ofc it matters. It may still be judo, like kata guruma, but *sadly* 90% of clubs follow IJF to the letter because they only care about officially sanctioned competitions. So unless you are in the few who do their own thing, it means you can't do those throws anymore. They literally won't teach them anymore.
@@raphaelhudson The term "rebel clubs" sounds very strong, but now it is becoming popular to include in tournaments a category of competition called KOSEN (freestyle judo), which includes all techniques without any restrictions and other similar martial arts can compete (Jiu Jitsu, BJJ, Sambo, wrestling, etc).
@@luisbobadilla9188 sounds good. I mean, I still think neck, wrist and knee locks are too risky for competition and kano was right to exclude them (most BJJ comps seem to agree). But the situation with modern judo is just bringing the art into disrepute. I am not sure if you watched Karate at the olympics, but it was terrible, basically a penalties game. But judo wasn't far off.
About Decision # 6: I can't understand why the IJF has banned the Reverse Seoinage. They should explain, give a logical reason and a clear answer, what criteria has been used to penalize it? The statistics do not show that it is a dangerous technique. There are no reasonable statistics to support this decision, judokas are not injured (both when applying it and when being thrown)....I will continue to train Judo but a decision of this magnitude discourages, perfecting it cost me a few months, making it mine as a competition resource for another months, after successfully applying it for several years in tournaments and teaching it in many dojos, now they prohibit it, it is not fair. Since Judo was created, Morote gari existed and up to 8 years before the Beijing Olympic Games, the leg grip became very popular as a very effective form of throwing, most countries used it and won many gold medals. With this, after Beijing it was banned and with it its variants disappeared (Kata guruma, kuchiki taoishi, kubisu gaeshi and others), the IJF said that the Kata-Guruma was very confused with the throws of wrestling and Sambo and was lost the judo part, I remember that was the explanation. Many years ago (since the 70s) the Kani-Basami (flying scissors) had already been banned because it could spoil the legs of the uke, there was even a very popular case in Japan in the 80s that involved Saito and Yamashita (who was injured)....But to prohibit and penalize the Reverse Soinage, it seems to me that it does not make sense, an explanation with credible statistics and easy to verify is necessary.
In what world was minfunes favourite technique, and famously utilised by Kano to beat jujutsu masters - kata guruma with leg grab confused with sambo. It was always a load of rubbish just like this is. Why should judo be afraid of techniques from other wrestling arts, is our art inferior so it can’t handle them. What a load of hogwash . Their explanation was lack of safety , but how you allow sode when this is banned I don’t know 🤷♀️
That throw isn't a type of seoi-nage; maybe a reverse seoi-otoshi (due to the fact that it's a dropping action and a seoi-nage has to have a lifting action with the hips, according to the Kodokan.) In Aikido, they call it shiho-nage (four corners throw), but a more appropriate name for the IJF Judo version would be "shido-nage."
Funny Higashi Sensei, I was wanting to study this technique today. Im going to have to adjust my dropping to the knees as I cant do it on my bad knee. Wondering if I could modify it to wear only one knee goes down the other straight
@@handsome7mateen And neither can greco-roman wrestlers. It only becomes a problem when training or competing in other sport arts, which of course rights itself when training or competition continues in those other sport arts. It's obviously not a problem when a freestyle wrestler joins judo and the Judoka can't defend against leg grabs. However, I do agree that it's stupid because much of what SHOULD be a part of Judo is now missing.
He's made a few, though here's my take. I'm taller than many of my classmates, and I find Georgian grip helps a lot with many types of throws. Just beware the Tani Otoshi, as it's a long way down. Secondly, Ashi-waza is absolutely your friend, especially for setting up an actual throw.
They ban it because it is sneaky and because it’s effective. Results in high percentage of ippons. Still, it is a great way to transition to newaza. I am not sure if they penalize you for doing it however
@@Fjertil It always reminded me of the Aikido technique shiho-nage, so I always wondered if there was the possibility of higher injury with this technique.
Among other factors I don't remember, their statistics showed many injuries across the ranks from this throw. I still don't fully agree with it, as I haven't seen their stats myself. However, unlike the leg grab ban, this one seemed to have the athlete's well-being in mind.
@@SerafRhayn Happy new year to you ! Thanks for your answer, Seraf. For me this variant is unknown. In more than 40 years I performed judo no trainer shows this throw.
Many of you will hate me but I've never really liked this technique. To me, it's not a throw, it's just trapping uke into his own judogi and him "falling" from this. It has not the power of any of the Go Kyo techniques. Just look how devastating can the real Seoi Nage be. Reverse Seoi Nage fulfills the task of making uke fall for the sake of getting a score or winning the match, but IMO it has no real value as a fighting throw compared to others like O Soto Gari or Kinshi Waza as Morote Gari, Kani Basami, etc.
. Your reasoning can be equally applied to any throw. It's nonsense. Tori applies a force on uke either indirectly through the gi or directly in order to bring uke's back to the ground. Reverse seoi-nage accomplishes this. Throws do not have to be part of the forty go-kyo to be Judo throws, as demonstrated through the number of overall Kodokan throws, SIXTY-SEVEN.
@@PhysiKarlz Never said throws have to be part of the Go Kyo, I said reverse seoi nage is not nearly as devastating as any of the throws of the Go Kyo. Devastating as in violent and finishing throws. Reverse seoi nage is none of this. It accomplishes the goal of scoring a point in competition, but nothing more.
@@agalvan91 Judo is a sport, dude, not a deathmatch. Also, others suspect that reverse seoi is banned due to it being too dangerous for uke. Now you turn up here saying it's not as "devastating"... Both ridiculous ideas. I don't know what competitions you've been watching to think that reverse seoi is less powerful ("devastating") as deashi-barai, uki-waza, uki-otoshi, etc etc. Or should we only compare it with seoi and ignore all the powerful instances of reverse seoi in competition?
@@PhysiKarlz Nope, judo is not a sport. Judo is foremost a martial art. I quote Jigoro Kano here: "The result of a systematic training in Judo is not only to develop a strong and healthy body but also to create in a man or woman a perfect control over mind and body, and make him or her ready to meet any emergency, either from accident or from attack". When I mean devastating it doesn't mean unsafe. All Kodokan Judo techniques are both devastating if needed, but also safe enough to be practiced under controlled circumstances. That's why there's Kinshi Waza such as leg locks, as they are considered to be too dangerous to do in randori or shiai, but nevertheless devastating in real combat. Same with reverse seoi nage. It can be "devastating" in the sense you are twisting uke's arm, which is not the main purpose of a seoi nage. BTW seoi means "back" or "spine" and there's no use of the back in reverse "seoi nage", just twisting of the judogi. Hope its clearer now
@@agalvan91 I really am not getting your reasoning because you're stating contradictory things. Let's start from the beginning again. What does it mean to and ?
@@ricardokerscher agreed with the ibjjf rules mostly but Judo has way more sucky rule changes, ever since they banned leg grabs that’s a massive restriction on what Judo can do.
Yes, but unfortunately, sport judo is the largest part of modern day judo. The more the ijf ban, the less that is being taught. Therefore more and more techniques are lost to the sands of time.
@@ricardokerscher he didn't make an argument about the number of rules he made an argument about the politics behind the rule changes and their frequency, no need to lie about what was said.
@@ricardokerscher ????? you can use knee locks under ibjjf rules, you just have to be either brown or black belt. also, spinal locks with chokes are allowed on a case-by-case basis, ibjjf rules are much less strict. from experience, the worst neck cranks that can be put on you are neck cranks within guillotine chokes
The trouble is buddy, whether you follow competitive judo or not, 99% of clubs will only train IJF legal techniques. I'd massively prefer judo to bjj, but as it stands judo at the IJF level is getting more and more constrictive and stagnant, and that impacts the the sport/art or whatever you want to call it as a whole.
It doesent matter that the IJF banned it, its still judo. If you like it, train it
Just like morote gari all the way! It's Judo. Just not sport Judo.
ofc it matters. It may still be judo, like kata guruma, but *sadly* 90% of clubs follow IJF to the letter because they only care about officially sanctioned competitions. So unless you are in the few who do their own thing, it means you can't do those throws anymore. They literally won't teach them anymore.
@@36424567254 yeah you would need to find a rebel club. Most of them are so eager to compete they lose sight of the martial art
@@raphaelhudson The term "rebel clubs" sounds very strong, but now it is becoming popular to include in tournaments a category of competition called KOSEN (freestyle judo), which includes all techniques without any restrictions and other similar martial arts can compete (Jiu Jitsu, BJJ, Sambo, wrestling, etc).
@@luisbobadilla9188 sounds good. I mean, I still think neck, wrist and knee locks are too risky for competition and kano was right to exclude them (most BJJ comps seem to agree). But the situation with modern judo is just bringing the art into disrepute. I am not sure if you watched Karate at the olympics, but it was terrible, basically a penalties game. But judo wasn't far off.
About Decision # 6: I can't understand why the IJF has banned the Reverse Seoinage. They should explain, give a logical reason and a clear answer, what criteria has been used to penalize it? The statistics do not show that it is a dangerous technique. There are no reasonable statistics to support this decision, judokas are not injured (both when applying it and when being thrown)....I will continue to train Judo but a decision of this magnitude discourages, perfecting it cost me a few months, making it mine as a competition resource for another months, after successfully applying it for several years in tournaments and teaching it in many dojos, now they prohibit it, it is not fair.
Since Judo was created, Morote gari existed and up to 8 years before the Beijing Olympic Games, the leg grip became very popular as a very effective form of throwing, most countries used it and won many gold medals. With this, after Beijing it was banned and with it its variants disappeared (Kata guruma, kuchiki taoishi, kubisu gaeshi and others), the IJF said that the Kata-Guruma was very confused with the throws of wrestling and Sambo and was lost the judo part, I remember that was the explanation. Many years ago (since the 70s) the Kani-Basami (flying scissors) had already been banned because it could spoil the legs of the uke, there was even a very popular case in Japan in the 80s that involved Saito and Yamashita (who was injured)....But to prohibit and penalize the Reverse Soinage, it seems to me that it does not make sense, an explanation with credible statistics and easy to verify is necessary.
In what world was minfunes favourite technique, and famously utilised by Kano to beat jujutsu masters - kata guruma with leg grab confused with sambo. It was always a load of rubbish just like this is. Why should judo be afraid of techniques from other wrestling arts, is our art inferior so it can’t handle them. What a load of hogwash .
Their explanation was lack of safety , but how you allow sode when this is banned I don’t know 🤷♀️
That throw isn't a type of seoi-nage; maybe a reverse seoi-otoshi (due to the fact that it's a dropping action and a seoi-nage has to have a lifting action with the hips, according to the Kodokan.)
In Aikido, they call it shiho-nage (four corners throw), but a more appropriate name for the IJF Judo version would be "shido-nage."
Haha i see what you did there.
great demo master, good job guys
show the techniques on this uke , ne waza please
sankaku jime, bow and arrow choke, Okuri Eri Jime etc thank you
So happy to use this in Jiu-Jitsu. Just grip the right collar and go for it.
happy new year.
Funny Higashi Sensei, I was wanting to study this technique today. Im going to have to adjust my dropping to the knees as I cant do it on my bad knee. Wondering if I could modify it to wear only one knee goes down the other straight
Banning techniques kind of creates a loop hole. If its banned most dojo wont train it. If you dont train it you wont defend it properly too.
true, that's why most judoka can't properly defend against leg grab technique
That's not what loophole means. Loop hole means finding a way of justifying legality of something when it was supposed to be made illegal.
@@handsome7mateen And neither can greco-roman wrestlers. It only becomes a problem when training or competing in other sport arts, which of course rights itself when training or competition continues in those other sport arts. It's obviously not a problem when a freestyle wrestler joins judo and the Judoka can't defend against leg grabs.
However, I do agree that it's stupid because much of what SHOULD be a part of Judo is now missing.
Nice. Well done.
arigatto sensei
IJF continues to implement lame ass rules......let’s make Judo complete again 🧐
Time to find a JJJ gym.
Very interesting technique to start the year
Happy new year Sensei!
Helpful 👍
Could you make a vid on how to fight as a taller judoka and what throws and grips to use?
He's made a few, though here's my take. I'm taller than many of my classmates, and I find Georgian grip helps a lot with many types of throws. Just beware the Tani Otoshi, as it's a long way down. Secondly, Ashi-waza is absolutely your friend, especially for setting up an actual throw.
looks nice...why ban it lol
Can break the uke arm I believe
@@USAjudo oh i see
Japanese judokas lost so this teachnique must go.
@@oneguy7202 xD
Because the IJF are hell bent on turning judo into points based tai kwon do. They need to be replaced as the governing body to restore the sport
They ban it because it is sneaky and because it’s effective. Results in high percentage of ippons. Still, it is a great way to transition to newaza. I am not sure if they penalize you for doing it however
FUCKING SOLID
so similar to Aikido Shihonage
Is it forbidden now?
What is the reason?
Still allowed for BJJ
Has there been any explanation yet as to why they did this? I don't care for reverse seoi but this seems really dumb.
Probably higher danger of arm / wrist lock while throwing... just guessing. But still nice technique.
@@Fjertil people get hurt from Osoto Gari and Makikomi’s. Unless it was at the level of Kani Bassami, seems odd 🤷♂️
@@Fjertil It always reminded me of the Aikido technique shiho-nage, so I always wondered if there was the possibility of higher injury with this technique.
No reason was given by the IJF.
Happy new year to you, Shintaro. Interesting Seoi Version you show here. Do you know, why it was banned?
Among other factors I don't remember, their statistics showed many injuries across the ranks from this throw. I still don't fully agree with it, as I haven't seen their stats myself. However, unlike the leg grab ban, this one seemed to have the athlete's well-being in mind.
@@SerafRhayn The last example shows why. If Uke blocks with his elbow and is thrown, it can easily turn into a really violent/uncontrolled Ude Garami
@@SerafRhayn Happy new year to you ! Thanks for your answer, Seraf. For me this variant is unknown. In more than 40 years I performed judo no trainer shows this throw.
Many of you will hate me but I've never really liked this technique. To me, it's not a throw, it's just trapping uke into his own judogi and him "falling" from this. It has not the power of any of the Go Kyo techniques. Just look how devastating can the real Seoi Nage be. Reverse Seoi Nage fulfills the task of making uke fall for the sake of getting a score or winning the match, but IMO it has no real value as a fighting throw compared to others like O Soto Gari or Kinshi Waza as Morote Gari, Kani Basami, etc.
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Your reasoning can be equally applied to any throw. It's nonsense.
Tori applies a force on uke either indirectly through the gi or directly in order to bring uke's back to the ground. Reverse seoi-nage accomplishes this. Throws do not have to be part of the forty go-kyo to be Judo throws, as demonstrated through the number of overall Kodokan throws, SIXTY-SEVEN.
@@PhysiKarlz Never said throws have to be part of the Go Kyo, I said reverse seoi nage is not nearly as devastating as any of the throws of the Go Kyo. Devastating as in violent and finishing throws. Reverse seoi nage is none of this. It accomplishes the goal of scoring a point in competition, but nothing more.
@@agalvan91 Judo is a sport, dude, not a deathmatch.
Also, others suspect that reverse seoi is banned due to it being too dangerous for uke. Now you turn up here saying it's not as "devastating"... Both ridiculous ideas.
I don't know what competitions you've been watching to think that reverse seoi is less powerful ("devastating") as deashi-barai, uki-waza, uki-otoshi, etc etc. Or should we only compare it with seoi and ignore all the powerful instances of reverse seoi in competition?
@@PhysiKarlz Nope, judo is not a sport. Judo is foremost a martial art. I quote Jigoro Kano here: "The result of a systematic training in Judo is not only to develop a strong and healthy body but also to create in a man or woman a perfect control over mind and body, and make him or her ready to meet any emergency, either from accident or from attack". When I mean devastating it doesn't mean unsafe. All Kodokan Judo techniques are both devastating if needed, but also safe enough to be practiced under controlled circumstances. That's why there's Kinshi Waza such as leg locks, as they are considered to be too dangerous to do in randori or shiai, but nevertheless devastating in real combat. Same with reverse seoi nage. It can be "devastating" in the sense you are twisting uke's arm, which is not the main purpose of a seoi nage. BTW seoi means "back" or "spine" and there's no use of the back in reverse "seoi nage", just twisting of the judogi. Hope its clearer now
@@agalvan91 I really am not getting your reasoning because you're stating contradictory things.
Let's start from the beginning again. What does it mean to and ?
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so what's the reason behind the ban?
Apparently the reverse causes a disproportionate number of injuries compared to any other throw.
@@I_Might_B_Wrong Data source?
@@PhysiKarlz No idea, that's just something I read on Reddit in a discussion about the change. Gotta love the internet, almost nobody cites anything.
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Ban all throws except morote and uchi from standard grip
Why? What would be the point?
@@talesfromthetoiletseat8295 it's a joke, IJF bans everything
@@marksoberay2318 ah ok lol I thought you were serious. 😬
Judo looks more like politics than martial arts are limiting all actions that shit.
?? lol
@@ricardokerscher agreed with the ibjjf rules mostly but Judo has way more sucky rule changes, ever since they banned leg grabs that’s a massive restriction on what Judo can do.
Yes, but unfortunately, sport judo is the largest part of modern day judo. The more the ijf ban, the less that is being taught. Therefore more and more techniques are lost to the sands of time.
@@ricardokerscher he didn't make an argument about the number of rules he made an argument about the politics behind the rule changes and their frequency, no need to lie about what was said.
@@ricardokerscher ????? you can use knee locks under ibjjf rules, you just have to be either brown or black belt. also, spinal locks with chokes are allowed on a case-by-case basis, ibjjf rules are much less strict. from experience, the worst neck cranks that can be put on you are neck cranks within guillotine chokes
IJF again giving BJJ free advertising. Just pathetic. These guys need to go. Soon judo will look like ballet.
The trouble is buddy, whether you follow competitive judo or not, 99% of clubs will only train IJF legal techniques. I'd massively prefer judo to bjj, but as it stands judo at the IJF level is getting more and more constrictive and stagnant, and that impacts the the sport/art or whatever you want to call it as a whole.