I am curious for you to finish the list but what are you gonna do after? Maybe so the IMDB top 100? There's some overlap but I'm pretty sure the Shining is on there.
Within this vein, could you please do a video on Amadeus? It was on the original 1998 AFI top 100 at 53, but inexplicably taken off entirely for the 10 years later update. Pleeeeease DANNY BOY!!!!!!!
The amount of attention this channel gets is criminal. I enjoy these videos a lot more than I enjoy Daniel's regular videos, which is saying something because Daniel pogs. 150 views in 15 hours is unacceptable.
Without the snow-cat that Dick Halloran brings, Wendy and Danny still would have died. So he does save them, but dies doing it. And as established earlier in the film, we know that Dick dying doesn't necessarily mean he's gone, as Dick and Danny can both speak to spirits, which is given more weight in Doctor Sleep. Also, this was his take and his perspective on the abusive subject matter, that victims don't usually give themselves the agency they need to leave, that so many people either ignore or gloss over the blatant abuse the victims are suffering or simply don't know about the abuse. And those that try to help, unfortunately, usually get hurt themselves or even die. This is why the film feels so cold, so cynical, especially compared to King's story.
This movie, on my first watch, was ok, but it wasn’t really scary. On rewatch, I went in with the mindset that this is a psychological horror film with more unseen terrors, and I found it to be much better. Thanks for the discussions, they’re great!
I feel ya about rewatches. The first time I watched the signing I really was underwhelmed and thought it was crazy overated based on its reputation but then, a couple years later, I came back and was blown away. Something that was pointed out to me in Dunkeys great video on this was how awesome and ominous the music is. If you like it, check out the album Switched on Bach. It's the composer (who is a super awesome trans lady, btw) doing a bunch of Bach on the same sort of Moogs and Synths she used for the Shinning. Pretty dope. Edit: Props to Ben! That little car absolutely SLAYED ME.
Dick Hallhoran was the cook, not groundskeeper but nice vid! The Shining is one of my all time favorite films and it's because of Kubrick's film style.
The shining was the last book I could read of King. During the animated topiary scene a tree was banging on my window at around 2am. After that, I was done. No more King.
@@DanielGreeneReviews Absolutely. I wasn’t expecting such stylized cinematography and use of colors and that was very cool to see. And the performances were first rate obviously lol. It was great
Somehow I completely forgot about the boldface arial font in the beginning! Kind of wild Avatar still gets flack for the papyrus, while this for some reason gets a pass?
1 - Love this channel 2 - Both of you have great takes 3 - Emily’s corner is hilarious, keep that a thing 4 - Noah needs less camera on profile and more camera on face (you do you though, don’t mind the critics)
Kubrick has a ton of jokes seeded in even his most serious movies - the one with Scatman Carruthers being one of his best IMO - rewatch his sequence with that mindset and you might agree!
4:55 - saying it in this time frame because I happened to pause here... it's so weird that Noah is in profile. it feels like I'm intruding in a conversation or something, like he doesn't wanna talk with me. just me saying I don't enjoy this camera angle as much as daniels. anyway.. back to the video. (also, method acting is very obnoxious)
There is a faithful adaptation for The Shining. It stars Steven Weber as Jack Torrance. It. Is. Amazing. It’s 3-4 hours long made for TV movie. It is so good. Steven Weber also narrates IT and CRUSHES IT. 1000/10 recommend.
I never liked the Shining movie. I saw it first time 11 years ago right after I'd read the book, and I loved the book and instantly disliked the movie. About 4 years ago I tried watching the movie again, I hadn't re-read the book and hardly remembered what happened in either except the lady in the bathtub and the exploding boiler at the end of the book. I didn't even remember there was a maze in the movie and though I remember disliking the movie, I didn't remember specifically why, so I went in as open minded as I could, but I still didn't like it very much. When first I saw it I gave it 5/10, second time I think I raised that to a 6, but just barely, and I have no desire to re-watch it any time soon, though I've felt in the mood for a re-read for a while now, maybe my next Audible listen.
You are looking for the fonts of Stanley Kubrick by Giovanni Blandino. IBM created the first PC in 1981, so Movie Titles in older Movies where created by a graphics designer.
I saw the movie many years ago, before reading the book. I enjoyed it but didn't get all the hype. After reading the book I gained a much greater appreciation for the movie upon re-watches. They are two very different stories, but they compliment each other perfectly.
I am planning to watch this movie for the first time this week. You talk about how important it is to have the appropriate context before watching the movie to get maximum enjoyment. Can you offer a recommendation/ link in order for us to get that preparation? 💙 Thanks!!
I would highly recommend Dunkeys review of this movie. It'll get you into the proper mindset and it's only a couple of minutes long. And don't worry about spoilers, do to cultural osmosis you probably know every important thing that happens in this movie. Like they said, it's actually better on rewatches so have no fear!
I haven’t read the book but I’ve always liked how Torrance is already bad before he even gets to the hotel. But i really enjoy the movie’s subtext of America trying to pave over the memory of native genocide (with Torrance representing white patriarchy and Danny the young generation who will hopefully one day break free).
In the book the family is on the edge of falling apart. Jack is a drunk on the wagon who feels guilty over hurting Danny and has to deal with the shadow of his own father who was a violent drunk while Wendy hasn't left him in part because it would prove her mother right. Her mother was emotionally abusive. Also there is no mention of native Americans. All the supernatural evil is real and the hotel is evil because of it's past. A number of suicide s and murders had happen in the Overlook.
You have seen the Stephen King sanctioned 1997 mini series of The Shining, right? Very true to the book, pretty terrible and inferior to the Kubrick version in many ways. You mentioned wanting to see a faithful adaptation, so I was curious.
The mini series has issues including budget and the censorship that comes with the fact it was made for network tv. Another problem is King who wrote the script wasn't the same man who sat down and wrote the book and also it is a damn hard book to adapt. It is full of flash backs and a lot of internal struggles that would be hard to capture in a movie or tv mini series.
i thought this film (when i finally saw it) was.... hokey. not even "camp", not even in the fun way. just.... hokey. it made me make a ridiculous face through most of it. they didn't explore most of the good shit, they went WAY too hard on the "don't get killed by the abusive and terrible father" element of it. and not for the reasons, it turns out, he gets to be that way in the actual source material. i just found it to be an annoying snooze fest.
You forgot it has one of the stupidest endings imagine and who know that there a mass of Kubrick fans that will tell you it's really brilliant and then five you a four hour lecture about how wrong you are and the meaning of the ending. They would never admit it is a shit ending.
Hoo boy. The first couple times I saw this I was young and impressionable and I let myself be caught up in the hype. But I rewatched it (third time, at least) just a couple of weeks ago and I honestly can't see where the hype comes from. I googled if nobody else had the same problems with it but all I could find were people talking about the wife's acting (which I found MUCH better than Jack Nicholson's) and her face (if this is your 'criticism', you are nothing. Did you look at Nicholson? Did the quality of *his* performance hinge on whether or not you wanted to f*ck him?). Also people keep saying that it's a bad adaptation but a good movie in its own right. I haven't read the source material, I judge it on my understanding of good filmmaking. So here's my very personal opinion you are welcome to disagree with: The cinematography is dull and flat. Yes there is that famous camera axis thing in the bathroom scene. That was kind of interesting but it's honestly not that special. Even the famous bloody elevator scene is shot like they just put that camera _anywhere_ on set and started rolling. The music was way over the top and it killed any potential subtlety in Jack's mental decline which starts way too early and way too strong. He starts at 10 and manages to up it to a weak 11. Nicholson's acting is *terrible*. He looks like he's in one of those 90s live-action disney remakes where the actors tried to move like their cartoon counterparts. _Jim Carrey_ does a more subtle and nuanced Jack Nicholson. The plot seemed like the stuff that stuck to the wall in no particular order and then it's over. Maybe unlike everything else in the movie it's too subtle for me but this was my third rewatch and I wanted to like it. Best thing I can say: The scene where the kid is driving on the carpet has cool sound design.
Putting the book aside I could never figure out the point of the elevator scene and than there's Jack. He comes off like a man looking for reason to murder his family from the beginning. And while Kubrick pulls of a few cool tricks Danny riding his three wheeler the whole going into the maze, it is still cold and detached. You can never real care if anyone lives or dies.
I think The Shining is the single most overrated horror movie of all time. It honestly feels like people glorify portions of it to justify other people's opinions of it.
It isn't really scary. And like many of Kubrick's films it is cold and detached so they all could drop dead and you won't care. His style did not work for horror.
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Guess which two doofuses thought this was on the AFI list and it turns out it wasn't? Guess! Guess which two...
you did, silly gooses
It really should be so we don’t blame you both for thinking it was 😂
I am curious for you to finish the list but what are you gonna do after? Maybe so the IMDB top 100? There's some overlap but I'm pretty sure the Shining is on there.
@@TheDiabeticGameMaster Our own top 100 is the plan but we have a WAYS to go :)
Within this vein, could you please do a video on Amadeus? It was on the original 1998 AFI top 100 at 53, but inexplicably taken off entirely for the 10 years later update. Pleeeeease DANNY BOY!!!!!!!
The amount of attention this channel gets is criminal. I enjoy these videos a lot more than I enjoy Daniel's regular videos, which is saying something because Daniel pogs. 150 views in 15 hours is unacceptable.
Lol I screwed up the release. Typically these do better.
“In all things mysterious - never explain.”
A quote from Lovecraft that Kubrick repeated over and over.
Without the snow-cat that Dick Halloran brings, Wendy and Danny still would have died. So he does save them, but dies doing it. And as established earlier in the film, we know that Dick dying doesn't necessarily mean he's gone, as Dick and Danny can both speak to spirits, which is given more weight in Doctor Sleep.
Also, this was his take and his perspective on the abusive subject matter, that victims don't usually give themselves the agency they need to leave, that so many people either ignore or gloss over the blatant abuse the victims are suffering or simply don't know about the abuse. And those that try to help, unfortunately, usually get hurt themselves or even die. This is why the film feels so cold, so cynical, especially compared to King's story.
This movie, on my first watch, was ok, but it wasn’t really scary. On rewatch, I went in with the mindset that this is a psychological horror film with more unseen terrors, and I found it to be much better. Thanks for the discussions, they’re great!
I feel ya about rewatches. The first time I watched the signing I really was underwhelmed and thought it was crazy overated based on its reputation but then, a couple years later, I came back and was blown away. Something that was pointed out to me in Dunkeys great video on this was how awesome and ominous the music is. If you like it, check out the album Switched on Bach. It's the composer (who is a super awesome trans lady, btw) doing a bunch of Bach on the same sort of Moogs and Synths she used for the Shinning. Pretty dope. Edit: Props to Ben! That little car absolutely SLAYED ME.
I'd actually love to hear you both talk together about midnight mass
Ben is the channel GOAT
One of my favorite comedies.
Dick Hallhoran was the cook, not groundskeeper but nice vid! The Shining is one of my all time favorite films and it's because of Kubrick's film style.
Not only a window, but a mode. He drove the snow cat there!
Right. They would have died if he hadn’t driven the snow cat there for them to escape in. Jack sabotaged the one that was there.
The shining was the last book I could read of King. During the animated topiary scene a tree was banging on my window at around 2am. After that, I was done. No more King.
What crazy timing. I literally watched this for the first time 2 days ago
Enjoy the experience???
@@DanielGreeneReviews Absolutely. I wasn’t expecting such stylized cinematography and use of colors and that was very cool to see. And the performances were first rate obviously lol. It was great
Love both of your channels . Keep up the good work ! Had a question in my mind:Do you have a letterboxd account?
Emily's Corner should definitely become a regular segment. She's got some great Chaos energy
Somehow I completely forgot about the boldface arial font in the beginning! Kind of wild Avatar still gets flack for the papyrus, while this for some reason gets a pass?
1 - Love this channel
2 - Both of you have great takes
3 - Emily’s corner is hilarious, keep that a thing
4 - Noah needs less camera on profile and more camera on face (you do you though, don’t mind the critics)
Kubrick has a ton of jokes seeded in even his most serious movies - the one with Scatman Carruthers being one of his best IMO - rewatch his sequence with that mindset and you might agree!
The teal font at the start is the first attempt at getting in your head
4:55 - saying it in this time frame because I happened to pause here... it's so weird that Noah is in profile. it feels like I'm intruding in a conversation or something, like he doesn't wanna talk with me.
just me saying I don't enjoy this camera angle as much as daniels.
anyway.. back to the video. (also, method acting is very obnoxious)
It’s like a cinematography choice Kubrick would make.
Completely agree with Emily, those are all the exact same problems I have.
I've also heard that I need to read the book.
There is a faithful adaptation for The Shining. It stars Steven Weber as Jack Torrance. It. Is. Amazing. It’s 3-4 hours long made for TV movie. It is so good. Steven Weber also narrates IT and CRUSHES IT. 1000/10 recommend.
Directed by Stephen King
didnt show up in my subscriptions for some reason BUT IT WAS DISCUSSION TIME SO I SOUGHT IT OUT
Glad to see you two back. I really missed your videos.
My favorite horror movies were Hereditary and The VVitch.
I never liked the Shining movie. I saw it first time 11 years ago right after I'd read the book, and I loved the book and instantly disliked the movie. About 4 years ago I tried watching the movie again, I hadn't re-read the book and hardly remembered what happened in either except the lady in the bathtub and the exploding boiler at the end of the book. I didn't even remember there was a maze in the movie and though I remember disliking the movie, I didn't remember specifically why, so I went in as open minded as I could, but I still didn't like it very much. When first I saw it I gave it 5/10, second time I think I raised that to a 6, but just barely, and I have no desire to re-watch it any time soon, though I've felt in the mood for a re-read for a while now, maybe my next Audible listen.
I was waiting for this for days, this is probably my favourite channel rn!
You are looking for the fonts of Stanley Kubrick by Giovanni Blandino. IBM created the first PC in 1981, so Movie Titles in older Movies where created by a graphics designer.
I saw the movie many years ago, before reading the book. I enjoyed it but didn't get all the hype. After reading the book I gained a much greater appreciation for the movie upon re-watches. They are two very different stories, but they compliment each other perfectly.
Flannagan is a blessing
I am planning to watch this movie for the first time this week.
You talk about how important it is to have the appropriate context before watching the movie to get maximum enjoyment. Can you offer a recommendation/ link in order for us to get that preparation?
💙
Thanks!!
I would highly recommend Dunkeys review of this movie. It'll get you into the proper mindset and it's only a couple of minutes long. And don't worry about spoilers, do to cultural osmosis you probably know every important thing that happens in this movie. Like they said, it's actually better on rewatches so have no fear!
@@TheDiabeticGameMaster 🙏 thanks very much!!
The suggested video:
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The boy who plays danny his name is Jack lloyd he's now a college professor
A quick Google tells me it’s Danny Lloyd in this movie. Jake Lloyd, I know, was young Anakin in the Phantom Menace.
Whoa, this Channel exists, just found it.
I haven’t read the book but I’ve always liked how Torrance is already bad before he even gets to the hotel. But i really enjoy the movie’s subtext of America trying to pave over the memory of native genocide (with Torrance representing white patriarchy and Danny the young generation who will hopefully one day break free).
In the book the family is on the edge of falling apart. Jack is a drunk on the wagon who feels guilty over hurting Danny and has to deal with the shadow of his own father who was a violent drunk while Wendy hasn't left him in part because it would prove her mother right. Her mother was emotionally abusive. Also there is no mention of native Americans. All the supernatural evil is real and the hotel is evil because of it's past. A number of suicide s and murders had happen in the Overlook.
Great discussion
Now I'm curious about y'all's thoughts on the miniseries from the '90s.
I like the addition of Emily's Corner. It will be interesting to see what she thinks of M*A*S*H* when you get around to it.
You have seen the Stephen King sanctioned 1997 mini series of The Shining, right? Very true to the book, pretty terrible and inferior to the Kubrick version in many ways. You mentioned wanting to see a faithful adaptation, so I was curious.
The mini series has issues including budget and the censorship that comes with the fact it was made for network tv. Another problem is King who wrote the script wasn't the same man who sat down and wrote the book and also it is a damn hard book to adapt. It is full of flash backs and a lot of internal struggles that would be hard to capture in a movie or tv mini series.
i thought this film (when i finally saw it) was.... hokey. not even "camp", not even in the fun way. just.... hokey. it made me make a ridiculous face through most of it. they didn't explore most of the good shit, they went WAY too hard on the "don't get killed by the abusive and terrible father" element of it. and not for the reasons, it turns out, he gets to be that way in the actual source material.
i just found it to be an annoying snooze fest.
You forgot it has one of the stupidest endings imagine and who know that there a mass of Kubrick fans that will tell you it's really brilliant and then five you a four hour lecture about how wrong you are and the meaning of the ending. They would never admit it is a shit ending.
Hoo boy.
The first couple times I saw this I was young and impressionable and I let myself be caught up in the hype. But I rewatched it (third time, at least) just a couple of weeks ago and I honestly can't see where the hype comes from. I googled if nobody else had the same problems with it but all I could find were people talking about the wife's acting (which I found MUCH better than Jack Nicholson's) and her face (if this is your 'criticism', you are nothing. Did you look at Nicholson? Did the quality of *his* performance hinge on whether or not you wanted to f*ck him?). Also people keep saying that it's a bad adaptation but a good movie in its own right.
I haven't read the source material, I judge it on my understanding of good filmmaking.
So here's my very personal opinion you are welcome to disagree with:
The cinematography is dull and flat. Yes there is that famous camera axis thing in the bathroom scene. That was kind of interesting but it's honestly not that special. Even the famous bloody elevator scene is shot like they just put that camera _anywhere_ on set and started rolling.
The music was way over the top and it killed any potential subtlety in Jack's mental decline which starts way too early and way too strong. He starts at 10 and manages to up it to a weak 11.
Nicholson's acting is *terrible*. He looks like he's in one of those 90s live-action disney remakes where the actors tried to move like their cartoon counterparts. _Jim Carrey_ does a more subtle and nuanced Jack Nicholson.
The plot seemed like the stuff that stuck to the wall in no particular order and then it's over. Maybe unlike everything else in the movie it's too subtle for me but this was my third rewatch and I wanted to like it.
Best thing I can say:
The scene where the kid is driving on the carpet has cool sound design.
Putting the book aside I could never figure out the point of the elevator scene and than there's Jack. He comes off like a man looking for reason to murder his family from the beginning. And while Kubrick pulls of a few cool tricks Danny riding his three wheeler the whole going into the maze, it is still cold and detached. You can never real care if anyone lives or dies.
I think The Shining is the single most overrated horror movie of all time. It honestly feels like people glorify portions of it to justify other people's opinions of it.
It isn't really scary. And like many of Kubrick's films it is cold and detached so they all could drop dead and you won't care. His style did not work for horror.
Not only a window, but a mode. He drove the snow cat there!