Lyndon Johnson would also start screaming about brake failure while driving guests around his ranch, and go careening into the lake, at which point his terrified guests would realize the car was amphibious.
"How the South Preserved the Union" is my favorite one. That along with "Fireside Chat" and "Kingfish." Also, in regards to that recording of Emperor Hirohito being almost intercepted, that was actually portrayed in the 2012 film, "Emperor." Lastly, are you guys ever going to talk about Joe Steele? I got done with it the other day and it was ridiculous but amazing at the same time!
I need to see Emperor. I almost saw it with my grandpa when it was in theaters. And for Joe Steele, for over a year I've been trying to convince Matt to read it so we can do an episode. One day....
19:08 For those of you wondering that is the "After the End" mod for CK2. A post-apocalypse mod where society had to restart and the Americas north of the Amazon have advanced to feudal Europe levels of technology. There are many references in it like mercenaries named after sport teams and a religion called consumerism that worships the all-mighty Dollar in the temples they call Malls.
to be precise about Garfield's medical care, his doctor was an old friend from the Civil War, who brought his Battlefield surgical tactics with him (probing, no sanitation, etc) He was also fiercely protective of his position, refusing to allow any other doctors to examine Garfield and even refusing to allow Bell to examine anywhere but where he insisted the bullet must be...which it turns out was on the opposite side of Garfield's body from where it actually ended up, hence why it wasn't found. as for Panthers with 88mm guns, there was a planned upgrade to the Panther to allow them to mount 88's, but it never came to fruition beyond a few prototypes.
The leader of Equatorial Guinea is Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo. Also looking up this I saw the Kazakhstan's leader has been it's head of state *During it's time as a part of the Soviet Union.*
I just discovered your channel. Thanks for talking about one of my favorite guilty pleasure books. But you left out the best part of “How the South Preserved the Union.” The narrator was an old aide of President Atchison who was telling this story from 20+ years in the future. And he was telling it because he ran across some silly alternative history story about the North winning the Civil War. At one point, he scoffs at the idea that Lincoln could ever have been President, calling him something like backwater, hillbilly from Illinois. Really enjoyed the video. Thanks!
I live in the Canadian maritimes, and that map of Canada you used has some funky provincial borders. It reminds me of how in hearts of iron 4 Prince Edward Island is part of Nova Scotia. Another thing is that the après moi le déluge total overhaul mod for hoi4 makes the top left corner of New Brunswick part of the gaspe state instead. If you click on the province you can see the old outline of the border and where it should be. Speaking of which, you guys should do an episode on Après moi le déluge.
WHERE IS ME OPERATION UNTHINKABLE! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Also, if Huey was going to run in 1936, Charles Coughlin would've been his most likely running mate.
Speaking of Operation Unthinkable, I just started reading Robert Conroy's "Red Inferno: 1945". I've never read a Conroy book before, but I like it so far. It'll definitely get brought up whenever we end up doing a Operation Unthinkable episode.
Talkernate History, if you want a guest on the show, you can always contact me, I think I’d be a great meme if I appear on the episode that I continually asked for.
So I discovered that if wendell willkie had won the 1940 election, both he and his VP would have died before October of 1944. And at that time the president succession would have gone to Willkies secretary of State, and that's impossible to determine who that would have been unless he declared who he had wanted for that job at some point. So yea from October 1944 to Jan 1945 in the middle of ww2 the president would have been the secretary of state. If I use FDR secretary of state that Cordell Hull but guess what he steps down in Nov 1944 so another secretary of state comes in to be president? Or would it go to secretary of defense then? It gets really tricky and I tried to find an article or something that went over this scenario but I couldn't find one. Needless to say, thats why the presidential succession act of 1947 was made but still, what a crisis that would have been.
The "handsomest president" had his campaign biography written by the country's best-selling author at the time, Nathaniel Hawthorne, which probably helped. Hawthorne was his college roommate, and as a reward got a well-paying gig as the American Consul in Liverpool during Pierce's presidency.
It looks interesting; gonna give it a try, I love stories about an alternate WW one. But it also disappointed from the title “GREY tide in the East”, I thought it might have been a modern-day confederacy story. Instead the yanks coming “over there” It would have been: “over there! Send the word, send the word over there! that the Rebs are coming! The Rebs are coming!
mrS I think it might be one of my favorite alternate history stories. I've always preferred hyper-realistic alternate history to the more whimsical, and Andrew Heller goes above and beyond to provide a realistic scenario. In many ways to his detriment I think, as there are many potential avenues for narrative in Heller's work that he avoids in order to maintain realism. Heller hates to guess about any particular event, always looking for the most reasonable answer (often providing his sources as well).
My Great Grandfather was a field radio operator for the AAF in Burma. He always discussed about meeting Australians and other commonwealth soldiers but never about any combat.
37:10 As a lithuanian I can answear that question. It's because our politicians at the time. Didn't like the red color wich reminded them of the bolsheviks who also used the red font as their flag.
I want an alternate history where Michael Crichton becomes president and we have dinosaurs roaming the white house. Hey I never said I wanted a believable scenario
With Harding vs. Cox, two Ohio small town publishers run against each other for the Presidency. Originally, Harding was supposed to be Teddy Roosevelt's running mate in 1920, but TR died in 1919 so Harding inherited the top job. There's an alt-history for you: TR runs in 1920, and dies of a heart attack, so Harding inherits the job instead of Coolidge. In real life, Cox after lost the presidential race, he grew his small town newspaper into a family-owned media empire - and today his daughter's company provides cable TV and broadband service around the country as Cox Communications.
I know it's not strictly related to alternate history, but I think it'd be cool if yall could cover fallout on your podcast. It does have some alternate timeline related stuff in the lore.
Max, you are thinking of the Breda M37 - an Italian MG used in WWII. "Another peculiarity of the design is that the spent cases were reinserted in the tray as each round was fired." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_M37 As Ian Hogg quipped, this feature made for a nice clean battlefield.
Great video! At 1:14:29 though, its pronounced Bermudian, not Bermudan. Also, Bacardi was originally a Cuban company that fled the island in the 60's after the communist revolution, and re-established themselves in Bermuda.
39:20 Fun Fact: In 1932, Newfoundland's Prime Minister Richard Squires had to run away from our Parliament which was being attacked by an Angry mob! Afterwards, It was decided to go back to being a British colony.
Thanks love this show! Do you think you would ever do a topic like...England if the norman invasion of 1066 failed or a sucessful spanish armada invading england. Also i got audio book of guns of the south on your recomendatin
Although I don’t think too much highly of his politics the thing to keep in mind with regard to George W. Bush even though he was at the Texas Air national guard, he was flying interceptors who had one purpose to splash out of the sky Soviet bombers coming over the Arctic. Yes he did not go to Vietnam but he chose what could’ve been and is much more dangerous mission if the SHTF. On a separate sidenote Mike Dukkakis would have clinched the election if he had fired the tank at Willie Horton
48:35 that must be the Gandhi from the Civilization games. Because of an aggression value bug, Gandhi is usually the first AI leader to use nuclear weapons in that game series lol Just google "Nuclear Gandhi" if you would like to know more!
Have you guys ever read the flashman papers? Not exactly alternate history, but it would be great for your podcast: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flashman_Papers
Yes, my dad got me to read a couple of them. They're interesting, but more historical fiction than alternate history. By the way, there's a Flashman movie from 1975 called "Royal Flash" starring Malcolm McDowell.
I'm reading the last two books in the series. In order to do a full fledged episode on it I would need to convince Matt to read it too, which would be a tall order. Although we discuss the series briefly in the next episode.
There was an account during the Civil War of the Boston Irish Brigade running into the Atlanta Irish Brigade on the field of battle details obscure but after the battle they tended to each other's wounded and buried each other's dead as the Confederate chaplain was the only surviving Catholic priest in company of any military division at that time
So, finally realized I hadn't actually watched this video even though I keep hearing references to Dukakis throughout the vids. On the XI Corps at Gettysburg: While not all of the troops in the XI Corps were german, between a third and half of it was. And most of its top commanders were German or other immigrants. One of them was Alexander Schimmilfenning, who had fought in the 1848 revolutions, went to London and joined the Communist League, where he was part of a faction opposing a weirdo upstart by the name of Karl Marx. Yeah...one of the union commanders at Gettysburg...was technically a communist.
Hey Talkernate History, since you covered Kaiserreich on this show, do you think you could possibly make a video on the upcoming HoI4 mod The New Order: Last Days of Europe?
It isn't exactly the most plausible or realistic of Axis Victory scenarios, but it looks very fascinating from what's been shown in the dev diaries. Here's a link to their thread on the alternate history website: www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/the-new-order-last-days-of-europe-an-axis-victory-cold-war-mod-for-hoiiv.430817/
You just talked your grandfather out of next years fruit basket
Is this for real!!!?
No!
You mean like the fruit of the loom logo???
Lyndon Johnson would also start screaming about brake failure while driving guests around his ranch, and go careening into the lake, at which point his terrified guests would realize the car was amphibious.
"How the South Preserved the Union" is my favorite one. That along with "Fireside Chat" and "Kingfish."
Also, in regards to that recording of Emperor Hirohito being almost intercepted, that was actually portrayed in the 2012 film, "Emperor."
Lastly, are you guys ever going to talk about Joe Steele? I got done with it the other day and it was ridiculous but amazing at the same time!
I need to see Emperor. I almost saw it with my grandpa when it was in theaters. And for Joe Steele, for over a year I've been trying to convince Matt to read it so we can do an episode. One day....
Talkernate History
Cant rush good content. ^^
Talkernate History
Also, before I forget, did you know that there was an Irish brigade that fought for Mexico during the Mexican American War?
I love the new Garfield podcast
27:27-28:00 has got the be the hardest I have ever laughed at a podcast, keep up the good work guys!
Paraguayan War mentioned. Paraguayan War Talkarnate History episode confirmed.
19:08 For those of you wondering that is the "After the End" mod for CK2. A post-apocalypse mod where society had to restart and the Americas north of the Amazon have advanced to feudal Europe levels of technology.
There are many references in it like mercenaries named after sport teams and a religion called consumerism that worships the all-mighty Dollar in the temples they call Malls.
to be precise about Garfield's medical care, his doctor was an old friend from the Civil War, who brought his Battlefield surgical tactics with him (probing, no sanitation, etc) He was also fiercely protective of his position, refusing to allow any other doctors to examine Garfield and even refusing to allow Bell to examine anywhere but where he insisted the bullet must be...which it turns out was on the opposite side of Garfield's body from where it actually ended up, hence why it wasn't found.
as for Panthers with 88mm guns, there was a planned upgrade to the Panther to allow them to mount 88's, but it never came to fruition beyond a few prototypes.
We’re still talking about Garfield the cat, right?
Why can i picture Henry clay saying "im afraid the tariff will be quite operational when your friends arrive".
I keep coming back to this episode, it's real great.
But the part I love the most is the Darth Clay bit, it never ceases to make me cry laughing.
The leader of Equatorial Guinea is Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo.
Also looking up this I saw the Kazakhstan's leader has been it's head of state *During it's time as a part of the Soviet Union.*
This is such a criminally underrated show
I did not expect this video to talk about Garfield: a tale of two kitties
A surprise to be sure but a welcome one
I just discovered your channel. Thanks for talking about one of my favorite guilty pleasure books. But you left out the best part of “How the South Preserved the Union.” The narrator was an old aide of President Atchison who was telling this story from 20+ years in the future. And he was telling it because he ran across some silly alternative history story about the North winning the Civil War. At one point, he scoffs at the idea that Lincoln could ever have been President, calling him something like backwater, hillbilly from Illinois.
Really enjoyed the video. Thanks!
You guys are alive!
I live in the Canadian maritimes, and that map of Canada you used has some funky provincial borders. It reminds me of how in hearts of iron 4 Prince Edward Island is part of Nova Scotia. Another thing is that the après moi le déluge total overhaul mod for hoi4 makes the top left corner of New Brunswick part of the gaspe state instead. If you click on the province you can see the old outline of the border and where it should be. Speaking of which, you guys should do an episode on Après moi le déluge.
WHERE IS ME OPERATION UNTHINKABLE!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Also, if Huey was going to run in 1936, Charles Coughlin would've been his most likely running mate.
The Mann love your channel man.
Speaking of Operation Unthinkable, I just started reading Robert Conroy's "Red Inferno: 1945". I've never read a Conroy book before, but I like it so far. It'll definitely get brought up whenever we end up doing a Operation Unthinkable episode.
The Mann
Ey mann
Sounds good man. Can't wait for that episode!
Talkernate History, if you want a guest on the show, you can always contact me, I think I’d be a great meme if I appear on the episode that I continually asked for.
Watching this at 11 o'clock, who needs sleep? Glad you guys are back!
One of them made a youtube comment at this very moment
This channel has got to be the wierdest channel Im always hyped about. Great visuals and very good understanding of history.
For the love of God stop showing Henry Clay's face. It's the most disgusting and disturbing thing I've ever seen
Speedy Sphincter Henry clay lemon party
@@hedgehognegative1059 lord give me strength lmfao
What's goin' on with Aaron Burr's left eye, there? I urgently need to know what his eye's plan is, and why it's running away from his face
One eye on his pistol, the other on the streets
This video deserves 100x more views.
Can't wake up to anything better than a Talkernate History episode!
So I discovered that if wendell willkie had won the 1940 election, both he and his VP would have died before October of 1944. And at that time the president succession would have gone to Willkies secretary of State, and that's impossible to determine who that would have been unless he declared who he had wanted for that job at some point. So yea from October 1944 to Jan 1945 in the middle of ww2 the president would have been the secretary of state. If I use FDR secretary of state that Cordell Hull but guess what he steps down in Nov 1944 so another secretary of state comes in to be president? Or would it go to secretary of defense then? It gets really tricky and I tried to find an article or something that went over this scenario but I couldn't find one. Needless to say, thats why the presidential succession act of 1947 was made but still, what a crisis that would have been.
You guys have no idea how excited I get when I see you've posted a new video... no comments on this video yet, literally just clicked on it.
This is such a great show to come back to. Love listening on commutes and anywhere else. Can't wait for more!
I love the dont mess around with jim reference hahaha
The "handsomest president" had his campaign biography written by the country's best-selling author at the time, Nathaniel Hawthorne, which probably helped. Hawthorne was his college roommate, and as a reward got a well-paying gig as the American Consul in Liverpool during Pierce's presidency.
27:27 "The Democratic-Republicans did this to me..."
An interesting alternate history review would be on “Back In The USSA”. Instead of Stalinism, we get that sweet sweet Caponeism
"Seize the means of Alcohol Production!"
Every episode is worth the wait
Have you considered putting the podcast on Spotify?
Also nice new font.
Thank you! I wondered if anyone would notice that.
I'll look into Spotify.
Yes! I would love to just hear them going on an hour long tangent on Spotify
Have you guys ever read "Grey Tide in the East" by Andrew Heller. That series is really great, if a little short, as an alternate World War 1 story.
It looks interesting; gonna give it a try, I love stories about an alternate WW one.
But it also disappointed from the title “GREY tide in the East”, I thought it might have been a modern-day confederacy story. Instead the yanks coming “over there”
It would have been: “over there! Send the word, send the word over there! that the Rebs are coming! The Rebs are coming!
mrS I think it might be one of my favorite alternate history stories. I've always preferred hyper-realistic alternate history to the more whimsical, and Andrew Heller goes above and beyond to provide a realistic scenario. In many ways to his detriment I think, as there are many potential avenues for narrative in Heller's work that he avoids in order to maintain realism. Heller hates to guess about any particular event, always looking for the most reasonable answer (often providing his sources as well).
i absolutely love you guys. please keep it up.
Are you guys gonna do one on Turtledove’s “The War That Came Early”
This is one of the few actually good podcasts.
It's very nice to see a new video from you again!!
Yeah your back! Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!
god I love when they go on tangents about things that are slightly related but make for good dialogue
Man, screw you guys, i was about to go to bed...awesome content creators like you are the reason i have such a poor internal clock.
A glacier in my home town is named after Harding because he's the only president to have visited.
Aw hell ya I can’t wait! I’ve been working on some alternate Mexican-American War scenarios , I’ll send them to y’all’s email when I’m done
Y’all forgot that James Garfield, Rutherford Hayes, and Teddy Roosevelt were Army veteran presidents after Grant.
My Great Grandfather was a field radio operator for the AAF in Burma. He always discussed about meeting Australians and other commonwealth soldiers but never about any combat.
46:57 The is a movie! It is called Japan's Longest Day made by Toho in 1967. It's on DVD and it is a great movie.
37:10
As a lithuanian I can answear that question. It's because our politicians at the time. Didn't like the red color wich reminded them of the bolsheviks who also used the red font as their flag.
see if Michael Dukakis wants to appear on the podcast,
it would make you guys my favorite podcast ever
I just noticed the people at the table in the background at 23:53 and I've watched this at least 3 times.
The only thing Taft is remembered for: BIG CHUNGUS
Lost it at "The Democratic Republicans did this to me..." Great job guys!
I love these guys. This could of been a 20 minute video if even and they made it really entertaining.
MY BOI ARE BACK!!!!😄😄😄
I want an alternate history where Michael Crichton becomes president and we have dinosaurs roaming the white house.
Hey I never said I wanted a believable scenario
I cannot find the episode of Napoleon obtaining a B-52...
WRONG VIDEO LMAO
I'm also interested in finding it. The only evidence I have that it even exists is Matt's word and a single blurry jpeg on google images.
I am the Congress
Not Yet...
It's treason then
@@dakotaraptor224Reeeee!
43:30 he is objectively hansome
FDR may have actually contracted polio right before he and his family left for Campobello Island, when he went to a big Boy Scout jamboree.
With Harding vs. Cox, two Ohio small town publishers run against each other for the Presidency. Originally, Harding was supposed to be Teddy Roosevelt's running mate in 1920, but TR died in 1919 so Harding inherited the top job. There's an alt-history for you: TR runs in 1920, and dies of a heart attack, so Harding inherits the job instead of Coolidge. In real life, Cox after lost the presidential race, he grew his small town newspaper into a family-owned media empire - and today his daughter's company provides cable TV and broadband service around the country as Cox Communications.
Tangent: The Episode.
I know it's not strictly related to alternate history, but I think it'd be cool if yall could cover fallout on your podcast. It does have some alternate timeline related stuff in the lore.
Talkernate History fanmeeting in LA please!!
What did you think of for want of a nail, sir?
Max, you are thinking of the Breda M37 - an Italian MG used in WWII.
"Another peculiarity of the design is that the spent cases were reinserted in the tray as each round was fired."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_M37
As Ian Hogg quipped, this feature made for a nice clean battlefield.
Audie Murphy was a famous WWII combat vet (medal of honor winner even).
According to Field Marshall Slim the Malaria rates of troops in the Burmese campaign reached 70% at one point.
There no bobby Kennedy one or Hamilton or Douglas MacArthur aaaahhh
There’s almost no chance that MacArthur would’ve been president, both parties and the American people hated him
And here I was thinking this had been ended. Could you guys do a video of the war of 1812?
My man Huey!
I don't know how true this is but in Hungary it is widely thaught that some Union units used hungarian as a code language
Great video! At 1:14:29 though, its pronounced Bermudian, not Bermudan. Also, Bacardi was originally a Cuban company that fled the island in the 60's after the communist revolution, and re-established themselves in Bermuda.
39:20 Fun Fact: In 1932, Newfoundland's Prime Minister Richard Squires had to run away from our Parliament which was being attacked by an Angry mob! Afterwards, It was decided to go back to being a British colony.
40:01
Ur street vernacular is impressive
I named my dog after huey long 😃
Alexander Rooksmoor wrote something like this. Have you come across him, and are you going to review one of his books?
I know one of you has mentioned it before, but fatherland is a very interesting story
Wait a minute, this was released on Bob Dole’s birthday!
I'm from New Brunswick!
what if Calvin Coolidge took a second term?
Thanks love this show! Do you think you would ever do a topic like...England if the norman invasion of 1066 failed or a sucessful spanish armada invading england. Also i got audio book of guns of the south on your recomendatin
Windsor Castle also has George III’s grave, enjoyed visiting that
Will you talk about Dixie Victorious by our favorite military realism author, Peter G?
Yes, almost certainly. But the next episode is already recorded, its going to be another Resnick collection.
1:25:34 if I’m recalling correctly I believe he did actually serve in Veracruz and helped steal 3 trains behind lines with the help of some Mexicans
48:51 Is a pastiche/parody of "With The Beatles".
49:26 Why would Hannibal be wearing Roman armour? Also, too many eyes.
Although I don’t think too much highly of his politics the thing to keep in mind with regard to George W. Bush even though he was at the Texas Air national guard, he was flying interceptors who had one purpose to splash out of the sky Soviet bombers coming over the Arctic. Yes he did not go to Vietnam but he chose what could’ve been and is much more dangerous mission if the SHTF.
On a separate sidenote Mike Dukkakis would have clinched the election if he had fired the tank at Willie Horton
48:35 that must be the Gandhi from the Civilization games. Because of an aggression value bug, Gandhi is usually the first AI leader to use nuclear weapons in that game series lol
Just google "Nuclear Gandhi" if you would like to know more!
1:19:10, born January 2nd 2000, making a youtube comment
Have you guys ever read the flashman papers? Not exactly alternate history, but it would be great for your podcast: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flashman_Papers
Yes, my dad got me to read a couple of them. They're interesting, but more historical fiction than alternate history. By the way, there's a Flashman movie from 1975 called "Royal Flash" starring Malcolm McDowell.
Can you do a podcast on The War That Started Early series?
I'm reading the last two books in the series. In order to do a full fledged episode on it I would need to convince Matt to read it too, which would be a tall order. Although we discuss the series briefly in the next episode.
Actually lost my shit when you said Secretary of State: Sitting Bull 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
10 points to the person who can name what that map is from at 19:15
29:40 Because Teddy Roosevelt that's how 😂
Gendo Burr huh
Please make Talkernate History- Russian victory in the Russo-Japanese war
Henry Clay looks like he's possessed.
Ahem, why did you show after the end for ck2 after talking about fallout, Sir.
There was an account during the Civil War of the Boston Irish Brigade running into the Atlanta Irish Brigade on the field of battle details obscure but after the battle they tended to each other's wounded and buried each other's dead as the Confederate chaplain was the only surviving Catholic priest in company of any military division at that time
So, finally realized I hadn't actually watched this video even though I keep hearing references to Dukakis throughout the vids.
On the XI Corps at Gettysburg:
While not all of the troops in the XI Corps were german, between a third and half of it was. And most of its top commanders were German or other immigrants. One of them was Alexander Schimmilfenning, who had fought in the 1848 revolutions, went to London and joined the Communist League, where he was part of a faction opposing a weirdo upstart by the name of Karl Marx.
Yeah...one of the union commanders at Gettysburg...was technically a communist.
Hey Talkernate History, since you covered Kaiserreich on this show, do you think you could possibly make a video on the upcoming HoI4 mod The New Order: Last Days of Europe?
I'll look into it. There's so many cool Hoi4 alternate history mods coming out. I love it.
It isn't exactly the most plausible or realistic of Axis Victory scenarios, but it looks very fascinating from what's been shown in the dev diaries. Here's a link to their thread on the alternate history website: www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/the-new-order-last-days-of-europe-an-axis-victory-cold-war-mod-for-hoiiv.430817/