"Is Religion Inevitable?" - Richard Dawkins Reveals All
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- Is white privilege the modern day Original Sin? How is mass denial about the truth of gender, any different from Catholic transubstantiation? Is woke culture today's dogmatic religious mob?
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Dr Richard Dawkins, I have become an atheist and learned to look at evidence when forming my beliefs and opinions because of you . And suddenly the world started making so much more sense . I am sure there are many more like me who you helped. Your life's work is certainly not a waste . Thank you so much for speaking
Yes, me too but I did that at age 15 when the preacher's sermon rattled my brain enough for me to reject the notion of religion ! Slava Dawkins, Slava Ukraini !
@@linmal2242 Heroyam Slava
It sounds like you rejected all the evidence.
It sounds like you have an opinion.
@@andyh5300 and your point is ?
Inspiring. @ 82 years old and Mr Dawkins is starting a TH-cam channel and a substack.
I love 💜 him.
Wow. He’s looks great for 82. Hopefully we have him around for a while.
@darkreverie7027 indeed I hope i look like him @ his age and still doing TH-cam
@@darkreverie7027 I hope so, too. God bless.
Great to have such brains and at 80 still has his good looks and mellow speaking voice.
I am delighted to discover that I'm not the only scientifically-oriented person who thinks the woke view on gender and sexuality is nuts.
Being 'woke' originally was about being aware of racism is all its forms, not just the more obvious KKK style. It has since expanded to being aware of discrimination in many forms.
Sexuality is one that I do not see as problematic to be 'woke' about - people are literally attracted to people of the same sex, there isn't really any doubt about that from reasonable people.
Trans ideology, on the other hand, is essentially a neo-religion wanting to be forced upon people, whether they believe it or not - with really dangerous laws being passed to accomodate this, including indoctrinating children. The 'woke' argument being made here has taken a wrong turn - it shouldn't even be thought of as woke to promote the desires of a religion in the first place.
The problem isn't 'woke', the problem is the trojan horse that has passed through the gates.
You are not alone!
@@RJWhitmore brilliant take!
youre certainly not alone..most people have of common sense and don't buy into that nonsense
i think it is just, a fad. get used to it. imagine the variety as biological and genetic engineering progress at a speed we are just not ready for. we are going to become human machine bio hybrids in our lifetime. sooner than we thought for sure. they can make lab mice have purple hair or glow on the dark. Brace yourself for body modification gone wild!
I used to be a Jehovah's witness. I left in 2014 and since then I have read almost all of Dawkins books. They are my golden collection.
I outgrew God and got rid of the God Delusion.
Im glad you got out of that cult, but sorry to say that you never had God
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1 John 5:11-12 KJV
I can understand your pain of growing up in restrictive religious environment.. it really kills the desire to really know God, but he is still there for you just ask in the name of Jesus Christ and you will receive.
Well done to you 👍
@@Oozy9Millimeetah bollocks
"Madness is rare in individuals - but in groups, parties, nations, and ages it is the rule." -Friedrich Nietzsche
Although I have many differences with much of what he says, try reading "The madness of Crowds" by Douglas Murray
Explains AA NA CA SA MA. All those 12 step religious programs that is the new religion across the world. But its members become more and more deluded as time passes.
@@Csio12 please help me, what are AA NA CA SA MA?
Professor Dawkins, what a privilege to have met you. Not only have you taught me so much, but I also experience profound serenity and contentment when I watch you and listen to you.
I'll be forever grateful.
Darwinian Evolutionary Religion does not belong in the science classroom as it is a contested ideology, it is far from being a fact of science. We should stand up against things we consider to be harmful and troublesome to the health of a nation. Darwinian religion taught as a fact to students is a back door to promoting alsorts of immoral behaviour! It encourages perverse sexual orientations which have always been around throughout the centuries. It sears the consciences of many concerning right and wrong. It promote theft, gambling, adultery, lying, violence and murder etc. If there is no God to answer too for our words and actions, why bother to behave! Sin takes peace away from the earth and replaces it with anarchy, chaos and confusion. When sin gets out of control then curfews will be imposed upon the populace. The nations of the world have rejected the loving words of Jesus to their own detriment. Jesus said love God with all of your heart, [and God is a spirit which you cannot see, but you can get to a place where you feel his power and presence in the temple of your body] and love your neighbour as your self. What is there not to understand? And what is there not to love about Jesus? All the denominations we have today are not the Lord's will, they bring confusion to those who are seeking to know Jesus and understand his teachings. Every idle word spoken by preachers that does not line up with the teachings of Jesus shall be condemned on the day of judgment. Just as many of the Pharisees and Sadducees shall be condemned as they would not adhere to the loving commandments of Jesus. Many refused to repent after the death are resurrection of Jesus. An angel descended from heaven whose countenance was like lightening and for fear of him the Roman soldiers fled the scene and some of them reported back and told the Sanhedrin what had really happened. They gave them large summons of money to the soldiers in order for them to tell a lie, saying his disciples came by night and stole his body away. They said to the soldiers, if what really happened comes to Pilates ears, we will persuade him and secure you. Suppression of the truth still goes on today regarding the insurmountable evidence against evolution. At all costs, they must suppress, ignore and disregard all evidences against evolution, they must protect the sacred cow of their religion. Jesus predicted all this during his ministry right up to the end of this present age.
So glad that you have found contentment and serenity - those are gifts from God which is ironic that you attribute them to RD. Keep searching - eventually RD too will disappoint you. Our hearts are restless until they find God (St Augustine) - the only one who does not disappoint. Peace to you. :-)
He is also a very fast runner. Look at how fast he ran from William Lane Craig.
I have been pondering this for a couple of years now. That the rise of atheism did not give rise to an age of reason made me realize that the problem is not theism per se, but is the disregard for evidence, reason, logic and skepticism. I'm not sure how we get past emotion and social pressures being the main driving forces in society. Teaching formal logic in schools might at least a tiny first step.
Pascal sympathizes with the passionate agnostic who struggles daily with the ultimate question of whether God exists.
But the sad fact is that most “nones” and agnostics are not passionate truth-seekers. In the end, far too many think, “Who cares? What does it really matter?
How is this relevant to me? Religion is boring.” .
Intellectual uncertainty is understandable. Indifference to the question of God is insanity.
Formal Logic won't help this agenda. I have a degree in mathematics and it has not changed my faith. Didn't change the faith of Riemann or Euler either. Emotion and social pressures will always be the main driving forces in society. Even Genetically Modified Skeptic's channel is slowly gravitating from atheism to satanism. Am I surprised? No.
David Hume said you can't get an ought from an is. That's why logic and reason and science don't help. They only deal with what exists now. Not with what things ought to be.
I'm not sure if your basic premise is correct. Has there been a rise in atheism? In the UK religion seems alive and well, especially amongst immigrant communities and their UK born children. 300K - 500K immigrants coming into the country annually bringing their religions with them. Maybe it's different in your country.
@@michaelb2388 Your anecdote notwithstanding, a Google search for religious affiliation over the past 100 years would seem to paint a different picture.
What a brilliant conversation. It gives me hope that reason is out there. Thank you Richard
Very funny
@@zapkvr Very funny comment !
We had 'the age of reason' woke is the epitome of unreason. Lets hope it is not the undoing of us all.
People die with the illusion of reason, Or people die with God's love. Well perhaps the remembrance of how clever or great some people were in the short life will live on forever dont you think?
@@NSOcarth I apologize that i did not understand the meaning.
Dogma and identity politics always bring forth monsters.
"The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters":
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sleep_of_Reason_Produces_Monsters
The Flying Spaghetti Monster being an outlier.
@@SteersmanOaring This is part of the reason why. But even rational dogma is dangerous.
One may also reason themselves into identity politics.
Although perhaps it's ironic, I would say I'm dogmatic about the absolute avoidance of dogma.
@@foreignwindow I wouldn't classify the FSM as a dogma inducing entity.
Gullibility expands to fill the vacuum - perfect quote from Richard.
Richard continues to be so clear and thoughtful.
At 82 or is that ageist?
and PATIENT! omg
@@eutectoid1 he is not ageist . He defended these wrong ideas when he was young too.
I don’t think he being very astute on this argument. Example BLM has been one of the biggest “woke” but if you look up the demographics of BLM supporters, activists and members they are just about what you would expect in so far as the general population. The people in BLM are already religious. To me that goes against the claim that irreligosity is to blame for new ideas with similar frame works. Maybe it religions indoctrination of children that open up the pathways in the brain to allow bad ideas to flourish.
I’d love that instead of just claiming “wokism” as being wrong theee people who put more research into it. They’d soon realise they might be wrong.
With the example they use about men being able to give birth or have periods (can’t remember the exactness of the claim) I think what has happened is that people are rejecting the physical body as the determining factor of who we are so when they say men can give birth they don’t mean a guy born with a penis and balls can give birth they mean that a person who is a man in their nature and psychology but who is in a woman’s body, can give birth. The anti-trans brigade it’s seems have flipped the claim so they can attack it easier, or perhaps they’ve just misunderstood.
@@Theactivepsychos “…a person who is man in their nature and psychology but who is in a woman’s body, can give birth “: this would imply to me simply that this woman is attracted to women ( men generally are!). Nothing wrong with being lesbian, butch or otherwise, is there?
Dawkins is wonderful, thankfully I got pulled out of religious thinking by his work, and important thing is to become rational and apply it across the board...
Well, rationality is important to SOME, but it's not like it's required by nature or anything. Nature doesn't care whether we pursue truth or not. It doesn't even care if we continue to evolve and survive.
Wizards first rule - People believe something for either of two reasons:
1 - They fear it is true.
2 - They desire it to be true.
In the case of Christianity it is both.
My theory is that those who were raised in religion - mostly fear it is true. Reverts raised in atheism convert and desire it is true. And there is a third group of those for whom religion is a tradition run in the family. And they fear to say they do not believe and just pretend and take part in the show.
the main reason people believe something is cause it makes them feel good. Not to have control of sth generates a lot of anxiety. Irreversible facts are our worst nightmare. Believing in an all powerful-God and believing you can make a connection with God enables one to have access to an entity that has absolute control over everything. This is perfect to reduce anxiety and fear, cause it puts you in control of everything.
You're right, Christianity is true.
Its his ability to communicate an idea so clearly, so logically and whilst remaining so calm that impresses me
He’s not tackled anything about trans at all, all he’s done is attack the Fox News version of trans. It’s analogous to someone attacking evolution because a rock can’t turn into a dog
Yes civility and calm work conversation for those who are sycophants for the system and benefit most, from the capitalist system, not the unhinged righteous rage of the truly marginalized, misrepresented, misunderstood and oppressed .
@@sophiepooks2174 have you joined the wrong thread by accident?
@@Mark13091961😂😂😂
she definitely fell into the "racist/transphobic old white men who think they're intellectuals and can therefore define the reality of marginalized groups" part of youtube@@Mark13091961
This was a fascinating conversation and the parallel between transubstantiation and the gender ideology argument is very compelling.
You are perhaps one of the most thoughtful and articulate human beings to have ever lived.
It'll be a sad day for humanity when you leave us, please hang on as long as possible!
It’s a shame a philosopher needed reexplaining that and doesn’t understand basic other things.
It is very refreshing to see an intelligent individual like Dawkins see the religious similarities in Trans ideology and many other religions in the world.
I would say I do not have a problem with anyone following illogical delusions as long as they do not hurt others, however, when they interact with children or voting systems it is very difficult to see how religious followers could *not* hurt others with their delusions.
The Trans ideology is merely the latest in a long line of such, unfortunately this one seems to have trojan horsed into the mainstream as something other than what it is. Until the horse is shown to be hollow the ones shouting from the roof tops of the dangers are unfortunately being vilified.
@@RJWhitmore Well said!
DAWKINS HA SIDO TOTALMENTE REFUTADO
th-cam.com/video/fjDZd_CgSSk/w-d-xo.html
I am an atheist. Women should not give up their rights to men who are deluded into thinking they are not in the right body. It is women's language that is under attack and it is women's rights also undermined, not men's in trans ideology. Women should not give way because a man is deluded. Biological facts should matter more than hurt feelings. Trans ideology is the new religion. Language, meaning and definitions matter. It is for this reason I do not go down the pronoun falacy depended on feelings.
Agreed. I don't use the pronoun stuff. Let's just call everyone human being.
The bitter irony is that it is women who are leading the attack on women's language and women's rights. The majority of people supporting and pushing gender woo are young women, sadly. The boom in gender clinics is driven by young women showing up because they want to become men.
@@beverly9 I highly doubt he believes you can "earn" the ability to change sex.
I'm not sure what he said, that you're referring to, but you seem to imply, that maybe he thinks that "10 year effort" is evidence the man is SINCERE in "wanting to be a woman" (whatever that means)? And that he thinks that SINCERITY deserves a degree of respect?
Personally, I'm pretty hardline on the "gender" stuff- I will ONLY use sex-correct pronouns, and to me "woman" and "man" are strictly defined by sex- Zero exceptions.
...but there WAS a time, when I still swallowed the "whats the harm?" narrative, and used wrong-sex pronouns for people who self-ID as trans, "to be polite"... Me being 'peaked' was a gradual process, that took time- And I think that's the case for most people, who start from a position of seeing transgenderism as part of the "LGBT", who they're used to supporting.
Give him time, maybe 6 months or a year (or maybe significantly less), and I'll bet money he'll end up with the same universal rejection of the ENTIRE ideology.
But he's only just recently STARTED talking about this topic, in any depth- I don't think it's surprising he's probably going through the same GRADUAL process of being 'peaked', as most critics of "gender" ideology do... But the fact that he's BEING critical of it, AT ALL makes me think that TOTAL rejection of the WHILE ideology will come sooner, rather than later.
The last thing we need, as critics of "gender" nonsense, is to have the same zero-tolerance for ANY diversity of opinion, or for changing beliefs, that the PRO-"gender" ideologues enforce so zealously...
Proof that some atheists are not immune to stylized complex propaganda. Do you realize how much money has been spent on anti-trans think tanks over the past decade by groups on the far right and how so many on the left also have the wrong takes on trans matters? Meanwhile many trans youth and adults in the USA and other countriesare begging politicians not to take away their healthcare and right to exist in public, sounds "all powerful" right?
Do you realize biology is an extremely complex subject way to complicated for the average layperson who attended high school 101 to comprehend, oversimplification of biology only serves to maintain patriarchal authoritarian control of the masses by enforcing by law the idea of the gender binary for all based on sex observed at birth.
Do you even understand why supporting the authoritarian fascist regime in Russia declaring lgbt folk "enemies of the state" and "a danger to women and children" is being on the wrong side of history? Just because of what you believed to be a democratic nation in the past?
If being trans is "a religion" rather than a medical condition that has been used by bad faith wealthy opportunists as a wedge issue to in turn attack the queer community and pass draconian laws to eradicate a micro minorities freedom of expression and right to exist in public, as a Trojan horse to normalize/soft sell fascist ideology to eventually attack all lgbq rights. then women's rights to bodily autonomy after that.
FYI; Pronouns have always been in the dictionary and used daily whether you realize it or it hurts your feelings to show common decency to others.
@@baconsarny-geddon8298they will try to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and that will be us gays who have been around forever. I think there is some chance the ideology was reinforced as a means of controlled opposition to try to associate gays, lesbians and bisexuals and disenfranchise them and associate them with absurdity.
The scientific method should be taught in high schools across the world, then this problem is solved in a generation. Most people do not have the critical thinking skills to deal with complex issues.
As an old biddy who tries to view things rationally and settle on the best course of action, I have an observation. I understand that critical thinking is a process but the people I have met, or read, who claim to use critical thinking have put me right off looking it up
EDIT I suppose if I am smart it could improve me, I just do not want to be one of those who think it is their third eye.... old biddy here, ignore me
@@josmith9662 They most likely did not posses good critical thinking skills in that case! However Richard Dawkins, Neil Degrasse Tyson and Carl Sagan have good videos on critical thinking.
@@EmberrebmeNeil has lost his mind.
@@Emberrebme Just a bug bear of mine, any username with critical thinker, truth seeker or similar, usually means unbalanced obssesive..... I might have an explicit read but I am resisting as I am with the new fangdangled pay to win game console generation. Now please respect my wishes and ignore me
Hi, I disagree. Science can be used to build atomic bombs or toasters. Reason is a means to achieve your ends, not choose them.
Happy to hear he is writing another book, looking forward to it!
Thank you Richard for being such an amazing scientist and overall a rational and compassionate human being.
Such a shame the atheist experience is labelling him as a bigot
@@jackabbott1754 What is "the atheist experience?"He is a bigot on some issues he presumes to be be an expert on, as he is intellectually lazy/ grossly ignorant about them, he has not done sufficient research on those "issues" to assume to be an authority on them but only for the sake of popularity, or personal prejudice does he press on with his opinions on such.
@@jackabbott1754English is tough.
You really are returning to the public eye at the time people need some common sense the most. I sincerely hope young men and women listen to you the same way I did twenty years ago and realize how insane things currently are.
Wow an anime avatar that isn’t a T* identified person!
I really wish Hitchens was here, too. He’d would have called out this nonsense
@@Ithaca-vv5dy Vale C H !
@@NSOcarth Have dowsing, astrology, palm reading, phrenology, astral traveling resulted in laws being changed to force women to accept men in our pri /sons?
Also why are you assuming OP endorses any of those things?
@@NSOcarth Why did you assume OP was "silent on" the things you listed?
I'm so happy to hear this conversation. I'm a grad student in philosophy of physics and I've been going crazy having to witness the takeover of both science and philosophy.
The question of transubstantiation in Catholicism and its analogy with transgenderism is wonderful. For comparison, Nietzsche saw modern socialism as a residue of Christianity. To some extent, it is highly possible that what people call ‘woke’ movement today, is deeply rooted in an original Christian double-pattern: a moralistic totalitarianism and a quest for escaping physical reality. Thanks again for this discussion. There should be more channels like this one.
was it wonderful? or woefully idiotic. People are not wine. People are not blood. Humans are not Things. We are beautiful complex psychological creatures.
@Daodan1618 many, if your legacy of psychological trappings were codified by white western CIS straight MEN. Many pple are BORN outside these psychological trappings
I agree that wokeism is the residue of Christianity. I believe Tom Holland (not the actor) has said that the reason we find certain acts to be deplorable today (such as how Harvey Weinstein treats women) is because we've inherited a Christian morality. It's deeply rooted within our culture.
I was going to say that too, that Nietzsche made this point quite long ago so there's not much novelty in this "Substitution hypothesis"; not to say anything about it being a blatant truism from psychological point of view.
The theory that Woke is Gnostic, and so an inversion of Christianity, is popular at the moment. Clearly it's a Manichean world view, a little Neoplatonist too, and these were all related sects.
It's people like Peter and Richard that are the last defense against madness.
I remember thinking of course everyone will agree trans women can't compete against women 😂
Me too. I thought feminists would surely protect women. How wrong we were
Depends on a number of extremely complex factors, currently this is merely another far right/terf/ GC wedge issue, not actually based in reality but anxiety, fearmongering and conspiracy theories, as I cannot think of any trans women currently doing anything globally, or even locally in female sports, most are blanket banned from competing from age 7 yet a whole generation of trans women who never went through male puberty and were socialized as girls, still; "the science is out".
Conservative societies desperation to not update it's understanding and language, to over simplify/stick to outdated understanding of such complex/nuanced subjects such as sex/ biology/gender only serves to support the current patriarchal system, to maintain the status quo and make it easier to control and oppress the masses via binary enforcement of sex and gender.
@@sophiepooks2174 I am not sure you have the correct information on the current trans athletes who holds world records in the female category. And it is also not a good faith signal to mention far right as soon as new rules in sports are being questioned. The name "mens section" is not technically correct and should in most sports be renamed the open section. Gymnastics might be an exception where male physique is worse in the women's section and vice versa. The open category is open for everyone, so nobody is being excluded. And the female category is there to exclude people because the open category is not fair for half the population. There is paralympics and there are strict rules. You can't just join because one foot is a bit bigger than the other. When rules of categories change drastically, it is not unusual for people to question it and the reasons for them
@@sophiepooks2174 Not that complex. Men and women have different biology. Thinking otherwise is creationism, and denial of evolution.
Weight lifters, chess players, swimmers, cyclists... there's plenty of them. Some are relegated to their correct category now, but not all of them.
And the fact this was a fight at all demonstrates the delusion. You don't get to look around after the war and say "what was the big deal"? Especially with your eyes closed.
What a delightful conversation.
Ahhh... Richard Dawkins... My childhood hero
this should be the kind of discussion that should sit at the core of every contemporary high school education in Australia, the UK, USA, NZ etc, etc ...
Richard Dawkins made me an atheist thank God.
😂 reading bible made me atheist. Dawkins just made me realise i was 100% correct
So you should study more (from another non religious person, agnostic. More precisely).
@@gregczarlinski2811hmmmm...
😂😂😂
Nice to know you are a deep and considered thinker 😅
The problem with science is that the price of admission is too high. You have to be smart and articulate and study for years to join the discussion. In wokeism all that's needed to join the party is lived experience.
This discussion gave me a clearer understanding of crucial contemporary phenomena and of some more general tendencies among humans as well. Thank you!
So happy you are putting as much as you can out there Mr Dawkins, while we still have you here gracing this fine planet! 🙂💫👌
Richard's mention of Chipping Norton, my old home town, brings a smile to my face. His recent ancestors have a mausoleum attached to the outside north wall of the parish church which has been crumbling behind railings for years and needs doing up in a big way. You're not moving in there are you Richard?!!
So thankful to my family for not mucking up my mind with religion and teaching me to demand proof before belief.
Well you mucked up your mind with other thing same shit just different view but you choice what you want I guess
Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss are the only rational ones left from the boom of atheism/agnostic movements of the early 2000s.
It's an honour to know his work. It helped me abandon the nonsense Islam is and opened my eyes and mind to a reality worth understanding. However little it is I understand is still just better and I'm so glad both of em haven't budged into the abyss of infinite lunacy of the left.
Many of their peers have left sanity to appease the madness of the masses. Which bloody surprised me.
Shermer is the best
so heartening. hope the world produces more and more of richards and peters.
you said dicks and peters ha ha
Dr Dawkins I am so pleased to see how well you look! I try to listen to everything you engage. Thank you so much.
I think it's more tribalism than religion. Tribalism is banked into our DNA and you have to fight against those instincts. It's normal and even encouraged in society to be against the other team. It definitely mirrors religion - straight down to dogma and belief without evidence but ultimately, it's just my tribe vs. yours.
Agree, however one side does have decades of peer reviewed studies and scientific evidence of such medical conditions being legit and much proof many of the people they condemn as "mentally ill degenerates" have been part of society for a long time, in 1934 the Nazis destroyed all such studies on trans and gender variance at the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft and this is not the first time authoritarians have outlawed and attempted to erase non heterosexuals and gender varients.
Obviously authoritarians and the conservative patriarchy see the existence of transsexuals as a real threat to their power and control of the masses, or else they would not have been spending as much money as the Vatican has spent trying to prove the existence of Christ and many of the biblical artifacts mentioned in it as legitimate.
We are seeing in states of the USA and many other countries slowly embracing authoritarianism the criminalization of healthcare and very self expression of trans folk, to even mention they exist can get a teacher a heavy jail sentence. What an anxious and strange world we live in.
Religion is just a manifestation of tribalism. Shared ritual creates in-group cohesion. Religions were quite literally just "national religions" until the "universal religions" like Christianity, Islam etc. came about (which also have tribalistic function).
Such an important conversation! Thank you!
Thank you thank you thank you that’s all I can say!! You are both great men who we NEED these days. Thank you!
Muchísimas gracias. Enhorabuena y seguid así, divulgando, debatiendo y cuestionando desde la razón.
You're a good man Richard! Thanks for all the work you've done! I still reckon that one of the most spiritual experiences of my life was reading your "Ancestor's Tale'.
Spiritual?
Yes James. My definition of 'spiritual' is a profound sense of connection - thereby not requiring a deity or religion. Dawkins 'Ancestor's Tale' provided me with that sense of connection through his description of the ancient depth of evolutionary process. @@jameskolar9655
Richard Dawkins
I'm so glad Dr. Richard Dawkins has started TH-cam, and so glad I found this channel. Dr. Dawkins, you're a legend. Hope to see many more videos in the coming weeks, months and years to come.
Agreed 👍 😊
Two videos out very close together makes a nice change and both along the same lines..its good to see this this man step up he has a real vioce and a huge fan base..we need men like this to step up.. people really are fighting back
This goes way beyond another religion imo.
The concerning aspect from my understanding is that woke ideology pressure groups aren't just presenting another idea, but shutting down free speech about objective reality and scientific evidence in schools and institutions.
The substition hypothesis seems pretty valid because of something most people miss about human nature. As a species we are inherently lazy in thought and deed, following the path of least resistance. Demanding evidence and seeking difficult truths requires discipline which goes against our basic nature. If you want people to be more rigorous about truth then we need a culture that embraces discipline and hard work.
So true, Simon! Freud wrote and spoke a century ago about humanity's tendency to abdicate their personal responsibility by letting others (including institutional religions and religious leaders) make their decisions for them. He, too, longed to see our society grow up and take on the arduous task of rationality.
I witness this myself in my own country. In the battle against religious fanaticism, especially during the heated campaign during the previous presidential election, people used another "religion" which is the national ideology. It is proven later that both ideologies are equally harmful and demonizing their opponents. Both are not capable of rational discussion or thought. And actually, this is just another swing of the same pendulum. Several decades ago, my country was highly nationalistic, and it became very religious in let say 20 years. Now the pendulum is swinging to the nationalistic side again.
I don't worry about the substitution hypothesis. The way I see it, people don't have a deep psychological need for religion. They do have a deep need for community, purpose, meaning, mental comfort etc. Religion is only 1 possible means to obtain those ends.
Thank you Richard for everything. I saw your lecture a few weeks ago at Oxford in the Sheldonian and it was education. will you ever have a podcast where we could submit questions to you?
I'm glad the "trans" stuff is being critically discussed by prominent people... But I'd plead with both these men to STOP PRETENDING TO BELIEVE THE LIE, BY USING SEX-INCORRECT PRONOUNS...
Our society got into this mess, in the first place, by prioritizing "being polite", over SIMPLE, EVIDENCE-BASED TRUTH...
Humans are NOT perfectly rational beings, and when you continously use use wrong-sex pronouns (EVEN IF it's just "to be polite", and you're mentally translating "she/her"/"trans women" to "men"), it DOES change how you, and others listening, think about these men, who are invading women's spaces.
What we need now, is to not be rude and abusive, but to be UNAPOLOGETICALLY HONEST, and to strictly adhere to OBJECTIVE, EVIDENCE-BASED TRUTH...
We need to re-establish the the idea that it's NOT "rude or abusive" to acknowledge people's evidence-based sex... But it IS rude, selfish, and entitled, to demand/expect that THE WHOLE WORLD will pretend not to notice your evidence-based sex, and will actively deny your sex, just because YOU want to maintain an objectively false fantasy, 24/7...
We ALL need to ONLY use sex-correct pronouns. To ONLY refer to people (according to biologcal sex) as "men" or "women"... At most, acknowledge that Lia Thomas is "a man who SELF-ID'S as 'a trans woman'..." But don't pretend to believe the fantasy that Thomas TRULY IS "a woman" (with OR without the "trans" prefix, which is a dishonest semantic trick, anyway- Adding a prefix can NEVER transform a lie into "truth"...)
The antidote to this insanity, is simple, evidence-based truth, and plain, honest English- NOT to affirm all the dishonest lingustic trickery this ideology used to make people swallow lies as "truth"..
@baconsarmy-geddon8298 Huh! These two men have been denounced for calling out how ridiculous "trans" is. These two men denounce the idea that somebody can just declare a different gender.
I agree.
I do not believe you HAVE to believe a delusion. It is a little condescending to propose a watered down version of Christianity or Islam for Africa. 😂 ok it was tongue in cheek perhaps.
Gender Studies should be dropped as a course of study at any university.
I marvel at scientific discovery.
Such a huge fan of Richard Dawkins, and I was thoroughly impressed with the conversation that was had with Helen Joyce. Very much looking forward to any and all upcoming conversations!
I wish I could make these podcasts…. The sound is so bad , this is such nourishing content that needs to be digested late night , therefore warm sound is required 🙏
After all these years, witnessing Richard Dawkins speak of science and its feats, with a childlike excitement adorning his face, is a sight truly wondrous to embrace.
I was brought up Catholic, went to Catholic schools, became an atheist through thoughtful discussion with the nuns and other kids in my class. I was 12. This was the era of Hare Krishna, communes, cults, gurus. What I observed was that those brought up with religion tended not to get sucked in by these. Whereas those with no religious tradition at all were more easily duped.
So I think the pathway is
Religion - Reasoned Atheism - No Religion - some immunity to cults
vs
No Religion - vulnerability to cults
I don’t think a return to religion is desirable or even possible. We know to much. But we do need better education for children about cults and ideologies. The pathway for an individual from religion to atheism is normally through self education, discussion, testing of theories. We need to replace that. Not easy given the current heated ideological divides but doable if we take it one step at a time.
The People’s Temple-religious cult.
I wasn’t raised with religion and I haven’t been sucked into any cults. I honestly believe it’s something to do with your brain chemistry.
Everyone anyways has a religion, they just don't always have a name for it.
@@kierasthoughts2480 you and @margaretmm1627 are both right. I wasn't raised with religion, but I got sucked into Catholicism and happily ended up with no religion. The thing is some people are more prone to addictions/ cults than others. I am aware of being in the risk group and thanks to education I know how to avoid being sucked. As an educator, I try to pass my knowledge and experience down to students. I am incredibly grateful to scientists like Richard Dawkins!!!!
Society needs delusion to cope. The important part is not letting that delusion be a vehicle for political tyranny.
Mr. Dawkins, I read your mother's poems. They are delightful, and on her dog. I had a cat for 17.5 years, Smokey, Siamese. And I agree with your mother, Smokey was a person. I really enjoy the subjects you discuss on religion, gender, the poetry of reality, trans and so on.
Great interview! We recently started using Gary's proprietary models and so far, I like the experience. 👍
Great conversation. The way you both approach the thought of the matter was interesting to see.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
Seneca
Oh really? So all the common people all believe trans folk are legit? "The wise" in a capitalist system are; 'the wealthy millionaire /billionaire classes' And the rulers; wanting to eradicate transgender folk.
Toyota said that?
Brilliant conversation !!! Fighting for a better world. Thank you.
I've been saying this exact same thing for years:
wokeism : white privilege :: catholicism : original sin
However, I hadn't considered transgender ideology as analogous to the religious transubstantiation nonsense... very apt indeed!!
This is the most interesting comparison that I’ve heard in a long time
Great show!🎸
Thank you so much for this interview. I love it, it gave a lot of insight.
As long as death remains unknown we will fill the void with “religion” to compensate for it.
I’m a conservative (theologically) Christian. I appreciate Professor Dawkins airing these conversations. The nuttiness of these days is bringing together an unlikely collection of folks.
I love how Richard Dawkins is aligned with christian nutheads nowadays instead of following how reality actually flows and how it speaks back to us. absurd.
Indeed , I'm with RD on his anti woke stance though I'm Christian.
@@tomgreene1843 cause ur both Christians lol
Christian here too, but with Dawkins (and many other atheists) over the woke brigade. Strange alliance
Indeed it is !@@jameshollands7656
I read a few of your books back in high school and I enjoyed them all. They gave me a new light into life and I’m forever grateful.
Now this TH-cam channel is the good news all of us rational beings have been waiting for.
THANK YOU❤
Delighted you're doing a Podcast.
Bravo! Always delicacies for the intellect. Thank you.
Yes, RD certainly does inspire us with his intellectual courage, but he also has a lion's share of personal courage, too. How many other public figures continue to speak up for rationality and a secular civil society when they begin to receive threats from the those with whom he does not agree? Dawkins is a tenacious, witty, no nonsense but patient, prolific, dedicated public figure who is changing our world for the better.
dawkin's face @37:05 - in reference to peter mentioning that the new woke religion that has displaced the Christianity he has fought against all his life - 'and they dont need faith for that' - is the saddest 'yes' I have ever seen.
Thanks for this video!
There’s something so comforting about those butterflies in the background, reminds me of my grandmothers house.
Sex and Gender are two different things - both are rooted in science. The accusation that others are ideologues who have pre-judged the conclusion rings hollow when you conflate chromosomal sex with gender. Understanding starts with having the same definitions but that might lead to some actual understanding 😅🤷🏼♀️🤦♀️
The real problem is people confusing biology with sociology. Unfortunately, most people don't have the vocabulary or understanding of the difference. In biology, there is no doubt there are only 2 sexes. Gender and the "traditional gender roles" are purely a sociological construct. As our society changes, by definition, I would expect the sociology of "gender" to be changing as well.
I'm from Sweden and are here in TH-cam a little more than my friends. The problem about sexes in the US and Great Britain seems not be a problem at all here. When I talk about it to my friends, they look completely zeroed, wondering what I'm talking about. So I'm wondering... is it really something an average person in the US/Great Britain is talking about outside social media? I understand that it's a real problem for example about that guy who won in the swimming contest for women, or that rapist who claimed he was a woman ...but here we never heard about it or similar cases. This is not something our news seems to bother about. Could it be that this is a non-issue that is completely exaggerated and only fueled by social media, in social media? or is it only I who are fed all this films about the subject by the algoritm because I think its really strange and therefor interesting?
Here in California the problem of the sexes is something that the media, the schools, and the government is forcing down our throats. It is not something we think about or talk about in real life except when it affects us directly. Parents who have children in school (thank God my children are adults) are fighting because their children are being taught that they can change their sex. Women in sports are fighting when a man pretending to be a woman enters the sport. Some 15 years ago California declared all public bathrooms unisex and for a while stores that had public bathrooms went along with it. The idea died away because people like me, who needed to use a bathroom in the middle of shopping, cancelled shopping and just went home to use their own "safe, no man lurking inside" bathroom. The Netherlands just decided that a very ugly pretend woman to be Miss Netherlands.
I live in Austria and it's definitely an issue here too. Everywhere, but especially in educational institutions. There are several "trans kids" in nearly every classroom now. In reality they usually are autistic or have mental health conditions. Or, they're just alternative teens who would have been goth, emo, punk etc. in the 90s. Often, they dye their hair blue. I doubt it's not a problem in Sweden. But most people outside of these institutions don't realize/notice it.
Being "attractive" has nothing to do with the discussion though.
@@valerianmandrake Sorry that I got a little emotional, it just annoys me how the gender activists have such a holier than thou attitude. I wonder if they understand how their outrageous claims engender disdain and hatred. I saw a discussion where someone was justifying death threats because of misgendering. The vitriol they spew while talking about "inclusivity" is so hypocritical.
I'm in the UK.
I was served by a bearded man wearing a dress in a very large department store. (Totally inappropriate behaviour around children IMO and he looked ridiculous).
The lady in front of me said loudly, "us women have to stick together".
I could have kissed her!
So no, it is very real but in my experience anyway, very rare.
Incidentally, a supermarket chain during "pride" month festooned their shops with flags and bunting. Literally, pushing this in our faces.
Unfortunately, it's not restricted to the online world of social media.
@@simonshee5155 I really don't have a problem with a man wearing a dress. A man can dress however he wants. He can even have a female name. But he cant claim he is a biological woman saying he know how it is to be a woman, because he can't.
Richard Dawkins is a person who I would love to sit down with and discuss the universe.
Absoluetly brilliant conversation.
Teach science approach in school not just scientific subjects. Even though I was taught math, physics,biology and chemistry from being 13 years old I did not grasp the idea of the scientific method until university.
That's a very good point
Being a devout Roman Catholic does not, should not exclude being witty and clever. 🙂
In bacteriology, we recognize that the vast legions of bacteria on (say) a kitchen countertop are benign to humans. Excessive use of antibacterials everywhere tend to result in a elimination of all populations of bacteria leaving those surfaces to be recolonized (inevitably) by bacterial colonies that turn out to be much more harmful to humans.
Alternately, we could use a viral inoculant metaphor; that the presence of benign ideas to 'fill that memetic space in peoples' heads' armors them against more toxic, virulent ideas.
Fascinating talk, thank you.
“Gullibility expands to fill the void”
This profound statement explains so very much.
This channel is so incredibly refreshingly intelligent. It's almost calming and centering to listen to genuine facts void of emotions. Intellectually stimulating and grounding simultaneously. I'm grateful to you sir.
I get that a lot too. Because I’m opposed to woke I must support MAGA or vice versa, depending on which cult I’m addressing at the time. Actually, I’m opposed to both because I don’t care for irrational extremism. I prefer evidence based rationality instead of fear and hate. But society is so polarized and it seems like many people struggle to think broader than two.
Just want to thank Pr. Dawkins for everything he has done to spread rational thinking ans show how great science is. He has indeed changed so many people's lives.
Hi Richard, amazing content, but I'm assuming you're using the Rode Go wireless mics, hence the horrible audio noise. When you plug in a lav mic, you need to turn off the 'pads', it's a setting in the app.
I was introduced to The Selfish Gene by my father when I was a teen. I was impressed by his enthusiasm about your ideas and your writing. It was a compelling endorsement coming from one of the most intelligent and grounded people I have ever known in my life. Thank you for your great contributions to humanity and for standing up for science. I love your idea about the natural world being poetry. It is poetry, it is music, it is mathematics. I am reminded of Hofstadter's GED which nudged me into the field of Cognitive Psychology.
I remember reading an article several years ago that showed that the decline of religion among Millennials could be directly tied to the perceived homophobia coming from religious people in the country during the debate on whether gays could serve in the military and whether guys could marry and other issues pertaining to gay rights. In other words, Millennials did NOT reject religion for reasons of embracing rationality, they rejected it because of the VALUES they saw religion promoting. If this is true then it shouldn't be surprising that many of them embraced an alternative system of irrational beliefs like some of the beliefs associated with "wokism". Rationality doesn't appear to have ever been their goal. Otherwise people with this worldview would not be so unwilling to hold their beliefs up to scrutiny.
Interesting and complicated subject. Watch out for the audio issues👂
Listened elsewhere. Great convo!
The need for irrational belief systems is a symptom of underlying psychological dysfunctions; coping strategies for existential deficiencies.
Such as? Care to enlighten us?
@@NSOcarth
Regardless of whether religious objects of worship exist or not, adults seeking worshipful, blind subservience to anyone is dangerously irresponsible on top of being pathetic. It's the same impulse behind those following human cult leaders, and is no better when directed towards any supposed deity.
@@sophiepooks2174
Such as needing blind, dogmatic faith in an ideology to fill a void of meaning in one's life. A desperate need to abdicate moral responsibility for one's self to some external authority. Etc.
Tell us all Kimani what you believe in? What is your coping strategy for your existential deficiencies? Einstein wrote about his beliefs concerning Science and Religion and I wouldn't characterize him as irrational or having an irrational belief system.
@@NSOcarth Why? Because he's irrational? 😂🤣😂
As long as there is suffering in the world there will be religion. Academics also suffer from their own ivory tower delusions thinking that by simply instilling critical thinking skills all will be right with the world, not realizing that malnutrition, violence & a whole host of other pathologies need to be addressed before this is even possible. I find that many academics have a callousness toward the underprivileged. What would you do if you were daily on the brink of death, wish for a better world or develop your critical thinking skills?
When you’re on the same side as Richard.. you know you’ve chosen correctly
At each new topic and every segue I feel like commenting, adding, shouting out my recognition... But I will stop here and listen. And learn. Great stuff, this.
Largely fair enough but the conversation could have touched on so-called intersex individuals, i.e. females who develop with male physical characteristics/males with female ones. How are these people supposed to interact with culture/the world and if surgery is deemed a solution, where lies the boundary for intervention?
Irrelevant. Intersex people (people with DSD) have literally nothing to do with trans ideology, and have been coopted by trans rights activists in an attempt to legitimise their metaphysical claims.
Also, people with DSD still have a sex. They just have medical conditions related to this sex, ie only men can have Klinefelter syndrome.
DSD people with noticeable symptoms are a tiny minority, they are accommodated in society, and do not cause any issues.
99.999% of transidentified people do not have a DSD, although they sure would like to because in their mind it would make them more valid. Which is pathetic. Again, DSD is not a fun third sex, it means that people have a serious medical condition.
Intersex is a birth defect.
Why? Intersex people do have a sex. And they are a very small percent of the population. You're making a logical fallacy.
@@SchroderCat : if you think that's a logical fallacy you need to get back in your box.
I love this coveration but I just can't stand the background noise, it's a particular frequency that is giving me a headache
Great conversation, guys.
Richard has a Desmond Morris painting (or two) in his living room! Behind Peter. Nice one, Richard.
I have personally come to the substitution hypothesis (though I haven't referred to it as such), and I have flocked to Christianity in response, but I have still gained a lot from Richard Dawkins and I thank God for people like him. I appreciate the principles to which he has dedicated himself and I value the curiosity and awe he exhibits and inspires
Although I don't dismiss out of hand the 'replacement theory' I find it a bit too convenient. Many European countries (including the UK) have always been more secular than the U.S. I think you have to look farther to find an explanation for a U.S. generation's lack of belief f(which has always been lower than Europe's). It seems people are taking as the standard, the decrease in the U.S. population's belief in religion, to be the indicator of the rest of the world's beliefs. The religiosity of Sweden has always been lower than the U.S. Why haven't the Swedish then, always been more woke? We have more work to do, it seems to me, to find some institutional appeal to the origin of 'wokeness'.
Not always. Certainly the U.S. has had higher levels of religiosity for the past 100-120 years. I’m not sure that always holds in the 19th century or before.
The Victorian era was quite evangelical; Prior to the 1850’s, Catholics, Jews, and Atheists could not be seated in the House of Commons.
The prohibition on any established religion in the U.S. Constitution stands in stark contrast.
For what it’s worth, I truly admire the British Constitution (and it’s evolution), as well as the remarkable political efficacy of it’s people.
We also need common sense!! Great discussion
Great conversation. But guys, there is a phone near some tech that gives a very distracting high pitch zoom.
A pleasure to listen
This ‘professor of philosophy’ came across to me as distinctly light weight.