Not a Link review, 420HC steel talk and SpeedSafe discussion. 🇺🇸
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Also, 420HC is a crazy versatile steel. In my nerdy steel test, I compared the bos treat to leathermans standard treat, and the Bos cut about twice as much rope : th-cam.com/video/aIpIZ-YCtRk/w-d-xo.html
good stuff going on at this channel^^
Hi Guys.... Just thought I'd add that 420HC is a pretty tough steel because it has lower carbon and therefore isn't brittle... it's better for thinner blades as it will bend rather than break. Because of the low carbon it's pretty rust resistant because there's more chrome left over that doesn't get involved in the "carbide" formation to protect the blade from rust. And oddly enough properly heat treated 420HC can hold a pretty good edge because it's so tough rather than because it's so hard.... Yes, a 420HC working edge is most likely not like the edge you will get on m390... it's not going to keep a super keen edge for nearly as long, but if someone can live with an edge that won't split hairs but will still cut paper or meat, 420 will keep a reasonably sharp working edge a long time... It's kind of like the difference between a shark and a snapping turtle... both with take your fingers off. the shark teeth slice while the snapping turtle kind of powers (gums) through.
Just for fun check out Zapp LC200N it's a supersteel with only .3% carbon. Yes it has nitrogen instead of vanadium, but still it's supposed to be pretty good in terms of edge retention without all of the carbides and it's got great rust resistance too...
Lastly, minor rolls in 420HC can be straightened with a kitchen steel or even stropped straight again.
Cheers
RJ
thanks RJ!
good video guys love how the clip moves around what will it be on next?
lol I'm liking it here!
so I did some edge retention tests with cardboard, and my link outperformed all the 8cr knives I tested by about 15%. which is crazy because I put it up against several types of grinds.
now this doesn't say a ton because cardboard is very inconsistent as a test medium. but I have never had an 8cr knife cut the same linear amount of cardboard as the link.
I got the dividend in the mail yesterday, so I can see if my results are consistent.
in the end. Kershaw is working some magic on that 420 at that price point because it beat my tenacious by almost 20 linear feet of cardboard before they stopped cutting paper.
that's kind of what we hear, surprisingly good performance for 420hc
Hey do you guys feel like the speedsafe on the Cryo is a bit stiff? My Cryo flips out well and smoothly but the flipper tab almost hurts to flip. I've flipped the OSO Sweet and the Leek from Kershaw and both of those flippers are way softer/easier to flip. Is there anything I can do to mine to help it? Oh and the thumbstud is almost impossible to use unlike my Blur. Thanks guys! Love the videos!
I do agree the Cryo is stiffer than average. I suppose the spring could be bent slightly but I've never tried it.
Thanks. I better leave it alone and just enjoy it.
I've been eyeing the s35vn link in blue for a couple months now. It's quite tempting for the reasonable price difference.
those look awesome!
Unfortunately I just realized the blue is out of stock, so maybe a red one and a scale swap from a 420c version
Nice video & information. I have been seeing all those mirror polished blades showing up on your channel lately. I was thinking they have to be running out of the supplies to produce the mirror edges on all those blades. You've answered my question in this video. lol
we have plenty of films, it's a bit of a pain swapping them and I got lazy lol. The translucent Arkansas stone finish and stropping really does do a respectable job though.
SpeedSafe is the reason I have spent the family fortune on knives this past year. I didn't spend it all on Kershaw SS, but the OSO Sweet, Piston, and Cryo are what fed into my early addiction. It is a cool way for novices to get into flippers.
it is, and yet, we still go back to them as good knives!
BirdShot IV Me too! I love the Dash. Just bought one for my son.
Gotta love the speedsafe/thumb stud combo on the Blur. I miss mine and will likely end up getting another one. I respect Kershaw a lot and they make some very nice USA knives for the price. Even some of their Chinese made models are pretty good.
Last year I went to Kershaw (I live in the area) to get a speed assist issue I was having resolved, didn't want to fiddle with it myself. So I brought it to the service dept, and like 10-minutes later it was handed back to me good as new!
Kershaw is a good company, glad to hear your feedback!
lmao that blooper at the end!
Yes, do more of those.
we use to in the early videos, may bring them back
For how much I like Kershaw knives, I am surprised by how little i have from them. I have been doing a lot more free hand sharpening and seeing that my edge is almost as "mirror finish" like as yours kinda made me happy inside.
Btw i hope you guys like the knife i sent you. I dont know if you have tested or carried it but i really hope to see your review video on it even if you totally hate it. Thank you guys!
yes, it's a beast! it will get a video!
I enjoyed the heck out of this! The two-person presentation and banter is a lot more engaging and entertaining than just one guy droning on. I also appreciated the technical details about steel.
thank you for the support!
I have less than 10 speed assist knives from Kershaw, 2 came out of the box flawed and can't deploy properly. What I really hate about the speed assist design is the spring functions both as opening assist and closed detent, so if the spring came out not right, the whole knife is not functional(as I can't fix the flawed knife by just taking out the spring and treat it as a manual folder).
that sucks. We have actually never had a flawed speedsafe
I can tolerate the sloppy QA for the budget price. But I can't get over the fact that the whole knife relies on that spring to work. I've seen people break the spring bar over time too. Call me unimpressed. If Kershaw can just make a detent mechanism separated from the spring, then I'll have no complaint.
Yeah. Love Speedsafe, but on my third torsion bar on my cryo 2. Only have it for 3.5 months. At least kershaw shipped me 3 replacement bars to germany for free.
+raphael beinhauer I only have had
glad to see you guys use the knife. im actually curious I think you should file off the pointy part of the flipper tab and see if it makes the flipping experience more enjoyable
hmmm, good idea
I love 420hc, it's one of my favorite steels for its edge retention and ease of sharpening. I did a series of edge retention videos where I found it to outperform 154cm and a bunch of other steels and it kept up with s30v. There's a German metallurgist named Roman landes who also finds it to perform well too but you'd have to be able to read German. Also china is buying American steel so if you get Chinese steel you might actually be buying American steel.
good stuff man, thank you!
BirdShot IV that's why companies use it because it's maintainable for non knife nuts , I'm sure it's also partly the cost is low too of course though.
I have 10 kershaws, including the link(black handle). this is a great little knife. I bought one for a friend who has
arthritis so bad he can't open and close his old and much loved gerber. He loves this knife! He needs to use 2 hands
to close, but OK with him. He's now a subdued flip-manic !
nice gift!
What do you think about the Kershaw shuffle DIY that's coming up? Do u think it will be good and will you do a review on it once it comes out?
we'll get one almost certainly
BirdShot IV awesome looking forward to the review whenever the knife comes out. I hope it's soon. It looks like a great middle ground between carrying both a Swiss Army knife and a folding knife which is what I currently do.
I'll have to look up that gBay Kelvin Fleery clip. I cant find it anywhere though. I must be doing something wrong 😄🤗
lol jackass
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I love mine, carry it every day. HoB exclusive in S35VN. Best deal in knives today, I think.
wish we had one!
Hope you guys will test Kershaw launch the USA 420hc and let us know , as for me in this price range I've never broken a torsion bar. I like them Thanks, Harry
I thought the Launch series was al CPM154?
Hey guys did you know there is a kershaw link 1776TS? It has a tiger stripe blade and from what I understand its only sold in Oregon. I could be wrong though. Wish I knew what steel they used for it. There is nothing online about this particular knife. I might have to give Melissa a call. Your thoughts? Thanks!
Hello, I'm a new collector. I've gotten the link and cryo 2 so far. I'm loving the way the link flies open compared to the cryo. Besides the launch series. Which other kershaw knives fly open like the link does? Thank you, fantastic video.
Big Perm If you’re looking for fast deployment from Kershaw assisted knives, I would recommend the leek, al mar am-3 and al mar am-4, dividend, blur, pico, and there’s some new ones out as well. Really there are a ton of them that are pretty fast, just look up the speedsafe knife catalog and then watch TH-cam videos on each one and see for yourself which one would suit your needs. My fastest speedsafe is definitely the Kershaw leek though, hands down
8cr13mov done well can be pretty darn good the same with bucks 420hc and bucks 154cm is really tough stuff like D2 tough
it seems that way, thanks for watching!
Love my Non-Reviewed, Link Compared, Alyumenium LINK!!!! got it today! Sharpest knife I've had since gall bladder surgery. :) Beautiful Mirror Edge!!
awesome, glad you like it!
Nice....420HC is a nice steel for a knife....I was going to ask how you got the Tan Flipper to flip, thanks for the tip!
push button and practice!
Almost got it down......
Good technique with the flipper tab,,,wondered how you got that Walmart Tan fold to open so easy,,,I can thumb stud flick it,,,but it cool to see it done with the flicking tab,,,👍✌
@4:36 Kershaw Gryo 2 spotted, lol. I hane my Link coing in on Friday. Its got the damascus blade.
I laughed so hard with the speed safe part. Haha I absolutely adore you two!!
I use fixed blades and one of my favorite steels is Gerber's USA 420, it is a very forgiving steel and if sharpened right it holds a great edge. I'm not sure if Kershaw,Buck and Gerber get their 420 from the same USA source but it seems that way to me, all three companies USA 420 is highly reliable. I've been thinking about getting Gerber's USA made Down Range series auto, its a pretty beefy knife I like tough blades, weights never really bothered me much. Gerbers Premium Gator that comes in a sweet leather sheath is also pretty dang cool its in S30V, it has that grandpa look about it classic style very nice.....Their factory is just down the highway from me that's a plus😉
I'm a pretty good fan of bucks 420HC. I have an old rush that is part of my regular carry rotation. Holds a decent edge for regular task and easy to maintain with a strop. I love my link tanto. Y'all keep up the good work.
thanks Chris, agree in general about regular stropping to maintain
I have the AL version. It was one of the first "real" knives (as in "not M-Tech") I bought when I first started collecting. I've acquired something like 30 knives since then, and this is still one of my favorites. Very satisfying "thwack" too, in FunkMaster Frankie's terms.
The steel really isn't bad. I use it and my Tenacious a lot to break down boxes, and the Link's edge has always gone further. Maybe it's the geometry...maybe it's the heat treat or something in the composition, but it's always beaten the Tenacious in terms of retention--and I have two of each knife. I'd take the Link over the Tenacious any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
lol good feedback Ian!
I've found there's a big difference in heat treat done by different companies Spyderco's 8cr performs a lot better than some others I've tried and that must come down to the heat treat if they're chemically identical.
agreed, if the composition is all the same, it can only come down to heat treatment
Great vid guys, enjoyed it. Take care!
thanks for the kind words!
I got it.. submarine. I have the S35vn HOB version. I like it. wish the handle was a tad bigger.
it's a touch small for my hands too but still works for me.
I'd recommend the House of Blades exclusive in S35VN. it even has the deep carry clip. it was my most carried knife of 2016
would love one!
House of blades had a pair of Links with aluminum handles and S35VN blades.
how did we miss that one!
This is good discussion but your chart is missing something very important when trying to predict the performance of a knife blade. Most steels used in third-world countries contain a lot of impurities. Those steels often contain recycled material from various sources and they add undesirable things to the metal. For steel from North American or European source those numbers means something but not so much for most Asian-source steels. There are labs that can test the steel with an Atomic Emission analyzer to confirm their claims. I have several Buck and Gerber knives made from 420 HC steel and they all hold an edge just fine. Forty years ago 440A (about the same edge retention as 420 HC) was the most common steel for decent knife blades and 440C was the fancy stuff. Even today 420 HC is a decent steel for a knife blade and I would not hesitate to recommend it to a friend.
Almost lost the EDC yesterday, panicked when I walked out and it wasn't in the right front. Made my way back and discovered that "The Borrowers" had not seized it. I'd have been pissed had it disappeared, but it fits into this category. Not a one-off 10,000 dollar zircon-encrusted damasko-balisang but something that's durable, opens the box and won't necessitate hospitalization if lost. To quote "Linc" from Mod Squad, "You Dig?"
Cool story tell it again
lol
Great video. Always enjoy your reviews.
thanks Kevin!
you guys should compare it's edge retention against some buck 420hc as those have the Paul bos heat treat
cameron williams it's called edge retention
P Yew I know I just messes up and didn't want to correct myself, I'll edit it
need to try some Buck knives finally
That's weird. I have two CRKT GSDs. Both of mine have good flipping action. Actually the detent is pretty strong on them, it can make your finger sore after prolonged flipping or playing with it. I don't get why I have seen some people make negative comments about that one and the Remedy, another all steel flipper by Liong Mah and CRKT. Besides being heavy, I think they are good knives for the money, if you get them on sale like I did. I mean putting materials aside the designs are very good. I like the Remedy even better of the two. Back when the GSD was new, it was highly regarded in the CRKT Facebook group's
I got an aluminium link awhile ago and I never carry it due to just dis liking the knife completely for a multitude of reasons. However I did enjoy the video because of your personalities that just shine in your videos.
haha thank you Zane!
I rock with the Kershaw leek. Love it.
The Leek is a good knife for sure
I want to get into sharpening on a tight budget. Any suggestions? PS. I was thinking, "Frankie Small Hands" would be an awesome gangster name ;)
look into freehand, that's about as budget as it gets
Thanks Frankie for the "Hootenanny" fix.
Yeah, but I'm still recovering from Hootenanny-gate.
haha it was tough on all of us
I stand corrected you are right but luv the 5.
In your next video can you guys do a sharpness test with some of your knifes
we should yes, thanks for watching!
Hey guys just got a boker Damascus special edition kalashnikov and wanted to know how hard is it to sharpen Damascus with the one or do you have any tips thanks
We have no experience sharpening Damascus but they sure do look cool
I usually carry something assisted on my off side as a backup.
me too ideally!
I have the same "FRN" version and the Grey Tanto aluminum version as well and like them both as hard use work knives. I work at O'Reallyz and cut boxes as well as different types of hose every day and the 420HC holds up pretty decent. I have it in a couple of my Buck Knives too. I also really like the Speedsafe and I'm not a Noob in the knife world for sure! LoL
i know you guys really love fondler knives so i hope one day soon you guys checkout the CRKT Fulcrum 2 and give a review on it!
on the list, thanks!
I see what you mean with the assisted knives still bugs me to use a manual
we're I live I'd rather go aoutomatic or otf but you brought up a good point new knife people will probably get a thrill out of the assisted knives
I know we did when first starting, plus they just work well with no fuss.
stone you use to sharpen your blades? Do you have a video fo showing people how you put an edge on a blade?
we have some sharpening content, yes. Search birdshot iv sharpening
I love my Kershaw's that I own, but I can't help but be bored with their designs as of late. However, they have four blades coming out this year that have my attention.
we are excited about a few as well!
S35VN CF LEEK Baby!!!
Nice video guys! I like how these look, but 420 HC scares me off. The new Kershaw Directive is also using the same steel. I do like the Directive because it looks like a larger Leek. I also collect Case knives, and I know that their 420 HC is very, very soft. I buy a lot of knives from CRKT (I just got the Eros SS large and love it) and have no problem with 8cr13mov. Thanks for the birdchirp!
thanks Jim, so far so good with us and 420hc!
BS4- U-571? That's about 300 meters underwater and watch out for depth charges. 420HC on Buck 110 with Bos heat treat is good. The House of Blades aluminum version comes with some steel you may have mentioned last year called S35vn. Bird, any fun facts? I'm not crazy about SpeedSafe,, but HoB version was very cool with the patriotic color schemes. Not bad for $80.
Fun fact-We wish we owned that one!
I've been wanting to pick up the link
money well spent
BirdShot IV yea I can't resist the blue aluminum one 😍
those are awesome!
If I remember correctly, there is a S35VN Link also. The blur is also US made with good sandvik steel for 50 bucks, so I don't see why they put 420HC. in the link. My experience with 420HC is good from my leatherman wave though in a year of it being my primary blade. No chips or even rolls in it and decent edge retention. BTW is that Nick's blur and when is your review coming?
I think they use the 420HC to be 100% American made. That was Nick's Link in this vid, we did our official Link review last year
+BirdShot IV good point. I was asking about the blur you showed briefly but. after seeing his review again, I realized it was your knife.
The heat treat is good....however...
when companies grind down profile often time eliminates the heat treat due to inadaquient use of quench bath during the process. This makes blades fragile.
so more likely to chip rather than roll?
Yeah, about the Surgery. It's Tendinosis on Top of some Arthritis in my Right Wrist. So think of "Carpel Tunnel", but not quite. Anywho, going under the Knife on the 21st, should be OK in a month. But I'm going over to the Distaff Side. Where I live, the Law "Frowns Upon" Open Carrying Fixed Blades, so its Folderville. Got tons of Thumbstuds and some Holey Blades, but just one "Assisted Opener", the OSO. And since I've been Right Handed for nearly 60 years, well, Old Habits and all that. So your last Vid gave me a Cheap but Good Blade Option. Thanks Guys!
good luck with that and keep us updated!
I was kind of hoping you would discuss how the speed safe works.
th-cam.com/video/gUnD3kCghOM/w-d-xo.html
Caught that U571 reference! Cool to know you and Shabazz trade back n forth too, Yall stay blessed!
I got a deep carry clip on my skyline. it makes it a bit better
need to try that!
Look on fun with knives channel. He did a video. Actually that's the one I have, I bought the one he was selling a while back.
Y'all really the best. Don't tell nick
lol thank you!
What's the carbon content on the 440c the ganzos use?
0.95-1.2
yep, even higher than 8Cr and equivalent to a lot of "mid-grade" steels.
Nice, I never would have guessed that.. Of course I never would have heard of them or risked waisting 17$ if not for you guys.. Ha now I have 4, great for loosing ;)
love the education!! bloopers real were is it?
Thanks Scott!
I was gunna throw up a Deadpool hand-size comment but I like the channel too much to risk the ban stick.
Good vid
lol Nathan
The 4.20 ounce, 420HC is the dankest knife I've ever sm- *seen.*
Lol
Hmm, is it possible that 420HC is .420 percent carbon?
Submarine jokes damn the references go deep
:D thanks Clay
Nazi submarine reference on an American built knife with the model # 1776.
I can live with the assist on the cheaper knives. As you said, some cheaper models don't open so smooth, and the average user on the street, who only opens an occasional package from Amazon, and maybe cuts up an apple for lunch, doesn't know any better. It gives them that wow factor, and lets face it, the average guy makes up the bulk of the budget market. It's kind of nice the way it rockets open, the herky jerky close...not so much, lol.
agreed, thanks for watching Tim!
Close isnt exactly herky jerky... not very smooth or light detent mind you. Its a pretty heavy detent you have to push all of the way closed with a finger, you cant just drop shut it. Thats because of the speed safe, it needs to be that springy to be able to deploy in desperate emergency situations. The detent would be amazingly perfect without it but it needs it for safety
I really like the Blue Aluminum one, been looking at it for quite some time. The downside is that it will cost me about 90 bucks here in Norwegian knifestores :/ If it was 40$ id be having one in my collection :/ Great video as allways, and have a good weekend
thanks man, you too!
I've got no problems with 420hc. I figure if I'm going to pay less for a knife than a sharpmaker, they're going to be seeing eachother pretty often no matter what.
Gonna have to disagree with you guys on the speedsafe though. I've always been of the opinion that there's no need to add more moving parts that could potentially fail for functionality that you don't need. A couple of my favorite kershaws include the Zing and the Skyline (Sorry Bird!), two lightweight, manual knives with amazing action on washers. Kai can make a low cost knife with good manual action if they want to, but they take the easy route with speedsafe instead. CRKT has a ton of, in my opinion, super well designed knives with superb manual action, for not much more, if any additional cost.
It'd be one thing if Kershaw was doing all of this in America and putting out competitively priced knives, but the Link is an exception. A very well done one, mind, but an exception none the less.
That being said I still do like some of their speedsafe designs; I'm not going to be rioting in the streets to get torsion bars banned from America any time soon. One of my favorite carry knives (that I really wish they would start producing again) is the Needs Work. It's a fantastic edc and I've used it for years with no problems; I just would have rather payed ten dollars more for a manual version! Cheers guys!
lol rioting in the streets. In all our speedsafe knives and thousands and thousands of flips, never a failure. Taking them apart, its so simple I just don't see failure being easy. Our experience anyway, thanks for the feedback!
I sorta wish they would use 440c on their USA made blades.
they'd get some extra edge retention for sure
Ooo i got both.of them 👍😁serr in my pocket..a 🏆 again.
Nice U-571 reference guys! hahaha
love that movie!
420HC with a Bos heat treat performs identically to 7cr17mov , worse if its not a Bos heat treat ...... I will not buy a Buck that uses it because they want to much for it. 36ish dollars I would consider especially if its American made.
ruike hussar vs kershaw link i would pick the ruike knifes
I have grown into a bit of a steel snob. I wont buy anything less than VG-10 or S30v and prefer S35vn or S110v or the M390 variants. It would be a sad world if the ladies of the world couldnt love their nurds!
lol Bill, you snob
I really like this knife I have the non aluminum version. It's great for food. Also 402!! lol.
402?
BirdShot IV 420*
lol
Buck does a really nice heat treat on their 420.
what Buck should we get first?
I have a buck vantage I could send your way. Otherwise I would try the 110. It's pretty cheap, and it's a tank of a knife
+BirdShot IV buck vantage my favorite edc knife
Awesome video!!!!?
lol not sure yet?
BirdShot IV oh sorry the question mark was by accident lol the video was very awesome
Favorite speed assist kershaw leek, the Walmart tan flipper tab got ground off with a bench grinder😁
you ground off the tab?? lol
If it wont flip with it why have it🙃
FYI about 420: did you know that the US Military M9 Bayonet is made from 420? Don't know about the HC part, but they only treat it to about 53 Rockwell. And since it supposed to be made with only "American Material", and there's about 400,000+ made since 1986, I think the Kershaw Rep was telling the Truth about it being made with "American Steel." Now Chris Tanner says the Chinese have huge forests of 8cr13mov trees that they harvest for their Knife Production, but I'm not so sure... anyway, I don't have a problem with SpeedSafe. It works as it was designed to: Open a Folder FAST w/o breaking some Idiotic Anti-Knife Laws. Which for Soon-to-be One Handed Persons like me due to upcoming Surgery, is a comfort when I hit the Streets. Might just order the Basic Link this weekend, 'cause my OSO is a little small in my size 2XL Hands with Gloves on. Anyway, there's my two cents. Night all.
good feedback and crazy about the surgery!
nice
thanks for watching!
you need to do more steal videos it was interesting
thanks man!
writing 420 in green on your chart, are you sure that wasn't on purpose?
lol whoops
another awesome video tyfs
kershaw should make more manual knives. i have the nura 3.5 and the injection 3.5 both are awesome. the deadline is next 8)
hagd
lol we JUST picked up another speedsafe knife
Sickk
thanks for watching!
Love the videos guys, thanks!!
thank you for the support!
I love my dork too.. lmao
The z-hunter keep staring at me
one for sale in the store....
Too high end...I am low class collector..I can not handle some thing that toxic green with a real 3D skull on it.
lol
u571 deep
haha you got it!
U-571 Matthew McConaughey
yep! Saw it in the theater!
Nice overview....lol
thanks for watching!
I don't like Speedsafe but it seems like that's the only way to get your Kershaw nowadays...RIDICULOUS 👎
next step up is ZT!
BirdShot IV Yep
Spend 10 fold to lose the spring... sad isn't it 😬
Lucky for us CRKT is not seeing it like this 😘
CRKT does have some good manual flippers, for sure
I literally spat coffee all over tje place .thanks no really thanks im off to get a cloth .
lol thanks for watching!
Laughing. ..... Frankie. Tyical woman but NOT. Knowing the price and of coarse the color options.
I'd go with the Cryo2 and YES; I LIKE KERSHAW...
If I have time, I'm calling Meliissa tomorrow. I'll tell her my knife concerns and also ask questions. I don't think she would know what speed safe is if one opened in her skirt never mind steels..I might be wrong..in that case, I'll ask her to at least be FB friends..Sorry, nothing to say about the link so just wrote stupid s&@$ as usual..
lol made us laugh. I think she does know a thing or two though ;)
made in USA=means nothing to me=i don't give a Shit.
Cool im going to write that down.
it's ok, not everyone cares lol
Well many in the USA do care. More of the products we buy will be made here in the future. Anything the world makes we can do better and have the jobs here. You dont give a shit? Good. Then you dont want the trade. Thats good to know. More for us.