Jim Cornette on Ricky Steamboat Turning Down Ric Flair's Comeback Match
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ส.ค. 2024
- From Episode 432 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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Steamboat is clearly the smartest man in wrestling because he knows when to quit.
True.
Maybe his wife doesn't want him to wrestle
Lol...he was forced to quit because he got hurt.
He just didn’t want to be put in that figure 4 leg lock and have to scream out, I give up slick Ric, Wooooo.
Sad part is that WWE gave Ric the absolute, best send off that one man could have ever been given….and he squandered it.
Exactly
Flair can't seem to stop entering new marriages that are certain to end. Hence, the need for money.
TNA! TNA! TNA!
And now he claims he was basically forced into it.
@@Pogo113 I believe him
One of the things I love and respect the most about Ricky, and there are many, is that he knew when to stop and didn't half (or more than half) kill himself trying to hold onto past glory.
some outlaw mudshow goofs should learn from him
@@Ramekink NAMELY RIC FUCKING FLAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To be fair if that flippy fuck (forgot his name) didn’t do a 450 splash on his head and almost kill him he’d probably still do spot shows here and there. He was in great shape against Jericho (for indie standards)
jack evans? i have no idea tho
@@Mahinskerrr That was Justin Gabriel / PJ Black.
If you listen carefully, you'll hear thr sound of Conrad's chins jiggling.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm just *really* glad that when I say I got to see Ric Flair wrestle live, I'm talking about Flair vs Dusty in '86 and Flair vs HBK at WrestleMania.
Both were amazing 👏
That WrestleMania match was a definitive end to Flair's career. No wrestling fan cannot hear the words "I'm sorry. I love you" without welling up.
@@chwenhoou It was some great storytelling for sure.
@@chwenhoou I don’t know. I thought it was a bit tacky. Maybe,because I was sick of watching Flair piss on his own legacy and the outcome of the match was a foregone conclusion. Or,It was sad watching Flair retire at a WWE event.
@@chwenhoou Means nothing after having all the other matches and the debacle walking pace event to come with a low blow throw so many chops,evade a punch or 2 and whatever else is able to be done.
Its also fair to point out, Morton is 8 years younger than Flair.
Yup, Morton seems a natural to fight Flair 🤷🏻♂️
RICKY Morton, but I've never seen ANY Flair perform a Canadian Destroyer.
More importantly Ricky Morton is not a complete train wreck who gave himself congestive heart failure through decades of alcoholism and refused to stop drinking even after he was given a pacemaker.
and Ricky wrestled a lot of tag matches. Flair was 60 minutes almost every night for a long time.
Flair is determined to play out the plot of “The Wrestler” and literally die in the ring in his last match.
Exactly what I thought about this last hurrah attempt against Steamboat
That's his choice.
Steamboat is clearly loved by the fans but he's criminally underrated. I personally think his name should be in the mix for "best of all time"
He’s never been mentioned enough on WWE TV and on the video games for his name to be in that conversation unfortunately. As an 18 year old I grew up hearing all about stone cold, the rock, Brett, hogan, flair etc but certain guys just wouldn’t get the respect they deserve and I had to find out about them myself
Definitely the GOAT babyface.
Everybody had their best matches against Steamboat . Flair , Randy Savage , Jake Roberts , Don Muraco . Steamboat brought out the best in everyone. He was underated as a singles wrestler but also part of a tag team that is very underated. Steamboat & Jay Youngblood were one of the best babyface duo's in history. Check out their matches from Jim Crockett promotions in the early 1980s. Great stuff .
as a babyface worker I think you're right, hes in the conversation, as an overall personality/star in the business hes not in the conversation, he was just never put in the position to be a Stone Cold or Hogan.
If only for having the name 'Dick Blood'
It's a slight tangent but Scott Hall's advice to Kevin Nash was smart; don't make your physique your gimmick, body's the first thing to go.
Rics going after Terry Funk's retirement record. "5 times! 5 times!" - Booker T
I loved Ricky Steamboat vs Chris Jericho at Backlash and Wrestlemania. The pop Steamboat got when he skinned the cat was great.
That was 13 years ago lmao
@@davey3884 yeah and, it was still cool, lol 😆 too bad the the production was too scared to catch it on camera
it was backlash not mania, mania was the 6man with piper and snuka, the 1 on 1 was backlash the PPV after mania
That was the birth of the "You still got it chant."
It gives me goosebumps to this day
Steamboat was incredible in that legands Vs Jericho match at Mania, and earned a one on one match against Jericho on the following pay per view. Nice little run to show he could still go so many years after being retired.
I agree with Jim, watching flair would only be sad. Just like Mae young wanting to wrestle on her 100th birthday would've been sad had she lived that long
Yeah watching the goat at 70 would just make me sad, unlike watching Oldberg which just makes me mad...
Mae Young wanted to go through a table on her 100th... what a badass she musta been
@@bipolarminddroppings With Goldberg, the truth is he is forced down your throat anymore, it's like Jim said, WWE is like shopping at the grocery store that hates its customers & does what it wants, however, I still respect what Vince Mcmahon did before he lost his mind
Did you see what "Dirty" Dutch Mantell said in his interview? He said that this is just an ego trip for Flair. Nothing else!
Why hasn't he ever been a heel manager doing scandalous shit like jj Dillon?
He was somewhat that with Evolution,mostly HHH wasnt he? That era where HHH was trying to look like him,Flair was being the dastardly evil manager.
Ricky Steamboat is the smartest man in wrestling right now. He doesn't want to tarnish his legacy for a payoff or be involved in watching Ric Flair injury himself or worse, because he wants to be in the spotlight again.
I honestly think Flair actually wants to die in the ring... like legit he’s convinced himself this is the only way for him to go out
Is Brian talking about Conrad when he says “promoted by a guy who was arrested for domestic abuse?”
Yes.
@@Jatycre damn, I’ve heard inklings of this and I Wanna hear the whole story. Affirms my pre conceived notions of that guy.
@@kida197 If you look around on the web, you can find his mug shot from being arrested for DV.
Hahaha conrad is the promoter i thought he just did a podcast with JR
@@kida197 after what he said or tried to imply about Steamboat, that shot taken at him is somewhat justified
Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan both are prime examples of older wrestlers who just don't know when to let it go. Both have done more damage to their legacies than anyone else ever could. Both have had been caught up in involved with dubious situations and circumstances that portrayed them both very negatively and both just cannot stay away from the spotlight.
Leave it along. Hogan hasn't wrestled in a decade or so
Totally agree, Hogan should never have done the reality show and should have gone off into the sunset after his last big run in WWE. Flair had the perfect send off and then ruined it because he can’t get his personal life together. Both guys are the epitome of “don’t know when to stay away”
Hard to blame them tho. They’re entire identity is in their character
Hogan doesn't do in-ring work, and hasn't after age 58 or so. Nowhere close as absurd as Flair.
To be fair, I think Hogan lost all his money to his ex wife and then came back to whore himself in TNA and do those appliance commercials with Troy Aikman. Ric Flair probably just realized that in his last match he was stripped naked and got beat down by Jay Lethal.
Damn that one line about Conrad Thompson was brutal lol
But well deserved
savewithCONrad
The Conman is one of the best workers in the business, he has marks calling themselves Top Guys spending a lot of money to hang out with carnies
Ric Flair should call the Saudi Arabia government and ask for a 60 minute Ironman match with HBK with WWE.
It's always great to be reminded (around 7:30), just how immense and wide ranging, Cornette's knowledge is. The WC Fields alcoholism, loss of physical resources anecdote, is fascinating. Time waits for nobody.
I met both Ric and Ricky over Wrestlemania weekend. Both of them were absolutely amazing to meet. Ric was looking a little rough. He had cut on his forehead from taking a bump. Such a gentleman. I didn't get to speak with him long as he had a massive line behind me but we spoke about 4 horsemen and Stylin' N' Profilin'. Ricky acted 15-20 years younger. He was up and down, moving all a bout. He let me wear his WWE Hall of Fame right. We talked all things wrestling. Psychology, story telling, moves, spots. It was surreal. I hope this is indeed his last match.
Now, Jesus' comeback, we've been waiting for that one quite a while. That would sell out the Garden (No, not Gethsemane, but Madison Square). He could wrestle Death. A rematch over 2000 years in the making.
Those three matches Steamboat had with Flair in 1989 are all time classics. Steamboat is right not to be anywhere near this mess of an idea.
At least Ricky knew when to hang em up, that last match he had with Jericho was amazing and great way to end his career. Ric had his sendoff at wrestlemania and STILL didn’t hang it up.
@@MinusTheRogue Ric needs the 💰. He has too many ex wives and 💰 he owes to the IRS.🤦🤷
Glad Steamboat said no, Their match was legendary, and leave those images in my mind alone
Ricky Steamboat 69, Ric Flair 73. Nobody needs to see that match.
I remember a match in wcw with Flair and Piper. Both way past their prime then. The match was terrible. And that was 25 years ago lol
Yea but from that point to flairs last wwe match in 08... he had a bunch of good-great matches. So your point?
@@AcesPlace22 How many really though? Undertaker & HBK at WM… that’s it
@@AcesPlace22 He’s had great matches since WM24?
Name 5.
Steamboat will only come out of retirement for Jericho
Ricky is way smarter than flair
always has been it seems
didnt know flairs life was ours to live
I've had bowel movements smarter than Flair!
I think Stone Colds final match was the best anyone could hope for. And that was after retiring early, taking great care of himself, and having a talented younger worker take most of the bumps. Ric Flair coming back would be a disaster for him, the business, and his legacy. Taking any kind of bump with a pacemaker is a recipe for a worst case scenario at a live event.
If he wants to do a short cameo spot, fine. He can take a lil bump if you watch the footage with Jay Lethal.. but I dont want him anywhere near AEW lol.
@@smac919 He should wrestle Lethal while Lethal is doing his Savage impression
I disagree. That "match" was senseless and corny. He shouldn't have done it. I'll take him and rock anyday
Imagine Flair vs. New Jack! rest in peace New Jack.
I bet Flair at this age would look more like a wrestler than Adam Cole.
@@Kalbuir66 lmao!
Wow
Ric should just be a heel manager for someone if he wants to be around the business. He could even have a spot or two, take a bump, deliver a figure 4 or whatever.. but having an actual match is probably not the best idea.
Though I will say, I did see the footage of Ric and Jay Lethal training, and Ric did take a few bumps pretty well for his age and shape. His offense is horrible though.
Father time is undefeated.
"🎶Leave the memories alone🎶" 😆😆😆
I saw a YT video in which Ricky took viewers on a tour of his Dragon Den room in his home. Photos of his favorite matches on the wall, belts, posters, awards, and all displayed so nicely. Anyone could see that Ricky was content and any fan seeing the video couldn't help but be happy for him. And yes, I for one am glad he's still around and enjoying his life! I wish Ric's happiness didn't depend on his getting in the ring.
Jim isn't going to rock the boat about Conrad since he was one of the first to take his money.
Lol yup. Doesn't wanna burn that bridge.
@@OffSumThraxx if Jim hadn't vouched for him Conrad would likely still just be The Mortgage Guy instead of booking Flair on the show. It makes you wonder what Brian thinks of their relationship since Conrad had those charges already back then.
Jim opened the Forbidden door by taking Connie’s money to watch wrestling lol
Glass house there GBL.
Bring in all of Flair's ex-wives as his opponents. They'd wipe him out...
...again.
His children would fill out the seats at MSG..
One last pay day for them
You win 🤣
That zinger on Conrad Thompson at the end hahaha.
I feel it's downright immoral to support this show financially or otherwise. This is obviously a terrible idea.
Obviously.
The word Scuttlebutt still gets used in the Navy. That’s where I also learned other words/phrases I still use to this day like Blue Falcon, NUB, sea lawyer, SMAG and Ken doll.
Not to be intrusive but what do those particular terms mean, if you don't mind? I have an idea on sea lawyer and Kenny Olivier doll, but it would be interesting to know some of the inside lingo.
@Andrew Howden Thank you for asking. A Blue Falcon is a person who screws over his buddies (aka Buddy F***er). A NUB is a non useful body (rookie). A SMAG is a Sometime Mechanic Always Goofy. A sea lawyer is someone who tries to get out of work by knowing the rule book, and a Ken doll is a coward, or someone with no balls.
@@wilcee238 awesome man, I've definitely encountered a few of those, SMAG, that one is gold. Thank you for your response as well as your previous service, sir.
@Andrew Howden Take it easy pal.
Wow the navy really is gay
Flair should've stayed retired after 2008.
It was sad watching Holyfield last fight
Figures one of the greatest babyfaces of all time was born with the most heelish name. Dick Blood.
Honestly, I would like him to wrestle the legendary masked luchador Canek, who is also 70 and still looks incredible and recently had some matches. I think they could put on a good show together
99.9% Flair will wear something that will cover his upper body even though he's in good shape for a 73 years old!
Who the fuck cares?
He said he'll be in a shirt. I'm not saying that I think any of this is a good idea lol
@@MattKayser Hmmmmm
Look at that qualifier…
i was lucky enough to have caught FLAIR vs SAVAGE on the house show tour for WRESTLEMANIA VIII. Im grateful i caught these legends then at that stage of their careers (Undertaker was there too!). seeing wrestlers attempting to recapture their glory days when they are past their prime to the point of where Flair is at right now, is difficult to watch.
Flair carrying Savage is not a dream match. Watch more wrestling
I;m convinced Jim's co host sits when he pees 😂🤣
Lol
Ive seen Morton wrestle against Nash recently. I don't see this being much more than a bad 1980s dark match.
Exactly what I keep saying 😂😂😂
Kevin Nash? I thought he retired in 2019?
Jake once said the Dragon isn't mentally well.
One has to consider that Flair is actually *trying* to die doing what he loves, and on live TV. There are worse ways to go.
And not as humiliating.
pretty sick my dude
Listening to people who make money off the wrestling business tell the greatest wrestler of all time to NOT MAKE MONEY OFF THE WRESTLING BUSINESS really rubs me the wrong way! Brian Last is one to talk. Here’s a guy who rides Jim Cornette’s coattails to have ANY money or ANY recognition at all, and he’s EMBARRASSED by Ric Flair?! Shut up and continue being Jim’s lapdog, Brian. Who the hell is Brian Last anyway? Exactly… Forever a NOBODY!
Yeah that kinda rubs me the wrong way too tbh. I get ppl’s sentiment but even if its JUST a money grab…if anybody has the right to milk & prostitute the wrestling business for all they can,its Ric Flair.
If you thought looking at Vince’s saggy grandpa arms was sad idk what people are gonna say when they see Ric in there again in just his trunks
And even those trunks might not stop him from helicopter-ing his opponent on their nose.
Vince was still in kinda good shape, ofcourse he looked saggy but those arms were still dangerous lol
Nick Aldis used "scuttlebutt" not too long ago on NWA Powerrr lol
I can't believe I am agreeing with Brian Last 100%
You don't want to see Flair windmill someone into the corner with his 'hammer'?
"He's the guy who values he's a family man. Loves his wife and son and does the best he can. *Inaudible lyrics* does the best he can. Ricky Steamboat, The Dragon!"
He's a guy with values, he's a family man
Loves his wife and son and does the best he can
Only wrestler that's not hard to understand
Ricky Steamboat, The Dragon!
Jim won’t ever say anything about CONrad. I heard he’s had dealings with him in the past. Must’ve had an nda
The brain bleed issue with Ricky Steamboat stemmed from the angle they did on RAW where there was a ring full of legends (including Steamboat) and The Nexus appeared and circled the ring and the legends tried to fight them off.
Even Jim Crockett is looking down saying WTF. I’m promoting this crap
The liver spots on the animated Nature Boy is a nice touch
I actually just read a WC Fields biography. Weird the way all this stuf meshes together.
The Fall of Ric Flair: Outlaw Mud Show comeback
The only one desperate enough and crazy enough to agree to do stuff with ric flair is hogan.
the funny thing is Hogan didn't want anything to do with him in the early nineties or the late 90s. Now he might actually do it for the right amount of cash
If Hogan is able to get new hips and a new back, sure. But he’s done, brother.
@@maddogsportzjh they're both done, if i ever see flair vs hogan it better be Charlotte vs brooke, and even then it better be after 2 years at least of brooke training for this, but brooke mindset is at another place, not wrestling, so no worries.
I believe Hogan's last match was against the Big Show in 2007. I wouldn't call what he did with Sting in 2012 an actual match. Anyway my point being is he hasn't wrestled in many years and he retired from any in ring action due to his back and hips.
I just can't see this thing happening or going well. I watched Flairs retirement match with Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania. He looked back then in the ring like he was more than ready to retire plus can't help remembering his promise to never get into a ring again. I see that promises don't mean much to him.
Ric Flair wrestling at his age has bad idea written all over it.
What’s regarded as the best match from their 1989 trilogy? Been many a year since I’ve watched them. Or is it a case that they’re all pretty much epic?
Chi-Town is the one I think gets mentioned most often
They're all pretty much the same
All 3 are considered classic but Flair regaining the title on May 7th at Wrestle War is generally picked as the best of the 3. Jim Cornette himself picks that match as the best of that trilogy. Also it's the favorite match of Triple H .
Anyone one of the 3 are amazing. I think the second match is the best imo, once the second fall starts it gets great.
They’re all a typical Flair routine match.
The only thing different is the trunks.
Love WC Fields story. Never heard that before.
This has the potential to be very BAD! What happens if Ric Flair does die or suffers a horrible injury? No doubt there will be some sort of investigation, people will ask why the upper heads didn't get involved to stop this, and on top of that we have a LONG DEAD wrestling promotion with a sign overhead.
Is there ANY way to cut this clean?
I'm pretty sure Flair wants to die in the ring. If that's what he wants, the what's the problem?
@@steveomac385 Uhhh...the fact that it will be seen by millions. Quite possibly rivaling the tragedy of Owen Hart.
@@steveomac385 A person would have to be a 100% piece of utter human garbage to potentially put their opponent through something like that. You're a monstrously shitty excuse for a human being if you don't think that's a problem.
@@johnlewisbrooks if that's what he wants, then who are you to deny Ric Flair. If you don't wanna watch that's cool. But that's obviously what he wants unlike owen. Who are you to deny him?
@@steveomac385 The simple fact is this kind of thing is damaging.
Ric flair is basically Randy the Ram now
Also a 4 Horseman reunion that weekend.
Brian Last, the standard bearer of morality for someone else’s life on nearly every single clip I watch.
its like going see the rolling stones in concert in 2015... ok you got see them and hear music live, maybe even a good show.. but its not gonna be anywhere near what that same show was in like 71 ..
doesn't everyone wish Ric Flair would just ride off into the sunset with grace? of course. but it's been a decade plus of this so are we really suprised
The doctor who approved this should have their medical license revoked. Oh you have a pacemaker? You're cleared to fucking wrestle!
Do we have proof that he *actually* approved it?
I would love to have some of Travis’ artwork
Every time I see Ric now, I’m embarrassed for him. Even some of the things that come out of his mouth. Saying that Triple H hadn’t picked up a phone and called him. Pretty sure Paul has had his hands full with major health issues himself.
It just, every time I see Ric Or hear him now, I feel like it’s the movie, The Wrestler, playing out in real time in front of our eyes.
Triple h does not have to call yoU YOU OVER THE HILL HAS BEEN
@@joysmith6017 Does Flair not have HHH’s number? Or,maybe Flair called him to ask for money and HHH said,”uuuuuuh,you know uhhhhhhh,Ric, uuuuuuh,I’ll call you back”.
Produced by the same company that brings us such fine programming as TH-camr Boxing.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Let the man do it If he dies so be it, he said it before, he will never retire.
What a way to go.
Everybody is entitled to feel how they want. I love Brian and Jim of course. And I'm a huge fan. But Brian's hatred for Conrad Thompson is getting in the way of his rational thought process. I don't care when or why he dislikes the guy, the point is the airplane stunt with Flair has been public knowledge for nearly 20 years. Brian being a wrestling historian knows this. So for him to act "brand newly offended" is complete bullshit. We know Jim's pass isn't so rosey either. But we accept that. Point I'm making is, ok you don't like Thompson, fine.... I aint his biggest fan either......But don't take it out on Ric.
You said it perfectly. This was just a topic on the last episode,its like they are working overtime to bury Conrad (by way of Flair). I aint the biggest Connie fan either but Brian had blood in his eyes on this.
Last is just jealous of Conrads success with podcasting and for taking his other cohost.
@@iandavies8640 If that is indeed true, then that's unfortunate. Jim and Brian have a great thing going. They've carved their own niche in the world of wrestling podcasts. Why be jealous?
Hello my people I hope all of you are having a wonderful night wherever you may be. From Cali ✌🏽
Lmfao
@@joegreene7619 Physician, heal thyself.
Thanks bro, sounds like haters are having a bad night
I’d hardly call one match a return even though most people would. It’s more of a comeback for cash
flair vs hogan with jim as the special guest ref!
Brian talking about people being shady businessmen is hysterical considering all the strong arming he does with his "friends" in Jersey.
The last bit is so funny omg
Makes you wonder if Flair's doing this as a kind of tribute to Jim Crockett Jr and the Crockett promotion?
No, he’s doing it because he’s broke
@@spanky9676 sure he has to pay wife #5
5:49 - annnnnnd we're out! Thanks Jim!
The Jim Cornette youtube channels doesn't want me to sleep confirmed
I was hoping Jim would manage FTR for the show just to see them all on the JCP set but I guess thats out 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I wonder which show Conrad is gonna respond on tho
Steamboats statement was class. Good judgment. Flair is overall my favorite of all time but I don’t want to see this. Let this die, bad idea.
Not that it would’ve been amazing, but they should’ve done it back in 2008 when Steamboat came back to fight Jericho with the other legends. They even “teased” it at Steamboats hall of fame induction.
Saw him live in the 80s. No need to tarnish those memories.
It was vaudeville. Broadway used to be way different. WC Fields silent films were all classics. Fields actually walked off the set midway through "You Can't Cheat an Honest Man" and they used a double and longshots (a number were invented by the director because of this). Flair might want to do that. Still love the show.
Steamboat would only come back for Danhausen
Flair is looking to pull a Randy “ram jam” Robinson and drop dead in the ring
Flair’s last match should have been against Michaels. Followed by that beautiful tribute where the whole locker room broke what was left of kayfabe and came out including Undertaker. Plus Steamboat, Harley, etc. He’s tarnishing all of that. Sad
move the match to Charlotte and then call it the Angina in Carolina
HAHAHAHA
I would've too,flair just needs a check. Steamboat did the right thing.
When I 1st saw where I thought I read Jim Cornette Promotions
How many last matches are we going to have it's sad
Ricky Morton still wrestles at a high rate and looks damn good doing it! Age be damned. And BTW, Brian; you could go a little easier on Ric Flair. Since when is deep-seeded passion a bad thing, age, money aside?! Listening to folks call Flair "embarrassing" makes me cringe more than Flair going out and having one more match. There's no need for that kind of disparagement being shouted aloud, regardless of what one thinks. It's his choice and I certainly won't be shocked when he pulls it off.