I couldn't help it.... There it was just sitting there. The Chimera 4 with the deadcat frame (that no one seems to do a review on), 1404~ 3800kv motors (which you suggested) and I added crossfire with the immortal T. My antenna is not the super long one that people typically use but I think it'll do the trick. I've been so interested in someone doing a review on this with this combination in a comparison to the flywoo but never found one. But I'm no where near the pilot it takes to call myself doing a review, lol. However, I will do my best to learn as I only have a few months experience with a tinyhawk 2 freestyle and went straight to this. I got 2, 4s 850 and 2 1050 batteries for it so I can put some work in. Wish me luck gentlemen.
I love the 4" lr category. I recently got back into fpv from a 6 year break. All my gear was basically obsolete. Bought the eachind novice4 kit and I'm hooked again. Got a mobula 6 and 4" croc coming in the mail
same, i really wished i i had bought that iflight ix4 frame, i have it in 5 but its acro squished x so strong but also 39 grams, which is crazy light for the strength you get.
Last time I flew a 4 inch quad, it was the Shendrones Tweaker. People ran it on 4S with 2204 motors, and you'd be lucky to get over 2 minutes of flight. My god how far we've come
Love it! Fixing to fly mine! Bardwell is such an amazing person and a huge asset to this community! Soon as I can get my channel making a lil income I’ll definitely be signing up for his Patreon! I love this community! Thanks for being the realest down to earth quad guy on the platform! All love and respect!
I bought it, and I am glad I took it! it flies well, and is more of a mini freestyle. but can go far, no worries. and after testing the Explorer. for the angle of the camera, they made another hole to make it more flat. also, for the round protector for the camera lens, you just have to push it down to the bottom ..;) and have nothing to see in the video feedback;)
been flying a custom built 3" iflight DC3 Titan with Caddx vista for about 5 months - lots of mid range (3km+) mountain, forest , ocean flying, but low flight times with 850. The 4" deadcat version of the Chimera looks like a larger version of the DC3 - Just ordered this to convert to 4" props to extend flight times - IMHO proper long range needs some power - so 3800kv is great - smaller motors just wont get you home if its windy - better to have some gas in the tank and ability to push through
Great review! I just picked this guy up myself but have been waiting for some warmer weather before I fly. Great tips on some of those settings....always appreciated! Slight 'mis-speak' at 16:45 (you stated correctly earlier in video). Those are 3800kv motors (not 3700kv)...I got the 3800kv motors as well.
I just built my own Chimera4 with my own Mamba F7 stack and the 3800kv motors. With regards to the FPV camera angle the TPU mount I got has a lot more adjustability. I can fly negative tilt to 45 degrees!
Finally build mine... only difference was the stack i used HGLRC FD435 STACK FORWARD F4MINI FC AND 35A ESC only cuz i had it laying around... kinda wish i would of used the original so i would gett the pid tunes.. but i put a 1500mah 4s and wow you can really sling her around..
We were doing this years ago, designed our own frames to be a 4inch atom with 1707, or 1806 motors 2500kv. So quiet, but we only had dal bull nose in 4inch. We would get 10 mins flight time with 850mah 4s and still had punch. Now with the new motors and better props will be sweet, I have a gecko 4inch with 2700kv tmotor 1507, vista. It’s a nice build on 4s and 3s
Easy solution for the dji tpu mount. Cut 2 sides of the dji tpu mount (so it's not a full circle). This allows it to fit between the post and fit all the way on camera. then you don't see the circle in your FPV feed. It still provides protection for the dji cam vs having no tpu mount.
I went to 3.5in Advan triblades to help deal with vibration issues of biblades. 3700kv on 3s is a fair cruising setup with 18650 VTC6 3s and 20minutes landing at 3.2 volts is easy. I dont fly below 2.8v when in the air due to voltage sag being very quick. 3v in the air you should be close to home, 2.8v and it is time to get on the ground but need to figure out how to land. Havent gone to 4s 18650 due to weight penalty. 4s lithium polymer works pretty well for acro on various 3.5in builds I have done.
I thought the higher kv motors were so you can run lower voltage to get the weight under 250g while using high capacity Li-Ion. Like 2s 18650 packs. Not sure free style was a part of the conversation when those motors were put in the package. I didn’t read all the comments so I’m sure this is an echo. Thanks JB for all your help past and future
All I can say is, in all my conversations with iFlight in preparation for this review, that was never mentioned. Lower voltage does not mean lower weight. You can just use a higher voltage battery of the same watt-hours and the weight will be about the same.
@@JoshuaBardwell Well I guess I’m way off. I appreciate your quick response as always. I’m currently building 2 long range 4”. One with 1606 3200kv and a vista that will run 3-4s 18650 packs and one with 1404 3850kv and nebula (under 250g goal) that will run 2s 18650. I guess I’ll see how they work out.
Highly recommend putting the likes of the Chimera 4 or Explorer 4 on tri props. Haven't noticed a significant drop in flight time but has given me enough thrust to be a lot more aggressive :)
Thanks for your detailed & informative (as usual) review of this product Joshua. So impressed by the specs and Raceday's prices I ordered 1 from the link you provided (I hope so anyway). You deserve your cut, hope you get it too. The video you did about their fighting the RID issue actually pushed me over the ledge I was barely holding on to also. After checking around for comparison prices, it was an easy separation of the $$$ from my wallet lol. Eagerly awaiting delivery.
Have a Chimera 7 HD 1300KV. Love it. Am surprised how nimble it is flying fpv too. For slow gentle, yet spirited cinematic, it rocks! Going to get this little brother asap.
I like how the manufactures are 'Jumping on the train' but getting it wrong. 4 inch quads are supposed to be 3 inch quads with a larger prop, but they keep adding weight and TPU etc on and the performance of the quad suffers. Also motor size wise at least 16xx and above 3000kv.
Cost of the DJI version being double is pretty significant here. DJI still hasn't met one of your 2018 predictions for HD being really practical, i.e. it still isn't affordable. Having the video system cost as much as the entire rest of the quad is a high price indeed, especially for a long range model that is more likely to be lost. Regardless I wish they had sent an analog model as vtx quality will be key on the analog version.
For the battery pad, I use the custom one and trim out U-Grip to the same size. Granted, if not being aggressive (LR quads), I usually use cheap pads on the quad.
To reference that lense protection, prevention is always more agreeable than a cure. It's better than nothing and you don't have to use, just another example of I-flight using some forward thinking.
With my flying level/style I still get a solid 6 to 8 minutes on a 850 4s. Thats more then enough for me. I tend to land and they pop right up to storage voltage
Hi. Thank you for such descriptive review. Question: why do pilots really into the hobby would be worry about surpassing the 250gr rule if they are possibly experienced pilots already for recreational purposes? Simply too lazy to add registration tags to the drone's body?
I have a naked GoPro and ordered a kit from betafpv that had a shell and bec with power cable. My question is where on this quad can I wire the three wires for power. I think the yellow wire was so you could start rec in mid flight. I’ll end up pulling that wire and just using red and black for power. Thanks.
I have the Explorer LR but I think GepRC might be the best for what it does.. but if u want one with more power and speed chimera with 3800Kv the way to go..
Hey Josh love your vid's and appreciate your knowledge about this stuff. I have a question about the KV motors for Chimera. I'm looking to build or buy a 4". Would it be feasible with the 3KV motors if I wanted to an acro quad why not just get the 3K motor and swap in a 5s or 6s and if I wanted to go long range then swap in a LiOn 4s? Doesn't the FC support 3-6s? Wouldn't this be the better option? What am I missing?
So i have the BetaFPV kit for about 2 weeks now and i really enjoy the FPV hobby. Would this drone be a pick-up for me now? I'd like to get into acro/freestyle a bit but also be able to film my friends snowboarding - just chasing stuff...
Thanks for your videos - I watch all of them. All very informative and educational. You might have already mentioned it but what was the vtx antenna on this quad? Also, what do you recommend as a vtx antenna for long range flight?
People running the VTC6 cells shpuld realize that the constant current draw rating is more of a 15amp range. The 30amp rating should be considered more of a burst rating. Properly testing for amp draw and finding throttle position is likely a good idea. Possibly invest in an amp meter for in line testing on the BF motors tab to find throttle % and then have your OSD show throttle % if you cannot get current draw in the OSD. Something to consider with DJI and some of the limited OSD output options they have versus the Analog guys.
I am thinking about Flywoo they just released new updated Frame: EXPLORER LR 4'' FRAME KIT V2 and also Lionpack 18650 3000mAh SONY VTC6 4S 14.8V 4S1P XT30 Batteries, which seems very interesting to me :D I can't wait for comparison video :D
@@karoo_bushman6880 I've seemed to get more flight time from the HQ the Gemfan has a wider blade and is more aggressive overall, I do think it fly's a bit better though if you don't care about an extra minute or two on a 15-20 minute flight. I have the nazguls just haven't got around to testing, I also want to try out some tri gemfan 4023 and HQ 4020 I think the HQ might be perfect for what I want just won't have the speed for real long range.
I have mine on the way Monday hopefully! also took the higher KV. I'm aiming on a "semi" all round there i'm not a hardcore acro pilot but like my loopy loops and rolls :) . I hope the battery life will be solid ex. 8min that would be great. Took the whole package witch frame should i use ? maybe the true X better for all round ??
Hey Joshua, thanks for your videos, I find them really helpful and engaging! 🤩 I just start my journey and 2 days ago got my chimera 4, but without crossfire pre installed. I'll go to solder it as soon as I get the soldering station, but still curious about the current setup. Vista has an antenna attached, but is this the antenna I have to connect before powering the drone? I cant see any other antenna connectors on flystack (betaflight).What do you think? Thanks!
Seems ideal for me. I like good range first, tricks second. Is this a good "bigger quad" for someone who just flies tinyhawks and okay at flying? I use a taranis x lite rc.
I have no idea how you got it with the vista, it looks like it is only available with the nebula. When you want to use a naked gopro, you will always be above 250g, which doesn't make sense, if this is one of your top priorities. How does the flight characteristics compare to a 5" quad like the nazgul 5?
Great vid! So would this be the best frame to fly between Freestyle & long-range. I'm looking for a 3.5/4" build that can do a bit of both as 5" is a bit too much 😅
Hi Joshua! Great review, helps to define which one to order, but when do you plan to do Catalyst and Diatone? Still want to check those before making up my mind...
Joshua Bardwell I don't like the stock props do you think these will work for free style ,Emax Avan Scimitar 3528 3.5x2.8x3 3.5 Inch? I have 3000kv motors it was on sale.
Just thought if it's possible/ worth a try to use for example 3s for cruise and 4s for a bit more freestyle? Especially if you wanna travel and don't carry that many quads.
@JB Gorgeous scenery you were flying over. But, I'm curious...would you hoof up those hills and through all those trees to recover the quad if it went down? Or save yourself the misery and take the loss out of pocket? :p
How much less does the analog version weigh than the DJI version? That might be valuable to help get under the 250g limit while having decent size batteries.
Great video as always and I am learning something from your video all the time :-). I want to get your opinion on the Li-Ion battery for the long range quad like the Chimera 4" or the Explorer LR. Do you suggest I need to adjust the power level options in Betaflight configurator to reflex the Li-iOn per cell voltage? I flown my explorer LR with 4S Li-Ion without adjusting the power option in BF and the Explorer dropped from the sky when the battery voltage hits 3.5v per cell. My warming voltage is set to 3.4 and minimum voltage is set to 3.2 currently. Thank you in advance.
Betaflight won't disarm due to low voltage. I do suggest changing the Warning threshold. To 3. 0v of flying lithium Ion but only to stop the beeping. It has no effect on flight.
Hi Joshua: I have been going through all of your videos (Damn you have a lot) and have been learning more than I thought there was to know. (No surprise there) I'm trying to decide between 5 and 6 inch because I think 4" won't do well in my environment. (Windy) It will be FPV with goggles and I'm building around the F760 Flight Controller. What would your recommend for a frame, (between likely Tyro 119 and Tyro 129 or equivalent). I've traditionally gone with heavier motors, but I'm really curious about which motor / battery combination would give me really good distance (with Crossfire) and smooth flight for filming.
Tyro129 is an ok choice if you want to go with 6" or 7" props. It's very budget quality so don't expect it to last too long but it is okay while it's flying. If you have the budget, you will get much better results out of higher quality gear.
Unfortunately, Vista have been out of stock for months so manufacturers have started switching to Vista. I kind of wonder if that was Caddx's plan all along.
Would are some betaflight PID tuning tips for these type of builds? Video is a bit shake in windy conditions in my case. 3800kv analog < 250 gr with naked gopro
@Joshua Bardwell Would you see more effect from the larger motors if you used an 80C+ battery pack on each of the drones vs the 20C LiON long-range battery (loving the fall colors!)
Hi, what about flying this 6S. Won't this give it more power? Togheter with 3800kv should give it crazy power. FC can take 2-6S? Is therr some other problem with 6s?
Joshua, my flywoo Explorer falls out of the sky on every flight just cruising around. The motors just turn off. Bit rate 50.8 so no failsafe? It will not rearm until I recycle the power. Does this sound like a bad ESC or flight controller or Vista?
Hello JB, is it possible to use 4s 1300mha on this quad? If yes, should i use an adapter xt30 to xt60 or soldering an xt60 directly to the flightcontroler? Thank you master.
I use my geprc baby crocodile 4 with some batteries ranging from 750mah xt30 to 1500mah xt60, I just put an adapter to the battery. So I can use that battery for my 5 inch as well. Recently I bought 2 1100 batteries xt60 and will see if they last reasonably ok for the 5inch, if not I'll solder convert them to xt30. I've done that to a battery I bought with xt60 I soldered to xt30 and it had been working normally for about a year.
I'm looking to get my first FPV quad, and I'm trying to find one that does acro AND somewhat LR. Is the Chimera4 what I'm looking for? I have been heavily advised to get the Nazgul5 HD V2 6S, however I feel that it's a tad more freestyle oriented. I'd love to be able to do some acro, but also fly out some distance. It sounds like the Chimera4 with smaller and larger batteries would be a better pick than the Nazgul5?
The main limitation on the Nazgul range will be its battery life. The chimera can fly much longer because it's lighter. So I think your logic is basically sound.
@@JoshuaBardwell Thanks a lot for responding and really doing gods work for educating newcomers like me! I'll do some more practice around your house in Liftoff while I'm waiting for the quad to arrive :)
Hi Joshua, i was wondering why there are only 30x30 fcs on your ultimate shopping list. cant you recommend any 20x20? The talon f7 for example looks great. Can i use the caddx vista with that fc?
Jb only likes 30x30, he aint sold on 20x20, but he flies w gopro weight n turtles hard, i fly w DJI dvr & dont lol so 0 issues w $50 20x20 35a 6s stacks on 4s. W a cap....well over a year, but hear the talons are bullet proof even on 6s
Wich one do you think has more power, the 4inch with 3800kv or the 5inch with 2550kv. And wich one would be better for acting with my insta360 one R on board?
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Was anyone else like... SUPER impressed with the distance this little thing covered?
I couldn't help it.... There it was just sitting there. The Chimera 4 with the deadcat frame (that no one seems to do a review on), 1404~ 3800kv motors (which you suggested) and I added crossfire with the immortal T. My antenna is not the super long one that people typically use but I think it'll do the trick. I've been so interested in someone doing a review on this with this combination in a comparison to the flywoo but never found one. But I'm no where near the pilot it takes to call myself doing a review, lol. However, I will do my best to learn as I only have a few months experience with a tinyhawk 2 freestyle and went straight to this. I got 2, 4s 850 and 2 1050 batteries for it so I can put some work in. Wish me luck gentlemen.
How did you get on mate? 😎
I love the 4" lr category. I recently got back into fpv from a 6 year break. All my gear was basically obsolete. Bought the eachind novice4 kit and I'm hooked again. Got a mobula 6 and 4" croc coming in the mail
same, i really wished i i had bought that iflight ix4 frame, i have it in 5 but its acro squished x so strong but also 39 grams, which is crazy light for the strength you get.
Last time I flew a 4 inch quad, it was the Shendrones Tweaker. People ran it on 4S with 2204 motors, and you'd be lucky to get over 2 minutes of flight. My god how far we've come
Love it! Fixing to fly mine! Bardwell is such an amazing person and a huge asset to this community! Soon as I can get my channel making a lil income I’ll definitely be signing up for his Patreon! I love this community! Thanks for being the realest down to earth quad guy on the platform! All love and respect!
I bought it, and I am glad I took it! it flies well, and is more of a mini freestyle. but can go far, no worries. and after testing the Explorer.
for the angle of the camera, they made another hole to make it more flat.
also, for the round protector for the camera lens, you just have to push it down to the bottom ..;) and have nothing to see in the video feedback;)
been flying a custom built 3" iflight DC3 Titan with Caddx vista for about 5 months - lots of mid range (3km+) mountain, forest , ocean flying, but low flight times with 850. The 4" deadcat version of the Chimera looks like a larger version of the DC3 - Just ordered this to convert to 4" props to extend flight times - IMHO proper long range needs some power - so 3800kv is great - smaller motors just wont get you home if its windy - better to have some gas in the tank and ability to push through
Great review! I just picked this guy up myself but have been waiting for some warmer weather before I fly. Great tips on some of those settings....always appreciated! Slight 'mis-speak' at 16:45 (you stated correctly earlier in video). Those are 3800kv motors (not 3700kv)...I got the 3800kv motors as well.
This might be the ideal quad for me. I enjoy flying "long range" and I also enjoy doing tricks.
I just built my own Chimera4 with my own Mamba F7 stack and the 3800kv motors. With regards to the FPV camera angle the TPU mount I got has a lot more adjustability. I can fly negative tilt to 45 degrees!
Awesome cruising pall. love that freedom flying. I feel so relaxed when cruising around.
Finally build mine... only difference was the stack i used HGLRC FD435 STACK FORWARD F4MINI FC AND 35A ESC only cuz i had it laying around... kinda wish i would of used the original so i would gett the pid tunes.. but i put a 1500mah 4s and wow you can really sling her around..
We were doing this years ago, designed our own frames to be a 4inch atom with 1707, or 1806 motors 2500kv. So quiet, but we only had dal bull nose in 4inch. We would get 10 mins flight time with 850mah 4s and still had punch.
Now with the new motors and better props will be sweet, I have a gecko 4inch with 2700kv tmotor 1507, vista. It’s a nice build on 4s and 3s
Easy solution for the dji tpu mount. Cut 2 sides of the dji tpu mount (so it's not a full circle). This allows it to fit between the post and fit all the way on camera. then you don't see the circle in your FPV feed. It still provides protection for the dji cam vs having no tpu mount.
I went to 3.5in Advan triblades to help deal with vibration issues of biblades. 3700kv on 3s is a fair cruising setup with 18650 VTC6 3s and 20minutes landing at 3.2 volts is easy. I dont fly below 2.8v when in the air due to voltage sag being very quick. 3v in the air you should be close to home, 2.8v and it is time to get on the ground but need to figure out how to land.
Havent gone to 4s 18650 due to weight penalty. 4s lithium polymer works pretty well for acro on various 3.5in builds I have done.
Diatone LR f4 just came out, I would love to see your input on this as well.
only holds the nebula. looks great tho i built a roma5 and love it. new diatone frames haves great detailing
Amazing Job Josh. This hobby would not be the same without you.
So colorful over the tree tops. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the reviews and shootout. 🤓
I thought the higher kv motors were so you can run lower voltage to get the weight under 250g while using high capacity Li-Ion. Like 2s 18650 packs. Not sure free style was a part of the conversation when those motors were put in the package. I didn’t read all the comments so I’m sure this is an echo. Thanks JB for all your help past and future
All I can say is, in all my conversations with iFlight in preparation for this review, that was never mentioned. Lower voltage does not mean lower weight. You can just use a higher voltage battery of the same watt-hours and the weight will be about the same.
@@JoshuaBardwell
Well I guess I’m way off. I appreciate your quick response as always. I’m currently building 2 long range 4”. One with 1606 3200kv and a vista that will run 3-4s 18650 packs and one with 1404 3850kv and nebula (under 250g goal) that will run 2s 18650. I guess I’ll see how they work out.
@@ravfpv6201 Also interested in flying this on 2s 18650 on 1404 3800kv for crousin. Anyone tried this out? Afraid 2s voltage is too low
Highly recommend putting the likes of the Chimera 4 or Explorer 4 on tri props. Haven't noticed a significant drop in flight time but has given me enough thrust to be a lot more aggressive :)
How much TPU do you want on your Quad?
iFlight: Yes.
what's TPU?
Seany TPU is a flexible plastic often used for 3d printing. For example the ends of the arms of the quad are 3d printed from that.
@@seanybabyz flexible 3d printed parts
I'm sold on the 3800kv waiting on RDQ for mine and the free awsome battery strap so nice 👌
Thanks for your detailed & informative (as usual) review of this product Joshua.
So impressed by the specs and Raceday's prices I ordered 1 from the link you provided (I hope so anyway). You deserve your cut, hope you get it too.
The video you did about their fighting the RID issue actually pushed me over the ledge I was barely holding on to also. After checking around for comparison prices, it was an easy separation of the $$$ from my wallet lol. Eagerly awaiting delivery.
Have a Chimera 7 HD 1300KV. Love it. Am surprised how nimble it is flying fpv too. For slow gentle, yet spirited cinematic, it rocks!
Going to get this little brother asap.
I like how the manufactures are 'Jumping on the train' but getting it wrong. 4 inch quads are supposed to be 3 inch quads with a larger prop, but they keep adding weight and TPU etc on and the performance of the quad suffers. Also motor size wise at least 16xx and above 3000kv.
Thank you for every video you post Mr Bradwell. I have learnt almost everything I know about this hobby from you.
Cost of the DJI version being double is pretty significant here. DJI still hasn't met one of your 2018 predictions for HD being really practical, i.e. it still isn't affordable. Having the video system cost as much as the entire rest of the quad is a high price indeed, especially for a long range model that is more likely to be lost. Regardless I wish they had sent an analog model as vtx quality will be key on the analog version.
For the battery pad, I use the custom one and trim out U-Grip to the same size. Granted, if not being aggressive (LR quads), I usually use cheap pads on the quad.
I just got my chimera4 frame kit to build my own. And hey: They included motors crews in the correct length. Perhaps they habe seen your rant video.
To reference that lense protection, prevention is always more agreeable than a cure. It's better than nothing and you don't have to use, just another example of I-flight using some forward thinking.
I just put 1403 3800 on a baby croc 4 which (no GPS new tpu) flies amazing freestyle on betaflight 4.3. Funny seeing I'm not so original.
i ordered the 3000kv version
With my flying level/style I still get a solid 6 to 8 minutes on a 850 4s. Thats more then enough for me. I tend to land and they pop right up to storage voltage
I think the basic idea of this class was to get most out of
Hey JB... you have another entry for this category... the Diatone Roma 4" LR
Joshua are you going to finish the shark byte video?
Hi. Thank you for such descriptive review. Question: why do pilots really into the hobby would be worry about surpassing the 250gr rule if they are possibly experienced pilots already for recreational purposes? Simply too lazy to add registration tags to the drone's body?
Yeah but when are you going to review the Diatone Roma F4 LR? Otherwise I love your videos Josh can't wait to see every new video every day!
Your camera and microphone is awesome by the way! :) Thanks for the video
I have these lenses hoods on my DJI cameras - you just need to push it harder to fit it deeper - and no any black corners!
I feel like I pushed it pretty hard.
I have a naked GoPro and ordered a kit from betafpv that had a shell and bec with power cable. My question is where on this quad can I wire the three wires for power. I think the yellow wire was so you could start rec in mid flight. I’ll end up pulling that wire and just using red and black for power. Thanks.
Thanks Joshua! Another great video, cant wait for watch the comparison.
I have the Explorer LR but I think GepRC might be the best for what it does.. but if u want one with more power and speed chimera with 3800Kv the way to go..
I love the xing 3800s I use them on my twig xl 3inch get 4-5 mins of hard ripping
Hey Josh love your vid's and appreciate your knowledge about this stuff. I have a question about the KV motors for Chimera. I'm looking to build or buy a 4". Would it be feasible with the 3KV motors if I wanted to an acro quad why not just get the 3K motor and swap in a 5s or 6s and if I wanted to go long range then swap in a LiOn 4s? Doesn't the FC support 3-6s? Wouldn't this be the better option? What am I missing?
So i have the BetaFPV kit for about 2 weeks now and i really enjoy the FPV hobby. Would this drone be a pick-up for me now? I'd like to get into acro/freestyle a bit but also be able to film my friends snowboarding - just chasing stuff...
Thanks for your videos - I watch all of them. All very informative and educational. You might have already mentioned it but what was the vtx antenna on this quad? Also, what do you recommend as a vtx antenna for long range flight?
Love the tree long range stuff, awesome!
People running the VTC6 cells shpuld realize that the constant current draw rating is more of a 15amp range. The 30amp rating should be considered more of a burst rating. Properly testing for amp draw and finding throttle position is likely a good idea. Possibly invest in an amp meter for in line testing on the BF motors tab to find throttle % and then have your OSD show throttle % if you cannot get current draw in the OSD.
Something to consider with DJI and some of the limited OSD output options they have versus the Analog guys.
In your videos I know your talking to your community but in real life you are talking to yourself. How did you get so good at it?
I am thinking about Flywoo they just released new updated Frame: EXPLORER LR 4'' FRAME KIT V2 and also Lionpack 18650 3000mAh SONY VTC6 4S 14.8V 4S1P XT30 Batteries, which seems very interesting to me :D I can't wait for comparison video :D
The nazgul props are actually 4030 so they do have a bit more pitch than the gemfan. The HQ 4025 is the most efficient.
@@karoo_bushman6880 I've seemed to get more flight time from the HQ the Gemfan has a wider blade and is more aggressive overall, I do think it fly's a bit better though if you don't care about an extra minute or two on a 15-20 minute flight. I have the nazguls just haven't got around to testing, I also want to try out some tri gemfan 4023 and HQ 4020 I think the HQ might be perfect for what I want just won't have the speed for real long range.
@@karoo_bushman6880 The HQ also weighs about 10% less
I have mine on the way Monday hopefully! also took the higher KV. I'm aiming on a "semi" all round there i'm not a hardcore acro pilot but like my loopy loops and rolls :) . I hope the battery life will be solid ex. 8min that would be great. Took the whole package witch frame should i use ? maybe the true X better for all round ??
Beautiful views atop the fall trees!
Hey Joshua, thanks for your videos, I find them really helpful and engaging! 🤩 I just start my journey and 2 days ago got my chimera 4, but without crossfire pre installed. I'll go to solder it as soon as I get the soldering station, but still curious about the current setup. Vista has an antenna attached, but is this the antenna I have to connect before powering the drone? I cant see any other antenna connectors on flystack (betaflight).What do you think? Thanks!
Seems ideal for me. I like good range first, tricks second. Is this a good "bigger quad" for someone who just flies tinyhawks and okay at flying? I use a taranis x lite rc.
I have no idea how you got it with the vista, it looks like it is only available with the nebula. When you want to use a naked gopro, you will always be above 250g, which doesn't make sense, if this is one of your top priorities. How does the flight characteristics compare to a 5" quad like the nazgul 5?
Great vid! So would this be the best frame to fly between Freestyle & long-range. I'm looking for a 3.5/4" build that can do a bit of both as 5" is a bit too much 😅
Hi Joshua! Great review, helps to define which one to order, but when do you plan to do Catalyst and Diatone? Still want to check those before making up my mind...
I am supposed to receive Catalyst Monday and Diatone later in the week.
Joshua Bardwell I don't like the stock props do you think these will work for free style ,Emax Avan Scimitar 3528 3.5x2.8x3 3.5 Inch? I have 3000kv motors it was on sale.
How about a Sony VTC6 li ion 18650 3S instead of 4s ?
Haha good job bardwell, making 4 videos instead of 1 :)
Looking to get one hopefully these videos roll out fast
Just thought if it's possible/ worth a try to use for example 3s for cruise and 4s for a bit more freestyle? Especially if you wanna travel and don't carry that many quads.
@JB Gorgeous scenery you were flying over. But, I'm curious...would you hoof up those hills and through all those trees to recover the quad if it went down? Or save yourself the misery and take the loss out of pocket? :p
Take the loss.
@@JoshuaBardwell lol
You can always reach out some hikers to see if they wanna get there and eventually get another subscribers to the channel. I would
With the higher kv motors do you think that I would be able to use my full size GoPro 8? Or would that be too much weight to do anything significant?
iFlight sells a powercable with 5v BEC that connects a GoPro to a balance lead. Fly without that battery weight!
Excelente Joshua!!, what is the difference between frame X and frame Deadcat?
How much less does the analog version weigh than the DJI version? That might be valuable to help get under the 250g limit while having decent size batteries.
Without your knowing , U answered more of my questions then U can imagine! ♥ it's all in da details! THX M8 ♥
I recently purchased one of these from Banggood and it came with a Nebula camera. FYI.
I was looking to buy one on banggood today and that is all they sell. The DJI camera version is nowhere to be found.
Did they change PIDs from the default beta flight's?
Yo he obtenido 24 minutos de vuelo con el pack li-on 4s 3000mah en el Chimera4 3000kv. Y un promedio de 14 min con lipo 4s 1100mah hv.
What BNF long-range drone is available? I do not use goggles would prefer using my phone for viewing drone live video feed. What do you recommend?
With 3800kv you should use 3s LiIon/Lipos. Dave_C recommend 3750-3800kv for 3s
Yeah but that's not what iFlight recommends for this quad although that is an option.
Great video as always and I am learning something from your video all the time :-). I want to get your opinion on the Li-Ion battery for the long range quad like the Chimera 4" or the Explorer LR. Do you suggest I need to adjust the power level options in Betaflight configurator to reflex the Li-iOn per cell voltage? I flown my explorer LR with 4S Li-Ion without adjusting the power option in BF and the Explorer dropped from the sky when the battery voltage hits 3.5v per cell. My warming voltage is set to 3.4 and minimum voltage is set to 3.2 currently. Thank you in advance.
Betaflight won't disarm due to low voltage. I do suggest changing the Warning threshold. To 3. 0v of flying lithium Ion but only to stop the beeping. It has no effect on flight.
Dude. You live in a very beautiful area. Love it!
Hi Joshua: I have been going through all of your videos (Damn you have a lot) and have been learning more than I thought there was to know. (No surprise there) I'm trying to decide between 5 and 6 inch because I think 4" won't do well in my environment. (Windy) It will be FPV with goggles and I'm building around the F760 Flight Controller. What would your recommend for a frame, (between likely Tyro 119 and Tyro 129 or equivalent). I've traditionally gone with heavier motors, but I'm really curious about which motor / battery combination would give me really good distance (with Crossfire) and smooth flight for filming.
Tyro129 is an ok choice if you want to go with 6" or 7" props. It's very budget quality so don't expect it to last too long but it is okay while it's flying. If you have the budget, you will get much better results out of higher quality gear.
Was ready to pull the trigger on this quad but the Nebula camera is a deal killer - shame Guess I'll wait or get something different
Unfortunately, Vista have been out of stock for months so manufacturers have started switching to Vista. I kind of wonder if that was Caddx's plan all along.
Would are some betaflight PID tuning tips for these type of builds? Video is a bit shake in windy conditions in my case. 3800kv analog < 250 gr with naked gopro
Awesome reviews, would it be possible to have a Eachine Cvatar Cinewhoop review? Thank you!
@Joshua Bardwell Would you see more effect from the larger motors if you used an 80C+ battery pack on each of the drones vs the 20C LiON long-range battery (loving the fall colors!)
Hi, what about flying this 6S. Won't this give it more power? Togheter with 3800kv should give it crazy power. FC can take 2-6S? Is therr some other problem with 6s?
Joshua, my flywoo Explorer falls out of the sky on every flight just cruising around. The motors just turn off. Bit rate 50.8 so no failsafe? It will not rearm until I recycle the power. Does this sound like a bad ESC or flight controller or Vista?
Would it be ok to draw the same conclusion on the Chimera7 6s in regards of kv? (1300 vs 1800).
Amazing flight footage
Hello JB, is it possible to use 4s 1300mha on this quad? If yes, should i use an adapter xt30 to xt60 or soldering an xt60 directly to the flightcontroler? Thank you master.
I really wanna know this, i just order 3pack of these and this quad too, if anyone can answer us, i really appreciate, begginer here
Hey man, i just read a lot of comments below and found we can use these 1300 mah battery with no problem
I use my geprc baby crocodile 4 with some batteries ranging from 750mah xt30 to 1500mah xt60, I just put an adapter to the battery. So I can use that battery for my 5 inch as well. Recently I bought 2 1100 batteries xt60 and will see if they last reasonably ok for the 5inch, if not I'll solder convert them to xt30. I've done that to a battery I bought with xt60 I soldered to xt30 and it had been working normally for about a year.
Hi Josh I flight is just bumping out the drones
All of the links in the description for this including the banggood ones link to the nebula version. :(
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lovely trees
Beautiful property as well
Sorry, Joshua, I can't subscribe and activate the bell twice. 😬
Wait... Actually I can... 🤔
I'm going to do that!
Done. 😊
I'm looking to get my first FPV quad, and I'm trying to find one that does acro AND somewhat LR. Is the Chimera4 what I'm looking for? I have been heavily advised to get the Nazgul5 HD V2 6S, however I feel that it's a tad more freestyle oriented. I'd love to be able to do some acro, but also fly out some distance. It sounds like the Chimera4 with smaller and larger batteries would be a better pick than the Nazgul5?
The main limitation on the Nazgul range will be its battery life. The chimera can fly much longer because it's lighter. So I think your logic is basically sound.
@@JoshuaBardwell Thanks a lot for responding and really doing gods work for educating newcomers like me! I'll do some more practice around your house in Liftoff while I'm waiting for the quad to arrive :)
I’m really impressed with Crossfire rn
I’ve been waiting for this one
Leaves are pretty
Thanks was waiting on that my man.
Have you tested the Chimera 7 6s?
Is that the goggle dvr? Thank you Josh.
Hi Joshua,
i was wondering why there are only 30x30 fcs on your ultimate shopping list. cant you recommend any 20x20?
The talon f7 for example looks great. Can i use the caddx vista with that fc?
Jb only likes 30x30, he aint sold on 20x20, but he flies w gopro weight n turtles hard, i fly w DJI dvr & dont lol so 0 issues w $50 20x20 35a 6s stacks on 4s. W a cap....well over a year, but hear the talons are bullet proof even on 6s
The rush tank 20mm is on my list.
Wich one do you think has more power, the 4inch with 3800kv or the 5inch with 2550kv. And wich one would be better for acting with my insta360 one R on board?