truth whenever it touches scientific facts
In the following article are written down 12 scientific facts written of in the Bible and acknowledged to be true only in the last decades with the newest scientific technology, so give a Gg search for:
Science and the Bible - NASA agrees with the Bible | Facts ...
Therefore God is necessary and mandatory, any other possibility being excluded according to our empirical knowledge but also according to the sheer amount of evidence l already presented a huge number of.
To recapitulate, God always was, is and will be. God is timeless, He doesn't obey any of the parameters He created, as time, space, matter, nor decay.
@@kimsland999 God our Creator and The Creator of the Universe could've create the Universe out of nothing, in which case is a supernatural creation, or out of own energy, known being the fact that energy is matter in another form, so in this case the creation is as we call it, natural.
Since we observe that anything has a source and a cause, God is supernatural but necessary according to our empirical knowledge that anything has to have a source and a cause.
But since non eternal sources beg the question of their origins forever and push that question back forever, the logical and only possibility is God The Eternal Creator, but since a simple source, even if eternal doesn't sufice because according to our empirical knowledge order doesn't result by hazard out of chaos but a intelligent agent is needed, laws to govern the ordonated Universe have to have a law giver, the information and the language to read that information both found in DNA need intelligence behind, according to our empirical knowledge and life require life to come out of or be created by, no exception known either. So if anyone is able to present the evidence that something comes out of nothing and can ultimately save something from the question of its origins, can also present the evidence that there isn't any cause behind anything and any process, can prove that order, laws, information and language don't need a intelligent agent, then what the seculars propose, even if falsified by the sheer amount of evidence for God and creation, are proven to be natural models, until then, the big bang and abiogenesis/evolution, so the models proposed by seculars, are; Firstly supernatural because the matter of the Universe has no natural source, secondly supernatural because it has no cause, thirdly is supernatural because it has no point in time to take place, fourthly is supernatural because it has no point in space either, since before the apparition of the Universe there wasn't anything, fifthly is supernatural because the order seen in the Universe doesn't appear by itself according to empirical knowledge, sixthly is supernatural because according to our knowledge systems as the Solar System is, need a intelligent creator, seventhly it is supernatural because laws as those which govern the Universe as gravity and laws of physics, chemistry and biology require a law giver, eightly it is supernatural because also according to our empirical knowledge behind every bit of information and behind any language there is intelligence and ninethly is supernatural because only biogenesis is observed, no abiogenesis.
Therefore by rejecting the only logical explanation which The Creator is, because is supernatural, you end up with multiple super-super-super-super-super-super-super-super-supernatural phenomenons.
I am not exaggerating when I say that it is a tremendous honour and noble mind to dedicate your life to looking for truth and a better modus vivindi.
Christ is The Way, The Truth, The Life !!!
My wife is from Uganda and I plan to eventually move there. The LGBTQIA community there live with death threats daily! And a lot of the reason is because American missionaries have gone there and persuaded their politicians to pass hateful laws that encourage violence! That's why I'll never be silent and I'll always fight for LGBTQIA rights!!
Western missionaries are the death knell of Indigenous communities everywhere.
You have rights since God created us with a free will.
Who forbid you or to those who enjoy that abomination towards our Creator, to sleep in bed with whoever you or they want..?
But to proudly brag about in demonstrations and on the streets is decadence at worst and a shame.
Nevertheless there is the freedom even for that.
Don't even know if the so called protestant and Catholic are true churches of Christ.
@@robertdumicz7309 Whatever rights different people have has nothing to do with your fictional god. You should seriously consider counseling.
@@larryparis925 Which rights our God and Creator has, escapes your, mine and anyone's jurisdiction.
And if you mean fictional, then you should be able to falsify with scientific scrutiny, each piece of evidence:
In the CMB is found an infrared visible structure of the form of a cross, now guess how the secular scientists named it, "the axis of evil", for it proves the Earth to be in the center of the Universe which is evidence for creation and confirming the Bible, for what are the chances for the Earth to find itself by hazzard middle such enormous Universe..? Kind of like 0,0000000000000000000000000001% perhaps..? Alone this piece of evidence proves creation beyond any reasonable doubt.
This is another piece of evidence for the special position and wonderful creation by God our Creator and another confirmation of the Bible where it reveals that the earth was created before the other celestial bodies in the Universe.
But instead acknowledging it to simbolize the Cross of Christ, they name it the axis of evil, for those sold to the devil the white is black while the black is white...
Here the quote of a famous scoffer and secular scientist, none other than Lawrence Krauss after he wrote a book, "A Universe out of nothing" which book found that many poor deluded souls to buy it, that it climbed into the top charts of bestsellers for a while, quote: -"Lawrence Krauss is quoted as follows in a 2006 Edge .org article:[5]
But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That's crazy. We're looking out at the whole universe. There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun - the plane of the earth around the sun - the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe."-end quote.
The title to google for: axis of evil cosmology
And again a Yt search: "Dr. Robert Sungenis: Axis of evil"
First satellite to survey the CMB sent was COBE in 1990, it discovered the structure in the CMB which reveals the Earth middle of the Universe. Pretending to be a error, they sent another satellite Duby a map, The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe in 2001, the results the same, Earth in the center, what they tried to do they said that would've been some kind of error, for the second time ! So they sent another satellite, Planck Spacecraft in 2009 which ended its survey in 2013, with same exact results, the Earth is the center of the Universe !
Then other 2 documentaries on YT:
1.(Undebunkable) Cosmic Microwave Background Proves Intelligent Design- but by whom?
2. You are the center of the Universe, and here is why | The Science of Elite #6
There are also a multitude of other articles on that.
Furthermore in the following article are written down another 12 scientific facts written of in the Bible and acknowledged to be true only in the last decades with the newest scientific technology, so give a Gg search for:
Science and the Bible - NASA agrees with the Bible | Facts ...
The Holy Light which is given from above only to the orthodox patriarch since centuries in Jerusalem at the celebration of Christ's resurrection out of the tomb Christ layed for 3 days in, it is a light/fire which doesn't burn anything and isn't hot for about 20 minutes, it is only about 42C° lukewarm measured and analysed by a scientist, so in the time span of about 20 min the people put the flames of 33 candles, huge flames in their beards, hair, faces, eyelids and eye brows, without becoming living torches but not even their facial/hair burn, whereas such cold fire can't be provided by human beings, nor by natural processes, hence that is the evidence of a genuine God's wonder, there from the light is spread and given into the whole orthodox christian world, the YT titles to search for:
A. "Holy Light (Holy Fire) in Jerusalem: Proofs & Testimonies"
B. "For the Faithless - The Proof of the Holy Fire of Jerusalem"
C. "The Holy Fire in Scripture, History, and Science".
God of the Bible and His creation of the Universe are proven true.
@@robertdumicz7309 You are engaging in pseudo science, with a heavy dose of confirmation bias. You want to put the burden of proof on other people to assess your personal, and mistaken, beliefs. How about you try to disapprove Thor, or Krishna, or Huitzilopochtli.
I just am amazed at the fact that theist proclaim this idea that they are the ones that are wanting the world to be a great place, that human beings should have wonderful lives, and no one should be left to suffer. But their entire world view affects the world, and everyone around them in quite the opposite way. And either they don't fully grasp that idea, or they don't want to understand it. And are willing to destroy the world to apiece their faith based beliefs.
Anyone living by the teachings of Christ, does and would make the world a better place, and would inherit the eternal life in God's Kingdom and perfect happiness.
And because you claim that we only have faith based beliefs, i further down bellow falsify your claim, there is also evidence, a sheer amount of scientific data, visual and witnessable evidence for God of the Bible and creation:
In the CMB is found an infrared visible structure of the form of a cross, now guess how the secular scientists named it, "the axis of evil", for it proves the Earth to be in the center of the Universe which is evidence for creation and confirming the Bible, for what are the chances for the Earth to find itself by hazzard middle such enormous Universe..? Kind of like 0,0000000000000000000000000001% perhaps..? Alone this piece of evidence proves creation beyond any reasonable doubt.
This is another piece of evidence for the special position and wonderful creation by God our Creator and another confirmation of the Bible where it reveals that the earth was created before the other celestial bodies in the Universe.
But instead acknowledging it to simbolize the Cross of Christ, they name it the axis of evil, for those sold to the devil the white is black while the black is white...
Here the quote of a famous scoffer and secular scientist, none other than Lawrence Krauss after he wrote a book, "A Universe out of nothing" which book found that many poor deluded souls to buy it, that it climbed into the top charts of bestsellers for a while, quote: -"Lawrence Krauss is quoted as follows in a 2006 Edge .org article:[5]
But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That's crazy. We're looking out at the whole universe. There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun - the plane of the earth around the sun - the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe."-end quote.
The title to google for: axis of evil cosmology
And again a Yt search: "Dr. Robert Sungenis: Axis of evil"
First satellite to survey the CMB sent was COBE in 1990, it discovered the structure in the CMB which reveals the Earth middle of the Universe. Pretending to be a error, they sent another satellite Duby a map, The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe in 2001, the results the same, Earth in the center, what they tried to do they said that would've been some kind of error, for the second time ! So they sent another satellite, Planck Spacecraft in 2009 which ended its survey in 2013, with same exact results, the Earth is the center of the Universe !
Then other 2 documentaries on YT:
1.(Undebunkable) Cosmic Microwave Background Proves Intelligent Design- but by whom?
2. You are the center of the Universe, and here is why | The Science of Elite #6
There are also a multitude of other articles on that.
Furthermore in the following article are written down another 12 scientific facts written of in the Bible and acknowledged to be true only in the last decades with the newest scientific technology, so give a Gg search for:
Science and the Bible - NASA agrees with the Bible | Facts ...
The Holy Light which is given from above only to the orthodox patriarch since centuries in Jerusalem at the celebration of Christ's resurrection out of the tomb Christ layed for 3 days in, it is a light/fire which doesn't burn anything and isn't hot for about 20 minutes, it is only about 42C° lukewarm measured and analysed by a scientist, so in the time span of about 20 min the people put the flames of 33 candles, huge flames in their beards, hair, faces, eyelids and eye brows, without becoming living torches but not even their facial/hair burn, whereas such cold fire can't be provided by human beings, nor by natural processes, hence that is the evidence of a genuine God's wonder, there from the light is spread and given into the whole orthodox christian world, the YT titles to search for:
A. "Holy Light (Holy Fire) in Jerusalem: Proofs & Testimonies"
B. "For the Faithless - The Proof of the Holy Fire of Jerusalem"
C. "The Holy Fire in Scripture, History, and Science".
God of the Bible and His creation of the Universe are proven true.
@@robertdumicz7309 No they wouldn't! What theist don't take in consideration with their beliefs, is the fact the theist, and atheist don't know, and will never know if a God exists. No theist EVER, came out their mothers womb with the knowledge of a God or In idea of what a God actually is. Muslims and Christians are THE most indoctrinated human beings alive. Both have violence and hate against every other human being that isn't like they are. Christianity along with the rest of the nearly 300 gods, possibly more, are all taught their beliefs as they developed as an infant through adulthood. Theist try so had to promote a lie, and why? Because you fear for my soul, my life, cause you care and love me? No, theist don't love and care. Theist have no clue what real love is because their God is an abusive, jealous dictator, that theist lie for, hate for, and kill for. I'm so tired of hearing theist with bullcrap ideas and nonsense, how they all know what I think and feel. Anyone who defends religious bs shouldn't be allowed to be social. Why? Because you're defending something that is entirely written by people that lacked much in education, they didn't have info at the palm of their hands like we all do today, and I theist would take the time to actually dig deep into what their pastors tell them, and find our for themselves, what is believed. Like I said, we all are born ignorant to our surroundings. The Bible has had more edits than the whole editing community. Why do you think that is the case? 🤔 hmm! Maybe because we as human beings know there is things in the bible that shouldn't be taught? Why do theist have this idea that they are only trying to save atheist from eternal torment? How about showing love and care to the millions who really need it. Why not work together with the rest of humanity to make sure that when we die, that our grandchildren, great grandchildren, and so on, have less to worry with? Instead, you theist just say "I will pray for you poor African Americans, you poor white trash, Native Americans that had their lands stripped from what their ancestors developed and kept natural for thousands of year for them. But you wanna know what the issue really is? It's all of our fault for not paying attention! Your Bible speaks of the dangers of pride, which I think Christianity is full of that! What will destroy the human species faster than anything else, is the religious people in the US that vote for the person who "says" God first. They hear that, and they never find out anything about the person that is about to shove an "Up yours" rod, straight up your ass! What we need, for the entire world. Is for us to figure out how to eliminate poverty, stop telling the poor "You can be whatever you wanna be, it's up to you." Cause that's not true. A poor man's options are not the same as a wealthy human being. If aomeone put forth a direction to go that would make someone famous, or beyond wealthy. And you have 2 people on that path, 1 poor, 1 rich. The rich person would have little to no pushback. The poor guy would probably struggle out the gate. My point is that the belief in Christianity, Jesus, Yaweah, Muhammed, whatever. Will NEVER FIX THE WORLDS ISSUES! ONLY HUMAN BEINGS THEMSELVES.
Beautiful speech Matt. Bravo
It's ridiculous that speaking the truth puts a person in danger. That in itself speaks volumes.
Glad to see you’re feeling better! For me it’s really sad to see the ones you care about so duped by this religion.
Well, that cleared up things for me in a better way of understanding some things I was not understanding before. Thank you.
10:37 : "...and what's next -- home owners associations?..." Hell yeah.
I just got sucked into 'itscomplicated' channel. Great question asker thanks for posting Matt!!!
Twenty years ago, in basic training at Great Lakes, I got my dog tags that read NORELPREF as opposed to the RC that I swear I had requested. I still keep those dog tags on my night stand and sometimes wonder if that typo was something of an _athiest miracle._
Yep, yes, yes! WTF is going on over there? I'm in Australia. We don't really give a toss about this bullsh!t. We'd rather go to the footy, then go to the pub, and sleep in on Sundays!!!!!!!
Yeah. And you guys are really thriving down there.
@@bradleyperry1735 vague sarcasm epic fail
@@scambammer6102 Do you have a point?
We're fighting for a world where argument is based on evidence and reason, of which faith is an enemy.
That’s a position of faith haha
@@MadebyJimbob how so? What claims about the world have I made without evidence? None, in fact.
@@dk6024 the claim that we ought to pursue a world based on evidence and reason
@Shylan Raiff I never asserted the reasons, therefore I never made a claim, faith based or otherwise.
@Shylan Raiff
our existence is instinctive. Unless something goes wrong psychologically, we all have an inherent preference for survival - for living.
If we want to live - and we do - then we should behave in a manner that most facilitates that desire.
Reason has been shown to be the most trustworthy source of beneficial outcomes - outcomes that maximally facilitate life.
So if we want to live - then we should use reason.
reasonable decision making, for the most part. fighting psychologic terror would be another one.
i knew several gay women in the air force in 1976. i never outed them and never would have. i would have flat out lied before ever outing anyone.
76 was STILL a bad time for gays in the wider community. Many horror stories made against them that I couldn't begin to repeat.
@@kimsland999 oh, i'm well-aware of that, but i learned about lgbt+ when i was 12 and i have always been a staunch ally.
I agree with Matt if we can help with one issue we should try to help others with their issues
For me one key goal would be to stop (to the extent possible) having people indoctrinate, mislead and traumatise their children and others, to teach people how to think critically from a very young age and to make sure they have a decent understanding and appreciation of science. Stopping the religious from infringing on the rights of those outside their religion is important, but it's also important to stop indoctrination and to give people a proper education. Those goals might go hand in hand.
Let's see where, when and what indoctrination is practiced in institutions which, unlike the churches, are mandatory for children, so no matter wanted or not, by the parents and/or children, they are inoculated with the delusion of the Universe out of nothing... That's the way the detractors of own Creator manage to delude and fabricate a deluded and immoral society, by bypassing the right of the parents to chose if the idea of all out of nothing is inoculated into their children or not.
That mandatory inoculation is filthy and unrightful and now they got to the next step, evilish inoculation the minds of the children with sex at ages they don't have either the interest, nor the biological development to sustain such acts...
Furthermore the next step is already taken, inoculating all the people with harmful substances they call vaccine, mandatory as the time got by... The more we accept, the more they push on us...
Indoctrination is what they did on you and did pretty on all the people in the institutions they call educational system, where they lied to us all that the Universe, you and we all included, would've appeared out of nothing and with no cause, thus betraying the very science they preach to serve.
And they did such indoctrination beginning with ages we weren't even able to think properly and doubt their knowledge or honesty, let alone having the audacity to challenge their honesty and knowledge.
However, the difference between you and l is that while l awake out of their delusion, you still swim in it, most probably because you found a service in pretending that fornication, greed, lie, gossip and perhaps many other sins and issues would be ok, since you deny God, The One Who gave the Ten Commandments...
The most frustrating part about this conversation is that we have to have it and it is very necessary. There is intersectionality between other human rights issues and religion and it's the right thing to address.
Where do rights come from?
@@walnutoil100 why are you asking
Yeah it baffles me too...a comment I see a lot is "You must have faith in something" and I've thought about that for a while and I do have faith in one thing: That one day all this will be over, we will live in a society that actually makes sense and nobody will have to explain to another person why it's a bad idea to persecute people.
@@atomiccrouton Because he's a troll, just ignore him.
@@memitim171 I don't have faith that we'll ever get there but it sure is worth fighting to try. Even if we don't succeed, we'll still be farther along than we were yesterday.
We are fighting to clear reality and remove delusions , because once we get to that point we can search through the world and understand it I want to understand reality and existence, because in order to solve any mystery we have to look and search and then find , and not assume that we already have the solution because the solution made its way to us , that's just not possible,( who ever was silent about the truth is a mute devil. )
Based on your worldview the truth itself is a delusional lol
@Shylan Raiff
metaphor and simile, there are no devils
@@MadebyJimbob
Hey mr,lol the truth for me is anything real , so the fact that earth is round that makes it a truth , so when we are able to detect something and define it as real or fact we can call it truth
@@rinos7902 the truth itself a concept, based on your own position isn’t concrete or real. Congrats
@@rinos7902 you can’t establish any theory of correspondence to physical reality without first assuming and appealing to unreal things, language, math, meaning, logic, geometry. You really haven’t thought about this have you? Hey you should jump on my stream today to talk about it
It's also not just atheists in other countries who are attacked for blasphemy, it still happens right here in the US. We get calls all the time into Recovering From Religion of atheists who live in rural Bible Belt communities who are closeted because they are in literal fear of being harmed by their community. Some even say that it's easier to be gay in these communities than to be an atheist. This is something we really need to recognize more. Look at what happened to Telltale. It's still an ongoing threat of atheists who have to remain in the closet for their own safety.
Sounds creepy - “Children of the Cross”
Well said Matt!!
This is timely considering the recent news.
Anyone who claims to speak on behalf of a God is a grifter. So I guess I am against grifters.
@fatopossum the bible is gibberish it says whatever you want it to say
Agree🤙🤙🤙
So you speak on behalf of nothing which would've create the Universe you live in, along with yourself...
@@robertdumicz7309 or you could have finished grade school and learned English
@@scambammer6102 Writing about English but beginning the phrase with lowercase letter and no period at the end of it...
Interesting to hear you say you were openly atheist in the Navy. When I joined the army, I was asked about what religion to put on my dog tag. When I said none, I was pushed until I eventually gave them my mom's religion (Lutheran).
Why did you capitulate?
I was in the USAF 1964-1968; my dog tags say "No Rel Pref" (still have them). In the Air Force, I met several atheists. I grew up in a small town in Virginia where there was daily prayer on the PA in school, but I became an atheist at about 15. There too in a town of 2,000 I had several atheist my age. It's actually nuttier now than back in my day. I think it's because Atheism is growing with the help of the internet and the Thumpers feel the pressure.
@@dimbulb23 That no preference thing really bugged me. It makes it sound like Catholic, Hindu, or whatever are all fine with you. But I did have a preference, and that preference was for no religion. The tags should say "none" instead of "no pref".
@@michaelsommers2356 I respectfully disagree. Such tags should read the equivalent of "No Superstitions" or, stated positively, "Humanist".
@@larryparis925 the opposite of no superstitions is skeptic not humanist
Should I oppose the banning of books, or just the books I read? I don’t plan on opening a maths textbook in Florida, but different books in different places will benefit from the same objection.
Why would you want to ban the books you read? Why wouldn't you open a math book in florida? Different books would benefit from what objection?
To be free from religious corecion laws and a theocracy
Atheist Debates, Matt, well put! Tyranny anywhere is Tyranny everywhere! This is one of those 'objective truths' everyone keeps talking about. One day, hopefully, we will all be 'Earhlings'!!! It's not an American thing, it's a species thing! 👍❤🥰✌
Well, hello there my fellow ape.
@@bdf2718 Somehow you just don't look as simian as I lol! But hello! ❤💖😘✌
@@laurajarrell6187 I may not look simian but I watch _Rationality Rules._
@@bdf2718 👍❤🥰✌
Exelentes videos. Saludos desde Argentina
Perfectly said! Thank you for addressing this.
Agree full heartedly
Matt, you might consider pulling this and then re-uploading with higher audio levels. It's pretty quiet.
nicely said, sir
This is excellent. Beyond that, this discussion reminds of the Atheism+ arguments that arose beginning around 2012. Yes, 10 years ago. Many (male) atheists vehemently opposed this at the time. Credit to Mr. Dillahunty for promoting the larger perspective that affects all of us - women, LGBTQ, Humanists, and rational people, as well as furthering the creation of better conditions for Humanists of the future - whatever they choose to call themselves.
Matt can say whatever he wants, and other atheists can disagree with him whenever they want. This is a non-issue.
Yes please call yourself atheist+ and lets not get it confused with actual atheism which means you aren't adopting a religious or political ideology because that is what I am. I don't share your political ideology. I am just not religious.
@@oswinhull4203 I consider myself far, far more than "just not religious." I strongly promote the viewpoints of science, women's rights, secular education, First Peoples, and Humanism, among other perspectives that lead to the betterment of humankind.
It's funny that Matt says this because in the mid 2010s the skeptic community changed from atheism into the alt-right pipeline. It's nice to see things are changing for the better
liar. alt right was never skeptical. you don't even know what the word means.
The problem is why does a reported lover of his own creation do absolutely nothing for over 2000 years to help his creation and then expect worship? Crazy
It's simply empathy that creates "mission drift" I'm totally for it. But also, being in more faucets of society, spring gaat, trans, science etc, in all of those fields you make yourself known it's advertising too
My answer to this question is: the right to not have to deal with overly religious people who get pandered to while humanity itself falls apart. I'm tired of hearing how much better they are just "because". I want people to become more sceptical and use their brains instead of just falling in line.
Following is falling in line:
Let's see where, when and what indoctrination is practiced in institutions which, unlike the churches, are mandatory for children, so no matter wanted or not, by the parents and/or children, they are inoculated with the delusion of the Universe out of nothing... That's the way the detractors of own Creator manage to delude and fabricate a deluded and immoral society, by bypassing the right of the parents to chose if the idea of all out of nothing is inoculated into their children or not.
That mandatory inoculation is filthy and unrightful and now they got to the next step, evilish inoculation the minds of the children with sex at ages they don't have either the interest, nor the biological development to sustain such acts...
Furthermore the next step is already taken, inoculating all the people with harmful substances they call vaccine, mandatory as the time got by... The more we accept, the more they push on us...
Indoctrination is what they did on you and did pretty on all the people in the institutions they call educational system, where they lied to us all that the Universe, you and we all included, would've appeared out of nothing and with no cause, thus betraying the very science they preach to serve.
And they did such indoctrination beginning with ages we weren't even able to think properly and doubt their knowledge or honesty, let alone having the audacity to challenge their honesty and knowledge.
However, the difference between you and l is that while l awake out of their delusion, you still swim in it, most probably because you found a service in pretending that fornication, greed, lie, gossip and perhaps many other sins and issues would be ok, since you deny God, The One Who gave the Ten Commandments...
And that is skeptical, critical and based on empirical observation and evidence thinking:
God our Creator and The Creator of the Universe could've create the Universe out of nothing, in which case is a supernatural creation, or out of own energy, known being the fact that energy is matter in another form, so in this case the creation is as we call it, natural.
Since we observe that anything has a source and a cause, God is supernatural but necessary according to our empirical knowledge that anything has to have a source and a cause.
But since non eternal sources beg the question of their origins forever and push that question back forever, the logical and only possibility is God The Eternal Creator, but since a simple source, even if eternal doesn't sufice because according to our empirical knowledge order doesn't result by hazard out of chaos but a intelligent agent is needed, laws to govern the ordonated Universe have to have a law giver, the information and the language to read that information both found in DNA need intelligence behind, according to our empirical knowledge and life require life to come out of or be created by, no exception known either. So if anyone is able to present the evidence that something comes out of nothing and can ultimately save something from the question of its origins, can also present the evidence that there isn't any cause behind anything and any process, can prove that order, laws, information and language don't need a intelligent agent, then what the seculars propose, even if falsified by the sheer amount of evidence for God and creation, are proven to be natural models, until then, the big bang and abiogenesis/evolution, so the models proposed by seculars, are; Firstly supernatural because the matter of the Universe has no natural source, secondly supernatural because it has no cause, thirdly is supernatural because it has no point in time to take place, fourthly is supernatural because it has no point in space either, since before the apparition of the Universe there wasn't anything, fifthly is supernatural because the order seen in the Universe doesn't appear by itself according to empirical knowledge, sixthly is supernatural because according to our knowledge systems as the Solar System is, need a intelligent creator, seventhly it is supernatural because laws as those which govern the Universe as gravity and laws of physics, chemistry and biology require a law giver, eightly it is supernatural because also according to our empirical knowledge behind every bit of information and behind any language there is intelligence and ninethly is supernatural because only biogenesis is observed, no abiogenesis.
Therefore by rejecting the only logical explanation which The Creator is, because is supernatural, you end up with multiple super-super-super-super-super-super-super-super-supernatural phenomenons.
@@robertdumicz7309 TLDR.
Your entire argument is based on the presupposition of a creator being needed. You cannot demonstrate this.
There is no critical analysis that leads to any empirically proven supernatural cause for ANYTHING. Every time we discover how something works &/or whete it came from, science clearly shows a natural cause.
Your points jump about based solely on assumptions about how the world works, and nothing demonstrable.
@@robertdumicz7309 Also: break up your paragraphs. That was a pain just to skim through and I won't be reading any more walls of text.
@@mischarowe No, it is the other way around, all i wrote is based on our empirical observation, yours included, anything needs a source and a cause, systems, order, fine tuning, information and the language to read that information, both found in DNA, all of those need an intelligent creator.
But if you or anybody else for that matter, are able to provide evidence for a single exception from that rule, please provide it, meanwhile creation is proven true, based on our empirical knowledge.
Ok, since you're sensitive to continous texts, i will in the future break those pieces of evidence for God of the Bible and creation in multiple segments.
Couple of decades an atheist ? I resigned from the Primitive Methodists in 1958 when they demanded I pledge to renounce women and drink. I was eleven... I didn't have a beer until I was 18 or a girlfriend until I was 21, so their efforts to save my soul were moot...
I spent 20 years debating this stuff and finally stopped. The arguments really haven't changed and once you realize the main apologists are con artists you see the futility of it.
That does not mean that we shouldn't defend ourselves or keep religious fanatics from attempting to poison the constitutional well, so to speak and I do see channels like yours as being important, simply because free speech only works if we use it. If we stay silent and allow the extremists to dictate reality, things will not end well.
What are we running for? When there's no place we can run to anymore?-Pat Benatar
Were you trying to make a tutorial here on how to waste space in a comment section?
Right on, Matt.
What is the point of liberating people mentally from the tyranny of gods and superstitions if they are still shackled bodily, socially, or societally, often by precepts of said gods and superstitions that have disseminated into the secular structure of our society?
yep, liberation comes in both the mind of the people and the material conditions they live in, i dont think one can go without the other.
eh gender relations is way more complicated than atheism
Some of live for the fight because it’s all that we’ve got.
There is also a lot of cross over with atheists regarding both LGBT & women's rights! While I have taken a step back for the atheist community to focus on parenting and our children's special needs...... but I think it is important for the atheist community to stand for equality! To elaborate on the importance of equality...... 😐 over the years there have been multiple scandals in the atheist community and we need to make it clear that shit has no place in our community!
Why chastise callers for bringing up topics not directly related to atheism if you want to unify some kind of secular humanist position under the banner of atheism? It makes perfect sense to me if there is a clear through-line from religious imposition on non theistic individuals to discuss those points. But you have consistently stated that atheism holds you to no other view than not being convinced a deity or deities exist. You would recognize that there are atheists who hold vastly differing views on any other given topic. If you want to be entirely consistent in the position you've stated in this video; that circumstances religions may have a 'moral' impact on ought to be included in your mission, so to speak, why not advocate for veganism for instance? Who draws the lines of ethical consideration when it comes to an atheistic agenda? I tend to agree with those you have mentioned within the ACA who are critical of the shift of focus for the Atheist Experience as a formally single serving issue production. There are many other platforms affiliated that deal with other potentially related issues. Why not let the focus of the show be what it says on the tin?
Beautifully articulate as always, Matt. Thank you.
As a recovered christian, which was forced upon me and my siblings from earliest childhood, the greatest gift I ever received was freedom from the fallacious, backward and misogynistic beliefs with which christianity had been strangling me. While I relaxed into agnosticism, my parents were stuck with their oppressive beliefs and continued both to worry about my "not being saved when the Rapture occurs (any day now. . . )" and to harass me with talk about Jesus and God and the Bible which I had to repeatedly explain were meaningless concepts to me, and why. I usually had to explain all of Comparative Religions 101 from freshman year of college as well as Church History and so forth. Very tiresome. Yet all that I felt was completely destructive to the religion begat a defensive response with them that ended nowhere. My mother in particular continues to have deep concern/fear for my not getting into Heaven. I happen to believe in reincarnation now, so that doesn't worry me at all.
The fact that Matt is in favor of HOAs tells me everything I need to know.
Matt, if you ran for president, I'd vote for you in a heartbeat. No hesitation.
This is bizarre to me, a country that believes in "freedom" has laws that say you must believe in God to run for office. In Australia, we have elected multiple atheists as our Prime Minister, plus some agnostics. It's rare here for our leaders (other then right wing fringe political parties) to even talk about religion at any real length.
Facts, Truth, indoctrination, brainwashed, discrimination, solutions for earth problem
thats worth to fighting for
18:45 you mean, every time the mission has drifted you've liked where it drifted to. Pretending "mission drift" is the correct form of activism because you like how it's moving doesn't change what it is.
You seem to be neglecting the idea that not supporting these other communities and ideals is also a position.
To say "I will not say anything about Gay people because that does not support atheism," surrenders that community to a hateful religious majority that becomes stronger for oppressing them.
To say "I will not say anything about trans people because that does not support atheism" surrenders that community to a hateful religious majority that becomes stronger for oppressing them.
To say "I will not say anything about voting rights, because that does not support atheism" surrenders every disenfranchised voter to a hateful religious majority that becomes stronger for oppressing them.
Atheism as a statement of belief is only about not believing in a god, but atheist activism IS going to be a left leaning action by default because atheist activism opposes religious authoritarianism.
If the goal of atheist activism is freedom from religious oppression then dismantling the ways in which religion can utilize it's power on marginalized groups isn't mission creep, it's the mission.
@@Galanthos You agree with Matt, then. Good for you that you agree with the mission creep. If atheism was the point, none of that would matter.
The entirety of the atheist question is about god, not religion. Hate Christians and everything they stand for if you want, but that doesn't make it an atheistic point. Call yourself anti-Christian or Humanist, but atheist is a very specific answer to a very specific question.
Unless you believe the only possible reason to oppose any of those things is belief in god, in which case you haven't listened to a lot of the arguments they use or tried to actually understand the opposition. Most fall back on god at a basic level, but you'd probably dislike a presuppositional argument being used to dismiss your reasons because your overall worldview is wrong. According to them.
The point of an atheist community isn't just to sit in a room and say "Yup, we sure don't believe in God. This is nice."
The point of an atheist community is to take the actions that secure the right for us to continue to be able to say "Yup. We sure don't believe in God. This is nice."
There is a difference between being an atheist and the mission of an atheist organization like American Atheist or the Atheist Community of Austin which you seem to be willfully misunderstanding in order to paint the logical actions of an activist organisation as incongruent with their beliefs.
@@Galanthos My point is that once they branch out into other things, they're no longer a community of atheists. They're a community of humanists or anti-Christians.
To address your point, would you consider an atheist community of right-wing atheists that advocated against all of those things still an atheist community? Or would you agree with me that they've left their atheist commonality behind to take a political stand?
The ability to say "We sure don't believe in God. This is nice." has nothing to do with your sexuality, preference, color, or anything else political. When you take on the responsibility to make sure anyone can say "We sure are x. This is nice." where x is not atheist, you're not an atheist community anymore. It doesn't matter how many of the new community were/are atheist either.
You're agreeing with all of those vapid Christian apologists that atheism is all the ideas of an atheist they can point at. Atheist communities that branch out of atheism while retaining the name of atheist is where their ammunition comes from and why correct arguments that atheism isn't a worldview fall flat. Because "atheist" communities insist on becoming broad-spectrum political agents. Believe what you want, advocate for what you want, but don't pretend that you're still advocating for atheism when you leave the question of god(s) behind.
An atheist community that opposed gay rights, trans rights, and women's healthcare would still be an atheist activist group, but they'd be great allies to a church that is going to crush them once everyone else is dealt with. I think it would be doing a bad job at actually advocating for Atheists, but they would still be Atheists doing what I would hope they think is best for Atheists to be able to exist and thrive. They would be an atheist community.
But the political issue of Atheism is a first amendment issue. It is an advocation for freedom of and freedom from religion, freedom of speech, freedom to privacy, and the ability to pursue life liberty and happiness. Fighting with other groups that can be similarly targeted doesn't take away from fighting for religious freedom. A victory for LGBTQ rights is a victory for Atheism, because the systems that oppress us are the same. A defeat for Women's Healthcare is a defeat for Atheism for the same reasons. A supreme court that will overturn Roe v. Wade is a supreme court that can overturn Torcaso v. Watkins.
Atheists should make a stance against any ideas/laws based on supernaturalism. LGBT issues etc quite clearly fall under that umbrella.
I want people to accept rational arguments and demand justification before jumping to conclusions.
funny you should say that as matt just performed a giant non sequitur
Organize a group of altruists that do things that fit the definition of altruism. Feed people, educate people, benefit people.
At the groundroots, beliefs inform actions. And just as I do not want people to have harmful beliefs, I do not want people to have harmful actions. So if these social issues need attention, of course I as an atheist would want to act upon them.
you should want to act morally whether or not you are an atheist. the two issues are unrelated.
If I advocate for the rights of a fellow human being it's not because I owe him that.
ok then, why?
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The world is set up to undermine me at every turn. All of you (human beings) are the world. The fact is, I don't owe any of you anything. If I'm going to treat any of you with respect it's not going to be because I owe any of you that. Instead it's going to be because my so called moral development has been such as to not prevent it, that's all.
I don't care about "atheist normalcy" or any sort of "humanism" or "secular ethics." I don't care about liberal politics. I care about truth and reason. It just happens to be true that there are no gods.
Matt, I don't know why you've convinced yourself that you're not "qualified" to run for office, but frankly you are over-qualified. Your dedication to truth and logic, your ability to debate others in good faith with honesty and sincerity, your ability to effectively communicate your ideas and your ability to perform rigorous and thoughtful research makes you over-qualified to run for any office you want. That fact that you're also a progressive person is just a bonus for me.
I get you probably don't have any desire to be an elected official, and you are correct that your history of advocating for atheism and combating theistic nonsense would severely harm your chances of winning in the USA.
But I just take issue with you thinking you're not qualified. You have everything it takes to be a great advocate and political leader. Being an elected official isn't about knowing everything about policy or law making, that's why you have a team of people who work for you. Nobody knows everything. What matters is that you research issues, listen to your constituents and critically think with your team to come up with solutions. The rest comes from experience.
If you're not qualified to run for office, literally nobody is.
@Brandon Letzco Joe Biden doesn't have dementia lol. But yes, there are certainly people who make it to public office and hold it for years who are less qualified than Matt.
@Brandon Letzco Come on now. He's old and he always had a stutter. He doesn't have dementia. Right wing chuds always roll the dementia card out and then he gives speeches and does the job every day and there seems to be no sign on mental illness.
If I made a compilation super cut of every time you misspoke or stuttered people would think you have down syndrome. People clip chimping verbal gaffs of people isn't any way to medically diagnose mental illness.
Any promoter of the Universe out of nothing, without a cause and by itself is a dishonest person and a deceiver, whoe to those who elect such people to lead them, they get led on the wide path of perdition.
@Brandon Letzco In the CMB is found an infrared visible structure of the form of a cross, now guess how the secular scientists named it, "the axis of evil", for it proves the Earth to be in the center of the Universe which is evidence for creation and confirming the Bible, for what are the chances for the Earth to find itself by hazzard middle such enormous Universe..? Kind of like 0,0000000000000000000000000001% perhaps..? Alone this piece of evidence proves creation beyond any reasonable doubt.
This is another piece of evidence for the special position and wonderful creation by God our Creator and another confirmation of the Bible where it reveals that the earth was created before the other celestial bodies in the Universe.
But instead acknowledging it to simbolize the Cross of Christ, they name it the axis of evil, for those sold to the devil the white is black while the black is white...
Here the quote of a famous scoffer and secular scientist, none other than Lawrence Krauss after he wrote a book, "A Universe out of nothing" which book found that many poor deluded souls to buy it, that it climbed into the top charts of bestsellers for a while, quote: -"Lawrence Krauss is quoted as follows in a 2006 Edge .org article:[5]
But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That's crazy. We're looking out at the whole universe. There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun - the plane of the earth around the sun - the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe."-end quote.
The title to google for: axis of evil cosmology
And again a Yt search: "Dr. Robert Sungenis: Axis of evil"
First satellite to survey the CMB sent was COBE in 1990, it discovered the structure in the CMB which reveals the Earth middle of the Universe. Pretending to be a error, they sent another satellite Duby a map, The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe in 2001, the results the same, Earth in the center, what they tried to do they said that would've been some kind of error, for the second time ! So they sent another satellite, Planck Spacecraft in 2009 which ended its survey in 2013, with same exact results, the Earth is the center of the Universe !
Then other 2 documentaries on YT:
1.(Undebunkable) Cosmic Microwave Background Proves Intelligent Design- but by whom?
2. You are the center of the Universe, and here is why | The Science of Elite #6
There are also a multitude of other articles on that.
Furthermore in the following article are written down another 12 scientific facts written of in the Bible and acknowledged to be true only in the last decades with the newest scientific technology, so give a Gg search for:
Science and the Bible - NASA agrees with the Bible | Facts ...
The Holy Light which is given from above only to the orthodox patriarch since centuries in Jerusalem at the celebration of Christ's resurrection out of the tomb Christ layed for 3 days in, it is a light/fire which doesn't burn anything and isn't hot for about 20 minutes, it is only about 42C° lukewarm measured and analysed by a scientist, so in the time span of about 20 min the people put the flames of 33 candles, huge flames in their beards, hair, faces, eyelids and eye brows, without becoming living torches but not even their facial/hair burn, whereas such cold fire can't be provided by human beings, nor by natural processes, hence that is the evidence of a genuine God's wonder, there from the light is spread and given into the whole orthodox christian world, the YT titles to search for:
A. "Holy Light (Holy Fire) in Jerusalem: Proofs & Testimonies"
B. "For the Faithless - The Proof of the Holy Fire of Jerusalem"
C. "The Holy Fire in Scripture, History, and Science".
God of the Bible and His creation of the Universe are proven true.
@Brandon Letzco I didn't even had to post other evidence than the empirical observed fact that everything has a source and a cause.
Therefore as long you don't present the evidence for a case of something coming out of nothing and without a cause, creation is proven true.
Secondly if you'd carefully read the evidence in the CMB of the Earth being center of the Universe and/or you'd be honest, you would acknowledge it true. And if you would care to read the quote of that prominent scientist and anti own Creator you would notice that even he himshelf acknowledged the Earth middle of the Universe and even explained what is observed and how it reveals that fact.
Furthermore the fact that you ignored the other pieces of evidence reveals you dishonest indeed.
God of the Bible and creation are proven true by multiple pieces of evidence which you didn't addressed with scientific scrutiny, neither have you presented any evidence for something out of nothing and without a cause, so i don't even need to post additional evidence, you're chackmated already.
You are a great commentator on religion and atheism but off on politics. When does life begin Matt? I am not a republican or Democrat, but have some conservative views. I support the gay community, I’m against abortion, I do not believe in privilege based on sex and race.
You would give more rights to a fetus than to a living, breathing person. Pregnancy is hard on the body, can cause permanent damage, and even death. After a baby is born, neither parent can be forced to provide life saving blood or organs, but some people think that using a person's entire body against their will is perfectly alright. I don't get it.
@@YY4Me133 If you're telling me right now that Fetuses aren't living.....you're just as stupid as a religious person, eating up propaganda without even thinking.
You are qualified because you think you’re not
Because it means you’ll listen to those who specialise in things
I watched a lot of Atheist Experience back in the day. In the last few years it has appeared to me that certain (especially US based) atheist groups have, for the lack of a better word, filled their religious 'void' with ideology from the political left. The current comment section comes across to me as rather one-dimensional.
To me, atheism is a lack of belief in a higher power. Adding beliefs and world views into this lack of belief makes it something different.
Everyone believes in certain things, or let’s say: holds on to certain values. If many atheists are humanists (because that’s way more wholesome than simply being a nihilist) and many humanist values lead to leftism, that’s not the atheists’ fault. Who are you to claim they’re simply “filling a void” or to tell them to refrain from certain topics because those aren’t 100% religion-related?
You are exactly correct. It's strange how "we just lack a belief, that's it!" quickly becomes "bake the gay cake, bigot!" --- like any small and malicious group, they feign weakness and oppression, then, once they gain any foothold, they begin to oppress others. Hmmm
I don't see why it's unreasonable for some people to find purpose in resisting the infinite aggression of the political right. One thing religion tries to do is provide purpose to people so... you may be a little bit right about some people. Sort of.
@@MensHominis i guess it depends in your definition of leftism and rightism. In my world, leftism is more about collectivism, mostly by collective help of the downtrodden, rightism is about individual responsibility, based on providing the incentives so people are encouraged to do the right thing.
I think you can arrive at either from humanism, based on which you consider more effective in helping humans. And that is going to be independent of your humanism and atheism.
@@realGBx64 - not if we can observe and _acknowledge_ (denialism is a thing) systemic problems that couldn’t ever be solved through personal responsibility. So because humanism (at least how I grasp it) is kind of comparable to what Matt says about collective well-being as a base ideal for a quasi-objective moral system, this in my eyes seems to inhibit ideologies in which the ego is put above everything else.
Plus, many, many conservative and right-wing talking points by far exceed mere individualist extremism: if you look around right-wing spheres (including the ones most vocal about freedom of speech like the Elon Musk sycophants), you’ll witness attempts at cutting away at other people’s freedoms on every last corner.
Thanks 😊
I wish you talked more about scientific socialism! Atheism and socialism have always been philosophically aligned.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out- Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out- Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out- Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
Humanism was a powerful tool at one point, but imperialism can only provide for its country for so long until the capitalist system must be evolved.
You’re right! The “scientific” communist governments of the 20th century were atheists! And butchered millions! Thanks science!!!
hey comrade!
I don't think non religious people are granted the same rights as religious people at all. Religiously held beliefs get special treatment under the law like not having to provide certain health benefits to employees, openly discriminating against people they disapprove of, & not fulfilling all the duties required by their job description. My moral objections & personal convictions don't allow me to not have to obey the law or not do my job without consequences. My non religious beliefs aren't held sacrosanct & upheld by the courts. There is definitely religious privilege in our society & what they(Christians mostly) feel as infringement of their rights is just push back against losing that privilege. That is a big part of the fight but we can't expect society to change without attitudes about religion changing too. Gotta work on both.
How about fighting against the USSC decision about overturning Roe v. Wade?
Marjorie Greene is in congress matt, I would comparatively you are qualified, ask Andrew
Perhaps I should be more charitable, but as far as I can tell, anyone who makes the "atheists shouldn't talk about non-atheism things" is just a conservative whining about getting some pushback. I have no sympathy anymore.
For me it's simple.
Women's rights is an atheist issue because there are religious people trying to force their religious views about women onto people.
LGBT rights is an atheist issue because there are religious people trying to force their religious views about LGBT onto people.
Racial minority rights is an atheist issue because there are religious people trying to force their religious views about race onto people.
And so on.
Any and every time people try to force their religious views onto others it's an atheist issue.
women's rights is a separate issue from atheism. Linking them is conceptually unwarranted and practically counter-productive.
@@scambammer6102 OP clearly stated why women’s rights are an atheist issue. Because opposition is primarily religious. How can you read the post and not understand it?
@@cratonorogen9208 I don't know if you can say it's primarily religious. There are also a lot of people who have reasonable and well articulated views that have nothing to do with religion related to the timing of when abortions should be allowed, under what circumstances they should be allowed, and whether the state should fund them. I've met a lot of pro choice people who still don't think there should be abortions after a certain point unless there is a medical reason. There are also plenty of religious people who are pro choice. Being an atheist literally says nothing about a persons politics.
I love all the work you've done talking about atheism and helping to normalize it. I couldn't disagree more on the taking up of other causes. LGBT and abortion causes are not linked to the issues of being an atheist. They are similar in some ways but not related. There are plenty of religious gay people. I'm an atheist and I don't agree with a lot of the reforms that are currently happening with respect to public policy and all the far left identity politics. I wouldn't say I'm pro choice or pro life either. So if I'm giving money, volunteering, or support activists I want my efforts to be going toward the things I care about. I think what you are talking about is a totally political move which is the quick and easy way but also the sleazy and somewhat dishonest way.
Theism is not 1 belief, but multiple beliefs. Atheism tends to speak about these multiple beliefs of theism. It makes sense right?
I think a good question would be, what would older Matt Dillahunty say to his younger religious self?
Just astounds me that anyone thinks that using violence could be acceptable from any religions perspective. If they actually believe in Christianity then they need to be turning the other cheek and forgiving everyone who sins against them. The hypocrisy of people committing heinous acts in the name of religion is just amazing.
Unfortunately, it's clear that you don't know the Bible and the violence it sanctions.
It's not hypocritical of them... it's hypocritical of YOU to pretend that "turn the other cheek" is the only message.
@@SansDeity While I certainly do not claim to have as much knowledge of the Bible as you Matt I would not be someone that anyone could call ignorant of the Bible. I have read it in full multiple times and discussed it literally thousands of times online an IRL with Christians and Atheists. For the last 30 years.
So no your statement is incorrect.
But what the Bible says is not really relevant to my point. Because Christianity does not follow what the Bible says anyway. Most modern Christians completely ignore the bulk of the Old testament where most of the violence is and claim that the New Testament is the only actual word of a God. And the New Testament implies that people should be friendly and forgiving to their enemies. So my point is that even the people who believe this still resort to violence and aggression and are hypocrites.
@@VestigialHead The wesboro baptist church follows the Bible perfectly. Are THEY the real Christains?
@@kimsland999 Not if you take the word of the majority of Christians into account. They all consider the Westboro Baptists to be extremist nutters. And not even they follow the Bible perfectly. Plenty of things in the Bible they ignore because it suits them. Here are some of the things the Old testament says Christians should do:
1. dash out the brains of babes of neighboring tribes.
2. do not use antibiotics.
3. force women to marry their rapists.
4. keep slaves.
5. kill anyone who eats leftovers on the third day.
6. kill adulterous women.
So I am talking about Moderate Christians not fundamentalists.
@@SansDeity Why do you lie Matt?
The other message is repent and turn or you will, without question face God's wrath! It doesn't matter whether you are "unconvinced" of his existence or however you like to word it; facing Him is as inevitable as death!.
Stop manipulating His message! Don't you you that you will reap what you sow? Repent while God's Mercy is on offer!
Do you forget that your life belongs to Him?
Good question.
In predicting the physical future good experimental science really ought to prevail. So those religions which make a claim about physics which simply cannot be true should be argued against. Faith is not a good strategy to arrive at physics truths.
On the other hand, fables, although not physically possible may well embody a human truth.
A common practice (clubs, games, neighbors and religions) can make individuals into a tribe. Tribes can have influence in human affairs exceeding individuals. It is difficult to get upset at the Amish. Low crime rate. They pay taxes but don't generally take advantage of government services funded with those taxes.
Extremist Jain's don't harm a fly.
I would think that social issues which are driven by reference to Leviticus should be addressed by us atheists. Atheists are not all of the same mind on social issues with no religious overtones, though.
Hitchens once fielded an audience question to another panel member : "Where does Evil come from?" "Religion!" interrupted Hitch. We could be well justified in being anti-theist thus anti-Evil fighters.
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Both your recent videos had audio so low they were impossible to hear. This one and "I don't have enough faith..."
I know. I had to turn the audio on my computer up to 100.
If religious belief is at the core of the injustice then that is what should be adressed.
Don’t muddle your “-isms”.
It isn't.
You shouldn't have written core! If you merely said religion causes some issues why not address those issues? Then you wouldn't have sounded silly! Now you've poisoned the well.
Your point on being relatively safe in the US is true, but you didn't mention that US legislators can and have supported regimes that persecute or kill atheists or other religious minorities. It's another reason I think atheist "advocacy" should exist.
Another point on abortion- I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the secular arguments from the pro-life movement. We're a small subset, but atheist pro-lifers do exist.
Not aware of any good secular arguments against a right to choose.
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I admit that I may be biased as a former Christian, but I've remained convinced that a woman's right to choose does not outweigh the bodily autonomy of her child, especially because sex is not necessary for survival, just as eating meat is not necessary for survival. Eating meat comes at an ethical cost just as ending the life of a human for convenience comes at an ethical cost. Legally, our courts have come to a decision that at a certain point (viability outside the womb), abortion should not be permitted. I'm not sure if you would agree this point (which is not a set time, but changes case by case) exists, but it seems to be widely agreed upon if not. It is undeniable that the fetus carries human DNA unique compared to its parents, and the fetus itself is a living entity. I think the argument really comes to the level of personhood required to instill rights on a human being- fetus or a vegetative adult or mentally impaired child, for example. I err on the side of biology, which I believe is core to understanding ethics. A human is a human and it is a biological understanding that humans have certain rights.
For me, though an act may create more utility as a result, if the action itself comes at a great ethical cost, it should not be put into law. This is why I believe forced sterilization should not be legal, for example.
@@Spartanhoplite542 fetus has no "bodily autonomy" independent of the mother. AND it's none of your business what other people do with their bodies.
@@scambammer6102it's not the women's body though, is it? Who's body is being torn up limb by limb? Certainly not the mother. ....
@@SansDeity I'm not aware of a good argument for murdering a baby!
Imagine Global Atheist Foundation building free hospitals and leading Climate change institutes to combat global warming.. Now, who has the moral high-ground :D
The problem with a one world government is the bigger the government the bigger the corruption. Government should be limited in scope not huge and trying to regulate everyones lives. To have security you sacrifice freedom. To have freedom you sacrifice security.
My general view is to push atheism and don't try to simultaneously change auxiliary views, as it can create conflicts. Like I can easily do the slavery argument and befuddle a religious person, but if I say god is anti-trans, unlike slavery they'll be like "well duh, and so am I." The auxiliaries should come in post-deconversion
I somewhat agree with this.
If you remove the unwarranted God belief, then the other beliefs will fall down like a deck of cards.
But if you argue specific subjects then it would take years!
I also notice that even specific subjects seem to circle back to: I have faith in a God, or The Bible tells me so.
Therefore there isn't any specific subject, it's all about their God belief.
If the Atheist Community can't take on the hard tasks... like Equally.
Then the Religious Community will come after Atheists later...
there is no reason to tie equality to atheism they are 2 different things
@@scambammer6102 of course, there is no reason to tie Athiest with Equality... but Atheist is just a Lack of Belief....
there's no reason to tie Government to Equality either... but gee whiz Ollie... Governments everywhere get involved in Equality... maybe an Active Atheist Community NEEDS to get involved... because many countries marginalis Atheist Communities, like the USA.
today Justice Alito's draft opinion ending roe v wade was leaked.
Yes and?
Matt: I'm not qualified to run for public office.
Trump: I'm a stable genius! *runs for presidency brrrrr*
I remember a quote about wise men being less confident...
So a sailor STEALS a personal letter and the person who had their letter STOLEN, was the one who got punished? Omfg.
After elevator gate when atheism+ began, I lost complete interest in the movement. I know many of us parted ways. It was sad, but I was really in it for the atheism, and I thought that was good enough. After that the movement splintered, it was a very sad time for me, and I know many others felt like I did. The only bond I wanted with people was the fact we were all atheists or wanting to learn about it. It was enough. I didn't care about people's sex preferences or abortion stance or political affiliation or any of the social causes. I didn't feel I needed to fight for such things just because I was atheist and part of an atheist group. It brought in too much messiness and just pushed atheism to the side like it was an afterthought. People have many different feelings on all the social issues, so it never made sense to take a group in which we were all harmonizing in and start throwing in complexities. It got bogged down. It caused disagreements. Fights, even. I really miss those old times before it all changed. I made great friends, shared so much, found a lot of happiness, even made it to the Bat Cruise. I've been very sad ever since the day I had to leave it all behind for my own peace of mind. Being a social justice warrior, which is what the + caused people to do, was too chaotic for me. I'm still sad about having to depart something I found so much joy and connection in and think it about it every now and again.
agreed. good summary
Fighting for women's rights and the rights of the LGBTQ community is awesome! I'm all for it! [Actually, Jesus would be too.]
I'm OK with the ACA serving atheists of all kinds; I just get kind of weirded out by the media: for example: Star Trek Discovy has about a 5 or 6 out of 10 characters - of "other" genders (read LGBTQ+) - and female on male rape. That just does not comport with reality...nevermind the teleportation. I'm not really drawn into the story, because it does not relate to me. Atheism doesn't have that much to do with sex. But idiots are trying to "Make it so."
So you are more bothered by the 'genders' than the teleportation, time travel, alien species etc? That doesn't sound logical to me. It's fiction, if you want something that comports to reality, watch a documentary? But even documentaries are staged. Why are we assuming that Star Trek or any other fiction is based on our specific reality? Maybe, in that universe, there are more lgbtq people. You also failed to consider that Star Trek plays out in the future. Why shouldn't we assume that the future will be different? And it includes all kinds of non human species. Why should they work the same way humans do? We don't even have accurate numbers on how many lgbtq people exist here snd now or how many women r.pe men to begin with. And just because they have 5-6 lgbtq characters, doesn't mean that they don't have hundreds of straight characters. They just decided not to focus on them.
@@AngelDeed Yeah. I personally find it easier to fantasize about teleporting in my prefered gender role. I know that's a huge stretch. : /