Taki Udon's Clone MiSTer FPGA Review and Full Build! It's HERE...MiSTer FPGA Alternatives
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It’s MiSTer FPGA NEWS AND UPDATES time! N64 FPGA core news, MiSTer FPGA Sega Saturn core news, MiSTer FPGA arcade game news…and more! FPGA gaming and retro games all in one! with more Taki Udon MiSTer FPGA clone review and build! MiSTer FPGA alternatives are here! a Terasic DE-10 Nano clone for all (or Terasic DE10 Nano clone if you hate hyphens)
The MiSTer Pi review is here and the R2 MiSTer FPGA launch is imminent! Website is on Taki Udon's twitter and will be linked in the release tweet
ORDERS start Sept 4th at 8PM EST time and the second batch is 9/6 at 8AM EST
and now the Taki Udon MiSTer FPGA clone seems to have dropped in price and gained a ton of details on the handheld MiSTer FPGA front...as well as battery life specs on the most intensive MiSTer FPGA cores...and a new power setup on the MiSTer FPGA clone board! and now with full MiSTer FPGA price details and boards are in manufacturing for order soon! and a new SECOND portable MiSTer FPGA!
( / takiudon_ ) showed off a Terasic DE-10 Nano clone board and RAM from a maker promising a MiSTer FPGA setup for $125 total. So let's look into whats going on...because they are also talking about a portable MiSTer FPGA / handheld MiSTer FPGA. Is this your new MiSTer FPGA build or MiSTer FPGA setup? Dunno! But now there are cores running on it here!
Credit: Taki Udon - Taki II : / @takiudon2
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I asked, you answered...and I try to listen :) Of all the requests for new content on the channel one of the most frequently asked for videos is a series on the Terasic DE-10 Nano MiSTer FPGA hardware...so here it is! Retro gaming goodness.
Some mainstream stuff and some hidden gem games this month!
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Dog pen AND cat pen!? It's a god damned fiesta up in here!
I’m glad SOMEONE noticed. Obv it was you
@@VideoGameEsoterica not going to lie, I thought they were little gloved hands pointing until yesterday
"Cat and dog pens, living together, MASS HYSTERIA!"
@@draketungsten74 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Haha def not
Forget about the name, this is a huge W. Looking forward to Takis future MiSTer products.
I’ll def review them all
I hope the cheaper entry price also gets more developers onboard, so many arcade games still missing that would be amazing
Yes more developers would help
@@HardcoreTanoshii Why would a cheaper product attract more devs? It works the same a .mister, so nothing has changed really. So far Jotego seems the most likely source for 95% of the arcade catalogue and most of the popular consoles are covered, so just alot of rare stuff left or things that cannot fit on to the current hardware. Also if you join his patreon you get a vote to influence what he works on next.
Bigger user base = more potential patreon dollars = more potential devs showing interest
@@VideoGameEsoterica more Jotego staff
I think the devs are waiting for the next platform and are probably losing interest in what's left to engineer for mister. I mean without jotego and Robert p, and saturn dev, it woukd be pretty much dead
VGE + MiSTer is a killer combo. Love the content bro. Keep bringing us Awesome vids
Aww thanks. Plenty more coming!
The most anticipated video for me in a long time.
For a lot of people I think. I worked hard to get this done as the package arrived today
@@VideoGameEsoterica Great Work ! Hopefully I''ll be one of the lucky ones, THANKS in no small part to you getting this update out.
Best of luck :)
@@Stomp409 yes yes yes blessing to this guy.
Looking at the comments, it seems some people find the Mister Pi name to be a bit...Taki? 🤣
sry I had to do it.
20 VGE points for a dad joke!
LMAO
Taki is a legend.
He’s done a great job indeed
@@VideoGameEsoterica I really want him to develop a MiSTer device that has a slot for NES, Genesis, and SNES - so I can chunk my analogue products. I think this would be the ultimate money making endeavor.
@Hawk_Eye_Retro they may very well be doing that
It's great that there is now an affordable MISTer stack, sucks I spent regular prices last year for the 2 I have now. =/
Still a great value for what it does
I wouldn't worry. I still plan on buying original and if I can get this one.
Disappointed that there are 1000 potential cute food names to play off his "udon" brand awareness, and he wen't with "MiSTer Pi" 😭 Regardless, that looks like a MiSTer to me! Great job! Now I can find a cheaper replacement if mine blows up 🙏
MiSTer Noodle lol
@@VideoGameEsoterica but is it gluten free?
Mister T would have been fun too. I pity the fool that doesn't order one 😁
@mudstuff I’d pay double for that
mister pi is just a dumb name, and his reasoning for it was dumb saying that SBCs adopt the pi name, except those SBCs are usually drop in replacements or alternatives to a raspi. this is not even iin the same category of the pi other thanit being an sbc. it's dumb.
Never mind game emulation - this is a good FPGA development setup, in general.
The one thing I'd ask for is high speed ADC / DAC on an expansion board. BUT that would "break" compatibility with the original DE-10, because standard header pins make poor connections at higher speeds.
A very good setup
Take these broken wings
And learn to fly again
Learn to live so free
When we hear the voices sing
Low key my fav part of mister videos. Its Pavlovian at this point.
The Easter egg of Easter eggs
Haha I’ve been using it for four years now
Haha
I’m glad people love that part
So far everything that you've said and shown of this board is exactly everything that I wanted to see/hear. The fact that I can clone my already-existing MiSTer SD card onto another one and use that for the Taki board with no issue is another big plus for me.
There's another channel I'm subbed to called "What's Ken Making", where he recently reviewed the QMTech clone boards, and in his video he actually revealed and explained the subtle differences the chips that the QMTech boards used compared to the DE-10's chips which, while subtle, in some ways were arguably better than what is normally used on the DE-10. I'm curious to see what subtle differences the chips on the Taki boards may have compared to the DE-10's, if there's any that exist that is.
As for what I'd like to see tested on the Taki board, I'd like to see some N64 and Saturn emulation done since those, along with the PSX core, are the cores that used up the most resources on a DE-10. I wanna see just how one-to-one the Taki board actually is with the DE-10 when it comes to these cores.
So, now we wait for the other Taki models to come out...
Yes the chip code breakdown. In practice any differences really wouldn’t affect anything
@VideoGameEsoterica Yeah, they wouldn't, but I've recently grown to appreciate little details like these when reviewing tech in-depth. Not that I'm asking YOU to go into that level of depth since your way of doing things suits you just fine, and I've got other channels that do that sort of thing that I can watch.
For me I weigh whether I think my audience benefits from that detail. If I say “X diff but that doesn’t change anything” I worry they dwell on whether it’s automotive / commercial / industrial SKUs.
But then I spend 30 seconds on proper diagonal screw patterns 🤣
I loved that diagonal screw pattern section because it pointed out that I've been doing it wrong all my life. And it did it gently, and with kindness. Great job.
Haha thanks. Thats the “teacher” in me (I taught college CS and film production)
I hope everyone that wants one is able to get one. Ill be refreshing the page tonight.
Very cool, going to have a lot of friends joining the Mister Train now.
Very cool, thanks for the overview VGE!
Hope everyone that is just now getting into MiSTer is able to get one at launch. We need more newcomers to enjoy this awesome hobby.
Yes I want these to go to new users for the majority of the first runs
And toxic community
Wow! Excellent! Amazing to see our niche little hobby continue to grow.
And let’s hope it keeps growing!
Damn the comment section is crazy, why don't people take their time to read Taki twitter TL, everything is there, this video is mostly an unboxing / assembly guide.
Thanks for the video VGE I'm looking forward your accessories compatibility test and full review.
Glad you enjoyed the vid
PUT YOUR THUMBS UNDER THE DE-10 WHEN YOU INSTALL THE RAM AND USE YOUR FINGERS TO SQUEEZE IT AND THE RAM TOGETHER!
lol why all the caps?
@@VideoGameEsotericai understand the caps.. it was so obvious yet you mashed down like an animal and didn't support with your thumbs (lol I was only slightly bothered)
Good taste Sir, SOTN is my favourite game too!
The first game I load up on any new device
I love me some nice packaging. He should have gone the extra mile and included a hilarious illustration to complete that Master System vibe.
Hahaha some really bad drawing of something
Yeah, a caricature of Taki eating noodles in the style of the terrible Alex Kidd box art would have been great.
@@eyeball226or with a "pie" to the face
Yes! I can do this. Ready for my first MiSTer, once it's available. Great video!
Glad you enjoyed :)
Great video, really loved how you broke things down and made it not feel intimidating. Can't wait to get my hands on one of these, going to be building a DIY arcade cabinet with this at the heart. I can see myself using the HDMI for video capture or occasional casual living room use but primarily going to be using it with a CRT and the analog video output.
I try to make it easily understandable for all :)
If only i waited for this to come out haha!
Still good to have a MiSTer no matter which one
Yes! It's real and it's fantastic! I had to save for a few years to afford a RetroCastle. Now, I can pick up one of these without thinking twice. What a time to be alive!
It’ll def get a LOT more people into the community
@@VideoGameEsoterica and the more the merrier in my opinion. You might more core developer hobbiests and if we're lucky, developer career-men (ah la Jotego).
Yes we could use more core devs
I've been so excited to check this out. This will be my first experience with MiSTer. Hopefully, I can get one. ☺
Best of luck!
I really need this in my life! I can barelly wait to get my hands on it!
Great video as always VGE! Cant wait to get my hands on this one
Was a fun one to make
Got my order in last night. Excited for it to ship.
Congrats on snagging one
Great that this will push the project even more. I know some guys that waited for a cheaper option. I will definitely buy at least one more. But at that price point I see myself buying one for each room in the house. And for the name: It might be confusing for a second but I don't care.
I see many are worried about scalpers, but what are they going to do, buy up all these and sell them for the same as normal FPGA or more? I don’t see the point of that…but scalpers be scalping I guess.
Scalpers have their own logic sadly
Looks so good…think I said this before but not only is the price fantastic but it’s also a great preservation project as if Terasic decide to stop making the DE10 nano now it doesn’t really matter. Top guide too
Yes if Terasic discontinues these we have the clones
invaluable video thanks. I'll be using this when I soon get one. These things are surely going to sell like hot cakes and I think channels like this are helping with that
Happy to do it. Tomorrow morning is the 2024 setup guide which is purely the software side. In anticipation of new MiSTer users getting boards soon
@@VideoGameEsoterica excellent I'll be checking it out
👍
Managed to score one on the first batch. Looks like my gamble to sell my MiSTer on eBay and get this board paid off. Would have sucked to miss out and be left without a MiSTer.
Congrats on grabbing one
I love the Master System style packaging.
It’s def a vibe
Beautiful Sega Master System homage there. Great overall package
It’s a fun package overall
Only hear about Taki's project a couple months ago. I definitely want to get one of these for some good ol C64 gaming. 😉 Hopefully I can grab one soon (although I'm sure they'll go quick).
First batch went in like five minutes
@@VideoGameEsoterica Not surprised.
Me either. Stock will probably normalize around batch 4 would be my guess
@@VideoGameEsoterica ill just keep my eyes on his site and one day... 😉
Great video, waiting for part 2!
Just got mine ordered! I had a mega pack and ram combo in cart but mega pack sold out before I could buy it, it only cost a few dollars more to get the other boards separately so I did that.
Enough to assemble!
I hope he can keep it in stock because I think it's almost guaranteed each batch will sell out within seconds right now
There are apparently multiple batches coming after the first two
@@VideoGameEsoterica I ended up getting one so I'm good! lol. The mega pack sold out in like 3 minutes, everything sold out in about 8 minutes.
I heard they went quick
Now we just need a nice case!
I’m sure they’ll come very soon
My guess for the name. It was decided by the other founders for marketing purposes. We may hate it but it will sell more.
Ask someone about a FPGA and they may not know but about PI and they will say, oh that thing where you can play classic games?! Nice!
Honestly, IDGAF, I just want better pricing.
Better pricing is key
My money is ready. Taki have a date for release yet?
From X:
MiSTER Pi batch 1 first half: September 5th 8AM Beijing (GMT+8) / September 4th 8PM EST
MiSTER Pi batch 1 second half:
September 6th 8PM Beijing (GMT +8) / September 6th 8AM EST
It looks neater put together than the official de10-nano and all its hacky addons but it is 8+ years since the original so to be expected.
It kind of just looks like a triple stack
Are the standoffs it comes with enough for attaching the 3D printed case to it? What else would we need?
Unsure as I’ve yet to have the case in front of me
Looks and sounds promising. I’m thrilled that way more people will be able to experience Mister. My only worries were the N64 and Saturn cores since they seem to be picky about memory timing but based on the tone here I’m guessing they were fine. Can’t wait to see the next video
That will be tested and showcased in part 2 plus whatever else people ask to see
@@VideoGameEsoterica Estimated time for the next video?!
Later this week
Do you know if the stack fits in MisterAddons “MiSTer FPGA Aluminum Passively Cooled Armor”?
The port spacing is diff so it’s not a drop in
Wow Taki got these out to reviewers so fast. Before the first orders go live too. I’ll probably wait for the mainstream console or handheld though. Either way I’ll get one of the Taki products.
Yes they shipped last Fri I think? I’d have had it yesterday but Labor Day
@@VideoGameEsoterica do you know when we will have news for the flagship release and its details?
I don’t know anything that hasn’t been in a vid yet
Interesting. Is there a release date for this Mister Pi?
I should look further if this will released.
Batch one sold last night and batch two goes out tomorrow am
Hey VGE! are these clone boards cross compatible with official parts (in my case the original analog I/O board)?
Yes’ish. I’ll go over more of that once I can test and get diff boards in front of my camera
I'd love to know if it plays nice with the MisterAddons Analog I/O Pro or if there's any quirks. Right now, I think the best bang for your buck for a caseless build would be building a Taki Mister kit with everything but an IO board, then grabbing one of those from MisterAddons.
I can / will look into it but I need to do some checking before I strap random boards on
+1 …please test this, whether Taki’s clone board can be used with the IO Analog Pro/IO Direct will be the deciding factor for me
I’ll ask Porkchop because I need to verify it’s not a “magic smoke maker”
Thank you, I will use your Video, if I have my one. I Hope I will get one tonight. Greets from Germany :)
Hope you get one!
I'm sure this is what Terasic wanted someone to do. They aren't really set up to manufacture things as fast as the MiSTer crowd was buying them.
Yes the MiSTer crowd and the FPGA dev board consumer has near to zero overlap
This is the video I've been waiting for! ( I wrote this comment before I started the video, then immediately heard you read my comment as the video opened, how did you do that?)
Haha almost like I know what you all are thinking :)
Praying i get one in the first batch 🙏 everyone keeps jabbing at taki for this and that, what an entitled mindset. Im just happy someone is offering such a banging deal on a mister. Finally gonna be able to finish my arcade cab
It’s the internet. That’s what people do. You should see my inbox 🤣 some ANGRY people
It's a great thing for the Mister community to see the Taki clone working and apparently running well. I'm curious to find out if there are any performance difference when testing more demanding N64 games such as Golden Eye. I also really like that it comes with a 24-bit video dac.
N64 tests will be part of the vid series
PCN did a live stream yesterday and N64 and Saturn games were working great on the Taki clone
@mudstuff that’s been my experience so far
Pretty much everything runs exactly the same on this clone board like it does on the de 10 nano board. Taki really hit a homerun with this one.
Holding off until I see some power. Once Killer Instinct arcade gets running on it, I'm all in.
lol power? N64 not good enough? lol
@TheRealJPhillips it’s 1:1 with official de10-nano Mister, you will never see Killer Instinct. Same cores as official Mister. This is not a power upgrade for specs or speed.
Exactly. It’s no different and that’s by design
@@VideoGameEsoterica haven't even seen killer instinct gold EVER running on ANY fpga YET. Just sayin
Does the AV IO board have a soft power on button? Or do we need a power supply with a switch? Thanks!
No the buttons are the standards and it’s not soft power
Super excited for this. I have a nes & my original genesis, but I’ve wanted a mister for pc engine , snes ect. Definitely getting one.
Hope you get one :)
I definitely want to get one of these for a friend & his kid, but I'm waiting for a shell/case to be released first.
Def don’t want to give one to a kid without a case
I'd like to see a racing game for each core
And if analog out works fully
Analog fully works and it’ll be in part 2
@@VideoGameEsoterica I meant to say taxing game, autocorrected to racing, but some racing games are taxing so maybe that's a good idea anyway
Can you provide a link for the USB WiFi key? I bought two of them and they're both not compatible with the MiSTer.
Links get eaten in comments. Find me on Twitter or discord
How good is the mister fpga ps1 core these days? I have an OG mister I havent used since 2020 but, does the ps1 core has save states? How accurate is it?
Yes and extremely accurate
I've been looking forward to this video. It all seems too good to be true at this price point
So far it’s just been true :)
@@VideoGameEsoterica I'm too old to not be suspicious, but I'm so happy to hear it
I understand. The price point and the promise seem so cheap as to be impossible. But clearly it was very possible
@@VideoGameEsoterica I'll find out soon, I guess. Just landed one from the latest batch
Congrats
Can't wait to see how well the Saturn and N64 cores will work.
Def will be testing them
What kinda cable do you need to fit this into a consumer CRT with composite input?
I’ll go over that in part 2 but you need to get from RGB to composite
The only question I had was what's the CL latency on the ram? Idk if you can test that. The QM Tech fpga has Cl 13 where the reg mister has 9. It hasn't caused issues "yet" but it's something to consider for future builds.
I’ll be testing this vid 2
Coming from someone who purchased a Mister and all the accessories way back, let open the floodgates to affordable FPGA!
Absolutely! We need more users
The more the merrier!
Exactly. Brings more of everything to the table
Same! This is what we all need in the hobby.
And more syrup
Should be interesting to see whether a future revision can actually pull off N64.
Still very exciting, that package material that looks like MasterSystem stuff is just beautiful.
I believe this can, Taki has his own overview that shows it running N64, albeit briefly. But he didn’t mention any issues.
The normal Mister can play the entire N64 library I believe. So the Taki Mister should be no different.
Runs N64 fine
N64 works as expected
Yep that’s the story
Do those new v9.2 analog I/O boards work with component video on all cores, including the ones that haven't been updated in years?
Will have to check. First 9.2 in my collection. I’ve used nothing but MiSTer Addons parts til now
usb-c power is such a relief
It’s a good port haha. Can’t get it wrong like USB A
Let's see some mistercade testing!
Just gotta be sure it’s fully compatible
For part 2 if you have one would be you be able to show off the RTC module? I noticed in Taki's build he didn't show it off in his clone.
I actually don’t have one believe it or not
Glad I didn't jump the gun on a getting a DE10 nano board before they "went up" in price due to the popularity of the mister project... no all I have to do is wait for the "console" version of Taki's mister project
They really went up due to the chip shortage in 2020/2021
Looks like an amazing product.
Zero complaints so far
@@VideoGameEsoterica What, at this current time, would be your #1 reason to get the official MiSTer rather than this?
As of right now I think this is as good as the Terasic
@@VideoGameEsoterica Do you think this clone will also be cloned? Will the market now flood with MiSTer variants?
I bet you see at least one more
Thank you very much
Happy to do it
Even though it is cheaper, I know that I can still spend less and do more with perfectly capable and more versatile everyday emulation devices.
It’s just good to have options
I like my emulation handhelds but the input delay is so noticeable compared to playing fpga on my analogue pocket, so looking forward to a more accurate emulation with this mister clone and a more comfortable way to play 64 and arcade games.
Nice background music.👌
Please try putting this in a multisystem case🙏🙏🙏
In the future I will
Thanks for the overview. I'd love to know if it's feasible to adapt the triple stack into a more vertical, console format like the multisystem. I'm also keen to see the analog output in action. Hope I snag one tomorrow and it's soon in use on my little PVM.
I’ll look into multisystem compatibility
Chose the best possible game as the test game.
It’s the first game I load in any test if I can haha
What a stupid release format, no paypal only credit card. Had it in my cart but couldn't checkout because I didn't have a privacy card on hand or you know reserve the cart until you can check out.
Privacy card?
It’s a temporary card so you aren’t giving the vendor your real debit card information.
Ahh. Never use them. I just let Amex do the protecting
What a giant waste of my time. I PRE FILLED my address and the checkout made me put it again and WOULD NOT ACCEPT A FIVE DIGIT ZIP CODE. Fought with it and then it changed to out of stock. Site is a complete piece of you know what.
Nice vid as always 🎉
Glad you enjoyed!
IT'S HAPPENING!
Tomorrow 8 pm EST
13:55 Verbal typo: "Five amp two volt wall wart". Should be the other way around.
Yep I transposed the numbers
Managed to order a mega pack last night! I’m assuming the clone is compatible with ioboards from other vendors right? I’m eyeing one from misteraddons for the svideo connection through Saturn cable.
Unsure if the IO Pro is compatible yet. So I might wait a minute. I’ll ask Porkchop
Thanks! Crossing my fingers.
I’m looking into it
Where can I order this?
Thanks for this setup video! I have an old Sony 15" CRT that only connects by VGA so I think I will try the analog video out on the MiSTer. Can it output both analog and HDMI at the same time? (i.e. 2 displays at same time?) Also, do you know what the latency timing is for the 1GB DDR3 on-board memory? The incumbent MiSTerFPGA sellers must be worried, because nobody is going to buy their high priced items any more since Taki's MiSTer Pi is so much cheaper.
You can output both at the same time. I will talk about latency next vid
Is there a jamma adapter ? And can it out put to arcade analog monitor ?
I haven’t tested any JAMMA setups with this as of yet so undetermined
Can you hook this up on CRT TV at all? Im very interested. I want to play some unported arcade games on this thing.
You can and I’ll show analog in part 2 but spoiler : it works as expected
13:47 I believe you mean to recommend a 5V 2A charger.
6:25 The two USB ports in the back of the USB hub are power only, right?
Yes some ports are not for controllers. The silkscreens demarcate them
What tradeoffs would I have to deal with if I wanted to connect it to a CRT?
None
Is this thing already sold out or just not available yet on the website. It has always said sold out...
what is the website address?
Do you have a MiSTercade JAMMA setup? Any recommended JAMMA adapters for this? Thinking about ordering the Mega Pack and the RAM combo so I can put one in a cabinet and one in my console game room.
Looking forward to testing on this as well.
I do and I’ll check soon
It will be part of the testing
Wait, so if its final name is "MiSTer Pi" is it actually a Pi emulating a DE10 running MiSTer?
No. It’s just a clone DE-10 board
@@VideoGameEsoterica Ok, thanks for the clarification!
👍
Im planning on order one tomorrow
Hope you get one!
@@VideoGameEsoterica Thanks man. You know that i'm waiting to get my budget MISTer for quite some time now, right? :)
@miguelcarneiro1192 haha just a couple weeks
Thats about it my friend :) :) :)
If possible I'd like to see Armed Police Batrider tested. I've seen it give some people issues before on their Misters(possibly due to ram version?)
I’ll add it to the potential list
i could sleep to the SOTN OST.
It’s a classic
When will they sell?
I am updating their website for days now and it always says sold out, but there never was any stock available..
See description :)
The site hasn't actually gone live yet. First orders are being processed beginning tomorrow.
Very nice
A good result for sure
Great video :) Any idea if the usb change will impact compatibility with the mister multisystem?
Unsure as of yet. I’d have to look into compatibility.
@@VideoGameEsoterica Thanks for the quick reply! I’ll try to do a lil research as well. Best and thanks for all your work 💪🏻
Happy to do it!
I'm wondering if the FPGA IO Direct from misteraddons can work with this.
I haven’t tested yet but I’ll look into it
@@VideoGameEsoterica Thank you. I'm new to all this. I see that the IO Direct has a DC jumper and idk how that would work.
Hence the looking into it :) I don’t either. It may. It may not. Might need some parts