Automated Gas Range Cooking System! ep22 Oxygen Not Included
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2024
- I lay down a ridiculous amount of automation in an attempt to automate cooking advanced recipes on demand. This is an Oxygen Not Included Quality Of Life MK3 / Launch Preview with modded duplicates that have ridiculously high stats just for fun :) This oni gameplay series will cover many of the crazy experiments that we have explored on this channel over the past years.
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*new patch*
Nymphs now emit tiny.. TINY... TIIIINY amount of heat.
*Brothgars Base suddenly turns into lava instantly from a sudden explosion of heat from the solar array room*
You’ve doomed all of the super dupes!
50 DTUs per second.
@@brothgar but brothgar if they produce heat you can power a turbine
MOAR ENERGY
"I can guarantee that there is Logic involved.. I can't guarantee that it makes sense" -Brothgar 2019
This quote is the epitome of mine and my friend's problem solving method.
After all these upgrades it still surprises me how KLEI still hasn't added a "kitchen" and "lab" room
this 100%
and an object filters for conveyors (although at least there's a mod for it)
3 years later and they are here!
I love this vids because no other youtuber does Oxygen Not Included videos that are as entertaining as your's.
Keep up the work. :)
@@brothgar Whats the discord i wanna join? Or is it in the description?
One day one of your automation systems will gain sentience and purge the base of duplicants. Like Skynet
Me: I want play Oxygen Not Included
Brothgar: This is what you need do for automated a cooking station
Me: I'm out of this hell
20:40, As some people have mentioned, there's a mod for it. 'ChainedDeconstruction' will remove all ladders/tubes/firepoles connected and marked for deconstruction at once, just from a single deconstruct.
Looks like we need a data-bus mod - being able to put 16 logic signals multiplexed onto a single logic wire. That would also require a bus-ripper or maybe 2 (in and out).
The word is multiplexor / de-multiplexor (which could easily be a single object with a setting to select desired mode). A problem comes from the space needed - each input needs a unique tile to connect to as well as an additional output tile (inverse for the de-multiplexor).
One could easily reuse the four tile plate and have a 3 input to 1 output, and then daisy-chain for higher data density. This will lead to propagation delays (as the sim steps through each part of the daisy-chain).
One would also need to consider what the UI state of the automation wire should be (ie show as green or red) or if a different wire type should be used (eg. new entity fiber optic automation wire (glass/plastic) that only connects to (de-)multiplexors)
@@dekeonus The nomenclature I learned was from the Mentor Graphics circuit board layout tools - they call it a 'bus-ripper' because you can basically 'rip' one bit at a time out of a bus. Brothgar was talking about potentially sending a HUGE number of signals from the food storage in the meal area over to the 'kitchen' which brought this idea to mind.
So I started the new Ice Map... and its easier than the normal ones because you can run all heaty stuff outside your warmed up base... pretty interesting tho how the play style changed from "anti heat" to "anti cold"
RIP water sieve, you were the best.
This is why I don't play in developer builds. It only takes a change or two to completely break your base. And whenever a new version of the the game is released, I just start a new base.
Looking at the oil biome i found a refined metal (lead) very intresting material traits just thought I'd share
"I can guarantee there's logic involved, but I can't guarantee that it makes sense" truer words never spoken....
Another way to handle the cooking would be to use weight plates. Little bit easier to manage and doesn't cost power. Since you have each range doing one recipe you could just put the weight plate under the door and turn on/off the grill based on weight. Could also use the dupe sensor to open the door once there was activity for a few seconds but there isn't any more. Haven't tried it myself to know how complex it would be but I'm sure it's possible.
Previously my kitchen area had one sweeper arm that could access my two grills and all 4 ingredients (sleet wheat, berries, pincha peppers, meat) that were on weight plates to turn off the farms. Ingredients in chlorine but grills in oxygen separated by a drop of water or diagonal tiles to hold the gas apart. Food was swept up and sorted to their own weight plate chlorine area near my dining area.
With all the new ingredients though I haven't tried setting up a new design yet. I think it's going to be impossible to get it nice looking but we'll see.
One thing people have done to move food closer to dining area is use the conveyor chute and the diagonal trick so that the food is in chlorine but accessible by dupes. Little tricky to get working but it's possible and prevents food from spoiling on the rail. Just be sure to add a weight plate underneath so that you can turn off the conveyor loaders so they don't just dump all your food there. If you are willing to sacrifice a bit of space you can set up a weight plate per food type so you only send the food you need there, but it really only works if you can dedicate the space for it. You don't really have a good place for either idea so not sure how feasible it would be but your dupe delivery method works.
I deeply miss graph time. 😪 I hope the mod will work again soon because I love looking at your stats and comparing them to my base stats.
I find it easier to clock gate the power line to my storage bins in the safety stock system. I do that rather than gate the power to each bin (so only one switch, rather than one switch per station). If you have sweepers in the same area, it means you have more power lines (one gated, only on at test time and the other always powered). But I find that much easier with regards to automation wiring (which looks to be your current limitation).
The other idea I had, but haven't tried yet, is that those doors could be activated on the same 'test clock'. It delays food being accounted for by 1 clock cycle, but again it simplifies the automation wiring, and near the start of the cook area where you had the doors horizontal. That would have just worked without the bridges etc or the weird door orientation. If you size your safety stocks well, the cycle delay would probably work quite well with that concept
"How to build a motherboard to automate food"
NASA wants to know your location...
There is a mod that all deconstructions next to each anther will be done at the same time like vain miner
Hey, is your refrigator running?
Damn must be the Google smart fridge Brothgar
yes a ladder mod like that exists it's called "chained deconstruction"
what i did was puting the big automated fridge below the great hall and allow them to go there when is eat time, and a fridge in the cooking part for them to put the raw food
Brothgar you dont need to disable the grill/oven, you can only disable the loader and then the dupe will make all the ingredient in the receptacle... you have a buffer refrigerator to this extra food
The crash seems to be related to how many things are hooped up to 1 pipe. save before connecting things, and try using gas/liquid bridges to keep the number of things below 8 (not 100% sure if that is the limit, but some people seem to be saying that it is).
I hope when the game is released they make little dupe figures. I’d love to have a little desk dupe
Why don't you just flood the chicken with chlorine or CO2 and make your chef wear and exo suit. I think that will prevent the food from going bad while it's in the loader resepticle
20:30 You can get the mod that connects all deconstruction tasks so you can remove the whole ladder system in one go.
Next episode focus on space stuff. It would be cool to see what you can do with some unlimited space metal
A new type of spaghetti has now been invented... RIP
I love how you always go overboard with the automation. It's awesome!
Sooo... How about shipping ingredients on a schedule?
Let's say you have only one rail that goes from the bottom to the top.
At the bottom, all ingredient loaders are connected to the same rail but each loader only sends at a specific time. e.i. Lettuce at 1pm, raw egg at 2pm, etc.
When the ingredients reach the top, they arrive in one centralised receptacle and are split between the different cooking stations that need them (e.g. lettuce is used by several cooking stations). Once all cooking stations are good, the remaining ingredients are loaded into a lower priority loader and sent back to the bottom.
Would that work?
Yes Brothgar, there is a mod that lets you CHAIN DECONSTRUCT ladders.... it is amazing!
That's sounds like spagetti automation lol :)
Great vid btw
28:53 Try a smooth hatch farm. You wont need to use refineries to refine iron and gold ever again. P.S. no heat production.
nooooooooooo!!! water sieves cant be used to flush heat anymore ): the water comes out at the same tempature now
Same temperature + just a little from the DTU's the building emits.
I'm actually glad they made this change.. I've been using a mod that fixes this for a while now.. cause it just seemed like such an unrealistic glitch that a water filter would delete heat like that... And I didn't want to rely on THAT.. lol
I think your dupes making a mess all the time has to do with their assigned bathrooms. When the dupe has a bathroom assigned to them that they cannot use (in your case because the toilet isn't supplied with water) then they think they don't have access to ANY bathrooms. This is just a theory, however, so you may want to test it out.
Im just gonna point out that the highest tier cooking station uses natrual gas as its fuel, and we all know the joke of natrual gas being farts...
Personally, Id just stick with the grill
Yes
And taste like the dinner I had yesterday
It’s not a joke, that’s just what farts are mainly made of.
2:14 I know this might sound a bit off, but what about putting salt in water... although, if you think about it. It would be like putting slime in a tank of water to produce P.H2O...that just doesn't make sense. Just an idea though.
He tried putting salt in water to see if it converts in the preview video. It didn't work. At least not yet maybe.
There still no way to make salt water outside of a geyser
Suggestion on how to make sure the dupes don't move the food to the fridges manually. Have one of the doors on a day timer to open only during meal time and the other door in exit only (in case any of the Sneaks try to trap themselves in there as they always seem to do)
A way to consume less metal os to make a lot of conveyor bridge, it use mineral!
not any more, (was changed in QoL-Mk3 ). The bridge now uses 400 ore (100 more ore than the equivalent 3 tiles normal rail would consume).
I dont know that... tks
@@rebrait Well now you know where all your metal ore has gone since that patch ;P
Hauahushaiau, i havent play oni since the space upgrade, im waiting the launch to make a new base
spend this time setting up ranges & tear it apart later to add wood-fire ovens
if you could put food in ore droppers, then you could just make one of the storage pools to store all of it in a single block rather than a room of fridges
A little off topic, but I figured out a way to make Wheezewort at least slightly viable. Certainly not as useful as when you could put them on doors, but still not requiring the insane amount of upkeep the current patch requires. If you leave any type of natural type that can be planted, you can use Pips to plant them and they will function normally. It takes time and isn't nearly as good as it used to be, but better than the absolute nothing they are viable for currently. So using this you can setup some "Basic" cooling loops with them that don't require resources. Something similar to what is in the top of your volcano. Beyond that though, they really gutted these things. I mean i agreed they were a little too powerful in some situations, but now they are just darn near worthless.
Ive been having the pipe problem as well. It freezes when you try to interact with a single, disconnected tile of liquid pipe or gas vent. Whether it be destroying it, or trying to reconnect it with another pipe. Just go around it for now, and leave it be.
I may be completely wrong on that, but I had the same scenario myself, and it kept freezing over and over again. I've also had that happen with trying to pipe up Petroleum Generators, Atmo Suit Docks, Gas Filters, and Carbon Skimmers. I'm beginning to think all the piping systems are bugged currently. Super frustrating, because I had to halt my current playthrough of the game.
Dude, Brothgar, you are smart man like that was impressive logic puzzeling as a programmer I know your headacke all too well. the system crashing is super unfortunate, blow off some steam and maybe play a bit more with these ideas in your testing world explaining in more detail the puzle to everyone
(myself included that was some complicated but awesome automation)
Bleach stone?!? Salt water?!? How do you make those? Only Puff makes bleach stone so far as I know and salt seems to not dissolve in water.
Ruby A.P havent tried yet but melted bleach stone crestes some gas. Can you liquifie that gas, get 1ton in one tile and make it a bleach block?
yea it's kind of just as broken as it was before where it required nothing xD.
i have a feeling there are more machines, that or no one is ever going to use this plant because it's so darn needy.
A squeaky puft farm over a chlorine vent would supply unlimited bleach stone. I'm guessing there will be a salt water geyser or a machine to make salt water at some point. I havent really thought of a good use for chlorine vents and hate when I find a useless vent so it's nice they are adding function to it.
@@TheLive100 too much works, puft is way better imo.
@@ashurroth6585 the new salt tree thing-y will consume Cl so there is that.
4 hours and 8000 tonnes of steel later, we have managed to cook an egg. i mean we had to cook it ourselves, but it fell through the floor all by itself.
Could you put the conveyor receptacle below grade and flood it with Cl2/CO2, so that it doesn't matter if ingredients are left there? I don't see a way to do that without adding width, but I think you could add only one tile of width per ingredient with good receptacle/sweeper/range placement.
Does anyone else get annoyed with long commutes. my dupes seem to kick the bucket long before they manage to get transit tubes. since we have the firepole i think it would be cool if there was a fast 'up' method. like an elevator a ski lift style set up. just a thought.
14:26
You have to disable/deconstruct the toilets to let the dupes know they don't work. It's not like a bed or mess table where, if you have anough, they will go to the next available one once their's is deconstructed/disabled.
if you think about it, if klei really wanted their game to be challenging they could simply make an update where duplicants needs to drink water or they'll die from deshydratation. and since most pepole have really hot or germy water for their oxygen and plants, it could be game changing.
Love your videos Brothgar.
Put the grills and stuff in carbondioxite, use Exosuits and a waterlock to keep the food from spoiling.
EDIT:
or to deal with the left over ingredients don't disable the machines, only disable the shipping and disallow the dupes from entering the raw food storage. that way they will just cook away whatever ingredients are delivered
Or just dont produce humongous amount of edibles...
All you need to free your poor cooks:
- 2 cycles worth of food in a fridge hooked up with a not-gate to your cooking buildings (grills & mushers).
- some dirt and water.
Did you know that now you can make atmo suits from iron and aluminum?
Do they have sheetrock and paint to help Decorations?
Salt water geyser is how I regenerate my salt water supply.
Cant you pump hydrogen into the conveyor loader area so you dont have to worry about food spoiling?
do u think u can make new types of video that show early-mid- late game build on the cool system u have
Maybe saltwater comes from adding salt to water? Try pouring water on a pile of salt or vice versa.
No longer able to flush heat? Well, time to throw on some thick clothing and huddle around the Anti-Entropy Thermo Nullifier with all the Wheezeworts being fed by Drecko poop!
so much for fixing and having a release soon. XD changed from 28th of june to... after the 7th of july.
a review of the super duoes compared to the new ones would be nice :)
They're really trying to make it hard to cool your base. Klei! What are we supposed to do!? You keep getting rid of our alternatives!
I dont understand why the devs wont allow "unlimited food". I cant think of any way to automate every food, besides wheat and meat. I mean like, why the ydont need chlorene instead of bleach stone (or they make a way to produce bleach stone out of chlorene maybe) - Also it doesnt make sense, plants wont remove water or earth, they just convert it.
Also a bug in the fridge is that it will only output something if you DONT limit the food, like you need to let it at 100KG, if you set it to 50KG it will never output something (i dont know why such basic things are so broken?!?)
I hope you can find a way to atumate it.
Squeaky pufts turn chlorine into bleach stone.
well, you can use a puft to make bleach stone (that chlorine variant)
because klei's a dick. always giving you hope to make sustainable base before nerfing evrything into a complete useless state... just cruel. i know that oxygen not included is a survival game, but it doesen't mean that it needs to be absolutemy hardcore like they seem to want.... most pepole just play oni to pee on volcanoes and to make too complicated systems for simple stuff.
@@brothgar That doesn't make sense. They won't even drink? But eat? And they produce more poluted water then the toilet flush uses?
Why does plants not take water to grow and take co2? Oo
*Brothgar Noises*
Has anyone else noticed super meep’s idle pose?
the pipe-bug is old... happens also on older versions.
ONE gas range fully operated can supply like 50 dupes.
but what about automation AND variety. super dupes deserve the best
As cool as this is, I can't help but feel it's vastly overcomplicated. I'd just hook up fridges to cooking appliances that cook the specific food it stores.
I just noticed that the omelettes on conveyors are described as Genetic Ooze. I mean, yes, but that sounds disgusting.
Why don't autocook the omelettes?
It's a convection gas oven. 11:26
Yes, however they shouldn't be consuming twice as much electricity as a fridge.
@@dekeonusNever said the power value was balanced, just stating why it used gas and electricity
ew.. wtf are the devs thinking?! why the heck would waterweed require bleach stone, AND salt water irrigation (in addition to needing to sit in water).. so many requirements.. and what a mess carrying bleachstone around makes.. And frankly, it isn't common enough and is too important for other uses.. Requiring it as a farm resource for this makes farming not worth doing at all, you'd run out too fast. They seriously need to balance things when it comes to these limited resources. :/
This is why I'm not trying the beta update.. I'm fine with waiting until they work out some of this weirdness.. I just hope they don't rush it out before they deal with balance.. IMO this update needs at least another month worth of work before it's ready for launch. Otherwise I'll need to use mods to get rid of annoying requirements like that..
ummmmmm 500g of bleach stone a cycle wtf
at 20:40 the mode you're looking for is "ChainedDeconstruction" no spaces
Bleach stone is just the worst, luckily pips are awesome
Make more dupes super dupes.
Mame game please?
Brothgar I'm sorry but you're gonna have to stop putting out videos. The devs are clearly just using your videos to figure out what to remove, and they're gonna hit the shinebugs next if you keep showing them
i was so happy, that i haven't implemented any "toilet-flush"-System in my new base yet..but i found a Vulcan, so 1:1 Petroleum...
hmm Klei actually is trying to make it "harder"...
hmm but still there are TH-camrs witch never made it to "Space" yet...
hmm i am talking someone being "payed" to play....p
Edit; and within "Klei"-Logic, a "Solar Panel" DOES NOT produce ANY HEAT! Whatsoever, in reality 80% will be "heat", only about 20% will be"Energie"...Peace out.
in reality it's more or less 25-30% nowdays. in reality those shine bugs should be a solar flare of heat. in reality you don't need to add 20kg of dirt every day to your plants, in reality you don't need 50kg or 13 gallons of water to water a plant each and every day.
ONI is hanging onto reality by just a single strand of atoms and that's about it.
Originally they did make heat, but because everyone put them in space they just kept breaking so very few people used them, so they decided to remove the heat produced so people would use them more. Pretty decent reasoning tbh
@@rocksfire4390 Tbf, plants don't tend to grow that fast either ;p
@@lilithkitsune7152
true true, although some plants do grow pretty quick! there is a type of bamboo that can grow about 35 inches a day. which is mind blowing, granted it's hallow but still pretty cool to know.
not saying to go eat bamboo....but there is a type of kelp that can grow around 18 inches a day. which again is just mind blowing how it hasn't taken over the world yet, must be some hungry things lurking nearby xD.
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First!! 👍💪
Hello!!! To say it on you face 🤔 " can't coz you can't see me" but please get to the space level and get to the main info which i really want to know but as far as i can see, don't want to switch channel but it really is getting boring, ingore if u din't give a fk, bye tc
@@brothgar waiting 😔