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It's fun to see someone else did the exact same thing I did to mine! Well, I shimmed out the existing binder bolts to the correct length and for whatever reason, mine doesn't squeak. I also left the sliders dry-I guess we'll see how that pans out, right? FWIW, I initially discovered the binder bolt 'shortness' while fixing my S18… they did the same thing then so at least they're consistent. Nice work, I do enjoy your stuff!
So funny about the S18. Amazing. The camera picks up the squeaks but I can't really hear it while riding. Lets hope both our wheels continue to stay friction free over time 🙂
I strongly recommend that owners take apart their EUCs, scooters and skateboards. You’ll find a lot of areas for improvement. I did the same for my Sherman max the other day, I improved nothing. It was perfect. :). Thanks for the video!
Bought the parts, just had a spare weekend to fit and test. Really easy, great advice and it is now super smooth. Get this upgrade first, of anything you do! Thanks!
You have so many wonderfull contributions to the EUC community Marty, greatly appreciated. I love your videos. Kingsong kept us waiti g for over a year and the end result was terrible. Kingsong is a laff.
@@ElectricUnicycles Agree. The stator slip cockup was beyond their control, but they could have communicated and acted on the problem better/sooner. Metal shavings on the motherboard though 😕
@@ElectricUnicycles thx mate I just ordered the bolts from Aliexpress, and Sliders from "Myewheel" to me suspension wheel + lifting weights is the future since my spine is weak..... Im a spineless electric creep really.
U you even own a s22 ... btw I love the stiff suspensionm as the master is garbage for a 6'4 240lbs guy like me.... I ride 75% trails jumps and the s22 is great ... I didnt buy this wheel for crusing on streeets *i do that to get to trails etc*** but if u are a bigger guy then this wheel is even better
I just replaced mine today. Hence why back again. The bottom one was cracked off at the top. Both screws were extremely loose. Glad I ordered when I first saw the video.
Helped a local friend get custom 3D cast plastic pieces and wow was I astonished at the ride now. I can only describe it as plush. Did some fiddling and got better sized bearing rings made of delrin, but I'm certain you do not need bearings, just need a more suitable slider material with a low coefficient of friction. UHMW, delrin, PTFE, nylon, etc. We have another local buying the CNC sliders so I'm excited to try both next to eachother.
I may eventually go the CNC route but first I want to see what their lifespan is. I'm sure that the bearings provide a better ride but the solution needs to last for thousands of miles/kilometers.
@@ElectricUnicycles Glad you're waiting until later to install the CNC Rails. My intuition is telling me that I'd like to see the Slider mounts have a spring loaded rocker arm on a pivot between each of the 8 roller pairs. This would reduce unwanted slop in the system, which will should make riding more stable and less prone to vibrations. But that may be too complicated, yet still insufficient. I'll let the future data will decide. Thanks for retaining the original Slider setup, I'm looking forward to your 1000 mile review. I've got a feeling that gen1 and gen2 S22 models will be an awesome value in a couple years.
Unfortunately for the S22, Kingsong didn't bother installing "contact bearings" at the shock's red arm pivot link locations in which it causes massive friction/binding, yes not free pivoting motion. Marty did the right thing to provide some free pivoting movement by installing the correct length or slightly longer (what is available) and adding nylon washers at the heads to make up for the slack. Now if this wheel was built right it would take a slightly smaller linkage bolt lengths and torque the linkage bolts to spec., we wouldn't want to smash the contact bearings and seize them, it'll defeat the purpose of having bearings. Kingsong could of also used sleeve bearings or flange sleeves.
Thanks a ton for the detailed video. Every 15 miles the suspension would start to seize; then I’d flush the channels with electronic contact cleaner from above; then snake some of the lubricant of the day; ride 15 miles; repeat. I ride from Boston North shore to south shore (2hrs) often and I’d have to stop in Dorchester to spray it out. The S-22 is truly an intolerable ride after 15 miles out-of-the-box. 2 nights ago my S-22 cut out while I was cruising at 35mph on flat road. Mine’s a new unit with the stator issue corrected so this is a NEW Issue. I wonder if debris in the control board housing is actually the culprit. (I’m ok btw-full armor and it was 2am so no cars out to run me over) RevRides is tearing it apart right now to diagnose, and hopefully rule out a widespread issue. Thanks again for the video.
Glad you are OK. Yeah, the S22 has been a disappointment in many ways. Still a really nice wheel if you have one that works. I've since added 3D sliders and will eventually move to CNC sliders.
Hi Marty, this was so interesting and I (thankfully) don't even own a S22. I say thankfully because there's no way I would want to go through all this on a new wheel, the rider shouldn't have to. You really put on a clinic for KingSong. On a positive note maybe KS will learn something from your video when they are upgrading this wheel.
@@davewood1982 I have v2 Master and v2 T4. Both ride beautifully and are very easy to work on if you have to. Marty mentioned how smooth the Master suspension is, and it feels like you're riding on a cloud.
"Dave" tried the dry lube but it immediately attracted dirt from trail riding. The real problem is KingSong's decision to use an open channel design that allows dirt easy entry.
thanks for the vid, Marty. i just ordered my hardware kit. hopefully it comes in at about the same time my cnc'd sliders come in, which i pre ordered almost a month ago. if it works well, i'll probably order more bolts, since it's definitely going to wear through the bolts over time, since there no bearing connection. A horrible of an execution on Kingsongs part of what i think is a better design than going with a stanchion tube based design.
White lightning dry chain lube doesn't attract dirt like Greece or oil does and flakes off as you use it might be just the thing for your squeaks. I've been using it on bicycles for over a decade and wouldn't use anything else and much much cleaner . thanks for the video .
The shock pivot bolt information you give is wrong. The width of the black plastic spacers + the shock need to be shorter than the aluminum tube that goes through the shock. Just sand one of those plastic spacers to have a small play and you are done. The aluminum tube needs to spin inside the shock. If it is toi right, you might have to sand down the bushing in the shock
@@ElectricUnicycles no, this is not how such a suspension system is designed. With your method, over time, you will develop play and ovalise the holes in the suspension arm. The bushing in the shock is some sort of delrin made to slide on the aluminum tube.
@@alexrcdude I wish we could be at a whiteboard because I truly don't understand your description. It's probably just me. But if your commentary helps others who are reading this, great 👍
@@alexrcdude Also, you understand that factory bolts that I replaced are short such that they are only partially supported in the suspension arm? Shortening the spacers as you suggest would do nothing.
OK, I now understand what you are saying. I guess the proper solution would be to size the bolts to be ~1/2mm short AND reduce the length of one of plastic spacers. The stock bolts were 5 to 8mm too short. Thanks.
I can't decide if kingsong is trying really hard to be like begode, or begode is trying really hard to be like kingsong.. seems they both just met in the middle.
Thanks Marty for the video. Now I know how to remove the wheel more efficiently. I tried to remove the whole suspension to take the wheel out to put in the 3D printed sliders like the ones I gave to Roger. Let me know Marty if you want to try the 3D Printed sliders. I'll print a set for free as a token of appreciation for letting as go to your awesome tour for free. Try Rogers first see if you like it. The only complain he have so far is that it is too soft.
Thanks for the offer. I'm waiting to try Roger's first. My only concern is longevity - I don't want to be taking the S22 apart every 500-miles :-) I'll let you know! I love a soft ride
@@ElectricUnicycles He have one ready for you. I gave him 2 sets but he said he's gonna install CNC on the other one so he got one extra set for you if you want it.
@@ElectricUnicycles Yeah, INSTALL that's all you need to do. You don't have to do any sanding I trimmed the original stl file via Fusion 360 software so that it fits exactly. Enjoy it while you wait for the free CNC sample. I think they will send you one if they send one to Roger.
Has anyone tried printing those channel slider pieces in nylon? Should help eliminate a bit more friction, and more than likely the squeak. I haven’t yet pulled mine apart to see what’s in there first hand
Why Nylon and not Delrin or HDPE? My concern is that if the wear surface of the slider sleeve inserts is too hard that the aluminum battery casing channel will spald, which then might require a channel liner to extend service. So, too soft may be best and these can just be considered yearly maintenance. It just might be easier for Kingsong to redesign the battery case to house the new FastAce shock, and then offer a discount to everyone who wants to upgrade. Sunk Cost fallacies can kill market share so I'm glad to see the resolve of early adopters as well as KingSong, which means that either way there will be a loyal following for years to come.
@@grb1969 nylon is just usually more readily available.. and no sense using anything more “exotic” until it’s been tested.. moisture might be a concern though
So you obviously know you don't have to remove the 4 screws for the cover of the system board to take the motor out although it is good you did based on what you found. Maybe I need to pop mine off.
Well done Marty. I purchased the hardware immediately. Thank you! I was curious, have you made a video with lowering the wheel? I feel like if it was an inch or 2 lower I could ride it better. My 18xl was perfect.
I have not although it is extremely easy to do. I'm sure that I've seen other people discuss/show the process. Should be able to find it with Google. Good luck.
I thought so. Thank you. Looks to me like the petals can be dropped 3/4" down and the 3 allen screws on each side in the rear can slide down to the lowest setting of pre machined screw holes. Did you do this?
@@mufnman2003 I did not do this. For trail riding (where I prefer to use the S22) I want pedal clearance. Also, be aware that lowering or raising the pedals does apparently change how the suspension feels. Fortunately it's a simple change to make and reverse if needed.
Guess this is why we don’t see KS making aeroplanes, lol, imagine the engineering team making the decision to use incorrect sized and type of fixings - they sure came up short in this respect (and in relation to the metal shavings, almost literally!). Gotta wonder whether there have indeed been blown mobo’s caused in this way? 😳
I'm one of the unlucky ones with a knock on the motor and I am waiting of a replacement through my dealer but in the meantime I am doing this, along with a friend who's wheel is almost locked solid! We couldn't figure out why until you enlightened us to the linkage problem so big thanks from the NE UK crowd Marty. One thing I am also considering is changing my stock spring to a 500LB one and noticed you took yours down to 750 do you think this as helped with smoothing out the ride any? I'm a sub 150LB rider all up. Did you have a link to the spring you bought or are they all a common size? thanks in advance and keep up the good work.
The stock S22 spring is 750-lbs. I installed a 550-lb spring (see link in the Description on that video for where to buy it) which I think helped "a little", but don't expect miracles :-)
Saw this on telegram and was just about to order some bolts for my yet to come s22! Very timely tutorial. Just wondering, is it ok to use Allen keys as transfer punch? For S18 I always just use the Allen key on the other side to twist the bolt out, would that damage the bolt?
The amount of modifications and work that people have to do with this wheel in order to make it good is kinda crazy to see. I don’t understand why anybody would even want to bother buying this wheel if they hear about some of the things that people go through with it.
for me, wheels bring out that need to modify, tune, and upgrade. For some, its that they GET to do some of these things, adds a level of ownership and personality that is hard to come by otherwise. Guys have been doing these things with cars and trucks for generations :) But i do see your point, if all you want is a wheel you can just jump on and have it be perfect.
@@thalakos627 I understand what your saying. Being able to modify and upgrade stuff on your own definitely adds a new layer of ownership if your into that stuff. My gripe with the S22 is that it seems like all these upgrades and modifications that people are doing are NEEDED if you want the wheel to be any good. Pretty much every time the S22 is mentioned in a video or online forum I see somebody complaining about how bad the stock configuration is, and how modifications like these are highly recommended. If I’m spending $3k+ on a wheel then I feel like it should atleast be halfway decent out of the box, and not require a bunch of maintenance to make it good.
When I click on the click it goes to the page with the bolts. You have to buy each bolt separately and the washers. 3 items. They will ship it to you in a single package (kit)
It will never work with stock sliders. No matter what you do. It will take a few rides to stop working again With cnc sliders it will be the same as your master, except with s22 you can jump as well
Can you provide real-world facts to back up your statement? If after another 500-miles I see no degradation than this is a long-term solution. If not then you are correct. But I'll go with the facts. I agree the CNC sliders may be better but we don't know how long they will last either, do we 🙂
@@ElectricUnicycles okay than. I tried everything with stock sliders. Cleaning, lots of different oils, removing rubber parts etc. one rain or 60km through muddy autumn forest and it doesn’t work again. That screeching sound was making me insane as well. You are lucky leaving with no helllots of wet mud around so it takes more time for your wheel to get dirty again 😅 After installing cnc sliders I forgot about the maintenance. No sounds, softer than v11 (I’m unable to ride with fast rebound cuz it’s a trampoline and I don’t feel the road at all). 2000km on the clock of muddy wet Ukrainian fall. No issues whatsoever stock 750lbs spring, 65kg rider btw
@@dtsubera I may eventually go with the CNC sliders but want to see how long they last. 2000km is encouraging. With that open channel design that KingSong used I'm surprised that the bearings still don't get clogged with dirt eventually. Did you ever try NO oils (completely dry)? Did it still get clogged up? Thanks for your constructive input.
Those squeaky though 😬 what lube would they put on the cnc sliders? I know for bike they put dry lube for warm weather and some other one for winter season, and removing all that lube from the s22 isnt nearly as easy as just removing it from the bike chain
"Dave" tried the dry lube but it immediately attracted dirt from trail riding. The real problem is KingSong's decision to use an open channel design that allows dirt easy entry.
What makes you think the geometry will lead to a stiffer ride? I'm going to be getting an airshock and cnc sliders and hopefully that'll transform the wheel.
I have yet to ride an S22 that feels as soft as my upgraded Master. But I'll soon try a S22 with the CNC sliders and then I'll know. Generally, airshock's provide a stiffer ride than coil so you might not want to do that, unless you want a firmer ride.
@@ElectricUnicycles hearing From a couple different people as well as my own experience trying two s22s with cnc sliders the ride was just too bouncy. That may be because the damper on the stock shock sucks i don't know. I guess we'll see with the airshock, I enjoyed the ride on the T4 and the V11 which both have airshocks and a slider system with very little friction. I don't see why the S22 wouldn't beat them both with the cnc sliders plus a nice airshock. I hope the cnc's hold up too. Apparently tpu 3d sliders including tpu wheels last pretty well so that could be worth trying.
You're still barely getting any suspension movement from what I am seeing. The slide design might be okay but it looks to me like the material being used is a bad material for the job. Overall I suspect that Kingsong really cheap'd out on the design of this wheel, what a shame. I feel bad for the people who bought it. And I say that as someone who has and mostly enjoys a KS18XL (only negative on the 18XL is the handle/spin kill switch).
@@ElectricUnicycles I'm curious, what do you think the material is that the black plastic rail glide is? I keep wondering if the white Nylon (Polypropylene?) type of material might be a much better choice for that. Of course it would be sacrificial material but it would at least be a suitable component as that stuff is inherently slick-ish and very durable.
@@kmg501 I have no idea, but it's very hard and feels generic (no inherent smooth properties). I think the ideal material would be UHMW. Getting it milled to the precise shape would be the challenge.
@@ElectricUnicycles Ahh, then it definitely sounds like they used the wrong material. At least that means there is a vector for a easy(?) fix if someone would start producing a replacement part made out of a suitable material. I looked up UHMW, it appears to have very similar to Polypropylene properties. In that case I imagine the deciding factor is cost. I sure wish we could see a side by side test here.
Wow, just another reason not to trust kingsong anymore, this is terrible...s22 could had the same rod and bushing of the s18, why why why kingsong went this route I am clueless... Yes future buyers DO NOT BUY S22!!!
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It's fun to see someone else did the exact same thing I did to mine! Well, I shimmed out the existing binder bolts to the correct length and for whatever reason, mine doesn't squeak. I also left the sliders dry-I guess we'll see how that pans out, right? FWIW, I initially discovered the binder bolt 'shortness' while fixing my S18… they did the same thing then so at least they're consistent. Nice work, I do enjoy your stuff!
So funny about the S18. Amazing. The camera picks up the squeaks but I can't really hear it while riding. Lets hope both our wheels continue to stay friction free over time 🙂
I really like your 'step by step' video style! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I strongly recommend that owners take apart their EUCs, scooters and skateboards. You’ll find a lot of areas for improvement. I did the same for my Sherman max the other day, I improved nothing. It was perfect. :). Thanks for the video!
haha, well played.
@@greenwave819 I think Hsaing in NYC is still smiling from his ride last week. 😁
This plus some slider upgrades (/re-designs!) - Most excellent good Sir!
Lame that they didn't use the correct size bolts... I ordered new ones for mine. Thank you Marty
Great tips, parts ordered and I have received the kingsong slider kit to install too. Looking forward to the change.
Hope you get a good slider kit. Still love the S22.
Bought the parts, just had a spare weekend to fit and test. Really easy, great advice and it is now super smooth. Get this upgrade first, of anything you do! Thanks!
would love to see what you did to upgrade the masters suspension - great video!
Thanks. I'm editing the Master suspension video right now 🙂
You have so many wonderfull contributions to the EUC community Marty, greatly appreciated. I love your videos.
Kingsong kept us waiti g for over a year and the end result was terrible. Kingsong is a laff.
Hej Finn. 'Ronald' her :D
They certainly made a lot of missteps with the S22. Seems to be salvageable with time and a bit of money :-)
@@ElectricUnicycles Agree. The stator slip cockup was beyond their control, but they could have communicated and acted on the problem better/sooner. Metal shavings on the motherboard though 😕
@@JonahHax OMG "THE "Ronald?? Im glad you are no longer president.
@@ElectricUnicycles thx mate I just ordered the bolts from Aliexpress, and Sliders from "Myewheel" to me suspension wheel + lifting weights is the future since my spine is weak..... Im a spineless electric creep really.
very detailed.
always the case after market mods making euc's awesome.
It really is a disappointment that Kingsong did such a shoddy job with the S22.
Greed
@@Scifi_Apei mean if they are outputing subpart products and we are buying. Why would they change their practices. It's our failure as well
terrible launch but now the only thing bad about it is the sliders
U you even own a s22 ... btw I love the stiff suspensionm as the master is garbage for a 6'4 240lbs guy like me.... I ride 75% trails jumps and the s22 is great ... I didnt buy this wheel for crusing on streeets *i do that to get to trails etc*** but if u are a bigger guy then this wheel is even better
I have an S22 and mine has been great. I'm 6'4" 235lbs and after the ewheels slider mod, the wheel is almost perfect.
I just replaced mine today. Hence why back again. The bottom one was cracked off at the top. Both screws were extremely loose. Glad I ordered when I first saw the video.
Helped a local friend get custom 3D cast plastic pieces and wow was I astonished at the ride now. I can only describe it as plush. Did some fiddling and got better sized bearing rings made of delrin, but I'm certain you do not need bearings, just need a more suitable slider material with a low coefficient of friction. UHMW, delrin, PTFE, nylon, etc. We have another local buying the CNC sliders so I'm excited to try both next to eachother.
I may eventually go the CNC route but first I want to see what their lifespan is. I'm sure that the bearings provide a better ride but the solution needs to last for thousands of miles/kilometers.
@@ElectricUnicycles Glad you're waiting until later to install the CNC Rails. My intuition is telling me that I'd like to see the Slider mounts have a spring loaded rocker arm on a pivot between each of the 8 roller pairs. This would reduce unwanted slop in the system, which will should make riding more stable and less prone to vibrations. But that may be too complicated, yet still insufficient. I'll let the future data will decide. Thanks for retaining the original Slider setup, I'm looking forward to your 1000 mile review. I've got a feeling that gen1 and gen2 S22 models will be an awesome value in a couple years.
No friction in the system.... Yeah you right, that what she said 😎🤟
Unfortunately for the S22, Kingsong didn't bother installing "contact bearings" at the shock's red arm pivot link locations in which it causes massive friction/binding, yes not free pivoting motion. Marty did the right thing to provide some free pivoting movement by installing the correct length or slightly longer (what is available) and adding nylon washers at the heads to make up for the slack. Now if this wheel was built right it would take a slightly smaller linkage bolt lengths and torque the linkage bolts to spec., we wouldn't want to smash the contact bearings and seize them, it'll defeat the purpose of having bearings. Kingsong could of also used sleeve bearings or flange sleeves.
The Devil is in the details
Nice fix
Awesome video and work guys!! Nicely done! 👏👏👏👏👏
Thanks a ton for the detailed video. Every 15 miles the suspension would start to seize; then I’d flush the channels with electronic contact cleaner from above; then snake some of the lubricant of the day; ride 15 miles; repeat. I ride from Boston North shore to south shore (2hrs) often and I’d have to stop in Dorchester to spray it out. The S-22 is truly an intolerable ride after 15 miles out-of-the-box.
2 nights ago my S-22 cut out while I was cruising at 35mph on flat road. Mine’s a new unit with the stator issue corrected so this is a NEW Issue. I wonder if debris in the control board housing is actually the culprit. (I’m ok btw-full armor and it was 2am so no cars out to run me over)
RevRides is tearing it apart right now to diagnose, and hopefully rule out a widespread issue.
Thanks again for the video.
Glad you are OK. Yeah, the S22 has been a disappointment in many ways. Still a really nice wheel if you have one that works. I've since added 3D sliders and will eventually move to CNC sliders.
Hi Marty, this was so interesting and I (thankfully) don't even own a S22. I say thankfully because there's no way I would want to go through all this on a new wheel, the rider shouldn't have to. You really put on a clinic for KingSong. On a positive note maybe KS will learn something from your video when they are upgrading this wheel.
Me too, i was on the brink of buying either an S22 or Master only last month but thankfully decided to stick with my og sherman for the time being
@@davewood1982 I have v2 Master and v2 T4. Both ride beautifully and are very easy to work on if you have to. Marty mentioned how smooth the Master suspension is, and it feels like you're riding on a cloud.
Thanks Mike. KingSong doesn't know what we're doing in the west :-)
@@ElectricUnicycles aber kingsong sollte sich bemühen und davon dazu lernen, was die Fahrer besser machen.
Sonst könnte bald das aus stehen für euc kingsong, wär schläft verliert den Anschluss am Markt
I would add graphite as a dry lubricant in the slider. Great video.
"Dave" tried the dry lube but it immediately attracted dirt from trail riding. The real problem is KingSong's decision to use an open channel design that allows dirt easy entry.
great video - I learned a lot . make more videos please .
thanks for the vid, Marty. i just ordered my hardware kit. hopefully it comes in at about the same time my cnc'd sliders come in, which i pre ordered almost a month ago. if it works well, i'll probably order more bolts, since it's definitely going to wear through the bolts over time, since there no bearing connection.
A horrible of an execution on Kingsongs part of what i think is a better design than going with a stanchion tube based design.
Good luck.
White lightning dry chain lube doesn't attract dirt like Greece or oil does and flakes off as you use it might be just the thing for your squeaks. I've been using it on bicycles for over a decade and wouldn't use anything else and much much cleaner . thanks for the video .
Dave tried dry lube and it attracted all kinds of dirt.
great vid!
The shock pivot bolt information you give is wrong. The width of the black plastic spacers + the shock need to be shorter than the aluminum tube that goes through the shock. Just sand one of those plastic spacers to have a small play and you are done. The aluminum tube needs to spin inside the shock. If it is toi right, you might have to sand down the bushing in the shock
I disagree. The solution is to use the proper length bolt.
@@ElectricUnicycles no, this is not how such a suspension system is designed. With your method, over time, you will develop play and ovalise the holes in the suspension arm. The bushing in the shock is some sort of delrin made to slide on the aluminum tube.
@@alexrcdude I wish we could be at a whiteboard because I truly don't understand your description. It's probably just me. But if your commentary helps others who are reading this, great 👍
@@alexrcdude Also, you understand that factory bolts that I replaced are short such that they are only partially supported in the suspension arm? Shortening the spacers as you suggest would do nothing.
OK, I now understand what you are saying. I guess the proper solution would be to size the bolts to be ~1/2mm short AND reduce the length of one of plastic spacers. The stock bolts were 5 to 8mm too short. Thanks.
Thanks , what pads do you run I like them. Bolt thing makes sense. I will be fixing it. Thanks again.
I'm currently using some generic 3D printed pads
I can't decide if kingsong is trying really hard to be like begode, or begode is trying really hard to be like kingsong.. seems they both just met in the middle.
lol
Thanks Marty for the video. Now I know how to remove the wheel more efficiently. I tried to remove the whole suspension to take the wheel out to put in the 3D printed sliders like the ones I gave to Roger. Let me know Marty if you want to try the 3D Printed sliders. I'll print a set for free as a token of appreciation for letting as go to your awesome tour for free. Try Rogers first see if you like it. The only complain he have so far is that it is too soft.
Thanks for the offer. I'm waiting to try Roger's first. My only concern is longevity - I don't want to be taking the S22 apart every 500-miles :-) I'll let you know!
I love a soft ride
@@ElectricUnicycles He have one ready for you. I gave him 2 sets but he said he's gonna install CNC on the other one so he got one extra set for you if you want it.
@@MV-ld4wl Thank you! I'll ask Roger who you are 🙂
@@MV-ld4wl I just talked to Roger. Now I know who you are Marwin 🙂 Thanks so much. I'm going to pick them up and install 👍
@@ElectricUnicycles Yeah, INSTALL that's all you need to do. You don't have to do any sanding I trimmed the original stl file via Fusion 360 software so that it fits exactly. Enjoy it while you wait for the free CNC sample. I think they will send you one if they send one to Roger.
I wonder how much of a difference the linkage actually makes compared to the sliders?
Has anyone tried printing those channel slider pieces in nylon? Should help eliminate a bit more friction, and more than likely the squeak. I haven’t yet pulled mine apart to see what’s in there first hand
Good idea. They fit precisely so it make take work to get them sized correctly.
Why Nylon and not Delrin or HDPE? My concern is that if the wear surface of the slider sleeve inserts is too hard that the aluminum battery casing channel will spald, which then might require a channel liner to extend service. So, too soft may be best and these can just be considered yearly maintenance.
It just might be easier for Kingsong to redesign the battery case to house the new FastAce shock, and then offer a discount to everyone who wants to upgrade. Sunk Cost fallacies can kill market share so I'm glad to see the resolve of early adopters as well as KingSong, which means that either way there will be a loyal following for years to come.
@@grb1969 nylon is just usually more readily available.. and no sense using anything more “exotic” until it’s been tested.. moisture might be a concern though
So you obviously know you don't have to remove the 4 screws for the cover of the system board to take the motor out although it is good you did based on what you found. Maybe I need to pop mine off.
Yeah, I only did it because Dave told me what he found in his.
was this shock pins addressed in the pro model?
Well done Marty. I purchased the hardware immediately. Thank you! I was curious, have you made a video with lowering the wheel? I feel like if it was an inch or 2 lower I could ride it better. My 18xl was perfect.
I have not although it is extremely easy to do. I'm sure that I've seen other people discuss/show the process. Should be able to find it with Google. Good luck.
I thought so. Thank you. Looks to me like the petals can be dropped 3/4" down and the 3 allen screws on each side in the rear can slide down to the lowest setting of pre machined screw holes. Did you do this?
@@mufnman2003 I did not do this. For trail riding (where I prefer to use the S22) I want pedal clearance. Also, be aware that lowering or raising the pedals does apparently change how the suspension feels. Fortunately it's a simple change to make and reverse if needed.
True. Thank you. I don't trail ride yet but I feel like in the streets it will be easier to get on and off like this.
Guess this is why we don’t see KS making aeroplanes, lol, imagine the engineering team making the decision to use incorrect sized and type of fixings - they sure came up short in this respect (and in relation to the metal shavings, almost literally!). Gotta wonder whether there have indeed been blown mobo’s caused in this way? 😳
I'm one of the unlucky ones with a knock on the motor and I am waiting of a replacement through my dealer but in the meantime I am doing this, along with a friend who's wheel is almost locked solid! We couldn't figure out why until you enlightened us to the linkage problem so big thanks from the NE UK crowd Marty.
One thing I am also considering is changing my stock spring to a 500LB one and noticed you took yours down to 750 do you think this as helped with smoothing out the ride any? I'm a sub 150LB rider all up. Did you have a link to the spring you bought or are they all a common size? thanks in advance and keep up the good work.
The stock S22 spring is 750-lbs. I installed a 550-lb spring (see link in the Description on that video for where to buy it) which I think helped "a little", but don't expect miracles :-)
Great video! I'm going to make a bold statement and say your spirit animal is the Koala Bear.
Is there a link to where to get all these parts?
Did you read the Description???
Saw this on telegram and was just about to order some bolts for my yet to come s22! Very timely tutorial. Just wondering, is it ok to use Allen keys as transfer punch? For S18 I always just use the Allen key on the other side to twist the bolt out, would that damage the bolt?
Sure, an Allen key would work. Even a long nail :-)
Did KingSong fix this issue in the S22 Pro?
Somewhat
Apparently cnc sliders on a 1 to 10 are a 10 and 3d ones are a 7 a friend says.
First I need to hear that the CNC sliders last.
3d ones depends on the skill of the person :)
Thx for the great video Marty! What do you have your suspension geometry at (linkage holes)?
The default position
@@ElectricUnicycles is that the 3rd hole going up from the bottom? Thx!
I believe so. I prefer more pedal clearance so I didn't want to change it.
The amount of modifications and work that people have to do with this wheel in order to make it good is kinda crazy to see. I don’t understand why anybody would even want to bother buying this wheel if they hear about some of the things that people go through with it.
for me, wheels bring out that need to modify, tune, and upgrade. For some, its that they GET to do some of these things, adds a level of ownership and personality that is hard to come by otherwise. Guys have been doing these things with cars and trucks for generations :) But i do see your point, if all you want is a wheel you can just jump on and have it be perfect.
@@thalakos627 I understand what your saying. Being able to modify and upgrade stuff on your own definitely adds a new layer of ownership if your into that stuff.
My gripe with the S22 is that it seems like all these upgrades and modifications that people are doing are NEEDED if you want the wheel to be any good. Pretty much every time the S22 is mentioned in a video or online forum I see somebody complaining about how bad the stock configuration is, and how modifications like these are highly recommended. If I’m spending $3k+ on a wheel then I feel like it should atleast be halfway decent out of the box, and not require a bunch of maintenance to make it good.
I looked hard on 11/18/2022 for your recommended site and could not find the 225183 kit for sale. Can you help?
When I click on the click it goes to the page with the bolts. You have to buy each bolt separately and the washers. 3 items. They will ship it to you in a single package (kit)
It will never work with stock sliders. No matter what you do. It will take a few rides to stop working again
With cnc sliders it will be the same as your master, except with s22 you can jump as well
Can you provide real-world facts to back up your statement? If after another 500-miles I see no degradation than this is a long-term solution. If not then you are correct. But I'll go with the facts. I agree the CNC sliders may be better but we don't know how long they will last either, do we 🙂
@@ElectricUnicycles okay than. I tried everything with stock sliders. Cleaning, lots of different oils, removing rubber parts etc. one rain or 60km through muddy autumn forest and it doesn’t work again. That screeching sound was making me insane as well. You are lucky leaving with no helllots of wet mud around so it takes more time for your wheel to get dirty again 😅
After installing cnc sliders I forgot about the maintenance. No sounds, softer than v11 (I’m unable to ride with fast rebound cuz it’s a trampoline and I don’t feel the road at all). 2000km on the clock of muddy wet Ukrainian fall. No issues whatsoever
stock 750lbs spring, 65kg rider btw
@@dtsubera I may eventually go with the CNC sliders but want to see how long they last. 2000km is encouraging. With that open channel design that KingSong used I'm surprised that the bearings still don't get clogged with dirt eventually.
Did you ever try NO oils (completely dry)? Did it still get clogged up?
Thanks for your constructive input.
@@ElectricUnicycles i tried no oil. And oiled it immediately after first ride. Can not hear that noise 😖
@@dtsubera I think the oil is what collects all the dirt. I can't hear the squeaking much and hopefully it won't collect dirt (until I get the CNC) 🙂
Those squeaky though 😬 what lube would they put on the cnc sliders? I know for bike they put dry lube for warm weather and some other one for winter season, and removing all that lube from the s22 isnt nearly as easy as just removing it from the bike chain
"Dave" tried the dry lube but it immediately attracted dirt from trail riding. The real problem is KingSong's decision to use an open channel design that allows dirt easy entry.
@@ElectricUnicycles Oh yeah that makes sense
Onde compra as barras que você substituiu?
They were 3D printed
Those bolts need to be squeezing the linkage to prevent play, the aluminum tube needs to spin in the shock bushing. Wrong fix for this problem.
We can agree to disagree :-)
What makes you think the geometry will lead to a stiffer ride?
I'm going to be getting an airshock and cnc sliders and hopefully that'll transform the wheel.
I have yet to ride an S22 that feels as soft as my upgraded Master. But I'll soon try a S22 with the CNC sliders and then I'll know. Generally, airshock's provide a stiffer ride than coil so you might not want to do that, unless you want a firmer ride.
@@ElectricUnicycles hearing From a couple different people as well as my own experience trying two s22s with cnc sliders the ride was just too bouncy. That may be because the damper on the stock shock sucks i don't know.
I guess we'll see with the airshock, I enjoyed the ride on the T4 and the V11 which both have airshocks and a slider system with very little friction. I don't see why the S22 wouldn't beat them both with the cnc sliders plus a nice airshock. I hope the cnc's hold up too.
Apparently tpu 3d sliders including tpu wheels last pretty well so that could be worth trying.
@@ElectricUnicycles I have the CNC sliders and they are a game changer... The S22 with CNC sliders is more plush than the S18 and V11
Seems like fun to hear your wheel chirping like a little bird while riding in the woods.. watch out not attracting wolves 😂
@@YourAubsome he's worried about durability
Also I found at 145lbs with no gear the spring is just too beefy for smaller bumps
You're still barely getting any suspension movement from what I am seeing. The slide design might be okay but it looks to me like the material being used is a bad material for the job. Overall I suspect that Kingsong really cheap'd out on the design of this wheel, what a shame. I feel bad for the people who bought it. And I say that as someone who has and mostly enjoys a KS18XL (only negative on the 18XL is the handle/spin kill switch).
It's "a little" better than when it was new and hopefully will stay this way vs freezing up like it did. It's certainly a bad slider design.
@@ElectricUnicycles I'm curious, what do you think the material is that the black plastic rail glide is? I keep wondering if the white Nylon (Polypropylene?) type of material might be a much better choice for that. Of course it would be sacrificial material but it would at least be a suitable component as that stuff is inherently slick-ish and very durable.
@@kmg501 I have no idea, but it's very hard and feels generic (no inherent smooth properties). I think the ideal material would be UHMW. Getting it milled to the precise shape would be the challenge.
@@ElectricUnicycles Ahh, then it definitely sounds like they used the wrong material. At least that means there is a vector for a easy(?) fix if someone would start producing a replacement part made out of a suitable material.
I looked up UHMW, it appears to have very similar to Polypropylene properties. In that case I imagine the deciding factor is cost. I sure wish we could see a side by side test here.
Wow, just another reason not to trust kingsong anymore, this is terrible...s22 could had the same rod and bushing of the s18, why why why kingsong went this route I am clueless...
Yes future buyers DO NOT BUY S22!!!
the most terrible lcd i'we seen
Абсолютно бесполезное видео, никаких доработок нет, просто почистил, открутил и закрутил, при езде скрипит как старый диван, и абсолютно не работает. На слайдеры нужно ставить ролики а не просто чистить их, идиотизм.
Thank you