How so? In the scenario you described, you only think you're aware of something that your peer is not, which assuredly they are as well. You don't actually understand what makes you correct or what makes them incorrect. Einstein said you don't really know something until you can adequately explain it to others. I would argue that people thinking their right without having the knowledge to back it up is a much more severe problem than not being able to put someone in their place.
Fucking hell, I bet get invited to lots of dinner parties. I know that cheese is not made from cooking milk, therefore I know that the other person is wrong. I don't understand why you're being such a colossal pedant over this.
I don't know why you're getting so worked up about it. I was simply pointing out that people thinking they're right because of what they know is the cause of these arguments in the first place. Both Mitchell and Webb both KNOW the other is wrong, both are incapable of proving their point because neither of them knows how cheese is made, as in understands it enough to explain it. Basically, 'Because I know, okay!' is a fucking stupid argument and you shouldn't be surprised when people don't concede. Also, when I'm at dinner parties I try to engage in polite conversation instead of insulting people.
For me its bc the build up is so natural and the delivery of the line is so spot on. I know its coming and its still hilarious because of how they get to that line.
Good cheer and blitheringness I think he means properly lived, as in never lived with smartphones. Got old and died entirely pre-smartphone. Would be neat.
You can't really in modern society Sam Hickey. Maybe if you wanted to be a recluse living in a woodland shack or some such but that isn't a massively realistic lifestyle for most people.
I think what I love best about this show is that, underneath the great acting, it just looks like two best friends having a lot of fun. That's always a fun thing to watch.
I can't help but think this was based off an actual argument they had but they went "wait, there's a sketch in this" before it got too heated. Like the milk.
I'm pretty sure 90% of the things they put on their shows, including Peep Show, is based on something that has happened to the two of them, or their conversations.
I love how in Rob’s world, heating milk turns it into cheese, but heating cheese also turns it back into milk. As if the two states exist in a quantum superposition, and applying heat causes it to “change its mind”, and become the other.
Flick the switch and the room goes dark, flick it again and it goes bright. Cheese obviously work in the same way, otherwise how the fuck else are you going to turn it back into milk.
For the record, first you add cultures to the milk for it to begin to ferment and acidify. Then you add the enzyme rennet to coagulate the milk's proteins into curds, which are cooked, folded, cut, salted, and pressed. Then, with the help of bacteria, yeasts, and mold, cheese is aged to develop flavor.
@@user-hi4sm3ig5j I'm assuming it's the "cooked" step of "cooked, folded, cut, salted, and pressed". I'm very happy somebody put a description in the comments, but I'd be happier if those 5 consecutive verbs were 5 separate sentences.
As someone who actually likes learning about how cheese is made this is even more hilarious, because they are both wrong in different ways about different things XD
I live in a university town and on Tuesdays, you just have cougars trying to grab your butt. When you pull away, they accuse you of being gay, while people sing bad karaoke in the background, and then she turns to another stranger nearby and tries to kiss him and she yells at him, calling him gay too, because he dodges her attack LOL!
"You dont know what the hell you are talking about do you?" ... "Did you hear what you just said?" - these are my go to lines from now on if I ever feel I am losing an argument. Thank you!
More so than ever before? I don't think you can make such a bold claim with the experience of a human lifespan, not in such general terms. Such a claim is an attempt to express feelings of distress as something insightful. Trust me, it's happened to me many times. In fact, what I'm doing right now is, to some extent, an example of this. Except at least I've thought this through, I've experienced all the things I've said here.
Something about the sarcastic emphasis on individual phrases (“…by COOKING MILK!”) and total irrationality of the way the argument progresses that just sells this so brilliantly.
This exact argument just broke out in my kitchen between my partner and her daughter so I just put this video on and walked away and now they’re laughing at themselves 😅
Having these arguments online can actually be very edifying. It forces you to do your homework and be very specific in your arguments. You come out of it knowing things about the subject that you never even realized you didn't know before. And sometimes you might even win!
It's oddly more satisfying to have the argument where nobody has access to the answer - everybody goes away still thinkng that they're right. By the time you get home or back to work and have access, you've completely forgotten the argument anyway.
Generally how you make a hard cheese like the classic cheddar is by boiling milk with a culture of some kind of bacteria or yeast depending on the cheese for usually about an hour and a half to acidify the milk by making lactic acid. Then stir in rennet and turn off the heat until it coagulates which usually takes about an hour, then you slice it and start heating and stirring lightly until it separates into whey and curds and so that you firm up the curd. Then slowly increase the heat over the next hour or so stirring all the while. Then strain the curds out in a cheese cloth. For cheddar, the "cheddaring" process requires it to be kept warm for 2-3 hours and be turned every quarter of an hour, then cooking for a further hour. Then you can process and brine the curds and press it into a wheel, turning occasionally between presses. You can either wax it or seal it in plastic.
I remember having an argument with my best friend like this, about why midnight had to be the beginning of the day. I was trying to explain it was because the Sun was under the Earth, he said 'but why does that make it the beginning of the day?' And I think I said 'it just *does* !'
Some people talked it over and managed to convince governments and then everyone else that the day starts at midnight. It didn't have to be midnight, it just happened to be agreed upon by those that managed to convince everyone else.
"I AM NOT SHOUTING!!" "Vyvyan!!" ~ Right at the end there, David briefly reminded me of the early Rik Mayall when he used to lose it back in The Young Ones
One time, when I made paneer, the recipe said to start by boiling the milk. So this lends creedence to Rob's theory that you have to heat up the milk. Just my two cents. We'll figure this out somehow.
It's awful when you know someone is wrong about something but you don't know enough about the subject to properly prove them wrong 😂
If you don't know enough about something to prove the opposite wrong, you don't really know, to begin with.
GuruJudge21 well that's clearly bollocks
How so? In the scenario you described, you only think you're aware of something that your peer is not, which assuredly they are as well. You don't actually understand what makes you correct or what makes them incorrect. Einstein said you don't really know something until you can adequately explain it to others. I would argue that people thinking their right without having the knowledge to back it up is a much more severe problem than not being able to put someone in their place.
Fucking hell, I bet get invited to lots of dinner parties. I know that cheese is not made from cooking milk, therefore I know that the other person is wrong. I don't understand why you're being such a colossal pedant over this.
I don't know why you're getting so worked up about it. I was simply pointing out that people thinking they're right because of what they know is the cause of these arguments in the first place. Both Mitchell and Webb both KNOW the other is wrong, both are incapable of proving their point because neither of them knows how cheese is made, as in understands it enough to explain it. Basically, 'Because I know, okay!' is a fucking stupid argument and you shouldn't be surprised when people don't concede. Also, when I'm at dinner parties I try to engage in polite conversation instead of insulting people.
"Let's write a sketch about a man who knows nothing about cheese and another man who knows a bit about cheese."
So when do they use the kilns?
@@Nickelodeon81before it grows it's own skin
@@microwaveoven2 Nope, they put the skin on.
@@Nickelodeon81 They put the skin on?!?
I like to think this was an actual argument that they had during their break.
This is literally every internet argument I've ever seen, ever.
No it's not!
Sean Phillips, you would know because your mother goes chippy in her slippers.
no it isnt! you've got a problem mate
Sean Phillips JOOOOWS!!
Sean Phillips English or GTFO.
Acting angry is David's specialty and condescending is Rob's. Love this clip so much
tomtom21194 Angry David is my favourite David!
It's so perfect I would say it was just a normal argument between the two and they happened to be in front of a camera.
But there's that one about levitating where it's flipped.
Rob does a very specific brand of condescension and stupidity! Hilarious:)
It’s the perfect combination
I've watched this ten times and it still makes me laugh when he says, "I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY PUT THE FUCKING SKIN ON".
For me its bc the build up is so natural and the delivery of the line is so spot on. I know its coming and its still hilarious because of how they get to that line.
"I'm not claiming to be a *fucking* scientist David!"
Still... It's not exactly brain surgery!
Zulu Romeo
Brain surgery, yeah......hmm......
It's not exactly rocket science is it?
Zulu Romeo
Brain surgery, yeah......hmm......
It's not exactly rocket science is it?
This isn't a nursery rhyme.
I swear their little "filler" sketches make me laugh more than the proper ones
In what way are they not proper sketches?
floooooooooooooooood b/c they are filmed as to appear ‚behind the scenes ‚ conversation of themselves as opposed to roles or characters.
THEY PUT THE SKIN ON!!!
I was thinking hit, hit, hit, miss, hit, miss, miss, hit
By no means but some of them are pretty funny
This did make me find out how cheese is made
HAHA! I have had so many arguments like this in the past where neither one of you knows quite how it works but you know one of you is wrong.
... WATER IS WET
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY PUT THE F'KING SKIN ON :D :D
Cracks me up everytime
he turned genuinely psycho for a second XD
Lot of anger! LOT OF ANGER! LOT OF ANGER!!!
YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM MATE...!
i thought he was yelling LORD OF ANGER
I thought it was "wall of anger" 🤣
I thought he was saying "YOU'RE THE WANKER"
"This isn't a nursery rhyme, David" - brilliant!
That was gold!
What life was like before Smartphones.
I wish I lived in pre smartphone days
Good cheer and blitheringness
I think he means properly lived, as in never lived with smartphones.
Got old and died entirely pre-smartphone. Would be neat.
You can still live without a smartphone. Just don't get one. I know, a horrifying thought isn't it?
You can't really in modern society Sam Hickey. Maybe if you wanted to be a recluse living in a woodland shack or some such but that isn't a massively realistic lifestyle for most people.
sam, that was not nearly as clever as you thought it was. certainly not clever enough to be worth sarcasm.
I think what I love best about this show is that, underneath the great acting, it just looks like two best friends having a lot of fun. That's always a fun thing to watch.
This is so simple but it's one of my favourite mitchell and webb sketches, really shows how good their chemistry is.
Both good and not good depending on what definition of chemistry you use.
I don't know why but David saying "lot of anger" increasingly louder is so hilarious.
Every time I watch this, I have the urge to actually find out how cheese is made.
gbonkers666 yet you never do
I bet Amazon prime has a good selection of cheese kilns.
@@39401JLB Those are actually mislabelled Chinese kilns.
Me too, but it soon passes!
Watched it dozens of times, but haven't looked it up yet
"They put the skin ON??? Did you hear what you just said; 'They put the skin on' ??" XD lol
Throwback to Unregistered Hypercam 2
I can't help but think this was based off an actual argument they had but they went "wait, there's a sketch in this" before it got too heated.
Like the milk.
...in the kiln
There are no kilns, you don't get cheese just by cooking milk.
I'm pretty sure 90% of the things they put on their shows, including Peep Show, is based on something that has happened to the two of them, or their conversations.
the crew probably like "oh shit they're fighting again" before a producer shouts "get the camera!"
*based ON (for God's sake!)
They talked about making cheese. They talked about Edam. But neither of them mentioned that Edam is the only cheese that's made backwards
And Brie was made from one of Edam's ribs.
What, you mean they put it in the kiln after it grows its thick red skin? THAT'S STUPID! The Danish who make Edam are clearly Nazis!
Wait but they don't make cheese backw-....oh you son of a bitch.
You sly devil.
Well played, Sir. Well played...
It's like family dinner every week.
I love how in Rob’s world, heating milk turns it into cheese, but heating cheese also turns it back into milk.
As if the two states exist in a quantum superposition, and applying heat causes it to “change its mind”, and become the other.
Flick the switch and the room goes dark, flick it again and it goes bright.
Cheese obviously work in the same way, otherwise how the fuck else are you going to turn it back into milk.
@@SirNilzey Cheese doesn't develop it's own light switch, they graft the switch on!
@@SilverSpade92 that's what I'm saying, by a licensed cheesetrician
listen to yourself.
milk and cheese are both the same element, milkium. What we commonly refer to as "cheese" and "milk" are simply its different aggregate states.
I've come to think of these kinds of arguments as 'cheese arguments'.
For the record, first you add cultures to the milk for it to begin to ferment and acidify. Then you add the enzyme rennet to coagulate the milk's proteins into curds, which are cooked, folded, cut, salted, and pressed. Then, with the help of bacteria, yeasts, and mold, cheese is aged to develop flavor.
Sounds easy-peasy....I'll have a go at that......
But when do they use the kilns?
This is how it's done today, traditionally you just leave the milk in the sun the take the curds and rada, that's cheese
Casein point.
@@user-hi4sm3ig5j I'm assuming it's the "cooked" step of "cooked, folded, cut, salted, and pressed". I'm very happy somebody put a description in the comments, but I'd be happier if those 5 consecutive verbs were 5 separate sentences.
As someone who actually likes learning about how cheese is made this is even more hilarious, because they are both wrong in different ways about different things XD
How do they put the skin on?
Yes, but David is far closer to correct than Robb.
@@freddysw I DONT KNOW HOW THEY PUT THE FUCKING SKIN ON
@@Ben-ht2cv Well what are we talking about then?
surely one must start by separating the curds and whey
This definitely was inspired by some argument they had off camera.
A LOT OF ANGER
Anyway，blessed are the cheesemakers！
No they're not! all they do is cook milk
Well, obviously it refers to any makers of dairy products.. :)
Is this a cheese shop?
What's all this, then?
Václav Fejt monty python it’s on you tube .
Go to a pub in a university town on a Tuesday evening and you will hear an almost identical argument about any topic of your choice.
I live in a university town and on Tuesdays, you just have cougars trying to grab your butt. When you pull away, they accuse you of being gay, while people sing bad karaoke in the background, and then she turns to another stranger nearby and tries to kiss him and she yells at him, calling him gay too, because he dodges her attack LOL!
For 8 seconds until someone Googles it.
The good old days when we could go to the pub!
@@Taricus That could be fun
The turning the cheese back into milk part had me on the ground
I love how they do make these scenes seem so close to being possibly real life they are so well written just like a real argument in so many ways haha
Damn it, I STILL don't know how to make cheese
Put it in the kiln...
As far as I know, it's made in supermarkets.
Find a big hot rock.
@@madnessbydesign1415 You seperate the Curds and Whey
@@jamieforrest5161 until it forms a hard skin.
THEY PUT THE SKIN ON?!
It’s the salt they leave it to mature in.
This is the perfect exemplar for a social media flame war.
So much nostalgia, Unregistered HyperCam 2, those were the days
This might as well be an audition tape for WILTY.
Some of their other sketches are so so clever, but this one had me laughing hard. "this isn't a nursery rhyme"..
"I don't know how they put the fucking skin on" famous last words 😂
Love this sketch, the older I get the more I appreciate the writing and planning behind sketch shows.
"You dont know what the hell you are talking about do you?" ... "Did you hear what you just said?" - these are my go to lines from now on if I ever feel I am losing an argument. Thank you!
"This isn't a nursery rhyme David!!" :-p
This is the most realistic discussion I've seen on television ever.
the "Can people levitate?" one is also sublime :)
"She came down in a bubble!"
I just saw what David Mitchell would look like as a football hooligan... And I will never be able to unsee it...
Apparently the red skin of the cheese is made of coloured paraffin wax that is applied on it. So yes, they put the skin on.
Une ténébreuse affaire But calling it skin still makes it sound off, even if we know what you mean by skin. Is that wrapper called skin?
Did you hear what you just said?!! "They put the skin on"?!!!!!
@@Dylan_Thomas1 Yes, or sometimes it is referred to as the 'rind', like the skin of a fruit.
That's not skin, it's packaging.
@@shaunpatrick8345 "Packaging?" Did you hear what you just said? You've got a problem, mate. And a lotta anger.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY PUT THE FUCKING SKIN ON!
If Simon Cooper’s dad was with him: “language. 🤡” 😂
Will forever love these two 😂😂😂
So simple but one of their funniest skits!
One of the best british sketch duos of the 21st century
David Mitchell getting angry is easily one of the top ten funniest things in the world, regardless of the topic
It isn't even funny anymore, because this isn't satire, this is reality, more so than ever before.
More so than ever before? I don't think you can make such a bold claim with the experience of a human lifespan, not in such general terms. Such a claim is an attempt to express feelings of distress as something insightful. Trust me, it's happened to me many times. In fact, what I'm doing right now is, to some extent, an example of this. Except at least I've thought this through, I've experienced all the things I've said here.
@@martinmaguire-music6692 Thanks.
Since they stopped using the kilns, yeah.
Reminds me of discussions you might get in the lunchroom at work, before every know-it-all with a smartphone said, "Well, I'll look it up!"
As that particular know-it-all, I prefer the term peace-maker.
Something about the sarcastic emphasis on individual phrases (“…by COOKING MILK!”) and total irrationality of the way the argument progresses that just sells this so brilliantly.
Years since I first saw this. I cannot take the skin off of a piece of cheese without thinking about it.
This is fantastic, watched it 6 times today already.
OMG I can't believe that I only just discovered this gold! They are so convincing!
This exact argument just broke out in my kitchen between my partner and her daughter so I just put this video on and walked away and now they’re laughing at themselves 😅
Having these arguments online can actually be very edifying. It forces you to do your homework and be very specific in your arguments. You come out of it knowing things about the subject that you never even realized you didn't know before. And sometimes you might even win!
Bollocks, it's impossible to win an online argument.
I miss these kinds of arguments with my friends. You can’t have them now that we all have Google and Wikipedia in our pocket.
It's oddly more satisfying to have the argument where nobody has access to the answer - everybody goes away still thinkng that they're right. By the time you get home or back to work and have access, you've completely forgotten the argument anyway.
My favourite sketch from this show! soooo lolable
This sort of thing is avoided by simply saying "I don't know". But no-one wants to say that, do they?
They make cheese from the curds then they throw the whey awhey.
Ha ha.
Genius.
I'd pay good money to watch these two on stage just arguing about trivial nonsense.
this is so good. i love this so much.
Generally how you make a hard cheese like the classic cheddar is by boiling milk with a culture of some kind of bacteria or yeast depending on the cheese for usually about an hour and a half to acidify the milk by making lactic acid.
Then stir in rennet and turn off the heat until it coagulates which usually takes about an hour, then you slice it and start heating and stirring lightly until it separates into whey and curds and so that you firm up the curd. Then slowly increase the heat over the next hour or so stirring all the while.
Then strain the curds out in a cheese cloth. For cheddar, the "cheddaring" process requires it to be kept warm for 2-3 hours and be turned every quarter of an hour, then cooking for a further hour.
Then you can process and brine the curds and press it into a wheel, turning occasionally between presses.
You can either wax it or seal it in plastic.
This is my favourite 85 seconds on TH-cam.
I can't put into words how much this appeals to me 😅
Alternate title: Trying to Argue With Someone That Has No Idea What They're Talking About.
while you don't have a clue yourself
Watching David lose it at the end is oddly satisfying.
I can totally imagine these two having an argument like this in real life.
This and the clip of Mitchell singing smells like teen spirit are my two favourite video clips of all time.
These two are modern-day comedy gods.
best sketch ever
Oh God I needed that! ;)
I remember having an argument with my best friend like this, about why midnight had to be the beginning of the day. I was trying to explain it was because the Sun was under the Earth, he said 'but why does that make it the beginning of the day?' And I think I said 'it just *does* !'
Some people talked it over and managed to convince governments and then everyone else that the day starts at midnight. It didn't have to be midnight, it just happened to be agreed upon by those that managed to convince everyone else.
Possibly the best sketch of all time
Now we know
We know now
I've had a very similar argument when my friend insisted that cheese was made of fungus, not by fungus.
Back when you couldn't just look up a video of how cheese is made on your phone
"I AM NOT SHOUTING!!"
"Vyvyan!!"
~
Right at the end there, David briefly reminded me of the early Rik Mayall when he used to lose it back in The Young Ones
One time, when I made paneer, the recipe said to start by boiling the milk. So this lends creedence to Rob's theory that you have to heat up the milk.
Just my two cents. We'll figure this out somehow.
I had an argument on twitter so much like this
I hav no idea why but I always burst into laughter whenever they swear xD
Thats actually how an argument at my house happens.
I think this is my favorite David Mitchell sketch
This sketch inspired me to go research cheese manufacturing. I can win this internet argument now.
Just another day on set
"Unregistered HyperCam 2" ... aah, those were the days.
This conversation made me esurient.
I wonder if I could infiltrate a place of purveyance to negotiate the vending of some cheesy comestibles!
They crack me up everytime. Unfortunately, I know too much about cheese to come up with something like that myself.
Certainly should.
"[Cheese is] milk gone off big-time-stylee" - Stephen Fry
Mac: That sounds wrong but I don’t know enough about cheese to dispute it 😂
1:12
Best moment in my life so far.
It's almost as if they predicted every internet discussion-board ever.
Genius!
As someone who knows how cheese is made, this is excruciating.
how is cheese made
@@jonbarosa8692 leave milk to rot and pick out the lumpy bits basically
@@jonbarosa8692 in kilns
how do they put the skin ON?!?!
@@Nickelodeon81we don't know how they put the fucking skin on!
Back when I was a wee lass and the internet was in its infancy. this is how discussions were had.
When they ask you "what is entropy" - redirect them to this clip :)
Cheese first noticed when scavenging the stomachs of dead baby ruminants, and eventually we figured out how to replicate the process.