The Jesuits at Farm Street

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  • @robkeeleycomposer
    @robkeeleycomposer หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Have you considered visiting St Stephen’s Gloucester Road, where TS Eliot worshipped, and where he was a church warden?

    • @hereticatious
      @hereticatious  27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks for the suggestion - I sent them a mail.

  • @robertmiller1299
    @robertmiller1299 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Benedict founded the Ordinariate for which, as an ex-Anglican, I am very grateful.

    • @hereticatious
      @hereticatious  27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'm interested - is this what you mean en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Ordinariate_of_Our_Lady_of_Walsingham ?

  • @goldsburypeter116
    @goldsburypeter116 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I did not go to Farm Street. I was a Jesuit novice at Harlaxton and began my philosophy studies in France at Chantilly, in a Jesuit seminary called Les Fontaines. I returned to the UK and continued philosophy at Heythrop College in Oxfordshire. I left the Jesuits, but still have some Jesuit friends in Hiroshima, Japan, where I live now.

    • @minui8758
      @minui8758 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Harlaxton is a marvellous wedding cake of a place. And about one village over from my uncles cattle farm. Always remember mum alerting us to the building as we drove to his at Easter or Christmas visits

    • @Paul9443
      @Paul9443 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@goldsburypeter116 Interesting story and turn of events. Do you ever go back to the books you used at seminary?

    • @orchidorio
      @orchidorio หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good, and I hope you are feeling better.

  • @robkeeleycomposer
    @robkeeleycomposer หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A question; are Jesuits able to criticise the current Pope? I guess not. I had a lot of time for Pope Benedict, and a composer, I naturally sympathise with his love of music. Farm Street has both wonderful doctrine and wonderful music. I’m not yet a Roman Catholic but found the few services I attended very inspiring.

    • @hereticatious
      @hereticatious  27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I think they are - but I also think instinct means criticism is unlikely.

  • @Paul9443
    @Paul9443 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    2:56 The Chronicles of Breaking in the Habit might shed some light on this. (th-cam.com/video/-PCzAg8mU-4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=aIUZfpSsWNiDh0TR at 1:34) 😉😆

    • @Paul9443
      @Paul9443 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      So informative, I love it.
      16:41 Legend says, Hereticatious was arrested as soon as he left that Church. Luckily for us, he managed to get some footage out of prison. 😉😆

    • @maryc267
      @maryc267 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Paul9443 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thanks for the laughs. Can we crowdfund to get Hereticatious out of prison?

    • @Paul9443
      @Paul9443 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@maryc267 He will have my heartfelt prayers. ❤🙏😄

    • @hereticatious
      @hereticatious  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @Paul9443 I do seem to get locked up a lot - are you noticing a through line I hadn't?

    • @Paul9443
      @Paul9443 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hereticatious The line might be that, whether religious or not, the pursuit of truth, goodness and beauty might lead to martyrdom. (Apologies if the joke is inappropriate)

  • @coraquaid8079
    @coraquaid8079 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The church evolves! God help us into what that is heresy

    • @oliverclark5604
      @oliverclark5604 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The evolution is into having consecrated male female marriages vowed to God in the keeping in uncertainty of belief of their inseparability and qualitative equality with consecrated celibate marriages vowed to man in Christ. The groomed heresy is of not keeping this for groomed by diseased identities of 'familyist' family members occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate falsely purported presumed economic advantage for their families by tax exemption embezzlements and lower insurance cost by fraud.

    • @hereticatious
      @hereticatious  หลายเดือนก่อน

      See the name of the channel for more information :-)

    • @hereticatious
      @hereticatious  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @oliverclark5604 I'm familiar with all the words individually - but I'm afraid I can't quite understand this (at all). Can you dumb this down a bit? It would be nice to know if I violently disagree or agree with you (or am ambivalent).

    • @oliverclark5604
      @oliverclark5604 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@hereticatious It is the keeping in uncertainty of belief (not agree or disagree or as ambivalent) of the inseparability and qualitative equality of an insuring individual identity in need of union and a group's ensuring procreation gift roles.
      So, in uncertainty of my belief, for me, understanding this is not necessary, in fact it is undesirable as contributing to a "worldwide catastrophe" (Pope Francis, 10 June 2021) of purporting presuming in Pope Francis' self-groomed error by his identity in need of union of his procreation gift roles as "sacramental" "the great majority of ... marriages ... [as] invalid" (Pope Francis, 16 June 2016).
      That is unless the translation from Pope Francis' Italian missed his denying that marriage is a sacrament given the circumstances in the C11th AD when marriage was first asserted in error by groomed gift roman catholic clergy roles to be a sacrament.
      I enjoyed reading "The Chronicles of Breaking in the Habit" to which you referred as having associated together with all three of these gift roles - identity need groups as purporting presuming their vocations are as in present moment real presence consecrated celibate roles - identity married by vows to man in Christ.
      I avoid seeking to know as in deliberately false grooming purported presumed certainty (cf. Genesis 3:5) of procreation gift roles by diseased identities in need of union.
      The statistical work on thinking procreation gift roles and the having faith in identity in need of union in keeping in uncertainty of belief their inseparability and qualitative equality was done for "inseparable" (Humanae Vitae, 1968, 12: "marriage has two inseparable aspects") at the Oxford University, UK Institute of Agricultural Economics from 1953 by its Director, my father Colin Clark, in his consenting to be joined in a consecrated male female marriage from just prior to my conception in c. May 1946.
      In late 1964, my father advised simultaneously the UNO Food and Agricultural Organisation and Pope St Paul VI's Commission on Population of his finding of "just about paripassu rate of growth of population and food supplies in the developing countries", that is, as "inseparable" as taught in Pope St Paul V1's Encyclical Letter "Of Human Life", Humanae Vitae, 1968, 12 as "marriage has two inseparable aspects: union and procreation".
      This was as completed by me under direction of the Pope's Council for the Laity Vice President, Bishop Paul Cordes', letter addressing me to the Brisbane, Australia Our Lady of The Rosary parish I served as a catechist asking its contents be communicated to me.
      This completion by me was for 'qualitative equality' from 1991-2021 in a consecrated male female marriage until the death of my wife on 1 November 2017 then in a consecrated celibate marriage as a reference point for Pope Francis's consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ on 17 June 2021 in his keeping in uncertainty of his belief its inseparability and qualitative equality with consecrated male female marriage vowed to God in:
      (a) his Vatican state case of embezzlements by ten of its helpers of the family, including Cardinal Angelo Becciu,
      (b) simultaneously in the case of the Italian Parliament "Zan" anti-homophobia bill as an unacceptable risk of fraud on his identity in need of union in his consecrated celibate marriage.

  • @maryc267
    @maryc267 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I'm going to spend all day wondering which present-day liar Titus Oates reminds you of!

    • @Paul9443
      @Paul9443 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Let us know the fruits of that contemplation. 😉😆

    • @maryc267
      @maryc267 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Paul9443 🤣

    • @minui8758
      @minui8758 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I’d have thought it might be someone orange and bombastic

    • @robkeeleycomposer
      @robkeeleycomposer หลายเดือนก่อน

      Keir Starmer, surely.

  • @terrytzaneros8007
    @terrytzaneros8007 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The Loretto Sisters founded by Bl. Mary Ward are the closest thing to “Jesuitesses” and have even been referred to as such.

    • @Paul9443
      @Paul9443 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@terrytzaneros8007 Cool, I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing. 🙂

    • @hereticatious
      @hereticatious  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Very interesting. Bar Convent is now (another) reason to visit York

    • @oliverclark5604
      @oliverclark5604 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@hereticatious I visited the Bar Convent in York, UK in 2010 to question Loreto Order Sr Agatha about my wife, Jane, who she taught in Oxford, UK from 1960-65.

  • @aleksandarjovcic
    @aleksandarjovcic หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What am I watching?

    • @cecilefox9136
      @cecilefox9136 หลายเดือนก่อน

      An interesting programme.

    • @hereticatious
      @hereticatious  หลายเดือนก่อน

      My rule of thumb is - if someone says something interesting to me - keep it in. What are you watching? You are watching me outline the vast landscape of my ignorance. Stick with me - it's a wild ride.

  • @jimmys6566
    @jimmys6566 หลายเดือนก่อน

    8:05 Francis is hardly the best Pope for this time

    • @minui8758
      @minui8758 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If Catholicism is true it’s certain that God thinks he is even if we may not always get why

    • @jimmys6566
      @jimmys6566 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @minui8758 So were the anti-popes right for their times?

    • @Paul9443
      @Paul9443 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@jimmys6566 I, personaly, think Pope Francis is the best Pope for our time. I'd love one day to go to Rome and see him, at least once.
      It might be worth reading his encyclicals, praying, and cutting off scandalous sources of information.

    • @jimmys6566
      @jimmys6566 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Paul9443 You ought to read the encyclicals, brother. The church is clear that we cannot vote for socialsts, yet you did that. See Rerum Novarum 1891

    • @minui8758
      @minui8758 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jimmys6566 no. The Holy Spirit didn’t elect them. He did indisputably elect Francis. I saw the white smoke, saw him take possession of the Lateran, and can see there are no obvious rivals for the role. I’d have to be a sedevacantist (ie a brand of high church Protestant) to believe he wasn’t Pope. Which is even worse than being high church Lutheran or Anglican because it implies that death and hell actually have prevailed against the Church contra Jesus’s promise.

  • @oliverclark5604
    @oliverclark5604 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A jesuit as pope as both jesuit and pope as procreation gift helper of the family justice roles and Sacred Heart devotion emphasising mercy as an identity in need of union as inseparable and qualitatively equal with justice as procreation gift roles is an evolution.
    This evolution allows understanding that consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ as consented to be joined in by Pope Francis is inseparable and qualitatively equal with consecrated male female marriage vowed to God.
    The keeping in uncertainty of belief of this understanding withstands extreme tensions caused by occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate, grooming with falsely purporting presuming "higher vocation" (TTMHS, PCF, 1995, 35, cf. "opinion" of St Paul at 1Cor7:25-34) of:
    (a) procreation gift roles to identity in need of union,
    (b) consecrated celibate roles to consecrated male female roles,
    for economic advantage of helper of the family roles by this grooming misrepresented as identity in need of union by tax exemption embezzlements and lower insurance cost by fraud.
    This keeping in uncertainty of belief was by Pope Francis's consecrated celibate marriage on 17 June 2021 by its ensuring in the case of embezzlements of its procreation role gift charity donations by ten of its Vatican state procreation role gift helpers of the family, including Cardinal Angelo Becciu, misrepresented as identities in need of union and its having insurance cover in the case of an unacceptable risk of fraud on its identity in need of union by its falsely purporting presuming lower cost of insurance by the Italian Parliament "Zan" anti-homophobia bill.
    This correction by Pope Francis's consecrated celibate marriage of misrepresenting procreation gift roles as a higher vocation to identity in need of union out occulted this occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate, economic advantage.