Sound for Video Session: ZOOM F8n Pro Setup & Q&A
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ส.ค. 2024
- In this week's session, we run through the ZOOM F8n Pro's menus to solve common questions and issues. Then we answer your sound for video questions.
If you’d like to learn how to make great dialogue audio for your film and video projects, please have a look at my courses at school.learnlightandsound.com including processing dialogue audio in Adobe Audition and DaVinci Resolve/Fairlight, recording sound, how to use the Zoom F4, F6, F8, and F8n, and how to get the most from the Sound Devices MixPre series of recorders. We have a course on sound for live-streaming with the ATEM Mini and just added Introduction to Izotope RX for Dialogue Audio.
Gear I often use or that we mentioned in this episode. The links below are Amazon.com, B&H Photo, Sweetwater, DVE Store, Waves, or other affiliate links. As an affiliate, I earn from qualifying purchases:
- ZOOM F8n Pro 32-bit float audio recorder - B&H, Sweetwater, Amazon geni.us/fdkN4s
- ZOOM F6 32-bit float audio recorder - B&H, Sweetwater, Amazon geni.us/pCFS
- Mackie DLZ Creator - B&H, Amazon geni.us/42KrX0
- Earthworks ETHOS microphone - B&H, Sweetwater, Amazon geni.us/8G8UdBB
- Sound Devies 888 field recorder/mixer - Trew, B&H, Sweetwater geni.us/zAryW4J
- Sound Devices MixPre II Series Recorders - B&H, Sweetwater, Amazon geni.us/O8e0
- Panasonic GH5 camera - B&H, Amazon geni.us/InspOl
- Canon C200 Camera - B&H geni.us/9Zi4m4a
- Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 lens - B&H, Amazon geni.us/kZyU7e
- ATEM Mini Extreme & Extreme ISO - B&H, DVE Store, Amazon geni.us/b8my
- Allen & Heath SQ5 Digital Mixer - B&H, Sweetwater, Amazon geni.us/sRxFU90
- Rupert Neve Designs Shelford Channel, pre-amp, EQ, compressor - Sweetwater, B&H geni.us/9ZfE77
- Universal Audio 6176 channel strip pre-amp, EQ, compressor - B&H, Sweetwater, Amazon geni.us/505L55n
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Copyright 2023, Curtis Judd
00:00 Start
02:49 Beginning of stream
03:20 Agenda
03:48 All about the Zoom F8n/Pro
24:14 Separating lav and boom mics
27:35 Setting up Mid/Side mics
29:29 F8 vs MixPre
35:22 The best phone mics
38:16 Batteries for various recorders
43:50 Making upgrades
46:06 More on Zoom vs MixPre
49:46 How to name tracks
52:23 Details of analog vs digital
56:52 Replacement for F-Control
57:34 THEOS digital wireless hype
58:02 F4 preamps in 2023
1:00:25 Good bag for F8?
1:03:21 External control surfaces
1:04:16 End of stream
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Just like a condensed refresher on your course. Thank you. Been using my F8n Pro for over a year. Good to have a reminder of extra features I don’t use daily. Your course gave me the solid start I needed and I have not regretted either purchase for a minute.
Thanks, glad you found it helpful!
Great session even for a Saturday! My original Mix Pre 3 is still doing just fine but I still enjoy learning about the later models. I will definitely go look at the Fairlight course updates. Have a great week!
Thanks, Joe, you too!
You can change the Track names without the app in Metadata. One thing is you can’t actually hear the tracks if they aren’t armed even if you are prefader, it effectively turns them off too. It’s a bit of a downer because I have a talkback system that essentially has to be recorded ISO (I have the fader down so it doesn’t go in the mix). So far Post hasn’t complained since it is in a track called COMMS.
I’ve used the F8n with the F Control and my Wisycoms MCR54 for a few films, commercials and other work. It’s a fantastic device, selling point to me over the Mix Pre series was that the slate mic can be used as a private line and have more outputs. I use the sub out for video village with Comteks, M1 going to a MTP40 for my boom op with a MPR50 IFB, M2 output on a different MTP40 for my utility. Definitely trying to upgrade to a Sound Devices 888 and the CL16 (though a mentor is trying to push me to a Scorpio).
Thanks for everything Curtis, your channel is a huge help and this video will be sent to my utility if I can’t make it on set. I do have an issue with the F8n about how their folders are implemented that has caused one Post team a lot of grief 😅. But they put up with it because they said we were handing them some of the cleanest audio they’ve heard. So for sure you can get some awesome sound from this device!
Thanks for clarifying, Freddie.
Another great video. Thanks. I bought an F8n Pro a few days ago actually, based largely on your previous coverage of the device. It's a fine machine, if a little unintuitive at first - rather too many options for "mixing" control that I'll probably never need, being a multitrack DAW user, and which adds a tad amount of confusion (fader, trim, level, gain...uhh... the knobs do what??? 😄). But you develop the intellectual muscle memory soon enough, and it's working out fine. One thing I did have to invest in were some third party caps for the knobs. Personal ergonomics. My fingers are too chunky for the little pots to be operated easily. Tricky. The Zoom F6 got that design aspect right. The caps are on order, so we'll see. Thanks again, and good luck with your projects!
Thanks @HeathcliffBlair, and all the best to you!
I am have just got my Zoom F8n pro, so learning how to use it. With the fader buttons what i don't understand is you can go 'Positive', is this effectively like gain on the mix ?
Hi Curtis! Caught the replay. Awesome content 😎
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First time i see curtiss say something wrong lol . The mixer mode is different u can select if the knobs control trim fader or pan, u select this with the main knob.. actually is the only mode that let u pan with out the controller or the app... Still curtiss is the best un tutorials on youtube 🙌
Thanks for the correction.
that is an amazing looking screen
It is!
Hi Curtis, did you already talk anywhere about the different charging options of the F8n pro? I'm a bit lost with that and I can't decide which solution is best for me.
In my course we talk about it, yes. But the short answer is that I use the hirose input with a cine battery.
Sad I missed this one! Anyone have anything valuable to add regarding live streaming and the f8n pro?
Seems like a fine choice for streaming. Happy to answer any specific questions.
sending love and peace to everyone...
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Hello Soundies, I currently don't own an F-series, but I've been thinking about it. I'm using sound devices 633, but I'm contemplating getting an F-series, Zoom, and an F-controller. I have a quick question: Can the Zoom and the controller be used together with the app, or do I have to choose between using the F-controller or the app? Any guidance would be appreciated as I make my decision.
Late but you can use both at the same time. I love the Zoom F8n and F Control so rarely use the app.
@curtisjudd Hi Curtis, what do you think about the Deity Theos? Will you be reviewing them?
I will be reviewing them once they arrive. I placed my pre-order.
Hey Curtis, I recently bought the Fn8 pro and have now had my first use. I had on channel 1 the boom and on channel a lavalier. I had set the trim to +35db on both because the input signal was very low. After the recording I wanted to listen to it again and suddenly everything was totally overdriven. I got a fright and when I played it again on the computer, everything sounded normally controlled again. What exactly could be the reason for this?
My headphone settings were both on postfade L/R.
Dearest greetings and thank you very much!
Hi Hannah, Hard to tell, but I assume you checked the volume knob?
Unfortunately yes :/ but thanks a lot for your fast answer :)
Is this yours new livestream time? This time is total reserved for the unify education since more than 10 years…
No, just today.
12:01 pretty sure Curtis did switch from Fader mode into Trim mode... you can see the selector change.
40:00 yes, leaving these one does consume more power. While it may be negligible in the short term, even if it saves you 5-10 minutes over the course of a full day that's a savings nonetheless. As the unit is using any sort of assist, mix or noise, the electronics are doing more processing. Because physics, more load on the CPU means it needs more power.
On the Zoom, leaving tracks armed but no mic or gain does draw power too - it is still recording an empty track. That extra file or channel on the poly again means more processing which means more power. Again, probably not much but can add up eventually.
50:05 you can name the tracks on the unit too - STOP + 2. I keep popping into that because I remember the F4 shortcut to scene name.
Thanks for sharing, Chris.
its possible reduce noise room with zoom f8?
The F8 does not have a built-in noise reduction feature. You can look to the Sound Devices MixPre for that: th-cam.com/video/zsIZPBxdhfE/w-d-xo.html