That is a SOUND idea! Seriously I think your idea for expiration dates for records remaining sealed is spot on. Great thinking! Thanks for contributing. ✌🏽 Steve
Here's an important tip: when purchasing resealable outers, make sure you get "seal on bag" as opposed to "seal on flap"... Seal on-flap will snag your record and leave you screaming, trust me 😖 You're right though, those thin cellophane Japanese style reseals are definitely the best quality to put on expensive records... They actually make older jackets look amazing and refreshed 💯👍 I also recommend changing them every few years just to be safe because all plastic breaks down eventually... 👍❤️ Cheers!
@@GreatBowlsAfire Absolutely great advice on the resealable outers! 👍🏽👍🏽 I also agree with you on changing them out every few years. It can be expensive but it’s worth it. Thank you for watching and sharing your great suggestions! 🫶🏽✌🏽💪🏽💪🏽
Some sealed records are worth having just for the fact that they're sealed and thus "add to" a collection of a favorite artist - preserving what the record was like new in a store. I have a few that are never intended to be played. But I agree - most sealed or bagged records should be opened and the vinyl properly cleaned (and rinsed free of any / all agents). Those HDPE sleeves should last many decades without causing any issues. The art framing world has dealt with outgassing issues for many decades. Some of the principles apply well to records. There was a purported run of MOFI sleeves that had problems some time ago, but most I've seen / have do not have fogging issues. I've kept records in VRP polyethylene audio sleeves I bought in the 70's and they are still clean and clear... pushing 50 years now!
@@Texeq He Texed. That great news. I’m glad to hear the HDPE are safe for a long time and that only a small run of MOFI sleeves caused defects. Thanks for sharing that useful information. We greatly appreciate your contribution. ✌🏽
I remember reading a thread on the Hoffman forums a few years ago discussing MoFi sleeves. I don't remember the time frame, but apparently MoFi had a huge batch of bad sleeves slip through. It affected both sleeves from record releases and the sleeves they sold separately. Perhaps your Rickie Lee Jones album was from that bad batch. I'd advise everyone to check all their MoFi releases, and every record where they might have used a MoFi replacement sleeve.
@@DetroitStars Great advice, DertroitStars. That’s great information and a wise suggestion to pass along to the viewers. I’m definitely going through all my mofi records both sealed and opened. Thank you for your knowledgeable contribution. ✌🏽 Steve
Thank you. I don’t know what else that film could have possibly been. It most definitely came off the inner sleeve. I’m just glad it wiped clean off and didn’t hurt the sound quality. Thank you for commenting and taking the time to watch our video. ✌🏽 Steve
All plastic off gas. Softer, bendable plastics off gas more than hard plastic. Polyethylene off gasses methane and ethylene. Both can be harmful. I haven't used MoFi's polyethylene sleeves, but I do use very similar ones. I also have paper polyethylene sleeves that are branded Realistic and were sold by Radio Shack, which I purchased in the 70s. Certain compound formulas react differently to each other. We will never know what chemicals make up every plastic. Companies say vinyl, PVC, polyethylene and the real mystery is when they just say "poly". I've been in the plastics and coatings industry for decades. I say if you doubt it, throw it out. How much are inner and outer sleeves? Cheap insurance! Worth it, even if it only makes us think we are safer.
Whenever someone gets indignant over someone else keeping their copy of a record sealed, what they are really saying is, "I am jealous yours is sealed and mine isn't, and I want yours to be lowered to the level of mine because I have a severe inferiority complex." And I am someone who frequently opens sealed vintage pressings (albeit, cheap titles). You have nothing to apologize for. I would just delete their comments. And that film does look like it is from that inner. I have seen a lot of records from the 80s that had similar plastic sleeves. And with the film mirroring the wrinkles like that. And yes, it always cleans off. Very happy to see this record survived. Time to check my records in MoFi inners, haha. I think moisture often triggers these sleeve breakdowns. But obviously this collection was not affected the same way throughout.
I’ve deleted more than a few comments. No need to entertain the haters and trolls. I haven’t the time for them. I do however make the time to respond to my friendly subscribers which there are many including you JWD! 👍🏽👍🏽 I love cracking open a sealed record from the 50s 60s 70s and 80s. Like you said JWD they aren’t value grails but they can be nonetheless great records from great artists with great music on them. And if they emerge unscathed there is nothing more rewarding than dropping the needle on them. 😁✌🏽
9:20 here you say "it hasn't has any oxygen...inside" yet there are two holes in the sleeve which to my thoughts would allow oxygen inside. Just my observation.
@@ganonkenobi You totally right about the air holes in the outer plastic sleeve. I should have been more specific. I do believe that when the outer plastic sleeve is completely opened up to excessive amount of oxygen/air and dust it promotes more chemical reactions. Thank you kindly for your great observation. I hope my explanation clears things up a little. Thank you for watching and commenting. ✌🏽 Steve
Note on number editions of records. When a record pressed it is shuffled around the plant ibetween inspections and packaging that there is no way to keep it in the order it was pressed. Your sleeve might say #5000 but it could possibly be the first one pressed. FYI
@@TheVinylRecordMission Not even. The cover is printed in another location without the number. The number is place on the cover before to is sealed. I worked in a pressing plant for a year. As they say "If you like hotdogs never work in a hotdog factory."
Research needs to be done to determine the environmental conditions that cause or accelerate the sleeve degradation. I suspect high indoor temperatures and high humidity is a factor. Also, I suspect pressure is bad, such as when a large stack of records are stored horizontally, or when a large group of records are stored vertically and leaning at an angle on a wide shelf.
@@DetroitStars I agree. Maybe a disclaimer like on canned foods that says “Store In Cool Dry Place. Keep Away From Heat” I can’t understand how people can care more about canned green beans than vinyl! What’s the world coming to 😂. All kidding aside you make some great points DetroitStars. Thanks for sharing. Your input is always helpful and appreciated.✌🏽
I always unseal mine. A pet peeve of mine are records that are warped. It would pain me to wonder if the record that was sealed was warped or had any other defect. I keep the shrink wrap on, but I do slice it open and take a peek. I actually do have OCD that was diagnosed so mine is in fact, a ‘mental illness.’ 👍🏼😂
We don’t judge here on The Vinyl Record Mission. 🫶🏽 Nothing but love. I think your system is fantastic! Safe is better than sorry. Enjoy your collection. Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts with us.✌🏽 Steve
I’m amazed that you would have so many sealed records. My record buying days go back to the early sixties and one thing i learned is to open and play a record right after buying it. Why? There was always a decent chance the record needed to be returned due to excessive surface noise, warpage, etc. Still true today. After a short time, returning one is not possible so you end up getting stuck with it. Of course I didn’t buy them as “investments”, so maybe that makes the difference in habits.
I often buy in bulk. Out of that bulk I pick what I’m going to keep, trade and sell. Over the years sealed records had a way of being set aside and building up. I’ve learned a hard lesson. I’m going to open everything. I’ve never been one who intentionally collects sealed records. I do see an investment quality in collecting vintage. It’s like saving money while being able to listen to it. One can’t listen to a savings account balance. Well kept record collections can almost always be sold or inherited by our children. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. ✌🏽 Steve
The hazing or ghosting is something that comic collectors have known about for decades. The cheaper bags and/or backer boards need to be replaced every so many years. Same goes for and type of bag/liner/etc
Very, very funny ! 😆 I didn't want to comment on your topic as I have a lot of sealed records. I have never had a problem when opening them, and I do get around to opening sealed stuff that I have. It's the weekend, and we're going to see my partner's band, The Blues Monsters, tonight at The Great Basin Brewery. ( They're online if you want to sample ) 🎵
I've also been able to remove 'ghosting' caused by off-gassing using microfibre cloth. Odd that this would happen with MOFI innersleeves, as I have 40+ year-old ECM pressings that don't have any traces of off-gassing. From ~'78 on WEA started pressing ECM releases in the US, and these were packaged using plain rice paper type innersleeves simlar to what MOFI uses.
I was shocked to find hazing on the Mofi pressing. I had heard from others that Mofi wasn’t excluded from off gassing. So I thought I should investigate. Thanks for watching and commenting. I love those ECM pressings too! Great stuff! ✌🏽 Steve
I believe the newer mofi sleeves aren’t a problem. My mofi sleeve was 13 years old and sealed. I’ve also learned from some very knowledgeable viewers that temperature and storage can trigger severe off gassing. If you have your records jammed too tightly in your shelves PVC inner sleeves and/or outer sleeves will eventually off gas. Smoking environments accelerate and intensify the chemical reaction.
@@TheVinylRecordMission Just a thought, I've got many albums that have the pinkish plastic sleeves and not one has ever "ghosted". Maybe these sleeves are only an issue when the album remaines unopened as the "offgassing" has no where to go. Once opened you have ventilation to vent off any offgassing. And yes sometimes in the manufacturing process they get that look. It doesn't clean off but does not hurt the sound.
thanks Steve, this is a real eye opener and a worry as a collector. i think this also applies to unsealed records that have not been listened to in years. i recently listened to ELP's Tarkus after maybe 40 years and when i took it out of the sleeve, the vinyl was kind of marbled, there were kind of sweat marks all over it. i gave it a good clean with a quality vinyl cleaner and listened to it. sadly it was making a lot of noise thruout (the vinyl was near mint, no scratches, nothing). is this also caused by off-gassing, have you come across this on open records before? any recommendation? i am afraid that this might have also happened to many others i have not listened to in years and there are hundreds...
@@JosiMorreale So sorry to hear about your Tarkus record. It is definitely a collectors concern. I have come across this on open albums. My best suggestion is to make sure there are no PVC inner sleeves or PVC outer sleeves in the collection. I only use HDPE inner sleeves and Japanese resealable outer sleeves whenever possible. Don’t over stuff your record shelves and keep the room from getting too hot. Those are all the things I do to hopefully prevent any further damage. Thanks for watching and sharing your story with us.
Only the stiff PVC sleeves off gas. There should be no issues with polythene sleeves. Some of the surface marks observed may be a result of the pressing process. I have come across Mo-Fi pressings as well as others from RTI that have such non audible marks when opened new. The inner sleeves that cause issue from RTI are the now discontinued clear sleeves with a strong pink tint. Left a dust on records that should clean off with an RCM. Personally have not had issues with Mo-Fi inner sleeves. The inners to worry about are from the late 60s and early 70s UK polylined sleeves. BTW I don't leave records sealed or buy old sealed records unless seller will refund for defects.
Not sure where you got that from... My poly lined OG UK & German pressings are perfectly fine, no hazing or ghosting whatsoever... Lot of Beatles records, Moody Blues, etc. 🤷
@@R3TR0R4V3 So strange. I’m getting a video ready as we speak to show how really bad off gassing looks and sounds on a record. That record happens to be a UK pressing from 1972 that’s been opened for decades and inside the original UK issued poly lined inner sleeve. I guess I’m the unlucky one. Could have been from climate conditions or who knows. Thank you for sharing your experience with me. Steve
You can reach my cousin Phil at Far West Record Supply (626) 628-4138 or you can email him at Farwestrecordsupply@gmail.com I get all my record supplies from him. I also buy my Japanese Resealable outer sleeves from him. He owns the company. Take care.
Hey Steve, I have a NM open copy of Betty Swann that when I last looked it up a couple of years ago it was selling for a little over $100. I never sold it because it had that haze on both sides and it played with that dull static noise in the background. Now I do not know if it came from the pressing plant like this or if it is this ghosting you are talking about. My question is what is this record worth now and how do you figure the percentage deducted if it if is a rare record and it has ghosting? I believe Goldmine has no percentage of worth deducted on records that are ghosted. 🤔
In my experience it’s difficult if not impossible to find buyers for damaged records, unless it’s one of kind rare or extremely limited. So I couldn’t really give you an accurate percentage of reduction in value. My guess would be 15 to 25% of the Mint value at best. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the tip, Johnny! I buy and listen to CDs as well as vinyl. I will keep an eye out for that. Appreciate you watching and sharing your thoughts and recommendations. ✌🏽 Steve
Yeah, CD's have a whole nothrr weird deal. Some just pit and fall apart. All CD's thst you care about should be ripped, maybe even copied. Some audiophiles share thst a copied CD from a commercially made CD actually plays and possibly even sounds better.
My Aja Cisco has a line across it from the lined paper sleeve. It was the line of glue that sticks the paper to the liner. Luckily it didn’t affect the sound. I must have caught it before it went deep into the grooves.
I want to thank you for opening my eyes on the RTI inner sleeves, it is crazy that your previous video was suggested in my feed and I was able to pull out some of my jazz albums which the vinyl was beginning to get cloudy due to the pink RTI inner sleeves.
@@DjEle1979 Hi DjEle. Glad we could help. So many collectors are unaware of these potential threats to the wellbeing of their precious records. Some downright refuse to believe reality of ghosting or hazing. Thanks for letting us know we helped you. Appreciate your support. ✌🏽 Steve
@@tiborosz1825 yes and no. Is oxygen the culprit or a lack there of? Only clinical trials will tell. I doubt that will ever happened. Great question. I only have records that show this damage but no real answers why, only a hypothesis. Thank you for watching and commenting. ✌🏽
I think all non-paper sleeves off-gas (inner and outer) because the plasticizers used to keep them soft off-gas. PVC is worse than poly but none of them are 100% stable - I have a theory that they can only off-gas so much before they stop but I’m not a chemist. The reason I think this is because “new car smell” is off-gassing plastic and that goes away with time. Off-gassing dashboard plastic will increase how much the inside of your vehicles’ windshield will fog over but that too lessens over time. I think another thing that happens is the inner sleeve is pressed against the vinyl when records are stored too tightly and it makes the matter worse. I left a comment on another one of your videos where I said I had hundreds with ghostly waves. Almost all of them were in round-bottom thin poly sleeves and two were in MOFi style sleeves. None were sealed but all were stored pretty tight.
@@ab3000x Yes I do remember your other comment. This comment is great as well! Storing records too tightly together is a great preventative measure to take as you suggested. Thank you again for your great contributions to the channel and the Vinyl Community. ✌🏽 Steve
Not necessarily... I have UK & German pressings from the late 60's & early 70's that came in poly lined inners, that still look practically brand new.. No anomalies with ghosting or hazing whatsoever. Whatever they did back then, they got it right the first time. 🤷 I've been using Japanese style round bottom inners for years and haven't noticed anything weird yet, but I'll certainly keep an eye out. 👍
After our initial conversations, I got the feeling that you were a bit of an unhinged individual. This confirms the state of your mental health. 🤣 You’re entering some rough air; take a deep breath and hold on tight. I happened to open a 10-year-old Mofi while my friend Shaun was visiting. The Freewheelin’, Bob Dylan. No evidence of any off-gassing. It sounded amazing! Have a great weekend..
@@mad4vinyl802 hahaha. Two unhinged individuals. Explains why we get along so well 🤣. Glad your Freewheelin’ was free of off gassin’ Have an even greater weekend, Mark. ✌🏽
Just stumbled upon your channel and subscribed. Good video, but damn, now I have to get rid of all my MoFi inner sleeves??? Thankfully I don’t keep any sealed records, that’s like seeing vintage Motorcycles in a museum. BTW, love the Big Night!
@@terrykeenan4308 hi Terry. Welcome to the channel and thank you for subscribing. Before you discard all of your mofi inner sleeves I would examine your records to see if there has been any reaction. If not, and your records look as pristine as they were when you opened them, I’d say it’s safe to keep them in the mofi inners, as long as you don’t store your records too tightly together. Give them a little wiggle room, but don’t cram them too tightly. Some viewers have stated that mofi had an issue with a few large runs of their inner sleeves that they have since corrected. No one gave a time frame or years when those sleeves were manufactured and distributed so it’s anyone’s guess. The Big Night is such an awesome movie! Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment and share your thoughts. See you around. ✌🏽 Steve
Hey Steve. Man, off gassing can suck. I bought a sealed 2xLP 10” of Helmet’s “Betty” which came out a week before the CD in the 90’s, I believe? I bought it about 10 yrs ago from Audiophile USA. I owned it before but no idea where it went. Anyway, it had some major haze from those cheap yellow inner sleeves, but went away in a few months on its own it didn’t effect playback whatsoever thankfully. Trying to increase the value?! 😂🤣🤷♂️ WTF, people? 😂 They’re onto you, man! 🤣
@@NickP333 Hi Nick. That’s great news! Glad that awesome Helmet release came clean and sounds great.👍🏽 Hahaha Yeah if I had the power to influence an entire industry I choose the stock market not bloody records! 🤣😂 Some people 🙄 Thanks for chippin’ in, Nick! Always great to hear from you. ✌🏽 Steve
So what I got from this is to go with paper inner sleeves? I'm new to collecting (2 years), so I'm still learning. Would paper inner sleeves be best? Don't they cause static? I'm so confused....LOL
First off, welcome to the world of vinyl record collecting. Your best bet is to use HDPE which stands for (high density polyethylene) inner sleeves. They are paper sleeves that are lined with high density polyethylene inside. Also make sure you are not storing your records too tightly in your shelves. Those two things alone should help minimize, if not prevent the irreversible damages caused by off gassing. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment and share your thoughts. ✌🏽 Steve
Hi Larry. Yes I’m fully aware of the little punch holes dating back to the 50s cover baggies and early exteriors before “shrink” was even invented. My question is how much oxygen can really pass through a tight shrink wrap cover and does that oxygen even reach the vinyl and if so in what minute amount. Everything is still unproven. We are all only speculating. Some things are obvious while others are mysterious. Thanks for commenting 😉
@@TheVinylRecordMission As someone who pressed vinyl for Furnace, the company Metallica bought into, oxygen can definitely reach the record. The ghosting is from contact. If it was mainly from gassing off, the whole record would be covered in ghosting. Thanks for responding back.
@@crosswalklarry My pleasure. I appreciate your honesty. I’m grateful for any education I can get from others. I respect your experience and knowledge. ✌🏽
The acid in paper sleeves of the 60's does the same. I believe heat x moisture x time is the dreadful formula with these sleeves I have confidence rice paper MOFI inners are safe.
I agree with you that climate conditions play a huge role in the preservation of records over the long term. Thank you for watching and sharing your comment. Steve
Not sure it its true for other parts of the world but here in Australia buying a record in the 70's & 80's they were never sealed. You had to bring the jacket to the front counter where the staff member would reach out to a rack behind them and pull out the record and inner sleeve and visually chech before slipping it into the jacket and ringing it up for you to purchase. In many respects i wish they went back to that as it would save a lot of heartache with this sort of thing.
Wow. That’s the first time I’ve heard of such a thing. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to open a sealed record at the retailer before purchasing to make sure there are no defects. That was a pretty cool system. They had in Australia. Thanks for sharing that with us. We appreciate you watching and commenting. Cheers. Steve
I've read of some collectors doing away with plastic sleeves entirely and replacing them with high quality paper sleeves. This is an opportunity for a manufacturer to produce an archival quality paper sleeve that won't scratch records.
@@DetroitStars According to my cousin who owns a record supply company acid free inner sleeves are just fine for records. He does recommend paper sleeves for records that are going to be played a lot resulting in the record being taken in and out of the sleeve many times. For archival purposes and occasional playing he recommends the acid free paper sleeves as an alternative and cost effective option to the HDPE Poly-lined sleeves. Thank you for watching and commenting.
I bought a 30 year old still sealed record. No worries about off gassing because I opened it up and played the life out of it. This is such a non issue that seems to keep coming up every 10 years or so. Off gasing will not deteriorate the grooves of the record. It might make it look milky but will sound as good as any newly purchased record.
Maybe there's different types of this happening because I have had a few records that were affected and had the vinyl cancer Ghosting and they were unlistenable.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 I agree. Every pressing plant has its own vinyl formula, which effects a plethora of things, and off gassing could be one of them.
@@scottgallagher5344 This is something that the big knobs in the vinyl production world need to address, because it seems everyone is now confused about what inner and outer sleeves are OK and what aren't and is the vinyl itself playing a part, in which case what vinyl should we avoid and what is OK? It's a big can of worms
Scott what do say to the viewers who have actually experienced what you’re calling a “non issue”? Are they imagining things. Are they hearing things? For every one of you theirs 50 people who have left comments stating they have experience this and includes Frank @Channel33rpm. Just a simple fact. Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission I want to hear a pre ghosting v ghosted. Same print from the same batch. Every pressing plant has a different formula for their vinyl they use. They also tweek that formula every now and then. All of these formulas affect the vinyl in a variety of ways. Exp: Melting and cooling times. These I believe are more of the issue then the sleeves gassing off.
@@hipoint4599 It’s a first world problem. As I said in the video we buy HUGE collections and some have hundreds of sealed copies in them. We don’t actually collect sealed records it simply takes us time to decide on which ones to keep (and open) and which ones to sell. No other reasons. Thanks for watching and commenting. ✌🏽 Steve
Because sometimes you buy 1 to play and 1 to collect. Or you sell some years down the road to help keep the cost down on your hobby. Also different pressing are to be considered too. If you want easy, then just stream your music. But hearing the same complaint from someone who obviously doesn't get it, it jsut as annoying to us who do get.
@@Brian-qg8dg Are all you sealed record collectors so touchy I wasn't complaining I said I don't understand buying a record and not opening it. Still don't, but thanks for low key insulting me.
@hipoint4599 you weren't really asking questions, you are making rhetorical statements. It gets tiresome to read that type of comment. And if there was a true question in your comment, then you would of said something like, "how interesting" and not tossed back sarcastic remark
Hmm, I find this issue with sealed vinyl a strange one. If you're a die hard collector of sealed records, you probably won't ever have any intention of cracking them open because ultimately you're buying for the collectability ( and/ or value) and not the sound quality. Unsealing will reduce it's value, so unless the vinyl record sleeve appears warped or damaged you will have no way to determine the condition??..a really odd conundrum indeed...I think this is why I will never collect sealed records.
Hi Robison. I agree with you. I’m into the records for listening reasons. I know some think it’s a great investment however if they are ruined after 40 years of being sealed what’s the purpose right? Good point about reduced value once opened. But a highly collectible opened record in mint condition will still fetch a high price. It’s a risky business. Thanks for watching and commenting. We appreciate your thoughts. ✌🏽 Steve
Newby here ...So, Are you saying not to use the mofi sleeves? If so, what shelves do you recommend? Or are the sleeves ok to use, but have a chemical reaction with the record, when the record is still sealed.
Hi Jason. It’s hard to say. I’m choosing to change out my mofi sleeves with the HDPE (High Density Polyethylene) inner sleeves I get from my cousin. Others have experienced off gassing with the mofi sleeves. The fact that I am now a witness to this phenomenon is enough for me to take precautionary measures. The inner sleeves you want to use are HDPE inner sleeves. I hope this helps. I could give you my cousin phone number if you like. He ships and he could answer more of your questions if you have any. Thank you for watching and commenting. ✌🏽 Steve
I was looking through my records after the last video I saw where you talked about ghosting. So I noticed some of the old opened records I have with the original shrink on there is a film on my hands after handling them. Is it bad to keep the original shrink on? It seems like the album cover is being disintegrated by the shrink wrap. Can an album become ghosted by the outer shrink as well? My albums are in a room, not anywhere where there is grease or smoke around them. That’s why I’m a bit puzzled by that film feeling on my hands after playing certain older albums. Any info is appreciated. Thanks so much for letting us know about this issue.
Thanks for sharing. I usually remove the shrink wrap and place all my records in Japanese resealable plastic sleeves. If I was putting my records in outer sleeves I would probably leave the shrink on if the shrink was still in great condition. Hope this helps.
@@poetsdreamsatc What I meant to say was if I wasn’t putting my album in outer sleeves only then would I leave the shrink on as an extra layer of protection. I accidentally said if I “Was” . . . in the previous comment
@@TheVinylRecordMission oh I understand now. I agree that at least keep the shrink on if you don’t have sleeves. I’d much rather have the protective sleeves on my albums than the shrink wrap. I will leave the shrink on the album but inside the outer sleeves. If there isn’t a hype sticker or original album price tag I will take off the shrink wrap. Since watching your gassing videos I’m looking at each one of my albums now and getting good quality inner rice paper sleeves and outer sleeves. Thank you for all the info! I appreciate it! -Debbie
Wait, there's no mental illness disorder in keeping sealed records? I thought the Cedars-Sinai t-shirt was a sign you had just escaped from the asylum - KIDDING - it's definitely time folks open their vinyl, especially anything made in the last 20 years as the manufacturers weren't as keen on all the materials (ie inner sleeve materials) being used and their long-term storage effects (clearly). Can't believe I'm advocating for paper sleeves indirectly, but from the manufacturing end...back then...would have been better. Just let me know when you break that window and escape the hospital next time, Big Chief! 🤣
Too funny! I didn’t see the connection between the mental illness comments and my wearing a Cedars Sinai T-shirt. Thanks for that! Hilarious! When record manufacturers researched which materials to use him for inner sleeves I doubt that they took into consideration that the record would remained sealed for much longer than a few years. Their intent was for the records to be opened immediately after being purchased. That may have a lot to do with the inner sleeve issues. I’m going to need a lift 😂🤣
And here i was thinking the only off gassing I had to deal with was near the beans and ribs section at Golden Corral.. many thanks Steve! Edit: if anyone doesnt like the fact that i keep some sealed records I welcome them to come here and try n' unseal 'em👍😁 these records belong to me
You "think" those outer sleeves offgas. But do you "know?" Be careful about making claims about things you "think" might be happening Does anyone actually KNOW what inner and outer sleeves cause this? Obviously the old heavy ugly PVC outer sleeves with the crinkled edges do but we really need a comprehensive list that is confirmed. Typical MoFi quality, dodgy sleeves, covers falling apart, warped vinyl. That company is DEAD to me
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 What’s up CPM! These sealed MOFI records came to me in a collection where I paid $1.50 for each record. The hazing/ghosting found on the Rickie Lee Jones record is what I’ve learned from experts like my cousin (who owns Far West Record Supply) to be known as off gassing. You find in the comments that I’m not the only one who has experienced off gassing from MOFI inner sleeves. I would never spend good money for a MOFI. I have far more other titles to chase after. Thanks for commenting. Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission I understand, but I'm referring to the outer sleeve (the ones with the perforation that you tear off) do you "know" they're causing vinyl cancer or do you "think" they are and just discarding them just in case? This whole thing really needs to be addressed by the big knobs in the vinyl pressing game because it's not good enough that we're buying this stuff and having to guess what is safe and what isn't, the rubbish needs to be identified and removed from the industry entirely. I have a pretty strong hatred towards Mofi, they intentionally lied for profit imo and when caught out tried to lie their way out of it before being forced to admit it, they can't be trusted again, but this is bigger than just Mofi. We're at the point where we need clear labelling that the inner and outer sleeves are "Non Vinyl cancer approved"
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 oh I got you now. You’re the issue should be addressed big knobs. Maybe if they see enough of these videos lol and read all these comments they get off the spindle and do something. ✌🏽
Why would you keep a album sealed for 13 years? , these albums are meant to be listened to and enjoyed, why are record collectors so pretentious, I find it ridiculous.
@@robertbeam2 High Robert. I’m going to play Devil’s advocate here. Call them what you want. Judge them how you see fit. They will only consider you just as pretentious and ridiculous for judging and criticizing them. It’s their money, their records, their reasons. BTW. I DID NOT buy this record 13 years ago. These were in a large collection I bought in 2023. It took me a while to get around to opening them. Not pretentious or ridiculous. Just is my friend. Steve
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I think all sealed records should have an expiration date if they remain sealed, that way we’d quit obsessing over collecting and listen to them lol
That is a SOUND idea! Seriously I think your idea for expiration dates for records remaining sealed is spot on. Great thinking! Thanks for contributing. ✌🏽
Steve
Here's an important tip: when purchasing resealable outers, make sure you get "seal on bag" as opposed to "seal on flap"...
Seal on-flap will snag your record and leave you screaming, trust me 😖
You're right though, those thin cellophane Japanese style reseals are definitely the best quality to put on expensive records... They actually make older jackets look amazing and refreshed 💯👍
I also recommend changing them every few years just to be safe because all plastic breaks down eventually... 👍❤️
Cheers!
I was worried about using the scalable bags. Thank you for clarifying that.
@@GreatBowlsAfire Absolutely great advice on the resealable outers! 👍🏽👍🏽 I also agree with you on changing them out every few years. It can be expensive but it’s worth it. Thank you for watching and sharing your great suggestions! 🫶🏽✌🏽💪🏽💪🏽
Some sealed records are worth having just for the fact that they're sealed and thus "add to" a collection of a favorite artist - preserving what the record was like new in a store. I have a few that are never intended to be played. But I agree - most sealed or bagged records should be opened and the vinyl properly cleaned (and rinsed free of any / all agents). Those HDPE sleeves should last many decades without causing any issues. The art framing world has dealt with outgassing issues for many decades. Some of the principles apply well to records. There was a purported run of MOFI sleeves that had problems some time ago, but most I've seen / have do not have fogging issues. I've kept records in VRP polyethylene audio sleeves I bought in the 70's and they are still clean and clear... pushing 50 years now!
@@Texeq He Texed. That great news. I’m glad to hear the HDPE are safe for a long time and that only a small run of MOFI sleeves caused defects. Thanks for sharing that useful information. We greatly appreciate your contribution. ✌🏽
I remember reading a thread on the Hoffman forums a few years ago discussing MoFi sleeves. I don't remember the time frame, but apparently MoFi had a huge batch of bad sleeves slip through. It affected both sleeves from record releases and the sleeves they sold separately. Perhaps your Rickie Lee Jones album was from that bad batch. I'd advise everyone to check all their MoFi releases, and every record where they might have used a MoFi replacement sleeve.
@@DetroitStars Great advice, DertroitStars. That’s great information and a wise suggestion to pass along to the viewers. I’m definitely going through all my mofi records both sealed and opened. Thank you for your knowledgeable contribution. ✌🏽
Steve
MoFi Archival Inner Sleeves do not Off Gas. They are not made from PVC. If there are marks it is from something else.
Thank you. I don’t know what else that film could have possibly been. It most definitely came off the inner sleeve. I’m just glad it wiped clean off and didn’t hurt the sound quality. Thank you for commenting and taking the time to watch our video. ✌🏽
Steve
All plastic off gas. Softer, bendable plastics off gas more than hard plastic. Polyethylene off gasses methane and ethylene. Both can be harmful.
I haven't used MoFi's polyethylene sleeves, but I do use very similar ones. I also have paper polyethylene sleeves that are branded Realistic and were sold by Radio Shack, which I purchased in the 70s.
Certain compound formulas react differently to each other. We will never know what chemicals make up every plastic. Companies say vinyl, PVC, polyethylene and the real mystery is when they just say "poly".
I've been in the plastics and coatings industry for decades.
I say if you doubt it, throw it out. How much are inner and outer sleeves? Cheap insurance! Worth it, even if it only makes us think we are safer.
Whenever someone gets indignant over someone else keeping their copy of a record sealed, what they are really saying is, "I am jealous yours is sealed and mine isn't, and I want yours to be lowered to the level of mine because I have a severe inferiority complex." And I am someone who frequently opens sealed vintage pressings (albeit, cheap titles).
You have nothing to apologize for. I would just delete their comments.
And that film does look like it is from that inner. I have seen a lot of records from the 80s that had similar plastic sleeves. And with the film mirroring the wrinkles like that. And yes, it always cleans off. Very happy to see this record survived. Time to check my records in MoFi inners, haha. I think moisture often triggers these sleeve breakdowns. But obviously this collection was not affected the same way throughout.
I’ve deleted more than a few comments. No need to entertain the haters and trolls. I haven’t the time for them. I do however make the time to respond to my friendly subscribers which there are many including you JWD! 👍🏽👍🏽 I love cracking open a sealed record from the 50s 60s 70s and 80s. Like you said JWD they aren’t value grails but they can be nonetheless great records from great artists with great music on them. And if they emerge unscathed there is nothing more rewarding than dropping the needle on them. 😁✌🏽
Thx for this. I never knew this was an issue. Now i have an idea. Stay AWESOME 👌
@@ronaldweed6103 Thanks Ronald. Thanks for watching and commenting.
9:20 here you say "it hasn't has any oxygen...inside" yet there are two holes in the sleeve which to my thoughts would allow oxygen inside. Just my observation.
@@ganonkenobi You totally right about the air holes in the outer plastic sleeve. I should have been more specific. I do believe that when the outer plastic sleeve is completely opened up to excessive amount of oxygen/air and dust it promotes more chemical reactions. Thank you kindly for your great observation. I hope my explanation clears things up a little. Thank you for watching and commenting. ✌🏽
Steve
Yep... mofi are basically unsealed.. now back to the possible issues with every freakin inner sleeve, right? Hahs
Note on number editions of records. When a record pressed it is shuffled around the plant ibetween inspections and packaging that there is no way to keep it in the order it was pressed. Your sleeve might say #5000 but it could possibly be the first one pressed. FYI
@@scottgallagher5344 Hi Scott. That’s very interesting. So then they’re just letting us know what number our cover is? Thanks for the info. ✌🏽
@@TheVinylRecordMission Not even. The cover is printed in another location without the number. The number is place on the cover before to is sealed.
I worked in a pressing plant for a year.
As they say "If you like hotdogs never work in a hotdog factory."
@@scottgallagher5344 Hahaha! That’s crazy, Scott! Thanks for sharing. I love the hot dog analogy 😂 ✌🏽
Steve
Research needs to be done to determine the environmental conditions that cause or accelerate the sleeve degradation. I suspect high indoor temperatures and high humidity is a factor. Also, I suspect pressure is bad, such as when a large stack of records are stored horizontally, or when a large group of records are stored vertically and leaning at an angle on a wide shelf.
Agreed: Climatic conditions & also "breathability"...
@@DetroitStars I agree. Maybe a disclaimer like on canned foods that says “Store In Cool Dry Place. Keep Away From Heat”
I can’t understand how people can care more about canned green beans than vinyl! What’s the world coming to 😂. All kidding aside you make some great points DetroitStars. Thanks for sharing. Your input is always helpful and appreciated.✌🏽
I always unseal mine. A pet peeve of mine are records that are warped. It would pain me to wonder if the record that was sealed was warped or had any other defect. I keep the shrink wrap on, but I do slice it open and take a peek. I actually do have OCD that was diagnosed so mine is in fact, a ‘mental illness.’ 👍🏼😂
We don’t judge here on The Vinyl Record Mission. 🫶🏽 Nothing but love. I think your system is fantastic! Safe is better than sorry. Enjoy your collection. Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts with us.✌🏽
Steve
Hello VCS, just wanted to say hello and congratulations for the success of this channel... Take care brother.
Yo Brother Gil! Great to hear from you. Thanks for the kind words. Hope you’re doing well. Many blessings sending your way! ✌🏽
Steve
I’m amazed that you would have so many sealed records. My record buying days go back to the early sixties and one thing i learned is to open and play a record right after buying it. Why? There was always a decent chance the record needed to be returned due to excessive surface noise, warpage, etc. Still true today. After a short time, returning one is not possible so you end up getting stuck with it.
Of course I didn’t buy them as “investments”, so maybe that makes the difference in habits.
I often buy in bulk. Out of that bulk I pick what I’m going to keep, trade and sell. Over the years sealed records had a way of being set aside and building up. I’ve learned a hard lesson. I’m going to open everything. I’ve never been one who intentionally collects sealed records. I do see an investment quality in collecting vintage. It’s like saving money while being able to listen to it. One can’t listen to a savings account balance. Well kept record collections can almost always be sold or inherited by our children. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. ✌🏽
Steve
The hazing or ghosting is something that comic collectors have known about for decades. The cheaper bags and/or backer boards need to be replaced every so many years.
Same goes for and type of bag/liner/etc
@@webrik33 Great point and recommendation. Thank you for your contribution. ✌🏽
Steve
Gasoline Alley and Never A Dull Moment are my favorites.. Every Picture is outstanding as well..
I should have titled this video Gasoline Alley 😂
Very, very funny ! 😆 I didn't want to comment on your topic as I have a lot of sealed records. I have never had a problem when opening them, and I do get around to opening sealed stuff that I have. It's the weekend, and we're going to see my partner's band, The Blues Monsters, tonight at The Great Basin Brewery. ( They're online if you want to sample ) 🎵
@@jtsrecordroom3963 Thanks JT! Enjoy the show. I’m at work at the moment. I’ll check out the band on my days off, Sunday Monday.
OK 🤙
I've also been able to remove 'ghosting' caused by off-gassing using microfibre cloth. Odd that this would happen with MOFI innersleeves, as I have 40+ year-old ECM pressings that don't have any traces of off-gassing. From ~'78 on WEA started pressing ECM releases in the US, and these were packaged using plain rice paper type innersleeves simlar to what MOFI uses.
I was shocked to find hazing on the Mofi pressing. I had heard from others that Mofi wasn’t excluded from off gassing. So I thought I should investigate. Thanks for watching and commenting. I love those ECM pressings too! Great stuff! ✌🏽
Steve
Very informative, Steve. I re-sleeved a bunch of records with MoFi sleeves. I hope they are good sleeves!
I believe the newer mofi sleeves aren’t a problem. My mofi sleeve was 13 years old and sealed. I’ve also learned from some very knowledgeable viewers that temperature and storage can trigger severe off gassing. If you have your records jammed too tightly in your shelves PVC inner sleeves and/or outer sleeves will eventually off gas. Smoking environments accelerate and intensify the chemical reaction.
At 70 I remember collecting records cause that's how you LISTENED TO MUSIC.
@@bradt.3555 hahaha. You’re right on there, Bradt. 👍🏽👍🏽 Thanks for watching and commenting. ✌🏽
Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission that might not be ghosting but just the vinyl manufacturing process
@@juliosanchez95 Hi Julio. Whatever it is I’m just glad it cleaned off my record. 😁 ✌🏽
@@TheVinylRecordMission Just a thought, I've got many albums that have the pinkish plastic sleeves and not one has ever "ghosted". Maybe these sleeves are only an issue when the album remaines unopened as the "offgassing" has no where to go. Once opened you have ventilation to vent off any offgassing. And yes sometimes in the manufacturing process they get that look. It doesn't clean off but does not hurt the sound.
thanks Steve, this is a real eye opener and a worry as a collector. i think this also applies to unsealed records that have not been listened to in years. i recently listened to ELP's Tarkus after maybe 40 years and when i took it out of the sleeve, the vinyl was kind of marbled, there were kind of sweat marks all over it. i gave it a good clean with a quality vinyl cleaner and listened to it. sadly it was making a lot of noise thruout (the vinyl was near mint, no scratches, nothing). is this also caused by off-gassing, have you come across this on open records before? any recommendation? i am afraid that this might have also happened to many others i have not listened to in years and there are hundreds...
@@JosiMorreale So sorry to hear about your Tarkus record. It is definitely a collectors concern. I have come across this on open albums. My best suggestion is to make sure there are no PVC inner sleeves or PVC outer sleeves in the collection. I only use HDPE inner sleeves and Japanese resealable outer sleeves whenever possible. Don’t over stuff your record shelves and keep the room from getting too hot. Those are all the things I do to hopefully prevent any further damage. Thanks for watching and sharing your story with us.
Only the stiff PVC sleeves off gas. There should be no issues with polythene sleeves. Some of the surface marks observed may be a result of the pressing process. I have come across Mo-Fi pressings as well as others from RTI that have such non audible marks when opened new. The inner sleeves that cause issue from RTI are the now discontinued clear sleeves with a strong pink tint. Left a dust on records that should clean off with an RCM. Personally have not had issues with Mo-Fi inner sleeves. The inners to worry about are from the late 60s and early 70s UK polylined sleeves. BTW I don't leave records sealed or buy old sealed records unless seller will refund for defects.
Thanks for sharing. All poly-products PVC polyethylene are derived from petroleum hydrocarbons. Is that not where the off gas comes from?
Not sure where you got that from... My poly lined OG UK & German pressings are perfectly fine, no hazing or ghosting whatsoever... Lot of Beatles records, Moody Blues, etc. 🤷
@@R3TR0R4V3 So strange. I’m getting a video ready as we speak to show how really bad off gassing looks and sounds on a record. That record happens to be a UK pressing from 1972 that’s been opened for decades and inside the original UK issued poly lined inner sleeve. I guess I’m the unlucky one. Could have been from climate conditions or who knows. Thank you for sharing your experience with me.
Steve
Can you please recommend or link to one of the “Japanese resealable” covers and sleeves you described?
You can reach my cousin Phil at Far West Record Supply (626) 628-4138 or you can email him at Farwestrecordsupply@gmail.com
I get all my record supplies from him. I also buy my Japanese Resealable outer sleeves from him. He owns the company. Take care.
Hey Steve, I have a NM open copy of Betty Swann that when I last looked it up a couple of years ago it was selling for a little over $100. I never sold it because it had that haze on both sides and it played with that dull static noise in the background. Now I do not know if it came from the pressing plant like this or if it is this ghosting you are talking about. My question is what is this record worth now and how do you figure the percentage deducted if it if is a rare record and it has ghosting? I believe Goldmine has no percentage of worth deducted on records that are ghosted. 🤔
In my experience it’s difficult if not impossible to find buyers for damaged records, unless it’s one of kind rare or extremely limited. So I couldn’t really give you an accurate percentage of reduction in value. My guess would be 15 to 25% of the Mint value at best. Hope this helps.
Beside the inner or outer sleeve degassing, maybe they use some cleaning or real easing agent products on the mold during the pressing?🤔
@@RicardoMargadonaRebeccaRiss That’s a possibility.
The use of plasticisers in PVC is the issue. Avoid PVC.
@@russellthechemist8291 Thank you, Russell. We appreciate your participation and advice. Have a great weekend! ✌🏽
Hi
You can see the same effect on cd's if you keep them in Nagoka inner sleeves for cd.
I have experience that, so beware.
Thanks for the tip, Johnny! I buy and listen to CDs as well as vinyl. I will keep an eye out for that. Appreciate you watching and sharing your thoughts and recommendations. ✌🏽
Steve
Yeah, CD's have a whole nothrr weird deal. Some just pit and fall apart. All CD's thst you care about should be ripped, maybe even copied. Some audiophiles share thst a copied CD from a commercially made CD actually plays and possibly even sounds better.
My Aja Cisco has a line across it from the lined paper sleeve. It was the line of glue that sticks the paper to the liner. Luckily it didn’t affect the sound. I must have caught it before it went deep into the grooves.
That was a close call. Great album by the way! ✌🏽
Steve
I want to thank you for opening my eyes on the RTI inner sleeves, it is crazy that your previous video was suggested in my feed and I was able to pull out some of my jazz albums which the vinyl was beginning to get cloudy due to the pink RTI inner sleeves.
@@DjEle1979 Hi DjEle. Glad we could help. So many collectors are unaware of these potential threats to the wellbeing of their precious records. Some downright refuse to believe reality of ghosting or hazing. Thanks for letting us know we helped you. Appreciate your support. ✌🏽
Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission definitely was an eye opener, especially for expensive blue note/music matters editions. Once again, thank you!
Well wouldn't this be an issue only if the vinyl was hermtically sealed?
@@tiborosz1825 yes and no. Is oxygen the culprit or a lack there of? Only clinical trials will tell. I doubt that will ever happened. Great question. I only have records that show this damage but no real answers why, only a hypothesis. Thank you for watching and commenting. ✌🏽
I think all non-paper sleeves off-gas (inner and outer) because the plasticizers used to keep them soft off-gas. PVC is worse than poly but none of them are 100% stable - I have a theory that they can only off-gas so much before they stop but I’m not a chemist. The reason I think this is because “new car smell” is off-gassing plastic and that goes away with time. Off-gassing dashboard plastic will increase how much the inside of your vehicles’ windshield will fog over but that too lessens over time.
I think another thing that happens is the inner sleeve is pressed against the vinyl when records are stored too tightly and it makes the matter worse. I left a comment on another one of your videos where I said I had hundreds with ghostly waves. Almost all of them were in round-bottom thin poly sleeves and two were in MOFi style sleeves. None were sealed but all were stored pretty tight.
@@ab3000x Yes I do remember your other comment. This comment is great as well! Storing records too tightly together is a great preventative measure to take as you suggested. Thank you again for your great contributions to the channel and the Vinyl Community. ✌🏽
Steve
Not necessarily... I have UK & German pressings from the late 60's & early 70's that came in poly lined inners, that still look practically brand new.. No anomalies with ghosting or hazing whatsoever. Whatever they did back then, they got it right the first time. 🤷
I've been using Japanese style round bottom inners for years and haven't noticed anything weird yet, but I'll certainly keep an eye out. 👍
After our initial conversations, I got the feeling that you were a bit of an unhinged individual. This confirms the state of your mental health. 🤣 You’re entering some rough air; take a deep breath and hold on tight. I happened to open a 10-year-old Mofi while my friend Shaun was visiting. The Freewheelin’, Bob Dylan. No evidence of any off-gassing. It sounded amazing! Have a great weekend..
@@mad4vinyl802 hahaha. Two unhinged individuals. Explains why we get along so well 🤣. Glad your Freewheelin’ was free of off gassin’
Have an even greater weekend, Mark. ✌🏽
Just stumbled upon your channel and subscribed. Good video, but damn, now I have to get rid of all my MoFi inner sleeves??? Thankfully I don’t keep any sealed records, that’s like seeing vintage Motorcycles in a museum. BTW, love the Big Night!
@@terrykeenan4308 hi Terry. Welcome to the channel and thank you for subscribing. Before you discard all of your mofi inner sleeves I would examine your records to see if there has been any reaction. If not, and your records look as pristine as they were when you opened them, I’d say it’s safe to keep them in the mofi inners, as long as you don’t store your records too tightly together. Give them a little wiggle room, but don’t cram them too tightly. Some viewers have stated that mofi had an issue with a few large runs of their inner sleeves that they have since corrected. No one gave a time frame or years when those sleeves were manufactured and distributed so it’s anyone’s guess. The Big Night is such an awesome movie! Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment and share your thoughts. See you around. ✌🏽
Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission thanks so much Steve. Much appreciated.
Hey Steve. Man, off gassing can suck. I bought a sealed 2xLP 10” of Helmet’s “Betty” which came out a week before the CD in the 90’s, I believe? I bought it about 10 yrs ago from Audiophile USA. I owned it before but no idea where it went. Anyway, it had some major haze from those cheap yellow inner sleeves, but went away in a few months on its own it didn’t effect playback whatsoever thankfully.
Trying to increase the value?! 😂🤣🤷♂️ WTF, people? 😂 They’re onto you, man! 🤣
@@NickP333 Hi Nick. That’s great news! Glad that awesome Helmet release came clean and sounds great.👍🏽 Hahaha Yeah if I had the power to influence an entire industry I choose the stock market not bloody records! 🤣😂 Some people 🙄 Thanks for chippin’ in, Nick! Always great to hear from you. ✌🏽
Steve
So what I got from this is to go with paper inner sleeves? I'm new to collecting (2 years), so I'm still learning. Would paper inner sleeves be best? Don't they cause static? I'm so confused....LOL
First off, welcome to the world of vinyl record collecting. Your best bet is to use HDPE which stands for (high density polyethylene) inner sleeves. They are paper sleeves that are lined with high density polyethylene inside. Also make sure you are not storing your records too tightly in your shelves. Those two things alone should help minimize, if not prevent the irreversible damages caused by off gassing. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment and share your thoughts. ✌🏽
Steve
@@valuevinylwithmark I just subscribed to your channel, bud. See you around. ✌🏽
@@TheVinylRecordMission thank you kindly. It's been a while since I made a video, but I've been getting the itch to. Appreciate you!
"This has been sealed with no oxygen" *clearly two hole punched in the bag from the factory 😉
Hi Larry. Yes I’m fully aware of the little punch holes dating back to the 50s cover baggies and early exteriors before “shrink” was even invented. My question is how much oxygen can really pass through a tight shrink wrap cover and does that oxygen even reach the vinyl and if so in what minute amount. Everything is still unproven. We are all only speculating. Some things are obvious while others are mysterious. Thanks for commenting 😉
@@TheVinylRecordMission As someone who pressed vinyl for Furnace, the company Metallica bought into, oxygen can definitely reach the record. The ghosting is from contact. If it was mainly from gassing off, the whole record would be covered in ghosting. Thanks for responding back.
@@crosswalklarry My pleasure. I appreciate your honesty. I’m grateful for any education I can get from others. I respect your experience and knowledge. ✌🏽
What about making the next video be, "How To Clean Hazing Off Vinyl Records" 😅
@@christothegreat1 🤔 That’s not a bad idea. Thanks for the great suggestion. ✌🏽
Steve
The acid in paper sleeves of the 60's does the same. I believe heat x moisture x time is the dreadful formula with these sleeves I have confidence rice paper MOFI inners are safe.
I agree with you that climate conditions play a huge role in the preservation of records over the long term. Thank you for watching and sharing your comment.
Steve
For their price they damn well better be safe
when are ya gonna do your Listen Up MoFo Lovers video?
😂😂 I was so close to titling it Mofi Mofos but I was afraid TH-cam police would strike lol. Great call on your part buddy! ✌🏽
Not sure it its true for other parts of the world but here in Australia buying a record in the 70's & 80's they were never sealed. You had to bring the jacket to the front counter where the staff member would reach out to a rack behind them and pull out the record and inner sleeve and visually chech before slipping it into the jacket and ringing it up for you to purchase. In many respects i wish they went back to that as it would save a lot of heartache with this sort of thing.
Wow. That’s the first time I’ve heard of such a thing. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to open a sealed record at the retailer before purchasing to make sure there are no defects. That was a pretty cool system. They had in Australia. Thanks for sharing that with us. We appreciate you watching and commenting. Cheers.
Steve
I've read of some collectors doing away with plastic sleeves entirely and replacing them with high quality paper sleeves. This is an opportunity for a manufacturer to produce an archival quality paper sleeve that won't scratch records.
@@DetroitStars According to my cousin who owns a record supply company acid free inner sleeves are just fine for records. He does recommend paper sleeves for records that are going to be played a lot resulting in the record being taken in and out of the sleeve many times. For archival purposes and occasional playing he recommends the acid free paper sleeves as an alternative and cost effective option to the HDPE Poly-lined sleeves. Thank you for watching and commenting.
I bought a 30 year old still sealed record. No worries about off gassing because I opened it up and played the life out of it. This is such a non issue that seems to keep coming up every 10 years or so. Off gasing will not deteriorate the grooves of the record. It might make it look milky but will sound as good as any newly purchased record.
Maybe there's different types of this happening because I have had a few records that were affected and had the vinyl cancer Ghosting and they were unlistenable.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 I agree. Every pressing plant has its own vinyl formula, which effects a plethora of things, and off gassing could be one of them.
@@scottgallagher5344
This is something that the big knobs in the vinyl production world need to address, because it seems everyone is now confused about what inner and outer sleeves are OK and what aren't and is the vinyl itself playing a part, in which case what vinyl should we avoid and what is OK?
It's a big can of worms
Scott what do say to the viewers who have actually experienced what you’re calling a “non issue”? Are they imagining things. Are they hearing things? For every one of you theirs 50 people who have left comments stating they have experience this and includes Frank @Channel33rpm. Just a simple fact.
Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission I want to hear a pre ghosting v ghosted. Same print from the same batch. Every pressing plant has a different formula for their vinyl they use. They also tweek that formula every now and then. All of these formulas affect the vinyl in a variety of ways. Exp: Melting and cooling times. These I believe are more of the issue then the sleeves gassing off.
Don't understand sealed records...if you aren't going to play the record why own it?
@@hipoint4599 It’s a first world problem. As I said in the video we buy HUGE collections and some have hundreds of sealed copies in them. We don’t actually collect sealed records it simply takes us time to decide on which ones to keep (and open) and which ones to sell. No other reasons. Thanks for watching and commenting. ✌🏽
Steve
Because sometimes you buy 1 to play and 1 to collect. Or you sell some years down the road to help keep the cost down on your hobby. Also different pressing are to be considered too. If you want easy, then just stream your music. But hearing the same complaint from someone who obviously doesn't get it, it jsut as annoying to us who do get.
@@Brian-qg8dg Are all you sealed record collectors so touchy I wasn't complaining I said I don't understand buying a record and not opening it. Still don't, but thanks for low key insulting me.
@hipoint4599 you weren't really asking questions, you are making rhetorical statements. It gets tiresome to read that type of comment. And if there was a true question in your comment, then you would of said something like, "how interesting" and not tossed back sarcastic remark
@@Brian-qg8dg Yeah ok you were sarcastic and said I was complaining but I'm the a-hole. Gotcha.
Hmm, I find this issue with sealed vinyl a strange one.
If you're a die hard collector of sealed records, you probably won't ever have any intention of cracking them open because ultimately you're buying for the collectability ( and/ or value) and not the sound quality. Unsealing will reduce it's value, so unless the vinyl record sleeve appears warped or damaged you will have no way to determine the condition??..a really odd conundrum indeed...I think this is why I will never collect sealed records.
Hi Robison. I agree with you. I’m into the records for listening reasons. I know some think it’s a great investment however if they are ruined after 40 years of being sealed what’s the purpose right? Good point about reduced value once opened. But a highly collectible opened record in mint condition will still fetch a high price. It’s a risky business. Thanks for watching and commenting. We appreciate your thoughts. ✌🏽
Steve
Newby here ...So, Are you saying not to use the mofi sleeves? If so, what shelves do you recommend? Or are the sleeves ok to use, but have a chemical reaction with the record, when the record is still sealed.
Hi Jason. It’s hard to say. I’m choosing to change out my mofi sleeves with the HDPE (High Density Polyethylene) inner sleeves I get from my cousin. Others have experienced off gassing with the mofi sleeves. The fact that I am now a witness to this phenomenon is enough for me to take precautionary measures. The inner sleeves you want to use are HDPE inner sleeves. I hope this helps. I could give you my cousin phone number if you like. He ships and he could answer more of your questions if you have any. Thank you for watching and commenting. ✌🏽
Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission MoFI inners are HDPE...
I was looking through my records after the last video I saw where you talked about ghosting.
So I noticed some of the old opened records I have with the original shrink on there is a film on my hands after handling them. Is it bad to keep the original shrink on? It seems like the album cover is being disintegrated by the shrink wrap. Can an album become ghosted by the outer shrink as well?
My albums are in a room, not anywhere where there is grease or smoke around them. That’s why I’m a bit puzzled by that film feeling on my hands after playing certain older albums.
Any info is appreciated. Thanks so much for letting us know about this issue.
Thanks for sharing. I usually remove the shrink wrap and place all my records in Japanese resealable plastic sleeves. If I was putting my records in outer sleeves I would probably leave the shrink on if the shrink was still in great condition. Hope this helps.
@@TheVinylRecordMission Thank you! It absolutely helps.
@@poetsdreamsatc What I meant to say was if I wasn’t putting my album in outer sleeves only then would I leave the shrink on as an extra layer of protection. I accidentally said if I “Was” . . . in the previous comment
@@TheVinylRecordMission oh I understand now. I agree that at least keep the shrink on if you don’t have sleeves. I’d much rather have the protective sleeves on my albums than the shrink wrap. I will leave the shrink on the album but inside the outer sleeves.
If there isn’t a hype sticker or original album price tag I will take off the shrink wrap.
Since watching your gassing videos I’m looking at each one of my albums now and getting good quality inner rice paper sleeves and outer sleeves.
Thank you for all the info! I appreciate it!
-Debbie
@@poetsdreamsatc Glad I could help Debbie. Happy collecting. ❤️
Hate when it happens when I open my flacs.
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Wait, there's no mental illness disorder in keeping sealed records? I thought the Cedars-Sinai t-shirt was a sign you had just escaped from the asylum - KIDDING - it's definitely time folks open their vinyl, especially anything made in the last 20 years as the manufacturers weren't as keen on all the materials (ie inner sleeve materials) being used and their long-term storage effects (clearly). Can't believe I'm advocating for paper sleeves indirectly, but from the manufacturing end...back then...would have been better. Just let me know when you break that window and escape the hospital next time, Big Chief! 🤣
Too funny! I didn’t see the connection between the mental illness comments and my wearing a Cedars Sinai T-shirt. Thanks for that! Hilarious!
When record manufacturers researched which materials to use him for inner sleeves I doubt that they took into consideration that the record would remained sealed for much longer than a few years. Their intent was for the records to be opened immediately after being purchased. That may have a lot to do with the inner sleeve issues. I’m going to need a lift 😂🤣
And here i was thinking the only off gassing I had to deal with was near the beans and ribs section at Golden Corral.. many thanks Steve! Edit: if anyone doesnt like the fact that i keep some sealed records I welcome them to come here and try n' unseal 'em👍😁 these records belong to me
Hahaha I love your edit suggestion! Thanks DBD, for indulging my gassy Dad jokes 😬. Appreciate you brother! ✌🏽
Steve
2:45 Wow, people are unpleasant sometimes. Unseal your records heathen! How dare you ;-)
@@Book-Mark 😬😂😂✌🏽
You "think" those outer sleeves offgas.
But do you "know?"
Be careful about making claims about things you "think" might be happening
Does anyone actually KNOW what inner and outer sleeves cause this?
Obviously the old heavy ugly PVC outer sleeves with the crinkled edges do but we really need a comprehensive list that is confirmed.
Typical MoFi quality, dodgy sleeves, covers falling apart, warped vinyl.
That company is DEAD to me
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 What’s up CPM! These sealed MOFI records came to me in a collection where I paid $1.50 for each record. The hazing/ghosting found on the Rickie Lee Jones record is what I’ve learned from experts like my cousin (who owns Far West Record Supply) to be known as off gassing.
You find in the comments that I’m not the only one who has experienced off gassing from MOFI inner sleeves. I would never spend good money for a MOFI. I have far more other titles to chase after. Thanks for commenting.
Steve
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I understand, but I'm referring to the outer sleeve (the ones with the perforation that you tear off) do you "know" they're causing vinyl cancer or do you "think" they are and just discarding them just in case?
This whole thing really needs to be addressed by the big knobs in the vinyl pressing game because it's not good enough that we're buying this stuff and having to guess what is safe and what isn't, the rubbish needs to be identified and removed from the industry entirely.
I have a pretty strong hatred towards Mofi, they intentionally lied for profit imo and when caught out tried to lie their way out of it before being forced to admit it, they can't be trusted again, but this is bigger than just Mofi.
We're at the point where we need clear labelling that the inner and outer sleeves are "Non Vinyl cancer approved"
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 oh I got you now. You’re the issue should be addressed big knobs. Maybe if they see enough of these videos lol and read all these comments they get off the spindle and do something. ✌🏽
Why would you keep a album sealed for 13 years? , these albums are meant to be listened to and enjoyed, why are record collectors so pretentious, I find it ridiculous.
@@robertbeam2 High Robert. I’m going to play Devil’s advocate here. Call them what you want. Judge them how you see fit.
They will only consider you just as pretentious and ridiculous for judging and criticizing them. It’s their money, their records, their reasons. BTW. I DID NOT buy this record 13 years ago. These were in a large collection I bought in 2023. It took me a while to get around to opening them. Not pretentious or ridiculous. Just is my friend.
Steve
People from certain political cult would just call you weird. 😂😉
😂😂 I’m honored
No, we'd just call you mentally ill for supporting a convicted felon and sex offender. That's extremely weird cult-like behavior, don't you think? 🤡
Well, supporting a convicted felon and sex offender is pretty weird don't you think?
Come on now any logical person can see the true cult. And this dude is weird