Exploring the Pale King's Anatomy
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- In this video, we will explore the Pale King's body in ways no one has ever dared before. And we get a little help from the talented artist Mebi to help us visualize the Pale King in ways not showed to us in Hollow Knight. Enjoy!
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Video chapters:
00:00 Introduction
01:18 Worm vs. Wyrm
04:00 Cast-off Shell
04:50 Wyrm bones
06:53 Wyrm teeth
08:11 Other miscelaneous details
09:39 Pale King bug form
10:14 Cloak
12:09 Under the cloak
13:51 Eyes
15:28 Outro - เกม
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As soon as I got the notification I immediately went "this is the definition of 'tell me the HK community desperately needs silksong without telling me they desperately need silksong."
Why did you not close the ‘ 😢
Every HK fan needs Silksong in their life
Except they don’t have a life.
Honestly though... it's getting a bit maddening to just wait.
But hey, atleast we don't try to take over People's Minds... for now.
Unity has left us dived
HK fans get to join the Titanfall/Team Fortress/Earthbound/Bloodborne/Sekiro/Batman Arkham group of "fandom turning schizophrenic from lack of games/updates."
We need Cornifer to map out the Pale King.
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Interesting entomology (bug science) thing about the pale king's wings and the monarch wings: there are six wings. all modern winged insects cap out at four wings. however, there is a lineage of extinct prehistoric insects that had six wings: the Palaeodictyoptera. They're thought to have been ancestors of pretty much all modern winged insects, to my understanding. so PK having six wings, to me (as a massive fucking nerd), is another nod at how ancient he is. was this intentional? probably not. is it fun to point out in a youtube comment? absolutely.
That would be really cool if Team Cherry knew about this. Either that or they followed the tried and true design method of just-adding-another-one-or-two-of-the-interesting-bits.
@@DanaTheLateBloomingFruitLoop I mean, Sly appears to only have two wings, which is also accurate as flies have one pair of wings, so it's possible they knew at least a little about how many wings various bugs are supposed to have. I did find other HK bugs with six wings, though: alubas, oblobbles, booflies, and primal aspids. The primal aspids make sense (their flavour text states they're "ancestral"), but the rest do poke a few holes in my half-baked theory. I still think it's cool, though!
@@AsioEntomo alubas don't necessarily poke holes, they're probably old as well because the wanderer's journal says they're around beings of great power (such as unn, and white lady)
that is absolutely fascinating, especially how it connects to the pale king's place as the progenitor of hallownest, regardless of whether or not it was a coincidence.
@@AsioEntomoDork.
Alternative point: the extra pair of eyes on some depictions of the Pale King might be a symbolic representation of his gift of foresight
don't you mean foursight (I am booed off stage)
Meanwhile me who always saw it as some eyebrows
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@tomas_iss7469 Pale King, the only being in Hallownest with *massive* eyebrows
It could also be an alternate representation of the pale king. In ancient Greece, the gods would sometimes be interpreted differently depending on your social class. So the various inconsistency in the pale kings representations might be different artists/organizations trying to make the pale king represent different things by drawing on the symbology of the culture of hollownest. Using the representation of four eyes, that could ether be foresight, or it could be representing the pale king as a old and powerful being. The since I get is that the pale king didn't get out much, so I think it makes perfect since why new, and anatomically incorrect representations would become more and more common in hollownest.
@@hivemind7156You could be correct, considering that the Pale King is shown in different sizes in every statue in the kingdom.
i think we're nearing the limit of what we can talk about regarding this game. like i physically cant imagine what more to talk/theorize about
dont worry silksong will come out, it will, I promise
We still need to explore menderbugs anatomy, otherwise I will do it personally
Look, if the Song of Ice and Fire fandom can spend 20 years talking about whether Roose Bolton is a vampire, whether trees on Westeros are connected to the internet, if Robert Baratheon is alive but in hiding, if Tyrion is a time traveller or whether Tyrek Lannister is a horse, we can wait a bit longer for Silksong.
@@peristeronic37 you promised. I believe you
@@andreasbuehler1821 This. Any fandom worth it's salt these days should have you scratching your head YEARS later.
He's just a little guy
A little goober
Just a tiny little dude
Just a little fella
this is so real
mischievous lil buddy
8:14 I always thought those branches might be connected to the white lady, since she has her feelers all throughout Hallownest it would make sense for them to be present at her husband’s grave.
that was my first thought, but the game does seem pretty particular about colors; that was one of the first things I picked up on when I first watched a mutual's playthrough on Twitch. the branches growing from the Wyrm have a creamy tinge to them, easier to notice after cutting to the pale grass in the White Palace. it makes sense for the White Lady to have branched out to any site of the Pale King's, but the recoloring makes me second-guess that. I'm considering the possibility that the cream branches at Kingdom's Edge could simply be others of her kind, rather than pups. (in plant propagation, when runner roots put out a baby plant, as seen in agave or airplane plants, they're called pups)
Also, when you look at the roots in kingdom’s edge, they aren’t the same as the White Lady’s.
I like to think that the Pale King went through multiple transformations before is current small state. He is shedding his skin like a bug or snake, but he is getting smaller instead of bigger. The most prominent example of this is the basin fountain, he is shown much bigger and with multiple arms, just like how Lord Fool looks. The four eyes might have also been just another stage.
maybe those little bugs around the monarch wings are the final form?
Bro forgot two of his eyes when pseudo-reincarnating . something something adhd tax
Maybe an adaptation mechanism in going from a wild creature to a "sociable" one? Like the domestication syndrome.
I'm guessing he went through a Mothra-style transformation.
Matryoshka Pale King
I’d let Pale King explore my anatomy
Never cook again
(I kinda agree)
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No cost too great
Thank you for exploring the Pale King’s body for us!
They are both intimately familiar with each others bodies😏😏😏
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Don't say it like that PLEASE
Herrah moment
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7:50 The idea that the teeth of the Pale King’s wyrm form would possibly had functioned like that would never have occurred to me. It makes perfect sense, considering it was burrowing through stone, so the mechanism of drilling through rock by piercing rock with its teeth, then using its teeth mechanism to push rock away, which leads into it pushing out new teeth to continue the cycle is astonishing. Then, it could have used its teeth too for making sure rock doesn’t get into its mouth, with its teeth mechanism frequently pushing rocks out as its drilling too. As for the bony parts, like its ribs and skeleton, since it was such a massive creature it would have needed some structural support to hold itself together.
worms eat dirt and eart, so it's also a possibility that the wyrms were actually eating all that rock and grinding it down, pushing inwards maybe
No bugs have actual bones, so it's kind of strange seeing the word bone be used this way here. Maybe here people also call "exoskeletons" as bones, since they both work in a similar fashion
It's cool to imagine that a big freaky worm is basically a World Serpent to bug culture.
I was gonna say more but then I forgot everything else after you said "It'd be hard to finger the knight" I legit had to pause after that to recover.
I had to scroll down and ctrl f to see if anyone acknowledge this happened
I think everyone wants to erase it from memory
That isn't even the funniest part, he then talks about Hornet and Quirrel, and that is an unsettling image.
Regarding the Monarch Wings- I always figured they _were_ the Pale King's wings. It would explain his corpse lacking wings, and would make their name make sense.
Why exactly his wings were torn off and put in the Ancient Basin, though, I have no idea, but perhaps he specifically put them there to help a future Vessel. The White Lady didn't seem particularly shocked that the Knight got out of the Abyss, implying they at least anticipated the possibility of Vessels getting out, and once it was clear the Hollow Knight had failed, a backup wouldn't be the worst idea. Though that in turn begs the question of why he presumably moved himself and the White Palace into the Dream Realm...
Thats actually a good point, because the pale king could actually see in the future. This would actually imply that he knew that the knight would escape the abyss and later attempt to save hallownest, and this was all just some big plan of his.
I always thought the wings referred to a monarch butterfly.
@@Cle-ofair assumption but they don’t look at all or flap like butterfly wings, beats me tho
What if he placed the Palace into the dream world so that the Knight couldn’t get the Kingsoul without the Awoken Dream Nail? Just as a precaution to hopefully make sure that the Knight could actually fight and defeat the Radiance.
I always assumed the wings were magical artificial wings made by the Pale King.
But considering how the Pale King liked to project a sense of omnipotence it’s very likely he made them out of vanity or jealousy of not having wings in the first place.
Especially as his main rival *does*.
I'm not convinced mossbag can take another direct without any mention of Silksong. Team Cherry save this poor soul
It's interesting how there seems to be a theme of bugs ending up 'upside down' with their mouths on top of their heads. There's obviously the pale king with his Wyrm mouth turning into a crown, and then there's also the Knight and Hornets horns both turning into mouth parts with Nosk. It's tempting to see Nosk as the creepy twisted version, but when have you ever seen an irl bug with horns instead of mouthparts? Clearly Nosk is the normal one and the Knight is actually fucked up. Plus Hornet and Herras horns both look just like the chelicerae found in real spiders mouths. The weirdest example is the weavers, which at first glance don't look like spiders at all, until you realize that the 'head' is actually an abdomen, with the real head hidden under the cloak.
It's like there's a pattern of more civilized intelligent bugs becoming flipped upside down compared to there dumb bestial cousins. Like if getting smarter caused your body to snap and twist around like the girl from the exorcist.
This makes a lot of sense, though This would imply that zote is civilized and intelligent aushsuahha
Genuinely a fascinating take.
I've had fleeting thoughts a little bit like this, but when you spell it out like that, it makes it seem weird that we haven't been examining this matter more carefully.
"when have you ever seen an irl bug with horns instead of mouthparts?"
My take would be the cockroaches you collect like pokemons in Mushiking, those stag beetles or flying stags or how else they're called in english, but I may be wrong.
@il-ma.le. the "horns" of stag beetles are their mouth mostly. At least when you search for "stag beetle" google shows lots of beetles like that
are we just forgetting stag and other beetles, which clearly have horns?
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It would be pretty difficult to do WHAT?
☠️when you talked abt Hornet right after I almost jumped out of my chair lol
I FUCKIN IED
“It would be pretty difficult to finger the knight” 13:00 🤨📸
I genuinely think mossbang is one of my favorite TH-camr because of the way he made his video, with a really monotone voice that make every joke even more funny while still being super interesting,I really can't stop watching his video at least 2-3 times. Another reason I'm waiting so much silksong is to see even more mossbang video.
Moss really needs to start an "ecosystems in games" series bc I'm pretty sure that's what 50% of us are here for! 😅
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@@typical_ force of habit from all my mossbag fanfiction i wrote :(
@tooru-kun4178 did you use it as a verb
@@tooru-kun4178I’m dying rn
There's also some sort of connection between the wyrm and the wind: there's breeze both coming from his corpse in the Kingdom's Edge and in the place where we take Monarch's wings. And in both cases the wind stops once we acquire the item
An obvious but interesting detail I only just noticed is that the Hunter and Herrah have an identical eye pattern. Makes sense since both of them are the apex hunters of their domain.
White King transforms from a giant worm-like creature to a small winged creature (most butterflies, beetles, wasps, flies do the same). And it seems that once White King started shedding his skin, he couldn't stop, becoming smaller and smaller (losing his majestic wings eventually). Just if some non-insect creature found a way to imitate insect physiology, but did something wrong.
So now he is so small he turned into a bacteria
Mossbag is the guy to make a 16 minute video about the anatomy and physiology of a serial child murderer. I hope you make more Five Nights At Freddy's content in the future.
tell me two things in common between Pale King and Purple Guy
-Both are terrible fathers
-Both are child murderers
@@reinbew794 both died
if we’re going to be technical, PK isn’t explicitly a child murderer. he’s just an abortion fanboy.
@@endernightblade1958 Abortion would imply the children in question were unborn. The vessels clearly hatched in the abyss and then died there, so it's more very targeted and deliberate child neglect.
@@reinbew794wouldn't really call him a bad parent
"A couple years later in the 1950's" is one of my favorite instances of a joke being played off so well you might not notice there even was one.
The parallel between the Hallownest Seal and the Pale King's silhouette is actually insane. Like an epiphany.
I always had a thought in the back of my head that the Pale King was a parasite. His first form might not have been his, just an animal he was a parasite of. His control over other bugs is the chemicals they release to dominate their hosts. Just a thought though.
thats,, actually a really interesting take wtf
The Pale King doesn’t control bugs’ minds, he enlightens them. The Radiance is the entity that creates a “hive mind” of sorts, while the Pale King’s “beacon” is instead what turned primal bugs into civilized ones. Also, this addendum is not to be rude to your idea, but it should be noted that real parasites have to specifically develop around the neural systems of specific hosts, and don’t have the ability to control everything they touch. I know this is a fictional world with shaky dedication to real-world logic, but I’m just clarifying that the Pale King very likely had absolutely no control over other bugs, and if he did, that raises a lot of unfortunate questions and implications, especially with his relationships to White Lady and Herrah in particular.
@@akirbyobsessee7396Sounds like pro Pale King propaganda to me
@@cinnamonmeanstoothpaste if the pale king mind controlled herrah the beast to make up a reason why he should make a baby with her i think we’d need to double the ol’ “Crimes of the Pale King” list
I have the same theory about the Radiance and the Abyss Creature (with the Infection and Lifeblood as their mechanism of control).
14:54 The soul pillars in the path of pain seemed to me like they are a mix between the pale king and the white lady, since you can see more of a curved structure on the horns and a more chubby bottom; maybe it represents the royal family more than the king itself
I think the WL and PK were worshiped as one organism, named "The King and Creator" (Wyrm being King and Root being Creator).
@@shardes Also those branches that seem to come out of the Wyrm's body look a lot like the White Lady. Maybe they were one and the same at some point. Or the WL was born out of the wyrm's carcass?
@@Cube-xm6vtThat's similar to my interpretation as well. I think the WL was born out of whatever the ancient civilization did (they worshiped Void, which seems to be connected with soul), along with luminiscent mushrooms and grass in Deepnest. Then the Wyrm got to the roots (soon to be the Root) and died there. Perhaps, that somehow increased the power of both of these entities, making them ascend to godhood and become connected with one another. And that's how Kingsoul charm was created. And also how the Wyrm got reborn, as well as Root. Well, it's the Wyrm who got reborn. Root probably just somehow budded herself from those roots.
I kinda thought of the Worm form as something like a whale fall in the ocean, with entire communities and biomes of deep sea life forming around the corpse of the whale. Hollownest is the community that sprang up the decaying body of the Pale King, who reincarnated into a bug form.
An absolutely fascinating glimpse into one of the coolest examples of environmental worldbuilding on display in Hallownest. great work as always mossbag :O
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At this rate I think mossbag is gonna sacrifice *himself* for Silksong.
No cost is too great, after all.
no cost too great
I always thought that those white roots in kingdom’s edge were related to the White Lady. Even though they are on opposite sides of the hallow-nest map, they resemble the ones protruding from her in the Queen’s Gardens. Maybe they predate the Pale King and White Lady’s first encounter? Maybe the reason the Pale King settled down in Hallownest is because he got snagged in these roots? I think that this could also explain their appearance in the white palace, considering that the white lady probably meant a lot to the Pale King and would probably have influenced his dream world constructs to some degree. Kinda romantic tbh
Might I point out that it is never stated that the white lady was the one that laid the eggs containing the vessels. In fact, trees do not lay eggs… but worms do
Additionally, as pointed out in the video, the pale kings egg resembles those in the abyss
But what about his affair with Hera? We know female spiders lay eggs, so therefore the pale king cannot possibly lay those eggs as he’s male? Well, it would seem that way, but worms are hemaphrodites. It is quite possible the pale lady flowered (after all, she implies she can flower in her delicate flower dialogue), allowing her to impregnate the pale king, and then the pale king proceeded to impregnate Hera later
Just food for thought ❤
white lady got the pale king boypreggers (canon)
It cost you zero dollars for you to say any of this ☹️
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This is exactly what I've been saying and I'm so glad you put it to words in a way other than "PK MPREG IS REAL AND CANON ITS THE ONLY POSSIBLE OPTION NO GUYS TRUST ME PLEA"
A wyrm is normally used to reference a sort of wingless dragon. One example is in The Priory of the Orange Tree, where the creatures the East refers to as Dragons are called Wyrms in the West. There’s ton of other examples but that’s just the first one that comes to mind
I can’t believe the most shocking part of this video is the fact that Danny DeVito is 4‘10“ tall
Whoa the teeth animation is really good
Thanks
To further reinforce the snake/worm connection: There's an animal in the UK (and the rest of Europe) called a Slow Worm, which is neither a snake nor a worm, but a legless lizard (that looks a lot like a snake) - which is a name that probably has stuck around since the days where Wyrm meant either snake or worm
I know theres a lot of jokes about "this is evidence that the Hollowknight community really needs Silksong!", which is funny, but also I want to say I thought this was a very creative and thorough video on a topic that does have some serious questions. Things like the multiple sets of eyes on more ancient and primal beings is a connection I never made before, and the consistency of the direction of the white trees emerging from the location of the Wyrm corpse was a fascinating detail I'd never come across on my own.
Always love a new mossbag upload, keep up the good work dude!
This wasn't an idea I saw coming, but a very interesting one nonetheless.
I do think it'd make a lot of sense for the Wyrm's teeth to pull inward, not only scooping out rock from walls but also keeping any sort of prey trapped in its gullet. As far as Grimm's statement of Hallownest being "defiled by worm and root," while it would be appropriate to say that the King and Queen royally messed things up, it would probably be more applicable to have it simply be an analogy to say the kingdom is decayed, filled with flesh-eating worms and roots growing through it to drain it of nutrients.
I also like the idea of the Pale King being so suffused with Soul that he's basically Cell Games Goku where he can be Super Saiyan even while sleeping, and is constantly glowing from his barely-restrained power.
He didn't say defiled, he said fallowed, an agricultural term referring to readying land to plant stuff in it, which is something both worms and roots do
Basically Grimm is talking about the pale couple transforming the land into a kingdom
Given all this info, I sure would love to see the Pale King in combat. Dung Defender has talked about some great tales from Hallownest's past so it may be lore-compliant.
An ever-gleaming slender but mighty bug, flying in place with three pairs of wings, flanked by his most loyal knights.
If there was a boss fight against him, there would be a lot of smaller enemies thrown in, akin to an arena trial. I wonder if the corpse that the arena is in was the black wyrm DD mentioned and maybe the trials were originally theatric plays depicting the King conquests like the battle but devolved into mindless slaughter once the king was gone.
This might seem crazy, but I have a theory that says that, after dying, the little pale king became a Wyrm again, going back to his original form. This is explained by the tooth like structures found around his throne. It would also explain why the whole palace was destroyed: when the Pale King became a Wyrm, his body was just too big for the palace grounds.
My friend started playing h hollow knight and he’s very excited to see your content after finishing the game
Considering worms don't have metamorphosis. I'm leaning towards the pale king actually being a large caterpillar. Of which, one particular aussie species comes to mind. Ochrogaster Lunifer. These monster caterpillars fit a lot of the criteria for the lore (to the extent of reality anyhow). Including burying their clutch of eggs deep underground in the hundreds. As well as adults (moth form) lacking functional mouthparts and dying from starvation.
Anyways, a little disappointed in the lack of bug sex in this video ;p
Considering the pale king is never even shown to have legs, I think it might be a safe bet to theorize that it isn't a 'bug form' at all, but simply a smaller form of the wyrm that has fake eye markings on it to look like a bug's face. The real face is the mouth that looks like a 'crown'. Eventually it would grow bigger and become another great wyrm to go die somewhere else and seed the nutrients of its corpse into its next incarnation's kingdom. I imagine the wyrm is so big that it requires other bugs to bring it enough nutrients to grow, which is why its kingdom-building behavior evolved, and also why its larval form looks like a 'regular person' to better ingratiate itself to the locals.
In that case we suddenly have to explain where the body shape of Pale King’s children comes from - the White Lady is a legless plant creature, and Herrah is VERY different in size and shape from Hornet, except for the head.
@@mintw4241 Damn u right. But maybe their legs will fall off or something when they grow up, we haven’t seen silksong yet I suppose!
It's a common trope in fantasy for royalty to have ties to dragons. So I wouldn't be surprised at all if the image of a winged wyrm is the bug equivilent of a Dragon. After all, Wyrms are typically seen as a larval stage of dragons. From which dragons emerge. I suppose the egg inside of the wyrm would be the cocooning stage. And the man shaped thing that emerged from the egg would be the dragon.
I've always wondered why the pale king had moth wings. But perhaps the dragon parallels explain it. In stories, a wyrm often needs to bathe in an element like fire before it can evolve into a dragon. So perhaps the pale king bathed in the dreams of the moths. 🤔 And then emerged dream-laced. Acquiring some essence of the moths. Thus the moth winged cloak
This man has my utmost respect for being able to continuously think of new ideas for HK vids
For what it's worth, some of the dead creatures and statues that are shown having multiple eyes (14:52 and 15:06) look like they might actually have antorbital fenestra - essentially a hole in the bone structure that allows for a specific kind of sinus.
It would explain why the holes aren't the same size in some of them, though I'm not sure what it would imply for their bug-ness.
The only creatures that have them today are birds, though dinosaurs had them and crocodiles/alligators used to as well.
One of my theories is that all depctions of the pale king by his people were a little distorted from reality, we know he was a declining king that did reserve himself, to keep the image of a strong being
if youre wondering what happened to mossbag, leth got em!
About the monarch wing thing, since the vessel do look like beetles, their elytra’s/wings might’ve been glued shut, like some beetles, and that Monarch Wings can somewhat free them? I don’t really know, my mind just went to that.
Edit: holy shii man I’ve never gotten this much likes wtf 😭
Its a good point though!
I think that the reason his body and general appearance vary so much in his in game depictions is because he was said to rarely leave his palace and was almost never seen by his people, wich made the job of making art of him a more challenging, creating the weird variation seen on the objects (the four eyes, the segmented limbs, the dumpy, etc)
What I wouldn’t give to explore that wyrm’s anatomy
Maybe the extra set of eyes represent his foresight? Lemm calls the King's Idols symbols of omnipotence in his dialogue.
Edit: Well I just thought about it and omnipotent means all powerful, which is fitting of a god like being, and doesn't necessarily mean the Pale King's one ability of foresight
Few months of waiting for 15 seconds of masterpiece, good trade
man please don’t die your too funny
Fun fact about the Hungarian naming tradition that the letter 'Y' in itself pronounced the same as the letter 'i' and it is considered its older written form. There was a trend to keep the older Y form at the end of surenames after a language reform in the XVIII. century among nobility and higher social status citizens. As a consequence lot of people assumes even today that you have noble origins if your surname ends on a Y. For that reason reading the the word Wyrm always had some royal air about it for me :D
I'm so happy that you've featured Mebi in this! During Empires' production he was so helpful with his Pale King anatomy analysis and what he shared with us for reference. We were honestly so lucky to have someone as talented as him on the team for the project 💙
I think the knight, if given time, would grow into a segmented limbs like HK, mainly because HK in the flashback is small and pudgy like the knight is now.
so possibly Hornet will turn out the same or at very least might be a little more spider-like similar to Herrah. I believe that Hornet will end up with extra limbs, especially if we're subscribing to king having more limbs.
Considering the Knight and Hollow Knight came out of the same litter, I assume it’s something about THK’s diet or training or magic that let it grow that large, The Knight on its own probably wouldn’t grow much naturally (since Broken Vessel had probably just grown from infection like other enemies) I think Hornet is fully grown but I do think that she does have more than just 4 limbs
I've been waiting for your opinion on this! Glad you finally talked about it. Personally I think the FNAF movie cannot be seen as Horror as it's more a celebration of the FNAF franchise and it's fans. So if you go into it with that in mind it's a great watch! Recommend.
the pale king's eyes look to me like they are openings, almost implying there is much hidden within, while the vessels' eyes look hollow (which makes sense)
Since the pale king was birthed out of the egg in the cast of shell, does that mean that is was actually the pale king who birthed Hornet, and not Herrah? What exactly was this *"union"* ?
pegging
The egg in the cast-off shell is not an egg in the sense that it was a fertilized child in a Wyrm’s ovaries; it functioned more like a cocoon or chrysalis. Bardoon describes the “death” of a Wyrm as a “transformation”, as if to imply the Wyrm and Pale King simply begets from the first to the second, without outside involvement.
There is, of course, still no further mention about the Pale King’s nads.
Giggling and kicking my feet as I stand in the corpse a giant dead wyrm
exploring the pale kings guts 😳
i always thought the white grass and stuff were the pale lady's roots, like their marriage had fused their bodies together. i thought it would be interesting if marriages for pale beings werent just in paper or whatever hallownest uses for maps
About Monarch Wings, I would assume that they are not something directly for vessels as we don't see Hollow Knight use them, while it uses dash. Also Monarch Wings do sound like they are closer to Pale King personally (Does it make Him a butterfly, then the Wyrm form is a caterpillar)
Edit: Also, notice how Mothwing Cloak is found on a dead body of a vessel, so there doesn't seem to be anything special about it, while Monarch Wings have a dedicated spot for them and seem to be a unique thing because of that
Ooh.. this is gonna be interesting. I've always wondered about the Wyrms and what they were all about. The Pale King seemed to start out as seemingly a giant god in a world of tiny bugs but reincarnated as a smaller creature more comprehensive to the minds of the bugs. Reminds me of God coming to earth as Jesus to live a human life among the rest of us. Which reminds me of THK also being a Jesus parallel since he sacrificed himself to hang and save the world from sin/infection. But I digress lol.
I never thought of thk like that but thats actually true and also cool
Yea, HK/Jesus parallel is evident, especially if you look at one of TC past games, called Ugly Jesus VS Mummy.
13:00 caught me so off guard
I had to rewind like 4 times to confirm I heard it correctly
@emilyatheris9635 i just assumed he meant what he said and was prepared to hear the explanation, then had to rewind 4 times to understand what he actually meant
@@emilyatheris9635 same 💀
your sacrifice will be remembered
Huh, I always figured the white branches were some kind of offshoot of the White Lady. Whether really far off roots or something she left behind after taking a smaller form.
No way, I'm early for mossbag lore! I'll totally study this one not for writing hollow knight fanfic or anythingg
I always figured the white tree-like thingies in kingdom's edge were related to the white lady. It is stated in game that she didnt always live in the queen's gardens, so she had to come from somewhere. Maybe she was one of those white tree-like things and was ascended when the pale king died.
Interesting to note, the background inside the Wyrm seems to resemble some sort of muscular tissue, lending more to the idea of a snake-like Wyrm.
finally possibility of cloaks being wings and being useless due to getting hollowed out by abyss mentioned by mossbag.
He can’t keep getting away with this!
he did it again
What?
The strong wind from the Wyrm's corpse could be related to the process of putrefaction, where gases are released as part of bodily decay. Although given that the Wyrm's body is very, very old, that could have long passed.
wow what a great titan of a shell!
I enjoyed this more speculative dive into the Pale King's anatomy. Never before have i been so enthralled by the body of a creepy little guy.
With every new mossbag video I always wonder what voice from the game he will use at the beggining
I've always though that the glowing white roots we see coming off the wyrm corpse in Kingdom's Edge might be some aspect of the White Lady's "roots" since they resemble the branches coming from the Queen's Garden cocoon thing. But I guess that implies she's eating the old version of him lol weirdest marriage gift ever
You really explored deep into Pale King's body
Rest in peace mossbag, we’ll play silksong for you. 🕊️🕊️🕊️
It's nice to see someone actually analyzing the biology of Hallownest's residents. It's an aspect of the lore people don't really seem to consider.
Imagine growing up AND getting smaller at the same time. Couldnt be me
shocked that you're still making such good videos on interesting topics so far into the famine
The wind makes perfect sense to me. Decomposing bacteria create and expel gas. An organism as large as the Wyrm, decomposing all over, could hypothetically always be discharging a huge amount of decomposing gasses. The smell would be truly wretched...
As soon as I saw this video I thought "Oh god, he's found Mebi"
Never seen the wyrm from the front. I'm having some very unique thoughts.
just when i thought there was no more lore to be exploroed until silksong, the great mossbag has returned
from the looks of the glowing silhouette in the dung defender fight it looks like the pale king has four legs so the four little numbs on the statue where you gain a vessel fragment might be his legs
I swear if silksong doesn’t come out mossbag is gonna make a cornifer video
calling him a Wyrm could also be a symbolic thing, since dragons are almost always symbols of power. For example, even if someone isn't actually a dragon, their title could be something like "The Dragon" to communicate their strength. So even if the Pale King isn't actually a dragon the name "Wyrm" still works since he's powerful
The Pale King's transformation makes him seem less like a worm/wyrm and more like a caterpillar.
I love how he describes the time between Beowulf and the works of Tolkein as "a few years"
The "branches" discussed at 8:16 remind me of The White Lady. Might not have any correlation, but just a thought.
The nub arms on the statue and four eyes makes me think he has multiple forms, one for just doing kingly duties and one for battle, quite like the seven sins from the show Helluva Boss. Maybe his battle form is the one with >4 limbs, four eyes, and the splayed cloak, and the other is the one we see commonly, like at the end of white palace and the birthplace flashback.
I loved this video, and your comedy is so consistent (and awful, I love it so much) I hope Silksong arrives soon. You must be so hungry
if the pale king is also made of soul that explains the infinite soul totems depicting the pure vessel in the path of pain
love your vids!!!! This is like life support
Man, your videos are so damn good, and you still make me laugh in the most unexpected ways. Thank you (and the people who help) for what you do; you're the real Wyrm in my heart
I can totally dig why Herrah wanted a clutch from the Pale King, I would love to explore that anataomy as well. Or that of Hollow Knight ;D
This is mind-opening. I always thought the white flakes were just snow. Why didn't I see it, there is no snow underground.