Multimeter basics, voltage and resistance tests (a free SD Premium video)
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Why does current need to be flowing for accurate voltage measurements?
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Why is the ohmmeter not a good tool to use for finding resistance problems on high amperage circuits?
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I have used the Load Pro for a couple of years. It is my GO-TO tool for loading a circuit. It is very useful in finding a restriction in current flow due to high resistance. It allows you to check the voltage while circuit is loaded, or not loaded. Another great video.
But it can only be used on 12volts or does it also work for low voltage wires? Like say one that only sends 5v source?
I could watch electrical theory videos all day. Love it, always good to brush up on the basics. Being a 12v technician, you would be amazed at how many people in my field don't know how to use a DMM even, let alone do a voltage drop test.
I had a hard time checking grounds with a voltmeter, I finally got it, the voltmeter reads difference in voltage so battery ground is already 0 volts, when you check another ground there should be minimal difference,thanks Paul Danner for making all you videos extremely educational.
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I found the 1999 Ford Ranger bad ground video is very good to help understand these voltage drop checks having watched this.
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A floating ground provides the computer with a cleaner signal and is particularly useful for low voltage circuits. You could say it keeps the voltage sensing circuit for that particular sensor away from the noisy engine block ground.
O2 sensors and variable reluctance sensors use ground bias voltage a lot.
I have also heard it has to do with the analog to digital converter too, but I am no electrical engineer.
You can have low battery voltage during a crank from: weak battery, starter motor drawing to much amperage (seizing up), internal engine problems (engine seizing up).
So low cranking voltage is usually from a weak battery but don't forget about the other variables.
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It's $20 for an individual car and it is the same service information and diagrams i use, only black and white. But still good.
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It couldn't be more clear thanks man.
I think he made a couple very good points here. First that the voltage drop had to be tested with the switch in the crank position. Second that the ohmmeter is not a good tester for higher amperage circuits. It definitely helped clarify these things for me.
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@Amopower Yea, I don't like the resistance test on those either. I prefer a scope and an amp probe or voltage waveform. But you could still do a resistance test, it is a low enough current circuit that it should be accurate. An ohm test would be especially useful with an open coil, but then again voltage would identify the same thing. I just wanted people to understand the limitations thats all
@Turbotomass i don't recall talking about an ECT in this video but either way with no ground there is mo current flow and therefore no voltage drop.
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Load pro test leads. I got some that was give to me. Only thing I've used them for is the hollow point on test leads. Great for checking pins. That's all I can say about them. I check for voltage drop at load. Great video Paul Danner.
I am now able to understand more about Voltage Drop Testing. Thank You,
that is awesome man. thanks for the comment and I am glad you got it. that is exactly right
Yes. Your digital meter measuring resistance may not show you the problem in the battery cable not because the resistance can't be measured but because the meter is not designed to measure low resistances accurately. For example with some spit ball numbers. If your cranking amps are 50 amps and the cranking voltage at the starter is 10 volts, ohms law says the starter resistance is 10 V/50 A=.2 ohms so if you had even 1 ohm of resistance in you battery cable to the starter, the current to the starter is now only 10 V/1.2 Ohm=8.3 amps but now there is 8.3 A X 1 Ohm = 8.3 V across the battery cable which you can measure easily with the digital meter and that's how an ohmmeter works. The meter supplies a known current to the resistor being measured on meter leads and reads the voltage across the leads and the voltage reading is converted to resistance. They do make ohm meters that will accurately measure resistance in the 0 to 5 ohm range.
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Awesome videos. I know most of this already but this and your other videos are clarifying some things.
@fivefortyeye540i Yes, the circuit is ground side switched and no, you would have shown 12v on the PCM control wire because it wasn't grounded yet (no current flow=no voltage drop across the relay coil). I re-checked the diagram and with cooling fan 1 disconnected you would have read nothing (no power, no ground) with your powerprobe on the load side fan contact (pin 87).
I love this video,the best explanation of ohms low ever.
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Paul Danner. Awesome video. Basic Electrical fundamentals is a must.
It sure is! Thank you!
@apodlosky Yes, This was in Section 1 "Universal Testing Methods"
I have a TH-cam video that compliments this video and explains more about voltage drop. Just search for "ohms law automotive dc circuits" and you will find the 4 videos that explain ohm's law and voltage drops in more detail. Hope this helps for those who want to know more.
I just read that the max a computer ground should have as voltage drop is .10v but what does that figure mean? 1.000 is a thousand milliamps being 1 amp, so .10v is it a tength of an amp but then what’s the ‘V’ part of it?
+lwgraves I found your way of calculating ohm's law long and tedious compared to how I was taught which was this way: th-cam.com/video/K7ZqNTrmcAU/w-d-xo.html A whole 59 SECONDS! Cover the one you are looking for and you are left with the equation to use. Simple!
most important part - there must be 0 voltage present in the circuit to do a correct resistance test because of the way a multimeter calculates resistance. some stuff can only be learned in a classroom. good stuff
I use a battery load tester on battery cables simulates load of starter cranking 400 + amps maintain 10.5 volts minimum.
Excellent work Thanks
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Thanks man, just be careful with the relay coil drivers. I think the tool sounds pretty cool too.
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oooook, i don't have one either but ive been looking into the tool for a while, and i was pretty much sold until i came across this video, and im watching it and thinking the loadpro would be great for some of the stuff your talking about testing in this video, the theory of the tool seems simply enough, i'm gonna give it a shot
anywho, thanks for the reply, love your channel BTW
I got my notes out again Danner, I will fix this backwards japanese wiring.
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@ScannerDanner What are we working on? Year, make and model would help me help you more
Hi Paul,again very good explanation of what voltage drop is and how to test for it....Thank you for another excellent video 👍🏻
Amazing video. Concise and well explained. Thank you Paul!
@Bonfield2002 No, never heard of them. What are they and how do they work?
@Amopower Potentiometers yes, variable speed fan no. Honestly, I rarely use my ohmmeter.
Hi Mr Paul at 35:00 you said some tech will said bad fan motor and your right, I was working at gmc van the ac fuse keep blow it, the mechanic said bad blower motor, what I found corrosion at the motor relay but I thought the resisted blow the fuse? but never sure, thank you for this class now I understand more about corrosion..
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What other pins are you reading 300mv on? If these are sensor grounds, then yes it is too high. You want less than 100mv on a sensor ground and less than 50mv on an ECM power ground. (That would be tested with the key on engine off or running, NOT cranking)
@fivefortyeye540i OK, I looked up a 98 Buick Century 3.1 There are three cooling fan relays. Which one were you checking? Also in case you didn't know this system runs the fan motors in series to each other for low speed and in parallel for high speed. Depending on your testing if you had one fan disconnected it could change the readings you were expecting to see
Ok, lets take a relay driver for example. The normal current draw of a relay coil is 100ma. Will 500ma be 5 times more current flow than this circuit usually sees? Yes! Will it cook the driver? Probably not, most drivers can handle way more current than the normal circuit draws. Also some are protected with current limiting devices. (Check out my GM shorted injector videos).
I still wouldn't want to load a relay coil driver with 500ma.
@fivefortyeye540i So with the relay plugged back in is when you did this? If this is the case be very careful that those wires do not touch each other. You could fry the PCM driver. Anyway with the relay plugged in you should show 12v on three legs. 1 = control side power 2 = control side switched ground (not grounded yet) 3 = Load side power. The fourth wire is the load side feed to the fan. With the relay off this wire would show a ground (unless you had the fan unplugged)
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@fivefortyeye540i 85 and 86 will show 12v with the circuit off. So the wire you showed nothing on wouldn't have been either of those. Pin 30 = hot all the time and Pin 87 should have indicated a ground with your power probe because it would have found a path through the fan motor brush contacts to ground. This is why I don't like the power probe. It is NOT a ground even though it shows it as a ground. If the fan was unplugged then pin 87 would have shown neither power or ground.
@Username64870 Not necessary to do if you voltage drop test your ground circuit and it is ok. To test alt. ground, run engine at 1500-2000 RPM with all accessory loads on. Connect DMM from alt. case to battery negative post. The closer to zero volts the better. I would say no more than a few hundred millivolts difference max.
Just diagnosed an 02 honda civic using this method. It had intermittent flickering of the instrument panel lights, srs light would turn on then turn off and resetting of the spedometer/tachometer during driving. No stalling, no engine codes. It would happen at least 3-4 times while driving it. I had changed the alternator/battery a year ago. I started at the battery. Terminals were highly corroded along with grounds so I tried to find a good ground and then tested power side under load with car running. There were two power cables, one said a consistent 13volts, the other went everywhere. Ok so i thought either corrosion or bad connection. Went to the distribution block where they went to, same thing... one lead had a steady 13v the other went everywhere. So there was not a steady voltage to one circuit. i was going to try and clean the lead. The lead fell off the wire while loosening it. Put on a new one and cleaned up the grounds just in case and put some anti corrosion spray on all the connections. Test drove it and no more srs light on/ instrument panel resetting. If i did not test these i would have probably went and bought a new instrument panel for nothing :) was going to test the alternator but no more issues. Im saying issue solved
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ScannerDanner Premium thank you! Also worth mentioning is i checked the grounds which were all good
Thanks paul for another great video. Im an old dog trying to learn new tricks. Ive been out of the field since 1997 and am getting back in. your videos are helping me ten fold. Im buying your e book as soon as I get some extra cash.One question I have on voltage drop testing the + batt cable. What is the allowable voltage reading on the + cable to call the cable good,or do you always want to see 0 v during crank? I wish this kind of tranning was available back in the day lol !!!
a voltmeter does not support current flow. and you never connect a voltmeter in series. it is always connected in parallel. your second point is valid, to a point. If the window motor is open then you are correct, there is no current flow so when testing the ground circuit for a voltage drop it will be inaccurate. lets say your ground is open on the window motor circuit, if you unplug the connector to do you voltage testing you will miss it. so on principle, leave it plugged in
I like the water pressure examples and adding hypothetical restrictions (resistance_) into a water line and asking what would that do to the pressure(voltage) at that point.
@Turbotomass which part are you talking about.
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Mr Paul if I checking the battery during cranking if I read less them 10 V that it be bad battery or there are different batteries reading..
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I had a Chrysler Pacifica that would crank and run at times and at times it would not crank. I had power at the starter and also had signal voltage while cranking to the solenoid. So I put a starter in it and it would not crank it would just click after doing that. And what I found was a braided ground going from the trans to the frame that was broken.
Nice explanation
It does sound like a bad ground.
I think one of them is used solely for cooling fan control but I am not 100% on that.
Voltage drops are a must in diagnosing and I am curious to know if you do use the LOADpro® Dynamic Test Leads. I use mine all the time and saves me a lot or time.
Yes, one fan was unplugged , when I probed the harness I did have a ground neg probe lit off, but on second wire no power. So dose that make it power side switched?? Yes I had 4 wires running to top of relay, I had power on 3 legs. Nothing on forth leg, looking at relay schematic writing was facing outward. The first leg going at the top going left to wright is the one that did nt show anything.. The rest had power 12 volts..
hey paul great video. I got your paper book as a birthday gift last November. been reading though it quite a bit lately and watching the videos as I go. Me and electrical do not get a along. till I got to this video, it helped me understand more about electrical now will have to watch it more to get more. but sure helped. Also as I get into electrical more, what do you think is the best most reasonable priced dvom or would a power probe do the job? keep the great videos and I'll keep watching. God bless
just saw this. very interesting. and almost understanding.
What we don't know is what voltage we have from the ignition switch. And if we have a break in either wire going to the ignitor. and the same on the negative side of the coil. we have two wires the either of them could be the cause. It could be bad igniton switch as well.
well variable resistor that was getting 5v ref. Then a voltmeter in series with a circuit breaks current flow?
One other thing. Voltage drop is just for resistance, ie something is working slowly or intermittent, no for an obviously dead component. For example I have an open window motor so the circuit is open at the motor and wouldn't even make a difference if I let the connector connected or not there isn't going to be current flow.
I am not against this tool, but I am also not going to endorse it either. (not without using it anyway)
When I answered that question, I did not know that it had a 500ma max output. I never used the load pro so forgive my ignorance.
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Matco sells what's called a volt pro. It dynamically loads the circuit. I particularly like it cause you do not have to turn your component on. similar to the load pro. Have you heard of it?
@MrLoboreview That is correct
Not sure an exact number but only a few hundred millivolts difference at most.
Reason I asked is because at the time I rapped wire around each leg of relay.. When I touched 3 legs with the power probe I got 12 volts on 3 legs. But when I touched on the fourth leg i got nothing, no green ground light no nothing no audible tone nothing.. So after studying pg73. I can't help but to think back why, why that probe dint light up to notify me that's a ground? Is it because the driver has to get input else where to be turned on? ( become ground)
Surprising how many people do voltage testing incorrectly isn't it?
I haven't, thanks for the info though. I don't use any load type tools as it is too easy to "fry" a computer driver with one of those. Applying a power or ground with the touch of a button is not a good thing in my world. Especially because I am teaching others. "Rookies" WILL use this type of tool incorrectly.
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