Anfield Stadium Further Development Questions. Looking at the Sir Kenny Dalglish and KOP Stands.
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- I very often have comments and questions on my Anfield videos relating to the potential further development of the Sir Kenny Dalglish and KOP stands.
Although I certainly do not have the answers I have made this video to share what I have either read or been informed and to also take a good look at the areas surrounding the Sir Kenny Dalglish and KOP stands.
I hope you enjoy there video.
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Honestly appreciate your videos, I notice the effort you put into these videos, no disrespect to the others but yours by far stand out to be the best, thank you for the updates!
I think it's an easy job for FSG to upgrade Sir Kenny Daglish stand and the kop stand To do this at the Sir Kenny Daglish stand, FSG only needs to approach the homeowner in front of the stand to buy their house, the same thing they do like rebuilding the main stand. The problem in rebuilding the kop stand is the road in front of it, yes it will be very difficult if you don't approach the mayor and local residents there, most importantly liverpool and the mayor there cooperate in making train stations and parking lots to accommodate large the number of fans later. FSG is full of great people, great business people who are successful in the world of sport, for them doing the job of building a stand at Anfield is not a difficult job. In the next 5 years there will be a discussion about the work between the local residents' FSG and the mayor. As good fans we just have to support this work so that it can be easily realized. Well, Mr Drone, it will be a very big project for you in the future, and you are very happy to monitor it from your weekly video updates. Seeing a bigger and more modern Anfield in the future is the dream of every fan and club owner of course
I'm sure LFC have already bought the major of the housing behind SKD stand??
I'm Russian. I think the KOP expansion wouldn't be any problem at all in my country. The easiest way is to put the road right under the new KOP stand. Maybe right under the KOP, maybe by putting the road into the tunnel. This is not a problem. The KD Stand is the same as the Main stand was. The solution is the same: buy out three rows of houses and to expand the KD stand then.
Or you could simply reduce the whole area to rubble with artillery and start again.
@@asuhdude6668 First time a I've seen a Russian associated with 'reasonable terms'.
Surely you should be focusing your energy on apologising to Ukranians for murdering their people and destroying their country rather than watching mundane football videos......
Putin doesn't worry about couple of rows of houses, he takes region's cities islands , no city in UK cares as much about its people like liverpool..but saying that money talks and tenants walk ,maybe to improved location I suppose, don't see it happening in next ten years
@@robertcook2572 Hilarious. I did chuckle.
for the kop end, i saw a mock up where they turn the road into an above ground tunnel, and the stadium is redeveloped on top of it. i think that could work
The grass area across Walton Breck Road facing the megastore is where I grew up as a child. These terrace streets which were connected to the main road, were eventually demolished and replaced with newer housing. I’ve always found it interesting that the newer housing was built set back from the main road leaving space for ???? Having said that to develop the Kop further you need to demolish 2 pubs and a church at a minimum. Oh and redirect Walton Breck Road ! Won’t happen in next 10 years at least.
Anfield Road had the same housing issues but eventually they were overcome. It will happen, it’s inevitable, but how long to buy all the houses is the question.
The Centenary stand has foundations implanted to extend to a 3rd tier when needed when it was built .
Didn't know that but the facilities that they feel are necessary in new stands would probably mean they aren't what they need nowadays.
We are going to have 2 fantastic sides to our ground the more I see of the Anny Road it’s just going to dwarf the Kop, which imo can’t be allowed to happen I remain convinced the space behind the Kop with the LFC shop etc can quite easily be moved to another stand, imo we need to get to 70 thousand to be a financially sound investment that pays for itself in a couple of years, we now have 4 unique stands The Kop, The Anny Rd, The Main Stand, The King Kenny stand, they are our stands certainly for my life time and I have no problem with the names we’ve used, we had such a long list of suggestions it must have been difficult to pick a single one, then you’ve got the blue shite celebrating when they win a corner or free kick which is ridiculous but it is EFC we’re talking about not Barca or PSG. or Bayern anyway up the mighty reds.
The transport issue is that any further expansion requires rail link within 1 mile. There is a freight line that Mersey Rail is considering making into a passenger line again. That would be a potential trigger for further development. Agree the cost of compulsory purchase for the houses wouldn't be a financial issue but would create mahor issues with the local community. The Kop Huddy did an excellent video on his channel about this question, well worth a watch. YNWA. Cheers again MrD
The Canada Dock Branch line still exists, consisting of a track from Edge Hill to Seaforth. The 2 closest stations would be Breck Road with Walton & Anfield the other one. There where 7 passenger stations on that line.
I think cargo trains still use it today.
Interesting that 👏
Remember to upgrade the SKD stand to Main stand size would require the demolition of both sides of Skerries Rd and quite possibly one side of Wylva street, because of ‘Right to light’ legislation. You cannot just build something that big which would dominate the back views fo those properties. These costs are huge beyond the construction cost of the stand itself.
To upgrade the Kop requires the relocation/destruction of the Albert and Park pubs and the church plus diverting WBR road as said. Huge cost when factored against the extra return in seat revenue.
Then for either upgrade the improved transport links as said. Not impossible but hugely expensive. Good job Mr D
If you look at Atletico’s old stadium the Vincent Calderon, that had a motorway running underneath one stand as a tunnel. Pretty sure one of Villa Park’s stand has a similar setup but for a main road. A similar thing could be done with the Kop IF the pubs and church could be demolished
@@jackkeenan2039 I suspect UK plannings have tightened up considerably since those stands were built. A road underneath ..... theyd be laughing for months in the planning office 😉
Dont think they would make it that big. They make it the same size as the anfield road end, or atleast for me that would make sense. To have 1 big mainstand and 3 just a little bit smaller stans
@@smey02 but even slightly smaller, the footprint would be huge and the right to light issue still exists. Id love it to be done, but i just cant see it happening
Wylva Rd is where the Stadium must end on SKD stand, not only for light issues but open space for people when they turn up. Look how good the outside of the main stand looks. Kop you need to buy out the first row of houses between Hartnup and Donaldson and The shops, church so the Walton brick road goes behind the church. Mind you MU is making a 95k stadium soon. So we have to make a 85k one just to keep up.
If the ground could be developed after anfield Road the transport links would have to be upgraded there is a old freight line that could be used and would work with investment. The skdstand could be made same size as main stand but at least one set of houses would need to go and maybe a 2nd row due to lighting issues and views. The kop could be expanded by being made steeper like dortmonds yellow wall but I believe there are laws in the uk that prohibit such a steep angle . And the pub the church would never move to allow reroute of main road so that's the issues with further development but anfield should be 80.000
The only main issue for expansion is transportation. A few years ago LFC were in talks with Liverpool City Council about reviving the old railway line.
Just build tunnel below the Kop stand. Creative engineering structure will do the trick. Need another 16k seats from both Kop and SKD stands. Then we are on top of everything.
one think you have overlooked is the Kop stand is very shallow. when you look at the spuds single tier stadium the footprint is no bigger than the current kop. it could be made very steep one tier escalators for the seniors.
Hi Nick a very impressive video with lot's of information.
To develop and extend the Kenny Dalglish stand.
Liverpool could completely rebuild the stand with a 2 degrees stepper terracing, build into the car park, the old car park could be also retained by incorporating into an underground car beneath the new Kenny Dalglish. This would then be similar with 3 tiers as the new main stand.
To extend the Kop stand.
Liverpool will need to start a fresh by completely rebuild the Kop stand.
Increase the angle of the terracing by 3 degrees this will increase the overall high of the stand and be similar in design to the Anfield Road....
However
This will be a lot of money (100's Millions) and as mentioned before a Stadium's over 60,000+
Transport links will need to be improved and similar To The New Tottenham Hotspur Stadium In North London.
My conclusion with inventive building design's this can be achieved at a huge cost.
Keep up to great mate and well done.
You would still need to knock 2-3 rows of houses down behind KD stand as expanding at that height into the car park would fall foul of right to light planning requirements.
Great drone video yet again Nick. Love the aerial view of the Stadium. The main stand and Anfield road are going to dwarf the other two stands once complete. Going forward I can see plans being drawn up of how to increase the SKD and Kop stand to around the 75,00 capacity? If rumours are correct this has already being discussed for the future. It would take a lot of planning and re-development for this to happen but given the fan base and recent developments can see this happening over the next 5 yrs. Watch this space? Keep up the great drone footage Nick 👍
There are always engineering solutions to every problem. The KOP end, they could expand it by lowering the road height slightly and box it in a tunnel under a new Kop Stand (like the railway line that goes beneath the West stand of the aviva). The Sir Kenny one, the footprint is fine, they just need to update the stand to the latest facilities, not expand it massively or recreate facilities that already exist in the two rebuilt stands already....
All we would have to do is increase the height of the kop to the level of the main stand and then make the seating as steep as the main stand a simple job that would not need any road closures on Walton Breck it's not rocket science lad
@@JohnPG1706. I'm no engineer but I think in order to go up, you've got to go out. In other words they would need to bring the back of the stand out further to support any new work of seating on top o the existing one.
@@JohnPG1706. you can't add height without adding depth lad. To raise the roof height to add more rows you need the back of the Kop to move backwards, otherwise you'd have to rebuild the entire Kop to angle current rows at a much steeper and unsafe angle (would never pass planning approval) just to add a few more rows that would not cover cost of redevelopment. Look at amount of space required to increase capacity of Main & Anfield Road stands as reference..
@@coldphinger The Anfield Rd and Main Stand were 2 totally different propositions, what the Kop has is a very broad roof so you can build upon it without having ti go backwards and then make the seating steeper we're not looking for an extra 7 or 8 thousand just 4 or 5, you can't have the Kop as the smallest stand in the ground that is madness
@@michaeljones3694 The Kop I has a very broad roof so it could go higher without having to go backwards then make the seating steeper as I've previously said you can't have The Kop as the smallest stand in the ground you just can't
Great video as always mate, yours is the only one I watch following the development of the stadium. 👍
Thanks Mr Drone. From a red ❤ to a blue 💙 appreciate your updates around Anfield...and I agree with your thoughts today. It's almost impossible for the two stands to grow. At ground level it's even more obvious - as I walk down Skerries everyday to work.
i am a feyenoord rotterdam fan i think when all the expansion is finished liverpool then have one of the best stadiums in the world i like liverpool a lot the athmosphere and the fans are great same as feyenoord greetings from holland
i hope they make the kop steeper or expand it as far as u can go just like the yellow wall in germany (24k) + expand the kd stand more than the main stand (to around 23k seats) + "fill in" the corners of the stadium to add a couple thousand extra seats could easily take us to around 78k.
They should have built the main stand a lot higher and steeper.Any building up of the other stands blocks out the sunlight on the pitch,which is needed for the grass to grow.
@@raybrown4958 you can use the floodlights
Great additional vid Mr D, good to add the commentary for this.
These issues surrounding Anfield expansion have been constant over the decades.
Massive sensitive issue alone, just converting the "old" Kemlyn Road Stand into the "Kenny !"
Boss footage.
Great video, entertaining and professionally done, thank you 🤘
Good Job Mr Drone! Great coverage i love your impartiality! Total Credit! Both Grounds looking good! I would love to see a diagram of the Everton Project.parking and all the other things? What will happen to Goodison it wont be the same when Everton move? Keep up the great work. Come on you Redmen two point start for the Subbuteo team, poor poor start.
Really interesting video - thanks for doing this.
I can’t see any further development of the stadium. The club started to own a number of properties on Skerries Rd and when they realised buying the whole road wasn’t an option, they refurbished the houses and sold them for a profit.
The houses behind the main stand were so derelict that it was in the council’s best interests to push for the compulsory purchase order.
There’s also two pubs and a church behind the Kop.
It’s all just too unlikely for me.
Arent they rtying to buy everything around the stadium for along time now?
Of course more can be done, but not without demolishing houses, but my guess would also be that nothing happens in next 10 years. Dont even mind, think the stadium has alot more caracter like that, with different stands and history
Atleast the kenny stand shouldnt be a problem, only takes time.
Also remember the situation was the same with the mainstand and there it worked out, with buying houses and demolish them for the new stand. And it was even alot more housing, because they build that huge place infront of it, you dont need that for the kennystand
Thx mate:) YNWA all the best:)
Another great video mate.... very interesting to see the progress of Anfield from the drone keep up the great content 👍
Buying up the 40 or so houses on both sides of Skerries Road is almost certainly affordable in the context of a 10,000+ seat expansion of Kenny Dalglish.
Agreed. Not sure they’d need to buy 40 though. The space needed isn’t as great as the Annie, because SKD already has two tiers.
@@williamwilcock4326 The second tier on the KDS is fairly narrower. They wouldn’t be able to extend it either side to make it symmetrical with the bottom tier based on new regs.
@@Raptor-22 the thing is, it’s not about making things symmetrical, it’s about increasing the number of seats without it costing a fortune. Personally I think the Annie will be it for the time being, but who knows in 5 or 10 yrs time.
@@williamwilcock4326 realistic you have to buy up to Wylva Rd. If you just google maps and measure the width of the main stand then you will see. Also right to light comes to effect of a higher stadium anlso 60k stadium requires train transportation for European matches.
@@williamwilcock4326 Further expansion is a pipe dream as of now. What they can do is lay the foundations for further expansion. Buy up the houses and invest in transport infrastructure (with the council) etc. Maybe in the next 10-15 years it will be more feasible.
Good work! Anfield needs to reach a capacity of 70k to compete with the major European teams/stadia, but will be very difficult with the cramped space around the stadium.
Fascinating always wondered about how we get round the housing & the road because the KD & the Kop will be dwarfed by this new addition . Great work hope you and your family enjoyed the North of Ireland 🇮🇪 good luck bro .
May sound a little silly, but I love the brickwork and mix of metalwork on the new main stand and Anfield Road. If we can’t expand, maybe we could look to re-roof and upgrade the current stands cosmetically to match the aesthetics of the 2 moderns stands at the very least?
I actually prefer historical stadiums like Anfield to have an asymmetrical shape…It gives each stand a unique appearance and adds to the character of the stadium…..
Fantastic vid once again mate, since i only just started droning on my channel I'm getting asked this so much on social media, i don't think there will be no plans anytime soon with the amount of housing next to KD stand and the road lay out still by the Kop but it's not impossible to happen but think there will be a lengthy wait
i think you done your best to answer the questions about the stands ,tunnel under the kop end might be ok to do,as for side with the houses,that would be a job and a half,people will only be pushed so far,as always great shots from above,thanking you for sharing
Was there any planning restriction to maybe moving main stand when being built a bit more backwards and the anfield road end more towards Stanley park freeing up more space for expansion. Just a thought
Very interesting video (thank you). Of course, for years those two old dears who lived in Kemlyn Rd held out, in what is now the car park. So let's face it, eventually it WILL happen. It is merely dependent on how much the club needs to shell out to achieve it, or how long it needs to wait. Doesn't make it 'right' - merely 'inevitable'.
40 houses worth 80k each. Give 150k. 6 mill. Extra mill to the council for the road. Not a bad price for land.
There are 20 houses on the west side (back on to SKD) of Skerries Road, LFC own 13 of them
Interested to know how you know that - this would indicate LFC do have future intentions to expand the SKD somehow.
Excellent buddy, was good to meet you a couple of was ago 😉
I don't think you'll see Anfield be further developed for a while due to how tight space is around the Sir Kenny stand and the Kop. The club would have to buy the houses behind the Sir Kenny stand, then they would have to re-route the road behind the Kop and buy the house across the road from it), they'd then have to knock the club shop down because it would be too tight between an expanded Kop and the club store. It's a lot of work and engineering. We do know the next step for Anfield is to get it to 70-75k capacity so they'll have to figure something out in the long run
Excellent video as usual 👍
I could possibly see LFC being able to redevelop the SKD stand to a similar design to the new main stand but this would require the buy out of probably 3 rows of housing on the Skerries Road & Wylva Road. I remember attending games at Anfield a couple of decades ago and having discussions with mates about how the old main stand could be modernised and the discussions were the same re: housing, which is what the club did. The Kop, personally I can't see it being resized. Perhaps a redesign of the exterior and roof to fit with new stand designs but to divert the Walton Breck Road, buy out of housing and the pubs as well as what they do with the church I think is a bridge too far in both planning and associated costs. Will be interesting to see how things develop in the decades ahead.
3 rows? One a single row of housing will suffice
@@Red-Red-Red-Red yes for sure at minimum 3 rows, maybe 2. Could not see planning permission being granted otherwise due to proximity to other housing and where would you accommodate staff parking and other media parking etc. and everything else that goes with it?
They can't redevelop much larger because of transport links. They would need a rail connection closer buy and better public transport.
The old freight lane can be converted & reopened.
This should be done so that people can come in on the train & walk down.
great video as always thank you
Something to bear in mind is landsdowne road stadium which has rail tracks running underneath the mainstand. Could always be an option to leave the road in place for the kop expansion without the need to move the road. Liverpool city council did restrict the current development to 61k capacity based on the lack of transport networks.
I tell ya ya what it’s a fooking pain when a train comes and ur trying to get in to watch a match lmfwao.
Amazing video,as always.The dilema of having to destroy so many houses to stay in an area.Tough.
The Kop just up, up, up, steeper and higher. There´s too much stuff around to go "backwards" much. Stadium engineering is going forward all the time. It now looks so small from above. But I wouldn´t change the Anfield -look. Might be expensive though. I remember when I went for the first time as a kid to The Kop by myself, oh boy it felt HUGE. Anyway, who says The Kop should be square -shape, make it trapezoid, diagonal to the direction of the road behind! If the only way is up, then let´s go up... Beautiful scenes!
It’s going to have the feel of st james park at Newcastle. The main stand was similar before the development with the housing which had to be purchased and demolished . Looking from the Aerial view not only would the club have to purchase and demolish skerries road it would probably have to get wylva road too. Then with the Kop again like Anfield Road they would have to build across Walton Breck . The council would sell for the right price it’s wether the club are prepared to pay or be happy with 61,000 . Great work though nick 👍
Am I right in thinking that when the old Kemlyn Rd stand was replaced by the now SKD the foundation’s were made bigger to facilitate a expansion to that stand ?
There is a close, but closed, railway station. You could put big car parks at the stations along the route and use it on match days to reduce traffic significantly. Even if only one station was used either side of the stadium, a huge chunk of traffic would be redirected....
Another fab video I'm hooked
Liverpool could do what they did with the Main Stand. Buy up all the houses, board them up, run the area down, bring the house prices down and then buy more houses and properties at an ever decreasing cost.
Costing tens of thousands to local home owners.
I'm a Liverpool supporter but what the club and council did to local people was disgusting and I'm surprised no-one took legal action.
They wouldn't have got away with it in the affluent areas of the city like Woolton, Childwall etc.
Brilliant video Mister Drone.
Great film again and shows problems with further expansion. Looks like capacity will be limited to 61,000 and I'll never get high enough up on the season ticket waiting list!
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The MCG in Melbourne overhangs Brunton Ave on one side. There's a lot more traffic on Brunton Ave compared to Walton Breck Rd. Not sure how The Albert owners would feel being absorbed into the Red Behemoth though.
Where there's a will...
There are restrictions on how much daylight you can block out from the surrounding structures and mass transit has to be available if they expand any further beyond ~60K. IMO the KOP is an easier job even though you’d have to redirect the road and demolish businesses. That’s just money. The houses on the KD side will be very difficult and the club will be very sensitive on what they do on that side PR wise.
I’m always interested in what can be done as a stand with the corners of the KD
On one side , Soon the roof to the Anfiekd road will be high above
We have at present two levels of boxes for TV and nothing above. Maybe for corporate purposes or TV we can stick the press box hear and allow other fans into the press area of the main stand instead
One another corner you have the now odd looking overhang
Can this be added back into the KD and allow the Kop to be widened with little fuss
FSG and John Henry won’t want to hear this, but eventually they will have to develop Anfield further. The sad truth is that Liverpool are late to the 60,000+ stadium parade. Man City and Chelsea are both looking at expanding their stadiums to 65,000+, meanwhile Newcastle are also planning for a super stadium.
It’s bad enough that Spurs and even bloody West Ham have bigger stadiums than us, and of course Old Trafford is in a league of its own. 60K was a good capacity ten / fifteen years go. Now even with Anfield finally at that capacity, its at risk of being left behind. Whether they like it or not, the Sir Kenny and Kop stands HAVE to be expanded in future and take Anfield to 70K capacity at least.
Since when did having the biggest stadium guarantee on the pitch success ? What have Man Utd, Spurs and West Ham won recently despite having bigger stadiums than Anfield ?
61,000 is about max . In ten years time ; Man city , Chelsea , Newcastle , Aston Villa and possibly Sunderland will all have bigger grounds . Liverpool will be about 10th in terms of capacity . If Everton decide to extend they will have a bigger capacity also .
Why wouldn't FSG and John W Henry want to hear that. That means more revenue. Most probably won't happen in the next 5 years but maybe in 10 years.
Manchester City are only just looking at their expansion now, it will be years until it's done and the Etihad is smaller than Anfield in the meantime. Newcastle's ground has a far bigger problem than Anfield with expansion obstacles, including a listed building right up against the ground's north-east side. They'd need a whole new stadium, which takes years. Spurs' stadium is 62, 850, hardly dwarfing Anfield and it won't be expanded for a long time given the scale of investment that has to be repaid there already. That 1,850 extra seats also comes with a half-billion pound price tag Liverpool don't have hanging around their necks. Chelsea cannot expand at all, famously. They'd need a whole new stadium, and that would take years to plan and execute. Manchester United have a big capacity but the stadium is in need of absolutely huge renovation. They're even suggesting demolishing and rebuilding, such is the scale of the problem, as they have a tiny south stand that is up against a railway line. Liverpool are in a very healthy position with the stadium, even if they don't expand. I'm confident they will, and they can do so in a time scale that is similar to their rivals if they really need to.
@@FloatingOnAZephyr Man City can't even fill the current Emptyhad Stadium. You don't need to worry about them. 😀
I think the builders/the club have missed a trick on the Main stand by not covering the roof, or at least part of it, with solar panels. LFC are supposed to be a "green" club.
Love all your videos Mr Drone including the new Everton stadium, even though I support Liverpool FC. Could they not build over the road and make it like a tunnel (ie bridge) as you need the height for the new seating?
I think now the Annie Road near completion they be thinking more along the lines of demolition and rebuild of kop and sir kenny on the original land footprint.. One stand at a time.. Still have a big attendance with 3stands open.
Thanks for another great video!
Think it will happen eventually! If someone offered me double of what my home is worth I'd jump at there offer! Would be sad if you had lived there all your life but wouldn't be able to turn down the offer!
Very difficult to expand the SKD stand without buying up the houses, which I don't think would appeal to the residents. However if they offered the residents a quarter of a mill each, then I'm sure they would be queuing outside the gates of Anfield with the house keys in their hands. Just my thoughts.
Nah they should get 2mil each
Back in the 1980's when developing the Kemlyn Road Stand was the big plan it took more than 10 years to get the houses empty so the expansion could happen, Some of the residents around the ground have grown up in the houses and don't want to move and as much as I'd love Anfield to be an 80,000 seat stadium I don't think folks should be forced from their home for it. I lived in Lothair Road for a while but the new Main Stand has seen that house removed not that I was there then.
I would build new 3 bed houses some where around liverpool for the people to move in and give them 5,000 cash incentives to make the deal ,that way they can make a new stand like the main, and make anfield more in unionson, then make a new kop in 10 years ,,
Nice work! I think anything thing over 65k needs a rail network
Considering planning for the upgrade of the Kemlyn/Centenary/SKD stand started in the late 80s/early 90s, you'd think they'd have thought about how they could expand all the stands while keeping the look similar. Even with the Kop, which started rebuilding in 94, why didn't they at least make it the same height as the SKD stand and 'connect' them? But like you said, the lack of space on Skerries and Walton Breck Roads is what'll kill any future development plans.
I think the engineering problems can be solved, albeit at great cost. But this is an organisation that turns over half a billion pounds a year and spends £80m on strikers. You could pay £1m for all 20 of those homes and still get your money back very quickly in ticket sales on the larger stand. I feel it's a where there is a will there is a way situation. Just buying people out isn't quite right, you'd have to find them new homes in the area for good will. The bigger issue is the transport, as you say, but there has been talk of reopening the nearby Walton & Anfield station in 2019. It would be a great improvement for the club and the area even if they don't increase ground capacity. I'm not sure the Kop would need a bigger footprint, as it's a different type of stand. I think the club will wait to see what happens with safe standing and go from there. Maybe they could increase the rake on the stand and go safe standing. It's fun to think about, but I'm delighted with the progress already being made.
the only way to redevelop the Sir Kenny stand is buy buying at least that one row of houses, although i doubt even that would be enough due to safety regulations, the only way for the Kop to go is higher and steeper with all safe standing.
The Kop looks more doable than SKD. Buy out some properties across from the Kop - and span the Walton Breck Road, moving the road into a tunnel.
The houses on Skerries road are interesting. I looked up in the land registry to check tenure and they're mostly freehold but a few of the houses on the even numbered side away from the stadium are leasehold (about 14 to 26 or something like that). I didn't go farther than that because if you want to actually look up the owner, title number and mortgage, and what the covenants and easements actually are, you have to pay £3 per property for a report with all that information (I assume that's a new fee or something, seems like they're charging for anything that isn't nailed down these days). So I suspect they're not owned by the council or by LFC.
No way will they ever release Walton Breck Road for development.
Great video Nick 🍻
If they do eventually manage to expand the Kenny Dalgleish where do they house all the ST holder during the construction work ?
They dont, they dont lose seats if they do it the way they have with the Main stand and Anny
Look at the North stand at Celtic Park to see how a large stand could be built in a limited space.
I think the Kop end might be the easiest to upgrade, because its already larger than the SKD stand.
The villa park Trinity Road stand was built over a main road whereby the road continues underneath but the stand overlaps on to the road which caters for both- traffic flows interrupted and the stand is expanded
yeah but there wasn't a church in the way and that road isn't angled.
Fulham built an impressive stand on very little land,but your right doesn’t look a lot of land on sir Kenny stand
The Kop could be demolished and rebuilt with a much steeper stand however I don’t think there’s much chance the SKD stand will be extended with more seats I think it could be extended further into the car park and improve the match day and corporate facilities and it could also be cladded to match the Main Stand and Anfield Road Stand.
Excellent update as always. Regarding further expansion, I think it's a case of 1, can they expand further?
2, will they expand further?
I've heard different rumours. I think they will definitely have to buy at least one row of houses on Skerries Road which is a possibility. If so I reckon it could take the capacity to around 70.000 (Anfield Road End included) which would be great. As long as the people living there are looked after and get good money. Difficult situation in that regard. It is their homes after all.
I've read different things regarding The Kop. The properties across the road are not in use from what I've heard and could be bought by the club and realign the road similar to the Anfield Road end. Not sure if the church is still in use but it can certainly be done or some have suggested a tunnel going under the stand which I believe Villa Park has in one stand.
I'd be more than happy for the SKD stand to be expanded taking Anfield to around 70.000 but one of the biggest controversies which has been suggested is making the Kop End a two tier stand which is an absolute no, no IMO.
The Kop is special and one of the reasons for that is because it is one big stand. I want Anfield as big as possible but I'd rather the Kop remain as it is rather than having another tier even if it did mean having an extra 6 or 7 thousand seats. Ideally the Kop can be extended without a tier above with something similar to Spurs or Dortmund with a bigger single tier stand. Someone on one of the forums recently said that they spoke to people working at the stadium and apparently they definitely have plans to further expand so it could be a case of watch this space. Think it would be a fair few years down the line though.
Yes agree the kop must remain single tier however they develop it.
The tunnel solution seems like the way forward. The church could surely be relocated, it’s not exactly an architectural masterpiece and it’s not like churches aren’t sold and relocated either, many get converted into houses these days or just left to rot like in toxteth.
I’d like to see them redevelop the kop next.
SKD stand has further issues. The seating is very tightly packed and wouldn’t pass todays standards. So even if they kept that bottom tier, they’d lose some capacity from the top tier before gaining it again through the rebuild, making the cost per seat calculation a bit higher than you’d expect. So I think that would be a longer wait and probably for the next owners of the club to tackle.
@@LFCliid agree with you. The biggest fear I have is the thought of building an upper tier on the Kop. It currently holds just under 12.400.
I'd be happy if they could extend it to 15.000 or slightly above that. It would take the capacity to over 63.000 which would be great.
The SKD stand would have a lot of issues to overcome. Don't want to sound negative but I just can't see it happening anytime soon however there are rumours something may happen further down the line so fingers crossed.
I've always wanted to see Anfield with a capacity of 70.000 or above and if both the Kop and the SKD stand do get expanded it would be amazing. For now I'm delighted with the main stand and Anfield Road expansions.
All they have to do with the Dalglish stand is add another tier build upwards not backwards it would overhang the car park like the kop did when they added to it.
Dont think the road is much of an issue it can go under. However the two pubs near the KOP end could be if they are protected buildings. It is now a lot harder to by a pub and repurpose it as well. I think the houses for the KD stand would be gone at the cost of an average Liverpool player.
i think there is enough space to redevelop KK stand. they will probably build an underground car park over a new stand. my only concern is getting people in and out of there quickly if the houses remain
Put the A road in a tunnel/Bridge kind of system and build over it. Sir Kenny Daglish stand could be last. If so, Liverpool will get plenty of time to make a deal with the people living there, If it's posible. I don't understand why they want to "Fix" Anfield if there is no way they can re build all 4 stands. It does not make sence to me.
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Nothings difficult if you have the money, but Liverpool owners are businessesmen and it has to make sense financially that's why they waited between developments. Would be a long time ten to fifteen year before they would look at further development.
Without a rail station in the vicinity there will be no expansion past 62000. City Council stated this previous planning application.
The kop should be next & done in the same way as the main & annie rd stands as the SKD stand would actually not look so out of place if the other 3 sides were the same build.but as explained in the video the kop redevelopment is the biggest problem with the rd & the park pub who will want mega money
It might come down to return on investment being just as big an issue as logistics…. The Kop already holds 13000 and the largest feasible behind Goal stand that we will have will be the 2 tired ARE at 15950, that’s only 3000 more than the current Kop, even if we managed to build a Single tiered monster Kop of say 17000 to match Tottenhams, that’s still only 4000 more than current, so really the £100m wouldn’t be for a 17k stand but the RoI would be only on 4k!!!!, something similar with the SKD stand, it holds almost 12k and to replicate the Main Stand would be a £120m investment for only 8k seats. Therefore a £200m investment would equate to only a 12k capacity increase in Anfield. No one on earth would pay that out for 12k seat increase, especially not FSG!!
The Stanley Park plans originated in 2002. Just shows how far behind we are.
Surely regardless of whether they upgrade the kds and kop they will need to do something with the roofs on both stands so they blend in with the two modern stands?
I'd say no until the access problems get dealt with. Inner Liverpool desperately needs better rail and bus in general, but it's hard to deliver economically with a large enough customer base because of the way the council in the early to mid 1980s reduced the density of the city and effectively suburbanized it with semi-detached houses rather than the kind of mid-rise blocks of owner-occupied or market-rate rental flats you often see in redeveloped areas in US cities and in London. This happened especially in areas between Anfield and the river like Vauxhall and then of course the three bedroom semi thing is one Militant policy that was popular with subsequent councils and they kept doing it. One of those things of being careful what you wish for.
WBR would need to be straightened (remove the kink) in order for the KOP to be made bigger. SKD is tricky. Those houses behind are moslty occupied. The road or 2 behind the old Main stand were run down and in need of demolition. Would a full road of properties really want to sell and leave? I doubt it
FSG should have bought the house around anfield once they made decision to stay at anfield 10 years ago since now the cost to do that or in the future already rise rapidly...
The club must think at some point the Sir Kenny stand can be done if you look at the new Anfield road stand roof at both ends they are done exactly the same. If they weren't thinking about the Sir Kenny being possible then the roof at that end you would think would of been done more to suit the merge into current stand however it would merge more with a similar roof to the main and Anfield road new roof. Yes I think you are talking years down the line that's more than obvious as highlighted I'm this video the issues involved however they are far from impossible. Personally I would prefer the Kop done next the buildings at the back can easily be persuaded if suitable offers made in re location of church etc and the road only needs to move back at a less steep angle as currently is these things are far from impossible and I'm pretty confident at least one of the stands will be starting the next faze in next 5-6 years.
The problem with redeveloping kop and skd is houses main road and the pub at kop end
In my capital city we got rid of the busiest main road running through the city to make it a pedestrian walkway. Dont see why the Kop cant be expanded. People can drive an alternate route.
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I suggest that we switch the kop to the other end for a short term because you’re looking at another 10/15 years before anything else happens unfortunately.A few of the houses Have been bought by LFC already.
I wonder if you could put Walton breck road into a tunnel underneath the kop, or maybe even above ground running through the stand
From what I remember reading years ago. Liverpool bought, owned the houses on Skerris road that back on to the SKD stand. There was another road, closer, which they bought roughly where car park is. For many years there was one house in that road that had two old ladies living in it. They refused to sell for years.
Once LFC bought that house they built SKD stand. They then decided to sell the row of houses in Skerris road very cheaply!!!
Hindsight is a good thing... Back then they were satisfied with what we currently have SKD stand.
Anfield road - copy the Mancs build a tunnel for the road.
Yes your right lfc once owned the houses in Skerries Rd. They was empty for a few years .
From memory RP sold the whole row of houses for a pound :(
@@cjsnowdon That's what I thought £1
@@paulmcleod8983 I thought they handed the houses over to a housing association for a pound! Hopefully under the t&cs of the conditions, it gave LFC rights to retain the interest over the houses
I do think 61k is good for a good few years mind
I thought the SKD stand was 2 tier as in 1992 they added a second tier because it was previously called the centenary stand
Mr Drone please excuse my comment for using the word shite but your videos are normally the best around but another group showed the other day how easy it would he to increase the Kop, the Kenny Dalglish Stand is another matter totally but once again perhaps they could just increase in height and then make the seating as steep as everywhere else that would along with the kop take it up to about 72,000
I think the only option would be to work with local councils regarding public transport and local area regeneration. Sir kenny Dalglish stand doesn't need to be as wide as the main stand( due to this stand holding the players areas, press offices etc). But maybe right of light will mean the club will need to purchase the first set of houses ( however the cost compared to the overall project will not be crazy) i think you are talking 20 houses, so probably an investment of 6 to 10m( if people sell). Also the cost,,, would be easy . They recently sold about 3% of the club for over 100m, do the same and it will cover sir kenny stand.. With other clubs raising capacity and profiles to stay competitive and sustainable the club will need to increase revenues.
First, it's a cost issue. Would the expense of acquiring the real estate and constructing new stands be recouped in a reasonable time? I think it would have been wiser to go the Everton route and to have constructed a new stadium at a new site.