"Fuck the Empire" is Metal, for sure. But its just a middle finger to authority. "Fight the Empire" is 1000x more controversial because its a direct call to rebellion.
that scene got me teared up, it was compelling as hell. while the outtake sounds hilarious, I think keeping her 'f*ck' take wouldn't have made me so emotional so much as getting distracted by that and think "did she just say f*ck in a disney star wars ip?"
I don't think it's valid to think that would be weird "in a Disney Star Wars IP", because it would be weird in Star Wars in general. The f-word has never been in a single piece of Star Wars media, before and after the Disney acquisition, and the word doesn't even exist in the universe.
@@palpatinesboi9549 How do you know it doesn't exist? How about onanist? Just because you've never heard it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. On saying that, I prefer 'Fight the empire!'. It works really well
Variety does a marvelous job of bringing us the brilliance of Tony Gilroy as showrunner on Andor. It's telling that Gilroy eschews storyboards in favor of compelling his director and DP to previsualize the sequences using their iphones, and then putting together a rough cut and editing it down tight to the point that when the actual shooting begins, they hit all the beats on set. There's an enormous gulf in terms of quality between Gilroy's showrunning of Andor and Robert Rodriguez' showrunning of The Book of Boba Fett. Rodriguez, who lives and dies by storyboards, seems to pretty much have phoned in his leadership of that show, and the result speaks for itself. I'm tremendously excited to see Season Two of Andor when it hits the streams!
Andor is by far the best written star wars property out there BY A MILE but I don't know if what effect dropping the F-bomb would achieve. It's almost like the show is better than that. HOWEVER, that for sure could have worked.
I think the people, Disney included who are squeamish about the use of the F-word are the people who, like Maarva were relatively comfortable and willing to look the other way as things got as bad as they could get on Ferrix. I’m sure people who were worse off, like the prisoners on Narkina 5, being used for slave labor day in and day out would’ve use that word without hesitation. It took Maarva being out of time and at the end of her life, burdened by all her regrets to decide that it was appropriate to use that word. It should have been left in. It was wholly appropriate. I think that it’s indicative of some of the problems in this country 🇺🇸 even in this world, where the people who have influential voices, are squeamish about using strong language and are trying to be respectable in the face of some of the most atrocious things we all see going on. If you don’t want to say the words and call sh!t out for what it really is, I think it’s because it really hasn’t inconvenienced you that much, for now.
"Fuck the empire" is something Maarva might well have said in that scene where she refuses to go away with Andor, when she's made up her mind to stay and fight in any way she can. But when, as a Daughter of Ferrix, she needs a word that cannot be misinterpreted as merely frustration or contempt, she needs a definite, unmistakable call to action verb. "Fight" is the word she wanted.
That was a fab vid - thank you Variety for sharing. Andor was/is a fabulous piece of TV, and the fact that it happens to be in the Star Wars universe is even better.
It's good that it was changed. It would have been very out of place and taken me right out of the moment. Plus, you wouldn't hear anyone in Lord Of The Rings say "fuck Sauron" because that's not in keeping with the vibe of the universe Tolkien created. The same applies to Star Wars. Andor already teeters on the edge of going to far away from Lucas' morality play foundation. That would have sent it tumbling right over.
I think it could’ve worked in this context, but I’m also not disappointed they cut it. If there had to be one f bomb anywhere in Star Wars I would’ve picked this scene
@@outlanderfrog those words fly under the PG rating. The f-bomb is considered much more crass and rude and garners R-rating with repeated use. I was very surprised that GOTG3 got away with their use of it for PG-13, but we all know the standards of polite society are changing each passing year. 🤷🏻♀️
Haha! That would’ve been amazing, but idk, maybe the F Bomb would’ve sucked the emotion out of the scene a bit. Andor is a 10/10, from the writing to the acting to the cinematography, it’s my favorite Star Wars related anything. So excited for season 2.
I was saying it when I watched it! I knew The Battle of Algiers had to be a major inspiration for the show! Pretty subversive, being this is a Disney property
Hmm - this is an interesting one. "Fuck the Empire!" is a statement of frustration ... If I say "Fuck the Tories!" - it's free speech. Democracy in action. If I say "Fight the Tories!" (clearly meaning violence) - then it's an act of insurrection, which could easily be deemed as treason. In other words, I don't thing he would have bothered kicking B2EMO over if she had said "fuck the empire" She said "fight the empire" ... and that's just not allowed!
Absolutely. "Fuck the Empire" is not a call to action...it's an expression of frustration as you said. Or it could even mean "Ignore the Empire!" or "I don't care about the Empire!" "Fight!" is a definite call to action. It might not mean violence _per se,_ but it's a definite call to resistance in whatever way is possible.
Rare case where Disney made the right call. Not because a Star Wars show can’t say a swear, but because it would’ve taken you out of the scene, and wouldn’t have had the same impact. “Fight the Empire” is a call to action
Is it me or does Benjamin Carin looks like Ewan McGregor in this interview? If you told me the Obi-Wan show was bad because the real character left Tatooine to go direct some episodes for Andor, I'd buy it.
Think they should have kept it Fuck. Like that would have been as badass as 'Assimilate This' in First Contact. Plus, the Pre-Mor Sergeant Linus already said 'shit' under his breath back in episode 2 or 3 anyways. "Fight" is certainly much more PC, but 'Fuck' would have been so epic it literally would have resonated across the galaxy.
having said that.... I can see why Disney has to be Disney and want to make sure Star Wars is safe for the kids... but then maybe they could have made their own 'FRACK' like with Battlestar Galactica?
Off topic but the Making a Scene graphic should have been displayed as Tony was introducing it imo it seems redundant to have it display and then again reintroduced especially for a short video.
@@theophilus333 There were some great moments, but overall a very bland experience. Andor is just as empty of a character as Rey, and for a show that only takes place 5 years before A New Hope its is aesthetically and tonally completely out of place.
@@cornhub8823 Bland? I think the last 10 years of Star Wars (aside from the animations) have been nothing but bland. They just don't appeal to the eye and nostalgia with lightsabers and cameos from the original trilogy.
@@cornhub8823 How can you say it's bland when you can go on TH-cam and find hundreds of extremely well-made videos deconstructing its themes and political analysis? Andor is one of the richest texts in Star Wars media with nothing even comparable in the Disney era. I'd even argue it's better than even the original trilogy
George would’ve never approved the use of the F bomb, so I’m glad they didn’t use it. However, I won’t disagree that “fuck the empire” would’ve been inspiring and it would’ve worked very well.
I'm just amazed Disney allowed such a great show to actually get made, sure her saying fuck would have been better but if that was the extent of Disney's meddling with the IP it would be amazing...
After finding this out, months ago, it immediately decreased the value of the scene... the "Fuck" should have stayed in there. Now it seem like The Empire's honour was defended somehow. And I'm not in the business of defending "the ends justify the means" kinds of organizations. Andor is the best that Star Wars has ever been. No expectations needed to be "subverted". And maybe I'm wrong but the original plan for way more seasons seems like a brilliant idea after seeing the first one.
Star Wars is a science fiction universe with an Empire, rebels, emperor, republic, jedis, Siths, etc. Beyond that anything else can fit, gory violence, swearing, nudity, etc as long as the story is good.
Its a beautiful word that carries the weight of your intention better then almost any other. When used constantly it loses all meaning and energy but when used in the right way it can go beyond the understanding of a words meaning and all you have left is the feeling behind it. All words have this power but this one has it even more because it is understood by all and it has a barb that sticks into the psyche because most were taught that it was forbidden as children.
The same way they know the rest of our language. 😂 It’s not like Star Wars has its own alternatives, and there’s at least ‘damn’ and ‘hell’ in Star Wars; I’m pretty sure Han says ‘Ah hell’ in the original trilogy. It’s really not a big leap.
Your reaction to the word is exactly why it carries weight. Words have no inherent "weight" - people place that weight upon them. And as time moves on and cultures evolve, people shed the sillier aspects like the "weight" a word carries. That's the reason why you (hopefully) don't lose your shit (lol) when someone uses the words "damn" or "blast" today.
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"Fuck the Empire" is Metal, for sure. But its just a middle finger to authority. "Fight the Empire" is 1000x more controversial because its a direct call to rebellion.
Very well put, agreed.
Yes, absolutely.
Big agree
that scene got me teared up, it was compelling as hell. while the outtake sounds hilarious, I think keeping her 'f*ck' take wouldn't have made me so emotional so much as getting distracted by that and think "did she just say f*ck in a disney star wars ip?"
I don't think it's valid to think that would be weird "in a Disney Star Wars IP", because it would be weird in Star Wars in general. The f-word has never been in a single piece of Star Wars media, before and after the Disney acquisition, and the word doesn't even exist in the universe.
@@palpatinesboi9549 How do you know it doesn't exist? How about onanist? Just because you've never heard it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
On saying that, I prefer 'Fight the empire!'. It works really well
This is exactly the sort of deep dive I've wanted since the show first aired! Now if only I could get this for every other scene too.
Tony Gilroy has shown up on a lot of podcasts when the show was airing. Talked about a lot of stuff. You should search some up. Good stuff!
Variety does a marvelous job of bringing us the brilliance of Tony Gilroy as showrunner on Andor. It's telling that Gilroy eschews storyboards in favor of compelling his director and DP to previsualize the sequences using their iphones, and then putting together a rough cut and editing it down tight to the point that when the actual shooting begins, they hit all the beats on set. There's an enormous gulf in terms of quality between Gilroy's showrunning of Andor and Robert Rodriguez' showrunning of The Book of Boba Fett. Rodriguez, who lives and dies by storyboards, seems to pretty much have phoned in his leadership of that show, and the result speaks for itself. I'm tremendously excited to see Season Two of Andor when it hits the streams!
Andor is by far the best written star wars property out there BY A MILE but I don't know if what effect dropping the F-bomb would achieve. It's almost like the show is better than that. HOWEVER, that for sure could have worked.
It was probably better without, but if any character could’ve dropped an f bomb without it feeling out of place it would be Maarva
Poodoo, E chu ta, Sleemo are that galaxy's swear words.
I think the people, Disney included who are squeamish about the use of the F-word are the people who, like Maarva were relatively comfortable and willing to look the other way as things got as bad as they could get on Ferrix. I’m sure people who were worse off, like the prisoners on Narkina 5, being used for slave labor day in and day out would’ve use that word without hesitation. It took Maarva being out of time and at the end of her life, burdened by all her regrets to decide that it was appropriate to use that word. It should have been left in. It was wholly appropriate. I think that it’s indicative of some of the problems in this country 🇺🇸 even in this world, where the people who have influential voices, are squeamish about using strong language and are trying to be respectable in the face of some of the most atrocious things we all see going on. If you don’t want to say the words and call sh!t out for what it really is, I think it’s because it really hasn’t inconvenienced you that much, for now.
Without question Andor reignited the fire of Star Wars in ways the films of the past few decades haven't been able to.
"Fuck the empire" is something Maarva might well have said in that scene where she refuses to go away with Andor, when she's made up her mind to stay and fight in any way she can.
But when, as a Daughter of Ferrix, she needs a word that cannot be misinterpreted as merely frustration or contempt, she needs a definite, unmistakable call to action verb. "Fight" is the word she wanted.
This show is so good and Fiona's delivery so amazing that she could say anything and would still be awesome.
Glad Variety put this out. I'm curious about the lack of any special features for this series on Disney+.
This show is just way too good. It actually has something unique to contribute.
I like the version we got. I feel like adding the f-bomb would have been distracting and unnecessary.
My guy wrote a legal brief ... he was not playing around.
That was a fab vid - thank you Variety for sharing. Andor was/is a fabulous piece of TV, and the fact that it happens to be in the Star Wars universe is even better.
I had a feeling she was gonna say “Fuck the Empire” before even hearing that’s how they originally conceived it lol.
It's good that it was changed. It would have been very out of place and taken me right out of the moment. Plus, you wouldn't hear anyone in Lord Of The Rings say "fuck Sauron" because that's not in keeping with the vibe of the universe Tolkien created. The same applies to Star Wars. Andor already teeters on the edge of going to far away from Lucas' morality play foundation. That would have sent it tumbling right over.
I think it could’ve worked in this context, but I’m also not disappointed they cut it. If there had to be one f bomb anywhere in Star Wars I would’ve picked this scene
I mean, they say hell and damn in Star Wars. It's not THAT far out of place.
@@outlanderfrog does anyone really consider those swears though?
@@soondslash Sadly, yes. 😆 But it's much more rare of an opinion than it used to be.
@@outlanderfrog those words fly under the PG rating. The f-bomb is considered much more crass and rude and garners R-rating with repeated use. I was very surprised that GOTG3 got away with their use of it for PG-13, but we all know the standards of polite society are changing each passing year. 🤷🏻♀️
It was brilliant and i was so surprised, but it was needed😂😍🇬🇧
Best Star Wars series so far! The cast is great! Looking forward for the 2nd season 👏
This is good, film making, blocking, production stuff, and coordination of the different departments working together. I love this stuff😁📸🎬
ANDOR is THE show TO pay attention to.
Haha! That would’ve been amazing, but idk, maybe the F Bomb would’ve sucked the emotion out of the scene a bit.
Andor is a 10/10, from the writing to the acting to the cinematography, it’s my favorite Star Wars related anything. So excited for season 2.
The best Star Wars has been in a while.
I was saying it when I watched it! I knew The Battle of Algiers had to be a major inspiration for the show! Pretty subversive, being this is a Disney property
Hmm - this is an interesting one.
"Fuck the Empire!" is a statement of frustration ...
If I say "Fuck the Tories!" - it's free speech. Democracy in action.
If I say "Fight the Tories!" (clearly meaning violence) - then it's an act of insurrection, which could easily be deemed as treason.
In other words, I don't thing he would have bothered kicking B2EMO over if she had said "fuck the empire"
She said "fight the empire" ... and that's just not allowed!
Absolutely. "Fuck the Empire" is not a call to action...it's an expression of frustration as you said. Or it could even mean "Ignore the Empire!" or "I don't care about the Empire!"
"Fight!" is a definite call to action. It might not mean violence _per se,_ but it's a definite call to resistance in whatever way is possible.
Idk how I feel about the idea of an F bomb in SW but, imagine if the line was actually kept. We would've all jump out of our seats.
4:40 amazimg ost by mr nicholas
Loved this scene…I wouldn’t want it any other way
Honestly, fight works better. It made me emotional. Dropping the f-bomb would have made it funny which could work but I prefer it as is.
Rare case where Disney made the right call. Not because a Star Wars show can’t say a swear, but because it would’ve taken you out of the scene, and wouldn’t have had the same impact. “Fight the Empire” is a call to action
Awww auntie potter fiona shaw
What a wonderful job these guys did ❤❤❤
The show is so great; the line would have worked either way.
Is it me or does Benjamin Carin looks like Ewan McGregor in this interview? If you told me the Obi-Wan show was bad because the real character left Tatooine to go direct some episodes for Andor, I'd buy it.
Think they should have kept it Fuck. Like that would have been as badass as 'Assimilate This' in First Contact. Plus, the Pre-Mor Sergeant Linus already said 'shit' under his breath back in episode 2 or 3 anyways.
"Fight" is certainly much more PC, but 'Fuck' would have been so epic it literally would have resonated across the galaxy.
having said that.... I can see why Disney has to be Disney and want to make sure Star Wars is safe for the kids... but then maybe they could have made their own 'FRACK' like with Battlestar Galactica?
Off topic but the Making a Scene graphic should have been displayed as Tony was introducing it imo it seems redundant to have it display and then again reintroduced especially for a short video.
I'm glad they didn't have her say "fuck the empire", it would have felt very out of place in Star Wars
The whole show felt out of place tbh
@@cornhub8823 Because of how good it was, right?
@@theophilus333 There were some great moments, but overall a very bland experience. Andor is just as empty of a character as Rey, and for a show that only takes place 5 years before A New Hope its is aesthetically and tonally completely out of place.
@@cornhub8823 Bland? I think the last 10 years of Star Wars (aside from the animations) have been nothing but bland.
They just don't appeal to the eye and nostalgia with lightsabers and cameos from the original trilogy.
@@cornhub8823 How can you say it's bland when you can go on TH-cam and find hundreds of extremely well-made videos deconstructing its themes and political analysis? Andor is one of the richest texts in Star Wars media with nothing even comparable in the Disney era. I'd even argue it's better than even the original trilogy
George would’ve never approved the use of the F bomb, so I’m glad they didn’t use it. However, I won’t disagree that “fuck the empire” would’ve been inspiring and it would’ve worked very well.
I thought it was in The Mandalorian with one of the little Anzellans told Grogu, "No squeezie, bad baby, I'm outta here MFers" 🤣
I'm just amazed Disney allowed such a great show to actually get made, sure her saying fuck would have been better but if that was the extent of Disney's meddling with the IP it would be amazing...
Lmao 11:50 "presented by HBO/Max" in a video about non kid-friendly TV material that didnt make it to Disney+ 😅
And years later, GOTG 3 drop the F-Bomb.
After finding this out, months ago, it immediately decreased the value of the scene... the "Fuck" should have stayed in there. Now it seem like The Empire's honour was defended somehow. And I'm not in the business of defending "the ends justify the means" kinds of organizations.
Andor is the best that Star Wars has ever been. No expectations needed to be "subverted". And maybe I'm wrong but the original plan for way more seasons seems like a brilliant idea after seeing the first one.
I heard fight. Anyone else?
She should have said "death to the false emperor"
I'm glad they didn't do the F bomb
I'm kind of glad they didn't go with this
Bet CCH Pounder wishes she'd taken this part now...
PEAK
Strange things in star wars that made me go ...what?
Andor: Fuck the empire
Kenobi: *chase scene*
Mando: Lizzo and Jack Black
It’s cool guardians 3 got away with it tho
It might have made the show interesting.
Disney dropped the ball… once again. Smh what a missed memorable opportunity.
I really missed the f bomb
There is no F...k in Star Wars. You can say 'blast it', you can say 'Bantha diddle', etc.
Star Wars is a science fiction universe with an Empire, rebels, emperor, republic, jedis, Siths, etc. Beyond that anything else can fit, gory violence, swearing, nudity, etc as long as the story is good.
@@enriqueguang9843 Nope, they have their own culture outside of Latin.
Can’t Variety afford proper mics?
Star Wars doesn't need to get trashy.
Thank you for not saying it. It was not necessary. Keep it as teen-friendly as possible, please.
Teens swear.
No offense but I am glad Disney turned them down. I could never see George Lucas doing that so I am glad Disney stuck with their guns.
Terrible idea, would totally take me out of it.
I'll never get why such an ugly, unimaginative, impotent word carries such weight in American cinema. The very opposite of gravitas.
Its a beautiful word that carries the weight of your intention better then almost any other. When used constantly it loses all meaning and energy but when used in the right way it can go beyond the understanding of a words meaning and all you have left is the feeling behind it. All words have this power but this one has it even more because it is understood by all and it has a barb that sticks into the psyche because most were taught that it was forbidden as children.
@@ericcoats7234 100%
How would people in a far far away galaxy know the word f""K? I agree with the change.
The same way they know the rest of our language. 😂 It’s not like Star Wars has its own alternatives, and there’s at least ‘damn’ and ‘hell’ in Star Wars; I’m pretty sure Han says ‘Ah hell’ in the original trilogy. It’s really not a big leap.
This scene took me out of the immersion. Juvenile nonsense.
It didn't take you out because it wasn't in the show. The f bomb got cut.
Worst Star Wars show by far
Age kid. Enjoy your nonsense dull products.
😂 The BEST Star Wars media since 1990
@@nicolasrodriguesdossantos1881 nah
Boba Fett and Obi-Wan exist.
bait used to be believable 😔
tony gilroy is daddy
I'll never get why such an ugly, unimaginative, impotent word carries such weight in American cinema. The very opposite of gravitas.
I’ll never get why Savannah M. Laurentian sounds like such a fucking perfect name to leave such snobbishly pretentious comment, ooh by the way
Fuck
Your reaction to the word is exactly why it carries weight. Words have no inherent "weight" - people place that weight upon them. And as time moves on and cultures evolve, people shed the sillier aspects like the "weight" a word carries. That's the reason why you (hopefully) don't lose your shit (lol) when someone uses the words "damn" or "blast" today.