The Election That Ruined Everything (And If It Never Happened)
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Woodrow Wilson in one term, transformed how the U.S would view itself in the 20th century, Even though the general public doesnt know much about him, he changed your life in more ways than you could have ever imagined.
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To quote Ben Shapiro, "Woodrow Wilson was the closest America has ever gotten to a dictator."
I prefer the longer videos more
The_Fixer Woodrow Wilson is a lib, and he just got owned.
Epic style.
I like longer, more detailed videos more. Keep it up! 😄
I will never forgive Wilson because of him starting the trend of US presidents not having dope ass facial hairs.
If all Presidents had mustaches, the world would be a better place.
Yes, even a hypothetical female president should have a mustache.
Edit: Typo
We need more sick ass beard presidents. If the commies could have rocked beards and facial hair, surely we could do the same.
Imagine Trump with a badass mustache
The more dope the facial hair the beter the president
@@itsdakingofkings2550 well he was still of british mindset, even though he was one of those who made america into a different country, so i guess you could say the more facial hair the more indipendent from the uk?
So does Hitler make it into Art School in this timeline?
wow you still alive
he emigrates into the U. S. and joined the KKK
And the Kaiserreich is restored
Yes
His mustache would have been a lot bigger, and he would be known forever as "Adolf Hipster"
Wilson is literally what both sides hate about each other.
Truly the embodiment of radical centrism
Too racist to be liberal, too much of a pansy to be conservative
wonder how South Park would portray him......
( or have they already? )
The one and only progressive conservative @@meatman2203
Another thing: Woodrow didn’t allow for Italy to claim the Dalmatian Coast, which it had been promised in the Treaty of London of 1915. This was one of the things that led to the rise of Mussolini.
So, you can say he caused the rise of fascism.
I'm Croatian and while I'm probably supposed to be against giving Italy the coast, if it prevents fascism, take all you want. Also, since it's Wilson's idea to not give Italy the coast, I want to give the Italians the coast even more simply because fuck Wilson.
The one good thing he did, so that everyone can laugh at Mussolini's stupidity at thinking Italy could actually reunite Rome.
@@USSFFRU another bad thing I just thought of: the Jones Act, which says any domestic sailings must be done on ships that are American-built, owned, manned, and flagged. Don’t even get me started on why it turned out badly.
@@USSFFRU Cruel Commie.
Oh for fu-
Alternative title: Why Teddy Roosevelt should have had a 3rd term.
I fucking love that man. God bless that bastard. He was a true American president.
You can't be serious...
As a non American, he seemed fucking cool
Haven't had a Roosevelt yet that I wouldn't be comfortable having more than 2 terms. Batting 2 for 2.
Hot take teddy was a piece of shit
@@communisttrash8590 Hot take
You're biased because you're a commie.
:^)
My friend Wilhelm and I never liked Wilson.
Franz Joseph I you guys should've listened to Bismarck m8.
Dont forget your weird ottoman sultan and that bulgarian guy whi wanyed to hang with the cool kids
Where is Bismarck when you need him
I don't like any of you
How much money u got? A lot.
How many problems u got? A lot.
*Austria-Hungary breaks up*
Imagine being able to vote for Teddy Roosevelt and then NOT doing so.
Lost Causers are built different.
Early 20th century americans were cringe.
@@geovane19 Unless your name was Teddy Roosevelt.
This, Boomers suck, but they weren't the absolute worst.
@@geovane19 "I like bananas because they have no bones" . . .. .
Sidenote, although Teddy Roosevelt died early in our timeline, if he’d been president in 1912 (and possibly 1916), he might not have gone on his expedition to the Amazon and nearly died of malaria. That bout of malaria probably shortened his life considerably.
Actually I believe he died partially due to complications from the long-term effects of the disease, so undoubtedly he would have lived longer
@@IconicZee Bro took a bullet too the chest but a tiny mosquito killed him
@@sebastiandomingos335 Those mosquitoes are sneaky little fuckers. Kill the most people anually of any animal.
But then again stress could've killed him if he was elected
@@nigelbaddock being president back then wasnt nearly as stressful as it is today
I wish the Bull Moose Party stayed relevant. Progressive moose are awesome.
My guy tigerstar wagwan?
Maybe being a Progressive wouldn't mean being a goddamned Socialist...
@@TheAzureNightmare it wouldn't only the modern progressive party is socialist at least there not soviet wait oh no not the new wing MEIN GOTT. OUR WORST NIGHTMARE HAS ARRIVED OLD GUARD DEMOCRATS HOW COULD YOU LET THIS HAPPEN. We could make a comic out wait there already has oh. WE COULD MAKE A RELIGION OUT OF THIS of this oh a none theistic religion has already been made I can't even pull a history of the hole world joke MEIN GOTT UNSS.
Mutate it into Canadianism and I'm okay with it
@@TheAzureNightmare funny thing is most of the progressive policies of today are the same as what the bull moose party said they supported and wanted.
"Who are you?"
"I''m the election that ruined America"
"Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?"
Thought we see 2000's Bush vs Gore
@@dominikgerhart5919 if Wilson was never president, we would never have had a bush vs gore.
So fdr vs hoover? Fdr ruined the country man
I thought it was 2016
Only things ruined by 2016's election have been as a result of globalist left-wingers with ridiculous priorities and ideas not being able to get over not getting their way.
Actually, what Clemenceau is reported to have said to the idea of Wilson's 14 Points is "The good Lord Himself had only ten." Clemenceau had some great one-liners: about one of the WWI generals, he said "The only time he ever put up a fight was when I fired him." Another time, when he was near the end of his life, he was walking with a friend in Paris when a beautiful young woman walked past them. "Oh, to be seventy again" he told his friend.
At that point, he would have died like President Félix Faure.
Teddy's death in 1919 was largely because of the physical strain of his expedition to Amazonia in 1913, after he lost the election. He nearly died (he tried to convince his son to leave him behind at one point) and his health was ever good afterwards. He'd probably have lived into the 1920's if he hadn't gone on that journey of exploration; and without his 1912 defeat, he wouldn't have gone.
Yeah, he suffered a wound that became infected (worsened by the fact that the bullet from his assassination attempt had never been removed), and suffered from malaria-like symptoms. It left him severely weakened for the remaining years of his life. Had he been president, that expedition almost certainly wouldn't have happened, and his lifespan would've probably been extended.
I wish we lived in the timeline where America got to vote for the BULL MOOSE party
So what you’re saying is, with a third term Teddy “The War to end All Wars” might have actually ended most wars.
well,there would still be most likely wars with Italy (if Mussolini still comes to power) and japan. But,the 20th century would definitely way less bloody than our own would
@@unionjacker1531 that thought would put my heart at ease. Its probably stupid to think this way but, I feel bad knowing many died, believing they would be the one to silence all if not most, and achieve something for humanity, regardless which side you're on.
What a damn shame
@@unionjacker1531 would Mussolini and the fascists have even come to power, though? Wasn't his rise in response to fear of the communists?
@@BitoyV3 not exactly.If france and britain still did the same treaty with austria-hungary,the italian people would still be angry and most likely would turn to fascism.
Union Jacker I don’t think Mussolini would start a war
Fun fact, Ho Chi Minh brought a petition for Vietnamese independence to Woodrow Wilson, Wilson said self-determination only was meant for white countries, Europe more specifically. Ho Chi Minh then soon after saw the success of the Bolsheviks in overthrowing an imperialist monarchy, which he soon used as inspiration which eventually led to what we know today in Vietnam.
Yeah before the war I heard Ho Chi Minh actually looked up to America for getting its independence
Same in Algeria, we looked up to the us help after ww1 and when Wilson refused it was clear that the big mommy ussr is the one
@@marloskeiro227 yeah the us is pretty bad
But seriously the USSR was far worse
Plus it doesn’t exist anymore
Fun fact, he was already attempting to solidify French communists under a Lenin's Third International before this, so cute pop history but not accurate
What about the king-crane delegation he sent to the middle east? Are those white people
"Surely you can't put the blame for the rise of Communism, Nazism, foreign endless wars, and the Cold War all on one man's presidency, can you?"
*yes*
no you cannot. the video is nonsense
@@godemperorofmankind3.091I can sure as hell blame the reason for their origin on him though
@@godemperorofmankind3.091a person seeing reason, thank you
@@whonow3486 no you cant
Wilson created Hitler, and Hoover paved Hitler's path to power.
One amusing thought that crossed my mind, quite belatedly: can you even imagine what would go through Teddy's mind if he were president during WWI? This is the man who resigned from what was supposed to have been his big break into national politics to go fight in the Spanish-American War. In our timeline, being just shy of 60 years old, he petitioned Wilson to just let him raise a few division so he could led them over to fight for France.
Considering his son went on to be present at Utah Beach during D-Day, at the age of 56, there's no doubt that in this alternate timeline Teddy's cabinet would've had to keep a close eye on him lest he make a break for the trenches.
Also, Wilson during the treaty of Versailles refused to give to Italy the land it was promised during the treaty of London, this lack of land was a major point in the ideals of fascism, so Wilson got us the meme of Mussolini wich made us a living meme.... Thank you Wilson... Thank you
If you are an Italian as an American i apologize for the lack of land and the fascism thing however i thank you for the memes
Pahsgetti
*gesticulates wildly with arms while saying "boppity boopy boopity boppity"
Ahhh mussolini.... god damn this wilson dude.
yeah now imagine the wrath of an austria that lost half it's territory to italy and still holds strong feelings of unity for germany
If Teddy was voted in, Sweet Victory would've been played at the Super Bowl.
Edit: if someone know outro music please tell me.
Now that really makes me long for this alternate timeline.
He a;ways puts the music and he did so in every video except this one...
God I want that jazz song so much.
*REAL SHIT*
The outro music. th-cam.com/video/U1mlCPMYtPk/w-d-xo.html
@@deckacards coulda picked a better music video like this th-cam.com/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/w-d-xo.html
Brilliant! I've been in the "Wilson is worst thing to happen to the US since slavery" bandwagon nearly my adult life. I never really thought about the international implications though. Him not winning the election could have staved off the rise of communism AND fascism? That's a world I'd want to live in. Also, think about how many more people would be alive today if the literally HUNDEREDS of MILLIONS of people killed by those nations had never perished early. Not to mention all the progress and wealth destroyed by WWII and the Cold War era destruction and militarism.
If Wilson weren’t president we wouldn’t get rise of far right and far left groups across the world, literally wilson changed the entire world.
As they acknowledge in the video these are just jypotheticals. Their making it a little too rosy.
@@adamantiiispencespence4012 Yeah like Cody said, there would still be wars, but less bloody. Though let's not forget about Japan. If Japan still invades China, even without fascism, it would be one hell of a bloody tragedy. So in conclusion, MOST of the sufferings of the 20th century, wouldn't happen, but some wars would be hell still.
@@bruhh2995 The 2nd Sino-Japanese war could still happen, but without the Soviets intervening in the tail end, the chances Mao takes control of China are a lot slimmer.
@@bruhh2995 They would have and an American vs Japan War would likley still happen.
Welp, based on the arguments presented, this is one of those rare cases in which the presence/election of a single man, actually changed history
@@xunqianbaidu6917 wilson apologist
@@user-fn2mx6dd5k i can’t imagine someone genuinely defending him
@@crimsondynamo615 this guy here tries
I get some of the poins he's making but I don't think he's right on everything and simplifies a lot of his points
Because let's face it, Teddy Roosevelt actually understood what he was doing.
The Roosevelts were God's experiment to create a race of virile Uber-Americans capable of suplexing the Devil into submission while donning the world's most glorious moustaches.
@@Borderose But FDR getting Polio ended the experiment
@@toasterofdoom9629 Even with FDR getting polio, he still managed to suplex the Devil into submission with his mind and oratorical prowess.
Maybe it's a good thing? That the Roosevelts have mostly gone quiet. If one son of theirs had turned evil? No mortal weapon would be able to stop the onslaught. Nothing short of Divine Intervention will be able to stop an evil Roosevelt moustache.
Why the fuck couldn't I be born into the timeline Cody proposed instead? FUCK THIS ONE! I WANT THE GOOD TIMELINE! Make with the time travel, astrophysicists, so I can correct history by offing that racist, imperialist cunt Wilson and installing Roosevelt 26 for a third term! Our rough-riding, canal-building, trust-busting hero would have given us universal healthcare and social security 100 years ago and been done with it forever! He'd have protected the environment and perhaps given us renewables earlier; look at how he stepped to Standard Oil's shit! He'd have doubled down on desegregation and brought the white racists to heel, finishing the job Lincoln started and made it STAY FINISHED! Roosevelt 26 was Bernie Sanders before Sanders was even born!
I want to see Teddy immortalized on our currency for once. Alexander Hamilton was never POTUS so why's he on the $10 bill? Strike him and put Rough Ridin' Roosevelt on the bill instead.
This video just sounds like a Hearts of iron mod waiting to happen
Someone get on that
Grear war focus tree
Second American Civil war in 1912, where Wilson goes fucking apeshit at losing the election that he creates his own AUS ripoff
And I thought Kaiserreich was crazily depressing
It would probably be boring. Everything would be so much more... PeAcEfUlL... Gross...
Good ending: Republican Party (teddy Roosevelt)
Bad ending: Democrat party (Woodrow Wilson)
True ending: bull moose party (Teddy Roosevelt)
Sadly, Bad ending became a Canon ending and all we got was the American interventionism everywhere.
@@TheStarcoMarco That was already happening with the Spanish-American War, and Commodore Perry's expedition to Japan. Wilson increased it, but he didn't start it.
Wilson turned interventionism from "let's flex our American muscles" to "sPreAd dEmOcrAcY!", when it often did the opposite.
@@aaronTGP_3756 real facts
as a finn i'm happy with our ending and the other countries who taked they Independence from Russia after ww1 are probably happy too
So basically to sum it up: When you press A instead of X during a storymode game and it auto saves before you can go back
I never realized that Roosevelt was so progressive for his time.
A lot of his policies back then are the same things we're discussing in politics now.
That’s actually something Cody should’ve covered. Wilson set the U.S. behind decades in terms of political policy. Now look where we are...
It’s hurts the head even thinking about it.
@@doomermurks6959, To be fair Wilson had several surprisingly progressive FOR HIS TIME, for example the New Freedom ideals.
@@k4four615 yes but considering that Teddy Roosevelt’s was pretty progressive as well and wasn’t a segregationist or racist I’d say otherwise.
The ROOSEVELTS are good people
@@doomermurks6959 , true, but some of his policies economically (the Adamson act) was pretty good.
American voters: So, you are gonna help our country become more equal, bring world peace and inspire democracy?
Woodrow Wilson: Well yes but actually no
@Deathcoldan sounds like you're too lazy to try and enjoy being the person doing nothing, criticizing people who do so that you can never be wrong.
Old VP Logo... Do you still play CSGO? (Whats ur rank?)
@Deathcoldan I love, what you said. Thank you. I finally have a person, who understands these of my convictions.
@@EmpereurNapoleonBonaparte pfp checks out
@@nathanbruce1992 Yes, embrace the propaganda! Don't question anything, just act like the good cattle that you are and do what your superiors tell you to do
While T.R. did die in 1919 in our timeline, his death was a direct result of the long term effects of the disastrous "River of Doubt" expedition he and his son undertook in brazil in 1913, where he was left near death due to malaria. if he won the 1912 election, he wouldn't have gone to south america, and would have retained his health,
the other option is he just runs again in 1908, he never steps down and serves four terms. 1912 only happens because he made a very, very bad choice, and regretted it.
Once again proving Teddy Roosevelt was a badass.
US: "Is Russia okay?"
Russia: "COMMUNISM COMMUNISM"
France: "Eh, he'll be fine."
@@pitipuziko3555 *it
@@pitipuziko3555 Comrade*
Them Soviets killed Lady Russia.
Australia: F*cken EMUS
Narrator: "She wasn't fine."
@@JonatasAdoM Who tf is Lady Russia? -Do you call your mother 'lady'?-
Any other President. "Let's go to war!"
Me. "Eh..."
Teddy Roosevelt. "Let's go to war!"
Me. "BULLY!"
Bully! A challenge! I love competition!
Now where would I mount the stuffed head of a Winston?
I'm into fitness, digging ditches through an isthmus!
Rough ridin' down to Cuba like "What's up, Bitches?!"
ERB for the win
th-cam.com/video/owTPZQQAVyQ/w-d-xo.html
@@Tombstone_Active TO WAR! BY JINGO
Any other president: tries to declare war
Me: pacifism should be the policy of America. If we are truly a shining city on a hill then we must not send young men to intervene in other countries disputes.
Roosevelt: tries to go to war
Me: OVER THERE! OVER THERE! SEND THE WORD OVER THERE! THAT THE YANKS ARE COMING, THE YANKS ARE COMING, THE YANKS ARE COMING OVER THERE!!
@@justkoz2907 ERB
Jason Teddy Roosevelt, the only president I would support fully.
If you’re ever looking for a good time, I recommend adding up Taft and Roosevelt’s percentages, per state, and then arranging the Electoral College by the new combined ones, instead. Definitely gives a good sense of just how horrible Plurality Voting is able to get.
Roosevelt might actually have prevented WW1. By responding to the earlier conflicts in the Balkans appropriately, he might have headed off the cascades of consequences that led to the mobilization of Central vs Entente. A threat to enter the war against whoever didn't go to a December 1914 peace conference could have fixed it.
"Even if you disagree with his opinion, He just think you were wrong, and shut down the conversation"
He sounds like your average Twitter user
Sounds like modern politics, too. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
hit the damn nail on the head
Yeah funny how so many people think that words that end in "ist" or "phobe" are a way of confirming a position.
"He was a man of startling contradiction"
What else would you expect from a Democrat?
30 minutes of Alternate History Hub? Is it christmas already?
Yes
yes yes it is
It is a Christmas Miracle.
@@Diego-vy4rn it's christmas For us
We do not use the "C" word in March! D=
"Mr President, what should we do about the great war?"
Teddy Roosevelt oiling his muscles and flexing: "We proceed with operation flank and spank"
Also, his enthusiasm to undo old school multiethnic empires, with the idea that one people = one country, meant that a significant part of the world was doomed to descend into separatism and ethnic cleansing.
Not to excuse conquerors, but all nations are man made at some point. You can't keep dividing.
And of course he only believed in self determination if you were white or European.
If it wasn't for Wilson, my country (Latvia) might've ended up as a neglected autonomous region of Russia, suffering from Russification (and only then due to large sacrifices by Latvian Riflemen batallions) and perhaps gaining independence only around the 1970s or so. And we were only recognized by the US in 1922, since for 4 years they hoped that White Russia would survive.
Then again, no Soviet Union..
Roosevelt, (after being president) volunteered to to be the first soldier to step into France if Wilson would go to war in 1915.
So Roosevelt wasn't talking out his ass, he was ready to grab a rifle himself.
ofc, this Roosevelt probably would have fought alongside the troops on the battle of the bulge while being POTUS. Or he would try too..
IM DOING MY PART
@@dankasscrow6121 Belleau Wood, then?
Roosevelt's sons served in WW1 and one of them died in action. Like you said, Roosevelt asked for command of a regiment á la "Rough Riders" but was denied by Wilson.
Yep!!! He volunteerd to have his own division!!
Whenever I hear somebody complaining about how either Trump or Obama was "the worst president of all time" I just remember Woodrow Wilson and start screaming internally.
Nowhere else in US history will you find an election with such catastrophic results.
I think you are overlooking FDR.
@@ryno4ever433 FDR was a rotten ambulatory cesspool of a human being. The man rounded up an entire group of people because of their heritage, threw them in camps, and made it legal to steal their left behind property. He regularly exposed himself to reporters (both male and female), and also forced female reporters to follow him into the bathroom. He confiscated gold from American citizens, extended the great depression, snubbed Jesse Owens, was a war monger, and turned over unprecedented amounts of power to the central government. He was a Fascist and put a known KKK member on the supreme court.
I could honestly go on for MUCH longer, but you should get the picture. And in addition to all that, he gave us the curse of Daylight Savings time. May he rot in hell.
@@ryno4ever433 Oh, you going to Vegas to open a comedy show, aren't you?
@@justsomeguy5074 I promise to go do my research. I spoke out of my scope of understanding here. Thank you for telling me this. Additionally, I've deleted my prior comment so that noone may be influenced by it.
@@justsomeguy5074 I know of some of the great things FDR did, but I did not know some of the awful things he did.
One thing to keep in mind following this video, Roosevelt 1 and 2 still absolutely had racist ideas and ideologies, but they were miles ahead of Wilson's brand of sanctimonious hell brain.
America absolutely still would have had to reckon with its racism at home and abroad, but that fight wouldn't necessarily have had the backdrop of Hoover and McCarthy ordering hits on civil rights leaders by using Cold War powers.
As Edward R. Murrow said about racism and bigotry: "Everyone is a prisoner of his own experiences. No one can eliminate prejudices, just recognize them."
@@tjmul3381 That sounds nice and responsibility relieving and all but it was entirely Roosevelt’s decision in the Brownsville affair. Not to mention Eisenhower’s refusal to do the same with the Little Rock Nine despite sharing the same prejudices.
What's funny is that even in COLLEGE, in my WWII CLASS, Woodrow still had little said about him besides "WWI Guy" and "those Fourteen Points"
They could have said more, but racism, prohibition and political repression are probably best forgotten.
Moral of the story? We needed to listen to Teddy Roosevelt more.
Lol IKR
@@Eazy-ERyder
Guy 1: I dream of a world where Hitler doesn't come to power !!
Guy 2: I dream of a world where Woodrow Wilson doesn't come to power !!
Me: Meanwhile I'm dreaming of a world where communists, most especially Ilhan Omar and Alex Ocasio Cortez don't become political leaders(as much as they have,they give me horrific reminders of what Lenin was like before winning Russia).
You can always find him on the movie, "Night at the Museum".
Robin Williams played that role, excellent.
Jack Scotchland I guess Teddy knew better than Wilson about how stuff works lol
Anup Bhatt i think lenin was good. id love to know why u don’t tho. just a question
Figured out who I’m assassinating if a time machine is ever invented
Same the asshole who sympathetic to the Klan
Taft, if he wasn't the republican candidate, Wilson would lose anyway.
Go for both Taft and Wilson before the election can finish
Teddy wins for free
tenacity25 people may suspect that Roosevelt was responsible for the assassinations if that were to happen, and the public might be outraged.
@@FragmentedR_YT fair.
So what you’re saying is, if I get a Time Machine, I can skip going after Hitler or Lenin and can just take out Woodrow Wilson?
More like take out Taft
@@thebestgamer4106 or convincing Teddy to Run in 1908 and Pick Elihu Root instead in 1912.
Totally agree. He also formed "The FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM". Great move there too Wilson. He may be the worst historically.
generally its better to just go by “conservative” or “liberal” since those mostly contain the same meaning in modern politics
"backed by the full faith and trust of the federal reserve" my ass
It wouldn't surprise me if Roosevelt would be on the 1st ship with a rifle
Teddy offered to form another Rough Rider corps for WWI, but Wilson shut him down because Wilson was an asshole....as we all know...
@@bullmoosemedia - I'm sure he had personal reasons for turning Roosevelt down, but to be fair TR was in no shape to lead a military expedition by WWI. He was not only half blind by this point due to a boxing accident during his presidency, but his body was also permanently ravaged by malaria on his expedition to the Amazon in 1913-14. He was no longer in his prime, and all that would have been accomplished by him going to fight in Europe would be achieving his "glorious death in battle" that he always wanted.
To be fair, his son was.
In Germany, people started realizing that while the Kaiser's sons were safe at home, a former American President's son fought and died in WWI.
"Some Krauts kicking off? Bully! I've been bored to tears. There's no boats? That's fine, I'll swim to the bastards!"
>Hitler's armband doesnt have swastika
>Swastika is replaced by TH-cam Icon
I see what you did there.
TH-cam as a company is a echo chamber, an example of this, was when an enployee of TH-cam spoke out against the practeses in the company, and was fired because of it. (One of them being THE echo chamber, and he spoke publicly.) Edit "an"
@@blank2588 only radical liberalism, H3H3 is a liberal and he isn't radical, so to blame the echo chamber on liberals is VERY ignorant. One of the reasons that the echo chamber isn't talked about, is that, the "diversity" checklist that TH-cam and other companies have, gives off the impression that nothing is wrong. But all the people working there have the same world outlook, and ISN'T diverse in opinion. (Leading to the echo chamber.)
@@10coatsofarms5 Yeah but radical "liberals" hold institutional power so this "not all liberals" comment really doesn't matter.
@@Sythirius But it does, if i were to say all videos on youtube are bad, i would be overlooking the diamonds in the rough. As for the radicals, call THEM and THEIR ideology out, so you don't get innocents caught in the cross fire.
@@10coatsofarms5 Right, but I'm not interested in engaging people who don't have anything to say. The Radicals tend to be the loudest most outspoken ones. I would definitely speak to a non-radical or a regular person, but most people don't have much interest or much to say about politics, so I don't address them. I don't care. The ones saying and doing the things, while silencing the voices of those who don't agree with them are the ones I want to address.
I remember learning about the Yanks turning up in WW1, apparently (according to my history teacher and his text book) they tried the tactic of charging enemy trenches with cavalry only to get mowed down by German machine guns, which really is the best metaphor for American idealism if I have ever heard one.
Imagine turning up to a battlefield of mud and bone, covered in barbed wire, bodies, craters and giant crawling brick shaped metal hunks with guns strapped to them and thinking "gimme a horse and a sword, and I'll win this war" only to learn about a thing called "600 rounds per minute" about 20 minutes too late.
You fuckers could of told us that we'd get mowed down. How are we meant to know we aren't invincible?
The French Army did try to teach them about WW1 tactics but they were rather slow learners sadly.
The huge US WW1 cemeteries are melancholy places to visit and most US citizens are probably unaware they even exist.
I've never heard this story - it sounds spurious. The USA did deploy infantry against entrenched positions. Patton - who started as a horse cavalry officer - transferred to armored cavalry aka tanks
A lot of the time, when people talk about freedom, they're actually talking about Wilsonianism.
"In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing. The worst thing you can do is nothing." Teddy Roosevelt
john broskey i think you got it close. You left out the middle phrase. “...the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing you can do is the wrong thing, but the worst thing you can do is nothing.
Actually, had Wilson stayed out of it, Europe would have had a better future. WW2 was brought on by Allied victory, the peace of versailles and the Jewish subversion of Russia and Germany as Bolshevist USSR and Weimar Republic, which yes, Russia's decline was tragically helped along by Germany back then.
We all got duped, WW1 should have never been fought.
john broskey
Can’t possibly agree with that quote.
Doing nothing is far superior to doing a harmful thing.
And most potential actions are always harmful, due to entropy.
@@solank7620 It would be illogical to use entropy for saying most of the potential actions are bad, as the term "bad" is subjective, and is unrelated to entropy. There may be other problems that I didn't find.
Asrın Yiğit
You are incorrect.
It is known that most genetic mutations are bad. They hurt organisms’ ability to survive and reproduce. By any sane definition, these things are bad.
Likewise, the vast majority of memetic mutations are also socially damaging by any reasonable definition of damaging. They hurt your society’s competitive capabilities. This should be considered bad.
You can't blame Wilson for everything, can you?
Yes.
Though, tbh, if there was no Abraham Lincoln there would be no Woodrow Wilson.
why yes, yes we can
I’ll do you one better if there was no Rome then there would be no Woodrow Wilson
@@lolm8376 well, you are not wrong
he didnt do anything to cause any of this you are all delusional lmao
I know there were endless hypotheticals, but I think including Japan's contribution to the allies would have been an interesting hypothetical to explore as well.
The only thing TR did wrong was not win a 3rd term. We should all strive to be more like Teddy.
Another big change: The war ending earlier leads to a slower spread of the Spanish Flu, leading to significantly less deaths across the world.
It really did save more lives
It also probably would've been reported on more, thus spreading more information earlier
And in the U.S., the Republican President would have actually tried to help stop the disease, unlike Wilson, who did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
Yeah not even taking into account that less people moving around would mean less transmission... By the time Spain reported that there was an epidemic, the "Spanish flu" had already become endemic to almost every nation involved in the war. They just tried to hide it because they didn't want to look weak during war time. Spain was neutral so they had nothing to lose.
I think it was too late at that point to stop the spread unfortunately
@@megaham1552 not really.
Teddy Roosevelt we need you now more than ever.
if he ran today he’d make Washington’s election look like it was too close to call
Teddy2020
lol no.
Robert Curry You sure as hell are going to need him next year.
I can't believe he neglected to say how destructive the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was. Roosevelt would have never sold us out
Theodore Roosevelt set the Federal Reserve into motion.
@@abrahamlincoln937I don’t think so? That was Wilson. I don’t think monopoly busting and his other domestic influence really pushed toward the federal reserve being a thing
According to my Dad, my great-grandfather, who fought in WWI, absolutely hated Wilson.
The virgin Wilson vs the chad Roosevelt
B U L L Y
Squidy Y2k I’ve been saying this for years
Vs fat big boy Taft.
@johnmburt1960 Woosh.
@johnmburt1960 woooooooooooooooooooooooooosh
I know that Wilson was also extremely racist, even for the 1910s. He actually showed "Birth of a Nation" in the white House, and enthusiastically supported southern Democrats and their segregationist policies.
What's birth of a nation.
@@twinzzlers a KKK propaganda film
@@danielmitchell940 Ooh boy, what happens in it?
Ironically, Birth of a Nation was also extremely revolutionary and is still considered an important milestone in cinema history
Yeah it was also the first movie screened at the White House.
Women’s right to vote in the US would’ve had a shorter fight too. It wasn’t until Alice Paul was being tortured in solitary confinement in an insane asylum that Wilson realized it’d be easier to just support the amendment. Even there it was just a tool to him.
Teddy Roosevelt will forever be my favorite of the US politicians...
I wish more people would follow in his path
I always liked Teddy he was a total badass giving a 84 minute speech after getting shot
*metal music plays in background*
I always heard he had to shorten it to 20 or something. Still impressive though
@@K-11609 no he gave the full speech dude
Teddy getting shot: “oh no! Anyway…”
Bismarck: iron chancellor.
Teddy: iron president.
You couldn't possibly blame ONE man can you?
YES.
No. The argument is silly. For example: no garvilo, hence no WWI/different WWI, thus no commies thus no Nazis. The end. Same effect. Similarly; no Wilhelm, different WWI, no commies and no Nazis. Or; no plan 7, different French strategy, different WWI, no WWI no Nazis. But you don’t blame American 21st century policy on my great great great great great great great great great great grandfather via the butterfly effect.
@@veloxlupus303 The difference between Wilhelm/Wilson and Garvilo, is they actually formed the policies of the nations and would have largely have done things under similar circumstances anyway - vs someone who was mainly just a catalyst to kick off events that were largely already being prepared to happen at that point.
But the difference between Wilhelm and Wilson here is that I don't really see Wilhelm having such a great ability to avoid the great war, given the circumstances of everything, just how it was carried out by the germans at the primary extent of his actions.
Wilson though, he quite directly led a nation to not be able to end the war quickly.
So of these three, yeah - I do think Wilson probably is the guy with the most direct action for the huge benefit of humanity.
@@veloxlupus303
The yes could be interpreted in both ways, which I assume was the joke; Surely you couldn't put the blame on one man can you? - Yes, you can't/Yes, you can.
Wilson was only 1 element in the whole chain of events, take him out of it and everything after that may well not have happened. But that could apply to many elements within that chain of events. So the double contrary conclusion seems accurate. This is an alternate history channel and therefore the argument becomes more silly the further you extrapolate into the future.
@@Die__Ene I interpreted the "Yes" on the basis of the video, and the tone it took throughout (and even in that part alone, the "yes" seemed to tonaly be a "yes Wilson is to blame". But i see your point in it being to a extent ambiguous.
@@adrianbundy3249 The problem the video blames Communism, Nazis and thus 20th century politics on Wilson in the sense that "oh but if Wilson did something differently, then outcomes that HE COULD NOT IN ANY WAY HAVE PREDICTED would have been different. Yes WWI would have ended sooner, (that he could have predicted), but Nazis and Commies are not something you can blame on him. Again, there are millions of things that could have changed 20th century politics via many-step-removed logic along the lines of the butterfly effect.
If it wasn't for Wilson, in the alternate timeline my country (Latvia) might've ended up as a neglected, somewhat autonomous region of Russia, suffering from Russification (and only then due to large sacrifices by Latvian Riflemen batallions) and perhaps gaining independence only around the 1970s or so. And we were only recognized by the US in 1922, since for 4 years they hoped that White Russia would survive.
Then again, no Soviet Union or Nazi occupation would happen...
The chad Teddy Rosevelt vs. the Virgin Woodrow Wilson
learning about Wilson always makes me see him like a real life Palpatine.
Except without the dank memes.
@@scottski02 yet!
Fordo007
Palpatine was a good guy, woody was far worse
Nah. I think Wilson really believed his ideals. Even while being hypocritical about them. I don't think Palpatine believed in anything but power for himself for its own sake. Palpatine was also quite racist as well, though. I'll grant you that.
@@jackskellingtonsora Palpatines Racism is in the old Expanded Universe and never made sense. Its out of Character for him. DIsney Cannon hasnot shown him to be Racist.
Imagine in that Alternate Future, someone makes an Alternate History theory that's basicly just our timeline, and be called fiction because how Unlikely it would be.
indeed.
Ohmygodthatwasahugemindfuck-
That's pretty meta
There are infinite realities Morty.
@@lordzallen "What about the reality where Wilson became President? The answer is don't think about it!"
One thing that really wasnt brought up is his handling of the 1918 Pandemic and how that affected our economic state that lead into the elements that lead to the Great Depression
To most of the public, Woodrow Wilson is most remembered as the alias Bart Simpson uses when writing secret letters to wind up his teacher.
True.
The more one examines Wilson and his agenda the more one realizes just how badly he screwed things up for future generations.
Just like the boomers
The quintessential Democrat.
@@sgtmayhem7567 lol in video it was explained he was not actually a democrat,or adopted any ideas of a democrat
@@cheburekman696 right roosevelt was the progressive while being an expansionist... just incredible political period
@@x_croner ok millennial.
He’s Roosevelt, of course he could convince the public to declare war.
I just imagine teddy tearing his shirt off like hulk hogan and demanding the us go to war or hed resign. Swim across the atlantic himself and win the war on his own.
@@JosephTobin1 "I'll carry over the damn troops on my back if I have too! "
B U L L Y
@@JosephTobin1 And showing off the undoubtedly badass scar from when he was shot, and the bullet was slowed down by his speech's papers and glasses case.
Oh yeah, that really happened.
B U L L Y
The fact it was done in collaboration with the cynical historian means we know one thing that's coming out of it no matter what......
WILSOOOOOOOOON!!!
Thank you!! I've always hated Wilson for the reasons you outlined and it's good to see I'm not alone.
T.R. is the only person in history to have been awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor _and_ the Nobel Peace Prize. His son, Ted Roosevelt III, also was awarded the Medal of Honor for going ashore with the first wave at Utah Beach, directing troops and scouting terrain personally.
Wait, he got the NOBEL PRIZE?! God damn you Wilson! In all seriousness though, that's really interesting.
@@fsexplorer9727 No, he meant Teddy Roosevelt
Based Teddy Roosevelt (and his kid too)
@@currynoodles4074 and his nephew
The only general to land with his troops, despite a limp (from a bullet wound sustained in WWI) and a heart condition.
This just gave me more reasons to love good ol Teddy
Acheron I want a simi
Theodore "Rough Rider" Roosevelt... we salute you.
*salutes*
@@jaysonklein6018 o7
Good ol Teddy
Teddy rosevelt is best girl now >.>
What I learned: Roosevelt was even more based than I thought.
I wouldn’t exactly use the term “good old” to describe John Tyler… he sat in the Confederate Congress during the Civil War, 6 Presidency’s after he’d stepped down.
I wrote a paper similar to this in high school and my teacher thought I was on crack.
but were you?
Writing this and being in crack aren't mutually exclusive situations.
You got a copy of that paper you wrote?
Time to bash Woodrow Wilson, cynical historian is hilarious with that
El1teFire he passed the 16th Amendment so I can’t say he’s my favorite
WILSON!!
You say that Teddy Roosevelt was a non-interventionist? I have one word for you: Panama.
Fun fact the Germans sent exiled Lenin back to Russia only to end the war in the Eastern front. If the war was quicker, there would be a chance that there would be some mistakes in sending Lenin back and so the leader of the Bolsheviks could possibly have been Trotsky.
"You can't actaully put all this on one man's shoulders!"
"I can, I would, and I just did THE SHORT VERSION in a half an hour."
Good shit, son.
He forgot to touch on the decline of the Ottoman Empire. Surely it would have declined but without a Sykes-Picot Agreement to give us the wonky borders the Middle East has now.
@@DarDarBinks1986 so not fucked up middle east because of British and France? Oh my...
@@darykeng Pretty much. No Sykes-Picot Agreement means none of those strange borders. What the hell were the French and British thinking using STRAIGHT LINES for international borders? WHY? THAT'S FUCKING RETARDED! Same deal with Africa outside the two countries that were never colonized by Europeans: Liberia and Ethiopia. Decolonization left Africa with the clunky borders that it has.
The U.S. is guilty of the same thing with its state borders. The colonial and pioneer-era surveyors were idiots for thinking that straight lines were a good idea. And the further west you go, the lazier the borders get. "Fuck it! Squares are easy to manage! Squares for everyone!" WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? Just use natural barriers such as rivers and mountain ranges! Those look much better on a map!
@@DarDarBinks1986 The reason for your dislike of straight borders is that they look bad on maps?
AirCooledMan2006 if Wilson, the most shown-off as *middle ground* kind of person allows it, I don't see why Teddy wouldn't
Teddy's solution to things was always overpowering it or boxing it into submission, I have NO idea how or why we didn't keep him as president longer, this guy got shot before a speech and still did the speech while he was shot, he is a LEGEND.
Nah, he first tried talking about it, and THEN once he realized you were a fucking moron/selfish bastard, he'd beat you into submission.
"Speak softly but carry a big stick".
Its because the American Population didnt understand just how based Teddy truly was.
Not only that, he mocked the shooter during his speech.
Teddy was a Trump of his day
He was outlandish character, with a personality the people both liked and would distance themselves from
He was a player. . . Playing a game
Well, Teddy did bust up the Monoloplies of the most wealthy and powerful people of the day, and that ruffled a few feathers. It is why they made him Vice President rather than President. How would they know William McKinley would be killed and put this raging bullmoose in the seat of power? Imagine if Trump had torn apart the Cable Industry (Which is basically a Monolopy) or Amazon. Do you think the 1% would back him after that?
In the world of Kaiserreich Winston Churchill published a book based on what would’ve happened if the Entente won WW1, and it started with Teddy getting elected. It’s called “Our Finest Hour”, but it’s also known as “Führerreich”.
The fact Woodrow Wilson ranked highly among US presidents is a bloody disgrace, i thought even liberals hated Wilson but it seems like some liberal historians regard highly of him.
It has to be ignorance.
Here's the thing about idealism.
It's idealistic.
Thanks Cody. Wouldn't have guessed.
Prophetsbane 17 Like people dies when they are killed.
It also is a dumb statement because idealism is a thing besides meaning “unrealistic”
Cody is himself a philosophical idealist, in the sense that he basis his ideology on axiomatic ideals like “freedom of speech” and stuff, as opposed to philosophical materialism, which frames freedom as more about access, as in “free foods
yeah a lot more people need to realise that....
@@dstinnettmusic There is not such a thing as "free food". Somebody somewhere need to pay for it.
But freedom of speech is inherent part of freedom. It costs nothing except SJW butthurt.
Idealism is fine if you understand it is idealism. Idealism gives you a vision of how you would like things to be. If you don't recognize it to be idealism, then your in the grip of dilution. Dilution is an unnecessary evil people willfully afflict themselves and others. Many people who suffer dilutions are called narcissists. They covet saving face more than saving grace. The fear being wrong more than being dead. Wilson was one such person. They are generally dangerous to be around in normal day-to-day activities. But when they obtain power over others... the century is in the toilet. I figure Obama is a lot like Wilson. Time will tell.
'I'll have you know, I'm an intellectual' Wilson at the peace confrence, 1918 (probably)
*Woodrow Wilson showing his 14 points fan-fiction theory cira 1919.*
"Dork alert!" - the British Prime Minister and French President at the time.
You know what Cody. Thanks. Thank you for basically writing a bit of my presentation for me.
This is better than most of my history courses in general education
My favorite part is how out of infinite possibilities without Wilson the only certainties are a better world.
Except in reality it might have been a lot worse. IDK to me this is easily the worst alternate history I have watched. Everything being sunshine and roses just isn't realistic. Good things probably would have happened but some bad things Would have also certainly had happened.
@@guppy719 that’s fair, like what
@@guppy719 oh like what?
@@novaraptorus6250 For one, Teddy was big into eugenics. You could argue while economically he was more progressive and he would've prevented the legacy of US atrocities overseas longterm, in terms of cultural positions he may have done some Nazi like stuff domestically.
@Ethan Jobson I don't think it wouldn't have been that bad as long as personal freedom were not violated.
So Woodrow Wilson was season 8 Daenerys.
"I know what im doing is right because I know whats right."
What about others who think they know whats right?
"They don't get to choose" :-)
I see him as more of a Tyrion. His ideals drastically changed the world, and while it may have been idealistic, it would eventually spell doom for his country. And his legacy would totally overshadow him as a person
@@dylanchouinard6141 Which Tyrion though? Season 8 finale Tyrion?
neocomp92 yup
Who is S.8 Jon then?
Wilson is tyrion then who is Roosevelt be?
TR died in 1919 because he went on an exploratory trip to the Amazon when Wilson basically shut him out of any role in helping the US war effort in World War I and did everything possible to frustrate Roosevelt in even contributing on the war bond effort. During that trip to the deeper parts of the Amazon jungle Roosevelt as well as one of his sons contracted a serious disease that Teddy Roosevelt never really shook for the remainder of his days. Even then he lived almost two full years with a serious illness where there was no treatment available.
Meaning in an alternative timeline, Teddy is probably healthy as an ox well after 1919 as he never goes to Brazil in 1917 to find floral and animal specimens for the Smithsonian Institute as he was the picture of health prior to that trip.
I’m also hyped when there’s crossovers from two channels I love it’s like those tv specials they had when I was a kid 😂😂😂🙌🏾
If Hitler is this world’s Emperor Palpatine, Wilson is Jar Jar Binks.
Lol Star Wars reference
Jokes on you, its Darth jar jar.
Thus he is THE real senate.
Only he manipulated himself
Democratics: Donald Trump and the Republican Party is worse than Hitler.
Real American history: Woodrow Wilson and the Democratic party CREATED Hitler.
@@christianali5431 yes, and the party hasn't changed one bit between 1912 and now. Also, the sun goes around the earth and the pope is a protestant.
So, we ARE in the Darkest Timeline
Nah. Could have had a Lenin rise in the US as well. I... try not to imagine that in any detail.
@@Sorain1
Союз нерушимый
Штатов свободных
Сплотила навеки
Великая Америка!
Um we do lol in a way not to the same extent, but the general idea still
At least we got out the Cold War without WWIII. That would be the worst timeline.
Rudy Smith I agree. I was talking about a nuclear exchange when I said WW3.
19:47 This wording got a good chuckle out of me
This is an absolutely amazing video. Just magnificently fascinating.
US congress: why you bully me?
Teddy armed with a flamethrower: BULLY FOR YOU
The best president of all time.
"POLITICIANS RED, CROSSFIRE HURRICANE!"
Javier Anda “FEDERAL CHARIOT”
@@gr8jason806 "STARS ADN STRIPES PLATINUM! ZA WARUDO!"
Javier Anda BLUE HERMIT
I cry lying awake at night, thinking of what could've been if Teddy won that election.
We may not be alive in that timeline, WHY WILSON YOU SONOFABICH
Me too friend. Me too.
What if Taft won?
i hope you dont mean that literally lol
I'll take Taft, thank you very much.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who absolutely despises Wilson. He’s my second most hated president