ALSO! I don’t know if anyone mentioned this, but the “ensemble” are actually Odysseus’ men whenever he sings. When a mortal is singing the voices MUST exist in-universe. But gods can create their own background vocals.
I think technically, for this song, it's Zeus's godly ensemble since Zeus is still spurring Odysseus to handle the infant. The way Gigi animated it is that Odysseus is alone until he goes outside to drop the infant, so how would his soldiers be accompanying him before then? It's definitely unclear based on my current knowledge but still fun to think about lol
@@nutelasaur9453 Remember the animatics aren't canon. You can only fully analyze based on the songs themselves and what Jorge has said. To explain the vocals kicking it, it shows Odysseus walking outside. When he was inside he was alone, so no backing. When he walked outside and approached the area where his men were the backing kicked in. Zeus isn't musically in this song, and the backing vocals are consistent with it being Odysseus' men rather than the chorus Zeus was summoning in the previous song.
Spoilers for Thunder Saga . . . . . . . . . . . And that's why "Scylla" starts with her singing "Deep down" over and over, which she continues throughout the song. That's also why in "Monster" Ody sings "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves, and deep down I know this well."
😂 yada yada I mean that's how Britian glosses over like half modern history ngl like yea and we invaded dis and dat Yada yada nothing happened there the people didn't resist and die nope
(Probably not at all) Fun fact: The child's mother gets to watch him become a red stain on the ground, even though it wasn't included in the animatic :D
I can't remember whose does - but there is an animatic where you can see Helen jerk in a soldier's arm trying to rush to the wall as she sees him approaching it with her baby. Edit: it's WolfytheWitch's animatic. And mircsy actually shows the baby being let go of.
In most Greek stories, Neo is the one who killed the baby on Odysseus' orders by clubbing King Priam to death with his own infant grandson's body, then took Hector's wife as his "war trophy" (all the Trojan women were assaulted and taken as concubines by the men) and took Hector's brother as a slave since, as a prophet, he was too valuable to kill like all the other brothers. They got the last laugh though: Neo gets killed, his own wife taken, Hector's wife marries the brother, and they are given half of his kingdom. Seriously, what happens to the Trojans after the war makes you think the Greeks were the bad guys. Do yourself a favor and DO NOT look up what happened to Hector's sister Cassandra. That messed me up in mythology class.
Fun fact: If you hear background vocals without a god present, they have to come from somewhere. If there is a god present they can break the rules of diagetic music and create their own background vocals. In this song Odysseus was all alone during that singing but as he walked the infant towards the outside closer to his men down below the background vocals kicked in
fun fact. That babys name is Astyanax. In the Illiad, some other dude tosses the baby and in the Iliupersis, Odysseus kills it. Both epics come from the same time so both are valid ideas
@@JenniferGlatzhofer I hate to say this, that only applies to the original Odyssey. The creator of Epic has confirmed that Odysseus dropped the baby. Especially since it's a present worry/problem Odysseus has
@@bradleybarnett1469yeah, but it’s ambiguous in the musical tracks, and not confirmed one way or another in the lyrics until much later-casual listeners or first time viewers don’t have the advantage of author’s notes! Staging will make a huge difference and that’ll be an interpretation choice by directors if/when it makes it to stage- and I keep going back and forth as to whether I prefer it ambiguous until you-know-when, or whether I like it better being confirmed at this point in the story. It’s a really fascinating artistic/storytelling question!
Unless you know about the Trojan war already. I knew from the first listen that Astyanax was destined to die. The baby dies in every telling of the Trojan war.
@@liminalpsych I'd prefer it to be staged as ambiguous, it adds a dynamic layer to the songs he signs where character's try and influence his thoughts (Arms Wide Open/Goodbye/Ruthlessness etc) since you don't know where he actually falls at his core. And the byline of the musical "when does a man become a monster?" holds more 'oomph' if you spend the first half of the musical arguing with yourself that, "no way he killed that kid. Our Captain wouldn't!"
So, quick facts- First, all Mortal characters have to have their choruses exist diagetically. Gods can summon their own choruses. Even monsters can't do that, far as I know. In this song, the Greek army is singing the chorus. And they're singing it because they just lied, tricked their way into Troy, and murdered the city under the cover of night. Most of the soldiers likely died in bed, or scrambling to get shields and spears. And now they're burning the city, while many won't even understand what is happening. THEY want to know when THEY become monsters, too.
Something great in Epic is that the ensemble is diegetic. When a "mortal" sings, any other voices that join them are actually present - like the chorus behind Odysseus being his soldiers. Meanwhile, when a _god_ sings, they use their divine power to give themselves vocal backing.
Not necessarily implied (Jorge Rivera himself, in the recap before the Underworld Saga came out, said it was ambiguous and not clear). As the comment before mine said, it has been confirmed by the end of Act 1.
Fun epic background note... The backup singing is always diagetic unless the main singer is a god or very magic person. This means that the backup singers at the end jere are his soldiers witnessing him kill the baby.
MOOOORE! More epic reactors rise up! If i may suggest another musical, it would be great to see analysis of songs from Hadestown. Some amazing harmonies and voices in that one
Jennifer! Epic continues and another cliff hanger! Oh boy ... does he go through with it? Let's ask Sarah. 😁 Or watch your next video. One good thing about getting behind with this one is I can watch one chapter after the next ... I don't have to wait to see! Great story telling in this one and the diction is on point isn't it! Awesome reaction and analysis as always Jen.
Aaayyyee, not only is this song gorgeous, but it's also just one big flex on Jorge's part (vocal-wise) We get a good glimpse at what his voice'll be making us feel throughout the musical, lol
While a few Animatics are better than Gigi's versions all of Gigi's are solid. I do recommend watching as many of Gigi's as possible as they tend to have a few call back images throughout. Yes... be prepared to get punched in the heart a plenty... you've already hit one of the hardest ones with Poly/Survive (imo at least). Sometimes they're good punches though... sad but also... uplifting. Oh Fun fact: That bed made from/in trees? 100% canon to the Iliad, Ody made it (I'm pretty sure *he* made it) to symbolize the permanence and stability of their vows.
@JenniferGlatzhofer Hi Jen I don't know if you noticed but Nightwish dropped new music just three days ago It is a song called "Perfume Of The Timless" and is a great music video I think that you will love it 😉
Ah yes Just a Man and this animatic of it. We would like to officially welcome you to the EPIC fandom. Get some tissues because oh boy they will be needed.
Just saying. Imagine this without the animatics. When it came out (all those years ago... I cant belive its already been multiple years (I was there from the beginning) Damn...) I was listening without any knowledge beside the lyrics, i was listening to it for half a year, wondering whether or not he killed the baby. Drew my own animatic, (on paper) but couldt finish it, because I didnt know whether or not he killed him... It was very frustrating! Cause it could go both ways. "Forgive me" could be to Zeus cause he cant do it. Or it could be because he did it... Well now we know...
The official release of The Troy Saga was, like, two years ago. If you mean the snippets posted by Jorge on TikTok, I can give you that, but the official release of the concept album only came out two years ago
I like your reaction, next please react " Without You" (Marriah carey) cover by Vanny Vabiola from Indonesia. Vanny has a angelic voice, very beautiful clear clean smooth and melodic voice, super powerful. Thanks so much
she’s a vocal teacher right? What would you suggest she have researched here? I’d also be curious to know what exactly you would have To be honest I have one vocal teacher I stopped watching (Hannah) for THAT exact specific reason but she was being extremely annoying and careless to the point of deliberate ignorant laziness and then was proceeding to comment more on the plot than the music which was her expertise, and so I found it bad to the point I stopped watching… I’m not seeing anything like that here. Like, I can see what you mean I think cause maybe she could have talked more about the plot or musical with more knowledge about the plot possibly and like knowing Jorge was Odysseus, but I’m curious if I’m missing anything and don’t want to make assumptions. And I think she prefers to keep it a genuine first reaction so it would be difficult to navigate the spoilers plot wise and musical wise in general… if she wants to keep that vibe if she digs into it too much.
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ONE OF US ONE OF US
GOOBLE GOBBLE GOOBLE GOBBLE
When does Casper become a Monster?
ONE OF US ONE OF US
ONE OF US ONE OF US ONE US
ONE OF US
ONE OF US
ONE OF US
Her: What happens now?
... Baby Pancake...
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Heyyy! Thats not his title ehem 🥸
@@PromethealBee what would you call a baby dropped from a wall? Lol
@@bradleybarnett1469 mic drop 👊💥
@@PromethealBee LMAOOO
ALSO! I don’t know if anyone mentioned this, but the “ensemble” are actually Odysseus’ men whenever he sings. When a mortal is singing the voices MUST exist in-universe. But gods can create their own background vocals.
I think technically, for this song, it's Zeus's godly ensemble since Zeus is still spurring Odysseus to handle the infant. The way Gigi animated it is that Odysseus is alone until he goes outside to drop the infant, so how would his soldiers be accompanying him before then? It's definitely unclear based on my current knowledge but still fun to think about lol
@@nutelasaur9453 Remember the animatics aren't canon. You can only fully analyze based on the songs themselves and what Jorge has said.
To explain the vocals kicking it, it shows Odysseus walking outside. When he was inside he was alone, so no backing. When he walked outside and approached the area where his men were the backing kicked in.
Zeus isn't musically in this song, and the backing vocals are consistent with it being Odysseus' men rather than the chorus Zeus was summoning in the previous song.
@@feistsorcerer2251 that does also make sense, yeah
@@nutelasaur9453 I mean the men could also be singing the same thing realizing what had to be done.
Odysseus saying the quiet part right in front of us: "Deep down, I would trade THE WORLD to see my son and wife."
He knew, he knew from the start.
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And that's why "Scylla" starts with her singing "Deep down" over and over, which she continues throughout the song. That's also why in "Monster" Ody sings "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves, and deep down I know this well."
It is indeed Jorge. He voices Odysseus (and a few other characters later).
Amazing!
@@JenniferGlatzhoferwhat happened was he dropped the baby from the wall and it die. It was an action that would haunt him for the rest of his life.
my greek teacher when telling us about the trojan war: also, they threw the baby of hector from the city wall, anyways.
😂 yada yada
I mean that's how Britian glosses over like half modern history ngl like yea and we invaded dis and dat
Yada yada nothing happened there the people didn't resist and die nope
(Probably not at all) Fun fact: The child's mother gets to watch him become a red stain on the ground, even though it wasn't included in the animatic :D
I can't remember whose does - but there is an animatic where you can see Helen jerk in a soldier's arm trying to rush to the wall as she sees him approaching it with her baby.
Edit: it's WolfytheWitch's animatic. And mircsy actually shows the baby being let go of.
@@oops3828It's Andromache son. Not Helen's.
@@James--Parker good to know - thank you!
Well this made this so much more depressing….😭 honestly I forgot that they had the mother hostage so it make sense ugh 😭😅
In most Greek stories, Neo is the one who killed the baby on Odysseus' orders by clubbing King Priam to death with his own infant grandson's body, then took Hector's wife as his "war trophy" (all the Trojan women were assaulted and taken as concubines by the men) and took Hector's brother as a slave since, as a prophet, he was too valuable to kill like all the other brothers. They got the last laugh though: Neo gets killed, his own wife taken, Hector's wife marries the brother, and they are given half of his kingdom.
Seriously, what happens to the Trojans after the war makes you think the Greeks were the bad guys. Do yourself a favor and DO NOT look up what happened to Hector's sister Cassandra. That messed me up in mythology class.
You:
Infanticide? *I sleep* 😌
Ensemble? *REAL SHIT!* 🤩
This aint about the baby 😍, its all about the ensembles~~~
Fun fact: If you hear background vocals without a god present, they have to come from somewhere. If there is a god present they can break the rules of diagetic music and create their own background vocals.
In this song Odysseus was all alone during that singing but as he walked the infant towards the outside closer to his men down below the background vocals kicked in
fun fact. That babys name is Astyanax. In the Illiad, some other dude tosses the baby and in the Iliupersis, Odysseus kills it. Both epics come from the same time so both are valid ideas
Neoptolemus in the Illiad iirc, Achilles' kid. Uses his corpse as a makeshift club to beat Priam to death too. Dude was unhinged
The Iliad ends when Hector dies
Fun fact: when the dude threw the baby he got convinced by Odysseus so…
In case you're confused, because the next songs don't say it directly, Odysseus does kill the baby
I LOVE how the play leaves it ambiguous if he threw the Infant or not... It's great, and it makes the end of Act 1 SO MUCH BETTER!
Ooh!
@@JenniferGlatzhofer I hate to say this, that only applies to the original Odyssey. The creator of Epic has confirmed that Odysseus dropped the baby. Especially since it's a present worry/problem Odysseus has
@@bradleybarnett1469yeah, but it’s ambiguous in the musical tracks, and not confirmed one way or another in the lyrics until much later-casual listeners or first time viewers don’t have the advantage of author’s notes! Staging will make a huge difference and that’ll be an interpretation choice by directors if/when it makes it to stage- and I keep going back and forth as to whether I prefer it ambiguous until you-know-when, or whether I like it better being confirmed at this point in the story. It’s a really fascinating artistic/storytelling question!
Unless you know about the Trojan war already. I knew from the first listen that Astyanax was destined to die.
The baby dies in every telling of the Trojan war.
@@liminalpsych I'd prefer it to be staged as ambiguous, it adds a dynamic layer to the songs he signs where character's try and influence his thoughts (Arms Wide Open/Goodbye/Ruthlessness etc) since you don't know where he actually falls at his core.
And the byline of the musical "when does a man become a monster?" holds more 'oomph' if you spend the first half of the musical arguing with yourself that, "no way he killed that kid. Our Captain wouldn't!"
So, quick facts-
First, all Mortal characters have to have their choruses exist diagetically. Gods can summon their own choruses. Even monsters can't do that, far as I know.
In this song, the Greek army is singing the chorus. And they're singing it because they just lied, tricked their way into Troy, and murdered the city under the cover of night. Most of the soldiers likely died in bed, or scrambling to get shields and spears. And now they're burning the city, while many won't even understand what is happening. THEY want to know when THEY become monsters, too.
Something great in Epic is that the ensemble is diegetic. When a "mortal" sings, any other voices that join them are actually present - like the chorus behind Odysseus being his soldiers. Meanwhile, when a _god_ sings, they use their divine power to give themselves vocal backing.
There is a bit of a jump in the next song. But yeah... it's implied he threw the baby off the wall.
No, it’s confirmed. In… another song…
SPOILERS
In monster, he says “if I have to drop ANOTHER infant from a wall so we all don’t die”. ‘Another’ means he did it.
Not necessarily implied (Jorge Rivera himself, in the recap before the Underworld Saga came out, said it was ambiguous and not clear). As the comment before mine said, it has been confirmed by the end of Act 1.
@@DetectiveWraith I know it's confirmed I'm saying the end of this song implies it though.
@@robertolanzone I guess it just didn't seem that ambiguous to me. I knew it was dead.
@@DetectiveWraith this story has existed for 4000 years💀wbk the baby was gonna die
I can't wait for the rest of this series, 😅. You're gonna become one of us
Hahah for sure!
Oh boy
Emotional distress :D
"What happens now?!"
Mashed potatoes
Fun epic background note... The backup singing is always diagetic unless the main singer is a god or very magic person. This means that the backup singers at the end jere are his soldiers witnessing him kill the baby.
MOOOORE! More epic reactors rise up!
If i may suggest another musical, it would be great to see analysis of songs from Hadestown. Some amazing harmonies and voices in that one
*dances*
And down will come baby, cradle and all!
i laughed way too hard at this 😭
Gotta love that "Nooo....." right off the bat
Jorge is the man who write EPIC and the voice of Odysseus he’s incredible❤️
AND the fandom has agreed he is the Apollo incarnate
Yes thats Jorgey borgey. Hes awesome!
Jennifer! Epic continues and another cliff hanger! Oh boy ... does he go through with it? Let's ask Sarah. 😁 Or watch your next video. One good thing about getting behind with this one is I can watch one chapter after the next ... I don't have to wait to see! Great story telling in this one and the diction is on point isn't it! Awesome reaction and analysis as always Jen.
Aaayyyee, not only is this song gorgeous, but it's also just one big flex on Jorge's part (vocal-wise)
We get a good glimpse at what his voice'll be making us feel throughout the musical, lol
*about to pause) BUT WHEN-
I love Jorge's voice so much!
YASSS I'm so excited to see your reaction to this! 💖
That was my favorite. But The Underworld saga came and gave us a title song. It's more heartbreaking
Alright at the 1:52 there is a small error in your edit that repeated for some odd reason, just wanted to point that out.
While a few Animatics are better than Gigi's versions all of Gigi's are solid. I do recommend watching as many of Gigi's as possible as they tend to have a few call back images throughout.
Yes... be prepared to get punched in the heart a plenty... you've already hit one of the hardest ones with Poly/Survive (imo at least). Sometimes they're good punches though... sad but also... uplifting.
Oh Fun fact: That bed made from/in trees? 100% canon to the Iliad, Ody made it (I'm pretty sure *he* made it) to symbolize the permanence and stability of their vows.
Every single time I hear this song, without fail, I tear up.
He yeetus the fetus.
Fun fact there are two different stories of this in one Odysseus does kill the baby the other Neo one of Odysseus men killed the baby
Thx for the reaction
The baby didnt die after falling. So he went down, grabbed the baby, climbed back up, then dropped it again.
@JenniferGlatzhofer
Hi Jen
I don't know if you noticed but Nightwish dropped new music just three days ago
It is a song called "Perfume Of The Timless" and is a great music video
I think that you will love it 😉
I can't wait for the next one!
Waiting for TH-cam version of the rest musical
Need me some Sydnie Christmas on here. Her audition of Tomorrow and My Way, semi-finals performances!!!! BGT 2024!!!!!!!
get some tissues,Jen
Ah yes Just a Man and this animatic of it. We would like to officially welcome you to the EPIC fandom. Get some tissues because oh boy they will be needed.
What happens now?
Bye bye baby.
This is not a spoiler, because it is not shown in the next song
Yes de Baby Was murdered
You should definitely listen to The Prodigy of Cardiology! It's from another musical written by Jorge and is ridiculously Lin-Manuel sounding
Great Video !
Just saying. Imagine this without the animatics. When it came out (all those years ago... I cant belive its already been multiple years (I was there from the beginning) Damn...) I was listening without any knowledge beside the lyrics, i was listening to it for half a year, wondering whether or not he killed the baby. Drew my own animatic, (on paper) but couldt finish it, because I didnt know whether or not he killed him...
It was very frustrating!
Cause it could go both ways. "Forgive me" could be to Zeus cause he cant do it. Or it could be because he did it...
Well now we know...
The official release of The Troy Saga was, like, two years ago. If you mean the snippets posted by Jorge on TikTok, I can give you that, but the official release of the concept album only came out two years ago
Really good singing!
MOREEEEEEEE
what every you do do not watch survive it will traumatize you for life
Excelente reacción felicidades por favor reaccióna a Ñusta picuasi.Diva Dance es fantástica 😃👍
Jennifer, there are like 40 songs, could be possible for you to do longer videos with more songs? 😢
I would love to see your reaction to new Falling in Reverse song called Ronald there is a lot great vocals to analyze❤
Next Reaction Dimas Senopati cover seize the day 👍👍
I need you to react to circe saga
How is your sister liking it?
When is the next video?
Jen reaction Dimas senopati sing song.. Heart _Alone. thanks jen.
Odysseus: "yeet the child" 💀
In 43 hours too long of a premiere T-T
I like your reaction, next please react " Without You" (Marriah carey) cover by Vanny Vabiola from Indonesia. Vanny has a angelic voice, very beautiful clear clean smooth and melodic voice, super powerful. Thanks so much
No dont stop at the coolest part. Maybe watch it first and do a second play
U need to react to Demi Lovato and Slash’s version of “Papa was a Rolling Stone”
A lil bit of research before some reactions would be great :)
Sometimes that can spoil the surprise parts of the reaction that people really like, though!
@@liminalpsych oh im not talking about plot
What are you talking about then?
she’s a vocal teacher right? What would you suggest she have researched here? I’d also be curious to know what exactly you would have
To be honest I have one vocal teacher I stopped watching (Hannah) for THAT exact specific reason but she was being extremely annoying and careless to the point of deliberate ignorant laziness and then was proceeding to comment more on the plot than the music which was her expertise, and so I found it bad to the point I stopped watching… I’m not seeing anything like that here.
Like, I can see what you mean I think cause maybe she could have talked more about the plot or musical with more knowledge about the plot possibly and like knowing Jorge was Odysseus, but I’m curious if I’m missing anything and don’t want to make assumptions. And I think she prefers to keep it a genuine first reaction so it would be difficult to navigate the spoilers plot wise and musical wise in general… if she wants to keep that vibe if she digs into it too much.
@@J.D.onthego @J.D.onthego tbh i was just really annoyed how many times she asked about the performer 😭