Area88- F5E Tiger2 vs Mirage F1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 พ.ค. 2006
- SPOILER WARNING: From one of the final scenes of the series. not the final one but reveals part of the final plot. See by your risk.
-Shin is trying to getaway from A88, and Kitori scrambles to intercept him, sinze Kitori allways was eager to get a mock dogfight against Shin , he teaches her once for all who is the best pilot.
Also is a hell good dogfight between a F-5E Tiger 2 and a Mirage F-1 - บันเทิง
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I always liked the fact that he merely fired the burst near her instead of trying to actually kill her.
“Go home, you’re outmatched. But I won’t kill you.”
0:56 The Su-57 pilot, who faced Maverick likes this maneuver.
I will never get over how fucking awesome this shit is
The Mirage F1 has no chance against the F-5 in open Air to Air combat. The F-5 is widely considered the best airframe ever produced for a fighter even though its alomst 50 years old.
F-20 wiki:
"The main change was the replacement of the F-5's two General Electric J85 engines with a single General Electric F404 turbofan"
Oups, yes, you are right..i was mistaken.
Its funny how a F-20 with a single hornet engine is faster (M 2.1) than the Hornet with 2 (M 1.8)
Fun Fact: Vietnam is looking to restore their captured F-5s back to operational service. With US Restrictions lifted, it is possible the Vietnamese will restore their F-5s back to operational status and to fulfill Recon and Ground Attack Missions. They would likely be replacing the aging Su-22s in service with the Vietnamese Air Force. Though as a Fighter, they still have value and could be Point Defense Interceptors.
Could be interesting if they also upgrade them to the standards of the one like the Taiwan ones
It would be. Though after I posted that, I found an article that indicates that the Vietnamese might not get them upgraded. It is all speculation now. But if they wanted too, they likely could, given the usefulness of the F-5 when stood against the Soviet/Russian planes.
They were apparently easier to handle, more roomy, and enjoyed better characteristics than what the Soviets had put into them planes and likely continues on to what Russia makes.
The only real issue I'd see with Vietnam resurrecting some F-5Es would be refurbishing the airframes and engines back to 0 hours of flight time, as that'd likely be the most expensive/time consuming part.
Then, there's the possibility of actually upgrading them:
The F-5E is fantastic as a lead-in trainer, adversary aircraft, and for small countries who don't have a large military presence, and likely wouldn't be attacked by anyone, but it is still heavily outdated for the modern day.
Vietnam would likely need to follow the example of Thailand, Brazil, and Chile, by upgrading their Tiger IIs with a more sophisticated radar/avionics set, glass cockpit, HOTAS controls, and advanced missile capability.
The two companies that could very easily do this are Embraer (Brazil) and Elbit Systems (Israel), as both have done similar upgrades.
+sparrowJLT *The matchup shown here should be re-enactable in Eagle Dynamics DCS: World 2.5.* The Northrop F-5 Echo, a quite satisfactory balance between air superiority and point-defence interception in a low-wing twin-engine platforn, provided McDonnellDouglas a baseline for turning capability for the F-15. The Avions Marcel Dassault Breguet Mirage F.1E turned out to be an "F-8 light," as its manoeuvering was quite similar to that of the Chance Vought F8U-2 already in Aeronavale service during the F.1's development for the Armee de l'Air.
Except that the F-5 line is the immediate predecessor to the F/A-18 Hornet, which was developed from the YF-17 Cobra which was a development of the F-5 line.
私の好きなＦ-5が、素晴らしい機動をしてると言いたかったのです
F-5,Wonderful mobility!!!
man the soundtrack must be insane for this i really want it
Thank-you :)
WOW!Thanks!
Ooh....a cartoon, yes, but 2 of my favourite planes dogfighting!!!
No, i didnt add anuthig.. i simply extracted the video from the version o own (the japanese version) and uploaded it here.
And yeap.. i have the track that plays during the Mig-23 combat: Its called "We Know What You Did" and i found it on the Area88 Cyber Trance. The MP3 is on emule
@CaptainGaruda Thanks.. will give it a look
yes. it can be regarded as phenomenal & legendary fighter remembering the age is roughly 50+ years old.
Indonesia, my country, which has been operating F-5E since 1980, instead of retiring them, they're going to upgrade them.
I also noticed on the internet about civilian version of F-5.
well, F-5 is my one of my favorite fighters. the other are F-14 Tomcat and Eurofighter Typhoon.
the F5 is teh ancestor of the F-20 tigershark. The F/A 18 hornet is the production model of the YF-21 which was never produced, but became the F-18 and variants after that.
take it from someone who has part of the soundtrack it is very awesome its nothing but pure trance at it finest in case your wondering the track playing is Symsonic Rank 1
The F/A-18 is the development of the YF-17 (there was no YF-21, the F-21 was the us designation of some IAI Kfirs lended to the navy) and the YF-17 was based on the F-5E but bigger and with new technology and wings.. sure, its complety new but the design parted from the F-5E, take a F-5, put it 2 rudders, the wing "higher", add it LES over the intakes and increase the nose volume (and ockpit higher), voila, you got a YF-17
Most of those planes can carry the same type of ordinance, so it's not as bad on the logistics as you think.
SparrowIt did you add "symsonic" yourself? My area 88 has the generic battle fighting music for this. Symsonic works so well for it too...
By the way do you happen to have the track that plays during the MIG-23s vs Shin and the others?
A lot of it boils down to the operator. Technological advantages are useful, and can be decisive; but a top-notch pilot can make up for his aircraft's shortcomings, and a slouch can give up every advantage he's got. You've got to make the other pilot fight on your terms.
So you're saying that it's not the plane, it's the pilot?
I'd say that's more the case when you have aircraft that tend to be closer in capability.
But it also depends on weapons and radar as well.
An F-5E may absolutely be able to deal with a Mirage F1 in close quarters combat, but it becomes entirely different when things go over-the-horizon ( Super 530Fs for the stock Mirage F1s, AIM-7E-2 and AIM-7F Sparrows for the modified Mirage F1s in Area 88).
The F-5E did have a radar warning system, and I don't doubt that a good F-5E pilot could notch the Mirage F1's radar, but it'd likely be out of energy from maneuvering. This would then make it an easy kill from an AIM-9L or Magic II fired from the Mirage.
so the F 20 is just another further take from the F5 as well? Just an upgraded F5?
ミラージュF-1C、子供の頃プラモデル作ったわ。
このF－5タイガーとミラージューF－1 。どっちも、
好きな戦闘機。どっちも、
レベル高い戦闘機だ。
waiting for DCS players to point out the F-5E HUD doesnt look anything like that.. in fact is just a circle
FSE is a light and agile fighter good for close range dog fight but compared to the F-16, theres a payload restriction and its best suited for air-to-air combat. It looks like a Freedom Fighter though (CF-5)
Nope, it's a Tiger II. The Freedom Fighter is smaller, has weaker engines, and different LEXs
To be honest. When I watched this scene. I was expecting that it would be Mickey Simon in his F-14 tomcat that would try to engage Shin in his F-5 Tiger.
@yamannbo wut¿?
Whats the name of the background music?
Rank 1 - Symsonic
Exactly. F-20 competed with the F-16 but lost.
Errr no..
The Freedom Fighter is the F-5A->D versions, the F-5E was called Tiger II , and the F-20 was called TigerShark.
the F-20 is interesting, is a F-5 with a F-16 engine, advanced avionics, and better visibility.. but it lacked "grow up" capability and the F-16 took the price in being exported to ally countries
edit 13 years later to clarify the Tigershark uses a F404 engine ..thats the F-18 one..not the big F-16 F100/110 engines
F5 legendary fighter jet ❤️❤️🇵🇭👍
Kinda interesting how Shin can pull all those tight maneuvers in a Tiger II, presumably while on full internal fuel and with full drop tanks as well.
Poor thing would've practically fallen apart if he tried that irl...
Still, it's a damn good scene.
Would've been kinda interesting if it ended with Shin getting shot down, and I feel like it would've better fit the tone of this adaptation.
What area 88 is this? The OVA from 2006?
2003
what is name of this cartoon show?
Area88，TV anime，in 2003！！
She really tried dogfighting a F5 in close distance using a F1 🤡
A F-5 with 3 bags.. it would be like dogfighting a Learjet
@@sparrowlt Kinda makes sense, I believe that it could still dogfight, it could with 4x mavericks too.
@@terabyter7976 you can...but not very well.. even if you have the energy the tanks really wont do anything good beyond 4Gs
Why was she fighting him, again?
Shin decided to defect, and tried to essentially escape back to Japan (highly unlikely)
dragon ball, ranma, saint seiya, etc. its because the copyright things, and to sell more CD soundtracks, no one want a CD with japanese music, so they create new one to sell more
やっぱりＣＧの方がカッコイイなぁ；
見分けれない
good thing Indonesia, my country, has the F-5E for Air Force.
Pls Chile F5 Tiger III
morocco have those aircrafts
well this is a cartoon, so, what we see here can´t be a good comparison betwen the 2 planes.
F-20 TigerShark
Nope.. this is a F-5E Tiger II
Both in series reference and the engines tell it is a F-5E Tiger II. The F-20A Tigershark had only a single engine, unlike the F-5A/B/E/F and all other variants.
F-5 have two motors....
F5 did not even jettison its tanks
cause he wanted to run away and needed the fuel
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he later changes his mind and decides to stay and fight an enemy formation thats coming at them and he does jettison the tanks before engaging
F-5 has no chance against de Mirage F-1 Mirage F-1 os to fast for f-5 and Mirage F-1 has more energy than a f-5