I met Ric flair in 2016 in Houston at comicpalooza, and I understand those things can suck for stars. And I'm not gonna say he was rude AF, but he was not polite. I met Roddy Piper the previous year, same event in Houston in 2015, and Piper seemed genuinely glad to meet every fan. Pulled everyone in for a hug and asked who we were, what we did and encouraged us to pursue what we loved. I'll never forget that.
My friend and I met Roddy back in 2011 at a horror convention in Worcester, MA. He had just had neck surgery only 1-2 weeks prior and was still wearing a neck brace. We spoke to him 2-on-1 and thanked him for showing up. He said he didn't want to let the fans down by not showing up...now I'm sure he wanted/needed the money from the event as well, but he said it so genuinely that it was hard not to believe him. It was a very cool interaction.
I met Roddy 10+ years ago at a FanExpo in Toronto and he couldn’t have been a nicer guy. I had him sign some They Live and WWF merch and we chatted for 5-10 minutes. There’s certain public figures that can make you feel special or important when you meet them, it’s a special gift they have. Roddy was definitely one of them, I still smile thinking about that day.
i don't think this is fully accurate. true the world has changed but to their point flair in public outside the ring when not doing programmed wrestling stuff was quieter, more reserved...a different character. not the nature boy. now ric flair is 100% the nature boy. this could be because the world changed but certainly flair changed as well
I wonder if we might get to see Flair strut his stuff with 30 or so beautiful women on "The Bachelor" somewhere down the road? While this may sound like far-fetched as far-fetched can be on this one, I wouldn't dare bet against the "Nature Boy" continuing to still "Kiss The Girls and Make Them Cry" after all these years. :D (y) :)
@@walsh9080 I doubt it. They got good ratings for wrestling shows,and they didn’t have to pay to air it back then. It was believed that the only people that watched wrestling lived in trailers,because they had no way to tell who was watching. They simply aired it,and ignored it. They didn’t do promos for the wrestling shows or anything else that indicated there was a wrestling show on their network. That started to change with cable tv.
Ric is a self-fulfilling prophecy. He was abandoned as a kid and has spent the rest of his life making friends and then bailing on them before they bail on him. His problem is he tries to make it everyone else's fault and it is quite obviously not. And I say this as a massive Flair fan, but he'll probably die with a zillion fans, but still alone. It makes me more sad than anything.
Ya know, I think I get now why Ric is the way he is. He probably resents a'lot of his peers that have their lives pretty much figured out. Take Mick Foley for example. Ric absolutely HATED Mick for the longest time. And I think part of it is because he resents the life Mick Foley has. Still married to his wife, never divorced, great relationship with his kids, respected by everyone, BELOVED by the fans, nobody has ever said anything bad about him, and he knew when it was time to hang it up and just be normal.
@hollaatmeross I wouldn't say being single in your 40s is bad at all especially as a man. For every guy who doesnt get married, theres one who did who had a soulless marriage or got divorced
@@AJDaEnvoy I agree with you I'm nearing 40 myself and I'm not married or in a relationship because I'm less of a man. It's because I'm asexual among many other reasons. That said it is true that Flair probably was jealous of Foley if only at a subconscious level that bubbled up occasionally
What JC said at 8:30-8:42 is how I felt every time I saw a Triple H match on Raw and the MANY pay per views that he would win. If he’s not featured on Evil, something’s wrong.
LOL, if you consider just trying to keep your spot as evil then HHH needs to get in line behind Hogan, Verne Gange, Jeff Jarrett, and probably Kevin Nash.
There's a video floating around TH-cam of Flair in a bar, dancing in front of a pair of 20 year olds, obviously trying to flirt with them, and I'm not sure what's sadder: the video or the people in the comments cheering him on. Grow up already, Rick.
Jim saying "can I get a Ric Flair...." is true. A few years ago, I saw Lamb of God and Slipknot in Florida. While LoG was playing, their singer suddenly throws out "can I get a Ric Flair Wooo?" and next thing I knew, 10,000 metalheads were doing a group woo!
@@raymondford8919 Yes, they would. Like, it's embarrassing for you to think otherwise. I don't know a thing about Jerry Lee Lewis, but his crowd probably wouldn't woo because they're all 100 years old and shouldn't be spending energy on that stuff. Instead of bringing up a dumb example, stay with the topic at hand. People would have woo'd in the same situation mentioned before without the inclusion of Flair's name. You hear woo fests breaking out at UFC events when someone woos because it's a silly, fun, easy thing to do. The people doing it aren't all Flair marks, they're just random people doing a random thing.
I think one of the issues with the Nature Boy is the same as the hard rock bands in the 80s. When you saw Van Halen in 1985 your thought "man, what a life! party all the time, more money than you can spend, and pussy out the ying-yang". But when you become an adult you realize they are actually barely functioning alcoholics who have no sense of the value of money and are riddled with STDs. Once the veneer is stripped away from Ric you see that he's just a human who never grew up. I LOVE Ric Flair. This isn't a slam on him. But when you see that the man you thought had it all turns out of be just a man, it takes away the power of that persona.
In the 70s and 80s, We fans were so invested in the matches. They could have done all of today's gymnastics and we wouldn't have been impressed. It was all about the great drama, and bad guys getting what was coming to them.
Poor Conrad,I know he thought marrying into the Flair family would get him over for life. Now he’s having to clean up Ric’s public fallouts with Madden etc Him and HHH really damn near ending up in similar boats 😂😂😂😂😂
It's amazing Flair is still alive . Besides the booze and all the partying just think of the abuse his body has been through. He took more bumps in one match then some guys took in 100 matches.
I knew Ric was the dirtiest player in the game when Vince gave him several million dollars for his tax debt and Flair turns around and sues WWE over the big gold belt then over “The Man”. You can tell HHH got burned his idol too,he loves Ric but has to from a distance. Its why ultimately he got closer with Dusty because Ric will do you dirty at some point.
I met Flair at the San Francisco Airport 16 years ago and man, what a Cool dude he was! And he was nice enough to take a picture with me! Class act guy all the way.
@@kelman727 Thompson was pitiful near the end of his life. Could barely finish a sentence and yet he was still trotted out on the talk show circuit like he had something of relevance to say.
Yep. You can tell that Brian is just like, ‘I have a daughter. How would I feel if Flair did that shit to her?! He’s ripped off more people for money, than I can count on both hands. He’s just a piece of shit!’. Now, if Ric ever goes anti-Semitic, that’s the one where I don’t think Brian would be able to hold back. Cornette might have to just skip that topic. And I notice that there’s been fewer Flair topics overall on the show. That’s likely by design.
Remember when Ric Flair & Roddy Piper did the "Wife Swap" show, and Piper told him (or at least tried to) "Dude....it's not 1985. You're not the World Champion anymore!" And Flair got PISSED!!!! Kinda knew then: This doesn't end well.
This show wasn’t supposed to be a legit documentary but instead an examination of the “bad guy” character … but then it spun out of control into some kind of WWE sanitized press release
More like peacock got there hands on it and took a dump hoping wrestling fans would lick it up. EVIL is the worst program of a lazy wrestling documentary done with a bunch of morons
Flair promos to me sound like Sylvester The Cat after a 3 day bender. He's the anti hulk hogan to me. Same formulaic match every time but everyone loves him for his charisma....which I don't see at all.
A lot of the stuff they talked about on this episode of EVIL was already discussed on ESPN’s 30 for 30: Nature Boy. I was surprised that Corny and Last didn’t mention Ric’s falling out with Mark Madden.
Ric is what he is you cannot discount his place in professional wrestling but to still be living his gimmick at his age is most likely not going to end on a positive note. God bless Ric Flair for all he has given the fans over all these years but as a fellow human being I hope he finds peace and contentment before the final bell rings. It rings for all of us even Ric Flair. I love and respect Ric Flair for all the years of entertainment and fun, I truly do but I pray for Ric Flair the human being that he finds peace and contentment and true fulfillment in his personal life as a fellow human being.
End on a positive note? Ric probably realizes he should have been dead many years ago, so every day is just gravy and he's not going to change or modify his behavior, no matter how egregious or boorish. He's 73...he could check out any number of grisly ways, and he wouldn't regret anything. That's at least my take on his psychology.
I couldn’t even imagine how many brain cells he’s killed with alcohol in the past 45 years. If he doesn’t already have some form of dementia, he likely will.
@@trappenweisseguy27 You have a great point. Also, alot of ppl are not familiar with something called Wernicke-Korsakoff Syndrome. I wasn't aware of it either until my dad got it. Its dementia caused by long time alcoholism. It mirrors Alzheimers. And it happens VERY SUDDENLY. It was my birthday 2016 and me and him was drinking like every other night. He said "okay I think I'm going to bed, dude". I said ok and helped him up the steps to his room. Told him I'd see him in the morning and I love him. The next morning after i woke up i went upstairs to check on him as usual. He woke up and when he saw me I could see it in his eyes that he was genuinely scared and DID NOT RECOGNIZE me. He yelled "WHO ARE YOU? GET THE FUCK OUTTA MY HOUSE MOTHERFUCKER" He leaned over to get his pistol from his nightstand (thank God my brother already moved it for safety reasons. He was LEGIT going to shoot me. Then he called the family dog to attack me, the family dog that's been dead for years. I knew immediately something is very wrong. Ambulance came and after a day or so at the hospital they diagnosed him with Wernicke Korsakoff. What's so wild is it hit him literally overnight, and once he woke up with it, he was never the same. He never drank again. He actually didnt know he was an alcoholic. He had days where he was more lucid and aware of his surroundings, but it was just like being around someone with Alzheimers. He passed away June 27, 2020. I miss him so much. It's also hereditary, and I'm an alcoholic myself. I've slowed down and cut back, but i need to stop drinking all together. I'm surprised Ric doesn't have this
The reason Stone Cold's able to connect with the crowd like no one else is that he's based on the man portraying him. Not as short-fused, otherwise he'd be in jail lol.
Same with The Rock. As a "character" he was outlandish but it came from Dwayne Johnson's natural charisma. Basically both he and Austin were just being themselves with the volume turned up to 1000.
Brian Last really has an unrealistic viewpoint when it comes to anything WWE produces. Like when HHH was being interviewed by Stephen A Smith, and he wanted him to ask HHH questions about Shane's status in the company and if the WWE will be sold. This is a man that has a defibrillator implanted in his chest to keep his heart rate in check, and Brian wants him to be asked high pressure questions.
@@maxxdahl6062 He was there to announce his retirement from in-ring wrestling....it wasn't an interrogation. Last just hates WWE with a vengeance....contrast with some of the soft-sell reactions he gives to stories on Tony Khan....Jim had to do another segment on the ratings thing that time because Brian went with the narrative it was a "hit piece" and was defending Khan when it first happened.
Met Flair and The Horseman in 1988. Flair was very nice an accommodating. All the guys were great. I think now, he takes himself too seriously. I think Ric thinks people want him to be as he was. He's constantly wanting attention which is ok, but he actions are making some of his die hard fans wanting him to ease off a little. There will never be another Mantle nor another Flair.
It just made me shake my head when I watched clips on TH-cam and saw that SO many people just took Flair at his word, when he talked about guys like Ole, Tully and Arn not calling him when his son died. As if we shouldn't all be able to understand that that was FLAIRS version of events. Meanwhile, Ole's been shitting on him for thirty years and people expect me to believe that Arn Anderson of all people wouldn't call Flair when his son died and that was just it? It's called, 'Arn knows the REAL reason why they don't talk anymore and it would not only make Flair look WORSE than he does, but it would probably affect more than just those two, so he's going to leave well enough alone because it wouldn't make a difference otherwise anyway. Flair will never change. I mean, the man is separated from the woman who nursed him back to health and practically helped save his life, HHH no longer talks to him at all and David Flair no longer talks to him at all.
I hear ya! I can't see Arn being the problem! Arn has always been unselfish in a cut throat back stabbing business!! One of my favorite Arn quotes " yes, flair was the leader of the horseman cause I let him be."
Arn had his own struggle with alcohol issues. Went to rehab and probably found it impossible to be around Flair after that. It's crazy that after nearly dying and ending up in a coma he's still drinking now at 73 years old.
@@DaveMoth I do know that one of Flair’s Ex-Wives was also good friends with Arn and that Arn confronted Flair about how poorly he treated her. It wouldn’t surprise me if Flair owed Arn money too, because he’s ripped off a LOT of people for money.
All of you people 💩 on Flair have valid points. But just know how important he was to wrestling. (If you love it) Not only was he one of the Greatest of All Time but he helped put Jim Cornette on the map.
This wasn't a documentary on the history of Ric Flair. Debating the subject as if it were is pointless. Its supposed to be an expose on his character. Fans discussing why they hated/loved Flair (and others) is important. WWE has done--or participated in--numerous Ric Flair documentaries.
My grandmother HATED Ric Flair with a passion. One of my first memories was my family talking shit on Ric lol honestly. And as I grew I realized why they disliked him and why I wanted to be him. He may have lowered his legend status recently you can't ignore his contribution to the business
My grandma hated him too! She had a ton of tapes and Flair just had a way of getting under her skin years later. Cornette is right about it being gone, I never felt the kind of sheer rage she felt about Ric Flair.
Anyone who has been in a position to make that much money and manages it so poorly that they still have to work at 70+ is eventually going to become just a caricature of themselves. They still need the money and they only know how to do one thing. They can’t keep the quality up forever.
Brian Last is so jealous of Ric Flair. More so recently due to the success of Ric Flair’s podcast. Brian reminds me of Eric Bischoff from the late 90s with trying to bury a legend that will live forever.
@@xavierrhcp13 Flairs podcast is not nearly as good as I thought it would be but he still has over 100,000 subscribers. I’m hoping it’ll get better with the new host.
I usually roll my eyes whenever he goes off on his "WWE is evil" tangents but he sounds ridiculous trying to differentiate between a "wrestling fan" and a "wrestling HIS-TORIAN" like dude get off your high horse.
Say it's because I'm a "young guy" (by Cornette's standards), and maybe it's because I'm also a performer in my own line of work, but I don't MIND finding out that someone who plays a heel in wrestling is actually a nice person away from the ring. Hell, the one thing I'll never forgive myself for is the time when I went to a stage show of Snow White and afterwards was too scared to go ask the actor that played the Evil Queen for her autograph because I thought she really was the Queen - I was FOUR YEARS OLD at the time. Since then, guess what - I GREW UP. It's actually refreshing to know a guy who's a major jerk in the ring isn't like that in real life and no it doesn't hurt my enjoyment of the in-ring performance. Hell, look at Randy Orton's current life compared to Flair's and tell me you'd rather end up like the latter. This whole ass backwards kayfabe mindset that you have to commit yourself to your rasslin gimmick 24/7/365 is among the biggest reasons the majority of the real world has no respect for pro wrestling.
@@hahajones and he accepts high numbers for the podcast he runs by reviewing modern wrestling and refuses to do any research on modern wrestling to help Cornette out. He’s horrible.
Brian is a wrestling elitist, and having met him and having a conversation with him, I can tell you he has every right to be. That dude is an absolute wrestling historian and has a passion for it. After meeting him, I don’t look at him negatively anymore
Let me get this straight, So if they aren’t wrestling fans, Brian complains that they shouldn’t be there….but if they are fans, Brian STILL complains that WWE wants people who like their product? Is there anything Brian doesn’t cry over?
8:05... 80's Wrestling Was Televised "FightClub", Before There Ever Was a "FightClub" Film. (As Wrestling "Modernized" it Transformed from FightClub into "Entertainment".)
Ric Flair is the type of person it seems that doesn’t value loyalty but its more of what can you do for me lately. Everyone who was there for him has given up on him and he has no self awareness to see that maybe he is the problem.
Brian gets SO mad that the WWE does these docs and invites charismatic and/or fun personalities to come on instead of inviting “serious historians who KNOW things and people who were there!”........ I wonder who he has in mind when he says that? Hmmm.
@@juliotorres3147 it’s a documentary made to be as entertaining as possible? If you’re looking for a dry 5 part fact finding mission about Naitch’s life from infancy til current day, maybe you and Last can petition Ken Burns to make “Ric Flair: An American Life” and ask for creative control of the guest spots.
@@seanbarton4940 So, why not just make his life story absolutely up from a fiction from the beginning? It's not unreasonable to expect accuracy from a documentary.
@@maxxdahl6062 “WWE Evil” is not nor does it purport itself to be a “real documentary.” In fact, just reading the series description and tag line makes it pretty clear that the show probably is coming from a kayfabe perspective. “WWE EVIL, an entertaining psychological exposé into the minds of the most diabolical villains in WWE history.” If you think this WWE Network/Peacock show about “the most diabolical villains and the evilest minds in the business” is going to be feeding you straight unadulterated facts about the life and times of one Richard Morgan Fliehr? Maybe check the back of your shirt for a chalk mark.
@@seanbarton4940 Then why not make it up from the start? "Ric flair became an astronaut at the age of 5, could play the piano without looking at the sheet music, could pull a fully loaded train with his teeth." If you're doing an expose of anyone it's not unreasonable to expect some accuracy, especially from people who you're parading around as a "historian".
LOL, Brian 'I AM THE ONLY REAL WRESTLING HISTORIAN' Last is always mad at who the WWE has on ANY documentary. Please, Last does NOT know more than he actually knows. The talking heads were fine in this series, they were either fans and personalities. Of course we know, Last doesn't like WWE fans. Also am so tired of him saying 'safe' who is AEW using that is so critical of the product, no one. Just stop it. Half these folks could beat him in any form of mental gymnastics anyway.
Person: "Look at this cool little video." Brian Last: "Wow that was great and well made. Who made this?" Person: "WWE" Brian Last: "That video sucks. It's garbage and I never want to see it again" Person: -_-
Ron Funches while being an actor and comedian, is also a pro wrestling diehard and has actually been in a feud and match with Tony Deppen for GCW. He shocked a lot of people with not only his ability in the ring, but his complete respect for the business. He's legit.
Facts. Ironically for all the talk of people not knowing the facts I'm the documentary you would think one of the two guys would have looked into these people before deriding their ability to talk wrestling. Love the podcast but they just seem angry and bitter sometimes. Like I get it, wrestling at what it used to be. But I don't think it ever could be. It's not 1980 anymore. People have access to all the information in the world all the time. Kayfabe is dead. The old ways only work for hardcore fans. WWE should have kept leaning into it as the attitude era ended. They did a great job pivoting into changing with the times in the mid to late 90s. Then I the 2000s they went PG for the money (which worked financially) and ending up alienating many OG fans. WWE is a content company now with probably millions of hours of content. That's the game now.
I only now heard the show existed (I haven't watched WWE in 7 years) and so I paused and watched the trailer for the show. I thought maybe it was a doc series like Dark Side of the Ring, going into more of the shady shit involving the company. As soon as I saw that it was a WWE production, I knew I was wrong and that it is WWE's attempt at doing a filtered version of Dark Side. Then I watched the trailer. It looked like nothing but self-congratulatory garbage promos, and all are boasting about how great they are at acting. Now that's just the ad. Hey, to each their own. I guess people like this stuff.
Corny really hates Bischoff to the point where he just makes stuff up about him. Bischoff didn’t even arrive in WCW intro the Great American Bash which was the event where Flair didn’t show and he came in as an announcer nothing to do with creative. Bischoff had zero to do with Flair leaving in 1991.
I like the way Jim's character never breaks k******. As for Eric: it's taken me decades to get over my hatred for his whole Donny Osmond routine - but I can finally appreciate some of the sense he talks.
@@herbert9241 they all have their own agendas and biases that’s to be expected. I’m not saying Eric is 100% right on everything nowhere near but Corny has an issue with Eric over certain things and he’s been corrected on them many times but chooses to ignore the truth.
I love Jim’s show and I’ve been listening for years, but I continue to disagree with his view on kayfabe in modern times. In 2022, wrestling fans watch the show realizing Undertaker is a normal person portraying a character on television. Wrestling fans realize that Randy Orton goes home and is a family man, not someone who is mentally unstable and could assault anyone at anytime for no reason. I realize he hates the comparison, but wrestling has gone full steam ahead into “we’re a television production” territory. Shoot interviews now are not rare. They’re just like interviews with television or movie actors. Nobody would watch an interview of Anthony Hopkins and say “Now he’s just coming out and telling you “Hey I’m not really a serial killer, I’m actually a nice guy playing a character” and shitting all over the acting business!” It’s just understood that these are characters, not the actual person. It doesn’t ruin my enjoyment of wrestling to know that. That’s why suspension of disbelief exists.
It's funny, when Bryan gave an impromptu rundown of Flair's conduct, i thought to myself, every one of these things is worse than anything Warrior ever did. Yet, Jim speaks about Flair and many other degenerates with love and trashes Warrior, simply because he didn't get on with or really didn't even know Warrior. Hypocrisy.
Warrior was never a mark for wrestling, he treated it like a business opportunity and was also aloof and had issues with anxiety, so he didn't warm up to that many people.
Brian Last is making these harder and harder to listen to. . . He just comes off as a jealous, screaming mark. Cornette is the Star. Feed the star and layout
I've loved Flair for decades and now....I honestly think it's sad what he's become. He drank himself to within an inch of his life...and learned nothing. He's 70+ still acting like he's 20. He's become a parody at this point.
Agreed with all you said. But he is still the Greatest professional wrestler of all time. It is funny he can be so good at 1 thing and so bad at everything else.
I so want to compare Ric Flair to one of his obvious heroes in Elvis. Except that Elvis made it clear that even in his late years in Vegas that he hadn't exactly lost command of his fastball and he rocked that town as few have before or since. Maybe Frank Sinatra and his guys. As to Flair he himself seems to have given up.😔🎤🐴💎🎼🎸🎹🤼♂️B.W.
5::43 there weren’t wrestling trainers….24 seconds later at 6:07….and Billy Robinson was one of the main trainers…wow the cohost is about as much of a wrestling historian as the comedians and radio hosts he is trying to call out for commenting an out how Verne Gagne was one of the greatest trainers 🤷♂️
I think things get lost in semantics..some people want to still protect the old image of wrestling.They had trainers,wrestling camps,etc...I believe Flair was a graduate of the AWA camp.
Semantics: there weren't "pay to become a pro wrestler" schools like Ricky Morton and Tom Prichard and others have today. Certain wrestlers/bookers/promoters would bring in guys almost like an apprentice and train them...because it was a very closed society. You would be the son/nephew of a wrestler (Von Erichs, Guereros, Anoais, Jake Roberts, the Windham Brothers, Dustin/Goldust, Slick) or knew/ played football with a wrestler ( Hulk Hogan, Stan Hansen, Stan Lane, Steve Kiern, Ric Flair, etc) or were legit athletes selectively recruited ( Mike Rotunda, Ernie Ladd, Ken Pantera, Iron Sheik, etc)...or worked for a promoter ( ring crew, concessions, programs, merchandise, etc)..Teddy Long, Michael Hayes, Jim Cornette, etc. It was no accident that Hiro Matsuda broke Terry Bollea's ankle...he was "some dude" who went to high school with Mike Graham and the idea was "he's an outsider, if we stretch him, he A: won't come back and B: will tell everyone "it's real, look what they did to me"...many a person who walked in off the street and said " I want to be a wrestler" were similarly stretched, choked, or beaten into not coming back. That was a huge part of keeping kayfabe back in the day.
They didn't have advertised schools like they do now. They didn't have people who's only job now is basically training people to be wrestlers, back then someone training you was likely doing it as a side to being a wrestler or a booker or promoter.
Watching older wrestling footage makes me realize how bad WWE is today. Modern WWE is basically like a theater production instead of the perfect combo of storytelling and athleticism that it should be.
14:28 "Start acting and appearing like a 72 year old man instead of a 72 year old Nature Boy" Wait until Jim sees the video of Ric "training" with Jay Lethal and taking bumps
I met Ric flair in 2016 in Houston at comicpalooza, and I understand those things can suck for stars. And I'm not gonna say he was rude AF, but he was not polite.
I met Roddy Piper the previous year, same event in Houston in 2015, and Piper seemed genuinely glad to meet every fan. Pulled everyone in for a hug and asked who we were, what we did and encouraged us to pursue what we loved. I'll never forget that.
That dope.
Roddy was just an amazing human being & a real man. Something Flair will never be!
My friend and I met Roddy back in 2011 at a horror convention in Worcester, MA. He had just had neck surgery only 1-2 weeks prior and was still wearing a neck brace.
We spoke to him 2-on-1 and thanked him for showing up. He said he didn't want to let the fans down by not showing up...now I'm sure he wanted/needed the money from the event as well, but he said it so genuinely that it was hard not to believe him. It was a very cool interaction.
I met Roddy 10+ years ago at a FanExpo in Toronto and he couldn’t have been a nicer guy. I had him sign some They Live and WWF merch and we chatted for 5-10 minutes. There’s certain public figures that can make you feel special or important when you meet them, it’s a special gift they have. Roddy was definitely one of them, I still smile thinking about that day.
He was probably drunk…
"I've got a gun here if you need help" 80s wrestling deadass had real heat man LMAO
The way Jim delivers this line LMAO
Ric Flair didn't change, the world did
Right
Never put better.
The world didn't change, just a few people got more vocal and scared everyone else
i don't think this is fully accurate. true the world has changed but to their point flair in public outside the ring when not doing programmed wrestling stuff was quieter, more reserved...a different character. not the nature boy. now ric flair is 100% the nature boy.
this could be because the world changed but certainly flair changed as well
What a Jaden Smith level comment this is
The older Richard Flehir gets the more he wants to be Ric Flair
I wonder if we might get to see Flair strut his stuff with 30 or so beautiful women on "The Bachelor" somewhere down the road? While this may sound like far-fetched as far-fetched can be on this one, I wouldn't dare bet against the "Nature Boy" continuing to still "Kiss The Girls and Make Them Cry" after all these years.
:D (y) :)
Me too
80s had real heat. I remember growing up in Milwaukee Wisconsin old women whacking the heels with umbrellas.
Stunt grannies lol
Most of those Grandmas were plants.. yeah some of them were real but most times them were planted Grandmas..
@@kenrickkahn Where did you hear that
They say this kind of stuff but if they would've done stuff like Muhammad Hassan; the TV station would've thrown them off the air.
@@walsh9080 I doubt it. They got good ratings for wrestling shows,and they didn’t have to pay to air it back then. It was believed that the only people that watched wrestling lived in trailers,because they had no way to tell who was watching. They simply aired it,and ignored it. They didn’t do promos for the wrestling shows or anything else that indicated there was a wrestling show on their network. That started to change with cable tv.
Ric is a self-fulfilling prophecy. He was abandoned as a kid and has spent the rest of his life making friends and then bailing on them before they bail on him. His problem is he tries to make it everyone else's fault and it is quite obviously not. And I say this as a massive Flair fan, but he'll probably die with a zillion fans, but still alone. It makes me more sad than anything.
Lmk kk Olmsted
Ya know, I think I get now why Ric is the way he is. He probably resents a'lot of his peers that have their lives pretty much figured out. Take Mick Foley for example. Ric absolutely HATED Mick for the longest time. And I think part of it is because he resents the life Mick Foley has. Still married to his wife, never divorced, great relationship with his kids, respected by everyone, BELOVED by the fans, nobody has ever said anything bad about him, and he knew when it was time to hang it up and just be normal.
Bro you could not of said it any better. Ive been saying it for years. He resent’s his peers that are living a all around more healthier than himself.
@hollaatmeross I wouldn't say being single in your 40s is bad at all especially as a man. For every guy who doesnt get married, theres one who did who had a soulless marriage or got divorced
@@AJDaEnvoy I agree with you I'm nearing 40 myself and I'm not married or in a relationship because I'm less of a man. It's because I'm asexual among many other reasons. That said it is true that Flair probably was jealous of Foley if only at a subconscious level that bubbled up occasionally
@@jonpike9502 ric flair is overrated imo he's like a more talented hogan imo
@@jonpike9502 Bret is ten times better than Flair ever was in the ring.
What JC said at 8:30-8:42 is how I felt every time I saw a Triple H match on Raw and the MANY pay per views that he would win. If he’s not featured on Evil, something’s wrong.
Saaame! 2003-2006 H was top evil
He was so spot on with that bit. We really have completely lost this aspect of wrestling. It's just cheering and chanting at a gymnastics show now.
During his feud with Cactus Jack, I was getting to the point of wishing someone would shoot HHH with a gun so Cactus would be ensured victory.
LOL, if you consider just trying to keep your spot as evil then HHH needs to get in line behind Hogan, Verne Gange, Jeff Jarrett, and probably Kevin Nash.
@@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma what Jeff Jarret and Nash?!
There's a video floating around TH-cam of Flair in a bar, dancing in front of a pair of 20 year olds, obviously trying to flirt with them, and I'm not sure what's sadder: the video or the people in the comments cheering him on. Grow up already, Rick.
Ric Flair is such a great heel he made me side with Mark Madden.
Flair ain't that damn good
@@madddoggnogood1491 he is
@@yungchunks6931
Hes not that good to make me like mark masden
@@yungchunks6931
Hes not that good to make me like mark madden
Nah I still hate Mark Madden
Jim saying "can I get a Ric Flair...." is true. A few years ago, I saw Lamb of God and Slipknot in Florida. While LoG was playing, their singer suddenly throws out "can I get a Ric Flair Wooo?" and next thing I knew, 10,000 metalheads were doing a group woo!
Yep. I appreciate Flair's work from the 80s and 90s, but man do I loathe hearing modern day people "Woo".
Those people would have done the exact same thing if they'd cut the words Ric Flair out of that sentence.
@@radicalstanza3614 No they wouldn't. How many people would Woo for Jerry Lee Lewis?
@@raymondford8919 Yes, they would. Like, it's embarrassing for you to think otherwise. I don't know a thing about Jerry Lee Lewis, but his crowd probably wouldn't woo because they're all 100 years old and shouldn't be spending energy on that stuff. Instead of bringing up a dumb example, stay with the topic at hand. People would have woo'd in the same situation mentioned before without the inclusion of Flair's name. You hear woo fests breaking out at UFC events when someone woos because it's a silly, fun, easy thing to do. The people doing it aren't all Flair marks, they're just random people doing a random thing.
They totally did it at the Boston gig opening for Megadeth.
I think one of the issues with the Nature Boy is the same as the hard rock bands in the 80s. When you saw Van Halen in 1985 your thought "man, what a life! party all the time, more money than you can spend, and pussy out the ying-yang". But when you become an adult you realize they are actually barely functioning alcoholics who have no sense of the value of money and are riddled with STDs. Once the veneer is stripped away from Ric you see that he's just a human who never grew up. I LOVE Ric Flair. This isn't a slam on him. But when you see that the man you thought had it all turns out of be just a man, it takes away the power of that persona.
In the 70s and 80s, We fans were so invested in the matches. They could have done all of today's gymnastics and we wouldn't have been impressed. It was all about the great drama, and bad guys getting what was coming to them.
2 of my all time favorites have let me down so much. 1st hulk hogan and lately flair. Now I almost roll my eyes and think "ohh jeez" when I see them.
Thing is, Hulk still has people who vouch for him. Hulk has a lot of problems, but he hasn't burned almost every bridge like Flair has.
Do Jim and Brain not know that all these Evil episodes are available on Peacock
I was born in 2001 and I still know that Andre was not a major heel in the states until the hogan feud and was a heel in Japan
Cornette on Flairs "drip" lmao 😂😂😂
Poor Conrad,I know he thought marrying into the Flair family would get him over for life. Now he’s having to clean up Ric’s public fallouts with Madden etc Him and HHH really damn near ending up in similar boats 😂😂😂😂😂
Poor obese mark.
It's amazing Flair is still alive . Besides the booze and all the partying just think of the abuse his body has been through. He took more bumps in one match then some guys took in 100 matches.
GENETICS !!!
He’s drunk all the time and running from his debts.
I knew Ric was the dirtiest player in the game when Vince gave him several million dollars for his tax debt and Flair turns around and sues WWE over the big gold belt then over “The Man”. You can tell HHH got burned his idol too,he loves Ric but has to from a distance. Its why ultimately he got closer with Dusty because Ric will do you dirty at some point.
Flair sued WWE over the big gold belt? You must have some reference to this
Jim is only person that should be doing every document on wrestling. Because he honestly about it.
not according to russo lmao
@@leviathan2515 If Russo told me the sky is blue, I'd have to go outside and check. He lies like we breathe.
Thank Jim for these gas prices
Bro! Bro!
@@maxxdahl6062Like Biden.
Unrelated: could we get a Watch-Along for Ric and Roddy Piper’s episode of Wife Swap?
Hey Mickey Mantle was nice to my grandpa. Granted, they were regulars at the same bar, but still!
Lmao
“It’s like asking me to comment on the space program?? What the fuck do I know about it??!”
For some reason that got me
I met Flair at the San Francisco Airport 16 years ago and man, what a Cool dude he was! And he was nice enough to take a picture with me! Class act guy all the way.
Ric Flair had some of the evil knocked out of him by Ronnie Garvin, who's hands were made of stone.
Lol haha I c what u did there
"Young lady. Your mother rode space mountain 15 years ago girl. You might go on a ride tonight. Wooo." - Ric Flair
That's gross.
@@al5306 that’s the whole point
I always liked it when he would interrupt his own promo to point out a random fan in the audience and say "Shut up, fat boy!' or something similar.
@@хаос_царствует The point is to sound like a pedophile? Cool.
@SuperPunch76 you have such a baby brain
The bloodiest feud in wrestling history.
RIC FLAIR VS HIS OWN LEGACY
Flair is like Hunter S. Thompson in his later life, who put on the Raoul Duke persona for others.
That is not a comparison I ever expected to see, but it is scarily accurate!
Fuckin hell 🤣💀
Someone else who got lazy and coasted.
@@kelman727
Thompson was pitiful near the end of his life. Could barely finish a sentence and yet he was still trotted out on the talk show circuit like he had something of relevance to say.
Hunter never would have given someone like Mark Madden the time of day.
When Corny mentioned Dr. Phil being in it I spit my wine out 🤣🤣🤣
I'm drinking wine right now at 12:45am too
🍷🍷🍷
Was it really Dr Phil?
@@RFNY315 Brooks? That explains what he was doing while out of the biz for 7 years.
@@RFNY315 deep fake
Brian so badly wants to destroy Flair but he likes his job too much 🤣🤣
Yep. You can tell that Brian is just like, ‘I have a daughter. How would I feel if Flair did that shit to her?! He’s ripped off more people for money, than I can count on both hands. He’s just a piece of shit!’. Now, if Ric ever goes anti-Semitic, that’s the one where I don’t think Brian would be able to hold back. Cornette might have to just skip that topic. And I notice that there’s been fewer Flair topics overall on the show. That’s likely by design.
@@segagenesis7708 I agree and its definitely by design that there's less discussion on Flair
@@metallicbigtoe3949 I should have known that Cornette could never bring himself to side with Mark Madden. 🤣
@@segagenesis7708 so true 😆
@@segagenesis7708 (Always Sunny title card)
*Ric Flair goes anti-Semitic*
Remember when Ric Flair & Roddy Piper did the "Wife Swap" show, and Piper told him (or at least tried to) "Dude....it's not 1985. You're not the World Champion anymore!" And Flair got PISSED!!!! Kinda knew then: This doesn't end well.
All these guys slept with each others wives.
he basically was trying to tell him or warn him rather not to trying anything funny with his family 🤣
Lol 😆 Piper kept it real
This show wasn’t supposed to be a legit documentary but instead an examination of the “bad guy” character … but then it spun out of control into some kind of WWE sanitized press release
More like peacock got there hands on it and took a dump hoping wrestling fans would lick it up. EVIL is the worst program of a lazy wrestling documentary done with a bunch of morons
In other words, it was a documentary that Vince was involved with
@@richardpreston7333 don't think thiscwas Vince, pretty sure this is all peacock
Next week: *Mermaid Man*
“EVIL!”
"Quiet, you old coot!"
Flair promos to me sound like Sylvester The Cat after a 3 day bender.
He's the anti hulk hogan to me. Same formulaic match every time but everyone loves him for his charisma....which I don't see at all.
The show is not aimed at "wrestling historians", it's filler for the network trying to get new viewers.
A lot of the stuff they talked about on this episode of EVIL was already discussed on ESPN’s 30 for 30: Nature Boy. I was surprised that Corny and Last didn’t mention Ric’s falling out with Mark Madden.
That 30 for 30 was excellent!
Ric is what he is you cannot discount his place in professional wrestling but to still be living his gimmick at his age is most likely not going to end on a positive note. God bless Ric Flair for all he has given the fans over all these years but as a fellow human being I hope he finds peace and contentment before the final bell rings. It rings for all of us even Ric Flair. I love and respect Ric Flair for all the years of entertainment and fun, I truly do but I pray for Ric Flair the human being that he finds peace and contentment and true fulfillment in his personal life as a fellow human being.
Woooooooooo!!!!!!
That was the best comment so far👍 ditto
End on a positive note? Ric probably realizes he should have been dead many years ago, so every day is just gravy and he's not going to change or modify his behavior, no matter how egregious or boorish. He's 73...he could check out any number of grisly ways, and he wouldn't regret anything. That's at least my take on his psychology.
I couldn’t even imagine how many brain cells he’s killed with alcohol in the past 45 years. If he doesn’t already have some form of dementia, he likely will.
@@trappenweisseguy27 You have a great point. Also, alot of ppl are not familiar with something called Wernicke-Korsakoff Syndrome. I wasn't aware of it either until my dad got it. Its dementia caused by long time alcoholism. It mirrors Alzheimers. And it happens VERY SUDDENLY. It was my birthday 2016 and me and him was drinking like every other night. He said "okay I think I'm going to bed, dude". I said ok and helped him up the steps to his room. Told him I'd see him in the morning and I love him. The next morning after i woke up i went upstairs to check on him as usual. He woke up and when he saw me I could see it in his eyes that he was genuinely scared and DID NOT RECOGNIZE me. He yelled "WHO ARE YOU? GET THE FUCK OUTTA MY HOUSE MOTHERFUCKER" He leaned over to get his pistol from his nightstand (thank God my brother already moved it for safety reasons. He was LEGIT going to shoot me. Then he called the family dog to attack me, the family dog that's been dead for years. I knew immediately something is very wrong. Ambulance came and after a day or so at the hospital they diagnosed him with Wernicke Korsakoff. What's so wild is it hit him literally overnight, and once he woke up with it, he was never the same. He never drank again. He actually didnt know he was an alcoholic. He had days where he was more lucid and aware of his surroundings, but it was just like being around someone with Alzheimers. He passed away June 27, 2020. I miss him so much. It's also hereditary, and I'm an alcoholic myself. I've slowed down and cut back, but i need to stop drinking all together. I'm surprised Ric doesn't have this
Damn this artwork is freaking hilarious.
Did you see the one of Ric in the straightjacket in the loonie bin? 🤣
@@thebigbop5866 Yes I did , also a classic. The way Travis draws Ric's eyes is what I find the funniest part .
@@darensparks burnt into my memory
That wonky eye is so hypnotic.
Thanks Travis!!!🤪
The reason Stone Cold's able to connect with the crowd like no one else is that he's based on the man portraying him. Not as short-fused, otherwise he'd be in jail lol.
Same with The Rock. As a "character" he was outlandish but it came from Dwayne Johnson's natural charisma. Basically both he and Austin were just being themselves with the volume turned up to 1000.
Yea, their gimmicks were more authentic in general
Brian Last really has an unrealistic viewpoint when it comes to anything WWE produces. Like when HHH was being interviewed by Stephen A Smith, and he wanted him to ask HHH questions about Shane's status in the company and if the WWE will be sold. This is a man that has a defibrillator implanted in his chest to keep his heart rate in check, and Brian wants him to be asked high pressure questions.
He's in an office position. If he cant even handle that anymore, he needs to leave the industry and take care of his family.
Not high pressure questions, but something higher pressure than a light pat on the back fluff piece questions.
Lmfao high pressure questions? Really? Those are tame and relevant questions.
Asking a WWE official..official questions....that bastard
@@maxxdahl6062 He was there to announce his retirement from in-ring wrestling....it wasn't an interrogation. Last just hates WWE with a vengeance....contrast with some of the soft-sell reactions he gives to stories on Tony Khan....Jim had to do another segment on the ratings thing that time because Brian went with the narrative it was a "hit piece" and was defending Khan when it first happened.
Met Flair and The Horseman in 1988. Flair was very nice an accommodating. All the guys were great. I think now, he takes himself too seriously. I think Ric thinks people want him to be as he was. He's constantly wanting attention which is ok, but he actions are making some of his die hard fans wanting him to ease off a little. There will never be another Mantle nor another Flair.
Ric is almost always drunk
It just made me shake my head when I watched clips on TH-cam and saw that SO many people just took Flair at his word, when he talked about guys like Ole, Tully and Arn not calling him when his son died. As if we shouldn't all be able to understand that that was FLAIRS version of events. Meanwhile, Ole's been shitting on him for thirty years and people expect me to believe that Arn Anderson of all people wouldn't call Flair when his son died and that was just it? It's called, 'Arn knows the REAL reason why they don't talk anymore and it would not only make Flair look WORSE than he does, but it would probably affect more than just those two, so he's going to leave well enough alone because it wouldn't make a difference otherwise anyway. Flair will never change. I mean, the man is separated from the woman who nursed him back to health and practically helped save his life, HHH no longer talks to him at all and David Flair no longer talks to him at all.
I hear ya! I can't see Arn being the problem! Arn has always been unselfish in a cut throat back stabbing business!! One of my favorite Arn quotes " yes, flair was the leader of the horseman cause I let him be."
Arn had his own struggle with alcohol issues. Went to rehab and probably found it impossible to be around Flair after that. It's crazy that after nearly dying and ending up in a coma he's still drinking now at 73 years old.
That's why he does that podcast with somebody most people have no clue who it is..
@@DaveMoth flair survived a plane crash too!
@@DaveMoth I do know that one of Flair’s Ex-Wives was also good friends with Arn and that Arn confronted Flair about how poorly he treated her. It wouldn’t surprise me if Flair owed Arn money too, because he’s ripped off a LOT of people for money.
All of you people 💩 on Flair have valid points. But just know how important he was to wrestling. (If you love it) Not only was he one of the Greatest of All Time but he helped put Jim Cornette on the map.
Yup. WAS. Now he is an old man. I can’t stand him now. Always looking for attention. It’s very sad.
I think Brian hates every wrestling documentary. He should start making his own .
Lmao
@@REALTRUEJOURNEY it might be his first and LAST documentary if it sucks
Brian taking time to dunk on the Masked Man is something I look forward to now...
The entire wwe evil series is on Peacock
The Randy Orton one was great
Ric and Hogan have drained my childhood soul. It's very sad and disappointing.
Not a parody Brian, he is Ric Flair !
Ric Flair is fake.
Rosenberg is a huge wrestling mark. Part of ESPN NY radio show the Michael Kay show. WWE is one of his thousand jobs
This wasn't a documentary on the history of Ric Flair.
Debating the subject as if it were is pointless.
Its supposed to be an expose on his character.
Fans discussing why they hated/loved Flair (and others) is important.
WWE has done--or participated in--numerous Ric Flair documentaries.
Corny saying "drip" is still hilarious. He sounds like that old school uncle lmao
My grandmother HATED Ric Flair with a passion. One of my first memories was my family talking shit on Ric lol honestly. And as I grew I realized why they disliked him and why I wanted to be him. He may have lowered his legend status recently you can't ignore his contribution to the business
My grandma hated him too! She had a ton of tapes and Flair just had a way of getting under her skin years later. Cornette is right about it being gone, I never felt the kind of sheer rage she felt about Ric Flair.
My dad absolutely loved his promos, I didn't get it until I was a bit older. lol
Flair seems hell bent on doing that himself...
your grandmother probably rode space mountain and ric never called her again
Anyone who has been in a position to make that much money and manages it so poorly that they still have to work at 70+ is eventually going to become just a caricature of themselves. They still need the money and they only know how to do one thing. They can’t keep the quality up forever.
Brian Last is so jealous of Ric Flair. More so recently due to the success of Ric Flair’s podcast. Brian reminds me of Eric Bischoff from the late 90s with trying to bury a legend that will live forever.
Lol Flair's podcast blows, and its literally falling apart. Mark Madden just needs to kick the last beam standing, and it all comes down. 😂
@@xavierrhcp13 Flairs podcast is not nearly as good as I thought it would be but he still has over 100,000 subscribers. I’m hoping it’ll get better with the new host.
You literally just made that up 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Did y'all see that match Flair posted with Jay lethal? Incredible
Brian Last really tries to gate keep being a fan lmaooo
I usually roll my eyes whenever he goes off on his "WWE is evil" tangents but he sounds ridiculous trying to differentiate between a "wrestling fan" and a "wrestling HIS-TORIAN" like dude get off your high horse.
@@ChiGuy251 I'd be annoyed too if the people WWE are calling historians on their show get absolute surface level basic facts wrong.
You don’t understand what “gatekeeping” means. This is obvious
@@maxxdahl6062 that doesn’t matter to these idiots. They just hate Brian and quite literally make shit up constantly.
nothing wrong with gatekeeping tons of fandoms turn to shit when the floodgates open
I think Shoemaker announced that he's doing the Simmons 'Book of Basketball' type of product now with a 'Book of Professional Wrestling' is coming.
holy shit that thumbnail is a work of art. Poor Flair, LMAO.
I'd love to hear Jim review the Hulk Hogan episode
You have to respect Ric’s dedication, he said he wanted to die in the ring, wrestling is his mistress, Woooo! “I will never retire!”
Say it's because I'm a "young guy" (by Cornette's standards), and maybe it's because I'm also a performer in my own line of work, but I don't MIND finding out that someone who plays a heel in wrestling is actually a nice person away from the ring. Hell, the one thing I'll never forgive myself for is the time when I went to a stage show of Snow White and afterwards was too scared to go ask the actor that played the Evil Queen for her autograph because I thought she really was the Queen - I was FOUR YEARS OLD at the time. Since then, guess what - I GREW UP. It's actually refreshing to know a guy who's a major jerk in the ring isn't like that in real life and no it doesn't hurt my enjoyment of the in-ring performance. Hell, look at Randy Orton's current life compared to Flair's and tell me you'd rather end up like the latter. This whole ass backwards kayfabe mindset that you have to commit yourself to your rasslin gimmick 24/7/365 is among the biggest reasons the majority of the real world has no respect for pro wrestling.
Brian really thinks highly of himself
He’s a legit wrestling historian. He takes his job very seriously, as any journalist or historian should.
@@hahajones he’s the worst
He’s a guy who born on third base and thought he hit a triple. That being said, he is a student of the game.
@@hahajones and he accepts high numbers for the podcast he runs by reviewing modern wrestling and refuses to do any research on modern wrestling to help Cornette out. He’s horrible.
Brian is a wrestling elitist, and having met him and having a conversation with him, I can tell you he has every right to be. That dude is an absolute wrestling historian and has a passion for it. After meeting him, I don’t look at him negatively anymore
I have got to give it to Cornett. He's good at Segways into his sponsor
Let me get this straight, So if they aren’t wrestling fans, Brian complains that they shouldn’t be there….but if they are fans, Brian STILL complains that WWE wants people who like their product?
Is there anything Brian doesn’t cry over?
Plenty. And that’s a funny twist on what he’s saying. You were close but completely missed the point.
Basically lol
Brian is saying that wwe is using the Rosenbergs and Sam Robert's of the world for good press/help wwe white wash wrestling history.
@@moses0686 Exactly.
8:05...
80's Wrestling Was Televised "FightClub", Before There Ever Was a "FightClub" Film.
(As Wrestling "Modernized" it Transformed from FightClub into "Entertainment".)
Ric Flair is the type of person it seems that doesn’t value loyalty but its more of what can you do for me lately. Everyone who was there for him has given up on him and he has no self awareness to see that maybe he is the problem.
Borderline personality disorder. Google it
He’s been drowning himself in alcohol for 45-50 years. That stuff kills brain cells.
@@trappenweisseguy27 yeah society has normalized alcohol like pepsi but it’s poison
Brian gets SO mad that the WWE does these docs and invites charismatic and/or fun personalities to come on instead of inviting “serious historians who KNOW things and people who were there!”........ I wonder who he has in mind when he says that? Hmmm.
It’s a documentary with people who weren’t there and don’t know shit. It’s stupid. It’s weird you’re accepting of it.
@@juliotorres3147 it’s a documentary made to be as entertaining as possible? If you’re looking for a dry 5 part fact finding mission about Naitch’s life from infancy til current day, maybe you and Last can petition Ken Burns to make “Ric Flair: An American Life” and ask for creative control of the guest spots.
@@seanbarton4940 So, why not just make his life story absolutely up from a fiction from the beginning? It's not unreasonable to expect accuracy from a documentary.
@@maxxdahl6062 “WWE Evil” is not nor does it purport itself to be a “real documentary.” In fact, just reading the series description and tag line makes it pretty clear that the show probably is coming from a kayfabe perspective.
“WWE EVIL, an entertaining psychological exposé into the minds of the most diabolical villains in WWE history.”
If you think this WWE Network/Peacock show about “the most diabolical villains and the evilest minds in the business” is going to be feeding you straight unadulterated facts about the life and times of one Richard Morgan Fliehr? Maybe check the back of your shirt for a chalk mark.
@@seanbarton4940 Then why not make it up from the start? "Ric flair became an astronaut at the age of 5, could play the piano without looking at the sheet music, could pull a fully loaded train with his teeth." If you're doing an expose of anyone it's not unreasonable to expect some accuracy, especially from people who you're parading around as a "historian".
Flair and Hogan each became caricatures of their own gimmicks. WWF was bold enough to move on. WCW didn't know how.
LOL, Brian 'I AM THE ONLY REAL WRESTLING HISTORIAN' Last is always mad at who the WWE has on ANY documentary. Please, Last does NOT know more than he actually knows. The talking heads were fine in this series, they were either fans and personalities. Of course we know, Last doesn't like WWE fans. Also am so tired of him saying 'safe' who is AEW using that is so critical of the product, no one. Just stop it. Half these folks could beat him in any form of mental gymnastics anyway.
You spelled jabroni wrong.
The art work is unbelievable. Such simple yet accurate drawings. That pic of Flair is ridiculous
😀
Person: "Look at this cool little video."
Brian Last: "Wow that was great and well made. Who made this?"
Person: "WWE"
Brian Last: "That video sucks. It's garbage and I never want to see it again"
Person: -_-
This is one time where living the gimmick too hard is a bad thing.
“When keeping it real goes wrong”
Playing make believe. Ric is sad
robbie e did too but it was cool
BRO
This wasn’t meant to be some historical think piece is was basically an opinion piece about how fans felt about.
Ron Funches while being an actor and comedian, is also a pro wrestling diehard and has actually been in a feud and match with Tony Deppen for GCW. He shocked a lot of people with not only his ability in the ring, but his complete respect for the business. He's legit.
He is funny as hell too.
I feel like Cornette would get a kick out of Ron Funches if he met him, too.
Facts. Ironically for all the talk of people not knowing the facts I'm the documentary you would think one of the two guys would have looked into these people before deriding their ability to talk wrestling. Love the podcast but they just seem angry and bitter sometimes. Like I get it, wrestling at what it used to be. But I don't think it ever could be. It's not 1980 anymore. People have access to all the information in the world all the time. Kayfabe is dead. The old ways only work for hardcore fans. WWE should have kept leaning into it as the attitude era ended. They did a great job pivoting into changing with the times in the mid to late 90s. Then I the 2000s they went PG for the money (which worked financially) and ending up alienating many OG fans. WWE is a content company now with probably millions of hours of content. That's the game now.
I believe the 40,000 people in the Orange Bowl was for the Lords of the Ring event in 1984
I only now heard the show existed (I haven't watched WWE in 7 years) and so I paused and watched the trailer for the show. I thought maybe it was a doc series like Dark Side of the Ring, going into more of the shady shit involving the company. As soon as I saw that it was a WWE production, I knew I was wrong and that it is WWE's attempt at doing a filtered version of Dark Side. Then I watched the trailer. It looked like nothing but self-congratulatory garbage promos, and all are boasting about how great they are at acting. Now that's just the ad. Hey, to each their own. I guess people like this stuff.
I know Brian last is a supposed famous wrestling historian but Jesus Christ the guy acts high and mighty all of the time
He has gym Cornette next to him to commiserate with.
It’s kinda getting hard to listen too
He really doesn’t though. You listening to the same podcast?
@@unknowniam121 Oh really? Proof please. Oh wait… you’ll only gather he knows more than them
historian? he's a glorified mark lol
Corny really hates Bischoff to the point where he just makes stuff up about him. Bischoff didn’t even arrive in WCW intro the Great American Bash which was the event where Flair didn’t show and he came in as an announcer nothing to do with creative. Bischoff had zero to do with Flair leaving in 1991.
I like the way Jim's character never breaks k******. As for Eric: it's taken me decades to get over my hatred for his whole Donny Osmond routine - but I can finally appreciate some of the sense he talks.
@@herbert9241 they all have their own agendas and biases that’s to be expected. I’m not saying Eric is 100% right on everything nowhere near but Corny has an issue with Eric over certain things and he’s been corrected on them many times but chooses to ignore the truth.
@@bobmarshall8527 Bischoff lies though like everyone else breathes.
When I saw the trailer for this show, I thought to myself "Why are Sasha Banks and the Miz on this!?"
Poor Shoemaker always gets thrashed by Brian lol.
I love Jim’s show and I’ve been listening for years, but I continue to disagree with his view on kayfabe in modern times. In 2022, wrestling fans watch the show realizing Undertaker is a normal person portraying a character on television. Wrestling fans realize that Randy Orton goes home and is a family man, not someone who is mentally unstable and could assault anyone at anytime for no reason.
I realize he hates the comparison, but wrestling has gone full steam ahead into “we’re a television production” territory. Shoot interviews now are not rare. They’re just like interviews with television or movie actors.
Nobody would watch an interview of Anthony Hopkins and say “Now he’s just coming out and telling you “Hey I’m not really a serial killer, I’m actually a nice guy playing a character” and shitting all over the acting business!” It’s just understood that these are characters, not the actual person.
It doesn’t ruin my enjoyment of wrestling to know that. That’s why suspension of disbelief exists.
It's funny, when Bryan gave an impromptu rundown of Flair's conduct, i thought to myself, every one of these things is worse than anything Warrior ever did.
Yet, Jim speaks about Flair and many other degenerates with love and trashes Warrior, simply because he didn't get on with or really didn't even know Warrior.
Hypocrisy.
Thats the worst part of it
Warrior was never a mark for wrestling, he treated it like a business opportunity and was also aloof and had issues with anxiety, so he didn't warm up to that many people.
06:30 - "By the way, Ben Brown, if you are listening..." that's my name!! What a mindscrew!
Holy shit 😂😂
Brian Last is making these harder and harder to listen to. . . He just comes off as a jealous, screaming mark. Cornette is the Star. Feed the star and layout
Brian is getting more and more self-righteous
Fuckin a.
Because he doesn't kiss WWE's ass????!!
He's no Conrad
He can be a condescending prick for sure
Let's be honest nobody gives a flying puck what brian last thinks about anything.
Who said they did? What are we being honest about? You making up something to be mad at?
I've loved Flair for decades and now....I honestly think it's sad what he's become. He drank himself to within an inch of his life...and learned nothing. He's 70+ still acting like he's 20. He's become a parody at this point.
Agreed with all you said. But he is still the Greatest professional wrestler of all time. It is funny he can be so good at 1 thing and so bad at everything else.
I so want to compare Ric Flair to one of his obvious heroes in Elvis. Except that Elvis made it clear that even in his late years in Vegas that he hadn't exactly lost command of his fastball and he rocked that town as few have before or since. Maybe Frank Sinatra and his guys. As to Flair he himself seems to have given up.😔🎤🐴💎🎼🎸🎹🤼♂️B.W.
Wrestling used to be real and something worth watching, that all died out at about the turn of the century.
5::43 there weren’t wrestling trainers….24 seconds later at 6:07….and Billy Robinson was one of the main trainers…wow the cohost is about as much of a wrestling historian as the comedians and radio hosts he is trying to call out for commenting an out how Verne Gagne was one of the greatest trainers 🤷♂️
I think things get lost in semantics..some people want to still protect the old image of wrestling.They had trainers,wrestling camps,etc...I believe Flair was a graduate of the AWA camp.
Semantics: there weren't "pay to become a pro wrestler" schools like Ricky Morton and Tom Prichard and others have today. Certain wrestlers/bookers/promoters would bring in guys almost like an apprentice and train them...because it was a very closed society. You would be the son/nephew of a wrestler (Von Erichs, Guereros, Anoais, Jake Roberts, the Windham Brothers, Dustin/Goldust, Slick) or knew/ played football with a wrestler ( Hulk Hogan, Stan Hansen, Stan Lane, Steve Kiern, Ric Flair, etc) or were legit athletes selectively recruited ( Mike Rotunda, Ernie Ladd, Ken Pantera, Iron Sheik, etc)...or worked for a promoter ( ring crew, concessions, programs, merchandise, etc)..Teddy Long, Michael Hayes, Jim Cornette, etc. It was no accident that Hiro Matsuda broke Terry Bollea's ankle...he was "some dude" who went to high school with Mike Graham and the idea was "he's an outsider, if we stretch him, he A: won't come back and B: will tell everyone "it's real, look what they did to me"...many a person who walked in off the street and said " I want to be a wrestler" were similarly stretched, choked, or beaten into not coming back. That was a huge part of keeping kayfabe back in the day.
They didn't have advertised schools like they do now. They didn't have people who's only job now is basically training people to be wrestlers, back then someone training you was likely doing it as a side to being a wrestler or a booker or promoter.
Ole Anderson talks about an audition against Danny Hodge. Who did more Physical damage against "Rock Rogowski" than an Oklahoma twister...🤔🎤🌬🤼♂️B.W.
" I got a gun here if u need help!" - Arn Anderson
"i'v got a gun if you need help" LOL.
Watching older wrestling footage makes me realize how bad WWE is today. Modern WWE is basically like a theater production instead of the perfect combo of storytelling and athleticism that it should be.
You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain.
I don’t like MJF or AEW (or WWE anymore for that matter, as it’s all passed me by), but he is that heel…He lives it…
I didn't even know Mike Golic watches pro wrestling 😳
Where can we find these old wrestling matches JC talks about. Growing up in UK in early 90s there was only wwf tapes and some wcw.
Plenty of early Memphis stuff much involving Jim on this very channel.🤔🎤🎼🎸🤼♂️B.W.
Brian hit it on the head for me when he said there are people that grew up on Flair and just want him to disappear for a while right now.
I liked wrestling a lot better when I didn’t know anything about the personal lives of the people involved or how the business worked.
@@TheJJWA totally agree with you
How can I miss you if you don't go away?
14:28 "Start acting and appearing like a 72 year old man instead of a 72 year old Nature Boy" Wait until Jim sees the video of Ric "training" with Jay Lethal and taking bumps
Hope he does a review